Re: Buying a macbook Air - the latest

[B G]

Yes, running VM would be nice but it's not part of my use cases for
this machine.  I will try it and see what happens. Will be reporting
my findings here.
What kind of files software did you have in mind for which you believe
256GB might not be sufficient?
as for a case I have asked a friend - an Apple fanatic - to lend me a
hand to pick a good one on Amazon. He's emailed me a couple of links.
I actually wanted one with the Apple logo on it; tells you how much of
a showoff I am I suppose. *grin*

Now, can you tell me a bit more about this Magic keyboard please? What
makes it so special for VO users?
Thanks
Ben


On 5/9/19, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> That sounds like a great machine although my personal concerns of that model
> machine is will the processor handle running windows either in a vm or boot
> camp.
>
> And I like a bit more storage but if your not saving a lot locally then 256
> is great.
>
> As for keyboard,  you can't go passed the apple magic keyboards Bluetooth
> And there is a large number of protective cases for the mac book ranges.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
> Behalf Of B G
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2019 9:51 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Buying a macbook Air - the latest
>
> Hi,
> The latest is a MacBook Air 2018 with 16GB ram, 256GB ssd. I'm going to
> assume it will be powerful enough for my xcode (programming) needs.
> Judging from the responses it'll also be fine for running VM and Windows 10.
>  Can the list think of anything else I should be mindful of? What about the
> type of carry case or sleeve the list favours, external keyboard, trackpad,
> etc.  any last minute advice would be gratefully received.
> Thank you
> Ben
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Re: Windows 10 Releaces to install on my mac mini

['Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries]

Hello,Thanks for that.
Here’s one of the problems I had with my MBP 2014 year machine. I had windows 
installed and everything was going just fine. Then I decided to uninstall it 
after a few weeks. Then a few weeks later, probably in February this year, I 
reinstalled windows 10 on that machine again. Then after a whole bunch of 
updates,and after I was done with windows at that point, I attempted to 
uninstall it. But for some reason, I was unable to uninstall it. Not only would 
boot camp not uninstall it, I had to reformat the SSD and reinstall the Mac os.
So, I’m wanting to avoide these kinds of problems. That is why I asked about 
the next installable release of windows.
Later.


> On May 8, 2019, at 6:15 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> It's not yet out,
> 
> But yes there is an issue in boot camp installing win 10 1809 as you said,
> 
> However the known solution is to install windows 10 1803 which works very 
> well and is fully accessible during installation 
> And then once you have that installed you can update to 1809 with out issue 
> and still with full accessibility 
> 
> I've been able to set this up 5 times this year on different machines without 
> assistance.
> Hope this helps.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries  
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> Subject: Windows 10 Releaces to install on my mac mini
> 
> Hi list,
> Here’s another question regarding installing windows 10 on my new mac mini OS 
> X 14.4.
> I know there were some problems with installing the October 2018 release of 
> windows 10. I also know that the April 2018 release of windows worked ok for 
> installing on the mac.
> Here’s my question.
> When will this year’s April release be available for mac users to download 
> and install?
> TIA.
> 
> Dan
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RE: sd cards

[Simon Fogarty]

Disk utility 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2019 10:05 AM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: sd cards

what's the best way to erase or reformat an sd card using a Mac? 

thanks.
Lorie

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RE: Windows 10 Releaces to install on my mac mini

[Simon Fogarty]

It's not yet out,

But yes there is an issue in boot camp installing win 10 1809 as you said,

However the known solution is to install windows 10 1803 which works very well 
and is fully accessible during installation 
And then once you have that installed you can update to 1809 with out issue and 
still with full accessibility 

I've been able to set this up 5 times this year on different machines without 
assistance.
Hope this helps.

-Original Message-
From: 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2019 7:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Windows 10 Releaces to install on my mac mini

Hi list,
Here’s another question regarding installing windows 10 on my new mac mini OS X 
14.4.
I know there were some problems with installing the October 2018 release of 
windows 10. I also know that the April 2018 release of windows worked ok for 
installing on the mac.
Here’s my question.
When will this year’s April release be available for mac users to download and 
install?
TIA.

Dan

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RE: Buying a macbook Air - the latest

[Simon Fogarty]

That sounds like a great machine although my personal concerns of that model 
machine is will the processor handle running windows either in a vm or boot 
camp.

And I like a bit more storage but if your not saving a lot locally then 256 is 
great.

As for keyboard,  you can't go passed the apple magic keyboards Bluetooth 
And there is a large number of protective cases for the mac book ranges.

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of B G
Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2019 9:51 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Buying a macbook Air - the latest

Hi,
The latest is a MacBook Air 2018 with 16GB ram, 256GB ssd. I'm going to assume 
it will be powerful enough for my xcode (programming) needs.
Judging from the responses it'll also be fine for running VM and Windows 10.  
Can the list think of anything else I should be mindful of? What about the type 
of carry case or sleeve the list favours, external keyboard, trackpad, etc.  
any last minute advice would be gratefully received.
Thank you
Ben

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wireless chargers

[wayne coles]

hello list i have a iphone 10r and a apple watch third gen and i am in 
the market for a wireless charger to charge both items at the same time 
and the price about 40-60 dollars would be great any help please


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Re: sd cards

['Matthew Dierckens' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Laurie,
Disk utility is in the utilities folder in the applications folder. A quick way 
to get to it through the finder is to hit CMD Shift U when in the main finder 
window.

> God bless.
> Matthew Dierckens,
> Certified assistive technology specialist
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> On May 8, 2019, at 19:33, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> where's Disc utility? is it a program or app that's already on my Mac?
> My Youtube Channel:
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>> On May 8, 2019, at 5:20 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> Use Disk Utility.  Depending on how you're going to use the SD card will 
>> determine the format options.  You can choose to format it MacOS or MSDOS.  
>> If all you're going to use it is with your Mac, then MacOS will do just fine.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On May 8, 2019, at 16:04, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> what's the best way to erase or reformat an sd card using a Mac? 
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: sd cards

[Lorie McCloud]

where's Disc utility? is it a program or app that's already on my Mac?
My Youtube Channel:
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> On May 8, 2019, at 5:20 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
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> Use Disk Utility.  Depending on how you're going to use the SD card will 
> determine the format options.  You can choose to format it MacOS or MSDOS.  
> If all you're going to use it is with your Mac, then MacOS will do just fine.
> 
> Later...
> 
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> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On May 8, 2019, at 16:04, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
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> what's the best way to erase or reformat an sd card using a Mac? 
> 
> thanks.
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Re: sd cards

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Hi,

Use Disk Utility.  Depending on how you're going to use the SD card will 
determine the format options.  You can choose to format it MacOS or MSDOS.  If 
all you're going to use it is with your Mac, then MacOS will do just fine.

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On May 8, 2019, at 16:04, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

what's the best way to erase or reformat an sd card using a Mac? 

thanks.
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Re: sd cards

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Reformat.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 5/8/2019 3:04 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

what's the best way to erase or reformat an sd card using a Mac?

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sd cards

[Lorie McCloud]

what's the best way to erase or reformat an sd card using a Mac? 

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Re: Magic keyboard for mac

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Hi,

That's great to hear.  Yes, connecting it is quite simple.  Normally, all you 
need to do is plug the USB charging cord into the keyboard and the Mac and the 
Bluetooth connection is automatically made.

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On May 8, 2019, at 15:39, matthew dyer  wrote:

Hi Tim,

Just received my keyboard today and am using it to respond to9 this message.  
So far I am vey happy with it and all seems fine.  I had no trouble getting it 
connected to my iMac.  Thanks.

Matthew



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> And if need be  you can plug a lightening to usb cable into it and run it as 
> a wired keyboard.
>  
> Means you can charge and use at the same time.
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> Apple only sells the full size keyboard in a wireless version now.  So, the 
> Magic 2 with NumPad, or extended, is the one you are looking for.  I use them 
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>  
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> Morning all,
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> I am considering a new magic keyboarders for my apple devices as it is 
> currently all worn out and some of the keys are no longer working.  Does 
> apple still have the keyboard with the numbed on the side.  I would like to 
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Re: Magic keyboard for mac

[matthew dyer]

Hi Tim,

Just received my keyboard today and am using it to respond to9 this message.  
So far I am vey happy with it and all seems fine.  I had no trouble getting it 
connected to my iMac.  Thanks.

Matthew



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> Means you can charge and use at the same time.
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> Hi,
>  
> Apple only sells the full size keyboard in a wireless version now.  So, the 
> Magic 2 with NumPad, or extended, is the one you are looking for.  I use them 
> and like them a lot.
>  
> Later...
>  
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> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>  
> On May 6, 2019, at 07:23, matthew dyer  > wrote:
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> Morning all,
> 
> I am considering a new magic keyboarders for my apple devices as it is 
> currently all worn out and some of the keys are no longer working.  Does 
> apple still have the keyboard with the numbed on the side.  I would like to 
> get  this as I have been using a num-pad for other reasons.  If anyone is 
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> Matthew
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Re: Does a mac Mini have to be plugged into a display at all times?

[Lorie McCloud]

my Mac Mini has a dongle. I don't even own a display or monitor.

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> Something else I read a while ago, that for a Mac mini to work well or
> to work at all it had to be plugged into a monitor which is rather
> superfluous for most VO users.  I seem to remember also reading about
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Windows 10 Releaces to install on my mac mini

['Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries]

Hi list,
Here’s another question regarding installing windows 10 on my new mac mini OS X 
14.4.
I know there were some problems with installing the October 2018 release of 
windows 10. I also know that the April 2018 release of windows worked ok for 
installing on the mac.
Here’s my question.
When will this year’s April release be available for mac users to download and 
install?
TIA.

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Re: Buying a macbook Air - the latest

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello,

I use a plastic shell cover that is in 2 parts, simply clipping on the top and 
bottom of the Air. I use a clear cover and I have  my name on a card underneath 
it, so should I let it out of my sight others know that it is mine. These cases 
are cheap and can get scratched. Taking it out of my bag to put on a table I’ve 
knocked it etc. I simply unclip the case top and bottom off and put a new one 
in it’s place. The brushed alluvium is as new. So for 6 years £11 worth of 
cases has kept my Air in good condition.

I don’t know if I have purchased from this seller and have no connection to 
them. But just as an example, here is an example of the type of case I use:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Plastic-Hard-Shell-Case-Cover-for-Apple-MacBook-Air-11-with-Keyboard-Skin-Clear/233181381968?hash=item364ab18550:g:UbUAAOSwBRlcnMZn

Good luck and enjoy.

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> The latest is a MacBook Air 2018 with 16GB ram, 256GB ssd. I'm going
> to assume it will be powerful enough for my xcode (programming) needs.
> Judging from the responses it'll also be fine for running VM and
> Windows 10.  Can the list think of anything else I should be mindful
> of? What about the type of carry case or sleeve the list favours,
> external keyboard, trackpad, etc.  any last minute advice would be
> gratefully received.
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Re: Mac OS Manuals

[Leo Bado]

I would suggest to read the entire section about voice over on apple 
support web site.  Just google it.


Leo Bado

El 08/05/2019 a las 9:33, B G escribió:

While I scour the web for books and articles on Mac OS, was wondering
if the list had any good urls and or titles to recommend. I am a total
beginner and therefore not taking anything for granted.

Cheers,
Ben



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Re: Exporting Albums from iTunes

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Anne,

yeah, the Acadians have a unique version of French.  Overall, the regional 
french speaking Canadians often have negative feelings towards other regional 
speakers.  The Quebecois claim that they can't understand Acadian French or 
Western Canadian French, even though they all evolved from the same roots.  I 
appreciate your wording as "interesting" as opposed to less understanding 
adjectives.

Later...
  
Tim Kilburn
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 8, 2019, at 10:28, Anne Robertson  wrote:

Hello Tim,

Don’t feel bad about it. So many things have changed over the years it’s hard 
to keep up.
While teaching VoiceOver, I regularly discover features I wasn't aware of.
It was Canadian music, specifically Acadian music, that I was converting 
recently. I find their version of French fascinating.
Cheers,

Anne



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> Sorry ET.  In the past, you could not convert purchased content.  Apple must 
> have changed this at some point and I missed the memo.  Sorry for leading you 
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Re: Exporting Albums from iTunes

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Hello Tim,

Don’t feel bad about it. So many things have changed over the years it’s hard 
to keep up.
While teaching VoiceOver, I regularly discover features I wasn't aware of.
It was Canadian music, specifically Acadian music, that I was converting 
recently. I find their version of French fascinating.
Cheers,

Anne



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> Sorry ET.  In the past, you could not convert purchased content.  Apple must 
> have changed this at some point and I missed the memo.  Sorry for leading you 
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Re: Exporting Albums from iTunes

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Hello E.T.,


> On 8 May 2019, at 18:14, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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> Note: These settings do not apply to songs downloaded from the iTunes Store."

I think this means that all songs downloaded from the iTunes Store will have 
the M4A format, whatever your import settings may be.
My converted purchased albums play fine from the USB key I put them on.
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Re: Exporting Albums from iTunes

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Actually, the following is in the import settings which could be 
misconstrued. But the proof of the pudding will come when I play the 
albums on my mp3 player.


   "Note: These settings do not apply to songs downloaded from the 
iTunes Store."


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On 5/8/2019 9:04 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

Sorry ET.  In the past, you could not convert purchased content.  Apple 
must have changed this at some point and I missed the memo.  Sorry for 
leading you astray.  This, of course, is much easier and I did think of 
it, but was under the misconception that one still could not convert 
purchased content to mp3.  Silly me :(.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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   Well Anne, wow. This works wonderfully. Thanks so very much. I'm not 
finished as I need coffee but this works so well it won't take long, :)


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Hello E.T.,
You don’t need to go through all that burning a CD stuff.
In iTunes, open the preferences and click the Import settings button 
and select MP3 from the menu. Click the OK button and another OK 
button and you’ll be out of Preferences.
you can now select all the tracks on the album and go to the File 
menu. Go down to Convert and you’ll find MP3 as an option.

After the conversion, you’ll have two of each track.
Go to the Finder and open your iTunes library.
Find the album and sort the folder according to Type. All your MP3 
versions will be together. Select them all and copy them. Create a new 
folder somewhere else such as in Documents and paste them there.
You’ll need to delete the unwanted versions from within iTunes or 
iTunes will get very upset!

I did this very recently with purchased music.
Cheers,
Anne


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Re: Exporting Albums from iTunes

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Hello E.T.,

Glad to be of help.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 8 May 2019, at 17:52, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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>   Well Anne, wow. This works wonderfully. Thanks so very much. I'm not 
> finished as I need coffee but this works so well it won't take long, :)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> Many believe that we have been visited
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> 
> On 5/8/2019 8:11 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>> Hello E.T.,
>> You don’t need to go through all that burning a CD stuff.
>> In iTunes, open the preferences and click the Import settings button and 
>> select MP3 from the menu. Click the OK button and another OK button and 
>> you’ll be out of Preferences.
>> you can now select all the tracks on the album and go to the File menu. Go 
>> down to Convert and you’ll find MP3 as an option.
>> After the conversion, you’ll have two of each track.
>> Go to the Finder and open your iTunes library.
>> Find the album and sort the folder according to Type. All your MP3 versions 
>> will be together. Select them all and copy them. Create a new folder 
>> somewhere else such as in Documents and paste them there.
>> You’ll need to delete the unwanted versions from within iTunes or iTunes 
>> will get very upset!
>> I did this very recently with purchased music.
>> Cheers,
>> Anne
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Re: Exporting Albums from iTunes

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Hi,

Sorry ET.  In the past, you could not convert purchased content.  Apple must 
have changed this at some point and I missed the memo.  Sorry for leading you 
astray.  This, of course, is much easier and I did think of it, but was under 
the misconception that one still could not convert purchased content to mp3.  
Silly me :(.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 8, 2019, at 09:52, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

  Well Anne, wow. This works wonderfully. Thanks so very much. I'm not finished 
as I need coffee but this works so well it won't take long, :)

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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On 5/8/2019 8:11 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
> Hello E.T.,
> You don’t need to go through all that burning a CD stuff.
> In iTunes, open the preferences and click the Import settings button and 
> select MP3 from the menu. Click the OK button and another OK button and 
> you’ll be out of Preferences.
> you can now select all the tracks on the album and go to the File menu. Go 
> down to Convert and you’ll find MP3 as an option.
> After the conversion, you’ll have two of each track.
> Go to the Finder and open your iTunes library.
> Find the album and sort the folder according to Type. All your MP3 versions 
> will be together. Select them all and copy them. Create a new folder 
> somewhere else such as in Documents and paste them there.
> You’ll need to delete the unwanted versions from within iTunes or iTunes will 
> get very upset!
> I did this very recently with purchased music.
> Cheers,
> Anne

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Re: Exporting Albums from iTunes

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Well Anne, wow. This works wonderfully. Thanks so very much. I'm not 
finished as I need coffee but this works so well it won't take long, :)


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On 5/8/2019 8:11 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

Hello E.T.,

You don’t need to go through all that burning a CD stuff.
In iTunes, open the preferences and click the Import settings button and select 
MP3 from the menu. Click the OK button and another OK button and you’ll be out 
of Preferences.
you can now select all the tracks on the album and go to the File menu. Go down 
to Convert and you’ll find MP3 as an option.
After the conversion, you’ll have two of each track.
Go to the Finder and open your iTunes library.
Find the album and sort the folder according to Type. All your MP3 versions 
will be together. Select them all and copy them. Create a new folder somewhere 
else such as in Documents and paste them there.
You’ll need to delete the unwanted versions from within iTunes or iTunes will 
get very upset!
I did this very recently with purchased music.

Cheers,

Anne




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Re: Does a mac Mini have to be plugged into a display at all times?

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Ah thank you! Valuable info, much appreciated.
Ben


On 5/8/19, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
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>> Something else I read a while ago, that for a Mac mini to work well or
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Mac OS Manuals

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While I scour the web for books and articles on Mac OS, was wondering
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Re: Exporting Albums from iTunes

[Anne Robertson]

Hello E.T.,

You don’t need to go through all that burning a CD stuff.
In iTunes, open the preferences and click the Import settings button and select 
MP3 from the menu. Click the OK button and another OK button and you’ll be out 
of Preferences.
you can now select all the tracks on the album and go to the File menu. Go down 
to Convert and you’ll find MP3 as an option.
After the conversion, you’ll have two of each track.
Go to the Finder and open your iTunes library.
Find the album and sort the folder according to Type. All your MP3 versions 
will be together. Select them all and copy them. Create a new folder somewhere 
else such as in Documents and paste them there.
You’ll need to delete the unwanted versions from within iTunes or iTunes will 
get very upset!
I did this very recently with purchased music.

Cheers,

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Re: Does a mac Mini have to be plugged into a display at all times?

[Mike Arrigo]

Older mac minis did require a monitor connection, or you could use an 
adapter called the fit headless which emulates a monitor. This is no 
longer required however.

Original message:

Hi,
Something else I read a while ago, that for a Mac mini to work well or
to work at all it had to be plugged into a monitor which is rather
superfluous for most VO users.  I seem to remember also reading about
a sort of adaptor, a dongle, which could be used instead of a monitor.
Anyway, over to the list.
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Re: Thinking of Downgrading Back to iPhone 8 Because of Lack of Touch ID - Finding Face ID not as Efficient and Slower

[Julie Rattray]

Very clearly put thanks Tim - now I redid mine using VO it is working great 

> On 8 May 2019, at 14:13, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> A couple of things to consider:
> 
> 1.  Like with a finger-print iPhone, if the iPhone is off, it will require 
> your pass-code.
> 2.  Know that as soon as you wake the iPhone, it will start searching for 
> your face.  Consider this for the next item.
> 3.  Make sure that Raise to Wake is turned off.  This is in Settings, Display 
> & Brightness.  Disable it as it can cause the iPhone to start searching 
> before you're ready.
> 4.  As you note during the Face ID setup, the iPhone is looking at your face 
> from multiple angles.  Thus a perfect alignment is not necessarily needed.  
> Make sure though that the face of the iPhone is pointed towards your face, 
> and that it is a foot or more away when you hit the side button.  As soon as 
> the side button is pressed, the iPhone will begin searching for your face to 
> authenticate.  If you get the double-haptic vibration, it has accepted your 
> face and you're ready to go.  If you get the triple or quadruple haptic 
> vibration, then it failed.  In that case, press the side button, wait a 
> second then press the side button again to let it try once more.
> 5.  If there is a notification on the screen, like an iMessage, you can 
> authenticate with Face ID, then simply double-tap on the notification to go 
> stragiht to Messages without the need to do the swipe up from bottom to 
> unlock gesture.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On May 7, 2019, at 19:55, Mary Jo Partyka  > wrote:
> 
> Hi, Tim,
> 
> I was looking at some responses to the face-id dilemma.  I had someone from 
> Apple Support help me reset my face-id and it worked.  However, i tried to 
> unlock it several times with no success.  Is there a certain way I should be 
> holding my phone to make it work?  iI have my attention features off and am 
> just confused.
> 
> 
> Mary Jo Partyka
> choir...@gmail.com 
> 
> 
>> On May 7, 2019, at 11:08 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I don't have any real issues with Face ID.  Do you have the Attention 
>> feature disabled?  Normally, I just pull out my iPhone, put it in a close 
>> enough proximity to normal position, then press the side button.  Within a 
>> very short time, I feel the double-haptic vibration and I'm good to go.  It 
>> doesn't even need to be in perfect position.  I can have it a little off to 
>> the side, or a little higher or lower than my face, and it unlocks just 
>> fine.  I only need to enter the pass-code once every week or two.  The times 
>> that I do have an issue with it not recognizing my face, I just lock the 
>> screen, wait a second or so then go through the process again and it unlocks.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On May 7, 2019, at 08:38, Mika Pyyhkala > > wrote:
>> 
>> I got the iPhone 10S around launch time, and while of course face id
>> technically works with VoiceOver, I find its much less efficient and
>> time consuming than touch id.  It seems to take more effort than it
>> did with touch id.
>> 
>> At least a few to several times a day I have to manually enter my
>> passcode.  This was rarely the case with touch id, maybe with touch
>> id, I might have to manually enter my passcode a few times a week
>> rather than a few times a day.
>> 
>> I have to concentrate a little bit to get face id to work where as the
>> touch id "just worked," it was kind of like breathing you never had to
>> even think about it for a nanosecond.
>> 
>> I wish someone did a study to see how much longer it takes VoiceOver
>> users to unlock the phone with face id instead of touch id.  I would
>> be shocked if it the same or faster.
>> 
>> It probably takes, I'm just guessing, an extra 1-3 seconds on average
>> to unlock the phone.
>> 
>> I find it also is a much less natural movement to have to pull the
>> phone pretty far from my face to unlock it as opposed to using the
>> fingerprint.
>> 
>> I am curious if the rest of you have this experience, or if you have
>> gotten face id to the point whereyou think its just as efficient and
>> does not take any longer than touch id.
>> 
>> I'm not sure if Jonathan Mosen still reads this list but he has
>> mentioned  as an example and data point that he does not miss the
>> touch id and he does not find the face id to be less efficient.
>> 
>> I would hate to go backwards but I find the face id to be at least a
>> moderate annoyance when I was used to touch id working nearly
>> perfectly 99% of the time.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Mika
>> 
>> -- 
>> Th

Re: Thinking of Downgrading Back to iPhone 8 Because of Lack of Touch ID - Finding Face ID not as Efficient and Slower

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

A couple of things to consider:

1.  Like with a finger-print iPhone, if the iPhone is off, it will require your 
pass-code.
2.  Know that as soon as you wake the iPhone, it will start searching for your 
face.  Consider this for the next item.
3.  Make sure that Raise to Wake is turned off.  This is in Settings, Display & 
Brightness.  Disable it as it can cause the iPhone to start searching before 
you're ready.
4.  As you note during the Face ID setup, the iPhone is looking at your face 
from multiple angles.  Thus a perfect alignment is not necessarily needed.  
Make sure though that the face of the iPhone is pointed towards your face, and 
that it is a foot or more away when you hit the side button.  As soon as the 
side button is pressed, the iPhone will begin searching for your face to 
authenticate.  If you get the double-haptic vibration, it has accepted your 
face and you're ready to go.  If you get the triple or quadruple haptic 
vibration, then it failed.  In that case, press the side button, wait a second 
then press the side button again to let it try once more.
5.  If there is a notification on the screen, like an iMessage, you can 
authenticate with Face ID, then simply double-tap on the notification to go 
stragiht to Messages without the need to do the swipe up from bottom to unlock 
gesture.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 7, 2019, at 19:55, Mary Jo Partyka  wrote:

Hi, Tim,

I was looking at some responses to the face-id dilemma.  I had someone from 
Apple Support help me reset my face-id and it worked.  However, i tried to 
unlock it several times with no success.  Is there a certain way I should be 
holding my phone to make it work?  iI have my attention features off and am 
just confused.


Mary Jo Partyka
choir...@gmail.com 


> On May 7, 2019, at 11:08 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I don't have any real issues with Face ID.  Do you have the Attention feature 
> disabled?  Normally, I just pull out my iPhone, put it in a close enough 
> proximity to normal position, then press the side button.  Within a very 
> short time, I feel the double-haptic vibration and I'm good to go.  It 
> doesn't even need to be in perfect position.  I can have it a little off to 
> the side, or a little higher or lower than my face, and it unlocks just fine. 
>  I only need to enter the pass-code once every week or two.  The times that I 
> do have an issue with it not recognizing my face, I just lock the screen, 
> wait a second or so then go through the process again and it unlocks.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On May 7, 2019, at 08:38, Mika Pyyhkala  > wrote:
> 
> I got the iPhone 10S around launch time, and while of course face id
> technically works with VoiceOver, I find its much less efficient and
> time consuming than touch id.  It seems to take more effort than it
> did with touch id.
> 
> At least a few to several times a day I have to manually enter my
> passcode.  This was rarely the case with touch id, maybe with touch
> id, I might have to manually enter my passcode a few times a week
> rather than a few times a day.
> 
> I have to concentrate a little bit to get face id to work where as the
> touch id "just worked," it was kind of like breathing you never had to
> even think about it for a nanosecond.
> 
> I wish someone did a study to see how much longer it takes VoiceOver
> users to unlock the phone with face id instead of touch id.  I would
> be shocked if it the same or faster.
> 
> It probably takes, I'm just guessing, an extra 1-3 seconds on average
> to unlock the phone.
> 
> I find it also is a much less natural movement to have to pull the
> phone pretty far from my face to unlock it as opposed to using the
> fingerprint.
> 
> I am curious if the rest of you have this experience, or if you have
> gotten face id to the point whereyou think its just as efficient and
> does not take any longer than touch id.
> 
> I'm not sure if Jonathan Mosen still reads this list but he has
> mentioned  as an example and data point that he does not miss the
> touch id and he does not find the face id to be less efficient.
> 
> I would hate to go backwards but I find the face id to be at least a
> moderate annoyance when I was used to touch id working nearly
> perfectly 99% of the time.
> 
> Best,
> Mika
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Playing Downtown Mafia , anyone here?

[Ramy Moustafa]

Playing This game, abut need more helpful ideas, anyone is playing this game 
now?

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Re: Buying a macbook Air - the latest

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

I would suggest buying the machine first, then deciding whether you want an 
external keyboard or other devices once you've spent some time with it.

If you're coming from a Microsoft Windows background, Mac OS may take a while 
to become a comfortable working environment. In my case, I wasn't coming from a 
Windows background, but rather from a mixture of Linux and iOS experience, as 
well as other operating systems before those - so I was able to become 
reasonably competent with the Mac user interface fairly quickly. If you know 
any version of UNIX or Linux, the Mac OS terminal environment will be fairly 
familiar.

On 5/8/19, 05:50, "B G"  wrote:

Hi,
The latest is a MacBook Air 2018 with 16GB ram, 256GB ssd. I'm going
to assume it will be powerful enough for my xcode (programming) needs.
Judging from the responses it'll also be fine for running VM and
Windows 10.  Can the list think of anything else I should be mindful
of? What about the type of carry case or sleeve the list favours,
external keyboard, trackpad, etc.  any last minute advice would be
gratefully received.
Thank you
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Buying a macbook Air - the latest

[B G]

Hi,
The latest is a MacBook Air 2018 with 16GB ram, 256GB ssd. I'm going
to assume it will be powerful enough for my xcode (programming) needs.
Judging from the responses it'll also be fine for running VM and
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Re: Airport devices and logging.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Ok, thanks for that one.
I do hope i get the Fibre connection as i am not really happy with the cable 
modem.
/A

> 7 maj 2019 kl. 18:44 skrev 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Fibre is what we call it.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On May 7, 2019, at 10:43, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Sad but true  imho.
> But i did a restart of the extreme and it seems to have helped.
> Hopefully we will get rid of the cable modem and get fiber or is it called 
> that in english?
> /A
> 
>> 6 maj 2019 kl. 23:21 skrev 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Not really.  The Airport Utility has a UI that makes setup and other 
>> processes easy for the end user, but the troubleshooting log is not 
>> particularly robust, and thus not particularly useful.  I expect that there 
>> may be some other ways of connecting that Apple Techs use that access more 
>> in-depth stats, but I haven't found much else helpful.  There is an 
>> Analytics option under the BaseStation menu, but it is very limited and I 
>> don't believe that it would be of much help to you.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On May 6, 2019, at 11:58, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Can i view logs from the Airport i have connected to my cable modem?
>> The reason i ask is that i have had some radio shows playing and they just 
>> stopp with no reason but when i pause them and start the playback again they 
>> start working.
>> This has happend in more then tuneinradio so i think its a wifi kind of 
>> error and therefore i want to see if there’s a posibility to resolve that by 
>> viewing the log.
>> /A
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Re: Tips, tricks, and customizations for your new AirPods, Apple Insider

[Angie Nutt]

Thanks for this. I’ve had my AirPods since Friday and loving them but haven’t 
yet learned all the tricks. Will keep this article.

All the best
Angie

> On 8 May 2019, at 00:33, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> AppleInsider - Front Page News - Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 9:30 AM
> 
> Tips, tricks, and customizations for your new AirPods
> 
> Here's how to get the most out of your AirPods -new or old -with
> AppleInsider's extensive list of tips, tricks, and customizations.
> 
> Second generation AirPods
> AirPods basics
> Getting the basic use out of the way first. The setup process for AirPods is
> legendary. Open the case near your iPhone/iPad and it walks you through the
> steps. That action also is how you can check the battery life of your
> AirPods.
> 
> Open the case and your battery life will appear on screen. It will show your
> AirPods case as well as your AirPods.
> 
> AirPods battery status
> If you remove one of the AirPods from the case, the on-screen card will then
> show you the individual battery life of each AirPod. A small charging
> indicator will let you know which, if either, of the two are charging so you
> know if they are receiving power.
> Something few know is that you can use one AirPod at a time - not just both.
> This is handy if you want to hear what is going on around you but still want
> to have your headphones on. As AirPods have no way to let in outside audio,
> this can be good practice in something like an office environment.
> 
> Making them your own
> You can easily customize your AirPods by heading into the Settings app.
> First, make sure your AirPods are connected and say as much in the Bluetooth
> settings. If they don't show as connected, just make sure to open the case.
> Leave the case open, or pop the buds in your ears.
> Then tap on the i icon to the right.
> The AirPods themselves can be renamed. If this is your second set of AirPods
> it may be named by default something along the lines of "Andrew's AirPods
> #2" which you could change to "Andrew's AirPods" if you no longer have your
> original pair or simply want a different name.
> 
> For more customization, you can control what happens when you double tap on
> the outside of each earbud. By default, it is set to go to the next music
> track on both. It can be changed to previous track, activating Siri,
> playing/pausing, or nothing at all.
> We recommend going with previous track on the left ear and next track on the
> right here. Music is automatically paused when the earbuds come out of your
> ears and Siri can now be activated on the second generation by just saying
> that well-known key phrase "Hey, Siri!" That leaves previous and next track
> controls the most intuitive.
> Automatic Ear Detection can also be toggled off, if you so choose. Ear
> detection automatically transfers audio to the headphones when placed in
> your ears and disables it when removed.
> AirPods automatically transfer audio to either the left or right microphone
> based on which it thinks sounds best/clearest but that isn't always the best
> route. By designating this manually, you can be sure the best option is
> chosen for your environment. If you leave this on, another quick tip is by
> taking a 
> phone call with one earbud in at a time. If the battery starts to die on
> that earbud, you simply put the other in your ear, then remove the first and
> it will route the audio to freshly charged earbud letting you talk for far
> more than the five hours Apple quotes for the second gen model.
> 
> All of your devices
> Thanks to iCloud, AirPods are automatically available on any device Apple
> device you own. That includes Apple Watch, Mac, iPad, and Apple TV.
> On Apple Watch, swipe up from the bottom to enter Control Center and tap the
> AirPlay icon. Now just choose your AirPods. On your Mac, open your AirPods
> and select the audio icon in the menu bar (your battery life will also be
> shown).
> 
> AirPods being accessed from the Apple TV
> From the Apple TV, swipe down from the top, go to audio section, and your
> AirPods should be listed. From the Home menu, tap and hold the play/pause
> button to bring up the audio controls which will also list your AirPods.
> You need to be signed into your iCloud account on all these devices for this
> feature to work.
> 
> AirPods battery on Apple Watch
> From Apple Watch, you have a few more handy options. In Control Center, if
> you tap on the battery icon while the AirPods are connected, you will see
> the remaining charge on each bud.
> Since we are talking battery, the Battery widget on your iOS device also is
> a good location to see the AirPods battery life without having to bring them
> near your device.
> 
> Getting more out of AirPods
> If you've ever misplaced your AirPods, you know what a struggle it can be to
> find track them down. Using Find My iPhone, you can see the last location
> the earbuds were connected. Even better, if within range, you can make them
> play a tone. This works b

RE: Tips, tricks, and customizations for your new AirPods, Apple Insider

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mark,

Again another interesting article.

Thanks for this and it also answer the question of auto switching between 
devices 
I can't get auto switching to work but the control panel and select works great,

 That will make life easier although stil  not what I would hope for.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2019 11:34 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Tips, tricks, and customizations for your new AirPods, Apple Insider

AppleInsider - Front Page News - Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 9:30 AM

Tips, tricks, and customizations for your new AirPods

Here's how to get the most out of your AirPods -new or old -with AppleInsider's 
extensive list of tips, tricks, and customizations.
 
Second generation AirPods
AirPods basics
Getting the basic use out of the way first. The setup process for AirPods is 
legendary. Open the case near your iPhone/iPad and it walks you through the 
steps. That action also is how you can check the battery life of your AirPods.

Open the case and your battery life will appear on screen. It will show your 
AirPods case as well as your AirPods.

AirPods battery status
If you remove one of the AirPods from the case, the on-screen card will then 
show you the individual battery life of each AirPod. A small charging indicator 
will let you know which, if either, of the two are charging so you know if they 
are receiving power.
Something few know is that you can use one AirPod at a time - not just both.
This is handy if you want to hear what is going on around you but still want to 
have your headphones on. As AirPods have no way to let in outside audio, this 
can be good practice in something like an office environment.

Making them your own
You can easily customize your AirPods by heading into the Settings app.
First, make sure your AirPods are connected and say as much in the Bluetooth 
settings. If they don't show as connected, just make sure to open the case.
Leave the case open, or pop the buds in your ears.
Then tap on the i icon to the right.
The AirPods themselves can be renamed. If this is your second set of AirPods it 
may be named by default something along the lines of "Andrew's AirPods #2" 
which you could change to "Andrew's AirPods" if you no longer have your 
original pair or simply want a different name.
 
For more customization, you can control what happens when you double tap on the 
outside of each earbud. By default, it is set to go to the next music track on 
both. It can be changed to previous track, activating Siri, playing/pausing, or 
nothing at all.
We recommend going with previous track on the left ear and next track on the 
right here. Music is automatically paused when the earbuds come out of your 
ears and Siri can now be activated on the second generation by just saying that 
well-known key phrase "Hey, Siri!" That leaves previous and next track controls 
the most intuitive.
Automatic Ear Detection can also be toggled off, if you so choose. Ear 
detection automatically transfers audio to the headphones when placed in your 
ears and disables it when removed.
AirPods automatically transfer audio to either the left or right microphone 
based on which it thinks sounds best/clearest but that isn't always the best 
route. By designating this manually, you can be sure the best option is chosen 
for your environment. If you leave this on, another quick tip is by taking a 
phone call with one earbud in at a time. If the battery starts to die on that 
earbud, you simply put the other in your ear, then remove the first and it will 
route the audio to freshly charged earbud letting you talk for far more than 
the five hours Apple quotes for the second gen model.

All of your devices
Thanks to iCloud, AirPods are automatically available on any device Apple 
device you own. That includes Apple Watch, Mac, iPad, and Apple TV.
On Apple Watch, swipe up from the bottom to enter Control Center and tap the 
AirPlay icon. Now just choose your AirPods. On your Mac, open your AirPods and 
select the audio icon in the menu bar (your battery life will also be shown).
 
AirPods being accessed from the Apple TV From the Apple TV, swipe down from the 
top, go to audio section, and your AirPods should be listed. From the Home 
menu, tap and hold the play/pause button to bring up the audio controls which 
will also list your AirPods.
You need to be signed into your iCloud account on all these devices for this 
feature to work.

AirPods battery on Apple Watch
>From Apple Watch, you have a few more handy options. In Control Center, if you 
>tap on the battery icon while the AirPods are connected, you will see the 
>remaining charge on each bud.
Since we are talking battery, the Battery widget on your iOS device also is a 
good location to see the AirPods battery life without having to bring them near 
your device.

Getting more out of AirPods
If you've ever misplaced your AirPods, you know what a str

RE: Music genres in iTunes

[Simon Fogarty]

Hey Petrus,

Gotta remember he’s Canadian
So we can give him a bit of credit.

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2019 11:33 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Music genres in iTunes

Hi,

Probably lots.  YOu'd of figured it out yourself.  Just may have taken longer 
:).

Have a good one..

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 7, 2019, at 17:29, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks Tim, What would we do without you.
Take care,
Petrus


On 8/05/2019, at 11:24 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Totally doable.  Simply select the song, songs, or titles within an album then 
press cmd-i to Get Info on the songs.  Either press tab until you find the 
Genre field, or VO navigate to the Scroll area, interact with it and navigate 
to the Genre field.  When focused on this field, you can VO-space to choose 
from the available genres, or type one in yourself if you'd prefer to create 
your own.  Navigate to the OK button and press it and voila, all done.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 7, 2019, at 17:16, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi All,
Not sure if this can be done, but is there a way of changing the genre of a 
song or album in my music collection in my iTunes library? I’ve ripped most of 
my CD collection to my Mac now but some of them clearly are not the genre that 
iTunes says they are. When I’m at work I like to choose a genre and set it to 
shuffle so I get a random selection of songs, and I’ll suddenly get one that 
I’m not expecting.
Thanks in advance,
Sent from Petrus' MacBook


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Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!

['Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Simon,
Thanks. Sometimes I feel a little uncertanty about installing windows due to 
all the different experiences we all have had over the last several years.
So again, I really appreciate it.
Thanks. 


> On May 8, 2019, at 12:52 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> If you have the Mojave mac os and windows 1803 then you should be fine with 
> just using a usb connection headphones and or headphones with 3.5mm jack.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2019 4:14 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
> 
> Hello,
> Thanks for the info regarding the sound card.
> At this point, I’m not sure it’s even worth it. I’ll have to do a little 
> research and ask some additional questions before even attempting to install 
> Windows.
> Do VMs work ok with the built-in sound card on the Mac Mini?
> 
> 
>> On May 7, 2019, at 7:37 AM, Matt Turner  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, also if your wanting to install windows viea bootcamp.
>> you will need a class compliant sound card for having speech with narrator 
>> for the install.
>> Apple did some changing of the audiocodic, so using the headphone jack for 
>> the narrator speech at start up won’t work either.
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 7, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Tom Moore  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I use jaws most of the time, and nvda or narrator when I get stuck.
>>> 
>>> Tom
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  On Behalf Of B G
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 8:49 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
>>> 
>>> Ah now that is interesting. What screen-reader(s) do you have on your 
>>> Windows?
>>> I am incidentally totally new to Mac OS and all my knowledge comes 
>>> from articles and anecdotes from forums like this..
>>> Ben.
>>> 
>>> On 5/7/19, Tom Moore  wrote:
 Windows will run just fine on a mac with 16 gb of ram.
 I have an Imac mid 2013 here and I run windows on it every day with 
 out any issues.
 The big key here for running any type of Vmware based operating 
 system is that you'll want to have an ssd in the mac to give the best 
 experience.
 Give windows say 3 or 4 gigs and you'll do fine under windows unless 
 you are a user who uses lots of memory, then I'd bump it up to say 6 
 or 8 gigs if you needed too, but I haven't found that I have needed to do 
 this.
 
 Tom
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  On Behalf Of B G
 Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:19 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
 
 Worth noting that VMWare Fusion allows you to share the clipboard 
 between Mac OS and MS Windows - it's like running another piece of 
 software on top of Mac OS; needless to say that it isn't without its 
 own set of challenges vis a vis sharing hardware resources and so 
 forth. Moreover, I'm not sure that even your 16GB ram will be 
 sufficient for running Windows on VM very smoothly. So you're 
 probably better off with Bootcamp.
 Good luck
 Ben
 
 
 On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
> Hello,
> It has a I7 processor, 16 gb memory and 500 gb SSD.
> I will be using Boot Camp. I suppose I could use a VM, but I want a 
> native install of windows.
> Still working out a few details.
> Later.
> 
> 
>> On May 6, 2019, at 10:02 PM, B G  wrote:
>> 
>> Will you be using VMWare Fusion for running Windows? And, what are 
>> your hardware specs?
>> Ben
>> 
>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>>> Hello list,
>>> I just recceived my Mac Mini today and I love it. Got it set up 
>>> without any problems what soever.
>>> In the days to come, I’ll have questions. Mostly concerning 
>>> installing Windows 10. This will probably take place in a few weeks for 
>>> a project.
>>> Later.
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RE: Music genres in iTunes

[Simon Fogarty]

Yesh you can change it under get info and then go through the setting / config 
and I think genre is under details.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2019 11:16 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Music genres in iTunes

Hi All,
Not sure if this can be done, but is there a way of changing the genre of a 
song or album in my music collection in my iTunes library? I’ve ripped most of 
my CD collection to my Mac now but some of them clearly are not the genre that 
iTunes says they are. When I’m at work I like to choose a genre and set it to 
shuffle so I get a random selection of songs, and I’ll suddenly get one that 
I’m not expecting.
Thanks in advance,
Sent from Petrus' MacBook

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RE: New Mac Mini and I love it!

[Simon Fogarty]

If you have the Mojave mac os and windows 1803 then you should be fine with 
just using a usb connection headphones and or headphones with 3.5mm jack.

-Original Message-
From: 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2019 4:14 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!

Hello,
Thanks for the info regarding the sound card.
At this point, I’m not sure it’s even worth it. I’ll have to do a little 
research and ask some additional questions before even attempting to install 
Windows.
Do VMs work ok with the built-in sound card on the Mac Mini?


> On May 7, 2019, at 7:37 AM, Matt Turner  wrote:
> 
> Hi, also if your wanting to install windows viea bootcamp.
> you will need a class compliant sound card for having speech with narrator 
> for the install.
> Apple did some changing of the audiocodic, so using the headphone jack for 
> the narrator speech at start up won’t work either.
> 
> 
>> On May 7, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Tom Moore  wrote:
>> 
>> I use jaws most of the time, and nvda or narrator when I get stuck.
>> 
>> Tom
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  On Behalf Of B G
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 8:49 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
>> 
>> Ah now that is interesting. What screen-reader(s) do you have on your 
>> Windows?
>> I am incidentally totally new to Mac OS and all my knowledge comes 
>> from articles and anecdotes from forums like this..
>> Ben.
>> 
>> On 5/7/19, Tom Moore  wrote:
>>> Windows will run just fine on a mac with 16 gb of ram.
>>> I have an Imac mid 2013 here and I run windows on it every day with 
>>> out any issues.
>>> The big key here for running any type of Vmware based operating 
>>> system is that you'll want to have an ssd in the mac to give the best 
>>> experience.
>>> Give windows say 3 or 4 gigs and you'll do fine under windows unless 
>>> you are a user who uses lots of memory, then I'd bump it up to say 6 
>>> or 8 gigs if you needed too, but I haven't found that I have needed to do 
>>> this.
>>> 
>>> Tom
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  On Behalf Of B G
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:19 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
>>> 
>>> Worth noting that VMWare Fusion allows you to share the clipboard 
>>> between Mac OS and MS Windows - it's like running another piece of 
>>> software on top of Mac OS; needless to say that it isn't without its 
>>> own set of challenges vis a vis sharing hardware resources and so 
>>> forth. Moreover, I'm not sure that even your 16GB ram will be 
>>> sufficient for running Windows on VM very smoothly. So you're 
>>> probably better off with Bootcamp.
>>> Good luck
>>> Ben
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
 Hello,
 It has a I7 processor, 16 gb memory and 500 gb SSD.
 I will be using Boot Camp. I suppose I could use a VM, but I want a 
 native install of windows.
 Still working out a few details.
 Later.
 
 
> On May 6, 2019, at 10:02 PM, B G  wrote:
> 
> Will you be using VMWare Fusion for running Windows? And, what are 
> your hardware specs?
> Ben
> 
> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>> Hello list,
>> I just recceived my Mac Mini today and I love it. Got it set up 
>> without any problems what soever.
>> In the days to come, I’ll have questions. Mostly concerning 
>> installing Windows 10. This will probably take place in a few weeks for 
>> a project.
>> Later.
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RE: Thinking of Downgrading Back to iPhone 8 Because of Lack of Touch ID - Finding Face ID not as Efficient and Slower

[Simon Fogarty]

not really,

I don't mind face id now I've gotten use to it,
My phone is the x so I've had 18 months to get to know it well.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Mika Pyyhkala
Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2019 2:39 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Thinking of Downgrading Back to iPhone 8 Because of Lack of Touch ID - 
Finding Face ID not as Efficient and Slower

I got the iPhone 10S around launch time, and while of course face id 
technically works with VoiceOver, I find its much less efficient and time 
consuming than touch id.  It seems to take more effort than it did with touch 
id.

At least a few to several times a day I have to manually enter my passcode.  
This was rarely the case with touch id, maybe with touch id, I might have to 
manually enter my passcode a few times a week rather than a few times a day.

I have to concentrate a little bit to get face id to work where as the touch id 
"just worked," it was kind of like breathing you never had to even think about 
it for a nanosecond.

I wish someone did a study to see how much longer it takes VoiceOver users to 
unlock the phone with face id instead of touch id.  I would be shocked if it 
the same or faster.

It probably takes, I'm just guessing, an extra 1-3 seconds on average to unlock 
the phone.

I find it also is a much less natural movement to have to pull the phone pretty 
far from my face to unlock it as opposed to using the fingerprint.

I am curious if the rest of you have this experience, or if you have gotten 
face id to the point whereyou think its just as efficient and does not take any 
longer than touch id.

I'm not sure if Jonathan Mosen still reads this list but he has mentioned  as 
an example and data point that he does not miss the touch id and he does not 
find the face id to be less efficient.

I would hate to go backwards but I find the face id to be at least a moderate 
annoyance when I was used to touch id working nearly perfectly 99% of the time.

Best,
Mika

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RE: New Mac Mini and I love it!

[Simon Fogarty]

jaws or nvda


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2019 12:49 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!

Ah now that is interesting. What screen-reader(s) do you have on your Windows?
I am incidentally totally new to Mac OS and all my knowledge comes from 
articles and anecdotes from forums like this..
Ben.

On 5/7/19, Tom Moore  wrote:
> Windows will run just fine on a mac with 16 gb of ram.
> I have an Imac mid 2013 here and I run windows on it every day with 
> out any issues.
> The big key here for running any type of Vmware based operating system 
> is that you'll want to have an ssd in the mac to give the best experience.
> Give windows say 3 or 4 gigs and you'll do fine under windows unless 
> you are a user who uses lots of memory, then I'd bump it up to say 6 
> or 8 gigs if you needed too, but I haven't found that I have needed to do 
> this.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of B G
> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 1:19 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!
>
> Worth noting that VMWare Fusion allows you to share the clipboard 
> between Mac OS and MS Windows - it's like running another piece of 
> software on top of Mac OS; needless to say that it isn't without its 
> own set of challenges vis a vis sharing hardware resources and so 
> forth. Moreover, I'm not sure that even your 16GB ram will be 
> sufficient for running Windows on VM very smoothly. So you're probably 
> better off with Bootcamp.
> Good luck
> Ben
>
>
> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>> Hello,
>> It has a I7 processor, 16 gb memory and 500 gb SSD.
>> I will be using Boot Camp. I suppose I could use a VM, but I want a 
>> native install of windows.
>> Still working out a few details.
>> Later.
>>
>>
>>> On May 6, 2019, at 10:02 PM, B G  wrote:
>>>
>>> Will you be using VMWare Fusion for running Windows? And, what are 
>>> your hardware specs?
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
 Hello list,
 I just recceived my Mac Mini today and I love it. Got it set up 
 without any problems what soever.
 In the days to come, I’ll have questions. Mostly concerning 
 installing Windows 10. This will probably take place in a few weeks for a 
 project.
 Later.

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RE: New Mac Mini and I love it!

[Simon Fogarty]

I run windows 10 1809 on my mac book air 2013 and it's only got 8 gig ram,
It works great in both boot camp or a vm.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2019 12:42 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New Mac Mini and I love it!

Windows will run just fine on a mac with 16 gb of ram.
I have an Imac mid 2013 here and I run windows on it every day with out any 
issues.
The big key here for running any type of Vmware based operating system is that 
you'll want to have an ssd in the mac to give the best experience.
Give windows say 3 or 4 gigs and you'll do fine under windows unless you are a 
user who uses lots of memory, then I'd bump it up to say 6 or 8 gigs if you 
needed too, but I haven't found that I have needed to do this.

Tom





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Worth noting that VMWare Fusion allows you to share the clipboard between Mac 
OS and MS Windows - it's like running another piece of software on top of Mac 
OS; needless to say that it isn't without its own set of challenges vis a vis 
sharing hardware resources and so forth. Moreover, I'm not sure that even your 
16GB ram will be sufficient for running Windows on VM very smoothly. So you're 
probably better off with Bootcamp.
Good luck
Ben


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> Hello,
> It has a I7 processor, 16 gb memory and 500 gb SSD.
> I will be using Boot Camp. I suppose I could use a VM, but I want a 
> native install of windows.
> Still working out a few details.
> Later.
>
>
>> On May 6, 2019, at 10:02 PM, B G  wrote:
>>
>> Will you be using VMWare Fusion for running Windows? And, what are 
>> your hardware specs?
>> Ben
>>
>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>>> Hello list,
>>> I just recceived my Mac Mini today and I love it. Got it set up 
>>> without any problems what soever.
>>> In the days to come, I’ll have questions. Mostly concerning 
>>> installing Windows 10. This will probably take place in a few weeks for a 
>>> project.
>>> Later.
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Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!

['Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
This discussion has come up regarding older mac minis. Can I use headphones 
while installing windows using narrator, or will I have to use an external 
sound card? Of course, I’m talking about the windows install process as a 
totally blind person.


> On May 8, 2019, at 12:36 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> That machine will be fine for pretty much everything you will do,
> 
> As for native windows, 
> Use boot camp and you wont know the difference and get the correct drivers 
> from apple to ensure everything works fine for you.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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> 
> Hello,
> It has a I7 processor, 16 gb memory and 500 gb SSD.
> I will be using Boot Camp. I suppose I could use a VM, but I want a native 
> install of windows.
> Still working out a few details.
> Later.
> 
> 
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>> Will you be using VMWare Fusion for running Windows? And, what are 
>> your hardware specs?
>> Ben
>> 
>> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>>> I just recceived my Mac Mini today and I love it. Got it set up 
>>> without any problems what soever.
>>> In the days to come, I’ll have questions. Mostly concerning 
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RE: New Mac Mini and I love it!

[Simon Fogarty]

That machine will be fine for pretty much everything you will do,

As for native windows, 
Use boot camp and you wont know the difference and get the correct drivers from 
apple to ensure everything works fine for you.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2019 5:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Mac Mini and I love it!

Hello,
It has a I7 processor, 16 gb memory and 500 gb SSD.
I will be using Boot Camp. I suppose I could use a VM, but I want a native 
install of windows.
Still working out a few details.
Later.


> On May 6, 2019, at 10:02 PM, B G  wrote:
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> Will you be using VMWare Fusion for running Windows? And, what are 
> your hardware specs?
> Ben
> 
> On 5/7/19, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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>> I just recceived my Mac Mini today and I love it. Got it set up 
>> without any problems what soever.
>> In the days to come, I’ll have questions. Mostly concerning 
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RE: Trouble learning face-id

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Jarmy jo,

I have turned attention off on my phone as with it on you need to be looking at 
the camera to get it to work,
 However and this could be the same now on the iPhone also,
On my iPad pro the attention mode was automatically off with voiceover being on,
 It appears that apple have thought about that one.

Hope it helps.

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Mary Jo Partyka
Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2019 3:58 PM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Trouble learning face-id

Hi, Cliff,

Thank you for responding to me but I have another question.  Should the items 
about attention be on or off.  I looked at something in Applevis and it said 
that attention should be off.  Is that correct>  How do you know when you face 
is in the frame?

I hope I’m not being tough on you but just looking for it to work.  I know you 
and Matt will have the correct answer for me.


Mary Jo Partyka
choir...@gmail.com


> On May 6, 2019, at 4:03 AM, KliphnShari Miller  wrote:
> 
> Go to settings, faceID and pass code, tap setup face id, and hold the phone 
> about 10 inches away from your face, and rotate your head in a circular 
> motion, voiceover will guide you after that.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone X
> 
> On May 5, 2019, at 10:58 PM, Mary Jo Partyka  wrote:
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> 
> I just purchased an xr last week and need help doing it.  I don’t mind 
> putting in the passcode each time but that’s not really what I wanted.  Can 
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RE: Airport devices and logging.

[Simon Fogarty]

Could you not view your activity logs relating to the application
That you are playing the radio shows through.
From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2019 9:21 AM
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Subject: Re: Airport devices and logging.

Hi,

Not really.  The Airport Utility has a UI that makes setup and other processes 
easy for the end user, but the troubleshooting log is not particularly robust, 
and thus not particularly useful.  I expect that there may be some other ways 
of connecting that Apple Techs use that access more in-depth stats, but I 
haven't found much else helpful.  There is an Analytics option under the 
BaseStation menu, but it is very limited and I don't believe that it would be 
of much help to you.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 6, 2019, at 11:58, Anders Holmberg 
mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:

Hi!
Can i view logs from the Airport i have connected to my cable modem?
The reason i ask is that i have had some radio shows playing and they just 
stopp with no reason but when i pause them and start the playback again they 
start working.
This has happend in more then tuneinradio so i think its a wifi kind of error 
and therefore i want to see if there’s a posibility to resolve that by viewing 
the log.
/A

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RE: Magic keyboard for mac

[Simon Fogarty]

And if need be  you can plug a lightening to usb cable into it and run it as a 
wired keyboard.

Means you can charge and use at the same time.

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2019 1:37 AM
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Hi,

Apple only sells the full size keyboard in a wireless version now.  So, the 
Magic 2 with NumPad, or extended, is the one you are looking for.  I use them 
and like them a lot.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
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Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 6, 2019, at 07:23, matthew dyer 
mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Morning all,

I am considering a new magic keyboarders for my apple devices as it is 
currently all worn out and some of the keys are no longer working.  Does apple 
still have the keyboard with the numbed on the side.  I would like to get  this 
as I have been using a num-pad for other reasons.  If anyone is using this 
keyboard what are your thoughts.  Thanks.

Matthew


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Re: Thinking of Downgrading Back to iPhone 8 Because of Lack of Touch ID - Finding Face ID not as Efficient and Slower

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

I find that if I hold the phone in front of my face and move it back a little 
that generally works - I would say however, that the first time I set the Face 
ID up I did it with VO off and my daughter helped me - then I did it again with 
VO on and it works better - I think when I did it the first time I did it too 
fast so maybe doing it with vo on is better. 

But as I say if I just pull the phone away from my face a little so that it is 
about 1 foot away that tends to work each time 

> On 8 May 2019, at 02:55, Mary Jo Partyka  > wrote:
> 
> Hi, Tim,
> 
> I was looking at some responses to the face-id dilemma.  I had someone from 
> Apple Support help me reset my face-id and it worked.  However, i tried to 
> unlock it several times with no success.  Is there a certain way I should be 
> holding my phone to make it work?  iI have my attention features off and am 
> just confused.
> 
> 
> Mary Jo Partyka
> choir...@gmail.com 
> 
> 
>> On May 7, 2019, at 11:08 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I don't have any real issues with Face ID.  Do you have the Attention 
>> feature disabled?  Normally, I just pull out my iPhone, put it in a close 
>> enough proximity to normal position, then press the side button.  Within a 
>> very short time, I feel the double-haptic vibration and I'm good to go.  It 
>> doesn't even need to be in perfect position.  I can have it a little off to 
>> the side, or a little higher or lower than my face, and it unlocks just 
>> fine.  I only need to enter the pass-code once every week or two.  The times 
>> that I do have an issue with it not recognizing my face, I just lock the 
>> screen, wait a second or so then go through the process again and it unlocks.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On May 7, 2019, at 08:38, Mika Pyyhkala > > wrote:
>> 
>> I got the iPhone 10S around launch time, and while of course face id
>> technically works with VoiceOver, I find its much less efficient and
>> time consuming than touch id.  It seems to take more effort than it
>> did with touch id.
>> 
>> At least a few to several times a day I have to manually enter my
>> passcode.  This was rarely the case with touch id, maybe with touch
>> id, I might have to manually enter my passcode a few times a week
>> rather than a few times a day.
>> 
>> I have to concentrate a little bit to get face id to work where as the
>> touch id "just worked," it was kind of like breathing you never had to
>> even think about it for a nanosecond.
>> 
>> I wish someone did a study to see how much longer it takes VoiceOver
>> users to unlock the phone with face id instead of touch id.  I would
>> be shocked if it the same or faster.
>> 
>> It probably takes, I'm just guessing, an extra 1-3 seconds on average
>> to unlock the phone.
>> 
>> I find it also is a much less natural movement to have to pull the
>> phone pretty far from my face to unlock it as opposed to using the
>> fingerprint.
>> 
>> I am curious if the rest of you have this experience, or if you have
>> gotten face id to the point whereyou think its just as efficient and
>> does not take any longer than touch id.
>> 
>> I'm not sure if Jonathan Mosen still reads this list but he has
>> mentioned  as an example and data point that he does not miss the
>> touch id and he does not find the face id to be less efficient.
>> 
>> I would hate to go backwards but I find the face id to be at least a
>> moderate annoyance when I was used to touch id working nearly
>> perfectly 99% of the time.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Mika
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