Re: Jumping to links.

[Jonathan Cohn]

OK, I had Group Navigation turned on in Web area of Voice Over Utility. 
Changing that back to DOM and I don't have issues. In Group mode, the VoiceOver 
cursor navigates to the paragraph block with the link and not to the actual 
link.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Apr 1, 2019, at 10:18 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> Sorry, I can't reproduce this.  VO-cmd-l works for me in Safari in Mojave 
> 10.14.4. as it should.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 31, 2019, at 17:37, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
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> I upgraded to the latest Mojave  this weekend, and since then I haven't been 
> able to jump to links. I'm using the VO command L keystroke and it doesn't 
> fail but it doesn't go to the link either. Has anybody else able to reproduce 
> especially if you haven't updated to the most recent version of Mojave that 
> came out last week. 
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Re: How to work around edit boxes that refuse input?

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

When I come across a text field that doesn’t appear to want to accept input, I 
bring mouse to voiceover cursor with vo+command+f5 & do a mouse click or 
sometimes I just press vo+spacebar and it remedies the situation.  Sometimes I 
also interact with the text field first before pressing vo+spacebar.  You could 
also try bringing mouse cursor to voiceover cursor, and actually using the 
trackpad to perform physical click as a sighted person would.  

Hope this will help a little.

Andrew
> On Apr 1, 2019, at 1:40 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
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> Ok,
> I seem to be running into this more and more on various websites of late: 
> edit boxes that won’t accept input and won’t provide feedback to the screen 
> reader. The latest, interestingly enough, is on google.com and their account 
> verification dialog. I had to recover an email account today, but was unable 
> to complete the process because the edit box to input the verification code 
> would not accept any input. In fact, It failed to do so on 3 separate 
> browsers (Firefox, safari and chrome). I even disabled the screen reader and 
> sought help from one of the room mates. He tried to input the code in the 
> assigned edit box and it still wouldn’t accept input.
> 
> Anyone have any clues how to get around this?
> 
> Also, I dropped an email into the google accessibility group with complete 
> details of the problem. Unknown if any of the google devs even read it and 
> there appears to be no real way to contact google otherwise. Some suggestions 
> on that also welcome.
> 
> thanks.
> 
> Eric
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Re: Voice dream scanner has been released

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!Oh, that was steam.I payed 65 Swedish krona for the app.I haven’t tried it yet./A31 mars 2019 kl. 11:31 skrev Petrus Tuerlings :Hi Mary,Yes, I noticed this when I did the update on voice dream reader, Even though it is $9.99 in New Zealand I still think it is  worth it. The more options we have to read printed text the better.Take care,Petrus On 31/03/2019, at 9:39 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:Voice stream scanner is now in the App Store, along with an updated version of voice dream reader which works together with the new scanning app. The scanning app is six dollars in the App Store, well $5.99, and is, at least in my opinion, worth it by a long shot better than KNFB Reader, for which I paid a lot more than six bucks.Sent from my iPhone-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Re: Homekit not showing up in settings, and how do I add another person to our Home

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

So, I was kind of ambivalent for a long time.  But now that I have it, I can't 
tell you how much I love just telling Siri to do stuff rather than having to 
walk over and turn off the light switch myself.  Lazy, perhaps, but cool 
nonetheless.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Apr 1, 2019, at 11:06 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   Donna thanks. It could be interesting to see if I find something I must 
> have. (grins)
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> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
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> On 3/31/2019 9:25 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hey ET,
>> If you google Compatible products with Apple Home, one result you'll get is 
>> an Apple page that lists compatible products.
>> One product that my husband and I have been particularly happy with is the 
>> Wemo smart plug.  You plug it into an outlet, and you can control all kinds 
>> of stuff with it.  It's also very easy to pair with HomeKit because you 
>> don't have to enter a code.  Many of the other products require you to enter 
>> a code, so you will need sighted assistance to set them up.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 11:17 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
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>>>   Just have to ask, how does one research products that are compatible with 
>>> HomeKit? It may be time I check it out.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 3/31/2019 8:14 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 Thanks, John and Tim.  That did it.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Mar 31, 2019, at 9:22 AM, John JD Denning  
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> It’s in the Home app. The add and edit homes  button on the top left
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 09:29, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> so I have two questions that are part of the same issue.  I'm trying to 
>> add my husband to our home in Homekit.  I read online that this is done 
>> in settings.  But when I go into settings, Home doesn't show up.  I 
>> looked through all my apps, and also under general.  Where is Homekit in 
>> Settings?
>> 
>> Second, if it isn't in settings, then the information on iMore was 
>> wrong.  How do I give my husband access to our home?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Homekit not showing up in settings, and how do I add another person to our Home

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Donna thanks. It could be interesting to see if I find something I 
must have. (grins)


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 3/31/2019 9:25 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hey ET,

If you google Compatible products with Apple Home, one result you'll get is an 
Apple page that lists compatible products.

One product that my husband and I have been particularly happy with is the Wemo 
smart plug.  You plug it into an outlet, and you can control all kinds of stuff 
with it.  It's also very easy to pair with HomeKit because you don't have to 
enter a code.  Many of the other products require you to enter a code, so you 
will need sighted assistance to set them up.
Cheers,
Donna


On Mar 31, 2019, at 11:17 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   Just have to ask, how does one research products that are compatible with 
HomeKit? It may be time I check it out.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 3/31/2019 8:14 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Thanks, John and Tim.  That did it.
Cheers,
Donna

On Mar 31, 2019, at 9:22 AM, John JD Denning  wrote:

It’s in the Home app. The add and edit homes  button on the top left

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 31, 2019, at 09:29, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi all,

so I have two questions that are part of the same issue.  I'm trying to add my 
husband to our home in Homekit.  I read online that this is done in settings.  
But when I go into settings, Home doesn't show up.  I looked through all my 
apps, and also under general.  Where is Homekit in Settings?

Second, if it isn't in settings, then the information on iMore was wrong.  How 
do I give my husband access to our home?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Jumping to links.

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Sorry, I can't reproduce this.  VO-cmd-l works for me in Safari in Mojave 
10.14.4. as it should.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 31, 2019, at 17:37, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

I upgraded to the latest Mojave  this weekend, and since then I haven't been 
able to jump to links. I'm using the VO command L keystroke and it doesn't fail 
but it doesn't go to the link either. Has anybody else able to reproduce 
especially if you haven't updated to the most recent version of Mojave that 
came out last week. 

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Re: Voice dream scanner has been released

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Its on my phone right now but i haven’t tried it out yet.
I do hope he adds apdf-scanner .
/A

> 30 mars 2019 kl. 21:39 skrev Mary Otten :
> 
> Voice stream scanner is now in the App Store, along with an updated version 
> of voice dream reader which works together with the new scanning app. The 
> scanning app is six dollars in the App Store, well $5.99, and is, at least in 
> my opinion, worth it by a long shot better than KNFB Reader, for which I paid 
> a lot more than six bucks.
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Re: How to work around edit boxes that refuse input?

[Eric Oyen]

Well, this is on my Mac mini here using a wired keyboard. I don’t have a 
trackpad here either, just the keyboard. I went back and tried some of the 
other suggestions. No joy on any of it (including option command F5). This 
appears to be a problem on googles end with some non-standard java code 
running. I have found the same situation on sites that use rafflecopter for 
their giveaways. It’s bad when even the webpages on the iPhone render the same 
way and have the same (virtually identical) problem as my Mac mini.

-Eric


> On Apr 1, 2019, at 1:05 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> This is interesting,
> 
> I get a similar issue,
> 
> I can't use my BT keyboard to enter text but I can use the on screen keyboard 
> It normally takes a bit of fiddling to get things to work correctly 
> 
> But I get constant issues / bong noises when trying to type with the bt 
> keyboard 
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Eric Oyen
> Sent: Monday, 1 April 2019 2:34 PM
> To: [MacVisionaries] 
> Subject: Re: How to work around edit boxes that refuse input?
> 
> nope. No such luck here either. It seems to make no difference whether or not 
> I interact with the edit box, it simply will not take any input. Frustrating 
> this is.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 6:16 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> sometimes interacting with the edit field helps with that at least in my 
>> experience but not always. 
>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 8:06 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What I have encountered is Dropbox when I need to sign in. I can navigate 
>>> that dialog. Voiceover does not echo when  I type in my email address or 
>>> password. Strangely, I can VO left then right again and VO will speak what 
>>> I enter. But VO is no good if I need to edit the information.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>> true?
>>> 
>>> On 3/31/2019 5:40 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
 Ok,
 I seem to be running into this more and more on various websites of late: 
 edit boxes that won’t accept input and won’t provide feedback to the 
 screen reader. The latest, interestingly enough, is on google.com and 
 their account verification dialog. I had to recover an email account 
 today, but was unable to complete the process because the edit box to 
 input the verification code would not accept any input. In fact, It failed 
 to do so on 3 separate browsers (Firefox, safari and chrome). I even 
 disabled the screen reader and sought help from one of the room mates. He 
 tried to input the code in the assigned edit box and it still wouldn’t 
 accept input.
 Anyone have any clues how to get around this?
 Also, I dropped an email into the google accessibility group with complete 
 details of the problem. Unknown if any of the google devs even read it and 
 there appears to be no real way to contact google otherwise. Some 
 suggestions on that also welcome.
 thanks.
 Eric
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Wi Fi charging QI

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Listers,

I'm looking at purchasing a new and hopefully multi device capable wireless 
charging devise.

I've currently got a Belkon 7.5w  device for my phone, but I'm looking for 
something I can charge my phone watch and earpods with.

I'm wondering what devices others might be using currently?

I've got a list of current products from another list but would like thoughts 
from  reall people not from product reviews.


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RE: Voice dream scanner has been released

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Petrus,

 Took a chance and grabbed it.

 I haven't used voice dream reader in a while but always open to new tools and 
this is sounding good from the reports.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Monday, 1 April 2019 9:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice dream scanner has been released

Yes, I found it in the NZ app store. i think it might be worth $10, but I 
haven’t purchased it yet. But I will gamble $9.99 and give it a go.

Sent from Petrus's iPhone

> On 1/04/2019, at 21:06, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
> 
> Did you find this in the NZ app store?
> 
> And do you think it's worth the money?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Monday, 1 April 2019 8:41 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Voice dream scanner has been released
> 
> Try looking for voice dream scanner, with a space between voice and dream. So 
> it is three separate words. Good luck
> 
> Sent from Petrus's iPhone
> 
>> On 1/04/2019, at 19:39, Hemachandran Karaha  wrote:
>> 
>> I can't find voicedream scanner in the App store. Kindly advise.
>> 
>> Take care all,
>> Hema.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Ryan Mann
>> Sent: 31 March 2019 08:04
>> To: viph...@googlegroups.com
>> Cc: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Voice dream scanner has been released
>> 
>> Yes they are two different apps, but not having to use the internet is a 
>> plus, so Voice Dream Scanner and Seeing AI are both good for different 
>> things.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 30, 2019, at 10:25 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I think they are two different apps. Seeing not seeing AI has many more 
>>> components to it, such as hand writing short tax documents product 
>>> identification color identification and currency identification. Voice 
>>> stream scanner is for reading documents it does not have all the other 
>>> components, so they aren’t who totally different apps in that sense.
>>> 
>>> Peggy Sent from my i phone.
>>> 
>>> ☃️, 
>>> 
 On Mar 30, 2019, at 10:11 PM, Ryan Mann  
 wrote:
 
 Do you think Voice Dream Scanner does a better job than Seeing AI or about 
 the same?
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 30, 2019, at 4:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Voice stream scanner is now in the App Store, along with an updated 
> version of voice dream reader which works together with the new scanning 
> app. The scanning app is six dollars in the App Store, well $5.99, and 
> is, at least in my opinion, worth it by a long shot better than KNFB 
> Reader, for which I paid a lot more than six bucks.
> 
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Re: Voice dream scanner has been released

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Yes, I found it in the NZ app store. i think it might be worth $10, but I 
haven’t purchased it yet. But I will gamble $9.99 and give it a go.

Sent from Petrus's iPhone

> On 1/04/2019, at 21:06, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
> 
> Did you find this in the NZ app store?
> 
> And do you think it's worth the money?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Monday, 1 April 2019 8:41 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Voice dream scanner has been released
> 
> Try looking for voice dream scanner, with a space between voice and dream. So 
> it is three separate words. Good luck
> 
> Sent from Petrus's iPhone
> 
>> On 1/04/2019, at 19:39, Hemachandran Karaha  wrote:
>> 
>> I can't find voicedream scanner in the App store. Kindly advise.
>> 
>> Take care all,
>> Hema.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Ryan Mann
>> Sent: 31 March 2019 08:04
>> To: viph...@googlegroups.com
>> Cc: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Voice dream scanner has been released
>> 
>> Yes they are two different apps, but not having to use the internet is a 
>> plus, so Voice Dream Scanner and Seeing AI are both good for different 
>> things.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 30, 2019, at 10:25 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I think they are two different apps. Seeing not seeing AI has many more 
>>> components to it, such as hand writing short tax documents product 
>>> identification color identification and currency identification. Voice 
>>> stream scanner is for reading documents it does not have all the other 
>>> components, so they aren’t who totally different apps in that sense.
>>> 
>>> Peggy Sent from my i phone.
>>> 
>>> ☃️, 
>>> 
 On Mar 30, 2019, at 10:11 PM, Ryan Mann  
 wrote:
 
 Do you think Voice Dream Scanner does a better job than Seeing AI or about 
 the same?
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 30, 2019, at 4:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Voice stream scanner is now in the App Store, along with an updated 
> version of voice dream reader which works together with the new scanning 
> app. The scanning app is six dollars in the App Store, well $5.99, and 
> is, at least in my opinion, worth it by a long shot better than KNFB 
> Reader, for which I paid a lot more than six bucks.
> 
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RE: Voice dream scanner has been released

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Petrus,

Did you find this in the NZ app store?

And do you think it's worth the money?

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Monday, 1 April 2019 8:41 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice dream scanner has been released

Try looking for voice dream scanner, with a space between voice and dream. So 
it is three separate words. Good luck

Sent from Petrus's iPhone

> On 1/04/2019, at 19:39, Hemachandran Karaha  wrote:
> 
> I can't find voicedream scanner in the App store. Kindly advise.
> 
> Take care all,
> Hema.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Ryan Mann
> Sent: 31 March 2019 08:04
> To: viph...@googlegroups.com
> Cc: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Voice dream scanner has been released
> 
> Yes they are two different apps, but not having to use the internet is a 
> plus, so Voice Dream Scanner and Seeing AI are both good for different things.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 30, 2019, at 10:25 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I think they are two different apps. Seeing not seeing AI has many more 
>> components to it, such as hand writing short tax documents product 
>> identification color identification and currency identification. Voice 
>> stream scanner is for reading documents it does not have all the other 
>> components, so they aren’t who totally different apps in that sense.
>> 
>> Peggy Sent from my i phone.
>> 
>> ☃️, 
>> 
>>> On Mar 30, 2019, at 10:11 PM, Ryan Mann  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do you think Voice Dream Scanner does a better job than Seeing AI or about 
>>> the same?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 30, 2019, at 4:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Voice stream scanner is now in the App Store, along with an updated 
 version of voice dream reader which works together with the new scanning 
 app. The scanning app is six dollars in the App Store, well $5.99, and is, 
 at least in my opinion, worth it by a long shot better than KNFB Reader, 
 for which I paid a lot more than six bucks.
 
 
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RE: How to work around edit boxes that refuse input?

[Simon Fogarty]

This is interesting,

I get a similar issue,

I can't use my BT keyboard to enter text but I can use the on screen keyboard 
 It normally takes a bit of fiddling to get things to work correctly 

But I get constant issues / bong noises when trying to type with the bt 
keyboard 
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Eric Oyen
Sent: Monday, 1 April 2019 2:34 PM
To: [MacVisionaries] 
Subject: Re: How to work around edit boxes that refuse input?

nope. No such luck here either. It seems to make no difference whether or not I 
interact with the edit box, it simply will not take any input. Frustrating this 
is.

-Eric


> On Mar 31, 2019, at 6:16 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> sometimes interacting with the edit field helps with that at least in my 
> experience but not always. 
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 8:06 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  What I have encountered is Dropbox when I need to sign in. I can navigate 
>> that dialog. Voiceover does not echo when  I type in my email address or 
>> password. Strangely, I can VO left then right again and VO will speak what I 
>> enter. But VO is no good if I need to edit the information.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>> true?
>> 
>> On 3/31/2019 5:40 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>> Ok,
>>> I seem to be running into this more and more on various websites of late: 
>>> edit boxes that won’t accept input and won’t provide feedback to the screen 
>>> reader. The latest, interestingly enough, is on google.com and their 
>>> account verification dialog. I had to recover an email account today, but 
>>> was unable to complete the process because the edit box to input the 
>>> verification code would not accept any input. In fact, It failed to do so 
>>> on 3 separate browsers (Firefox, safari and chrome). I even disabled the 
>>> screen reader and sought help from one of the room mates. He tried to input 
>>> the code in the assigned edit box and it still wouldn’t accept input.
>>> Anyone have any clues how to get around this?
>>> Also, I dropped an email into the google accessibility group with complete 
>>> details of the problem. Unknown if any of the google devs even read it and 
>>> there appears to be no real way to contact google otherwise. Some 
>>> suggestions on that also welcome.
>>> thanks.
>>> Eric
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RE: Finding modem mac address?

[Simon Fogarty]

I also wondered if the device might have a label with required information on 
it somewhere?

Again that would require some sighted assistance


From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Monday, 1 April 2019 12:04 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Finding modem mac address?

Hi,

If you can connect to the device via the web and have the Admin credentials, 
you should be able to get its MAC Address via the web portal.  No need for 
Terminal.  Either way, you're going to need to connect to it in some manner, 
otherwise, you'll need sighted assistance.

Later...
 Z
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 31, 2019, at 16:33, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
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Dear List,
I have a modem that I want to use with Comcast.
There is no sticker on the modem. It was on a piece of paper, and I can’t find 
it.
So is there a way to find the mac address of the NetGear modem using a terminal 
command?
Thanks in advance,
Rob

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RE: Why you should pick up the 2017 10.5-inch iPad Pro instead of the new iPad Air, Apple Insider

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah I got the same issue deciding on the iPad mini or the 11" iPad pro.

  The pro has the folio smart keyboard and the mini needs a Bluetooth keyboard.
If the iPad mini came with a smart keyboard I'd have no choice to make, 
So it looks like the pro to me.

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Subject: Why you should pick up the 2017 10.5-inch iPad Pro instead of the new 
iPad Air, Apple Insider

Why you should pick up the 2017 10.5-inch iPad Pro instead of the new iPad Air
By: Mark Linsangan
Sunday, March 31, 2019 11:41 AM 

A couple of weeks ago, Apple quietly announced a new iPad Air. This new third 
generation Air now features Apple's latest A12 Bionic processor, a laminated 
Retina display and now supports the first generation Apple Pencil and Smart 
Keyboard. But should you buy this over the 2017 10.5" iPad Pro?

The new 2019 iPad Air retails for $499 and goes all the way up to $779 for a 
256GB, Wi-Fi and cellular model. We've been using this iPad as our daily tablet 
for the past few days to watch YouTube videos or catch up on some shows on 
Hulu, answer emails and doodle some artworks for fun. Before Apple announced 
this new Air we regularly used the 10.5-inch iPad Pro from 2017 which 
physically looks identical to this new iPad Air, minus an extra set of speakers 
at the top, and a camera flash on the back.

This new iPad Air, as we mentioned, has new internals. It's using the A12 
Bionic processor found in iPhone XR, XS, XS Max, and the new iPad mini 5 so 
it's reliable, and fast. I didn't notice any slowdowns whatsoever during my 
testing. 

It also has a new display that's more color accurate and one that looks way 
better than any of the previous models. It also now supports the first 
generation Apple Pencil.

The two speakers are powerful and loud, as they have always been on an iPad.
But, like with most iPads, you're likely going to cover at least one speaker 
with your hand, muffling the sound a bit.

The new Air also features a smart connector on the right hand side of the 
device to use Apple's Smart Keyboard. We think it's the best keyboard you can 
buy for the iPad, even though it feels a bit mushy at times, but for whatever 
reason, this feels right to us. There are hundreds of Bluetooth keyboards 
available on the market, but if you're looking for the best, the Smart Keyboard 
is the one you should consider buying.

The new iPad Air is pretty great. You're getting a really fast processor, 
amazing display, first party keyboard support. 

Despite all this, right now, you should really look into getting a 2017 
10.5-inch iPad Pro instead.

With the iPad Pro, you're getting ProMotion display which gives you a 120Hz 
refresh rate versus the 60Hz found on the Air. This makes the UI feel more 
responsive to your touch and has some other niceties when drawing with an Apple 
Pencil.

Two, you're getting an extra pair of speakers which is notably better for 
consuming media or playing music -and if you cover one with a hand, you lose 
less than you are if you cover one of two speakers on the iPad Air. And, you're 
also getting a slightly better rear camera with an LED flash if iPad 
photography is your thing.

The difference in processing power between the A10X Fusion and A12 Bionic is 
slight, but the A12 Bionic has a lead. Regardless, the A10X on the 10.5-inch 
iPad Pro is still a powerful processor that can handle anything you throw at 
it. From Pro apps to graphic intensive games, you're not going to be 
disappointed with either model's performance.

Both models support the first generation Apple Pencil, so this is a dead heat. 
Unless you use the half-inch Lightning adapter, you've still got to hang the 
Apple Pencil off the iPad like an expensive lollipop stick, instead of the 
magnetic wireless charging on the 2018 iPad Pro lineup.

Geekbench scores shows that the new iPad Air scored 4765 in single core and
11379 in multi core while the 10.5-inch iPad Pro scored 3916 in single core and 
9346 in multi core. In the real world, the Pro model also has 4GB of RAM vs 3GB 
found on the 2019 Air, which means that more apps can be stored in RAM, and not 
dumped when things get tight.

The price between the two are really close and sometimes, you can even find the 
older 10.5-inch Pro model at a much lower price than the newly announced Air.

If you're looking to purchase your first iPad and you don't want the new iPad 
mini or the regular 9.7-inch iPad or just don't have enough money to buy the 
new 11-inch or 12.9-inch Pro models, look into the 2017 iPad Pro.
It's almost the same price, if not a bit less expensive than the new 2019 iPad 
Air, plus you're getting a much better display with ProMotion, four speakers, 
and a slightly better camera.

Where to buy
Apple authorized resellers are currently accepting orders for the new 2019 iPad 
Air and iPad mini 5.

Re: Voice dream scanner has been released

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Try looking for voice dream scanner, with a space between voice and dream. So 
it is three separate words. Good luck

Sent from Petrus's iPhone

> On 1/04/2019, at 19:39, Hemachandran Karaha  wrote:
> 
> I can't find voicedream scanner in the App store. Kindly advise.
> 
> Take care all,
> Hema.
> 
> 
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> Behalf Of Ryan Mann
> Sent: 31 March 2019 08:04
> To: viph...@googlegroups.com
> Cc: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Voice dream scanner has been released
> 
> Yes they are two different apps, but not having to use the internet is a 
> plus, so Voice Dream Scanner and Seeing AI are both good for different things.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 30, 2019, at 10:25 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I think they are two different apps. Seeing not seeing AI has many more 
>> components to it, such as hand writing short tax documents product 
>> identification color identification and currency identification. Voice 
>> stream scanner is for reading documents it does not have all the other 
>> components, so they aren’t who totally different apps in that sense.
>> 
>> Peggy Sent from my i phone.
>> 
>> ☃️, 
>> 
>>> On Mar 30, 2019, at 10:11 PM, Ryan Mann  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do you think Voice Dream Scanner does a better job than Seeing AI or about 
>>> the same?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 30, 2019, at 4:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Voice stream scanner is now in the App Store, along with an updated 
 version of voice dream reader which works together with the new scanning 
 app. The scanning app is six dollars in the App Store, well $5.99, and is, 
 at least in my opinion, worth it by a long shot better than KNFB Reader, 
 for which I paid a lot more than six bucks.
 
 
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RE: Voice dream scanner has been released

[Hemachandran Karaha]

I can't find voicedream scanner in the App store. Kindly advise.

Take care all,
Hema.


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Subject: Re: Voice dream scanner has been released

Yes they are two different apps, but not having to use the internet is a plus, 
so Voice Dream Scanner and Seeing AI are both good for different things.


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> On Mar 30, 2019, at 10:25 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> I think they are two different apps. Seeing not seeing AI has many more 
> components to it, such as hand writing short tax documents product 
> identification color identification and currency identification. Voice stream 
> scanner is for reading documents it does not have all the other components, 
> so they aren’t who totally different apps in that sense.
> 
> Peggy Sent from my i phone.
> 
> ☃️, 
> 
>> On Mar 30, 2019, at 10:11 PM, Ryan Mann  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Do you think Voice Dream Scanner does a better job than Seeing AI or about 
>> the same?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 30, 2019, at 4:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Voice stream scanner is now in the App Store, along with an updated version 
>>> of voice dream reader which works together with the new scanning app. The 
>>> scanning app is six dollars in the App Store, well $5.99, and is, at least 
>>> in my opinion, worth it by a long shot better than KNFB Reader, for which I 
>>> paid a lot more than six bucks.
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