RE: EarPods

2019-09-22 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Yeah the two versions currently on the apple website are the same series 2 
earpods but the cases are different the cheaper have the standard case and the 
more costly is the wireless charging case,

 Between the series 1 and series 2 earpods there is a major difference infact 
differences

S1 have the W1 chip, s2 have the H1 chip,
The s1 you have to tap the pod to enable siri,

The s2 you just say hey siri and siri should work,
So the two on sale aren't different,
The series 1 and series 2 have big differences.

 

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Sent: Monday, 23 September 2019 7:05 AM
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Subject: Re: EarPods

That’s interesting, I just read the text specs on the Apple Store app for both 
the $200 and the $159 versions of EarPods, and they both talked about the H1 
chip, no mention of the old W one chip.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Sep 22, 2019, at 2:36 PM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> No, it's NOT  just the Ability of the  AirPods & Their  Case,which they are 
> Housed IN, havin the Ability to be Charged Wirelessly , they are Rumored to 
> be Connected  with a  H1 Chip, which is  Said to be, Better than the Previous 
> W1 Chip
> Note:
> this News is Comin From Apple itself
> At 11:09 AM 9/22/2019, you wrote:
> 
> 
>> Is there any substantial  difference in the two models of earpods? Is it 
>> just the wireless charging case that accounts for the added cost in the 
>> later generation? Sent from my IPhone
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RE: EarPods

2019-09-22 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Do you mean the apple earpods?

If so then the only difference between he pods with wireless charging case and 
non charging case is simply the case,

The pods are the same 

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Is there any substantial  difference in the two models of earpods? Is it just 
the wireless charging case that accounts for the added cost in the later 
generation? Sent from my IPhone

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Re:

2019-09-22 Thread maurice.mines
Hello, Becky are you wanting to upgrade the operating system? Or are you 
wanting to just hop read the main completely. If it’s the software I 
would attempt to upgrade it to macOS Mojave and see how things go.


If you’re looking to upgrade the machine physically meaning yet a 
Mormon machine, then I might try telling it through a reputable 
third-party Energy something like the Zell or something like Gazell they 
sell used equipment and I think they give the seller some percentage of 
what the other party paid for yet. But I don’t know what their 
processes, and how old of a Quitman they will sell, or anything like 
this. Check with that company to see what their terms are.


Finally like the other gentleman advised, figure out what you’re using 
the machine for. And then figure out if it still meeting your needs. And 
then you can go from there.


Sincerely Maurice Mines.
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Bakersfield chapter.

Bored member National Federation of the blind deaf blind division.
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You can attempt to contact me via the following be late for the deaf, 
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On 22 Sep 2019, at 13:58, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:


Becky,
Now I’m no expert by any means, but that depends on what you use 
your MacBook for? Yes, 2013 is getting on a bit and I don’t even 
know what updates are available for it. If it is frustrating you and 
it is going too slow for you and you can’t update it any more then 
maybe it’s time to upgrade. But if it is still doing everything you 
want then maybe you can hold on to it for a bit longer.
Are you talking about iMessages? And have you got an iPhone as well? 
Then sending messages with the MacBook is easy. But like I said, I 
don’t no anything about the 2013 models. Some more info on the 
messaging question might help someone more knowledgeable then I  to 
answer your question.



On 23/09/2019, at 07:09, Rebecca Sabo  wrote:

Hi all,
I have a couple of questions .  I have a mack air computer it is a 
2013 model when should  I upgrade and also how do you send messages.

Becky

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Re: Inserting rows into numbers

2019-09-22 Thread Dave Carlson
I seem to accidentally insert rows with Control+downarrow and columns with 
control+rightarrow.

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Re: updates to Safari on Mac

2019-09-22 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
   I don't have auto updates on so was not caught. My guess is improved 
security so check that out in System preferences.


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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 9/22/2019 3:23 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:

I think my Mac must've updated Safari. now whenever I go to download anything 
I'm asked if I want to allow or cancel. is there a way to turn this off?

thanks.
Lorie



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Re: Time for a new phone.

2019-09-22 Thread lenron brown
8plus is my next unless 2020 empress me.

On 9/22/19, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  wrote:
> We may all be gasping for air like fish out of water long before
> then. In other words, I am not looking that far ahead and, yuh know,
> rumors are just that, rumors.
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> On 9/22/2019 11:30 AM, Robin wrote:
>> Not Necessarily
>> as Apple is  Rumored to be Releasing an UpComin iPhone in either 2020 or
>> 2021 with  an IN-Display TouchID i.e., FingerPrint Reader, it is NOT
>> known if Apple's FaceID will also  be Present in these UpComin iPhones
>> At 09:28 AM 9/22/2019, you wrote:
>>>    Nah.  I am not going to worry about it for abother3-4 years. I
>>> don't have an overwhelming need to get new products every year.
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>>> Many believe that we have been visited
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>>>
>>> On 9/21/2019 10:10 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
 People are going to have to get use to it,

 -Original Message-
 From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 Sent: Sunday, 22 September 2019 6:37 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Time for a new phone.
  Yes and that is a strike against the models without Touch ID for
 me.
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 Many believe that we have been visited
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 On 9/21/2019 9:45 AM, Robin wrote:
> I don't Think  the iPhoneXR has Apple's TouchID, as  it comes
> Equipped
> with Apple's FaceID At 09:21 AM 9/21/2019, you wrote:
>>  Â   I like my 8 plus and will keep it as long as it works which
>> could
>> be 3-4 years.
>>
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>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were
>> true?
>>
>> On 9/21/2019 8:21 AM, Matt T wrote:
>>> Hi folks, subject says it all.
>>> I'm looking at either the 8, or the XR.
>>> What do people think?
>>> I like my touch ID.
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updates to Safari on Mac

2019-09-22 Thread Lorie McCloud
I think my Mac must've updated Safari. now whenever I go to download anything 
I'm asked if I want to allow or cancel. is there a way to turn this off?

thanks.
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Re:

2019-09-22 Thread Petrus Tuerlings
 Becky,
Now I’m no expert by any means, but that depends on what you use your MacBook 
for? Yes, 2013 is getting on a bit and I don’t even know what updates are 
available for it. If it is frustrating you and it is going too slow for you and 
you can’t update it any more then maybe it’s time to upgrade. But if it is 
still doing everything you want then maybe you can hold on to it for a bit 
longer. 
Are you talking about iMessages? And have you got an iPhone as well? Then 
sending messages with the MacBook is easy. But like I said, I don’t no anything 
about the 2013 models. Some more info on the messaging question might help 
someone more knowledgeable then I  to answer your question.

> On 23/09/2019, at 07:09, Rebecca Sabo  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 
> I have a couple of questions .  I have a mack air computer it is a 2013 model 
> when should  I upgrade and also how do you send messages.
> Becky 
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Re: EarPods

2019-09-22 Thread Robin
that's because Apple Retired the OLD & Previous 
AirPods, & the Increase in Price & Cost is due to the WirelessChargin case

At 12:05 PM 9/22/2019, you wrote:
That’s interesting, I just read the text specs 
on the Apple Store app for both the $200 and the 
$159 versions of EarPods, and they both talked 
about the H1 chip, no mention of the old W one chip.


Sent from my IPhone


> On Sep 22, 2019, at 2:36 PM, Robin  wrote:
>
> No, it's NOT  just the Ability of 
the  AirPods & Their  Case,which they are 
Housed IN, havin the Ability to be Charged 
Wirelessly , they are Rumored to be 
Connected  with a  H1 Chip, which is  Said to 
be, Better than the Previous W1 Chip

> Note:
> this News is Comin From Apple itself
> At 11:09 AM 9/22/2019, you wrote:
>
>
>> Is there any substantial  difference in the 
two models of earpods? Is it just the wireless 
charging case that accounts for the added cost 
in the later generation? Sent from my IPhone

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2019-09-22 Thread Rebecca Sabo
Hi all, 
I have a couple of questions .  I have a mack air computer it is a 2013 model 
when should  I upgrade and also how do you send messages.
Becky 

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Re: EarPods

2019-09-22 Thread Phil Halton
That’s interesting, I just read the text specs on the Apple Store app for both 
the $200 and the $159 versions of EarPods, and they both talked about the H1 
chip, no mention of the old W one chip.

Sent from my IPhone


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> No, it's NOT  just the Ability of the  AirPods & Their  Case,which they are 
> Housed IN, havin the Ability to be Charged Wirelessly , they are Rumored to 
> be Connected  with a  H1 Chip, which is  Said to be, Better than the Previous 
> W1 Chip
> Note:
> this News is Comin From Apple itself
> At 11:09 AM 9/22/2019, you wrote:
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>> Is there any substantial  difference in the two models of earpods? Is it 
>> just the wireless charging case that accounts for the added cost in the 
>> later generation? Sent from my IPhone
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Re: activating Apple TV Plus?

2019-09-22 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
Apple is the first.  thanks for the info.
Donna

> On Sep 22, 2019, at 1:47 PM, John JD Denning  wrote:
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> You will have to wait till November 12 when the service goes live to activate 
> it. I’m told you will get a reminder that you have a new service and then you 
> select that to activate it. I’m sure will hear more as we get closer.
> 
> Come to think of it I might be wrong on November 12 I know Disney and Apple 
> are both coming out in November one of them is the 12th and one of them is 
> the first I’m waiting for both of them.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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>> 
>> Isn't Apple's NEW & UpComin  TV+ service rumored to be Released in 
>> November2019 i.e., November1st 2019? (please) Confirm or Deny?
>> I'm UnSure about this
>> Thanx
>> At 11:24 AM 9/22/2019, you wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have pre-ordered my iPhone 11, but am still waiting for it to 
>>> arrive--hoping it'll be here tomorrow.  Just wondered if any of you who 
>>> have gotten your phones have activated your Apple TV subscription?  If so, 
>>> what is the process for doing it?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: activating Apple TV Plus?

2019-09-22 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
It is.  But they announced that if you bought a new Apple Product, you got a 
free one-year subscription.  Obviously you can't watch it yet, I just wondered 
how the subscription process worked.
Donna

> On Sep 22, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> Isn't Apple's NEW & UpComin  TV+ service rumored to be Released in 
> November2019 i.e., November1st 2019? (please) Confirm or Deny?
> I'm UnSure about this
> Thanx
> At 11:24 AM 9/22/2019, you wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have pre-ordered my iPhone 11, but am still waiting for it to 
>> arrive--hoping it'll be here tomorrow.  Just wondered if any of you who have 
>> gotten your phones have activated your Apple TV subscription?  If so, what 
>> is the process for doing it?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Inserting rows into numbers

2019-09-22 Thread John JD Denning
greetings, I just got a new iPad Air. I’m trying to work with numbers. I’m 
doing pretty good, but I can’t figure out how to insert rows into a 
spreadsheet. The only instructions I can find say to click on a button. But I 
can’t find any button that will do that. Can anybody give me a clue?

Thanks

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Re: Time for a new phone.

2019-09-22 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
   We may all be gasping for air like fish out of water long before 
then. In other words, I am not looking that far ahead and, yuh know, 
rumors are just that, rumors.


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On 9/22/2019 11:30 AM, Robin wrote:

Not Necessarily
as Apple is  Rumored to be Releasing an UpComin iPhone in either 2020 or 
2021 with  an IN-Display TouchID i.e., FingerPrint Reader, it is NOT 
known if Apple's FaceID will also  be Present in these UpComin iPhones

At 09:28 AM 9/22/2019, you wrote:
   Nah.  I am not going to worry about it for abother3-4 years. I 
don't have an overwhelming need to get new products every year.


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On 9/21/2019 10:10 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:

People are going to have to get use to it,

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Subject: Re: Time for a new phone.
 Yes and that is a strike against the models without Touch ID for 
me.

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On 9/21/2019 9:45 AM, Robin wrote:
I don't Think  the iPhoneXR has Apple's TouchID, as  it comes 
Equipped

with Apple's FaceID At 09:21 AM 9/21/2019, you wrote:
 Â   I like my 8 plus and will keep it as long as it works which 
could

be 3-4 years.

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On 9/21/2019 8:21 AM, Matt T wrote:

Hi folks, subject says it all.
I'm looking at either the 8, or the XR.
What do people think?
I like my touch ID.


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Re: activating Apple TV Plus?

2019-09-22 Thread John JD Denning
You will have to wait till November 12 when the service goes live to activate 
it. I’m told you will get a reminder that you have a new service and then you 
select that to activate it. I’m sure will hear more as we get closer.

Come to think of it I might be wrong on November 12 I know Disney and Apple are 
both coming out in November one of them is the 12th and one of them is the 
first I’m waiting for both of them.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2019, at 14:40, Robin  wrote:
> 
> Isn't Apple's NEW & UpComin  TV+ service rumored to be Released in 
> November2019 i.e., November1st 2019? (please) Confirm or Deny?
> I'm UnSure about this
> Thanx
> At 11:24 AM 9/22/2019, you wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
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>> arrive--hoping it'll be here tomorrow.  Just wondered if any of you who have 
>> gotten your phones have activated your Apple TV subscription?  If so, what 
>> is the process for doing it?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: activating Apple TV Plus?

2019-09-22 Thread Robin
Isn't Apple's NEW & UpComin  TV+ service rumored to be Released in 
November2019 i.e., November1st 2019? (please) Confirm or Deny?

I'm UnSure about this
Thanx
At 11:24 AM 9/22/2019, you wrote:

Hi all,

I have pre-ordered my iPhone 11, but am still waiting for it to 
arrive--hoping it'll be here tomorrow.  Just wondered if any of you 
who have gotten your phones have activated your Apple TV 
subscription?  If so, what is the process for doing it?

TIA,
Donna


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Re: EarPods

2019-09-22 Thread Robin
No, it's NOT  just the Ability of the  AirPods & Their  Case,which 
they are Housed IN, havin the Ability to be Charged Wirelessly , they 
are Rumored to be Connected  with a  H1 Chip, which is  Said to be, 
Better than the Previous W1 Chip

Note:
this News is Comin From Apple itself
At 11:09 AM 9/22/2019, you wrote:


Is there any substantial  difference in the two models of earpods? 
Is it just the wireless charging case that accounts for the added 
cost in the later generation? Sent from my IPhone


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Re: Time for a new phone.

2019-09-22 Thread Robin

Not Necessarily
as Apple is  Rumored to be Releasing an UpComin 
iPhone in either 2020 or 2021 with  an IN-Display 
TouchID i.e., FingerPrint Reader, it is NOT known 
if Apple's FaceID will also  be Present in these UpComin iPhones

At 09:28 AM 9/22/2019, you wrote:
   Nah.  I am not going to worry about it for 
abother3-4 years. I don't have an overwhelming 
need to get new products every year.


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People are going to have to get use to it,

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I don't Think  the iPhoneXR has Apple's TouchID, as  it comes Equipped
with Apple's FaceID At 09:21 AM 9/21/2019, you wrote:

 Â Â  I like my 8 plus and will keep it as long as it works which could
be 3-4 years.

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Hi folks, subject says it all.
I'm looking at either the 8, or the XR.
What do people think?
I like my touch ID.


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activating Apple TV Plus?

2019-09-22 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
Hi all,

I have pre-ordered my iPhone 11, but am still waiting for it to arrive--hoping 
it'll be here tomorrow.  Just wondered if any of you who have gotten your 
phones have activated your Apple TV subscription?  If so, what is the process 
for doing it?
TIA,
Donna


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EarPods

2019-09-22 Thread Phil Halton



Is there any substantial  difference in the two models of earpods? Is it just 
the wireless charging case that accounts for the added cost in the later 
generation? Sent from my IPhone

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Re: Where Did the Recovered Files Folder Come From?

2019-09-22 Thread Dave Carlson
Tim,
And actually I was able to disappear it while I was reconstructing all my 
folders last night.

Dave Carlson
Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer





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Re: Where Did the Recovered Files Folder Come From?

2019-09-22 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
Hi,

Actually, this has to do with Mail when things update.  Overall, it has to do 
with off-line caching, and can be supposedly fixed with some Terminal commands, 
but I'd just not worry about it if I were you.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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In all the disabling and enabling of my mail account (called Dave’s Mail) A new 
folder popped up. Just below my unread messages Smartfolder is a folder 
labeled: Recovered Messages (Dave’s Mail). I have no idea where it came from, 
and it’s empty. If I delete it, it just comes back on its own, again empty. 
Irritating, and I want to make it go away. Any idea how I managed to turn on 
this beast?

Dave Carlson
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Re: Time for a new phone.

2019-09-22 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
   Nah.  I am not going to worry about it for abother3-4 years. I don't 
have an overwhelming need to get new products every year.


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On 9/21/2019 10:10 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:

People are going to have to get use to it,



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 Yes and that is a strike against the models without Touch ID for me.

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I don't Think  the iPhoneXR has Apple's TouchID, as  it comes Equipped
with Apple's FaceID At 09:21 AM 9/21/2019, you wrote:

    I like my 8 plus and will keep it as long as it works which could
be 3-4 years.

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Hi folks, subject says it all.
I'm looking at either the 8, or the XR.
What do people think?
I like my touch ID.


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Re: Time for a new phone.

2019-09-22 Thread 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries
I’m going to stick to iPhone 8 as I like the home button and touch ID. Love the 
size of it as well.

Andrew
> On 21 Sep 2019, at 16:21, Matt T  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks, subject says it all.
> 
> I'm looking at either the 8, or the XR.
> 
> What do people think?
> 
> I like my touch ID.
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For thos who don't wish to update to iOS 13 yet

2019-09-22 Thread 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries
Hi,

Just seen this post on another group posted for those of us who do not wish to 
upgrade to iOS 13 because of possible bugs. I’m pasting the crucial bit below.

"With iOS 13 coming out and lots of us not wanting to download it because of 
the multiple voiceover bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples 
rather sneaky way of overriding your settings to install updates when you don't 
want them. 
If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to turn 
off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be aware 
that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another step you 
will probably need to take. 
You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if you 
want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install now" or 
"later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't want the 
update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At this point, 
the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that you have auto 
update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of days after 
you've seen the dialogue come up. 
So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. Apple 
sure are keen to get us updating.”

Andrew

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Re: Time for a new phone.

2019-09-22 Thread Yuma Decaux
Waiting for my iphone 11 pro max, as a free upgrade from the iphone 8 plus 
which I really liked so far. Hopefully the triple camera technology will allow 
me to play a bit with depth perception and other code stuff :)




> On 22 Sep 2019, at 3:14 pm, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Or you could just do it yourself and let the voiceover voice tell you when 
> your out of camera alignment 
> 
> Strange how that works really, 
> Kind of like apple thought may be blind people might like to do things 
> themselves.
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Phil Halton
> Sent: Sunday, 22 September 2019 8:50 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Time for a new phone.
> 
> One thing I will say about the Face ID training. It helps to get a sighted 
> person to frame your face on the phone and hold it for you while you make the 
> circling gesture with your face. I have absolutely no problem unlocking this 
> phone be it in the dark in the light standing sitting I swear I just kind of 
> glanced at it and it unlocks. I think it all matters and how well you train 
> the Face ID. That’s why a little sided help especially from an Apple tech 
> really helps. Although I’m sure The Apple tech  is not necessary any sighted 
> person who is a little phone savvy, maybe who has an Apple Face ID phone..
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> I just traded up to a 10 are from an eight that I had for two years. Same as 
>> you I wanted to keep the touch ID, but now I think the face ID is absolutely 
>> great. The 10 R is kind of a mix between an eight and an eight max it’s 3“ x 
>> 6“ with a little more heft than the eight. Battery life is much improved, 
>> sounds better as then the eight as well because of bigger speakers. I like 
>> the 10 are over the eight. Also, because it’s last year‘s model, I got $100 
>> off the 10 are. Only paid 600 and with 220 trade-in from my eight got it for 
>> $380. All in all a very good trade up.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2019, at 11:21 AM, Matt T  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi folks, subject says it all.
>>> 
>>> I'm looking at either the 8, or the XR.
>>> 
>>> What do people think?
>>> 
>>> I like my touch ID.
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