date:20191015

interesting bug with mail on catalina

2019-10-15 Thread Michael Marshall

hey all,
A very interesting little situation in the mail app on catalina.
In the view preferences, I have the preview set to 0 lines but yet when i move 
through the list of messages, i still get them read to me even before i open 
them.
Is there something I'm missing here? Has anyone else noticed this?

Michael

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Re: iPhone XS Max Urgent Help.

2019-10-15 Thread Georges Zaynoun

Now problem is over, since I discovered that VoiceOver was not exiting 
correctly and although Siri said it is off I was able to give Siri 
commands like setting a timer or reporting the weather or naming a tune 
etc, I was unable to open any app at all but I could stream live radio 
with Siri, so I emptied the battery and when I powered it back to 
charge it returned functioning as usual.

Original message:

Hi,


I suspect that the slider is working normally, just that the sighted 
person is using non-VO gestures to attempt to enact the action. You can 
either turn off VO and have the sighted person turn off your iPhone, or 
press and hold the side button and the volume down buttons for a few 
seconds, to bring up the Power Down dialog, then flick left a few times 
until the haptic vibration tells you that you've got to the left most 
button, then double-tap. This will shut down the iPhone and will not 
call emergency services. Make sure you flick left enough times to feel 
the haptic vibration. After you restart, you should have normal VO again.



Later...



Tim Kilburn
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
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On Oct 15, 2019, at 08:18, Georges Zaynoun > wrote:



Hi!
To begin with and before I get the question I am on the last update on 
iOS. I was editing an email and was using SmartBeetle Braille display. 
Suddenly speech stopped completely and the cursor on the Braille 
display began dancing but I couldn't navigate any more. Tried to 
restart my Braille display as I do in such situations for no avail. 
Exited and restarted VoiceOver with both Siri and the side button and 
Siri is confirming as usual but the Braille is remembering even when 
VoiceOver the last state it was displaying i.e the last words I wrote. 
I am enabling Voice Control to try open settings-general-shut down but 
no voice feedback. Tried connecting it to iTunes but it is saying I 
must continue on the iPhone to allow Sync. Finally I chased a sighted 
woman and she confirmed my worries, the slider to shut down does not 
work and not when I connect it to iTunes either to allow sync with pc. 
Now I want to force it shut down but how for heavens sake? I am getting 
notifications from the apps on it and it rings, I tapped while on 
charging from cable vol-up-voldown then held on power but it is 
shouting serene and calling sos, any help thanks.



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Re: Option+T speak time delay problem

2019-10-15 Thread Leo

hmm, this is going to be a vexing matter...

Best,
Leo.

On 10/15/2019 2:36 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

Even with the update to Catalina that came out today, I've seen no
real improvements to the Option-t command.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 15, 2019, at 13:50, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries
> wrote:

Same here: I deleted the file but the problem has not gone away. It
gets better for a time but it doesn’t stick.
On 15 Oct 2019, at 14:08, Leo > wrote:

Hi, I did just as you said, and it worked for around 4 minutes, I was
so happy that every minute a check my battery status and the time,
after this, it's not working anymore, the same result happens after
repeating the process of deleting this file...

Best,
Leo.
On 10/14/2019 7:01 PM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Dear List,
I have had this problem for a while.
But since deleting
com.apple.finder.plist
and restarting the Mac, The problem seems to be fixed.
I did this three days ago.
Thanks,
Rob

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Re: sound loss in iOS 13.1.2

2019-10-15 Thread Loy Green

IOS 13.1.3 came out today, but no mention in the release notes about the sound 
loss issues in IOS 13.1.2
  - Original Message - 
  From: João de Sousa e Silva 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 11:41 AM
  Subject: Re: sound loss in iOS 13.1.2

  Should be hard to replicate, otherwise probably it would be already on the go 
to a fix. The Apple advisor refused the logs from my phone…

  Às 16:02 de 15/10/2019, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries escreveu:

Hi, 

There must be some combination of settings that is causing this for those 
of you who experience it more than others.  I did some testing this morning, 
and could not replicate the problem while using the iPhone without headphones.  
I made numerous outgoing calls, disconnected the call myself first, 
disconnected it first from the other phone, tried to disconnect simultaneously, 
all with no loss of sound.  I thought that maybe since speaker routing was 
possibly a factor, I did the same while on speaker phone.  Still no loss of 
sound.  I tried the same scenarios on an a number of incoming calls and still 
did not lose sound.  Again, since audio routing may be a factor, I enabled the 
"Auto-Detect Speaker In Call" feature under Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, 
Audio.  I still did not lose sound after ending the call in all the ways 
mentioned above.  I did not try again with headphones on, but I was attempting 
to replicate the issue as others have explained it.  I just must be bloody 
lucky right now as I'm not experiencing this problem and I certainly would find 
it frustrating, maybe even exasperating if I did have it happen as often as 
others have reported.  I guess I'll just hope that the big boys at Apple figure 
it out soon so that this can be eliminated.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 15, 2019, at 08:36, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
I have the XR and I only have some issues when unlocking the phone.
But its not a big one.
/A

  14 okt. 2019 kl. 23:02 skrev Phil Halton :

  Are people having this sound loss problem only when making a call? I have 
a 10 are and I have yet to have this problem, but then again, I have only 
received calls, not made one yet.

  Sent from my IPhone

On Oct 14, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Angus MacKinnon  
wrote:

Yesterday, I made a call to my Pharmacy with my iPhone XR and when I 
hangedd up and lossed all sounds. Hardware reset and called an Uncle on my 
iPhone XR and lossed all sounds. Hardware reset and performed other tasks. When 
Jonathan Mosen lost all sounds on his iPhone 11, he still had Braille and made 
a call and got all sounds came back. Jonathan Mosen recommends playing a song 
or stream a radio station before making a call. I just told Siri to play a song 
before making a call and no sounds on my iPhone XR was not lossed.

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Re: Option+T speak time delay problem

2019-10-15 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries

Hi,

Even with the update to Catalina that came out today, I've seen no real 
improvements to the Option-t command.

Later...


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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
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On Oct 15, 2019, at 13:50, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Same here: I deleted the file but the problem has not gone away.  It gets 
better for a time but it doesn’t stick.
> On 15 Oct 2019, at 14:08, Leo  > wrote:
> 
> Hi, I did just as you said, and it worked for around 4 minutes, I was so 
> happy that every minute a check my battery status and the time, after this, 
> it's not working anymore, the same result happens after repeating the process 
> of deleting this file...  
> 
> 
> 
> ti
> 
> Best,
>Leo.
> On 10/14/2019 7:01 PM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Dear List,
>> I have had this problem for a while.
>> But since deleting
>> com.apple.finder.plist
>> and restarting the Mac, The problem seems to be fixed.
>> I did this three days ago.
>> Thanks,
>> Rob
>>  
>> 
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Re: Option+T speak time delay problem

2019-10-15 Thread 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries

Same here: I deleted the file but the problem has not gone away.  It gets 
better for a time but it doesn’t stick.
> On 15 Oct 2019, at 14:08, Leo  wrote:
> 
> Hi, I did just as you said, and it worked for around 4 minutes, I was so 
> happy that every minute a check my battery status and the time, after this, 
> it's not working anymore, the same result happens after repeating the process 
> of deleting this file...  
> 
> 
> 
> ti
> Best,
>Leo.
> On 10/14/2019 7:01 PM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Dear List,
>> I have had this problem for a while.
>> But since deleting
>> com.apple.finder.plist
>> and restarting the Mac, The problem seems to be fixed.
>> I did this three days ago.
>> Thanks,
>> Rob
>>  
>> 
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Re: iPhone XS Max Urgent Help.

2019-10-15 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries

Hi,I suspect that the slider is working normally, just that the sighted person is using non-VO gestures to attempt to enact the action.  You can either turn off VO and have the sighted person turn off your iPhone, or press and hold the side button and the volume down buttons for a few seconds, to bring up the Power Down dialog, then flick left a few times until the haptic vibration tells you that you've got to the left most button, then double-tap.  This will shut down the iPhone and will not call emergency services.  Make sure you flick left enough times to feel the haptic vibration.  After you restart, you should have normal VO again.Later...
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On Oct 15, 2019, at 08:18, Georges Zaynoun  wrote:Hi!To begin with and before I get the question I am on the last update on iOS. I was editing an email  and was using SmartBeetle Braille display. Suddenly speech stopped completely and the cursor on the  Braille display began dancing but I couldn't navigate any more. Tried to restart my Braille display  as I do in such situations for no avail. Exited and restarted VoiceOver with both Siri and the side  button and Siri is confirming as usual but the Braille is remembering even when VoiceOver the last  state it was displaying i.e the last words I wrote. I am enabling Voice Control to try open  settings-general-shut down but no voice feedback. Tried connecting it to iTunes but it is saying I  must continue on the iPhone to allow Sync. Finally I chased a sighted woman and she confirmed my  worries, the slider to shut down does not work and not when I connect it to iTunes either to allow  sync with pc. Now I want to force it shut down but how for heavens sake? I am getting notifications from the apps on it and it rings, I tapped while on charging from cable  vol-up-voldown then held on power but it is shouting serene and calling sos, any help thanks.-- Georges ZeinounTimmerv. 6A ITR LGH1102, 54163 SKÖVDE    SWEDENTel: +46 (500) 48 29 29 Mobile: +46 (70) 366 63 29-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/b9e50467.3700.4251.89ee.940ddfac3819%40samobile.net.



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Re: Clean install of Catalina with Boot Camp?

2019-10-15 Thread matthew dyer

Not in my case.  The bootcamp partition. Was untoucheded in my system.  Thanks.

Matthew



> On Oct 14, 2019, at 9:09 PM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi Matthew,
> Does Catalina recognize the boot camp partition since it wasn’t created with 
> Catalina?
> I thought that erasing the Mac HD, would also erase the windows partition.
> 
> 
>> On Oct 14, 2019, at 4:05 PM, matthew dyer  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I just did this on my iMac from, 2013 a few days ago and if you hav  a 
>> bootable usb installer you should be good to go.  Just make sure that you 
>> select your Mac OS partition  and select erase from the toolbar and then do 
>> the install in the usual way.  HTH,
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 13, 2019, at 8:54 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes but I would be very very carefull doing it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries  
>>> Sent: Monday, 14 October 2019 1:23 PM
>>> To: Email Groups 
>>> Subject: Clean install of Catalina with Boot Camp?
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>>> Dear List,
>>> Is there a way to do a Clean install of Catalina with Boot Camp without 
>>> deleting the Windows partition?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Rob
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Re: iPhone XS Max Urgent Help.

2019-10-15 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries

Hi,

I suspect that the slider is working normally, just that the sighted person is 
using non-VO gestures to attempt to enact the action.  You can either turn off 
VO and have the sighted person turn off your iPhone, or press and hold the side 
button and the volume down buttons for a few seconds, to bring up the Power 
Down dialog, then flick left a few times until the haptic vibration tells you 
that you've got to the left most button, then double-tap.  This will shut down 
the iPhone and will not call emergency services.  Make sure you flick left 
enough times to feel the haptic vibration.  After you restart, you should have 
normal VO again.

Later...


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On Oct 15, 2019, at 08:18, Georges Zaynoun mailto:humorlessg...@samobile.net>> wrote:

Hi!
To begin with and before I get the question I am on the last update on iOS. I 
was editing an email  and was using SmartBeetle Braille display. Suddenly 
speech stopped completely and the cursor on the  Braille display began dancing 
but I couldn't navigate any more. Tried to restart my Braille display  as I do 
in such situations for no avail. Exited and restarted VoiceOver with both Siri 
and the side  button and Siri is confirming as usual but the Braille is 
remembering even when VoiceOver the last  state it was displaying i.e the last 
words I wrote. I am enabling Voice Control to try open  settings-general-shut 
down but no voice feedback. Tried connecting it to iTunes but it is saying I  
must continue on the iPhone to allow Sync. Finally I chased a sighted woman and 
she confirmed my  worries, the slider to shut down does not work and not when I 
connect it to iTunes either to allow  sync with pc. Now I want to force it shut 
down but how for heavens sake? I am getting notifications from the apps on it 
and it rings, I tapped while on charging from cable  vol-up-voldown then held 
on power but it is shouting serene and calling sos, any help thanks.

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Re: sound loss in iOS 13.1.2

2019-10-15 Thread João de Sousa e Silva

Indeed he wasn’t telling nothing else. Just that it still under
investigation to determine its cause.

Às 18:39 de 15/10/2019, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries escreveu:

Hi,

And that's about all an advisor will ever know. They do not have
access to when fixes will be deployed, whether they've been nailed
down, anything of that sort. For an advisor to tell you more detail
than that is likely them simply trying to appease you.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
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Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 15, 2019, at 11:30, João de Sousa e Silva > wrote:

The advisor. He told me that it is acknowledged and still being
investigated to define its cause.

Às 17:54 de 15/10/2019, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries escreveu:

Hi,

Who is to say that it is not on a "go to a fix" as you have called
it? Apple seldom, if ever, releases such information.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
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Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 15, 2019, at 09:41, João de Sousa e Silva > wrote:

Should be hard to replicate, otherwise probably it would be already
on the go to a fix. The Apple advisor refused the logs from my phone…

Às 16:02 de 15/10/2019, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries escreveu:

Hi,

There must be some combination of settings that is causing this for
those of you who experience it more than others. I did some testing
this morning, and could not replicate the problem while using the
iPhone without headphones. I made numerous outgoing calls,
disconnected the call myself first, disconnected it first from the
other phone, tried to disconnect simultaneously, all with no loss of
sound. I thought that maybe since speaker routing was possibly a
factor, I did the same while on speaker phone. Still no loss of
sound. I tried the same scenarios on an a number of incoming calls
and still did not lose sound. Again, since audio routing may be a
factor, I enabled the "Auto-Detect Speaker In Call" feature under
Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Audio. I still did not lose
sound after ending the call in all the ways mentioned above. I did
not try again with headphones on, but I was attempting to replicate
the issue as others have explained it. I just must be bloody lucky
right now as I'm not experiencing this problem and I certainly would
find it frustrating, maybe even exasperating if I did have it happen
as often as others have reported. I guess I'll just hope that the
big boys at Apple figure it out soon so that this can be eliminated.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 15, 2019, at 08:36, Anders Holmberg > wrote:

Hi!
I have the XR and I only have some issues when unlocking the phone.
But its not a big one.
/A

14 okt. 2019 kl. 23:02 skrev Phil Halton >:

Are people having this sound loss problem only when making a call?
I have a 10 are and I have yet to have this problem, but then
again, I have only received calls, not made one yet.

Sent from my IPhone

On Oct 14, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Angus MacKinnon > wrote:

Yesterday, I made a call to my Pharmacy with my iPhone XR and
when I hangedd up and lossed all sounds. Hardware reset and called
an Uncle on my iPhone XR and lossed all sounds. Hardware reset and
performed other tasks. When Jonathan Mosen lost all sounds on his
iPhone 11, he still had Braille and made a call and got all sounds
came back. Jonathan Mosen recommends playing a song or stream a
radio station before making a call. I just told Siri to play a
song before making a call and no sounds on my iPhone XR was not
lossed.

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Re: sound loss in iOS 13.1.2

2019-10-15 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries

Hi,

And that's about all an advisor will ever know.  They do not have access to 
when fixes will be deployed, whether they've been nailed down, anything of that 
sort.  For an advisor to tell you more detail than that is likely them simply 
trying to appease you.

Later...


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Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 15, 2019, at 11:30, João de Sousa e Silva  wrote:

The advisor. He told me that it is acknowledged and still being investigated to 
define its cause.


Às 17:54 de 15/10/2019, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries escreveu:
> Hi,
> 
> Who is to say that it is not on a "go to a fix" as you have called it?  Apple 
> seldom, if ever, releases such information.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 15, 2019, at 09:41, João de Sousa e Silva  > wrote:
> 
> Should be hard to replicate, otherwise probably it would be already on the go 
> to a fix. The Apple advisor refused the logs from my phone…
> 
> 
> 
> Às 16:02 de 15/10/2019, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries escreveu:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> There must be some combination of settings that is causing this for those of 
>> you who experience it more than others.  I did some testing this morning, 
>> and could not replicate the problem while using the iPhone without 
>> headphones.  I made numerous outgoing calls, disconnected the call myself 
>> first, disconnected it first from the other phone, tried to disconnect 
>> simultaneously, all with no loss of sound.  I thought that maybe since 
>> speaker routing was possibly a factor, I did the same while on speaker 
>> phone.  Still no loss of sound.  I tried the same scenarios on an a number 
>> of incoming calls and still did not lose sound.  Again, since audio routing 
>> may be a factor, I enabled the "Auto-Detect Speaker In Call" feature under 
>> Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Audio.  I still did not lose sound after 
>> ending the call in all the ways mentioned above.  I did not try again with 
>> headphones on, but I was attempting to replicate the issue as others have 
>> explained it.  I just must be bloody lucky right now as I'm not experiencing 
>> this problem and I certainly would find it frustrating, maybe even 
>> exasperating if I did have it happen as often as others have reported.  I 
>> guess I'll just hope that the big boys at Apple figure it out soon so that 
>> this can be eliminated.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Jamf Certified Associate
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 15, 2019, at 08:36, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I have the XR and I only have some issues when unlocking the phone.
>> But its not a big one.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 14 okt. 2019 kl. 23:02 skrev Phil Halton >> >:
>>> 
>>> Are people having this sound loss problem only when making a call? I have a 
>>> 10 are and I have yet to have this problem, but then again, I have only 
>>> received calls, not made one yet.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 14, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Angus MacKinnon >>> > wrote:
 
 Yesterday, I made a call to my Pharmacy with my iPhone XR and when I 
 hangedd up and lossed all sounds. Hardware reset and called an Uncle on my 
 iPhone XR and lossed all sounds. Hardware reset and performed other tasks. 
 When Jonathan Mosen lost all sounds on his iPhone 11, he still had Braille 
 and made a call and got all sounds came back. Jonathan Mosen recommends 
 playing a song or stream a radio station before making a call. I just told 
 Siri to play a song before making a call and no sounds on my iPhone XR was 
 not lossed.
 
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Re: sound loss in iOS 13.1.2

2019-10-15 Thread João de Sousa e Silva

The advisor. He told me that it is acknowledged and still being
investigated to define its cause.

Às 17:54 de 15/10/2019, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries escreveu:

Hi,

Who is to say that it is not on a "go to a fix" as you have called it?
Apple seldom, if ever, releases such information.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
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Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 15, 2019, at 09:41, João de Sousa e Silva > wrote:

Should be hard to replicate, otherwise probably it would be already on
the go to a fix. The Apple advisor refused the logs from my phone…

Às 16:02 de 15/10/2019, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries escreveu:

Hi,

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 15, 2019, at 08:36, Anders Holmberg > wrote:

Hi!
I have the XR and I only have some issues when unlocking the phone.
But its not a big one.
/A

14 okt. 2019 kl. 23:02 skrev Phil Halton >:

Are people having this sound loss problem only when making a call? I
have a 10 are and I have yet to have this problem, but then again, I
have only received calls, not made one yet.

Sent from my IPhone

On Oct 14, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Angus MacKinnon > wrote:

Yesterday, I made a call to my Pharmacy with my iPhone XR and when
I hangedd up and lossed all sounds. Hardware reset and called an
Uncle on my iPhone XR and lossed all sounds. Hardware reset and
performed other tasks. When Jonathan Mosen lost all sounds on his
iPhone 11, he still had Braille and made a call and got all sounds
came back. Jonathan Mosen recommends playing a song or stream a
radio station before making a call. I just told Siri to play a song
before making a call and no sounds on my iPhone XR was not lossed.

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Re: Unexpected fan speedup in Mojave.

2019-10-15 Thread Anders Holmberg

Hi!
I did reset the pram and it seems to help.
Now I have a problem with Catalina but that’s another subject.
/A

> 15 okt. 2019 kl. 17:02 skrev Jonathan Cohn :
> 
> No this is not normal. I suggest a logout / login cycle and see if it still 
> occurs. Unless you are visiting a site that sends several  events through to 
> VoiceOver, VoiceOver shouldn't be using so much CPU, and if Safari was 
> causing this,Safari should be working harder.
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 15, 2019, at 10:11 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> No, this is not normal per se, although it's not totally abnormal either.  
>> There may be some background processes coincidentally happening that affect 
>> the load on the processors, or one of the processors might be heating up a 
>> little more than usual, so the fans believe that they should engage.  Even 
>> though Safari may not be the lone culprit, when you combine the CPU usage of 
>> VO along with the vast array of other background activities, may just 
>> combine to create enough heat to require fan cooling.  I wouldn't worry 
>> about it unless it continues for days.   Sometimes a restart will clean 
>> things up.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Jamf Certified Associate
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>> 
>> On Oct 14, 2019, at 12:11, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> My macbook air mid 2015 has gotten an unexpected fan speedup.
>> This happens when i use safari and mail but most of the time when i use 
>> safari.
>> When i quit safari it stops.
>> But in the activity monitor the process is only using like 2% of the 
>> processor.
>> VoiceOver though uses 102% of the processor.
>> Is this a normal behaviour?
>> Thanks in advance.
>> /A
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Re: sound loss in iOS 13.1.2

2019-10-15 Thread Petrus Tuerlings

I just noticed a software update this morning, so hopefully this will fix the 
problem. 13.1.3

Sent from Petrus's iPhone

> On 16/10/2019, at 05:55, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Who is to say that it is not on a "go to a fix" as you have called it?  Apple 
> seldom, if ever, releases such information.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Oct 15, 2019, at 09:41, João de Sousa e Silva  wrote:
>> 
>> Should be hard to replicate, otherwise probably it would be already on the 
>> go to a fix. The Apple advisor refused the logs from my phone…
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Às 16:02 de 15/10/2019, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries escreveu:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> There must be some combination of settings that is causing this for those of 
>> you who experience it more than others.  I did some testing this morning, 
>> and could not replicate the problem while using the iPhone without 
>> headphones.  I made numerous outgoing calls, disconnected the call myself 
>> first, disconnected it first from the other phone, tried to disconnect 
>> simultaneously, all with no loss of sound.  I thought that maybe since 
>> speaker routing was possibly a factor, I did the same while on speaker 
>> phone.  Still no loss of sound.  I tried the same scenarios on an a number 
>> of incoming calls and still did not lose sound.  Again, since audio routing 
>> may be a factor, I enabled the "Auto-Detect Speaker In Call" feature under 
>> Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Audio.  I still did not lose sound after 
>> ending the call in all the ways mentioned above.  I did not try again with 
>> headphones on, but I was attempting to replicate the issue as others have 
>> explained it.  I just must be bloody lucky right now as I'm not experiencing 
>> this problem and I certainly would find it frustrating, maybe even 
>> exasperating if I did have it happen as often as others have reported.  I 
>> guess I'll just hope that the big boys at Apple figure it out soon so that 
>> this can be eliminated.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Jamf Certified Associate
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 15, 2019, at 08:36, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I have the XR and I only have some issues when unlocking the phone.
>> But its not a big one.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 14 okt. 2019 kl. 23:02 skrev Phil Halton :
>>> 
>>> Are people having this sound loss problem only when making a call? I have a 
>>> 10 are and I have yet to have this problem, but then again, I have only 
>>> received calls, not made one yet.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 14, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:
 
 Yesterday, I made a call to my Pharmacy with my iPhone XR and when I 
 hangedd up and lossed all sounds. Hardware reset and called an Uncle on my 
 iPhone XR and lossed all sounds. Hardware reset and performed other tasks. 
 When Jonathan Mosen lost all sounds on his iPhone 11, he still had Braille 
 and made a call and got all sounds came back. Jonathan Mosen recommends 
 playing a song or stream a radio station before making a call. I just told 
 Siri to play a song before making a call and no sounds on my iPhone XR was 
 not lossed.
 
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Re: sound loss in iOS 13.1.2

2019-10-15 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries

Hi,

Who is to say that it is not on a "go to a fix" as you have called it?  Apple 
seldom, if ever, releases such information.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 15, 2019, at 09:41, João de Sousa e Silva  wrote:

Should be hard to replicate, otherwise probably it would be already on the go 
to a fix. The Apple advisor refused the logs from my phone…



Às 16:02 de 15/10/2019, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries escreveu:
> Hi,
> 
> There must be some combination of settings that is causing this for those of 
> you who experience it more than others.  I did some testing this morning, and 
> could not replicate the problem while using the iPhone without headphones.  I 
> made numerous outgoing calls, disconnected the call myself first, 
> disconnected it first from the other phone, tried to disconnect 
> simultaneously, all with no loss of sound.  I thought that maybe since 
> speaker routing was possibly a factor, I did the same while on speaker phone. 
>  Still no loss of sound.  I tried the same scenarios on an a number of 
> incoming calls and still did not lose sound.  Again, since audio routing may 
> be a factor, I enabled the "Auto-Detect Speaker In Call" feature under 
> Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Audio.  I still did not lose sound after 
> ending the call in all the ways mentioned above.  I did not try again with 
> headphones on, but I was attempting to replicate the issue as others have 
> explained it.  I just must be bloody lucky right now as I'm not experiencing 
> this problem and I certainly would find it frustrating, maybe even 
> exasperating if I did have it happen as often as others have reported.  I 
> guess I'll just hope that the big boys at Apple figure it out soon so that 
> this can be eliminated.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 15, 2019, at 08:36, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I have the XR and I only have some issues when unlocking the phone.
> But its not a big one.
> /A
> 
>> 14 okt. 2019 kl. 23:02 skrev Phil Halton > >:
>> 
>> Are people having this sound loss problem only when making a call? I have a 
>> 10 are and I have yet to have this problem, but then again, I have only 
>> received calls, not made one yet.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 14, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Angus MacKinnon >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yesterday, I made a call to my Pharmacy with my iPhone XR and when I 
>>> hangedd up and lossed all sounds. Hardware reset and called an Uncle on my 
>>> iPhone XR and lossed all sounds. Hardware reset and performed other tasks. 
>>> When Jonathan Mosen lost all sounds on his iPhone 11, he still had Braille 
>>> and made a call and got all sounds came back. Jonathan Mosen recommends 
>>> playing a song or stream a radio station before making a call. I just told 
>>> Siri to play a song before making a call and no sounds on my iPhone XR was 
>>> not lossed.
>>> 
>>> Angus MacKinnon, Personalism Student
>>> Charles Péguy said, “The revolution is moral or not at all”
>>> 
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Re: sound loss in iOS 13.1.2

2019-10-15 Thread João de Sousa e Silva

Should be hard to replicate, otherwise probably it would be already on
the go to a fix. The Apple advisor refused the logs from my phone…

Às 16:02 de 15/10/2019, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries escreveu:

Hi,

There must be some combination of settings that is causing this for
those of you who experience it more than others. I did some testing
this morning, and could not replicate the problem while using the
iPhone without headphones. I made numerous outgoing calls,
disconnected the call myself first, disconnected it first from the
other phone, tried to disconnect simultaneously, all with no loss of
sound. I thought that maybe since speaker routing was possibly a
factor, I did the same while on speaker phone. Still no loss of
sound. I tried the same scenarios on an a number of incoming calls
and still did not lose sound. Again, since audio routing may be a
factor, I enabled the "Auto-Detect Speaker In Call" feature under
Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Audio. I still did not lose sound
after ending the call in all the ways mentioned above. I did not try
again with headphones on, but I was attempting to replicate the issue
as others have explained it. I just must be bloody lucky right now as
I'm not experiencing this problem and I certainly would find it
frustrating, maybe even exasperating if I did have it happen as often
as others have reported. I guess I'll just hope that the big boys at
Apple figure it out soon so that this can be eliminated.