Re: new mac books

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

So, good luck with it, Simon! May you be pleasantly surprised.

Best,

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
>  To late,
> 
> I've grabbed the 16GB I7 pro and as for the keyboard well that's something I 
> can't get around as apple don't make a better option.
> If I get stuck I'll just make changes with a hot stick or something.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Monday, 10 June 2019 1:27 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new mac books
> 
> Hi, Simon:
> 
> Being limited to 8Gb RAM might be a problem if you're running Win10, and 
> especially if running in a vm.
> 
> But, I should think a keyboard you don't like would be even worse.
> 
> Can you hold out to see what comes from Apple later in the year? A lot of 
> people are having issues with the newer keyboards. Seems reasonable Apple 
> will do something about those complaints.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
> > Hi Janina,
> > 
> >  That' my thoughts also,
> > 
> >  I can get a 2017 13" air for 2504 NZ dollars,  But it's got the 
> > custom build with 8gb ram, 2.2GHz I7 processor and 512GB ram, Oh and 
> > it's got the older keyboard style, But now I'm thinking I should just 
> > go for a newer pro and get use to the new butterfly keyboard as I'm 
> > guessing it's not going anywhere quickly.
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > 
> > Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2019 12:20 AM
> > To: 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
> > 
> > Subject: Re: new mac books
> > 
> > Thanks very much for this info, Shawn.
> > 
> > 
> > These days I'm preferring the smallest and lightest physical unit I can get 
> > packed to the teeth with RAM, CPU, and SSD. So, a 2017 Air might just be 
> > the ticket.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries writes:
> > > I should've said the 2017 MacBook Air did the startup chime in Mojave 
> > > which is what I have.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:03 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Hi Janina. In Mojave, the 2017 models did make the startup chime. I'm 
> > > > currently beta testing Catalina which is 10.15 so I can't say if it's 
> > > > still there or not.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >> On Jun 3, 2019, at 12:45 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > > >>  wrote:
> > > >> 
> > > >> I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 
> > > >> 2017 models still have the boot chime?
> > > >> 
> > > >> Janina
> > > >> 
> > > >> Simon Fogarty writes:
> > > >>> Hi Listers,
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" 
> > > >>> MacBookAir,
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently 
> > > >>> available 2017 version of the mac book air, Apart from only 
> > > >>> being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
> > > >>> spec'ed out completely,
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for 
> > > >>> apple to put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the 
> > > >>> mac book pro range?
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still 
> > > >>> can't get use to the keys on the keyboard.
> > > >>> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
> > > >>> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book 
> > > >>> line?
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Screen reader support for Office 365 on Macs

[Antonio Guimaraes]

Hi all,

I am back with the same problem I had 7 months ago. Not that anyone will 
remember, but I could not read by column title when navigating in Excel. I am 
compiling a list of things that do not work so I can make the case at one of 
this year's consumer conventions that this be addressed.

I would appreciate any input about features in any of the Office 365 products 
that do not work, can not be performed with VoiceOver on the Mac.

If you think these products are adequate on the Mac side, let me know, too.

Best,

Antonio


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Re: high quality speakers for mac mini

[B G]

Thank you. I've found a pair on Amazon for £230 which is reasonable I
suppose. I wonder, are they wall mountable?
Thanks also to everyone else for their recommendations.
I was going to buy a monitor with built-in speakers but then it
occurred to me that for £120 I might not get the audio quality I would
be happy with. There's nothing worse than tinny, substandard speakers
to assault your eardrums. There we are. *smile*

regards, Ben


On 6/10/19, jeff `greene  wrote:
> Hi, I found the name of the speakers I have and really love: IK
> Multimedia iLoud Micro Monitor Ultra Compact Studio Monitors.
> I paid $230 on ebay but I think list price is higher than that.
> Jeff
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Re: Using selective sync in dropbox?

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Herman,
Agreed! :)
Chuck

On Jun 10, 2019, at 4:56 PM,   
wrote:

> That is a temporary work around. That is not an acceptable solution though. 
> Please don’t let dropbox tech support lead you remotely to that as a possible 
> solution. Especially when you are able to do this independently on other 
> platforms.
>  
> I would start the process by asking for an update regarding this since as of 
> six months ago, it was escalated to engineering for a fix. In the meantime, 
> Phil’s suggestions if you don’t want to wait for Dropbox to get back to you, 
> are absolutely doable.
> 
> HF
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Phil Halton
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 12:30 PM
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> Subject: Re: Using selective sync in dropbox?
>  
> Isn’t there a “select all“ button somewhere in that selective sync screen? I 
> believe we all had a workaround about this where you could simply select all, 
> and then go through the list hitting on the ones you don’t want to sync. 
> Another potential workaround is to use Be My Eyes app. People there would 
> love to help you know which folders are selected and which aren’t as you move 
> down the list and select and deselect folders.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
>  
> 
> On Jun 10, 2019, at 7:35 AM, Michael Busboom  wrote:
> 
> Hello.
>  
> I have been wanting to selectively synch specific folders, but not others, 
> for a long time, too.  Is there a specific person at Dropbox to whom we can 
> address this question, or should we just use supp...@dropbox.com, provided 
> that email address exists?
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Mike
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On 08.06.2019, at 20:49, Herman Fermin  wrote:
>  
> At the moment, you can’t. Or at least, VoiceOver does not tell you the state 
> whether the folder is checked or unchecked. Please report it to the dropbox 
> support so perhaps they will actually do something about it. They definitely 
> are aware. That has been broken for quite awhile.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 8, 2019, at 6:41 AM, Matt  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks.
> 
> I've been trying to figure this out.
> 
> On the windows side of dropbox, you can check, and uncheck, the folders you 
> don't want synced to your computer.
> 
> I can't seem to figure out how to do this on the mac side.
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RE: Using selective sync in dropbox?

[hermanfermin]

That is a temporary work around. That is not an acceptable solution though. 
Please don’t let dropbox tech support lead you remotely to that as a possible 
solution. Especially when you are able to do this independently on other 
platforms.

 

I would start the process by asking for an update regarding this since as of 
six months ago, it was escalated to engineering for a fix. In the meantime, 
Phil’s suggestions if you don’t want to wait for Dropbox to get back to you, 
are absolutely doable.


HF

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Phil Halton
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 12:30 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using selective sync in dropbox?

 

Isn’t there a “select all“ button somewhere in that selective sync screen? I 
believe we all had a workaround about this where you could simply select all, 
and then go through the list hitting on the ones you don’t want to sync. 
Another potential workaround is to use Be My Eyes app. People there would love 
to help you know which folders are selected and which aren’t as you move down 
the list and select and deselect folders.

Sent from my IPhone

 


On Jun 10, 2019, at 7:35 AM, Michael Busboom mailto:mbusb...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hello.

 

I have been wanting to selectively synch specific folders, but not others, for 
a long time, too.  Is there a specific person at Dropbox to whom we can address 
this question, or should we just use supp...@dropbox.com 
 , provided that email address exists?

 

Thanks,

 

Mike

 






On 08.06.2019, at 20:49, Herman Fermin mailto:hermanfer...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

At the moment, you can’t. Or at least, VoiceOver does not tell you the state 
whether the folder is checked or unchecked. Please report it to the dropbox 
support so perhaps they will actually do something about it. They definitely 
are aware. That has been broken for quite awhile.







On Jun 8, 2019, at 6:41 AM, Matt mailto:meturner2...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi folks.

I've been trying to figure this out.

On the windows side of dropbox, you can check, and uncheck, the folders you 
don't want synced to your computer.

I can't seem to figure out how to do this on the mac side.

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Re: Good Quality Speakers for the Mac Mini

['Dan' via MacVisionaries]

Hello,
I'm also looking for good quality speakers for the mac mini.
I am attempting to find USB speakers. Not just USB powered, but also using the 
USB connection for audio as well, not the 3.5 MM jack.
I have found external sound cards. I've also found many USB powered speakers 
but they still use the 3.5 MM jack for the audio. Not what I want.
I'm still looking.
Any suggestions?




Dan


> On Jun 10, 2019, at 1:12 PM, B G  wrote:
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> I thought I'd consult the list on this considering we screen-reader
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Re: Good Quality Speakers for the Mac Mini

[Mary Otten]

I have the Bowers and Wilkins MM one speakers. They have been out for quite a 
few years, but I absolutely love them. When I bought them years ago, they were 
$300. I would hope that by now they will have a come down some. They are 
wonderfully musical, particularly if you like classical and jazz. Amazing 
frequency response for the size of the speaker.


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RE: high quality speakers for mac mini

[jeff `greene]

Hi, I found the name of the speakers I have and really love: IK
Multimedia iLoud Micro Monitor Ultra Compact Studio Monitors.
I paid $230 on ebay but I think list price is higher than that.
Jeff

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Re: Good Quality Speakers for the Mac Mini

[jeff `greene]

Hi, I like the Audio Engine A2+ speakers they are really sweet! Also
some of Logitech's higher-end speakers are pretty good, I'd stay away
from the under $100 models though. I have a really good pair plugged
into my mac mini but can't remember the name, I know the name has the
word "digital" in it and they cost like $250 a pair. One last note
I've often found that that site called something like top 10 reviews
has been invaluable in the past. Just do a google search for the best
pc speakers in 2019 and you'll find it.
Hope this helps! Jeff


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> How much are you willing to spend? Are you also looking for something that
> will play music well?
> Aleeha Dudley
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>> Much obliged, Ben
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Re: Good Quality Speakers for the Mac Mini

[Aleeha Dudley]

Hi Ben, 
How much are you willing to spend? Are you also looking for something that will 
play music well?
Aleeha Dudley 

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> rate. Can the list offer any recommendations?
> Much obliged, Ben
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Good Quality Speakers for the Mac Mini

[B G]

I thought I'd consult the list on this considering we screen-reader
users on average tend to be more selective about the quality of our
audio equipment. In short, I'm looking for either a decent set of
speakers or a monitor with a decent pair of built-in speakers. There's
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rate. Can the list offer any recommendations?
Much obliged, Ben

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Re: Is there a limit on the number of devices you can have signed in to iCloud drive?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Well, it worked.  Thanks, Tim.
Best,
Donna


> On Jun 10, 2019, at 8:46 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
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> I've not noticed a limit, but I really haven't put more than four or five 
> devices using iCloud Drive at a time.  I believe that there is a limit of 10 
> devices that can be associated with your Apple ID, so that may be a 
> limitation.  Although, that may also be different now that HomePods and Apple 
> TV's are associated with your Apple ID.  It would be annoying to use up the 
> device count just because you like multiple HomePods and Apple TV's in your 
> house.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> On Jun 9, 2019, at 18:15, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> If so, what is it?
> TIA,
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Re: Using selective sync in dropbox?

[Phil Halton]

Isn’t there a “select all“ button somewhere in that selective sync screen? I 
believe we all had a workaround about this where you could simply select all, 
and then go through the list hitting on the ones you don’t want to sync. 
Another potential workaround is to use Be My Eyes app. People there would love 
to help you know which folders are selected and which aren’t as you move down 
the list and select and deselect folders.

Sent from my IPhone


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> Hello.
> 
> I have been wanting to selectively synch specific folders, but not others, 
> for a long time, too.  Is there a specific person at Dropbox to whom we can 
> address this question, or should we just use supp...@dropbox.com, provided 
> that email address exists?
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> Thanks,
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
>> On 08.06.2019, at 20:49, Herman Fermin  wrote:
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>> At the moment, you can’t. Or at least, VoiceOver does not tell you the state 
>> whether the folder is checked or unchecked. Please report it to the dropbox 
>> support so perhaps they will actually do something about it. They definitely 
>> are aware. That has been broken for quite awhile.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2019, at 6:41 AM, Matt  wrote:
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>>> Hi folks.
>>> 
>>> I've been trying to figure this out.
>>> 
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>>> don't want synced to your computer.
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Re: Is there a limit on the number of devices you can have signed in to iCloud drive?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I've not noticed a limit, but I really haven't put more than four or five 
devices using iCloud Drive at a time.  I believe that there is a limit of 10 
devices that can be associated with your Apple ID, so that may be a limitation. 
 Although, that may also be different now that HomePods and Apple TV's are 
associated with your Apple ID.  It would be annoying to use up the device count 
just because you like multiple HomePods and Apple TV's in your house.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
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On Jun 9, 2019, at 18:15, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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If so, what is it?
TIA,
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Re: Not Bourne Again

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

In preparation, under Mojave I used chsh to change the shell to /bin/zsh.

You can do it as follows:
chsh -s /bin/zsh

I am yet to learn much about zsh. It's mostly Bourne shell compatible, 
apparently. It's also available under Linux, of course, for those of us who use 
Linux as I do.

On 6/7/19, 13:29, "Barry Hadder"  wrote:

Hello all:

For anyone this may concern, The default shell starting in Catalina will no 
longer be bash.  It will be the zsh shell.  It appears that Apple will be 
phasing bash out all together at some point.  So, I suppose now would be a good 
time to switch over and tweak any shell scrips.  It’s time to say good by to 
the wildebeest.
Here is the support article: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208050.

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Re: iBooks

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Michael,
I experienced this as well. What usually helped was closing iBooks completely 
even from the App Switcher. After reopening it worked as expected.
All the best
Jürgen


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 10.06.2019 um 13:53 schrieb Michael Busboom :
> 
> Hello.
> 
> I, too, use the Books app on my iPhone XR and am very satisfied.  The only 
> really frustrating issue for me (or it was frustrating when I last 
> encountered it about a year ago) is that it is very difficult, though 
> possible, to use the app when the screen is locked.  With Voice Dream Reader, 
> you can lock the screen and the book keeps being read aloud.  However, when I 
> tried locking the screen while the reading of an iBook was in progress, 
> reading stopped.  I couldn’t make this work with the Books app, even though I 
> had turned „Speak screen“ on.
> 
> Best regards and happy reading!
> 
> Mike 
> 
> 
>> On 10.06.2019, at 08:25, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ben,
>>  
>> Books on the iPhone works very very well.
>>  
>> I use it on my iPhone and iPods all the time.
>>  
>> I’ve not had any issues with it at all.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Ben Constantini
>> Sent: Monday, 10 June 2019 4:04 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iBooks
>>  
>> Thanks Anne , I just  tried it on my mac with an old book I had purchased  
>> awhile back and it seemed to work okay . I am anxious to see how it works on 
>> my iPhone xr .
>>  
>> Thanks again , 
>> Ben Constantini
>> bennnyconstant...@gmail.com
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 9, 2019, at 11:48 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>  
>> Hello Ben,
>>  
>> Both on the Mac and on iOS, iBooks is now just called Books. On iOS, it’s 
>> very easy to use, rather less so on the Mac.
>> Cheers,
>>  
>> Anne
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On 9 Jun 2019, at 17:25, N2KPV  wrote:
>>  
>> I was wondering if anyone uses Ibooks and how accessible it is with 
>> voiceOver . I saw  a book I am interested in and was considering purchasing 
>> it .  I remember a few years back having trouble navigating  it . Hopefully 
>> it has gotten better .
>>  
>> Thanks in advance , Ben C.
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Re: General Screen search on iOS

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
You can do it with an external keyboard i think.
Vo f as on the mac.
/A

> 8 juni 2019 kl. 02:54 skrev B G :
> 
> Unless the feature exists already -- and has therefore hitherto
> escaped my notice -- a general screen  search tool on iOS would come
> in very handy.  Suppose you're in Safari and the information, e.g. a
> phone number, is many lines or even screens down. Rather than
> traversing everything before you get to it, you would perform a unique
> gesture, e.g. a two-finger rest i.e. tap and hold in position,
> followed by a thumb swipe to pull up a search dialogue box. You would
> enter your search text and press enter (or perform a two-finger right
> swipe on the onscreen Braille keypad) and voila, focus is positioned
> at the start of your search result! Of course, you could make the
> feature as fancy and elaborate as you want but its very basic function
> should be searching for the next occurrence of the search string, and
> positioning focus at start of said string.
> What does the list think? Any comments, criticisms, any flaws in the
> idea, all welcome.
> I'm hoping once we've hammered out something we could all agree on we
> will then present it to Apple as a feature request.
> Ben
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Re: Not Bourne Again

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Is it much  that differs from bash?
/A

> 7 juni 2019 kl. 20:58 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Thanks, Barry.
> 
> This is certainly a heads up yours truly seriously appreciates. I've yet
> to get comfortable with the Zulu shell. I guess this is my wake up call.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> Barry Hadder writes:
>> Hello all:
>> 
>> For anyone this may concern, The default shell starting in Catalina will no 
>> longer be bash.  It will be the zsh shell.  It appears that Apple will be 
>> phasing bash out all together at some point.  So, I suppose now would be a 
>> good time to switch over and tweak any shell scrips.  It’s time to say good 
>> by to the wildebeest.
>> Here is the support article: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208050.
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Re: iBooks

[Michael Busboom]

Hello.

I, too, use the Books app on my iPhone XR and am very satisfied.  The only 
really frustrating issue for me (or it was frustrating when I last encountered 
it about a year ago) is that it is very difficult, though possible, to use the 
app when the screen is locked.  With Voice Dream Reader, you can lock the 
screen and the book keeps being read aloud.  However, when I tried locking the 
screen while the reading of an iBook was in progress, reading stopped.  I 
couldn’t make this work with the Books app, even though I had turned „Speak 
screen“ on.

Best regards and happy reading!

Mike 


> On 10.06.2019, at 08:25, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ben,
>  
> Books on the iPhone works very very well.
>  
> I use it on my iPhone and iPods all the time.
>  
> I’ve not had any issues with it at all.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of Ben Constantini
> Sent: Monday, 10 June 2019 4:04 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: iBooks
>  
> Thanks Anne , I just  tried it on my mac with an old book I had purchased  
> awhile back and it seemed to work okay . I am anxious to see how it works on 
> my iPhone xr .
>  
> Thanks again , 
> Ben Constantini
> bennnyconstant...@gmail.com 
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On Jun 9, 2019, at 11:48 AM, Anne Robertson  > wrote:
>  
> Hello Ben,
>  
> Both on the Mac and on iOS, iBooks is now just called Books. On iOS, it’s 
> very easy to use, rather less so on the Mac.
> Cheers,
>  
> Anne
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On 9 Jun 2019, at 17:25, N2KPV  > wrote:
>  
> I was wondering if anyone uses Ibooks and how accessible it is with voiceOver 
> . I saw  a book I am interested in and was considering purchasing it .  I 
> remember a few years back having trouble navigating  it . Hopefully it has 
> gotten better .
>  
> Thanks in advance , Ben C.
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Re: Amazon or Hulu on Apple TV?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Simon.
Best,
Donna

> On Jun 10, 2019, at 1:39 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi Donna,
> 
> I have prime membership but don't use it a lot,
> The other I've never heard of.
> 
> 
> When I have used prime it's worked ok for me.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Monday, 10 June 2019 12:13 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Amazon or Hulu on Apple TV?
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> Unfortunately, it's not that simple.  We are not currently Prime members.  so 
> our decision is between signing up for Prime--and getting the free TV--or 
> signing up for Hulu.  If you get Hulu Premium, they cost about the same..
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2019, at 3:46 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> Well, since prime is free assuming you are a prime member, that would be a 
>> no brainer. I mean, it won’t cost you anything. Somewhere, I think I heard 
>> that the prime app is self voicing. That might not be true anymore, or I 
>> might simply be misremembering. I hope it isn’t self voicing, because my 
>> experience with self voicing apps on the Amazon platform, Netflix for 
>> instance, is not a happy one. Unless you know of specific things on Hulu 
>> that you want to watch, and you only want one service, I’d go with a freebie.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2019, at 12:15 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mary,
>>> 
>>> Amazon Prime is what I'm talking about.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 9, 2019, at 11:20 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Hi Donna,
 What do you mean when you say you will be adding Amazon? The only Amazon 
 thing I am aware of is Amazon prime. There’s a lot of free stuff in there 
 for prime members, and there is a good bit of audio described stuff within 
 that. Hulu has just started having audio description. I think they only 
 have a couple of things. But I’m unsure about what you can “subscribe to“ 
 with Amazon as a non-prime member. I really can’t comment on the 
 accessibility of the actual apps on the Apple TV, because I use my Fire TV 
 for Amazon prime, where it is of course, very accessible.
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jun 9, 2019, at 6:37 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> We're thinking about adding a second streaming service--we currently just 
> have Netflix.  We're debating between Amazon and Hulu.  Just wondering if 
> there are any accessibility issues I should be aware of.  We'll be 
> watching on a 4th Gen Apple TV.
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Amazon or Hulu on Apple TV?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Mary,

I've actually spent some time googling who has more of the shows we like.  It's 
pretty much a toss-up each has one or two programs that the other doesn't, but 
many of the shows we would watch are on both.  Weighing in in favor of Prime of 
course is all the other stuff you get as a Prime member.  So for now, I'm 
leaning that direction.  I just thought I would check here first to see if 
there were any known accessibility issues with either of them.  thanks for your 
input.
Cheers,
Donna



> On Jun 9, 2019, at 8:26 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi ‘Donna,
> Well, I’m pretty sure Prime and Hulu offer free trials. So perhaps the best 
> way to go is to sign up for both and see who’s programming you might like the 
> best. I would be shocked if Prime wasn’t fully accessible. I’m not entirely 
> sure about Hulu, and Prime does have more original programming also more 
> described program. They do have some older shows. Hulu probably has more 
> older shows.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2019, at 5:12 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> Unfortunately, it's not that simple.  We are not currently Prime members.  
>> so our decision is between signing up for Prime--and getting the free TV--or 
>> signing up for Hulu.  If you get Hulu Premium, they cost about the same..
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2019, at 3:46 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> Well, since prime is free assuming you are a prime member, that would be a 
>>> no brainer. I mean, it won’t cost you anything. Somewhere, I think I heard 
>>> that the prime app is self voicing. That might not be true anymore, or I 
>>> might simply be misremembering. I hope it isn’t self voicing, because my 
>>> experience with self voicing apps on the Amazon platform, Netflix for 
>>> instance, is not a happy one. Unless you know of specific things on Hulu 
>>> that you want to watch, and you only want one service, I’d go with a 
>>> freebie.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 9, 2019, at 12:15 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi Mary,
 
 Amazon Prime is what I'm talking about.
 Thanks,
 Donna
 
 
> On Jun 9, 2019, at 11:20 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> What do you mean when you say you will be adding Amazon? The only Amazon 
> thing I am aware of is Amazon prime. There’s a lot of free stuff in there 
> for prime members, and there is a good bit of audio described stuff 
> within that. Hulu has just started having audio description. I think they 
> only have a couple of things. But I’m unsure about what you can 
> “subscribe to“ with Amazon as a non-prime member. I really can’t comment 
> on the accessibility of the actual apps on the Apple TV, because I use my 
> Fire TV for Amazon prime, where it is of course, very accessible.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2019, at 6:37 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> We're thinking about adding a second streaming service--we currently 
>> just have Netflix.  We're debating between Amazon and Hulu.  Just 
>> wondering if there are any accessibility issues I should be aware of.  
>> We'll be watching on a 4th Gen Apple TV.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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RE: mac book pro 2017

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi,

I'm pretty sure we've been doing that but yeah contact them,
 Only more support in favour of it being brought back can help.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Monday, 10 June 2019 10:56 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017

Hi!
Would it hurt to contact the acessibility team regarding the chime thing?
For me its not the biggest issue but i do understand the problem.
/A

> 7 juni 2019 kl. 16:03 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi Again, Simon:
> 
> I think six years from a machine is actually pretty good.
> 
> My longest survivor ever was a 2008 Thinkpad X61s, which I just 
> retired a couple months ago as it no longer powered up in any way. Not at all.
> 
> I've had several desktop/tower machines go 8 or 9 years. And, I've had 
> laptops go almost as long.
> 
> But, here's the thing, if it's missing something you find 
> fundamentally important, like a keyboard you like and a boot chime you 
> actually depend on to function well, giving those up is unlikely to work out 
> well, imo.
> 
> I'm currently torn. If there's really a Pro from 2017 with the old 
> keyboard, USB3, and a boot chime, I would consider that even though 16 
> Gb is something I consider baseline.
> 
> I'm seeing the same problem in the Thinkpad X1 Carbon machines 
> currently available new.
> 
> I know Jason likes his Thinkpad P1 which can be had with 32 Gb ram. It 
> has a great keyboard, even compared to other Thinkpads, and it 
> includes a numeric keypad. How cool is that?
> 
> But, then one is giving up OS X.
> 
> Always some kind of trade-off! 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
>> Hi Janina,
>> 
>> Yeah I'm currently split on what to purchase as a replacement machine.
>> 
>> The fully worked 2017 air would do the job, And has the to me better 
>> keyboard but then the 2018 pro 13" has more ram, faster processor and 
>> USB-C,
>> 
>> However everything has down sides, the newer pro has the butterfly keyboard 
>> which I'm not personally a fan of and will cost more for new adaptors but it 
>> should survive 2 years longer in the life of simons products.
>> 
>> My 2013 air has now lasted 6 years,
>> Can I get that from a pro.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>> 
>> Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2019 11:39 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017
>> 
>> Hey, Simon. My wish for you is that someone returned these machines 
>> because they'd heard there shouldn't be a boot chime any longer! 
>> 
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> PS: I looked at the 2017 Air machines still available today. I'm 
>> disappointed. It looks to me like the only advantage of leaving my 2014 Air 
>> for a 2017 model is a measly 4Gb more RAM. That's ain't enough today, imo.
>> 
>> I'm back to looking at the small Thinkpad X1 Carbon machines for laptops. I 
>> realize that would leave me out of the Apple eco system. I am finding the 
>> new minis very attractive, so perhaps I'm thinking transitionally.
>> 
>> You all have gotten under my skin enough so that I don't really want to 
>> leave Apple out of my life. Heck, Safari has become my favorite gui browser 
>> in recent months. Go figure.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> Simon Fogarty writes:
>>>  Hi List,
>>> 
>>> Just wondering if anyone on the list has a 2017 13.3" Mac book pro with 
>>> 2.3GHz I5 prodessor?
>>> 
>>> I'm just looking at one of these model machines from the apple refurbished 
>>> devices and wondered why such a nice sounding machine would have been 
>>> returned to apple?
>>> I just wondered if this might be a problematic model as there are 3 of them 
>>> showing in the NZ apple website refurbished list.
>>> 
>>> Cheers for any information.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Simon f
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Re: Using selective sync in dropbox?

[Michael Busboom]

Hello.

I have been wanting to selectively synch specific folders, but not others, for 
a long time, too.  Is there a specific person at Dropbox to whom we can address 
this question, or should we just use supp...@dropbox.com 
, provided that email address exists?

Thanks,

Mike



> On 08.06.2019, at 20:49, Herman Fermin  wrote:
> 
> At the moment, you can’t. Or at least, VoiceOver does not tell you the state 
> whether the folder is checked or unchecked. Please report it to the dropbox 
> support so perhaps they will actually do something about it. They definitely 
> are aware. That has been broken for quite awhile.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2019, at 6:41 AM, Matt  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks.
>> 
>> I've been trying to figure this out.
>> 
>> On the windows side of dropbox, you can check, and uncheck, the folders you 
>> don't want synced to your computer.
>> 
>> I can't seem to figure out how to do this on the mac side.
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Virtual Uber trips on the iPhone?

[Michael Busboom]

Hello everyone,

In the next few months, I will be traveling outside of Vienna, Austria, where I 
live.  In order to plan just a bit, I am wondering if it is possible to 
simulate a location and then from that virtual location, determine 
approximately how much a trip to a nearby destination would cost, were I to use 
Uber.  I am only looking for ballpark cost estimates.

I have the Uber app, as well as BlindSquare installed on my iPhone XR.  Do I 
need to temporarily disable Location Services, and what other steps do I need 
to take to accomplish this task?

Thanks in advance,

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Re: mac book pro 2017

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Would it hurt to contact the acessibility team regarding the chime thing?
For me its not the biggest issue but i do understand the problem.
/A

> 7 juni 2019 kl. 16:03 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi Again, Simon:
> 
> I think six years from a machine is actually pretty good.
> 
> My longest survivor ever was a 2008 Thinkpad X61s, which I just retired
> a couple months ago as it no longer powered up in any way. Not at all.
> 
> I've had several desktop/tower machines go 8 or 9 years. And, I've had
> laptops go almost as long.
> 
> But, here's the thing, if it's missing something you find fundamentally
> important, like a keyboard you like and a boot chime you actually depend
> on to function well, giving those up is unlikely to work out well, imo.
> 
> I'm currently torn. If there's really a Pro from 2017 with the old
> keyboard, USB3, and a boot chime, I would consider that even though 16
> Gb is something I consider baseline.
> 
> I'm seeing the same problem in the Thinkpad X1 Carbon machines currently
> available new.
> 
> I know Jason likes his Thinkpad P1 which can be had with 32 Gb ram. It
> has a great keyboard, even compared to other Thinkpads, and it includes
> a numeric keypad. How cool is that?
> 
> But, then one is giving up OS X.
> 
> Always some kind of trade-off! 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
>> Hi Janina,
>> 
>> Yeah I'm currently split on what to purchase as a replacement machine.
>> 
>> The fully worked 2017 air would do the job,
>> And has the to me better keyboard but then the 2018 pro 13" has more ram, 
>> faster processor and USB-C,
>> 
>> However everything has down sides, the newer pro has the butterfly keyboard 
>> which I'm not personally a fan of and will cost more for new adaptors but it 
>> should survive 2 years longer in the life of simons products.
>> 
>> My 2013 air has now lasted 6 years,
>> Can I get that from a pro.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
>> Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2019 11:39 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017
>> 
>> Hey, Simon. My wish for you is that someone returned these machines because 
>> they'd heard there shouldn't be a boot chime any longer! 
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> PS: I looked at the 2017 Air machines still available today. I'm 
>> disappointed. It looks to me like the only advantage of leaving my 2014 Air 
>> for a 2017 model is a measly 4Gb more RAM. That's ain't enough today, imo.
>> 
>> I'm back to looking at the small Thinkpad X1 Carbon machines for laptops. I 
>> realize that would leave me out of the Apple eco system. I am finding the 
>> new minis very attractive, so perhaps I'm thinking transitionally.
>> 
>> You all have gotten under my skin enough so that I don't really want to 
>> leave Apple out of my life. Heck, Safari has become my favorite gui browser 
>> in recent months. Go figure.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> Simon Fogarty writes:
>>>  Hi List,
>>> 
>>> Just wondering if anyone on the list has a 2017 13.3" Mac book pro with 
>>> 2.3GHz I5 prodessor?
>>> 
>>> I'm just looking at one of these model machines from the apple refurbished 
>>> devices and wondered why such a nice sounding machine would have been 
>>> returned to apple?
>>> I just wondered if this might be a problematic model as there are 3 of them 
>>> showing in the NZ apple website refurbished list.
>>> 
>>> Cheers for any information.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Simon f
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RE: new mac books

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Janina,

 To late,

I've grabbed the 16GB I7 pro and as for the keyboard well that's something I 
can't get around as apple don't make a better option.
If I get stuck I'll just make changes with a hot stick or something.

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, 10 June 2019 1:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new mac books

Hi, Simon:

Being limited to 8Gb RAM might be a problem if you're running Win10, and 
especially if running in a vm.

But, I should think a keyboard you don't like would be even worse.

Can you hold out to see what comes from Apple later in the year? A lot of 
people are having issues with the newer keyboards. Seems reasonable Apple will 
do something about those complaints.

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
>  That' my thoughts also,
> 
>  I can get a 2017 13" air for 2504 NZ dollars,  But it's got the 
> custom build with 8gb ram, 2.2GHz I7 processor and 512GB ram, Oh and 
> it's got the older keyboard style, But now I'm thinking I should just 
> go for a newer pro and get use to the new butterfly keyboard as I'm guessing 
> it's not going anywhere quickly.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2019 12:20 AM
> To: 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Subject: Re: new mac books
> 
> Thanks very much for this info, Shawn.
> 
> 
> These days I'm preferring the smallest and lightest physical unit I can get 
> packed to the teeth with RAM, CPU, and SSD. So, a 2017 Air might just be the 
> ticket.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries writes:
> > I should've said the 2017 MacBook Air did the startup chime in Mojave which 
> > is what I have.
> > 
> > 
> > > On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:03 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
> > >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi Janina. In Mojave, the 2017 models did make the startup chime. I'm 
> > > currently beta testing Catalina which is 10.15 so I can't say if it's 
> > > still there or not.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >> On Jun 3, 2019, at 12:45 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > >>  wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 
> > >> 2017 models still have the boot chime?
> > >> 
> > >> Janina
> > >> 
> > >> Simon Fogarty writes:
> > >>> Hi Listers,
> > >>> 
> > >>> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" 
> > >>> MacBookAir,
> > >>> 
> > >>> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently 
> > >>> available 2017 version of the mac book air, Apart from only 
> > >>> being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
> > >>> spec'ed out completely,
> > >>> 
> > >>> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple 
> > >>> to put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book 
> > >>> pro range?
> > >>> 
> > >>> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't 
> > >>> get use to the keys on the keyboard.
> > >>> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
> > >>> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book 
> > >>> line?
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RE: Amazon or Hulu on Apple TV?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

I have prime membership but don't use it a lot,
 The other I've never heard of.

 
When I have used prime it's worked ok for me.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Monday, 10 June 2019 12:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Amazon or Hulu on Apple TV?

Hi Mary,

Unfortunately, it's not that simple.  We are not currently Prime members.  so 
our decision is between signing up for Prime--and getting the free TV--or 
signing up for Hulu.  If you get Hulu Premium, they cost about the same..
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jun 9, 2019, at 3:46 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> Well, since prime is free assuming you are a prime member, that would be a no 
> brainer. I mean, it won’t cost you anything. Somewhere, I think I heard that 
> the prime app is self voicing. That might not be true anymore, or I might 
> simply be misremembering. I hope it isn’t self voicing, because my experience 
> with self voicing apps on the Amazon platform, Netflix for instance, is not a 
> happy one. Unless you know of specific things on Hulu that you want to watch, 
> and you only want one service, I’d go with a freebie.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2019, at 12:15 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> Amazon Prime is what I'm talking about.
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2019, at 11:20 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> What do you mean when you say you will be adding Amazon? The only Amazon 
>>> thing I am aware of is Amazon prime. There’s a lot of free stuff in there 
>>> for prime members, and there is a good bit of audio described stuff within 
>>> that. Hulu has just started having audio description. I think they only 
>>> have a couple of things. But I’m unsure about what you can “subscribe to“ 
>>> with Amazon as a non-prime member. I really can’t comment on the 
>>> accessibility of the actual apps on the Apple TV, because I use my Fire TV 
>>> for Amazon prime, where it is of course, very accessible.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 9, 2019, at 6:37 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 We're thinking about adding a second streaming service--we currently just 
 have Netflix.  We're debating between Amazon and Hulu.  Just wondering if 
 there are any accessibility issues I should be aware of.  We'll be 
 watching on a 4th Gen Apple TV.
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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RE: iPadOS

[Simon Fogarty]

Hey ET, I thought developers lived under rocks, not in woodwork.

SF.

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Subject: Re: iPadOS

Maybe. Let's see what happens in September when iPadOS is officially 
released and the developers come out of the woodwork.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/9/2019 7:20 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:
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> formatting of documents to prepare them for embossing.
> 
> On 6/4/19, 17:08, "'E.T.' via MacVisionaries" 
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>  Considering what is to come this fall for iPads (sadly my model is
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>  have is...is it possible to create and emboss braille documents?
>  
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RE: Map bug on iPhone

[Simon Fogarty]

I see 

That would explain that one.

Cheers.

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Sent: Monday, 10 June 2019 11:18 AM
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Subject: RE: Map bug on iPhone

Hello Simon,

I know.  I have access to the developer betas.

Mark

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On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 1:21 AM
To: 'macvisionaries@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: Map bug on iPhone

Hi Mark,

Just to let you know, only the dev betas are currently out for the new OS 
platforms,

Public betas will be out in July.

Simon F


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Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2019 6:31 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Map bug on iPhone

Hello Robert,

I assure you that I, too, experience this same issue.  It has been around for 
the longest time.

However, a little bird, from the Apple orchard, sent me an email, a couple of 
days ago, stating that this glitch should be resolved in iOS13 and that I 
should update my bug report on it, once confirmed.

As yet, I have not downloaded a beta of iOS13 to confirm the claim, but we can 
certainly keep our proverbial fingers crossed, eh?

Happy Travels,

Mark


From: 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2019 6:14 AM
To: Email Groups
Subject: Map bug on iPhone

Dear List,
This bug from 2017  still exists.
Am I the only one who is having this problem?
Using a iPhone 7 with the latest IOS. 

Begin forwarded message:

From: Apple Accessibility 
Date: October 3, 2017 at 7:01:02 PM EDT
To: mr.robertc...@icloud.com
Subject: Re: iOS 11 Maps App Card Grabber TimeOut VoiceOver Bug; Follow-up: 
674583055

Hello Robert,

Thank you for writing to Apple Accessibility. We appreciate your feedback. 
In our testing, we found that the Details overlay is dismissed regardless of 
whether you are using VoiceOver. We will pass this report along to the 
appropriate team.

Sincerely,

Apple Accessibility

On September 29, 2017 at 20:40:37 PM GMT, mr.robertc...@icloud.com wrote:

IOS 10 and
iOS 11 Maps App Card Grabber TimeOut VoiceOver Bug

DESCRIPTION:
In iOS 11, only when VoiceOver is enabled, the full-screen Card Grabber 
display, times-out after 10 seconds, when reviewing the live route details list.

Steps to Reproduce:

1.
Make certain that VoiceOver is enabled.

2.
Open Map and activate a route by selecting a destination and tapping the GO 
button.  Siri will announce a direction instruction; for example, "In one mile, 
turn left onto Main Street."  

3.
Single-finger, double-tap the "Arrival" label, located near the lower left of 
the display in order to activate the Card Grabber which will bring up various 
route options.

4.
Select Details.  A directions list will be displayed.  Unlike for a 
non-VoiceOver user, for whom this list will remain on the screen until the DONE 
button is activated, after approximately ten seconds with or without screen 
activity, the list will disappear as if the VoiceOver user activated the DONE 
button.


Please check this out.

Thank You,
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RE: mac book pro 2017

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah Just checked this out.

So apple have made changes this year to the touch bar  models of the mac book 
pros,
 But not to the non touch bar models.

The device I was looking at is the non touch bar and therefore the 2.5GHz I7 
model of the mac book pro and as there is only $50 between the model from 
refurbished and a brand new model I got the refurbished.

 It should hopefully arrive  Thursday.

The only thing I don't get is the new butterfly keyboard with the silicon 
membrain beneath  the keys to catch food and dust etc under the keys.


We'll see what it does when it arrives.

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Sent: Monday, 10 June 2019 10:26 AM
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017

I agree that the better processor is probably worth it in the long run.

On 6/9/19, 04:31, "Simon Fogarty"  wrote:

Hi Janina,

That was my choice also.

 Even the current models are 7th gen processors so I'm not losing anything 
currently.

I actually just went to make th purchase using the IOS app for apple store 
and can't see an option for educational pricing.

So guess I'll use the computer in stead

Thanks Janina,

 Great minds think alike
As for the start up sound, I'll just pretend it is there when the machine 
starts up.




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From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2019 3:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017

So, I've been playing pretending I didn't have the boot chime and simply 
holding in option for a longish time while pressing the power button second.

I still want the chime, but I can see making it without it. I can reliably 
get to all three of my available environments.

I'd go for the greater processing power of the I7. In the grand scheme of 
things, that's a steal for only $50, because you get to live with the benefits 
for a long time.

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Na,
> 
>  I've made up my mind as to which one to get.
> 
>  And then cancelled at the last moment the choice I made.
> I've got a choice of 2 machines,
> The only difference is one has the I7 2.5GHz processor an the other 
> has the I5 2.3GHz processor,  other than that, they are the pro 13.3"  
> with 16GB ram, 512GB ssd,  Although one is release date 2017, The 
> other is new as of purchase time.
>  There is only $50 for the upgrade to the I7.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2019 2:37 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017
> 
> Simon, it sounds to me like you're weighing the trade-offs with a clear 
head. Good luck! I expect a few of us will be interested to hear what you 
decide and how it works out.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
> > Hi Janina,
> > 
> >  The 2017 I7 2.5GHz 16GB ram & 512GB ssd pro has 2 USB-C ports for 
> > charging and connectivity  to go with a crazy new Zealand price of
> > $3179.00 That's a refurbished price, Brand new RRP is approx. 600 more.
> > 
> > But it would be my first choice
> > 
> > I'm thinking over the weekend on what device to purchase.
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > 
> > Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2019 1:54 AM
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017
> > 
> > Simon:
> > 
> > That 2017 Pro with an I7 and 16 Gb RAM sounds a lot better. It should 
have a pretty compelling price, because I should think that's pretty baseline 
specs for 64bit Windows 10 under Bootcamp--especially if you also want to run 
the Windows in some kind of vm.
> > 
> > For me it would also need USB 3 ports, at least one, as I've got Linux 
booting off a tiny 256 Gb USB 3 stick that sticks out less far than the 
charging connector on my Air.
> > 
> > Depending on the price and the weight, I will consider that one myself, 
because I'm looking to upgrade and get a few more years out of chiming boots.
> > 
> > I do think asking for "a long time" may be asking a bit much from this 
specification, though.It really does strike me as baseline today.
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Simon Fogarty writes:
> > > Hi Tim,
> > > 
> > > I’ve gotta couple of options,
> > > 
> > > The air would be a custom build to fully spec’ed out and yes still 
has USB-A and thunderbolt 2.
> > > 
> > > But only 8GB ram,
> > > 
> > > I’m also looking at a 2017 I7 2.5GHz pro with 16gb ram and 512 GB 
> > > ssd, I’m not going to touch bar as that causes trouble with windows 
in bootcamp.
> > > 
> > 

RE: mac book pro 2017

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Anders,

Apple created a new keyboard called the butterfly keyboard,

It’s a lot flatter and to me less definition between keys

But it’s what apple are putting gin all their mac book types now days.



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Monday, 10 June 2019 8:46 AM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: mac book pro 2017

Hi!
What’s the difference?
I have an old mac ke yboard connected to my Macbook air.
THe old usb one.
Its till my preference.
/A


6 juni 2019 kl. 23:04 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:

I agree with the opposing viewpoint.  I've had my Mac for almost two years now, 
and I've never made so many typos as I do with the butterfly keyboard.  I kept 
thinking I would get used to it, but I haven't.  I still hate this stupid 
keyboard.
Cheers,
Donna



On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:51 PM, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Okay, I mast be the odd one out, maybe Simon has something when he keeps 
referring to me living in Auckland. But I think the butterfly keyboard is the 
best I’ve ever had. I can’t comment on the start up chime as I’ve only had a 
Mac for about 6 months or so. But it would still be nice to have one.


On 7/06/2019, at 8:29 AM, lenron brown 
mailto:lenro...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Those butterfly keys drive me nuts, and no chime that just breaks my heart.

On 6/6/19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi Simon,

Janina may be right :).  No, it doesn't have a boot chime.  I have a similar
model, but the 3.1 I5 processor and 16 GB of RAM.  It's the one with the
Touch Bar and 4 USB C ports.  I haven't had any problems with my model
although, like you, many don't like the feel of the butterfly keys, and some
are stuck on USB A ports, of which the MBP's have none.  Battery life is
good, but not excellent.  It's nice and light and handles processing big
jobs well.  If the price is right, I'd go for it.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)



Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 6, 2019, at 05:38, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hey, Simon. My wish for you is that someone returned these machines
because they'd heard there shouldn't be a boot chime any longer! 

Janina

PS: I looked at the 2017 Air machines still available today. I'm
disappointed. It looks to me like the only advantage of leaving my 2014
Air for a 2017 model is a measly 4Gb more RAM. That's ain't enough
today, imo.

I'm back to looking at the small Thinkpad X1 Carbon machines for
laptops. I realize that would leave me out of the Apple eco system. I am
finding the new minis very attractive, so perhaps I'm thinking
transitionally.

You all have gotten under my skin enough so that I don't really want to
leave Apple out of my life. Heck, Safari has become my favorite gui
browser in recent months. Go figure.

Best,

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:

Hi List,

Just wondering if anyone on the list has a 2017 13.3" Mac book pro with
2.3GHz I5 prodessor?

I'm just looking at one of these model machines from the apple refurbished
devices and wondered why such a nice sounding machine would have been
returned to apple?
I just wondered if this might be a problematic model as there are 3 of
them showing in the NZ apple website refurbished list.

Cheers for any information.


Simon f

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RE: iBooks

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Ben,

Books on the iPhone works very very well.

I use it on my iPhone and iPods all the time.

I’ve not had any issues with it at all.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Monday, 10 June 2019 4:04 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iBooks

Thanks Anne , I just  tried it on my mac with an old book I had purchased  
awhile back and it seemed to work okay . I am anxious to see how it works on my 
iPhone xr .

Thanks again ,
Ben Constantini
bennnyconstant...@gmail.com




On Jun 9, 2019, at 11:48 AM, Anne Robertson 
mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:

Hello Ben,

Both on the Mac and on iOS, iBooks is now just called Books. On iOS, it’s very 
easy to use, rather less so on the Mac.
Cheers,

Anne





On 9 Jun 2019, at 17:25, N2KPV 
mailto:bennnyconstant...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I was wondering if anyone uses Ibooks and how accessible it is with voiceOver . 
I saw  a book I am interested in and was considering purchasing it .  I 
remember a few years back having trouble navigating  it . Hopefully it has 
gotten better .

Thanks in advance , Ben C.

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RE: iBooks

[Simon Fogarty]

Do you mean on the computer or books on the IOS platform?

If on an iPad or iPhone then fantastically accessible
I use it all the time.

If on the mac OS platform then I can’t really say as I don’t use it but I’d bee 
surprised if it wasn’t accessible


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of N2KPV
Sent: Monday, 10 June 2019 3:25 AM
To: MacVisionaries 
Subject: iBooks

I was wondering if anyone uses Ibooks and how accessible it is with voiceOver . 
I saw  a book I am interested in and was considering purchasing it .  I 
remember a few years back having trouble navigating  it . Hopefully it has 
gotten better .

Thanks in advance , Ben C.
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