Getting a voice dream reader library on to a new device

[Mary Otten]

Hi all,
In the past, I have had significant issues with the cloud back up feature of 
voice dream reader, resulting twice in the loss of a substantial library books. 
I now have my library on my voice dream reader on my iPhone 7 Plus. I am 
strongly considering purchasing one of the new iPhones, but I don’t want to get 
rid of my 7+. It would replace my very aging iPad mini 2. So what I am curious 
about is whether anyone has successfully managed to get a large voice dream 
library onto a new device without screwing it up on the old device. And without 
using iTunes.
Mary


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Re: no new macs

[Raymond Foret Jr]

Don’t count on another event.  Not so soon after.  Remember Apple has pulled 
this before where they had no event but put out new lap tops.  I think we can 
look forward to big online announcements but no new event:  At least, I doubt 
it.

Now, when they come out with the 18 core iMacs, then they’ll most likely role 
out an event.  After all, they made a pretty big thing of that two years ago.


Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 7:05 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I suspect there is going to be another event, possibly next month for things 
> like iPads and Max. Don’t write it off because it wasn’t at the iPhone event.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> mac mini and a new laptop to replace the macbook air but that appears not to 
>> be the case, Apple's announcement included the 3 new iphones and the new 
>> Apple watch, I plan on getting a Macbook Air and new mac mini later this 
>> year.
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RE: no new macs

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeha this was about the personal devices,
The watch and phone,
They still have the mac computers and iPads which have had a number of rumoured 
releases this year but still nothing has arrived.

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I hope you're right, I guess time will tell.

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 7:04 PM, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
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> Not quite so fast friend.  Apple may decide to role out new Macs as just a 
> simple announcement instead of a huge event.  Remember, we’re still awaiting 
> those new eighteen core machines.
> 
> 
> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
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> Sincerely,
> 
> The constantly barefooted Ray
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>> mac mini and a new laptop to replace the macbook air but that appears not to 
>> be the case, Apple's announcement included the 3 new iphones and the new 
>> Apple watch, I plan on getting a Macbook Air and new mac mini later this 
>> year.
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Re: Voiceover Rotor to adjust speed and language

['Alex Hall' via MacVisionaries]

Simply add the shift key. Apple made the old verbosity rotor keystrokes into a 
quick-access navigation rotor, and moved the verbosity settings to the old 
keystrokes with the shift key added on. Thus, you want vo-shift-cmd-arrows, not 
just vo-cmd-arrows.

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> On Sep 12, 2018, at 21:59, Ibraheem Fakir  wrote:
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> Hi list,
> 
> Hope all are well. I recall in previous builds of OSX I could easily adjust 
> Voiceover's speed, pitch, volume and  even switch VO voices from the rotor. 
> The key combination, control + option + command + right or left arrows use to 
> do the trick. Then I would use control + option + command + up or down arrows 
> to make my adjustments after navigating to the category of interest.  Is 
> there  a way to quickly do something like this in High Sierra? When I press 
> the before mentioned key combination in Finder,  I get the options for 
> navigation, characters, and words.
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> Any help would be much appreciated. Thank you for your ideas.
> 
> All best,
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Voiceover Rotor to adjust speed and language

[Ibraheem Fakir]

Hi list,

Hope all are well. I recall in previous builds of OSX I could easily adjust 
Voiceover's speed, pitch, volume and  even switch VO voices from the rotor. The 
key combination, control + option + command + right or left arrows use to do 
the trick. Then I would use control + option + command + up or down arrows to 
make my adjustments after navigating to the category of interest.  Is there  a 
way to quickly do something like this in High Sierra? When I press the before 
mentioned key combination in Finder,  I get the options for navigation, 
characters, and words.

Any help would be much appreciated. Thank you for your ideas.

All best,
Ibraheem

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Re: no new macs

[Mike Arrigo]

I hope you're right, I guess time will tell.

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 7:04 PM, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Not quite so fast friend.  Apple may decide to role out new Macs as just a 
> simple announcement instead of a huge event.  Remember, we’re still awaiting 
> those new eighteen core machines.
> 
> 
> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> The constantly barefooted Ray
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> Looks like there will not be any new macs, I know there were rumors of a new 
>> mac mini and a new laptop to replace the macbook air but that appears not to 
>> be the case, Apple's announcement included the 3 new iphones and the new 
>> Apple watch, I plan on getting a Macbook Air and new mac mini later this 
>> year.
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Open with...

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   I finally got around to getting the old Juliet Classic embosser to 
work with DBT for Mac. Something I wish to bring up, and its probably 
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   Generally, one can set the default application for opening a 
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when the dialog came up to select an application, DBT was dimmed. So I 
had to open DBT first and use the Cmd O option to open the desired 
document. Anyone seen this before and is there a fix or work around? Thanks.


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Re: no new macs

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who knows? they may have another event in October like they did in 2016? 

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 8:04 PM, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Not quite so fast friend.  Apple may decide to role out new Macs as just a 
> simple announcement instead of a huge event.  Remember, we’re still awaiting 
> those new eighteen core machines.
> 
> 
> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
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> Sincerely,
> 
> The constantly barefooted Ray
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> Looks like there will not be any new macs, I know there were rumors of a new 
>> mac mini and a new laptop to replace the macbook air but that appears not to 
>> be the case, Apple's announcement included the 3 new iphones and the new 
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Re: no new macs

[Mary Otten]

I suspect there is going to be another event, possibly next month for things 
like iPads and Max. Don’t write it off because it wasn’t at the iPhone event.


Sent from my iPhone

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Re: no new macs

[Raymond Foret Jr]

Not quite so fast friend.  Apple may decide to role out new Macs as just a 
simple announcement instead of a huge event.  Remember, we’re still awaiting 
those new eighteen core machines.


Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Looks like there will not be any new macs, I know there were rumors of a new 
> mac mini and a new laptop to replace the macbook air but that appears not to 
> be the case, Apple's announcement included the 3 new iphones and the new 
> Apple watch, I plan on getting a Macbook Air and new mac mini later this year.
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no new macs

[Mike Arrigo]

Looks like there will not be any new macs, I know there were rumors of a new 
mac mini and a new laptop to replace the macbook air but that appears not to be 
the case, Apple's announcement included the 3 new iphones and the new Apple 
watch, I plan on getting a Macbook Air and new mac mini later this year.

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Re: Frustrating google docs problem.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I havent tried safari for this purpose.
All other students in this class uses chrome and since this browser is quite 
accessible from start i didn’t think of safari.
Will try this solution too.
/A

> 12 sep. 2018 kl. 17:09 skrev 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Normally, I can read Google Docs by opening them in Safari or Chrome, usually 
> Safari, then just using arrow key navigation.  That is, no VO keys.  Just 
> arrow down to read line by line, arrow right for letter by letter, option 
> right/left for word by word.  If you start arrowing too quickly before the 
> page has completely loaded, press cmd-r to reload the page, wait for the 
> sound that indicates that the page has loaded then arrow.  If that doesn't 
> work, you may need to press the Turn on More Accessible Mode button thing.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Best.
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 12, 2018, at 08:48, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I am taking a distance bible course and they’re using google classroom for a 
> reason i don’t know.
> Well i just stumbled upon a very frustrating accessibility issue.
> I can’t read the google documents neither on mac or windows.
> BUt i can with my Android phone.
> But since braille is so poor on android i would have prefered to read it on 
> my mac.
> I haven’t tried with my Ipad mini 4 yet or my iphone se.
> BUt its very frustrating and i wonder if there’s a sollution to this problem.
> Is there any app that can read the google document for me on mac or maybe 
> windows?
> Sorry if this is somewhat off topic.
> /A
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Re: Frustrating google docs problem.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Ok, yes i think i saw something about that.
I will check this later tonight.
Thanks for your help.
/A

> 12 sep. 2018 kl. 17:08 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Anders,
> 
> You may know this already, but there's a toggle to activate screen reader 
> accessibility.  I access it by VO-arrowing to the left from the document.  
> Make sure you have that enabled.
> HTH,
> Donna
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 9:48 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I am taking a distance bible course and they’re using google classroom for a 
>> reason i don’t know.
>> Well i just stumbled upon a very frustrating accessibility issue.
>> I can’t read the google documents neither on mac or windows.
>> BUt i can with my Android phone.
>> But since braille is so poor on android i would have prefered to read it on 
>> my mac.
>> I haven’t tried with my Ipad mini 4 yet or my iphone se.
>> BUt its very frustrating and i wonder if there’s a sollution to this problem.
>> Is there any app that can read the google document for me on mac or maybe 
>> windows?
>> Sorry if this is somewhat off topic.
>> /A
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Re: Frustrating google docs problem.

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Normally, I can read Google Docs by opening them in Safari or Chrome, usually 
Safari, then just using arrow key navigation.  That is, no VO keys.  Just arrow 
down to read line by line, arrow right for letter by letter, option right/left 
for word by word.  If you start arrowing too quickly before the page has 
completely loaded, press cmd-r to reload the page, wait for the sound that 
indicates that the page has loaded then arrow.  If that doesn't work, you may 
need to press the Turn on More Accessible Mode button thing.

HTH.

Best.

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 12, 2018, at 08:48, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
I am taking a distance bible course and they’re using google classroom for a 
reason i don’t know.
Well i just stumbled upon a very frustrating accessibility issue.
I can’t read the google documents neither on mac or windows.
BUt i can with my Android phone.
But since braille is so poor on android i would have prefered to read it on my 
mac.
I haven’t tried with my Ipad mini 4 yet or my iphone se.
BUt its very frustrating and i wonder if there’s a sollution to this problem.
Is there any app that can read the google document for me on mac or maybe 
windows?
Sorry if this is somewhat off topic.
/A

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Re: Frustrating google docs problem.

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Anders,

You may know this already, but there's a toggle to activate screen reader 
accessibility.  I access it by VO-arrowing to the left from the document.  Make 
sure you have that enabled.
HTH,
Donna

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 9:48 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I am taking a distance bible course and they’re using google classroom for a 
> reason i don’t know.
> Well i just stumbled upon a very frustrating accessibility issue.
> I can’t read the google documents neither on mac or windows.
> BUt i can with my Android phone.
> But since braille is so poor on android i would have prefered to read it on 
> my mac.
> I haven’t tried with my Ipad mini 4 yet or my iphone se.
> BUt its very frustrating and i wonder if there’s a sollution to this problem.
> Is there any app that can read the google document for me on mac or maybe 
> windows?
> Sorry if this is somewhat off topic.
> /A
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Frustrating google docs problem.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I am taking a distance bible course and they’re using google classroom for a 
reason i don’t know.
Well i just stumbled upon a very frustrating accessibility issue.
I can’t read the google documents neither on mac or windows.
BUt i can with my Android phone.
But since braille is so poor on android i would have prefered to read it on my 
mac.
I haven’t tried with my Ipad mini 4 yet or my iphone se.
BUt its very frustrating and i wonder if there’s a sollution to this problem.
Is there any app that can read the google document for me on mac or maybe 
windows?
Sorry if this is somewhat off topic.
/A

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Re: Running Ubuntu in vmware fusion.

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,

I gave up on it two years ago and haven’t tired since. When I tried to start 
the screen reader in the linux variant you mention, it just beeped and then 
nothing else happened. Though I have to say I haven’t used Linux since the 
ability to read the screen left me. 

Sorry for the bad phrasing there, but in any case I would love a step by step 
from  somebody on getting a Linux environment speaking within a Macintosh VM.

> On Sep 11, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> HI!
> I have a small problem when i run ubuntu in vmware fusion.
> I can not toggle between the graphical environment and the text consoles in 
> Ubuntu.
> And there seems to be no sollution for it.
> I have tried to search on google for a sollution but only found one for 
> vmware workstation.
> So if someone is using linux with vmware fusion i would like to have some 
> help.
> Thanks in advance.
> /A
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Re: Reading.

[Jonathan Cohn]

Well, I generally have been using the IOS version also, but tried reading 4 
pages continuously of the python 3.4 tutorial and did not notice any 
significant issues. I paused the reading before it stopped since I was getting 
confused by a few pieces of syntax. I have also read tidbits books in the past 
using iBooks, but I can’t remember if they were on the IOS or computer version. 
Certainly the read all functionality of iBooks is better than the News app on 
IOS. Sometimes my news articles read smoothly but often as not, they eventually 
hit a advertisement and then skip a  paragraph or two before continuing to 
read. 

Best Wishes,

Jonathan 
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> On Sep 11, 2018, at 3:53 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
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> Anders, I hope you haven’t forgotten to tell us the secret of iBooks, or just 
> Books as it is in Mojave. No, it hasn’t improved there either.
> 
>> On Sep 9, 2018, at 3:29 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I tell you later.
>> I haven’t done this in a while.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 9 sep. 2018 kl. 20:52 skrev 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> If you've successfully read more than a few pages, on iBooks for Mac, at a 
>>> time, as in continuous reading of a whole novel, or at least more than a 
>>> few pages, I'd love to know how you do it.
>>> 
>>> Devin Prater
>>> Assistive Technology Instructor certified by World Services for the Blind
>>> JAWS certified 
>>> 
 On Sep 9, 2018, at 9:55 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
 
 Hi!
 I don’t see where Ibooks is awful.
 For me it works for the reading i need.
 But maybe it has changed since i’ve tried it.
 /A
 
> 8 sep. 2018 kl. 19:32 skrev 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
> :
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> For now, and probably a while to come, there is no easy way of reading 
> books on the Mac. There may be a way with Learning Ally, but there is not 
> a way to read NLS books on the Mac. If you have books in the EPUB format, 
> you can use Emacspeak, with Emacs, with Novel-mode, to read them, but 
> this is a setup that will frustrate normal users, and is no real solution 
> in Apple's "it just works" way... or at least the way they were, years 
> ago. iBooks is aweful with accessibility, and has not changed even in the 
> beta versions of Mojave.
> 
> Devin Prater
> Assistive Technology Instructor certified by World Services for the Blind
> JAWS certified 
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2018, at 12:15 PM, Anita E  wrote:
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>> Hi List,What apps are available for reading books on the MacBook? Is it 
>> possible to read Learning Ally and NLS content? 
>> Thanks,
>> Anita
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Re: Reading.

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Ibooks on IOS works quite well, in my opinion.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 7:19 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> So from what i do understand you would like to have continuous reading in 
> Ibooks.
> I do admit that it is not doable .
> So you were absolutly right about that.
> I guess i mixed the experiences with anything else i’ve tried.
> But this is something we have to ask for i guess.
> Ibooks has a very klunky interface imho and i wonder if there’s an ibooks 
> alternative out there.
> Is it easier on for example on an ios device?
> I was just using braille here which is my main media.
> /A
> 
>> 11 sep. 2018 kl. 21:53 skrev 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Anders, I hope you haven’t forgotten to tell us the secret of iBooks, or 
>> just Books as it is in Mojave. No, it hasn’t improved there either.
>> 
>>> On Sep 9, 2018, at 3:29 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I tell you later.
>>> I haven’t done this in a while.
>>> /A
>>> 
 9 sep. 2018 kl. 20:52 skrev 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
 :
 
 If you've successfully read more than a few pages, on iBooks for Mac, at a 
 time, as in continuous reading of a whole novel, or at least more than a 
 few pages, I'd love to know how you do it.
 
 Devin Prater
 Assistive Technology Instructor certified by World Services for the Blind
 JAWS certified 
 
> On Sep 9, 2018, at 9:55 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I don’t see where Ibooks is awful.
> For me it works for the reading i need.
> But maybe it has changed since i’ve tried it.
> /A
> 
>> 8 sep. 2018 kl. 19:32 skrev 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> For now, and probably a while to come, there is no easy way of reading 
>> books on the Mac. There may be a way with Learning Ally, but there is 
>> not a way to read NLS books on the Mac. If you have books in the EPUB 
>> format, you can use Emacspeak, with Emacs, with Novel-mode, to read 
>> them, but this is a setup that will frustrate normal users, and is no 
>> real solution in Apple's "it just works" way... or at least the way they 
>> were, years ago. iBooks is aweful with accessibility, and has not 
>> changed even in the beta versions of Mojave.
>> 
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor certified by World Services for the Blind
>> JAWS certified 
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2018, at 12:15 PM, Anita E  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi List,What apps are available for reading books on the MacBook? Is it 
>>> possible to read Learning Ally and NLS content? 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Anita
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Reading.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
So from what i do understand you would like to have continuous reading in 
Ibooks.
I do admit that it is not doable .
So you were absolutly right about that.
I guess i mixed the experiences with anything else i’ve tried.
But this is something we have to ask for i guess.
Ibooks has a very klunky interface imho and i wonder if there’s an ibooks 
alternative out there.
Is it easier on for example on an ios device?
I was just using braille here which is my main media.
/A

> 11 sep. 2018 kl. 21:53 skrev 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Anders, I hope you haven’t forgotten to tell us the secret of iBooks, or just 
> Books as it is in Mojave. No, it hasn’t improved there either.
> 
>> On Sep 9, 2018, at 3:29 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I tell you later.
>> I haven’t done this in a while.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 9 sep. 2018 kl. 20:52 skrev 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> If you've successfully read more than a few pages, on iBooks for Mac, at a 
>>> time, as in continuous reading of a whole novel, or at least more than a 
>>> few pages, I'd love to know how you do it.
>>> 
>>> Devin Prater
>>> Assistive Technology Instructor certified by World Services for the Blind
>>> JAWS certified 
>>> 
 On Sep 9, 2018, at 9:55 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
 
 Hi!
 I don’t see where Ibooks is awful.
 For me it works for the reading i need.
 But maybe it has changed since i’ve tried it.
 /A
 
> 8 sep. 2018 kl. 19:32 skrev 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> For now, and probably a while to come, there is no easy way of reading 
> books on the Mac. There may be a way with Learning Ally, but there is not 
> a way to read NLS books on the Mac. If you have books in the EPUB format, 
> you can use Emacspeak, with Emacs, with Novel-mode, to read them, but 
> this is a setup that will frustrate normal users, and is no real solution 
> in Apple's "it just works" way... or at least the way they were, years 
> ago. iBooks is aweful with accessibility, and has not changed even in the 
> beta versions of Mojave.
> 
> Devin Prater
> Assistive Technology Instructor certified by World Services for the Blind
> JAWS certified 
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2018, at 12:15 PM, Anita E  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,What apps are available for reading books on the MacBook? Is it 
>> possible to read Learning Ally and NLS content? 
>> Thanks,
>> Anita
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Reading.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
You just reminded me.
I check it out.
/A

> 11 sep. 2018 kl. 21:53 skrev 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Anders, I hope you haven’t forgotten to tell us the secret of iBooks, or just 
> Books as it is in Mojave. No, it hasn’t improved there either.
> 
>> On Sep 9, 2018, at 3:29 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I tell you later.
>> I haven’t done this in a while.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 9 sep. 2018 kl. 20:52 skrev 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> If you've successfully read more than a few pages, on iBooks for Mac, at a 
>>> time, as in continuous reading of a whole novel, or at least more than a 
>>> few pages, I'd love to know how you do it.
>>> 
>>> Devin Prater
>>> Assistive Technology Instructor certified by World Services for the Blind
>>> JAWS certified 
>>> 
 On Sep 9, 2018, at 9:55 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
 
 Hi!
 I don’t see where Ibooks is awful.
 For me it works for the reading i need.
 But maybe it has changed since i’ve tried it.
 /A
 
> 8 sep. 2018 kl. 19:32 skrev 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> For now, and probably a while to come, there is no easy way of reading 
> books on the Mac. There may be a way with Learning Ally, but there is not 
> a way to read NLS books on the Mac. If you have books in the EPUB format, 
> you can use Emacspeak, with Emacs, with Novel-mode, to read them, but 
> this is a setup that will frustrate normal users, and is no real solution 
> in Apple's "it just works" way... or at least the way they were, years 
> ago. iBooks is aweful with accessibility, and has not changed even in the 
> beta versions of Mojave.
> 
> Devin Prater
> Assistive Technology Instructor certified by World Services for the Blind
> JAWS certified 
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2018, at 12:15 PM, Anita E  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,What apps are available for reading books on the MacBook? Is it 
>> possible to read Learning Ally and NLS content? 
>> Thanks,
>> Anita
>> Sent from my iPhone
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