Re: Smart refrigerators

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Well, Simon, I guess when it comes right down to it, there's nothing
like personalized human assistance--especially if they're paid well
enough so you can get away with being grumpy sometimes! 

Frankly, and in all candor, I'm not convinced that the self-service
world we is much of an improvement.I prefer humans to apps for many
things. But, come to think of it, not all things. I guess my screen
reader does a better job of reading my mail.

So, there I go, ambivalent again!

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Actually Janina,
> 
> The first one was a trick,
> 
> I'm gluten free so I can't drink beer.
> 
>  But cyder is an option,
> But no it's still not good enough,
> 
> I'll have to find myself a small servant person to do everything I don't want 
> to do.
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 August 2018 1:58 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Smart refrigerators
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
> > Hang on,
> > 
> >  A smart refrigerator?
> > 
> >  Really?
> > 
> >  Does it open the beer bottle before it hands it to you?
> > 
> No. No little robots hanging around performing tasks we use our hands and 
> some kind of tool to perform. 
> >  Will it know when to thor out my frozen chicken before I go to cook it?
> > 
> Yes. If the expiration date is tagged in machine readable form, which is the 
> idea, then yes. Note that it can only tell you the chicken "use by"
> date has passed. You still have to do the tossing yourself.
> 
> > And the really important question, will it know if I put a bottle of red 
> > wine in the fridge that it should only be kept at room temp?
> > 
> 
> Yes, I can see this use case being met as well, though I expect this will 
> come in version 2.0
> 
> > If it can't do those things then its not smart enough for me.
> > 
> 
> So, how do you feel about 2 out of 3?
> 
> Janina
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > 
> > Sent: Sunday, 19 August 2018 8:21 AM
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> > Cc: viph...@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Smart refrigerators
> > 
> > Hi, Sarai:
> > 
> > I have no personal experience. However, I have been on LG's Accessibility 
> > Acvisory Committee for quite a few years, and I can report they 
> > demonstrated their smart refridgerator to one of our meetings. I haven, 
> > however, not personally tried to use the app.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Sarai Bucciarelli writes:
> > > Hi all:
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > My fridge crashed. I was looking at the smart fridges. Anyone have 
> > > one? Are the apps accessible?
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Sarai D Bucciarelli  
> > > www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
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Re: Routers

[Patricia Solis]

Hi, I know that with the apple AirPort Extreme I can have a guess network. Is 
that save enough though?  I mean can I get a virus if they get into something 
they are not suppose too? I always worry about that. Maybe  they are dumb 
questions  but I guess it don’t hurt to ask since I know  there lots of you 
that know more  than me!! :)

Would I be better off with a VPN  or just create a guessnetwork?




> On Aug 22, 2018, at 1:15 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hang on,
> 
> So you have family over at the weekend and there is a lot of them using your 
> network so you wish to have your network blocking them from being able to use 
> it
> But still allow them to use wifi in your house?
> 
> That's not vpn 
> You want to split or segment your network so that your side of things are 
> secure and not able to be accessed.
> 
> Is that correct
> 
> If so then a lot of the newer model devices including the apple network 
> access points / routers have Guest network abilities so that you can setup a 
> guest network that stops people accessing your main network but still get 
> internet access.
> 
> No extra costs to setup things you don't need.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Patricia Solis
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 August 2018 7:10 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Routers
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Mark your probably right, since all this is very confusing to me. The only 
> reason  I am trying to run a VPN is because  on weekends  there is always 
> family using my wifi and I will feel better  if I am secured. I do not know 
> anyone  that can help me with this so will probably have to pay someone. 
> Although, I am more inclined into buying a Mesh router and like you said have 
> guess account and have more control over it. Thanks everyone for their 
> suggestions.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 20, 2018, at 10:35 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Patricia,
>> 
>> My best advice to you is to find someone you know, locally, who has a router 
>> setup and seek their advice.  I say this because, these kinds of issues can 
>> be a little tricky and I find it best when one has in-person support to help 
>> do the proverbial lifting.  
>> 
>> Router setups are somewhat personal.  For example, I use three routers in a 
>> nested configuration; a secure network inside of a secure network.  I do 
>> this so that guests do not have access to my home network while having 
>> access to the internet.  While many routers do offer dual band networks 
>> bands and channels, along with guest access, I prefer a more secure 
>> connectivity profile in which I control every aspect of the system.  Also, I 
>> can easily change the password of the guest / sub-router without worrying 
>> about breaking primary device connectivity.  In many instances, I only turn 
>> on the guest network when beta testing un-verified profiles/software or when 
>> I have visitors or when repairing unknown computers.  It is a very, very 
>> nice setup that I prefer.  
>> 
>> So, if you have a neighbor, relative, or friend that you trust, discuss your 
>> options with her/him for he/she can help you not only setup your new network 
>> but, also, help you handle any unforeseen problems.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Patricia Solis
>> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 3:11 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Routers
>> 
>> Hello, need some advice on buying a router. I currently have an AirPort 
>> Extreme and a apple airport express to bridge my connection. My problem is 
>> trying to run a VPN , in which  I think I can not run it with a apple 
>> router. Most of the times I am running about 12 wireless connections. But 
>> during the weekend its more  like 20 wireless connections because of family 
>> visiting! :) Anyways, so i want something with a strong connection and be 
>> able to connect to a property  that is 60 by 170 square feet.  so, what type 
>> of router should I get? I hear that the mesh routers are good or I have also 
>> read I would be able to keep the ones i currently have IfI  bought a dual/ 
>> flash router?  Any advice would be very helpful. Hopefully, it can be one 
>> that is not so  complicated. ONe  reason I really liked the apple routers 
>> because of their simplicity. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Routers

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,

I don’t pay as much attention to network technology as I used to, but I 
remember some words about 6 - 12 months ago that a fix was coming for reducing 
the ability for clients of a wireless base station from stealing traffic. My 
faint recall was that even if there was no security set for the network, it 
would still encrypt traffic between the base station and the client device and 
would include protocols to randomize items that might make hacking easier. 

There is a new update to the Take control book on Wireless networks that I am 
sure lists all the current technology, and if you are being cheep, I expect you 
can even find it on bookshare instead of spending the small purchase price.

Sorry, I am being long winded for not giving you much of an answer.
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 
> On Aug 22, 2018, at 4:03 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan,
> 
> Are you meaning AD 
> I've seen a few devices coming out with it and wondered if it had been 
> ratified already.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 August 2018 1:58 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Routers
> 
> I would suggest delaying purchasing new network equipment as my understanding 
> is that a new 802.11 standard is being finalized. That being said, most of 
> the press I have read about mesh networks says they are easy to set up and 
> add new routers to the mesh as space requires with the only major issue being 
> that each vendor has its own protocol for maintaining the mesh so you get 
> stuck with that vendor unless you swap out the entire network. 
> 
> In terms of VPN, you might have an issue of double NATTING, this can prevent 
> VPN software from working. Generally these days you need to allow your ISP to 
> allocate your private address space and not attempt to have your Airport 
> router do this. That could be an issue if your ISP limits the number of 
> active devices allowed on your account. If you are using smart devices you 
> also might want to set up a separate LAN at your house that has no real 
> Internet access to reduce chances of hacking. 
> 
> Hope this gives you some ideas.
> 
>> On Aug 19, 2018, at 9:54 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> 
>> Actually, the Airport devices can handle VPN just fine and I created one on 
>> my home airport network quite easily. That being said, the mesh devices are 
>> very slick. 
>> 
>> Later... 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 19, 2018, at 7:14 PM, jeff `greene  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Patricia,
>>> I just got a Gryphon Unhackable Mesh Router from amazon. Its pretty amazing 
>>> and fast! You set it up through an iphone app. There are a few unlabeled 
>>> buttons in the app but it works really well. With these Gryphon routers you 
>>> can buy as many as you need.
>>> HTH Jeff
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 19, 2018, at 6:10 PM, Patricia Solis  
 wrote:
 
 Hello, need some advice on buying a router. I currently have an AirPort 
 Extreme and a apple airport express to bridge my connection. My problem is 
 trying to run a VPN , in which  I think I can not run it with a apple 
 router. Most of the times I am running about 12 wireless connections. But 
 during the weekend its more  like 20 wireless connections because of 
 family visiting! :) Anyways, so i want something with a strong connection 
 and be able to connect to a property  that is 60 by 170 square feet.  so, 
 what type of router should I get? I hear that the mesh routers are good or 
 I have also read I would be able to keep the ones i currently have IfI  
 bought a dual/ flash router?  Any advice would be very helpful. Hopefully, 
 it can be one that is not so  complicated. ONe  reason I really liked the 
 apple routers because of their simplicity. 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Urgent help needed. How do I disable voiceover keys locked.

[matthew dyer]

Hi,


VO+; should do the trick.  Its a toggle.


Matthew



On 8/22/18 7:52 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
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> Sent from my iPhone hi all, I was typing an email message and I heard the 
> message on voiceover say control option lock. Figured out that my voiceover 
> keys are locked on. Mac rendered completely unusable, at least to me. How do 
> I turn this off?
> Thanks,
> Donna
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Re: Trying to test Astreos:

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I actually had the same problem.
I have had so much to do these days i’ve forgot it.
Thanks a bunch.
/A

> 20 aug. 2018 kl. 19:34 skrev Sharon Hooley :
> 
> Hello Yuma,
> 
> I was going to test the Astreos app now, but the code has expired.  I didn’t 
> realize how soon it would be gone.  If you’re still testing, can you please 
> send me another?  I apologize and understand if you are finished.
> 
> Thanks again for the opportunity.
> 
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Re: Urgent help needed. How do I disable voiceover keys locked.

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thank you!  I never use that feature!
Cheers,
Donna

> On Aug 22, 2018, at 6:56 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> you use vo+;
> 
> On Aug 22, 2018, at 7:52 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone hi all, I was typing an email message and I heard the 
> message on voiceover say control option lock. Figured out that my voiceover 
> keys are locked on. Mac rendered completely unusable, at least to me. How do 
> I turn this off?
> Thanks,
> Donna
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Re: Urgent help needed. How do I disable voiceover keys locked.

[alia robinson]

you use vo+;

On Aug 22, 2018, at 7:52 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:



Sent from my iPhone hi all, I was typing an email message and I heard the 
message on voiceover say control option lock. Figured out that my voiceover 
keys are locked on. Mac rendered completely unusable, at least to me. How do I 
turn this off?
Thanks,
Donna

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Urgent help needed. How do I disable voiceover keys locked.

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Sent from my iPhone hi all, I was typing an email message and I heard the 
message on voiceover say control option lock. Figured out that my voiceover 
keys are locked on. Mac rendered completely unusable, at least to me. How do I 
turn this off?
Thanks,
Donna

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Adding another language without VO going nuts

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi all,
I want to add an english keyboard layout to my Mac, but i want it to be below 
the Swedish keyboard layout in the layouts table. The reason is that if i only 
add the keyboard layout and it goes above the Swedish keyboard layout, 
Voiceover starts to speak swenglish, that is some words are in Swedish while 
others are in English and i find that very annoying. 
Can someone tell me how to do this if it is at all possible?
/Krister

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RE: Routers

[Simon Fogarty]

Hang on,

 So you have family over at the weekend and there is a lot of them using your 
network so you wish to have your network blocking them from being able to use it
But still allow them to use wifi in your house?

 That's not vpn 
You want to split or segment your network so that your side of things are 
secure and not able to be accessed.

Is that correct

If so then a lot of the newer model devices including the apple network access 
points / routers have Guest network abilities so that you can setup a guest 
network that stops people accessing your main network but still get internet 
access.

 No extra costs to setup things you don't need.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Patricia Solis
Sent: Tuesday, 21 August 2018 7:10 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Routers

Hello,

Mark your probably right, since all this is very confusing to me. The only 
reason  I am trying to run a VPN is because  on weekends  there is always 
family using my wifi and I will feel better  if I am secured. I do not know 
anyone  that can help me with this so will probably have to pay someone. 
Although, I am more inclined into buying a Mesh router and like you said have 
guess account and have more control over it. Thanks everyone for their 
suggestions.




> On Aug 20, 2018, at 10:35 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Patricia,
> 
> My best advice to you is to find someone you know, locally, who has a router 
> setup and seek their advice.  I say this because, these kinds of issues can 
> be a little tricky and I find it best when one has in-person support to help 
> do the proverbial lifting.  
> 
> Router setups are somewhat personal.  For example, I use three routers in a 
> nested configuration; a secure network inside of a secure network.  I do this 
> so that guests do not have access to my home network while having access to 
> the internet.  While many routers do offer dual band networks bands and 
> channels, along with guest access, I prefer a more secure connectivity 
> profile in which I control every aspect of the system.  Also, I can easily 
> change the password of the guest / sub-router without worrying about breaking 
> primary device connectivity.  In many instances, I only turn on the guest 
> network when beta testing un-verified profiles/software or when I have 
> visitors or when repairing unknown computers.  It is a very, very nice setup 
> that I prefer.  
> 
> So, if you have a neighbor, relative, or friend that you trust, discuss your 
> options with her/him for he/she can help you not only setup your new network 
> but, also, help you handle any unforeseen problems.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Patricia Solis
> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 3:11 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Routers
> 
> Hello, need some advice on buying a router. I currently have an AirPort 
> Extreme and a apple airport express to bridge my connection. My problem is 
> trying to run a VPN , in which  I think I can not run it with a apple router. 
> Most of the times I am running about 12 wireless connections. But during the 
> weekend its more  like 20 wireless connections because of family visiting! :) 
> Anyways, so i want something with a strong connection and be able to connect 
> to a property  that is 60 by 170 square feet.  so, what type of router should 
> I get? I hear that the mesh routers are good or I have also read I would be 
> able to keep the ones i currently have IfI  bought a dual/ flash router?  Any 
> advice would be very helpful. Hopefully, it can be one that is not so  
> complicated. ONe  reason I really liked the apple routers because of their 
> simplicity. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Routers

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Jonathan,

Are you meaning AD 
I've seen a few devices coming out with it and wondered if it had been ratified 
already.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Tuesday, 21 August 2018 1:58 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Routers

I would suggest delaying purchasing new network equipment as my understanding 
is that a new 802.11 standard is being finalized. That being said, most of the 
press I have read about mesh networks says they are easy to set up and add new 
routers to the mesh as space requires with the only major issue being that each 
vendor has its own protocol for maintaining the mesh so you get stuck with that 
vendor unless you swap out the entire network. 

In terms of VPN, you might have an issue of double NATTING, this can prevent 
VPN software from working. Generally these days you need to allow your ISP to 
allocate your private address space and not attempt to have your Airport router 
do this. That could be an issue if your ISP limits the number of active devices 
allowed on your account. If you are using smart devices you also might want to 
set up a separate LAN at your house that has no real Internet access to reduce 
chances of hacking. 

Hope this gives you some ideas.

> On Aug 19, 2018, at 9:54 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> Actually, the Airport devices can handle VPN just fine and I created one on 
> my home airport network quite easily. That being said, the mesh devices are 
> very slick. 
> 
> Later... 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 19, 2018, at 7:14 PM, jeff `greene  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Patricia,
>> I just got a Gryphon Unhackable Mesh Router from amazon. Its pretty amazing 
>> and fast! You set it up through an iphone app. There are a few unlabeled 
>> buttons in the app but it works really well. With these Gryphon routers you 
>> can buy as many as you need.
>> HTH Jeff
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 19, 2018, at 6:10 PM, Patricia Solis  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, need some advice on buying a router. I currently have an AirPort 
>>> Extreme and a apple airport express to bridge my connection. My problem is 
>>> trying to run a VPN , in which  I think I can not run it with a apple 
>>> router. Most of the times I am running about 12 wireless connections. But 
>>> during the weekend its more  like 20 wireless connections because of family 
>>> visiting! :) Anyways, so i want something with a strong connection and be 
>>> able to connect to a property  that is 60 by 170 square feet.  so, what 
>>> type of router should I get? I hear that the mesh routers are good or I 
>>> have also read I would be able to keep the ones i currently have IfI  
>>> bought a dual/ flash router?  Any advice would be very helpful. Hopefully, 
>>> it can be one that is not so  complicated. ONe  reason I really liked the 
>>> apple routers because of their simplicity. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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RE: Smart refrigerators

[Simon Fogarty]

Actually Janina,

The first one was a trick,

I'm gluten free so I can't drink beer.

 But cyder is an option,
But no it's still not good enough,

I'll have to find myself a small servant person to do everything I don't want 
to do.
-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, 21 August 2018 1:58 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Smart refrigerators

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hang on,
> 
>  A smart refrigerator?
> 
>  Really?
> 
>  Does it open the beer bottle before it hands it to you?
> 
No. No little robots hanging around performing tasks we use our hands and some 
kind of tool to perform. 
>  Will it know when to thor out my frozen chicken before I go to cook it?
> 
Yes. If the expiration date is tagged in machine readable form, which is the 
idea, then yes. Note that it can only tell you the chicken "use by"
date has passed. You still have to do the tossing yourself.

> And the really important question, will it know if I put a bottle of red wine 
> in the fridge that it should only be kept at room temp?
> 

Yes, I can see this use case being met as well, though I expect this will come 
in version 2.0

> If it can't do those things then its not smart enough for me.
> 

So, how do you feel about 2 out of 3?

Janina

> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Sent: Sunday, 19 August 2018 8:21 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Cc: viph...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Smart refrigerators
> 
> Hi, Sarai:
> 
> I have no personal experience. However, I have been on LG's Accessibility 
> Acvisory Committee for quite a few years, and I can report they demonstrated 
> their smart refridgerator to one of our meetings. I haven, however, not 
> personally tried to use the app.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Sarai Bucciarelli writes:
> > Hi all:
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > My fridge crashed. I was looking at the smart fridges. Anyone have 
> > one? Are the apps accessible?
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Sarai D Bucciarelli  
> > www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
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