date:20181217

Hell, that's great, a person that knows how to use a phone with braille or 
voiceover,

My work colleagues can't even handle using computers without mice.

I tried cutting mouse cables but they got grumpy and found new mice.
 Voiceover and jaws just confuse some people,
I have to laugh at them when so called IT support staff can't click the x in 
the top corner of a screen when Jaws is running, to turn it off.

Life is such a laugh 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Tuesday, 18 December 2018 1:41 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: missing onscreen keyboard on iPhone

Well, thought it was resolved but it showed up again. My co-worker did 
something counterintuitive that might have resolved things. Apparently old 
bluetooth configurations can get stuck in the phone when you unpair the device. 
He turned off onscreen keyboard in the Braille settings, and restarted the 
phone. I’ll try things out a bit, and if it works I’ll get a full write up of 
the procedure. I would not have even expected him to know how to get to Braille 
settings on an iPhone, though he was the person in our office who went to 
Hawaii board of education and helped get things set up for their Blind students.
Jonathan Cohn 
 
> On Dec 17, 2018, at 2:59 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   If you mean braille screen input, who knows. I do not have that in mu 
> rotor. This sure is perplexing. A total reset would indeed be the last resort 
> but it might end up being the best solution.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
> true?
> 
> On 12/17/2018 11:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>> Two points for ET though not directly, since I was on the phone with Apple. 
>> I removed pairing of the Braille device, removed braille  from the rotor, 
>> turned off bluetooth and then powered down and powered up.
>> I am almost tempted to try and cause the reversal again to see if I can 
>> simplify that reset process. I wonder if the fact that Braille was in the 
>> rotor in addition to the braille display somehow confused VoiceOver into 
>> reversing actions for the Braille connectivity. Though the support rep I 
>> talked with said he had heard of some cases where the onscreen keyboard 
>> would disappear when BlueTooth headphones are connected.
>>> On Dec 16, 2018, at 10:39 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Forget the braille device or turn off Bluetooth? Did you try these?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>> true?
>>> 
>>> On 12/16/2018 4:57 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
 Well, I made a little progress. Essentially the onscreen keyboard toggle 
 now appears to be completely backward. When the Braille display is 
 connected to the iPhone 7, then the OnScreen keyboard is available but as 
 soon as I get out of range, turn off the keyboard, or otherwise disable 
 the Braille display, the OnScreen keyboard disappears.
 I am very tempted to reset all settings, but then I would need to put my 
 credit cards back into Apple Pay.
 Best wishes,
 Jonathan Cohn
> On Dec 15, 2018, at 7:42 PM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan,
> I just had this happen today. It was very annoying. I have an external 
> Bluetooth keyboard, and I thought maybe that was the problem. So I turned 
> off Bluetooth. Rebooted the phone. No luck. I went into general settings 
> keyboard and found out that for some reason I had three keyboards listed, 
> two of which were United States English qwerty. I deleted one of those, 
> rebooted the phone, and my keyboard returned. I don’t know why it listed 
> US English twice. And I don’t know if it was just coincidental that 
> getting rid of one of them should cause the keyboard to reappear. But it 
> did.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2018, at 4:01 PM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the replies. so far, I have not been able to get the onscreen 
>> keyboard to appear again. I have tried removing the pairing of the 
>> Braille display, toggling the show keyboard check box several times, 
>> reset the system with bluetooth off and with airplane mode on, and 
>> probably 5 other similar attempts. I have not yet looked at support 
>> pages on the web, but then again I am just getting onto a computer now 
>> since my post last night. Oh, and I apologize for the typo’s in that 
>> post, I was using the VoiceOver braille on screen keyboard.
>> 
>> I will definitely post if I get a solution that works, if anybody else 
>> has ideas please keep them coming.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 15, 2018, at 1

RE: installing Homekit devices

Does Adam know Eve's going into business without him?

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of John JD Denning
Sent: Tuesday, 18 December 2018 1:05 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: installing Homekit devices

Eve has announced a smoke alarm. I’m considering getting theirs once it’s 
released. I have a number of Eva switches, and motion to tactor, and they work 
beautifully, and were a snap to set up.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 19:03, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> We purchased the same smoke alarm. Unlike other HomeKit devices we have, this 
> particular device is extremely difficult to set up and use. It took us a few 
> hours to get both devices working properly together. I do not recommend this 
> smoke alarm.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> 
> 
>> On 17 Dec 2018, at 05:42, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> My husband and I just purchased a OneLink smoke alarm, hoping to be able to 
>> pair it with HomeKit.  It cost $250, but we figured it was worth it if 
>> Homekit allowed me to be able to interact with the alarm.  The short version 
>> of our story is that we've spent all morning trying to get it to work.  We 
>> finally got the smoke alarm working, but after four hours and two calls to 
>> tech support, never got it paired with Homekit.  I'm just wondering if those 
>> of you who use Homekit for other devices usually have this much trouble 
>> getting devices set up?  We're returning the smoke alarm and just going with 
>> a cheap one, and giving up have it work with Homekit.  But I would like to 
>> use it for other devices, so would like to know if people generally find 
>> devices hard to set up.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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RE: missing onscreen keyboard on iPhone

I know I'll probably cause myself trouble here but I've never had an issue with 
the on screen keyboard when my BT headphones are connected.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Tuesday, 18 December 2018 8:15 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: missing onscreen keyboard on iPhone

Two points for ET though not directly, since I was on the phone with Apple. I 
removed pairing of the Braille device, removed braille  from the rotor, turned 
off bluetooth and then powered down and powered up.

I am almost tempted to try and cause the reversal again to see if I can 
simplify that reset process. I wonder if the fact that Braille was in the rotor 
in addition to the braille display somehow confused VoiceOver into reversing 
actions for the Braille connectivity. Though the support rep I talked with said 
he had heard of some cases where the onscreen keyboard would disappear when 
BlueTooth headphones are connected.

> On Dec 16, 2018, at 10:39 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Forget the braille device or turn off Bluetooth? Did you try these?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
> true?
> 
> On 12/16/2018 4:57 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>> Well, I made a little progress. Essentially the onscreen keyboard toggle now 
>> appears to be completely backward. When the Braille display is connected to 
>> the iPhone 7, then the OnScreen keyboard is available but as soon as I get 
>> out of range, turn off the keyboard, or otherwise disable the Braille 
>> display, the OnScreen keyboard disappears.
>> I am very tempted to reset all settings, but then I would need to put my 
>> credit cards back into Apple Pay.
>> Best wishes,
>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> On Dec 15, 2018, at 7:42 PM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Jonathan,
>>> I just had this happen today. It was very annoying. I have an external 
>>> Bluetooth keyboard, and I thought maybe that was the problem. So I turned 
>>> off Bluetooth. Rebooted the phone. No luck. I went into general settings 
>>> keyboard and found out that for some reason I had three keyboards listed, 
>>> two of which were United States English qwerty. I deleted one of those, 
>>> rebooted the phone, and my keyboard returned. I don’t know why it listed US 
>>> English twice. And I don’t know if it was just coincidental that getting 
>>> rid of one of them should cause the keyboard to reappear. But it did.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 15, 2018, at 4:01 PM, Jonathan Cohn >>> > wrote:

 Thanks for the replies. so far, I have not been able to get the onscreen 
 keyboard to appear again. I have tried removing the pairing of the Braille 
 display, toggling the show keyboard check box several times, reset the 
 system with bluetooth off and with airplane mode on, and probably 5 other 
 similar attempts. I have not yet looked at support pages on the web, but 
 then again I am just getting onto a computer now since my post last night. 
 Oh, and I apologize for the typo’s in that post, I was using the VoiceOver 
 braille on screen keyboard.

 I will definitely post if I get a solution that works, if anybody else has 
 ideas please keep them coming.

> On Dec 15, 2018, at 12:15 AM, Katie Zodrow  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan. This happened to me also at the beginning of December over 
> the weekend, and it was pretty frustrating when I couldn't dictate or 
> type on my phone with the on screen keyboard. It was like my phone 
> thought I was still connected to Bluetooth with my braille display even 
> though the display was already turned off. Try switching Bluetooth off 
> and then back on and see if that helps. If that doesn't work, try turning 
> Bluetooth off and do a soft reset on your phone. When I had this problem, 
> I eventually went to the Apple Store on Monday and they were able to 
> reset my phone. None of my apps or data was erased and I did a back up 
> beforehand just in case that might happen. The keyboard magically 
> reappeared again after they turned off Bluetooth and reset it.
> Hope that helps.
> Katie
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 14, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> sometime in the last 2 days, while playingeaa Braille display, my 
>> keyboard stoppeed appearing ih gone throughsettings but can't get it to 
>> reappear. Guidance gratefully sought! '
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
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RE: Installing windows with bootcamp?

Yeah I have no boot chime on my 2018 mac book pro 13",

When I need to start with boot options or recovery I just hold the keys down 
from before I hit the power button,
Only way I can be sure I've got it quick enough.

And yeah I have boot chime on my 11" air mid 2013 and 13" mac book pro think 
it's a 2015 model.

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, 18 December 2018 3:30 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Installing windows with bootcamp?

Basic problem is the lack of the boot chime. That's a big deal, imo. 

Simon and I have boot chime on our 2013 vintage gear, but I believe the new 
machines no longer support boot chime. Hope I'm wrong, but I suspect I'm not 
wrong.

Without boot chime you're left guessing when to hold down the Option key, and 
for how long. I hate guessing on things like that. It's not very efficient.

Such a basic thing to create such a large nuisance to this userbase.

Janina



Simon Fogarty writes:
> Matt I don't see why you would
> 
> I've got windows 10 on a mac mini from 2013 and works great.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of Matt Turner
> Sent: Saturday, 15 December 2018 6:42 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Installing windows with bootcamp?
> 
> Hi folks.
> Subject says it all.
> I’m thinking of getting windows 10 and installing it on my 2018 Mac Mini.
> I think I heard somewhere I would have problems with the new chip, in the 
> Mini?
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RE: manually transferring email to new Mac

Yeah it’s a typical situation.

To do it properly you need to use an adapter.

I don’t know if you can transfer your mail via wifi.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
Sent: Tuesday, 18 December 2018 1:27 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: manually transferring email to new Mac

I already set it up as brand new. Just need to get the mail.
I cannot connect them together due to lack of compatible ports.

Sarai D Bucciarelli 
www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 11:34 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: manually transferring email to new Mac

Don’t,

Try using the migration tool built in to the Mac OS or look under the utilities 
menu,

It’s something  that you should really do at the time your setting up the new 
mac.

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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
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Sent: Monday, 17 December 2018 5:15 AM
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Subject: manually transferring email to new Mac

All:

I have my old 2010 Macbook Pro with Sierra. I want to manually transfer my 
email folders with all my sub folders of saved mail to my Macbook Air. How can 
I do this with a thumb drive?

Sarai D Bucciarelli 
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Re: installing Homekit devices

2018-12-17 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

If you get one, let us know how it goes.  We bought a nest, but are hoping to 
move ASAP, so may have a chance to configure a new house the way we want.
Donna


> On Dec 17, 2018, at 6:05 PM, John JD Denning  wrote:
> 
> Eve has announced a smoke alarm. I’m considering getting theirs once it’s 
> released. I have a number of Eva switches, and motion to tactor, and they 
> work beautifully, and were a snap to set up.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 19:03, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> We purchased the same smoke alarm. Unlike other HomeKit devices we have, 
>> this particular device is extremely difficult to set up and use. It took us 
>> a few hours to get both devices working properly together. I do not 
>> recommend this smoke alarm.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> 
>> 
>>> On 17 Dec 2018, at 05:42, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> My husband and I just purchased a OneLink smoke alarm, hoping to be able to 
>>> pair it with HomeKit.  It cost $250, but we figured it was worth it if 
>>> Homekit allowed me to be able to interact with the alarm.  The short 
>>> version of our story is that we've spent all morning trying to get it to 
>>> work.  We finally got the smoke alarm working, but after four hours and two 
>>> calls to tech support, never got it paired with Homekit.  I'm just 
>>> wondering if those of you who use Homekit for other devices usually have 
>>> this much trouble getting devices set up?  We're returning the smoke alarm 
>>> and just going with a cheap one, and giving up have it work with Homekit.  
>>> But I would like to use it for other devices, so would like to know if 
>>> people generally find devices hard to set up.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: VoiceOver Repetition

AH, I haven’t seen that occurrence in several years and had to track down the 
new place.

1. Open system preferences.
2. Open Dictation and Speech 
3. Click on text to speech.
3. Uncheck the "Announce when alerts are displayed” check box.

This should resolve your double announcements.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn  
> On Dec 17, 2018, at 6:41 PM, 'Bill Gallik' via MacVisionaries 
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> I am experiencing a rather annoying phenomenon on my Mac mini (latest MacOS 
> version) when executing various commands in the native e-mail client.
> 
> First, for a bit of platform information.  I am using a USB Logitech headset 
> and have VoiceOver routed to this component.  Other sounds are directed to 
> the onboard audio jack for the Mac mini.  This mostly works fine except that 
> quite often announcements from the e-mail client are directed through 
> channels.  One example of this is when I execute the 
> ++ key sequence to clear out the trash.  The prompt 
> initially is routed to the headphones whereupon I select the ERASE Button.  
> Then - typically 5 seconds later - the identical prompt is routed to the 
> onboard audio jack.
> 
> This certainly is not a “show stopper” of any kind, but surely is annoying!  
> Can anybody offer any solutions (short of not using the headset for 
> VoiceOver)?
> 
> 
> 
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transferring mail.

Well, if you select a mailbox from the mailbox list and hit vo-shift-m to bring 
up the contextual menu there is a “export mailbox” option there. It even has a 
export all subfolders option. I have no idea what format is used, and when I 
clicked the options button I learned nothing. 
Then I expect you could use the import mailboxes item in the file folder to 
bring those messages to your new computer.
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Re: installing Homekit devices

2018-12-17 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

Thanks, David.  We actually returned it, and now have a Nest Protect.  I really 
wanted something that would work with HomeKit, but at least we now have a 
working smoke alarm, and it took us only 20 minutes to set up.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 6:03 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
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> We purchased the same smoke alarm. Unlike other HomeKit devices we have, this 
> particular device is extremely difficult to set up and use. It took us a few 
> hours to get both devices working properly together. I do not recommend this 
> smoke alarm.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> 
> 
>> On 17 Dec 2018, at 05:42, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> My husband and I just purchased a OneLink smoke alarm, hoping to be able to 
>> pair it with HomeKit.  It cost $250, but we figured it was worth it if 
>> Homekit allowed me to be able to interact with the alarm.  The short version 
>> of our story is that we've spent all morning trying to get it to work.  We 
>> finally got the smoke alarm working, but after four hours and two calls to 
>> tech support, never got it paired with Homekit.  I'm just wondering if those 
>> of you who use Homekit for other devices usually have this much trouble 
>> getting devices set up?  We're returning the smoke alarm and just going with 
>> a cheap one, and giving up have it work with Homekit.  But I would like to 
>> use it for other devices, so would like to know if people generally find 
>> devices hard to set up.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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RE: twitter client for Mac

2018-12-17 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli

I just bought it. So far, I like it!

 

Sarai D Bucciarelli   
www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 1:10 PM
To: 'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: twitter client for Mac

 

I used to like Night Owl, but Twitterrific is much better, and is still 
extremely user friendly. The fact that it is mainstream also makes it so that 
updates, if they will be released because of all the Twitter nonsense, should 
happen more frequently and more easily. 

Aleeha 





On Dec 16, 2018, at 12:33 PM, Eric Oyen mailto:eric.o...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Well, I use night owl myself. It’s a simple interface design that works well 
with screen readers. There are some things it can’t do, but those are small 
sacrifices

 

I haven’t tried any of the other twitter clients that might still be available 
for the Mac.

 

-Eric

 





On Dec 15, 2018, at 8:14 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi:

 

My new Macbook air 2018 with 16GB ram and 512GB SSd came. It is so fast 
compaired to the MBP 2010 LOL. So, what twitter client is the best to use now?

 

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Re: missing onscreen keyboard on iPhone

Well, thought it was resolved but it showed up again. My co-worker did 
something counterintuitive that might have resolved things. Apparently old 
bluetooth configurations can get stuck in the phone when you unpair the device. 
He turned off onscreen keyboard in the Braille settings, and restarted the 
phone. I’ll try things out a bit, and if it works I’ll get a full write up of 
the procedure. I would not have even expected him to know how to get to Braille 
settings on an iPhone, though he was the person in our office who went to 
Hawaii board of education and helped get things set up for their Blind students.
Jonathan Cohn 
 
> On Dec 17, 2018, at 2:59 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   If you mean braille screen input, who knows. I do not have that in mu 
> rotor. This sure is perplexing. A total reset would indeed be the last resort 
> but it might end up being the best solution.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 12/17/2018 11:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>> Two points for ET though not directly, since I was on the phone with Apple. 
>> I removed pairing of the Braille device, removed braille  from the rotor, 
>> turned off bluetooth and then powered down and powered up.
>> I am almost tempted to try and cause the reversal again to see if I can 
>> simplify that reset process. I wonder if the fact that Braille was in the 
>> rotor in addition to the braille display somehow confused VoiceOver into 
>> reversing actions for the Braille connectivity. Though the support rep I 
>> talked with said he had heard of some cases where the onscreen keyboard 
>> would disappear when BlueTooth headphones are connected.
>>> On Dec 16, 2018, at 10:39 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Forget the braille device or turn off Bluetooth? Did you try these?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 12/16/2018 4:57 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
 Well, I made a little progress. Essentially the onscreen keyboard toggle 
 now appears to be completely backward. When the Braille display is 
 connected to the iPhone 7, then the OnScreen keyboard is available but as 
 soon as I get out of range, turn off the keyboard, or otherwise disable 
 the Braille display, the OnScreen keyboard disappears.
 I am very tempted to reset all settings, but then I would need to put my 
 credit cards back into Apple Pay.
 Best wishes,
 Jonathan Cohn
> On Dec 15, 2018, at 7:42 PM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan,
> I just had this happen today. It was very annoying. I have an external 
> Bluetooth keyboard, and I thought maybe that was the problem. So I turned 
> off Bluetooth. Rebooted the phone. No luck. I went into general settings 
> keyboard and found out that for some reason I had three keyboards listed, 
> two of which were United States English qwerty. I deleted one of those, 
> rebooted the phone, and my keyboard returned. I don’t know why it listed 
> US English twice. And I don’t know if it was just coincidental that 
> getting rid of one of them should cause the keyboard to reappear. But it 
> did.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2018, at 4:01 PM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the replies. so far, I have not been able to get the onscreen 
>> keyboard to appear again. I have tried removing the pairing of the 
>> Braille display, toggling the show keyboard check box several times, 
>> reset the system with bluetooth off and with airplane mode on, and 
>> probably 5 other similar attempts. I have not yet looked at support 
>> pages on the web, but then again I am just getting onto a computer now 
>> since my post last night. Oh, and I apologize for the typo’s in that 
>> post, I was using the VoiceOver braille on screen keyboard.
>> 
>> I will definitely post if I get a solution that works, if anybody else 
>> has ideas please keep them coming.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 15, 2018, at 12:15 AM, Katie Zodrow >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Jonathan. This happened to me also at the beginning of December over 
>>> the weekend, and it was pretty frustrating when I couldn't dictate or 
>>> type on my phone with the on screen keyboard. It was like my phone 
>>> thought I was still connected to Bluetooth with my braille display even 
>>> though the display was already turned off. Try switching Bluetooth off 
>>> and then back on and see if that helps. If that doesn't work, try 
>>> turning Bluetooth off and do a soft reset on your phone. When I had 
>>> this problem, I eventually we

Re: installing Homekit devices

2018-12-17 Thread John JD Denning

Eve has announced a smoke alarm. I’m considering getting theirs once it’s 
released. I have a number of Eva switches, and motion to tactor, and they work 
beautifully, and were a snap to set up.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 19:03, David Chittenden  wrote:
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> We purchased the same smoke alarm. Unlike other HomeKit devices we have, this 
> particular device is extremely difficult to set up and use. It took us a few 
> hours to get both devices working properly together. I do not recommend this 
> smoke alarm.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> 
> 
>> On 17 Dec 2018, at 05:42, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> My husband and I just purchased a OneLink smoke alarm, hoping to be able to 
>> pair it with HomeKit.  It cost $250, but we figured it was worth it if 
>> Homekit allowed me to be able to interact with the alarm.  The short version 
>> of our story is that we've spent all morning trying to get it to work.  We 
>> finally got the smoke alarm working, but after four hours and two calls to 
>> tech support, never got it paired with Homekit.  I'm just wondering if those 
>> of you who use Homekit for other devices usually have this much trouble 
>> getting devices set up?  We're returning the smoke alarm and just going with 
>> a cheap one, and giving up have it work with Homekit.  But I would like to 
>> use it for other devices, so would like to know if people generally find 
>> devices hard to set up.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: installing Homekit devices

2018-12-17 Thread David Chittenden

We purchased the same smoke alarm. Unlike other HomeKit devices we have, this 
particular device is extremely difficult to set up and use. It took us a few 
hours to get both devices working properly together. I do not recommend this 
smoke alarm.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> On 17 Dec 2018, at 05:42, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> My husband and I just purchased a OneLink smoke alarm, hoping to be able to 
> pair it with HomeKit.  It cost $250, but we figured it was worth it if 
> Homekit allowed me to be able to interact with the alarm.  The short version 
> of our story is that we've spent all morning trying to get it to work.  We 
> finally got the smoke alarm working, but after four hours and two calls to 
> tech support, never got it paired with Homekit.  I'm just wondering if those 
> of you who use Homekit for other devices usually have this much trouble 
> getting devices set up?  We're returning the smoke alarm and just going with 
> a cheap one, and giving up have it work with Homekit.  But I would like to 
> use it for other devices, so would like to know if people generally find 
> devices hard to set up.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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VoiceOver Repetition

2018-12-17 Thread 'Bill Gallik' via MacVisionaries

I am experiencing a rather annoying phenomenon on my Mac mini (latest MacOS 
version) when executing various commands in the native e-mail client.

First, for a bit of platform information.  I am using a USB Logitech headset 
and have VoiceOver routed to this component.  Other sounds are directed to the 
onboard audio jack for the Mac mini.  This mostly works fine except that quite 
often announcements from the e-mail client are directed through channels.  One 
example of this is when I execute the ++ key sequence 
to clear out the trash.  The prompt initially is routed to the headphones 
whereupon I select the ERASE Button.  Then - typically 5 seconds later - the 
identical prompt is routed to the onboard audio jack.

This certainly is not a “show stopper” of any kind, but surely is annoying!  
Can anybody offer any solutions (short of not using the headset for VoiceOver)?



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Re: Screen Recording with Voiceover Audio

   Camera and microphone, got rid of the dialog. But still having 
trouble getting the Mac to see the iPhone. Have not tried the iPad. The 
start recording button is now live, though only for Facetime.

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On 12/17/2018 11:32 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

To edit the access to camera or microphone, go to System Prefs, Security 
& Privacy, press the Privacy tab, select Camera from the categories 
table and then make sure that the QuickTime item is checked.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 17, 2018, at 12:21, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:

   Tum, I am going to have another go at this in a but. One thing that 
may or may not be a factor is that I get the message, "QT does not have 
access to the camera". There are no preferences and I could not find any 
remedy for this.

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On 12/17/2018 10:29 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
Hmmm.  Interesting.  I do this all the time with my iPads, but had not 
tried it with my iPhone.  So, I just did, and it worked perfectly, 
including the ability to record in QuickTime.

1.  Connect the iPhone to the Mac with the USB charging cable.
2.  Open QuickTime.
3.  Unlock your iPhone.  I'm not sure if this is necessary, but I do 
it anyway.
4.  Up to the File menu and down to "New Movie Recording", or press 
cmd-option-n.
5.  In the Show Captured Devices menu, select your iPhone.  It should 
normally auto-select the iPhone for audio as well, but I'd confirm 
just in case.

6.  VO-left to the Full volume button.
7.  Swipe around the iPhone screen and you should hear your iPhone 
audio coming through the Mac.  The video probably is too, but we just 
can't see that part :).
8.  On the Mac, VO-right to the Start Recording button and a QT movie 
will be recorded until you press the Stop button.
9.  Press the Play button to watch your handiwork and save it if 
you're satisfied.
I'm not sure what could be happening for you.  I use this method often 
when doing presentations so that my iPad screen is projected.

Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Dec 16, 2018, at 10:32, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> 
wrote:
  Oh I forgot to answer this one. No I don't hear the iPhone through 
the Mac.

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On 12/15/2018 5:32 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
Are you hearing the iPhone's VO through the computer?  Also, did you 
make sure to choose "New Movie Recording"?

Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Dec 14, 2018, at 19:35, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 

> wrote:
  Photos fixed I thin, thanks. Qoicktime now sees the iPhone, I 
selected it for both video and audio but the start recording button 
remains dimmed.

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On 12/14/2018 2:21 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
Two things.  First, to address the Photos thing.  When in the Photos 
app on your Mac, you can interact with the Navigation bar in the 
Photos screen and uncheck the box for that prompt.  Second, check 
that your iPhone is visible when in iTunes.  I believe that you need 
to have trusted the interaction between the devices.

Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Dec 14, 2018, at 13:23, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 

> wrote:

Hi Tim,
  I finally had some time to do this. After selecting "New Movie 
Recording", in the "Show Capture Devices" pop-up I am not seeing the 
iPhone choice. I know the Mac sees it because I am asked if I want 
to allow access to Photos. Would to stop that. Anyway, did I miss a 
step?

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Re: missing onscreen keyboard on iPhone

If you mean braille screen input, who knows. I do not have that in
mu rotor. This sure is perplexing. A total reset would indeed be the
last resort but it might end up being the best solution.

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On 12/17/2018 11:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

Two points for ET though not directly, since I was on the phone with Apple. I
removed pairing of the Braille device, removed braille from the rotor, turned
off bluetooth and then powered down and powered up.

I am almost tempted to try and cause the reversal again to see if I can
simplify that reset process. I wonder if the fact that Braille was in the rotor
in addition to the braille display somehow confused VoiceOver into reversing
actions for the Braille connectivity. Though the support rep I talked with said
he had heard of some cases where the onscreen keyboard would disappear when
BlueTooth headphones are connected.

On Dec 16, 2018, at 10:39 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
wrote:

Forget the braille device or turn off Bluetooth? Did you try these?

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On 12/16/2018 4:57 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

Well, I made a little progress. Essentially the onscreen keyboard toggle now
appears to be completely backward. When the Braille display is connected to the
iPhone 7, then the OnScreen keyboard is available but as soon as I get out of
range, turn off the keyboard, or otherwise disable the Braille display, the
OnScreen keyboard disappears.
I am very tempted to reset all settings, but then I would need to put my credit
cards back into Apple Pay.
Best wishes,
Jonathan Cohn

On Dec 15, 2018, at 7:42 PM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Jonathan,
I just had this happen today. It was very annoying. I have an external
Bluetooth keyboard, and I thought maybe that was the problem. So I turned off
Bluetooth. Rebooted the phone. No luck. I went into general settings keyboard
and found out that for some reason I had three keyboards listed, two of which
were United States English qwerty. I deleted one of those, rebooted the phone,
and my keyboard returned. I don’t know why it listed US English twice. And I
don’t know if it was just coincidental that getting rid of one of them should
cause the keyboard to reappear. But it did.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 15, 2018, at 4:01 PM, Jonathan Cohn mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks for the replies. so far, I have not been able to get the onscreen
keyboard to appear again. I have tried removing the pairing of the Braille
display, toggling the show keyboard check box several times, reset the system
with bluetooth off and with airplane mode on, and probably 5 other similar
attempts. I have not yet looked at support pages on the web, but then again I
am just getting onto a computer now since my post last night. Oh, and I
apologize for the typo’s in that post, I was using the VoiceOver braille on
screen keyboard.

I will definitely post if I get a solution that works, if anybody else has
ideas please keep them coming.

On Dec 15, 2018, at 12:15 AM, Katie Zodrow mailto:kzodrow...@att.net>> wrote:

Hi Jonathan. This happened to me also at the beginning of December over the
weekend, and it was pretty frustrating when I couldn't dictate or type on my
phone with the on screen keyboard. It was like my phone thought I was still
connected to Bluetooth with my braille display even though the display was
already turned off. Try switching Bluetooth off and then back on and see if
that helps. If that doesn't work, try turning Bluetooth off and do a soft reset
on your phone. When I had this problem, I eventually went to the Apple Store on
Monday and they were able to reset my phone. None of my apps or data was erased
and I did a back up beforehand just in case that might happen. The keyboard
magically reappeared again after they turned off Bluetooth and reset it.
Hope that helps.
Katie
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 14, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

sometime in the last 2 days, while playingeaa Braille display, my keyboard
stoppeed appearing ih gone throughsettings but can't get it to reappear.
Guidance gratefully sought! '

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

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Re: Screen Recording with Voiceover Audio

2018-12-17 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries

Hi,

To edit the access to camera or microphone, go to System Prefs, Security & 
Privacy, press the Privacy tab, select Camera from the categories table and 
then make sure that the QuickTime item is checked.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 17, 2018, at 12:21, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

  Tum, I am going to have another go at this in a but. One thing that may or 
may not be a factor is that I get the message, "QT does not have access to the 
camera". There are no preferences and I could not find any remedy for this.

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On 12/17/2018 10:29 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Hi,
> Hmmm.  Interesting.  I do this all the time with my iPads, but had not tried 
> it with my iPhone.  So, I just did, and it worked perfectly, including the 
> ability to record in QuickTime.
> 1.  Connect the iPhone to the Mac with the USB charging cable.
> 2.  Open QuickTime.
> 3.  Unlock your iPhone.  I'm not sure if this is necessary, but I do it 
> anyway.
> 4.  Up to the File menu and down to "New Movie Recording", or press 
> cmd-option-n.
> 5.  In the Show Captured Devices menu, select your iPhone.  It should 
> normally auto-select the iPhone for audio as well, but I'd confirm just in 
> case.
> 6.  VO-left to the Full volume button.
> 7.  Swipe around the iPhone screen and you should hear your iPhone audio 
> coming through the Mac.  The video probably is too, but we just can't see 
> that part :).
> 8.  On the Mac, VO-right to the Start Recording button and a QT movie will be 
> recorded until you press the Stop button.
> 9.  Press the Play button to watch your handiwork and save it if you're 
> satisfied.
> I'm not sure what could be happening for you.  I use this method often when 
> doing presentations so that my iPad screen is projected.
> Later...
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> On Dec 16, 2018, at 10:32, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>  >> wrote:
>   Oh I forgot to answer this one. No I don't hear the iPhone through the Mac.
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com  
> >
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> On 12/15/2018 5:32 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Are you hearing the iPhone's VO through the computer?  Also, did you make 
>> sure to choose "New Movie Recording"?
>> Later...
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> On Dec 14, 2018, at 19:35, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>> > > 
>> > >> wrote:
>>   Photos fixed I thin, thanks. Qoicktime now sees the iPhone, I selected it 
>> for both video and audio but the start recording button remains dimmed.
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com  
>> > 
>> >
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> On 12/14/2018 2:21 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Two things.  First, to address the Photos thing.  When in the Photos app on 
>>> your Mac, you can interact with the Navigation bar in the Photos screen and 
>>> uncheck the box for that prompt.  Second, check that your iPhone is visible 
>>> when in iTunes.  I believe that you need to have trusted the interaction 
>>> between the devices.
>>> Later...
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> On Dec 14, 2018, at 13:23, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>> >> > 
>>> >> > 
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>> Hi Tim,
>>>   I finally had some time to do this. After selecting "New Movie 
>>> Recording", in the "Show Capture Devices" pop-up I am not seeing the iPhone 
>>> choice. I know the Mac sees it because I am asked if I want to allow access 
>>> to Photos. Would to stop that. Anyway, did I miss a step?
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com

Re: Screen Recording with Voiceover Audio

   Tum, I am going to have another go at this in a but. One thing that 
may or may not be a factor is that I get the message, "QT does not have 
access to the camera". There are no preferences and I could not find any 
remedy for this.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 12/17/2018 10:29 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

Hmmm.  Interesting.  I do this all the time with my iPads, but had not 
tried it with my iPhone.  So, I just did, and it worked perfectly, 
including the ability to record in QuickTime.

1.  Connect the iPhone to the Mac with the USB charging cable.
2.  Open QuickTime.
3.  Unlock your iPhone.  I'm not sure if this is necessary, but I do it 
anyway.
4.  Up to the File menu and down to "New Movie Recording", or press 
cmd-option-n.
5.  In the Show Captured Devices menu, select your iPhone.  It should 
normally auto-select the iPhone for audio as well, but I'd confirm just 
in case.

6.  VO-left to the Full volume button.
7.  Swipe around the iPhone screen and you should hear your iPhone audio 
coming through the Mac.  The video probably is too, but we just can't 
see that part :).
8.  On the Mac, VO-right to the Start Recording button and a QT movie 
will be recorded until you press the Stop button.
9.  Press the Play button to watch your handiwork and save it if you're 
satisfied.

I'm not sure what could be happening for you.  I use this method often 
when doing presentations so that my iPad screen is projected.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 16, 2018, at 10:32, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:

   Oh I forgot to answer this one. No I don't hear the iPhone through 
the Mac.

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On 12/15/2018 5:32 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
Are you hearing the iPhone's VO through the computer?  Also, did you 
make sure to choose "New Movie Recording"?

Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Dec 14, 2018, at 19:35, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 

> wrote:
  Photos fixed I thin, thanks. Qoicktime now sees the iPhone, I 
selected it for both video and audio but the start recording button 
remains dimmed.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com  

Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?
On 12/14/2018 2:21 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
Two things.  First, to address the Photos thing.  When in the Photos 
app on your Mac, you can interact with the Navigation bar in the 
Photos screen and uncheck the box for that prompt.  Second, check 
that your iPhone is visible when in iTunes.  I believe that you need 
to have trusted the interaction between the devices.

Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Dec 14, 2018, at 13:23, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 

> wrote:

Hi Tim,
  I finally had some time to do this. After selecting "New Movie 
Recording", in the "Show Capture Devices" pop-up I am not seeing the 
iPhone choice. I know the Mac sees it because I am asked if I want to 
allow access to Photos. Would to stop that. Anyway, did I miss a step?

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com  

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On 12/7/2018 11:27 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
This is totally doable on iOS if you also have a Mac.  You can 
connect the iOS device to your Mac with the USB charging cable.  Go 
to QuickTime on your Mac and choose "New Movie Recording" from the 
file menu.  In the resulting window, VO-space on the "Show Capture 
Devices" pop-up and select the iPad or iPhone for both video and 
audio capturing.  By default, the volume seems to always be muted, 
so VO-left to the Full Volume button and press it.  Finally, 
VO-right to the Start Recording button and press it. Because you are 
doing a movie recording, you get both the video and audio from the 
iOS device recorded by QuickTime.   Press the Stop button to end the 
recording and edit/trim/save your product.
This appears to be more challenging on the Mac.  I can use an app 
called Reflector to capture the video content, but the VoiceOver 
Audio is more challenging.  I've got some ideas, but need to round 
up a cable or two to test be

Re: missing onscreen keyboard on iPhone

Simon,

Good idea. I had tried the keyboard / dictionary reset but did not think about 
BlueTooth really being a networking protocol.

Something else to keep in the tool bag for next time.

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 12:59 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> What about the network connections doesn’t that reset Bluetooth etc and leave 
> your other apps etc alone.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
> Sent: Monday, 17 December 2018 1:58 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: missing onscreen keyboard on iPhone
>  
> Well, I made a little progress. Essentially the onscreen keyboard toggle now 
> appears to be completely backward. When the Braille display is connected to 
> the iPhone 7, then the OnScreen keyboard is available but as soon as I get 
> out of range, turn off the keyboard, or otherwise disable the Braille 
> display, the OnScreen keyboard disappears.  
> I am very tempted to reset all settings, but then I would need to put my 
> credit cards back into Apple Pay.
>  
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 15, 2018, at 7:42 PM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
>  
> Hi Jonathan,
> I just had this happen today. It was very annoying. I have an external 
> Bluetooth keyboard, and I thought maybe that was the problem. So I turned off 
> Bluetooth. Rebooted the phone. No luck. I went into general settings keyboard 
> and found out that for some reason I had three keyboards listed, two of which 
> were United States English qwerty. I deleted one of those, rebooted the 
> phone, and my keyboard returned. I don’t know why it listed US English twice. 
> And I don’t know if it was just coincidental that getting rid of one of them 
> should cause the keyboard to reappear. But it did.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Dec 15, 2018, at 4:01 PM, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the replies. so far, I have not been able to get the onscreen 
> keyboard to appear again. I have tried removing the pairing of the Braille 
> display, toggling the show keyboard check box several times, reset the system 
> with bluetooth off and with airplane mode on, and probably 5 other similar 
> attempts. I have not yet looked at support pages on the web, but then again I 
> am just getting onto a computer now since my post last night. Oh, and I 
> apologize for the typo’s in that post, I was using the VoiceOver braille on 
> screen keyboard. 
> 
> I will definitely post if I get a solution that works, if anybody else has 
> ideas please keep them coming.
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 15, 2018, at 12:15 AM, Katie Zodrow  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan. This happened to me also at the beginning of December over the 
> weekend, and it was pretty frustrating when I couldn't dictate or type on my 
> phone with the on screen keyboard. It was like my phone thought I was still 
> connected to Bluetooth with my braille display even though the display was 
> already turned off. Try switching Bluetooth off and then back on and see if 
> that helps. If that doesn't work, try turning Bluetooth off and do a soft 
> reset on your phone. When I had this problem, I eventually went to the Apple 
> Store on Monday and they were able to reset my phone. None of my apps or data 
> was erased and I did a back up beforehand just in case that might happen. The 
> keyboard magically reappeared again after they turned off Bluetooth and reset 
> it.
> Hope that helps.
> Katie
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Dec 14, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  > wrote:
> 
> sometime in the last 2 days, while playingeaa Braille display, my keyboard 
> stoppeed appearing ih gone throughsettings but can't get it to reappear. 
> Guidance gratefully sought! '
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
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Re: Safari

2018-12-17 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries

Hi,

To further clarify:

On the Mac:

Go to System Preferences, iCloud, then interact with the Services table and 
make sure that Safari is checked.

On an iOS device:

Go into Settings, Your Name near the top, then double-tap iCloud, and swipe 
through the choices until Safari.  Make sure it is checked.

All devices or computers connected to that same Apple ID with the Safari item 
checked will sync and have Bookmarks and History accessible.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 17, 2018, at 12:06, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

To be just a little more specific. 
1. Open System settings->Internet accounts on the Mac or settings->passwords an 
accounts on the IOS device.
> On Dec 17, 2018, at 4:12 AM, Raymond Foret Jr  > wrote:2. click the iCloud account.
3. Ensure that the Safari check box is checked. 

If you have an issue with one device, then unchecking the box restarting and 
then checking the box again, might help resolve sync issues.

> 
> Done through iCloud.  Just sign in to iCloud and check the internet box to 
> synch it.  Good and done.  
> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> The constantly barefooted Ray
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:46 AM, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I'd like to be able to see my history on Safari no matter which device I 
>> used to visit the websites. how can I sync my history between my Mac and my 
>> iPhone? 
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: missing onscreen keyboard on iPhone

Two points for ET though not directly, since I was on the phone with Apple. I 
removed pairing of the Braille device, removed braille  from the rotor, turned 
off bluetooth and then powered down and powered up.

I am almost tempted to try and cause the reversal again to see if I can 
simplify that reset process. I wonder if the fact that Braille was in the rotor 
in addition to the braille display somehow confused VoiceOver into reversing 
actions for the Braille connectivity. Though the support rep I talked with said 
he had heard of some cases where the onscreen keyboard would disappear when 
BlueTooth headphones are connected.


> On Dec 16, 2018, at 10:39 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
>   Forget the braille device or turn off Bluetooth? Did you try these?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> On 12/16/2018 4:57 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>> Well, I made a little progress. Essentially the onscreen keyboard toggle now 
>> appears to be completely backward. When the Braille display is connected to 
>> the iPhone 7, then the OnScreen keyboard is available but as soon as I get 
>> out of range, turn off the keyboard, or otherwise disable the Braille 
>> display, the OnScreen keyboard disappears.
>> I am very tempted to reset all settings, but then I would need to put my 
>> credit cards back into Apple Pay.
>> Best wishes,
>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> On Dec 15, 2018, at 7:42 PM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Jonathan,
>>> I just had this happen today. It was very annoying. I have an external 
>>> Bluetooth keyboard, and I thought maybe that was the problem. So I turned 
>>> off Bluetooth. Rebooted the phone. No luck. I went into general settings 
>>> keyboard and found out that for some reason I had three keyboards listed, 
>>> two of which were United States English qwerty. I deleted one of those, 
>>> rebooted the phone, and my keyboard returned. I don’t know why it listed US 
>>> English twice. And I don’t know if it was just coincidental that getting 
>>> rid of one of them should cause the keyboard to reappear. But it did.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 15, 2018, at 4:01 PM, Jonathan Cohn >>> > wrote:
 
 Thanks for the replies. so far, I have not been able to get the onscreen 
 keyboard to appear again. I have tried removing the pairing of the Braille 
 display, toggling the show keyboard check box several times, reset the 
 system with bluetooth off and with airplane mode on, and probably 5 other 
 similar attempts. I have not yet looked at support pages on the web, but 
 then again I am just getting onto a computer now since my post last night. 
 Oh, and I apologize for the typo’s in that post, I was using the VoiceOver 
 braille on screen keyboard.
 
 I will definitely post if I get a solution that works, if anybody else has 
 ideas please keep them coming.
 
 
> On Dec 15, 2018, at 12:15 AM, Katie Zodrow  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan. This happened to me also at the beginning of December over 
> the weekend, and it was pretty frustrating when I couldn't dictate or 
> type on my phone with the on screen keyboard. It was like my phone 
> thought I was still connected to Bluetooth with my braille display even 
> though the display was already turned off. Try switching Bluetooth off 
> and then back on and see if that helps. If that doesn't work, try turning 
> Bluetooth off and do a soft reset on your phone. When I had this problem, 
> I eventually went to the Apple Store on Monday and they were able to 
> reset my phone. None of my apps or data was erased and I did a back up 
> beforehand just in case that might happen. The keyboard magically 
> reappeared again after they turned off Bluetooth and reset it.
> Hope that helps.
> Katie
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 14, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> sometime in the last 2 days, while playingeaa Braille display, my 
>> keyboard stoppeed appearing ih gone throughsettings but can't get it to 
>> reappear. Guidance gratefully sought! '
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
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Re: twitter client for Mac

2018-12-17 Thread Aleeha Dudley

I used to like Night Owl, but Twitterrific is much better, and is still 
extremely user friendly. The fact that it is mainstream also makes it so that 
updates, if they will be released because of all the Twitter nonsense, should 
happen more frequently and more easily. 
Aleeha 

> On Dec 16, 2018, at 12:33 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
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> Well, I use night owl myself. It’s a simple interface design that works well 
> with screen readers. There are some things it can’t do, but those are small 
> sacrifices
> 
> I haven’t tried any of the other twitter clients that might still be 
> available for the Mac.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Dec 15, 2018, at 8:14 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi:
>>  
>> My new Macbook air 2018 with 16GB ram and 512GB SSd came. It is so fast 
>> compaired to the MBP 2010 LOL. So, what twitter client is the best to use 
>> now?
>>  
>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
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Re: Safari

To be just a little more specific. 
1. Open System settings->Internet accounts on the Mac or settings->passwords an 
accounts on the IOS device.
> On Dec 17, 2018, at 4:12 AM, Raymond Foret Jr  
> wrote:2. click the iCloud account.
3. Ensure that the Safari check box is checked. 

If you have an issue with one device, then unchecking the box restarting and 
then checking the box again, might help resolve sync issues.

> 
> Done through iCloud.  Just sign in to iCloud and check the internet box to 
> synch it.  Good and done.  
> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
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>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:46 AM, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
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>> I'd like to be able to see my history on Safari no matter which device I 
>> used to visit the websites. how can I sync my history between my Mac and my 
>> iPhone? 
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Re: Screen Recording with Voiceover Audio

2018-12-17 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries

Hi,

Hmmm.  Interesting.  I do this all the time with my iPads, but had not tried it 
with my iPhone.  So, I just did, and it worked perfectly, including the ability 
to record in QuickTime.

1.  Connect the iPhone to the Mac with the USB charging cable.
2.  Open QuickTime.
3.  Unlock your iPhone.  I'm not sure if this is necessary, but I do it anyway.
4.  Up to the File menu and down to "New Movie Recording", or press 
cmd-option-n.
5.  In the Show Captured Devices menu, select your iPhone.  It should normally 
auto-select the iPhone for audio as well, but I'd confirm just in case.
6.  VO-left to the Full volume button.
7.  Swipe around the iPhone screen and you should hear your iPhone audio coming 
through the Mac.  The video probably is too, but we just can't see that part :).
8.  On the Mac, VO-right to the Start Recording button and a QT movie will be 
recorded until you press the Stop button.
9.  Press the Play button to watch your handiwork and save it if you're 
satisfied.

I'm not sure what could be happening for you.  I use this method often when 
doing presentations so that my iPad screen is projected.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 16, 2018, at 10:32, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

  Oh I forgot to answer this one. No I don't hear the iPhone through the Mac.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 12/15/2018 5:32 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Hi,
> Are you hearing the iPhone's VO through the computer?  Also, did you make 
> sure to choose "New Movie Recording"?
> Later...
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> On Dec 14, 2018, at 19:35, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>   Photos fixed I thin, thanks. Qoicktime now sees the iPhone, I selected it 
> for both video and audio but the start recording button remains dimmed.
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> On 12/14/2018 2:21 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Two things.  First, to address the Photos thing.  When in the Photos app on 
>> your Mac, you can interact with the Navigation bar in the Photos screen and 
>> uncheck the box for that prompt.  Second, check that your iPhone is visible 
>> when in iTunes.  I believe that you need to have trusted the interaction 
>> between the devices.
>> Later...
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> On Dec 14, 2018, at 13:23, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
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>> Hi Tim,
>>   I finally had some time to do this. After selecting "New Movie Recording", 
>> in the "Show Capture Devices" pop-up I am not seeing the iPhone choice. I 
>> know the Mac sees it because I am asked if I want to allow access to Photos. 
>> Would to stop that. Anyway, did I miss a step?
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>> On 12/7/2018 11:27 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> This is totally doable on iOS if you also have a Mac.  You can connect the 
>>> iOS device to your Mac with the USB charging cable.  Go to QuickTime on 
>>> your Mac and choose "New Movie Recording" from the file menu.  In the 
>>> resulting window, VO-space on the "Show Capture Devices" pop-up and select 
>>> the iPad or iPhone for both video and audio capturing.  By default, the 
>>> volume seems to always be muted, so VO-left to the Full Volume button and 
>>> press it.  Finally, VO-right to the Start Recording button and press it. 
>>> Because you are doing a movie recording, you get both the video and audio 
>>> from the iOS device recorded by QuickTime.   Press the Stop button to end 
>>> the recording and edit/trim/save your product.
>>> This appears to be more challenging on the Mac.  I can use an app called 
>>> Reflector to capture the video content, but the VoiceOver Audio is more 
>>> challenging.  I've got some ideas, but need to round up a cable or two to 
>>> test before I make any commitments as to its usability.  The audio and 
>>> video is mirrored when using Reflector and an iOS device, but I haven't 
>>> bothered messing with recording this way yet.
>>> HTH.
>>> Later...
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
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>>>  wr

Re: 4 tb hd, what is the best backup plan?

2018-12-17 Thread Eric Oyen

Well,
Where to start is with Disk Utility. It has a raid creator in it. However, a 
little reading on raid and what it’s used for can be found here:
PDF RAID Utility User Guide - Apple Inc. 

-Eric

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 6:26 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Thanks so  much for that
> I will get another 4 TB Hard today.
> but can you tell me please, where can i start?
> \
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 7:40 AM, Eric Oyen > > wrote:
>> 
>> No. Both drives have to be the same size for any type of raid. It’s a 
>> requirement of the specification.
>> 
>> Mixing differing sized drives in the same raid causes big problems (usually 
>> with cylinder allocation, numbering and other issues). Also, if the smallest 
>> drive is the first in the raid, any extra space on the larger drives will be 
>> ignored and only the space of the smaller drive will be allocated on the 
>> others. That means a lot of wasted space. It doesn’t matter which method of 
>> raid you use, this will be true regardless. Best to have all drives the same 
>> size.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2018, at 12:28 PM, Ramy Moustafa >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Aha, most of my data i need them badly will be more than that.
>>> but, i have an idea.
>>> I have my 4 Tb HD, and another 1 with 2 TB of data,
>>> can i use them together but not at the same time?
>>> I mean that i will make my backup every friday, can i connect the 2 HDs and 
>>> ask the time machine to use them for ba backing my data?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 16, 2018, at 5:24 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:

 Hi,

 Officially, yes.  Unofficially, it all depends on how much data you 
 currently have.  Each of your externals may hold up to a TB, but how much 
 data is actually stored on them?  Add up the amount of data, then multiply 
 it by 1.5.  If that is more than 4 TB, then you're probably able to use 
 the 4 TB HD as your backup drive.  If your total without multiplication is 
 already over 4 TB, then you're out of luck.  You cannot back up 6 TB onto 
 a 4 TB drive no matter what solution you find.  Compression won't help.  
 You might be able to use a combination of solutions.  That is, use iCloud 
 Drive to store your Desktop and Documents folder from the computer itself, 
 then use the 4 TB drive just to back up the externals.  Either way, if you 
 do have 8 TB of actual data, then you need 12 to 16 TB of available space 
 to do a reliable backup.  Realize that the first backup would likely be 10 
 to 11 TB on an 8 TB source, then you need free space for subsequent 
 backups.  Otherwise, you're just keeping a backup for a very short time 
 and the older data is purged very quickly, which makes your recovery 
 options very limited.

 Later...

 Tim Kilburn
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On Dec 16, 2018, at 02:49, Ramy Moustafa >>> > wrote:

 Aha i understand now.
 but all my external HDs will be more than 4 TB, and i will not be able to 
 buy 8 TB HD.
 All my data now are 8 TB storage, so, must i buy 16 TB hard drive?
 so, what will be teh 2nd solution?

> On Dec 14, 2018, at 4:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> No, it can be just one backup volume.  First limitation is that the 
> backup volume should be about twice as big as the data being stored.  So, 
> if you have less than 2 TB of data that needs backed up, then a 4 TB Time 
> Machine backup volume is perfect.  If the total is greater than that, you 
> might be fine, but the backup may run out of space too quickly.  All that 
> out of the way, you just go into your Time Machine pane in System Prefs, 
> press the Options button and make sure that none of your external drives 
> are excluded from the backup.  Essentially, that's all you need to do.  
> Leave all drives connected all the time and let Time Machine do its thing 
> automatically.  Note that the first backup may take days as the data is 
> being prepared for and backed up to the new drive.  All subsequent 
> backups should be much faster.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 14, 2018, at 06:32, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> My friends:
> I finally got 4 tb hard disk, that i plan to use it for weekly backup,
> I have more than 3 hard disks that i hope to backup them on this hd, so, 
> must i divide this new hd to 3 volumes to u

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