Re: Text Editors for Mac

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

Simon,
   I don't know what that is but have been trying different things and 
have determined I should avoid plain text formats. So I went to .rtf 
which may do it. TextEdit will open that on the Mac and edited the 
document in TextEdit then viewed it under Windows in MS Word and it came 
through fine.


   The only hitch is on the iPhone when I access the document via the 
Files app, Voice Dream Reader launches. I don't want that. I do have MS 
Word which I ma need to activate, and Pages as well. I will activate MS 
Word and see what happens. Using iCloud Drive I wish to make life easy 
for me (smiles) and be able to read and edit as needed on any platform.


   Hmm, Mac Vim. Will look at that too but if I can work around Voice 
Dream Reader I will have it nailed down.


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On 4/27/2019 9:15 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Thanks Yuma,

Good to know they have a mac version.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Yuma Decaux
Sent: Sunday, 28 April 2019 4:15 PM
To: da...@unwiredmind.com 
Subject: Re: Text Editors for Mac

Try mac vim. it works pretty well. At least on the latest version I got which 
was 7.x





On 28 Apr 2019, at 2:00 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

HI ET,

Is there a version of VIM or VI that would work on the mac?

These are linux text editors I'm just wondering if something like that might 
work for you.

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Sent: Sunday, 28 April 2019 8:00 AM
To: MacVisionaries 
Subject: Text Editors for Mac

I am taking a different path to see if I can easily create or edit text 
files on the Mac that will read correctly in Windows.

TwctEdit does not insert the CR and LF codes needed by Windows. I do not 
want to take extra steps to work around this such as using LineBreak which was 
last updated in 2008. If I can save files as .txt in Pages that may work but 
again, that means extra work.

So I am looking for accessible (and free) text editors for the Mac that 
just might work.

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Re: Text Editors for Mac

[Oriol Gómez Sentís]

I use code runner. if you do programming, its your best option. It has a built 
in console which runs your code or markdown.

Sent from iPhone.

> El 28 abr 2019, a las 6:15, Simon Fogarty  escribió:
> 
> Thanks Yuma,
> 
> Good to know they have a mac version.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Yuma Decaux
> Sent: Sunday, 28 April 2019 4:15 PM
> To: da...@unwiredmind.com 
> Subject: Re: Text Editors for Mac
> 
> Try mac vim. it works pretty well. At least on the latest version I got which 
> was 7.x 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 28 Apr 2019, at 2:00 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> HI ET,
>> 
>> Is there a version of VIM or VI that would work on the mac?
>> 
>> These are linux text editors I'm just wondering if something like that might 
>> work for you.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> Sent: Sunday, 28 April 2019 8:00 AM
>> To: MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Text Editors for Mac
>> 
>>   I am taking a different path to see if I can easily create or edit text 
>> files on the Mac that will read correctly in Windows.
>> 
>>   TwctEdit does not insert the CR and LF codes needed by Windows. I do not 
>> want to take extra steps to work around this such as using LineBreak which 
>> was last updated in 2008. If I can save files as .txt in Pages that may work 
>> but again, that means extra work.
>> 
>>   So I am looking for accessible (and free) text editors for the Mac that 
>> just might work.
>> 
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Re: Text Editors for Mac

[Yuma Decaux]

Try mac vim. it works pretty well. At least on the latest version I got which 
was 7.x 




> On 28 Apr 2019, at 2:00 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> HI ET,
> 
> Is there a version of VIM or VI that would work on the mac?
> 
> These are linux text editors I'm just wondering if something like that might 
> work for you.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Sunday, 28 April 2019 8:00 AM
> To: MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Text Editors for Mac
> 
>I am taking a different path to see if I can easily create or edit text 
> files on the Mac that will read correctly in Windows.
> 
>TwctEdit does not insert the CR and LF codes needed by Windows. I do not 
> want to take extra steps to work around this such as using LineBreak which 
> was last updated in 2008. If I can save files as .txt in Pages that may work 
> but again, that means extra work.
> 
>So I am looking for accessible (and free) text editors for the Mac that 
> just might work.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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RE: Text Editors for Mac

[Simon Fogarty]

Thanks Yuma,

Good to know they have a mac version.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Yuma Decaux
Sent: Sunday, 28 April 2019 4:15 PM
To: da...@unwiredmind.com 
Subject: Re: Text Editors for Mac

Try mac vim. it works pretty well. At least on the latest version I got which 
was 7.x 




> On 28 Apr 2019, at 2:00 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> HI ET,
> 
> Is there a version of VIM or VI that would work on the mac?
> 
> These are linux text editors I'm just wondering if something like that might 
> work for you.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> Sent: Sunday, 28 April 2019 8:00 AM
> To: MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Text Editors for Mac
> 
>I am taking a different path to see if I can easily create or edit text 
> files on the Mac that will read correctly in Windows.
> 
>TwctEdit does not insert the CR and LF codes needed by Windows. I do not 
> want to take extra steps to work around this such as using LineBreak which 
> was last updated in 2008. If I can save files as .txt in Pages that may work 
> but again, that means extra work.
> 
>So I am looking for accessible (and free) text editors for the Mac that 
> just might work.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> true?
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Re: Safari web experience getting less and less satisfying

[Yuma Decaux]

Thanks for the suggestion Simon, Will check them out 



> On 28 Apr 2019, at 2:11 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> There is also chrome and Microsoft edge for the iPhone and both are pretty 
> easy to use 
> 
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> Behalf Of Sharon Hooley
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Safari web experience getting less and less satisfying
> 
> I now use Firefox on my iPhone.  It's rather inconvenient to have to copy the 
> address of a the website that came with an email address, but that's how I 
> manage.
> 
> Hth,
> 
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>> On Apr 27, 2019, at 6:15 PM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for confirming. I actually forgot to mention this is for IOS devices. 
>> the experience is less than stellar.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 28 Apr 2019, at 9:55 am, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> yes to some extent I'm having the same experience. I'm not sure if forms 
>>> are changing and Safari accessibility isn't changing with them or what I've 
>>> notice that sometimes a mouse click: vo-shift-space, will do the job if 
>>> enter or vo-space doesn't. 
>>> 
>>> Lorie
>>> 
 On Apr 27, 2019, at 4:18 PM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone,
 
 I'm trying to do some simple things like shopping for a jacket, looking at 
 diffferent websites, and I've noticed that a lot of forms don't work or do 
 what they are expected to. Like simple popup buttons, search text fields 
 or normal text fields. It's getting pretty shoddy at this point, and 
 putting me off from doing anything on the web outside of reading.
 
 Is anyone experiencing this?
 
 have a great sunday
 
 
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RE: Safari web experience getting less and less satisfying

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Yuma,

Both very usable with VO

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Yuma Decaux
Sent: Sunday, 28 April 2019 4:14 PM
To: da...@unwiredmind.com 
Subject: Re: Safari web experience getting less and less satisfying

Thanks for the suggestion Simon, Will check them out 



> On 28 Apr 2019, at 2:11 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> There is also chrome and Microsoft edge for the iPhone and both are 
> pretty easy to use
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of Sharon Hooley
> Sent: Sunday, 28 April 2019 4:00 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Safari web experience getting less and less satisfying
> 
> I now use Firefox on my iPhone.  It's rather inconvenient to have to copy the 
> address of a the website that came with an email address, but that's how I 
> manage.
> 
> Hth,
> 
> 
> Is it hard to communicate, even with hearing aids?  Visit 
> www.CochlearAmericas.com
> 
>> On Apr 27, 2019, at 6:15 PM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for confirming. I actually forgot to mention this is for IOS devices. 
>> the experience is less than stellar.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 28 Apr 2019, at 9:55 am, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> yes to some extent I'm having the same experience. I'm not sure if forms 
>>> are changing and Safari accessibility isn't changing with them or what I've 
>>> notice that sometimes a mouse click: vo-shift-space, will do the job if 
>>> enter or vo-space doesn't. 
>>> 
>>> Lorie
>>> 
 On Apr 27, 2019, at 4:18 PM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone,
 
 I'm trying to do some simple things like shopping for a jacket, looking at 
 diffferent websites, and I've noticed that a lot of forms don't work or do 
 what they are expected to. Like simple popup buttons, search text fields 
 or normal text fields. It's getting pretty shoddy at this point, and 
 putting me off from doing anything on the web outside of reading.
 
 Is anyone experiencing this?
 
 have a great sunday
 
 
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RE: Safari web experience getting less and less satisfying

[Simon Fogarty]

There is also chrome and Microsoft edge for the iPhone and both are pretty easy 
to use 

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Subject: Re: Safari web experience getting less and less satisfying

I now use Firefox on my iPhone.  It's rather inconvenient to have to copy the 
address of a the website that came with an email address, but that's how I 
manage.

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> On Apr 27, 2019, at 6:15 PM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for confirming. I actually forgot to mention this is for IOS devices. 
> the experience is less than stellar.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 28 Apr 2019, at 9:55 am, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> yes to some extent I'm having the same experience. I'm not sure if forms are 
>> changing and Safari accessibility isn't changing with them or what I've 
>> notice that sometimes a mouse click: vo-shift-space, will do the job if 
>> enter or vo-space doesn't. 
>> 
>> Lorie
>> 
>>> On Apr 27, 2019, at 4:18 PM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> 
>>> I'm trying to do some simple things like shopping for a jacket, looking at 
>>> diffferent websites, and I've noticed that a lot of forms don't work or do 
>>> what they are expected to. Like simple popup buttons, search text fields or 
>>> normal text fields. It's getting pretty shoddy at this point, and putting 
>>> me off from doing anything on the web outside of reading.
>>> 
>>> Is anyone experiencing this?
>>> 
>>> have a great sunday
>>> 
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RE: Safari web experience getting less and less satisfying

[Simon Fogarty]

Have you by any chance tried chrome for these things.

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Sent: Sunday, 28 April 2019 11:55 AM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Safari web experience getting less and less satisfying

yes to some extent I'm having the same experience. I'm not sure if forms are 
changing and Safari accessibility isn't changing with them or what I've notice 
that sometimes a mouse click: vo-shift-space, will do the job if enter or 
vo-space doesn't. 

Lorie

> On Apr 27, 2019, at 4:18 PM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I'm trying to do some simple things like shopping for a jacket, looking at 
> diffferent websites, and I've noticed that a lot of forms don't work or do 
> what they are expected to. Like simple popup buttons, search text fields or 
> normal text fields. It's getting pretty shoddy at this point, and putting me 
> off from doing anything on the web outside of reading.
> 
> Is anyone experiencing this?
> 
> have a great sunday 
> 
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Re: Safari web experience getting less and less satisfying

[Sharon Hooley]

I now use Firefox on my iPhone.  It's rather inconvenient to have to copy the 
address of a the website that came with an email address, but that's how I 
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> On Apr 27, 2019, at 6:15 PM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for confirming. I actually forgot to mention this is for IOS devices. 
> the experience is less than stellar.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 28 Apr 2019, at 9:55 am, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> yes to some extent I'm having the same experience. I'm not sure if forms are 
>> changing and Safari accessibility isn't changing with them or what I've 
>> notice that sometimes a mouse click: vo-shift-space, will do the job if 
>> enter or vo-space doesn't. 
>> 
>> Lorie
>> 
>>> On Apr 27, 2019, at 4:18 PM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> 
>>> I'm trying to do some simple things like shopping for a jacket, looking at 
>>> diffferent websites, and I've noticed that a lot of forms don't work or do 
>>> what they are expected to. Like simple popup buttons, search text fields or 
>>> normal text fields. It's getting pretty shoddy at this point, and putting 
>>> me off from doing anything on the web outside of reading.
>>> 
>>> Is anyone experiencing this?
>>> 
>>> have a great sunday 
>>> 
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RE: Text Editors for Mac

[Simon Fogarty]

HI ET,

Is there a version of VIM or VI that would work on the mac?

These are linux text editors I'm just wondering if something like that might 
work for you.

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Subject: Text Editors for Mac

I am taking a different path to see if I can easily create or edit text 
files on the Mac that will read correctly in Windows.

TwctEdit does not insert the CR and LF codes needed by Windows. I do not 
want to take extra steps to work around this such as using LineBreak which was 
last updated in 2008. If I can save files as .txt in Pages that may work but 
again, that means extra work.

So I am looking for accessible (and free) text editors for the Mac that 
just might work.

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RE: Mark's Recommendation for a Great iPad Screen Protector

[Simon Fogarty]

It's just words Kawal,

Each to their own,

I had a glass protective sheet fitted to my ipad pro today.

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Sent: Sunday, 28 April 2019 5:26 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark's Recommendation for a Great iPad Screen Protector

Hello.

What I don’t understand is why do people say that they are going to install a 
glass protector on such and such a device. Because I don’t think you are going 
to install anything on your device unless it’s software related. What he really 
should be saying is that you are going to cover your device with a glass 
protector.


Kawal.
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> On 27 Apr 2019, at 9:16 am, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Thanks for this,
> 
> I've been looking today for one for my new iPad Pro 11".
> 
> Then after playing with the new folio keyboard I can tell that actually 
> having to touch the screen will be limited due to the shortcut keys included 
> in the smart keyboards.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Saturday, 27 April 2019 4:37 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Mark's Recommendation for a Great iPad Screen Protector
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Recently, I purchased a 10.5 inch iPad Pro.
> 
> Even though the device has a marvelous retina display, I began to regret 
> touching it primarily because of the fact that it seems to attract dust and 
> finger-oil particles and smudges more than any other Apple device I've ever 
> owned.  I checked with a buddy of mine, at the Apple Store, and he readily 
> concurred with my finding.  
> 
> In short, unlike with my beloved iPhone 8 Plus, with its tempered glass 
> screen protector onboard, my fingers would not slide smoothly across the 
> surface of the iPad Pro because of the rapid buildup of dust and oil 
> particles.
> 
> So, after conducting much research, I came across a tempered glass screen 
> protector for my iPad Pro for a little less than $10.
> 
> I have been using it for a couple of days, now, and it is absolutely 
> fantastic.  In fact, I would say that the iPad Pro display is now as 
> enjoyable to touch as my 8 Plus in that my fingers slide smoothly across the 
> surface because there is no longer any rapid buildup of dust and oil 
> particles.
> 
> I am going to post a link to the iPad 10.5 Pro product as it is listed on 
> Amazon but please note that the company does make tempered glass screen 
> protectors for virtually all of the iPad product lines.
> 
> Also note that, while the product is easy to install, I recommend that you 
> have a sighted person perform the installation.  Based on my experience, all 
> things being equal, including the cleaning of your iPad display, installation 
> could take anywhere from 5 to 20 minutes.  
> 
> Good Luck and Enjoy,
> 
> Mark
> 
> Product Description:  
> amFilm Glass Screen Protector for iPad Air 3 (2019) 10.5 inch, iPad Pro 10.5
> (2017) (2 Pack) Tempered Glass, Apple Pencil Compatible.
> 
> On Amazon at:
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Re: Safari web experience getting less and less satisfying

[Katie Zodrow]

I haven't noticed too many problems with using Safari recently on my iPhone. 
Sometimes, I might not always be in the correct form field, but that doesn't 
happen to often. When I'm on my Mac and go to different websites, sometimes the 
site takes forever to load. If I'm trying to read an article, Voiceover says 
Safari busy because it's still loading the page. I'm using an older Mac, so 
that might be the problem. I'm not sure. Other than that, I haven't had 
problems using Safari on either device.
Katie

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 27, 2019, at 5:43 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I can’t say that I’ve noticed a large deterioration with the Safari and 
> forms. I have certainly had issues with some, but that has always been the 
> case. And even on a PC or before on a Mac, I have had problems with various 
> things at various times. Generally speaking, I really appreciate this safari 
> iOS web experience.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 27, 2019, at 5:15 PM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for confirming. I actually forgot to mention this is for IOS devices. 
>> the experience is less than stellar.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 28 Apr 2019, at 9:55 am, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> yes to some extent I'm having the same experience. I'm not sure if forms 
>>> are changing and Safari accessibility isn't changing with them or what I've 
>>> notice that sometimes a mouse click: vo-shift-space, will do the job if 
>>> enter or vo-space doesn't. 
>>> 
>>> Lorie
>>> 
 On Apr 27, 2019, at 4:18 PM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone,
 
 I'm trying to do some simple things like shopping for a jacket, looking at 
 diffferent websites, and I've noticed that a lot of forms don't work or do 
 what they are expected to. Like simple popup buttons, search text fields 
 or normal text fields. It's getting pretty shoddy at this point, and 
 putting me off from doing anything on the web outside of reading.
 
 Is anyone experiencing this?
 
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Re: Safari web experience getting less and less satisfying

[Lorie McCloud]

oh, I was speaking of on a Mac. the problem I'm having with IOS concerns the 
facebook app. when I tap on an entry to read an article, it loads and it'll 
read if I find the first heading and swipe down but if I touch the screen 
anywhere it doesn't say anything. if the reading gets stuck on an advertisement 
that means I can't read the article because I can't find my place by touching 
the screen and hearing text as I used to be able to.
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> On Apr 27, 2019, at 7:15 PM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for confirming. I actually forgot to mention this is for IOS devices. 
> the experience is less than stellar.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 28 Apr 2019, at 9:55 am, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> yes to some extent I'm having the same experience. I'm not sure if forms are 
>> changing and Safari accessibility isn't changing with them or what I've 
>> notice that sometimes a mouse click: vo-shift-space, will do the job if 
>> enter or vo-space doesn't. 
>> 
>> Lorie
>> 
>>> On Apr 27, 2019, at 4:18 PM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> 
>>> I'm trying to do some simple things like shopping for a jacket, looking at 
>>> diffferent websites, and I've noticed that a lot of forms don't work or do 
>>> what they are expected to. Like simple popup buttons, search text fields or 
>>> normal text fields. It's getting pretty shoddy at this point, and putting 
>>> me off from doing anything on the web outside of reading.
>>> 
>>> Is anyone experiencing this?
>>> 
>>> have a great sunday 
>>> 
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Re: Safari web experience getting less and less satisfying

[Mary Otten]

I can’t say that I’ve noticed a large deterioration with the Safari and forms. 
I have certainly had issues with some, but that has always been the case. And 
even on a PC or before on a Mac, I have had problems with various things at 
various times. Generally speaking, I really appreciate this safari iOS web 
experience.


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> On Apr 27, 2019, at 5:15 PM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for confirming. I actually forgot to mention this is for IOS devices. 
> the experience is less than stellar.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 28 Apr 2019, at 9:55 am, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> yes to some extent I'm having the same experience. I'm not sure if forms are 
>> changing and Safari accessibility isn't changing with them or what I've 
>> notice that sometimes a mouse click: vo-shift-space, will do the job if 
>> enter or vo-space doesn't. 
>> 
>> Lorie
>> 
>>> On Apr 27, 2019, at 4:18 PM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> 
>>> I'm trying to do some simple things like shopping for a jacket, looking at 
>>> diffferent websites, and I've noticed that a lot of forms don't work or do 
>>> what they are expected to. Like simple popup buttons, search text fields or 
>>> normal text fields. It's getting pretty shoddy at this point, and putting 
>>> me off from doing anything on the web outside of reading.
>>> 
>>> Is anyone experiencing this?
>>> 
>>> have a great sunday 
>>> 
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Re: Safari web experience getting less and less satisfying

[Yuma Decaux]

Thanks for confirming. I actually forgot to mention this is for IOS devices. 
the experience is less than stellar.




> On 28 Apr 2019, at 9:55 am, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> yes to some extent I'm having the same experience. I'm not sure if forms are 
> changing and Safari accessibility isn't changing with them or what I've 
> notice that sometimes a mouse click: vo-shift-space, will do the job if enter 
> or vo-space doesn't. 
> 
> Lorie
> 
>> On Apr 27, 2019, at 4:18 PM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> 
>> I'm trying to do some simple things like shopping for a jacket, looking at 
>> diffferent websites, and I've noticed that a lot of forms don't work or do 
>> what they are expected to. Like simple popup buttons, search text fields or 
>> normal text fields. It's getting pretty shoddy at this point, and putting me 
>> off from doing anything on the web outside of reading.
>> 
>> Is anyone experiencing this?
>> 
>> have a great sunday 
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Re: Safari web experience getting less and less satisfying

[Lorie McCloud]

yes to some extent I'm having the same experience. I'm not sure if forms are 
changing and Safari accessibility isn't changing with them or what I've notice 
that sometimes a mouse click: vo-shift-space, will do the job if enter or 
vo-space doesn't. 

Lorie

> On Apr 27, 2019, at 4:18 PM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
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> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I'm trying to do some simple things like shopping for a jacket, looking at 
> diffferent websites, and I've noticed that a lot of forms don't work or do 
> what they are expected to. Like simple popup buttons, search text fields or 
> normal text fields. It's getting pretty shoddy at this point, and putting me 
> off from doing anything on the web outside of reading.
> 
> Is anyone experiencing this?
> 
> have a great sunday 
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Safari web experience getting less and less satisfying

[Yuma Decaux]

Hi Everyone,

I'm trying to do some simple things like shopping for a jacket, looking at 
diffferent websites, and I've noticed that a lot of forms don't work or do what 
they are expected to. Like simple popup buttons, search text fields or normal 
text fields. It's getting pretty shoddy at this point, and putting me off from 
doing anything on the web outside of reading.

Is anyone experiencing this?

have a great sunday 


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More on the Primephonic app accessibility issues

[Mary Otten]

Hi folks,
For those of you who are considering the Primephonic app, if you do decide to 
sign up, you will get an email from them welcoming you to their service. That 
email includes a support address. There are accessibility issues with this app 
on the homepage. Or I should say perhaps the home tab. They have sections for 
new releases, daily recommendations, etc. Those are pictures. Sometimes, 
voiceover will find some text, but not always. If you double tap on one of the 
blank spaces, you will be taken to the corresponding album. But that is not a 
good way to find out what you’re tapping on. I just sent them a support request 
pointing out the problem, praising them for the good parts of the app, and 
requesting that they provide labels on their pictures in the recommendations 
section. I hope others who download the app and like it, will join me and 
making this request. It’s still a useful app, but if they fix this problem, it 
will really be awesome.
Mary


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Text Editors for Mac

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   I am taking a different path to see if I can easily create or edit 
text files on the Mac that will read correctly in Windows.


   TwctEdit does not insert the CR and LF codes needed by Windows. I do 
not want to take extra steps to work around this such as using LineBreak 
which was last updated in 2008. If I can save files as .txt in Pages 
that may work but again, that means extra work.


   So I am looking for accessible (and free) text editors for the Mac 
that just might work.


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Re: App Specific Passwords

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   You actually do not need an app for this. Just go through the steps 
to create the password. Then try to get Voiceover to find the dialog and 
copy the password. When you are done, you can go to View History to 
remove any passwords that were created.


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On 4/27/2019 10:36 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
Can you give an example app? I am interested in trying to crack this 
problem.



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Hi,

It seems to be creating a "fly out" web dialog that VO is not gaining 
access to for some reason.  Using an iPhone or iPad seems to be OK, 
but Safari on the Mac is being uncooperative.  Usually, those web 
dialogs gain focus right away, but I have had occasion to find them 
hard to locate.  I suggest you get on Apple Accessibility's case.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 24, 2019, at 09:04, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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  This is for any third party app that needs access to Apple services 
such as iCloud. You log into Apple id then in the Security area is App 
Specific Passwords where you generate a password to be copied and 
pasted into that third party app.


  I cannot figure out how to find the password that was generated. 
Apple did some strange things in Mojave.


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Hi,
Is this for Google environment stuff, or something else?  App 
Specific passwords are only needed for certain non-secure apps in the 
Google world.  Most stock Apple apps like Mail no longer require App 
Specific passwords.

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On Apr 24, 2019, at 00:07, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 
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  This is needed when two factor authentication is turned on. After 
entering a label then pressing the Create button, I could not locate 
the created password. I don't know if any recent updates changed how 
this is done under macOS 10.14.4 but I sure would like to know what 
works for others.

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RE: Mark's Recommendation for a Great iPad Screen Protector

[M. Taylor]

Hello Kawal,

A screen protector is considered to be installed because it becomes a permanent 
part of the device.  In fact, if you think about it, a screen protector is, 
more likely than not, more permanent than any app because an app may be, quote, 
uninstalled, quote, on a whim.

A cover, on the other hand, implies a more temporary state; for example, one 
may cover a device to protect it from the rain.

Regardless, it's just a matter of semantics and as the saying goes, to each, 
his, or in this case, her, own.  (smile.)

Mark 

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Subject: Re: Mark's Recommendation for a Great iPad Screen Protector

Hello.

What I don’t understand is why do people say that they are going to install a 
glass protector on such and such a device. Because I don’t think you are going 
to install anything on your device unless it’s software related. What he really 
should be saying is that you are going to cover your device with a glass 
protector.


Kawal.
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> On 27 Apr 2019, at 9:16 am, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi Mark,
> 
> Thanks for this,
> 
> I've been looking today for one for my new iPad Pro 11".
> 
> Then after playing with the new folio keyboard I can tell that actually 
> having to touch the screen will be limited due to the shortcut keys included 
> in the smart keyboards.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Saturday, 27 April 2019 4:37 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Mark's Recommendation for a Great iPad Screen Protector
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Recently, I purchased a 10.5 inch iPad Pro.
> 
> Even though the device has a marvelous retina display, I began to regret 
> touching it primarily because of the fact that it seems to attract dust and 
> finger-oil particles and smudges more than any other Apple device I've ever 
> owned.  I checked with a buddy of mine, at the Apple Store, and he readily 
> concurred with my finding.  
> 
> In short, unlike with my beloved iPhone 8 Plus, with its tempered glass 
> screen protector onboard, my fingers would not slide smoothly across the 
> surface of the iPad Pro because of the rapid buildup of dust and oil 
> particles.
> 
> So, after conducting much research, I came across a tempered glass screen 
> protector for my iPad Pro for a little less than $10.
> 
> I have been using it for a couple of days, now, and it is absolutely 
> fantastic.  In fact, I would say that the iPad Pro display is now as 
> enjoyable to touch as my 8 Plus in that my fingers slide smoothly across the 
> surface because there is no longer any rapid buildup of dust and oil 
> particles.
> 
> I am going to post a link to the iPad 10.5 Pro product as it is listed on 
> Amazon but please note that the company does make tempered glass screen 
> protectors for virtually all of the iPad product lines.
> 
> Also note that, while the product is easy to install, I recommend that you 
> have a sighted person perform the installation.  Based on my experience, all 
> things being equal, including the cleaning of your iPad display, installation 
> could take anywhere from 5 to 20 minutes.  
> 
> Good Luck and Enjoy,
> 
> Mark
> 
> Product Description:  
> amFilm Glass Screen Protector for iPad Air 3 (2019) 10.5 inch, iPad Pro 10.5
> (2017) (2 Pack) Tempered Glass, Apple Pencil Compatible.
> 
> On Amazon at:
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071ZFR7G2/ref=cm_sw_r_em_tai_c_dU8WCbNMXSDER
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Re: Mark's Recommendation for a Great iPad Screen Protector

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Oh, you Brit's just don't understand true American, you think just because we 
stole 95 percent of our language from you that everything is the same.
 

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> On Apr 27, 2019, at 1:25 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> 
> What I don’t understand is why do people say that they are going to install a 
> glass protector on such and such a device. Because I don’t think you are 
> going to install anything on your device unless it’s software related. What 
> he really should be saying is that you are going to cover your device with a 
> glass protector.
> 
> 
> Kawal.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 27 Apr 2019, at 9:16 am, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> Thanks for this,
>> 
>> I've been looking today for one for my new iPad Pro 11".
>> 
>> Then after playing with the new folio keyboard I can tell that actually 
>> having to touch the screen will be limited due to the shortcut keys included 
>> in the smart keyboards.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Saturday, 27 April 2019 4:37 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Mark's Recommendation for a Great iPad Screen Protector
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> Recently, I purchased a 10.5 inch iPad Pro.
>> 
>> Even though the device has a marvelous retina display, I began to regret 
>> touching it primarily because of the fact that it seems to attract dust and 
>> finger-oil particles and smudges more than any other Apple device I've ever 
>> owned.  I checked with a buddy of mine, at the Apple Store, and he readily 
>> concurred with my finding.  
>> 
>> In short, unlike with my beloved iPhone 8 Plus, with its tempered glass 
>> screen protector onboard, my fingers would not slide smoothly across the 
>> surface of the iPad Pro because of the rapid buildup of dust and oil 
>> particles.
>> 
>> So, after conducting much research, I came across a tempered glass screen 
>> protector for my iPad Pro for a little less than $10.
>> 
>> I have been using it for a couple of days, now, and it is absolutely 
>> fantastic.  In fact, I would say that the iPad Pro display is now as 
>> enjoyable to touch as my 8 Plus in that my fingers slide smoothly across the 
>> surface because there is no longer any rapid buildup of dust and oil 
>> particles.
>> 
>> I am going to post a link to the iPad 10.5 Pro product as it is listed on 
>> Amazon but please note that the company does make tempered glass screen 
>> protectors for virtually all of the iPad product lines.
>> 
>> Also note that, while the product is easy to install, I recommend that you 
>> have a sighted person perform the installation.  Based on my experience, all 
>> things being equal, including the cleaning of your iPad display, 
>> installation could take anywhere from 5 to 20 minutes.  
>> 
>> Good Luck and Enjoy,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> Product Description:  
>> amFilm Glass Screen Protector for iPad Air 3 (2019) 10.5 inch, iPad Pro 10.5
>> (2017) (2 Pack) Tempered Glass, Apple Pencil Compatible.
>> 
>> On Amazon at:
>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071ZFR7G2/ref=cm_sw_r_em_tai_c_dU8WCbNMXSDER
>> 
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Re: PrimePhonic an app for a Classical Music lovers

[Mary Otten]

Hi Anne,
I suppose the discrepancy you mentioned and others must be due to something 
having to do with disagreement over royalties for streaming. I can’t imagine 
any other reason.
Mary


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> On Apr 27, 2019, at 9:27 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mary,
> 
> Something I find strange about Apple Music is that not all artists whose 
> music can be bought from iTunes is available on Apple Music. I’ve recently 
> become fascinated by Acadian music and have bought several albums from 
> iTunes, but my favourite Acadian musician, Cayouche, can’t be found on Apple 
> Music despite having 5 albums in the iTunes Store.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 27 Apr 2019, at 05:30, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I am basically happy with Apple Music, except when it comes to classical, 
>> one of my favorite genres. I recently read about an app called prime phonic, 
>> and I just downloaded it and signed up for my free 14 day trial. 
>> You don’t have to give them a credit card for the 14 day trial, so if you 
>> tried and don’t like it, you don’t need to do anything. But if you want to 
>> keep it, then you have to subscribe within the 14 day trial time time limit.
>> I just got it today, and I think there are some Accessibility issues having 
>> to do with whatever shows up on the opening screens, such that you can flip 
>> through and hear nothing from voiceover, but then flip back and hear what 
>> the text is. But the search and browse and tabs etc., those are all 
>> accessible. And they work well. If you are a classical music lover, you 
>> should really get this app and take it for a 14 day free trial. The 
>> subscriptions are eight dollars for the so-called premium subscription, 
>> which gives you 320 KBBPS which is the same as Apple I think. Or $14 a month 
>> for lossless streaming of albums that they have available with that format. 
>> If you are willing to pay for a whole year, you can get a 17% discount off 
>> of either service. I think it’s definitely worth checking into. I have not 
>> found a service like Spotify Apple Music etc., that is so dedicated for 
>> classical listeners. So if you were one of those, check it out.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Seeing AI And Reading Of Bar Codes

[Loy Green]

I can't help, but if I can find the right channel, I have been able to read the 
barcode. I find it very difficult changing channels. I get in a channel and 
then I can't change it to another channel. I wish they could made the interface 
more user friendly.  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Pete De Vasto 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2019 11:40 AM
  Subject: Seeing AI And Reading Of Bar Codes


  Hi all,

  I’ve been trying to get Seeing AI to read bar codes with two different 
iPhones now,  an iPhone 5s and an iPhone 7, and I can’t seem to get any results 
on either device. I can get it to sound the tones indicating I’ve found the 
code, and they are pulsating quickly which means I’m directly over the code, 
but the tones just keep on sounding and nothing else happens. Is there 
something else I need to do once I’m in place so I can get a read out?

  Thanks for any help,
  Pete De Vasto

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Re: Seeing AI And Reading Of Bar Codes

[Lynn Schneider]

I’ve noticed that I am having trouble with this app also lately. I am glad to 
hear that others are having the same experience, but it really makes me sad, as 
I depend on this app a lot. I was actually about to reinstall it, thinking 
there was just some kind of problem on my end. Honestly, I love this app so 
much that I am willing to pay for it. I’m going to send off a message to the 
developer to see what the status is. Anyway, hoping for better news soon. Take 
care and thanks for listening.Lynn

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> On Apr 27, 2019, at 1:31 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Yes, slowly move the iPhone across the barcode. When I check cans I slowly 
> roll the cans underneath the iPhone. It takes a little getting used to but I 
> have always gotten good results doing this.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
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>> On Apr 27, 2019, at 11:40 AM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I’ve been trying to get Seeing AI to read bar codes with two different 
>> iPhones now,  an iPhone 5s and an iPhone 7, and I can’t seem to get any 
>> results on either device. I can get it to sound the tones indicating I’ve 
>> found the code, and they are pulsating quickly which means I’m directly over 
>> the code, but the tones just keep on sounding and nothing else happens. Is 
>> there something else I need to do once I’m in place so I can get a read out?
>> 
>> Thanks for any help,
>> Pete De Vasto
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Re: App Specific Passwords

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Can you give an example app? I am interested in trying to crack this problem.


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> On Apr 24, 2019, at 12:26 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> It seems to be creating a "fly out" web dialog that VO is not gaining access 
> to for some reason.  Using an iPhone or iPad seems to be OK, but Safari on 
> the Mac is being uncooperative.  Usually, those web dialogs gain focus right 
> away, but I have had occasion to find them hard to locate.  I suggest you get 
> on Apple Accessibility's case.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 24, 2019, at 09:04, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   This is for any third party app that needs access to Apple services such as 
> iCloud. You log into Apple id then in the Security area is App Specific 
> Passwords where you generate a password to be copied and pasted into that 
> third party app.
> 
>   I cannot figure out how to find the password that was generated. Apple did 
> some strange things in Mojave.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>> On 4/24/2019 7:51 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Is this for Google environment stuff, or something else?  App Specific 
>> passwords are only needed for certain non-secure apps in the Google world.  
>> Most stock Apple apps like Mail no longer require App Specific passwords.
>> Later...
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 00:07, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>>   This is needed when two factor authentication is turned on. After entering 
>> a label then pressing the Create button, I could not locate the created 
>> password. I don't know if any recent updates changed how this is done under 
>> macOS 10.14.4 but I sure would like to know what works for others.
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Re: Seeing AI And Reading Of Bar Codes

[Phil Halton]

Yes, slowly move the iPhone across the barcode. When I check cans I slowly roll 
the cans underneath the iPhone. It takes a little getting used to but I have 
always gotten good results doing this.

Sent from my IPhone


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> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I’ve been trying to get Seeing AI to read bar codes with two different 
> iPhones now,  an iPhone 5s and an iPhone 7, and I can’t seem to get any 
> results on either device. I can get it to sound the tones indicating I’ve 
> found the code, and they are pulsating quickly which means I’m directly over 
> the code, but the tones just keep on sounding and nothing else happens. Is 
> there something else I need to do once I’m in place so I can get a read out?
> 
> Thanks for any help,
> Pete De Vasto
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Re: Mark's Recommendation for a Great iPad Screen Protector

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hello.

What I don’t understand is why do people say that they are going to install a 
glass protector on such and such a device. Because I don’t think you are going 
to install anything on your device unless it’s software related. What he really 
should be saying is that you are going to cover your device with a glass 
protector.


Kawal.
Sent from my iPhone

> On 27 Apr 2019, at 9:16 am, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Thanks for this,
> 
> I've been looking today for one for my new iPad Pro 11".
> 
> Then after playing with the new folio keyboard I can tell that actually 
> having to touch the screen will be limited due to the shortcut keys included 
> in the smart keyboards.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Saturday, 27 April 2019 4:37 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Mark's Recommendation for a Great iPad Screen Protector
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Recently, I purchased a 10.5 inch iPad Pro.
> 
> Even though the device has a marvelous retina display, I began to regret 
> touching it primarily because of the fact that it seems to attract dust and 
> finger-oil particles and smudges more than any other Apple device I've ever 
> owned.  I checked with a buddy of mine, at the Apple Store, and he readily 
> concurred with my finding.  
> 
> In short, unlike with my beloved iPhone 8 Plus, with its tempered glass 
> screen protector onboard, my fingers would not slide smoothly across the 
> surface of the iPad Pro because of the rapid buildup of dust and oil 
> particles.
> 
> So, after conducting much research, I came across a tempered glass screen 
> protector for my iPad Pro for a little less than $10.
> 
> I have been using it for a couple of days, now, and it is absolutely 
> fantastic.  In fact, I would say that the iPad Pro display is now as 
> enjoyable to touch as my 8 Plus in that my fingers slide smoothly across the 
> surface because there is no longer any rapid buildup of dust and oil 
> particles.
> 
> I am going to post a link to the iPad 10.5 Pro product as it is listed on 
> Amazon but please note that the company does make tempered glass screen 
> protectors for virtually all of the iPad product lines.
> 
> Also note that, while the product is easy to install, I recommend that you 
> have a sighted person perform the installation.  Based on my experience, all 
> things being equal, including the cleaning of your iPad display, installation 
> could take anywhere from 5 to 20 minutes.  
> 
> Good Luck and Enjoy,
> 
> Mark
> 
> Product Description:  
> amFilm Glass Screen Protector for iPad Air 3 (2019) 10.5 inch, iPad Pro 10.5
> (2017) (2 Pack) Tempered Glass, Apple Pencil Compatible.
> 
> On Amazon at:
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071ZFR7G2/ref=cm_sw_r_em_tai_c_dU8WCbNMXSDER
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Re: PrimePhonic an app for a Classical Music lovers

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Mary,

Something I find strange about Apple Music is that not all artists whose music 
can be bought from iTunes is available on Apple Music. I’ve recently become 
fascinated by Acadian music and have bought several albums from iTunes, but my 
favourite Acadian musician, Cayouche, can’t be found on Apple Music despite 
having 5 albums in the iTunes Store.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 27 Apr 2019, at 05:30, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I am basically happy with Apple Music, except when it comes to classical, one 
> of my favorite genres. I recently read about an app called prime phonic, and 
> I just downloaded it and signed up for my free 14 day trial. 
> You don’t have to give them a credit card for the 14 day trial, so if you 
> tried and don’t like it, you don’t need to do anything. But if you want to 
> keep it, then you have to subscribe within the 14 day trial time time limit.
> I just got it today, and I think there are some Accessibility issues having 
> to do with whatever shows up on the opening screens, such that you can flip 
> through and hear nothing from voiceover, but then flip back and hear what the 
> text is. But the search and browse and tabs etc., those are all accessible. 
> And they work well. If you are a classical music lover, you should really get 
> this app and take it for a 14 day free trial. The subscriptions are eight 
> dollars for the so-called premium subscription, which gives you 320 KBBPS 
> which is the same as Apple I think. Or $14 a month for lossless streaming of 
> albums that they have available with that format. If you are willing to pay 
> for a whole year, you can get a 17% discount off of either service. I think 
> it’s definitely worth checking into. I have not found a service like Spotify 
> Apple Music etc., that is so dedicated for classical listeners. So if you 
> were one of those, check it out.
> 
> 
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Seeing AI And Reading Of Bar Codes

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi all,

I’ve been trying to get Seeing AI to read bar codes with two different iPhones 
now,  an iPhone 5s and an iPhone 7, and I can’t seem to get any results on 
either device. I can get it to sound the tones indicating I’ve found the code, 
and they are pulsating quickly which means I’m directly over the code, but the 
tones just keep on sounding and nothing else happens. Is there something else I 
need to do once I’m in place so I can get a read out?

Thanks for any help,
Pete De Vasto

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Re: PrimePhonic an app for a Classical Music lovers

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, Mary:

You're the second person who's recommended Prime Phonic just in the past
week.

It's a very major selling point that these folks understand that
classical music can't be simply shrugged off as "songs." Large classical
works, even smaller works, are intentional successions of component
individual parts. In concertos and symphonies, those parts are called
movements. In opera they're called acts and scenes. It's definitely
important that a classical music service understand that the movements
of Beethoven symphonies should be played in order, from the same
recording session.

Best,

Janina

Mary Otten writes:
> I am basically happy with Apple Music, except when it comes to classical, one 
> of my favorite genres. I recently read about an app called prime phonic, and 
> I just downloaded it and signed up for my free 14 day trial. 
> You don’t have to give them a credit card for the 14 day trial, so if you 
> tried and don’t like it, you don’t need to do anything. But if you want to 
> keep it, then you have to subscribe within the 14 day trial time time limit.
> I just got it today, and I think there are some Accessibility issues having 
> to do with whatever shows up on the opening screens, such that you can flip 
> through and hear nothing from voiceover, but then flip back and hear what the 
> text is. But the search and browse and tabs etc., those are all accessible. 
> And they work well. If you are a classical music lover, you should really get 
> this app and take it for a 14 day free trial. The subscriptions are eight 
> dollars for the so-called premium subscription, which gives you 320 KBBPS 
> which is the same as Apple I think. Or $14 a month for lossless streaming of 
> albums that they have available with that format. If you are willing to pay 
> for a whole year, you can get a 17% discount off of either service. I think 
> it’s definitely worth checking into. I have not found a service like Spotify 
> Apple Music etc., that is so dedicated for classical listeners. So if you 
> were one of those, check it out.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Mark's Recommendation for a Great iPad Screen Protector

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mark,

Thanks for this,

I've been looking today for one for my new iPad Pro 11".

Then after playing with the new folio keyboard I can tell that actually having 
to touch the screen will be limited due to the shortcut keys included in the 
smart keyboards.


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Sent: Saturday, 27 April 2019 4:37 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mark's Recommendation for a Great iPad Screen Protector

Hello All,

Recently, I purchased a 10.5 inch iPad Pro.

Even though the device has a marvelous retina display, I began to regret 
touching it primarily because of the fact that it seems to attract dust and 
finger-oil particles and smudges more than any other Apple device I've ever 
owned.  I checked with a buddy of mine, at the Apple Store, and he readily 
concurred with my finding.  

In short, unlike with my beloved iPhone 8 Plus, with its tempered glass screen 
protector onboard, my fingers would not slide smoothly across the surface of 
the iPad Pro because of the rapid buildup of dust and oil particles.

So, after conducting much research, I came across a tempered glass screen 
protector for my iPad Pro for a little less than $10.

I have been using it for a couple of days, now, and it is absolutely fantastic. 
 In fact, I would say that the iPad Pro display is now as enjoyable to touch as 
my 8 Plus in that my fingers slide smoothly across the surface because there is 
no longer any rapid buildup of dust and oil particles.

I am going to post a link to the iPad 10.5 Pro product as it is listed on 
Amazon but please note that the company does make tempered glass screen 
protectors for virtually all of the iPad product lines.

Also note that, while the product is easy to install, I recommend that you have 
a sighted person perform the installation.  Based on my experience, all things 
being equal, including the cleaning of your iPad display, installation could 
take anywhere from 5 to 20 minutes.  

Good Luck and Enjoy,

Mark

Product Description:  
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(2017) (2 Pack) Tempered Glass, Apple Pencil Compatible.

On Amazon at:
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