Screen waking up with earphones connected

[João de Sousa e Silva]

Hi,

I have an iPhone 8 updated that when I am using the earphones the screen 
wakes-up right after locking. The iPhone 7 doesn’t have sucha problem. 
It is impossible to use the iPhone 8 to listen something once Voiceover 
is always saying the hours.


Anyone else?

Best,

João

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Re: Hey Siri not working well on HomePod after update

[João de Sousa e Silva]

I have that problem. Restarted, Siri off/on etc. Called to Apple and it 
is a general recognized problem. They said that a fix is on the go in 
the next few days. Ohhh I am so tired of these bloody updates…



Às 00:22 de 01/11/2019, Simon A Fogarty escreveu:


Hi Mary,

Or could it simply be that apple have really dropped the ball on this 
years operating system versions and they don’t care!


I’m starting to wonder!

I know they have had bad days in the passed but I think this is the 
worst IOS release I’ve seen in a while for bugs.


May be they need to stop and take a look at what they are doing before 
they start on things for 2020


*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten

*Sent:* Friday, 1 November 2019 1:19 PM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Hey Siri not working well on HomePod after update

To be honest, no. I have not restarted the HomePod. There was that 
problem with HomePods be bricked. And even though supposedly the 
problem solved, just call me paranoid. It’s inconsistent. Sometimes it 
works and sometimes not. Somehow I wonder if maybe Siri is just being 
slammed or something. Maybe everybody’s trying stuff. I don’t know.


Sent from my iPhone



On Oct 31, 2019, at 4:42 PM, Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:



Crazy question,

Have you simply restarted the home pod to see if things change?

*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Friday, 1 November 2019 12:27 PM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*Subject:* Re: Hey Siri not working well on HomePod after update

Yes, you can turn hey Siri off and on. I have also tried holding
down on the play button on the HomePod itself, which will activate
Siri. It certainly helps with getting her attention, but the
results are not wonderful sometimes.

Sent from my iPhone




On Oct 31, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Petrus Tuerlings
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I’m guessing one can turn it off and back on again? This
works for most other things if it isn’t working the way you
want? You probably tried this already? We don’t have the
HomePod in New Zealand so I can’t test this.




On 1/11/2019, at 11:09, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I was really looking forward to the update to 13.2 for the
HomePod. And I finally got it after the first one was
withdrawn and they introduced 13.2.1. Now it seems that at
least half of the time, Siri is deaf. I can say hey Siri
two or three times before I get any results at all. And
she comes up with the wildest stupidest things that aren’t
even close to what I requested, unless it’s something from
Apple Music. It’s crazy.


Sent from my iPhone

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Re: FW: AirPods Pro, AirTags, New Mac Pro Imminen t? — MacRumors 🎃

[Robin]

Here's Another  Review   of Apple's NEW AirPods PRO:
Copy & Paste the URL into the InternetBrowser of 
YourChoice & Give it a Listen, if  you so desire)

URL:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YrgkV81Kdc

At 05:07 PM 10/31/2019, you wrote:

Hi List,

I’ve sent this on as there is a link to a You 
Tube video of Mac Rumours Airpod Pro unboxing / release.


After watching it I’ve somewhat changed my 
mind regarding these airpod pro devices,


It appears they have simple media controls on the stem of the airpods,
Not toggle switchs but infact you squeeze the 
stem and depending on howmany times you have squeezed it

Certain things happen

Only thing though is being unemployed and therefore no income,]
I can’t afford to splash out for this at the moment.

I do think for those that haven’t you should 
have a look at this unboxing and the comparison 
between the airpods 2 and the pro also.


Cheers,


Simon F


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Apple 
Releases AirPods Pro
Happy Halloween! Apple this week 
treated 
us with all-new AirPods Pro with several 
improvements over regular AirPods, including 
active noise cancellation, IPX4-rated water and 
sweat resistance, and improved sound quality. Be 
sure to read our 
AirPods 
vs. AirPods Pro feature comparison.


AirPods Pro sport an in-ear design with three 
sizes of silicone ear tips, complete with a vent 
system for improved comfort. 
A 
new Ear Tip Fit Test feature located in 
Settings > Bluetooth on an iPhone or iPad can 
help determine which size ear tips are best for you.


AirPods Pro are priced at $249 with a wireless 
charging case and have been available to order 
since October 30. Apple Store pickup is also 
available. For more details, 
read 
our in-depth AirPods Pro roundup.


Read 
Full Article

Popular Stories
Oct 31, 2019
Hands-On 
With AirPods Pro


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the AirPods Pro on our YouTube channel, 
providing a hands-on look at the new in-ear 
design, sound quality, how well active noise cancellation works, and more.


‌AirPods Pro‌ are $50 more than the 
‌second-generation AirPods with a wireless 
charging case, and with active noise 
cancellation, a comfortable fit, and superior 
sound, choosing ‌AirPods Pro‌ over ‌AirPods‌ has many advantages.


Subscribe 
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iOS 
13.2 is Out With 
New 
Emoji, Deep Fusion for iPhone 11, Siri Privacy Options, and More


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Apple has 
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iOS 13.2 and iPadOS 13.2 for the iPhone and 
iPad, respectively, with several new features 
like new emoji, Deep Fusion image processing for 
the iPhone 11 lineup, new Siri privacy options, AirPods Pro support, and more.


iOS 13.2 led to a few leaks this week, including 
a 
potential 
"AirTags" name for Apple's rumored Tile-like 
item trackers as well as 
Smart 
Battery Cases for the iPhone 11 lineup.


Other softw

Re: Display brightens itself after Macbook wakes from sleep

[Jonathan Cohn]

I have better luck setting my screen brightness to 1-5%. Having Brightness set 
to 0 for sighted people is just as bad as having volume set to 0 for us, though 
I have to say there seem to be a lot more people who use their computers with 
sight. :-)


> On Oct 31, 2019, at 6:31 PM, Ibraheem Fakir  wrote:
> 
> Hey list,
> 
> An observation I’ve made with my new MacBook Air and Catalina. Every time my 
> screen locks after a period of idleness or I put my computer to sleep and I 
> return to unlock my screen or awaken my computer, the screen returns to a 
> setting of full brightness. I always keep my screen’s brightness at 0%. I do 
> not turn on the screen curtain feature as I never had to with my previous 
> machine. I simply kept my display’s brightness at 0% all the time so didn’t 
> really see the point for screen curtain.
> 
> Do I have to use screen curtain now so that my computer screen remains turned 
> off when waking my computer up from sleep? Is there a fix to keep the 
> brightness set to 0% and not to restore when unlocking my screen?
> 
> Thanks so much!
> 
> All best,
> Ibraheem
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RE: Hey Siri not working well on HomePod after update

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Mary,

Or could it simply be that apple have really dropped the ball on this years 
operating system versions and they don’t care!

I’m starting to wonder!

I know they have had bad days in the passed but I think this is the worst IOS 
release I’ve seen in a while for bugs.

May be they need to stop and take a look at what they are doing before they 
start on things for 2020



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, 1 November 2019 1:19 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Hey Siri not working well on HomePod after update

To be honest, no. I have not restarted the HomePod. There was that problem with 
HomePods be bricked. And even though supposedly the problem solved, just call 
me paranoid. It’s inconsistent. Sometimes it works and sometimes not. Somehow I 
wonder if maybe Siri is just being slammed or something. Maybe everybody’s 
trying stuff. I don’t know.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 31, 2019, at 4:42 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Crazy question,

Have you simply restarted the home pod to see if things change?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, 1 November 2019 12:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Hey Siri not working well on HomePod after update

Yes, you can turn hey Siri off and on. I have also tried holding down on the 
play button on the HomePod itself, which will activate Siri. It certainly helps 
with getting her attention, but the results are not wonderful sometimes.

Sent from my iPhone



On Oct 31, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I’m guessing one can turn it off and back on again? This works for most other 
things if it isn’t working the way you want? You probably tried this already? 
We don’t have the HomePod in New Zealand so I can’t test this.



On 1/11/2019, at 11:09, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I was really looking forward to the update to 13.2 for the HomePod. And I 
finally got it after the first one was withdrawn and they introduced 13.2.1. 
Now it seems that at least half of the time, Siri is deaf. I can say hey Siri 
two or three times before I get any results at all. And she comes up with the 
wildest stupidest things that aren’t even close to what I requested, unless 
it’s something from Apple Music. It’s crazy.


Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Hey Siri not working well on HomePod after update

[Mary Otten]

To be honest, no. I have not restarted the HomePod. There was that problem with 
HomePods be bricked. And even though supposedly the problem solved, just call 
me paranoid. It’s inconsistent. Sometimes it works and sometimes not. Somehow I 
wonder if maybe Siri is just being slammed or something. Maybe everybody’s 
trying stuff. I don’t know.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2019, at 4:42 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> 
> Crazy question,
>  
> Have you simply restarted the home pod to see if things change?
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Friday, 1 November 2019 12:27 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Hey Siri not working well on HomePod after update
>  
> Yes, you can turn hey Siri off and on. I have also tried holding down on the 
> play button on the HomePod itself, which will activate Siri. It certainly 
> helps with getting her attention, but the results are not wonderful sometimes.
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Oct 31, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
> I’m guessing one can turn it off and back on again? This works for most 
> other things if it isn’t working the way you want? You probably tried this 
> already? We don’t have the HomePod in New Zealand so I can’t test this. 
> 
> 
> On 1/11/2019, at 11:09, Mary Otten  wrote:
>  
> I was really looking forward to the update to 13.2 for the HomePod. And I 
> finally got it after the first one was withdrawn and they introduced 13.2.1. 
> Now it seems that at least half of the time, Siri is deaf. I can say hey Siri 
> two or three times before I get any results at all. And she comes up with the 
> wildest stupidest things that aren’t even close to what I requested, unless 
> it’s something from Apple Music. It’s crazy.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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FW: AirPods Pro, AirTags, New Mac Pro Imminent? — MacRumors 🎃

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi List,

I’ve sent this on as there is a link to a You Tube video of Mac Rumours Airpod 
Pro unboxing / release.

After watching it I’ve somewhat changed my mind regarding these airpod pro 
devices,

It appears they have simple media controls on the stem of the airpods,
Not toggle switchs but infact you squeeze the stem and depending on howmany 
times you have squeezed it
Certain things happen

Only thing though is being unemployed and therefore no income,]
I can’t afford to splash out for this at the moment.

I do think for those that haven’t you should have a look at this unboxing and 
the comparison between the airpods 2 and the pro also.

Cheers,


Simon F

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sender.]
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Apple
 Releases AirPods Pro
Happy Halloween! Apple this week treated us with all-new AirPods 
Pro
 with several improvements over regular AirPods, including active noise 
cancellation, IPX4-rated water and sweat resistance, and improved sound 
quality. Be sure to read our AirPods vs. AirPods Pro feature 
comparison.

AirPods Pro sport an in-ear design with three sizes of silicone ear tips, 
complete with a vent system for improved comfort. A new Ear Tip Fit Test 
feature
 located in Settings > Bluetooth on an iPhone or iPad can help determine which 
size ear tips are best for you.

AirPods Pro are priced at $249 with a wireless charging case and have been 
available to order since October 30. Apple Store pickup is also available. For 
more details, read our in-depth AirPods Pro 
roundup.

Read Full 
Article
Popular Stories
Oct 31, 2019
Hands-On With AirPods 
Pro
[Image
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sender.]MacRumors
 has unboxed the AirPods Pro on our YouTube 
channel,
 providing a hands-on look at the new in-ear design, sound quality, how well 
active noise cancellation works, and more.

‌AirPods Pro‌ are $50 more than the ‌second-generation AirPods with a wireless 
charging case, and with active noise cancellation, a comfortable fit, and 
superior sound, choosing ‌AirPods Pro‌ over ‌AirPods‌ has many advantages.

Subscribe to MacRumors on YouTube for new Apple-related videos every 
week!

Read Full 
Article
iOS 13.2 is Out With 

 New Emoji, Deep Fusion for iPhone 11, Siri Privacy Options, and 
More
[Image
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sender.]Apple
 has released iOS 13.2 and iPadOS 13.2 for the iPhone and 
iPad,
 respectively, with several new features like new emoji, Deep Fusion image 
processing for the iPhone 11 lineup, new Siri privacy options, AirPods Pro 
support, and more.

iOS 13.2 led to a few leaks this week, including a potential "AirTags" name for 
Apple's rumored Tile-like item 
trackers
 as well as Smart Battery Cases for t

RE: Reformating iMac and Installing Catalina

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi angus,

Firstly both of those will work, but you will need to have a wifi network 
available to connect to as they need the internet to get to your installation 
media which in those cases comes from apple.

As for your SD card,

I’d try these 2 options.

On start up if you can see enough
Hold down Just the Option key and kleep holding it until you hear the chime

This will give you all available bootable devices currently available on your 
machine,
Including your SD card.

Once this screen shows the devices,
You tab to the SD card and hit enter then just wait for it to start up on to 
the installer,

It will either show the language to run as  or the utilities.

Then follow your prompts as required.

Or even easier and not needing sight,

Start the iMac up as normal,
Go in to system preferrences
Scrole down till you find the start up disk,
Open this,
Unlock if you need to,
Find the SD card bootable disk if it’s there vo keys plus space bar to select 
it,
Then select the restart button  which you need to do twice and wait for the 
machine to boot from the sd card and as abopve follow the prompts.

If you are going to use the command r or command shift r options  then you wont 
need the SD card as those both use the interwebness to install MacOS.

Or even better and as tim said,
Just run the installer and it will install over your current system which means 
you wont have to worry about backing up and recovering everything.



Hope that helps.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Angus MacKinnon
Sent: Friday, 1 November 2019 12:37 PM
To: MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Reformating iMac and Installing Catalina

Simon

Thank you.
Is it CMD+R or Shift+CMD+R? And I shotdown the iMac and Cold Boot with the SD 
Card in the slot. What option should I choose?

Angus MacKinnon, Personalism Student
Charles Péguy said, “The revolution is moral or not at all”
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RE: iTunes Store and Touch ID

[Simon A Fogarty]

I’ve got a  phone with face id and I’ve not had this

I do get prompted to double click the side button and once I do that everything 
is fine.

I’ll have to give this a go with my iPad mini I’ve just purchased.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Friday, 1 November 2019 12:28 PM
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Subject: Re: iTunes Store and Touch ID

I have heard of people having this problem. I have not had it. But I have been 
using either Face ID or touch ID, depending on the phone. Nothing seems to of 
changed with the update to iOS 13.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 31, 2019, at 3:55 PM, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I was wondering if this was normal behaviour with Touch ID on the iPhone and 
the iTunes Store? After updating to 13.2 I wanted to purchase a couple of 
albums in the iTunes Store and my Touch ID wouldn’t work. I had to go back into 
the phone settings and turn off touch ID for the App Store and iTunes Store and 
then turn it back on again in order for it to work. Can’t say that this has 
happened before as I’ve only started using Touch ID with iOS 13. But once I 
turned it off and back on it worked again.
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RE: Hey Siri not working well on HomePod after update

[Simon A Fogarty]

Crazy question,

Have you simply restarted the home pod to see if things change?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Friday, 1 November 2019 12:27 PM
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Subject: Re: Hey Siri not working well on HomePod after update

Yes, you can turn hey Siri off and on. I have also tried holding down on the 
play button on the HomePod itself, which will activate Siri. It certainly helps 
with getting her attention, but the results are not wonderful sometimes.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 31, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I’m guessing one can turn it off and back on again? This works for most other 
things if it isn’t working the way you want? You probably tried this already? 
We don’t have the HomePod in New Zealand so I can’t test this.


On 1/11/2019, at 11:09, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I was really looking forward to the update to 13.2 for the HomePod. And I 
finally got it after the first one was withdrawn and they introduced 13.2.1. 
Now it seems that at least half of the time, Siri is deaf. I can say hey Siri 
two or three times before I get any results at all. And she comes up with the 
wildest stupidest things that aren’t even close to what I requested, unless 
it’s something from Apple Music. It’s crazy.


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Re: Reformating iMac and Installing Catalina

[Angus MacKinnon]

Simon

Thank you. 
Is it CMD+R or Shift+CMD+R? And I shotdown the iMac and Cold Boot with the SD 
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Re: iTunes Store and Touch ID

[Petrus Tuerlings]

It only happened after 13.2, it was fine with all of the other iOS 13 updates .

> On 1/11/2019, at 12:28, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I have heard of people having this problem. I have not had it. But I have 
> been using either Face ID or touch ID, depending on the phone. Nothing seems 
> to of changed with the update to iOS 13.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2019, at 3:55 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
>> 
>> I was wondering if this was normal behaviour with Touch ID on the iPhone 
>> and the iTunes Store? After updating to 13.2 I wanted to purchase a couple 
>> of albums in the iTunes Store and my Touch ID wouldn’t work. I had to go 
>> back into the phone settings and turn off touch ID for the App Store and 
>> iTunes Store and then turn it back on again in order for it to work. Can’t 
>> say that this has happened before as I’ve only started using Touch ID with 
>> iOS 13. But once I turned it off and back on it worked again.
>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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Re: iTunes Store and Touch ID

[Mary Otten]

I have heard of people having this problem. I have not had it. But I have been 
using either Face ID or touch ID, depending on the phone. Nothing seems to of 
changed with the update to iOS 13.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2019, at 3:55 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
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> I was wondering if this was normal behaviour with Touch ID on the iPhone and 
> the iTunes Store? After updating to 13.2 I wanted to purchase a couple of 
> albums in the iTunes Store and my Touch ID wouldn’t work. I had to go back 
> into the phone settings and turn off touch ID for the App Store and iTunes 
> Store and then turn it back on again in order for it to work. Can’t say that 
> this has happened before as I’ve only started using Touch ID with iOS 13. But 
> once I turned it off and back on it worked again.
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Re: Hey Siri not working well on HomePod after update

[Mary Otten]

Yes, you can turn hey Siri off and on. I have also tried holding down on the 
play button on the HomePod itself, which will activate Siri. It certainly helps 
with getting her attention, but the results are not wonderful sometimes.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
> I’m guessing one can turn it off and back on again? This works for most 
> other things if it isn’t working the way you want? You probably tried this 
> already? We don’t have the HomePod in New Zealand so I can’t test this. 
> 
>> On 1/11/2019, at 11:09, Mary Otten  wrote:
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>> I was really looking forward to the update to 13.2 for the HomePod. And I 
>> finally got it after the first one was withdrawn and they introduced 13.2.1. 
>> Now it seems that at least half of the time, Siri is deaf. I can say hey 
>> Siri two or three times before I get any results at all. And she comes up 
>> with the wildest stupidest things that aren’t even close to what I 
>> requested, unless it’s something from Apple Music. It’s crazy.
>> 
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RE: Hey Siri not working well on HomePod after update

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah Petrus I’ve asked about that myself also.

However after seeing the sonos move I’m not keen on the home pod,
The sonos is very very cool and the same size and price as the pod.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Friday, 1 November 2019 11:17 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Hey Siri not working well on HomePod after update

I’m guessing one can turn it off and back on again? This works for most other 
things if it isn’t working the way you want? You probably tried this already? 
We don’t have the HomePod in New Zealand so I can’t test this.


On 1/11/2019, at 11:09, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I was really looking forward to the update to 13.2 for the HomePod. And I 
finally got it after the first one was withdrawn and they introduced 13.2.1. 
Now it seems that at least half of the time, Siri is deaf. I can say hey Siri 
two or three times before I get any results at all. And she comes up with the 
wildest stupidest things that aren’t even close to what I requested, unless 
it’s something from Apple Music. It’s crazy.


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RE: Two factor authentication

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Petrus,

ANZ and kiwibank both use this
So a number of other nz company ys also use this type of thing so it is used a 
lot here.

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Subject: Re: Two factor authentication

Ah, thanks. I’ve not come across this yet, but then I haven’t got a Facebook 
account or  Twitter or anything like that. I do have WhatsApp on my phone and 
even. Find that annoying. Suppose you could call me an anti social media person.


On 1/11/2019, at 07:55, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Two-Step Verification (2SV) is used by many sites like Google, FaceBook, Adobe 
and others whereby a six digit SMS message is sent to you that you need to 
enter.  It is very similar, but has some distinct differences.  Specifically, 
you need to have a mobile number where the 2SV code can be sent.  Google does 
have ways around this with Google Prompt, but most others do not.  There are a 
number of people, especially in Europe and parts of Asia who primarily use 
services where they do not have a specific phone number that is a part of the 
regular exchange system, so 2SV is sometimes a hurdle.  It is more secure than 
going without using any of these methods, but I find 2FA easier and less of an 
annoyance.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 31, 2019, at 12:43, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I agree, 2 fa is easy and you don’t really need to deal with it that often, the 
worst thing about it is spelling it. So what is two step verification?


On 1/11/2019, at 02:32, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

I find that 2FA is very easy to deal with.  You set it up once, and unless 
you're adding new devices, or accessing your Apple ID on numerous devices other 
than your own, it never asks for codes again.  2FA is different than Two-Step 
Verification which is more annoying.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 30, 2019, at 23:04, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Yeah I just set up a new iPad mini and when asked for that I said no as it 
annoys me rather than helps me.



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2019 2:51 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Two factor authentication

I think it is still up to you whether you want to use it or not. i set mine up 
before I upgraded.
Sent from Petrus's iPhone



On 31/10/2019, at 14:31, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

So is 2 factor auth now required with Catalina
Or is it still up to the user if they wish to use it?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2019 2:17 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Two factor authentication

Well I did get a similar message to that, I got a notification to finish 
setting up two factor authentication on my Mac and I had to enter the Apple ID 
pass word again and then enter the security code that appeared on my iPhone.




On 27/10/2019, at 14:22, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> 
wrote:

Hello Petrus,

You ask a very good question the answer to which is, no.

Two-factor authentication is an account modification so once done, on any 
device, it is done for all devices.

>From now on, when you login to your account, you will be required to enter a 
>security code.

Sometimes after setting up 2-factor, you will receive a message on your Mac 
that you need to login to your account in order to take advantage of all 
features.

Should this happen, just login and if you are already logged-in, then log-out 
and then log back in.

Mark

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 5:55 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Two factor authentication

Hi all,
I have a silly question. I just set up two factor authentication on my iPhone, 
I no I was a bit naughty leaving it this late. But do I need to do it on my Mac 
as well?
Thanks in advance,
Petrus
Sent from Petrus' MacBook

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RE: Catalina upgrade

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah if it is 2Degrees that the problems being caused by.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Friday, 1 November 2019 9:21 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Catalina upgrade

Well I’m going to upgrade my wife’s Mac tomorrow so if it happens again I’ll 
get in touch with 2 degrees.


On 31/10/2019, at 14:32, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Yeah common but you might want to check that and if needed tell your ISP of the 
disconnection.

I did download the installer a couple of weeks ago so I have the first release 
on a USB Flash drive.

From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2019 2:28 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Catalina upgrade

Well so far it seems okay. It took about an hour  although I had to give it two 
shots as I lost the internet connection half way through the download the first 
time round.



On 31/10/2019, at 14:21, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:



I hope it’s good, can’t go back!

I’m waiting on my 11”  mac book air to be repaired and I’ll install it on that 
for a trial period before going crazy on my mac book pro.

From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.commailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>On
 Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2019 12:55 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Airpods pro

Agreed.
I just upgraded my Mac too Catalina, so far so good.




On 31/10/2019, at 12:48, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Yeah Bose are great,

I’ve got a pair and never use them.

My airpods S2 and power beats pro work great and therefore no need to spend 
more on something that isn’t going to work any different.



From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.commailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2019 12:06 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Airpods pro

Nope, not that I’m interested anyway.  Love my Bose headphones and I don’t like 
anything in my ear.





On 31/10/2019, at 11:50, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

But will she be getting you a set of these?

Yeah I’m kind of getting p’d that apple price us out of the market for things 
like these,


With the apple care Plus warranty these pods pro go up to 500

Which would get me 2 sets of normal airpods
Or god knows how many sets of other Bluetooth earpod type headphones.

A friend got 2 pair of bt Blueant earpod type headphones for $110
And they seem pretty good for what they are.


From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.commailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>On
 Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2019 8:24 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Airpods pro

My wife totally agreed with you ,  and she doesn’t think she will be getting 
these.






On 30/10/2019, at 20:02, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

I’ve just been reading up on these new airpods and I’m slightly confused.

They have the silicon tip on the ear peace so they must be narrower at that 
point than the Series 1 & 2 airpods,

So what is holding them in your ears when listening to them or moving around?

Is it just the silicon ear peace into the ear canal!

And the transparency mode is enabled by pressing a button on the side of the 
airpods arm,

So if they can put that switch there, why can’t they put volume controls on 
them?

And again the wireless charging case,
How does a blind person know when it’s actually charging if its on a qi 
charging pad?

An LED is great but what about a tone / noise that lets us know!


Otherwise if they are as good if not better than the bose quiet comfort 
headphones then I might think about buying a set,
But only if they come with a personal airpod fitting assistant!

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iTunes Store and Touch ID

[Petrus Tuerlings]

I was wondering if this was normal behaviour with Touch ID on the iPhone and 
the iTunes Store? After updating to 13.2 I wanted to purchase a couple of 
albums in the iTunes Store and my Touch ID wouldn’t work. I had to go back into 
the phone settings and turn off touch ID for the App Store and iTunes Store and 
then turn it back on again in order for it to work. Can’t say that this has 
happened before as I’ve only started using Touch ID with iOS 13. But once I 
turned it off and back on it worked again.
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Display brightens itself after Macbook wakes from sleep

[Ibraheem Fakir]

Hey list,

An observation I’ve made with my new MacBook Air and Catalina. Every time my 
screen locks after a period of idleness or I put my computer to sleep and I 
return to unlock my screen or awaken my computer, the screen returns to a 
setting of full brightness. I always keep my screen’s brightness at 0%. I do 
not turn on the screen curtain feature as I never had to with my previous 
machine. I simply kept my display’s brightness at 0% all the time so didn’t 
really see the point for screen curtain.

Do I have to use screen curtain now so that my computer screen remains turned 
off when waking my computer up from sleep? Is there a fix to keep the 
brightness set to 0% and not to restore when unlocking my screen?

Thanks so much!

All best,
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Re: Hey Siri not working well on HomePod after update

[Mary Otten]


Yes, I suppose one can do that. It’s just really started acting up today. 
Yesterday it seemed OK. I think I would actually like to reset the HomePod. But 
after the trouble people had with the update, I really don’t want to go there, 
even though they say everything is fixed. When my phone is recharged, I will 
try turning Siri hey Siri often on and maybe that will help.
I am wondering if anybody else is having this problem.
 

Sent from my iPhone

>> On Oct 31, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> I’m guessing one can turn it off and back on again? This works for most 
> other things if it isn’t working the way you want? You probably tried this 
> already? We don’t have the HomePod in New Zealand so I can’t test this. 
> 
>> On 1/11/2019, at 11:09, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I was really looking forward to the update to 13.2 for the HomePod. And I 
>> finally got it after the first one was withdrawn and they introduced 13.2.1. 
>> Now it seems that at least half of the time, Siri is deaf. I can say hey 
>> Siri two or three times before I get any results at all. And she comes up 
>> with the wildest stupidest things that aren’t even close to what I 
>> requested, unless it’s something from Apple Music. It’s crazy.
>> 
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Re: Hey Siri not working well on HomePod after update

[Petrus Tuerlings]

I’m guessing one can turn it off and back on again? This works for most other 
things if it isn’t working the way you want? You probably tried this already? 
We don’t have the HomePod in New Zealand so I can’t test this. 

> On 1/11/2019, at 11:09, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I was really looking forward to the update to 13.2 for the HomePod. And I 
> finally got it after the first one was withdrawn and they introduced 13.2.1. 
> Now it seems that at least half of the time, Siri is deaf. I can say hey Siri 
> two or three times before I get any results at all. And she comes up with the 
> wildest stupidest things that aren’t even close to what I requested, unless 
> it’s something from Apple Music. It’s crazy.
> 
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Hey Siri not working well on HomePod after update

[Mary Otten]

I was really looking forward to the update to 13.2 for the HomePod. And I 
finally got it after the first one was withdrawn and they introduced 13.2.1. 
Now it seems that at least half of the time, Siri is deaf. I can say hey Siri 
two or three times before I get any results at all. And she comes up with the 
wildest stupidest things that aren’t even close to what I requested, unless 
it’s something from Apple Music. It’s crazy.


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Re: Catalina upgrade

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Well I’m going to upgrade my wife’s Mac tomorrow so if it happens again I’ll 
get in touch with 2 degrees. 

> On 31/10/2019, at 14:32, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Yeah common but you might want to check that and if needed tell your ISP of 
> the disconnection.
>  
> I did download the installer a couple of weeks ago so I have the first 
> release on a USB Flash drive.
>  
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On 
> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2019 2:28 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Catalina upgrade
>  
> Well so far it seems okay. It took about an hour  although I had to give it 
> two shots as I lost the internet connection half way through the download the 
> first time round. 
> 
> 
> On 31/10/2019, at 14:21, Simon A Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
>  
>  
> I hope it’s good, can’t go back!
>  
> I’m waiting on my 11”  mac book air to be repaired and I’ll install it on 
> that for a trial period before going crazy on my mac book pro.
>  
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  >On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2019 12:55 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Airpods pro
>  
> Agreed.
> I just upgraded my Mac too Catalina, so far so good.  
> 
> 
> 
> On 31/10/2019, at 12:48, Simon A Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> Yeah Bose are great,
>  
> I’ve got a pair and never use them.
>  
> My airpods S2 and power beats pro work great and therefore no need to spend 
> more on something that isn’t going to work any different.
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  > On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2019 12:06 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Airpods pro
>  
> Nope, not that I’m interested anyway.  Love my Bose headphones and I don’t 
> like anything in my ear. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 31/10/2019, at 11:50, Simon A Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> But will she be getting you a set of these?
>  
> Yeah I’m kind of getting p’d that apple price us out of the market for things 
> like these,
>  
>  
> With the apple care Plus warranty these pods pro go up to 500
>  
> Which would get me 2 sets of normal airpods
> Or god knows how many sets of other Bluetooth earpod type headphones.
>  
> A friend got 2 pair of bt Blueant earpod type headphones for $110
> And they seem pretty good for what they are.
>  
>  
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  >On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2019 8:24 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Airpods pro
>  
> My wife totally agreed with you ,  and she doesn’t think she will be getting 
> these.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 30/10/2019, at 20:02, Simon A Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> I’ve just been reading up on these new airpods and I’m slightly confused.
>  
> They have the silicon tip on the ear peace so they must be narrower at that 
> point than the Series 1 & 2 airpods,
>  
> So what is holding them in your ears when listening to them or moving around?
>  
> Is it just the silicon ear peace into the ear canal!
>  
> And the transparency mode is enabled by pressing a button on the side of the 
> airpods arm,
>  
> So if they can put that switch there, why can’t they put volume controls on 
> them?
>  
> And again the wireless charging case,
> How does a blind person know when it’s actually charging if its on a qi 
> charging pad?
>  
> An LED is great but what about a tone / noise that lets us know!
>  
>  
> Otherwise if they are as good if not better than the bose quiet comfort 
> headphones then I might think about buying a set,
> But only if they come with a personal airpod fitting assistant!
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Re: Two factor authentication

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Ah, thanks. I’ve not come across this yet, but then I haven’t got a Facebook 
account or  Twitter or anything like that. I do have WhatsApp on my phone and 
even. Find that annoying. Suppose you could call me an anti social media 
person.  

> On 1/11/2019, at 07:55, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Two-Step Verification (2SV) is used by many sites like Google, FaceBook, 
> Adobe and others whereby a six digit SMS message is sent to you that you need 
> to enter.  It is very similar, but has some distinct differences.  
> Specifically, you need to have a mobile number where the 2SV code can be 
> sent.  Google does have ways around this with Google Prompt, but most others 
> do not.  There are a number of people, especially in Europe and parts of Asia 
> who primarily use services where they do not have a specific phone number 
> that is a part of the regular exchange system, so 2SV is sometimes a hurdle.  
> It is more secure than going without using any of these methods, but I find 
> 2FA easier and less of an annoyance.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 31, 2019, at 12:43, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> 
> I agree, 2 fa is easy and you don’t really need to deal with it that often, 
> the worst thing about it is spelling it. So what is two step verification? 
> 
>> On 1/11/2019, at 02:32, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I find that 2FA is very easy to deal with.  You set it up once, and unless 
>> you're adding new devices, or accessing your Apple ID on numerous devices 
>> other than your own, it never asks for codes again.  2FA is different than 
>> Two-Step Verification which is more annoying.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Jamf Certified Associate
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 30, 2019, at 23:04, Simon A Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah I just set up a new iPad mini and when asked for that I said no as it 
>> annoys me rather than helps me.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  > > On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
>> Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2019 2:51 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Two factor authentication
>>  
>> I think it is still up to you whether you want to use it or not. i set mine 
>> up before I upgraded.
>> 
>> Sent from Petrus's iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On 31/10/2019, at 14:31, Simon A Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> So is 2 factor auth now required with Catalina
>> Or is it still up to the user if they wish to use it?
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  > > On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
>> Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2019 2:17 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Two factor authentication
>>  
>> Well I did get a similar message to that, I got a notification to finish 
>> setting up two factor authentication on my Mac and I had to enter the Apple 
>> ID pass word again and then enter the security code that appeared on my 
>> iPhone. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 27/10/2019, at 14:22, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> 
>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hello Petrus,
>> 
>> You ask a very good question the answer to which is, no.  
>> 
>> Two-factor authentication is an account modification so once done, on any 
>> device, it is done for all devices.
>> 
>> From now on, when you login to your account, you will be required to enter a 
>> security code.
>> 
>> Sometimes after setting up 2-factor, you will receive a message on your Mac 
>> that you need to login to your account in order to take advantage of all 
>> features.
>> 
>> Should this happen, just login and if you are already logged-in, then 
>> log-out and then log back in.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
>> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 5:55 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Two factor authentication
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I have a silly question. I just set up two factor authentication on my 
>> iPhone, I no I was a bit naughty leaving it this late. But do I need to do 
>> it on my Mac as well?
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Petrus 
>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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Re: Two factor authentication

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Two-Step Verification (2SV) is used by many sites like Google, FaceBook, Adobe 
and others whereby a six digit SMS message is sent to you that you need to 
enter.  It is very similar, but has some distinct differences.  Specifically, 
you need to have a mobile number where the 2SV code can be sent.  Google does 
have ways around this with Google Prompt, but most others do not.  There are a 
number of people, especially in Europe and parts of Asia who primarily use 
services where they do not have a specific phone number that is a part of the 
regular exchange system, so 2SV is sometimes a hurdle.  It is more secure than 
going without using any of these methods, but I find 2FA easier and less of an 
annoyance.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 31, 2019, at 12:43, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:

I agree, 2 fa is easy and you don’t really need to deal with it that often, the 
worst thing about it is spelling it. So what is two step verification? 

> On 1/11/2019, at 02:32, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I find that 2FA is very easy to deal with.  You set it up once, and unless 
> you're adding new devices, or accessing your Apple ID on numerous devices 
> other than your own, it never asks for codes again.  2FA is different than 
> Two-Step Verification which is more annoying.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 30, 2019, at 23:04, Simon A Fogarty  > wrote:
> 
> Yeah I just set up a new iPad mini and when asked for that I said no as it 
> annoys me rather than helps me.
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2019 2:51 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Two factor authentication
>  
> I think it is still up to you whether you want to use it or not. i set mine 
> up before I upgraded.
> 
> Sent from Petrus's iPhone
> 
> 
> On 31/10/2019, at 14:31, Simon A Fogarty  > wrote:
> 
>  
> So is 2 factor auth now required with Catalina
> Or is it still up to the user if they wish to use it?
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2019 2:17 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Two factor authentication
>  
> Well I did get a similar message to that, I got a notification to finish 
> setting up two factor authentication on my Mac and I had to enter the Apple 
> ID pass word again and then enter the security code that appeared on my 
> iPhone. 
> 
> 
> 
> On 27/10/2019, at 14:22, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Hello Petrus,
> 
> You ask a very good question the answer to which is, no.  
> 
> Two-factor authentication is an account modification so once done, on any 
> device, it is done for all devices.
> 
> From now on, when you login to your account, you will be required to enter a 
> security code.
> 
> Sometimes after setting up 2-factor, you will receive a message on your Mac 
> that you need to login to your account in order to take advantage of all 
> features.
> 
> Should this happen, just login and if you are already logged-in, then log-out 
> and then log back in.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 5:55 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Two factor authentication
> 
> Hi all,
> I have a silly question. I just set up two factor authentication on my 
> iPhone, I no I was a bit naughty leaving it this late. But do I need to do it 
> on my Mac as well?
> Thanks in advance,
> Petrus 
> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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Re: Two factor authentication

[Petrus Tuerlings]

I agree, 2 fa is easy and you don’t really need to deal with it that often, the 
worst thing about it is spelling it. So what is two step verification? 

> On 1/11/2019, at 02:32, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I find that 2FA is very easy to deal with.  You set it up once, and unless 
> you're adding new devices, or accessing your Apple ID on numerous devices 
> other than your own, it never asks for codes again.  2FA is different than 
> Two-Step Verification which is more annoying.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 30, 2019, at 23:04, Simon A Fogarty  > wrote:
> 
> Yeah I just set up a new iPad mini and when asked for that I said no as it 
> annoys me rather than helps me.
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2019 2:51 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Two factor authentication
>  
> I think it is still up to you whether you want to use it or not. i set mine 
> up before I upgraded.
> 
> Sent from Petrus's iPhone
> 
> 
> On 31/10/2019, at 14:31, Simon A Fogarty  > wrote:
> 
>  
> So is 2 factor auth now required with Catalina
> Or is it still up to the user if they wish to use it?
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2019 2:17 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Two factor authentication
>  
> Well I did get a similar message to that, I got a notification to finish 
> setting up two factor authentication on my Mac and I had to enter the Apple 
> ID pass word again and then enter the security code that appeared on my 
> iPhone. 
> 
> 
> 
> On 27/10/2019, at 14:22, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Hello Petrus,
> 
> You ask a very good question the answer to which is, no.  
> 
> Two-factor authentication is an account modification so once done, on any 
> device, it is done for all devices.
> 
> From now on, when you login to your account, you will be required to enter a 
> security code.
> 
> Sometimes after setting up 2-factor, you will receive a message on your Mac 
> that you need to login to your account in order to take advantage of all 
> features.
> 
> Should this happen, just login and if you are already logged-in, then log-out 
> and then log back in.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 5:55 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Two factor authentication
> 
> Hi all,
> I have a silly question. I just set up two factor authentication on my 
> iPhone, I no I was a bit naughty leaving it this late. But do I need to do it 
> on my Mac as well?
> Thanks in advance,
> Petrus 
> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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Re: Two factor authentication

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I find that 2FA is very easy to deal with.  You set it up once, and unless 
you're adding new devices, or accessing your Apple ID on numerous devices other 
than your own, it never asks for codes again.  2FA is different than Two-Step 
Verification which is more annoying.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 30, 2019, at 23:04, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:

Yeah I just set up a new iPad mini and when asked for that I said no as it 
annoys me rather than helps me.
 
 
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2019 2:51 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Two factor authentication
 
I think it is still up to you whether you want to use it or not. i set mine up 
before I upgraded.

Sent from Petrus's iPhone


On 31/10/2019, at 14:31, Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

 
So is 2 factor auth now required with Catalina
Or is it still up to the user if they wish to use it?
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2019 2:17 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Two factor authentication
 
Well I did get a similar message to that, I got a notification to finish 
setting up two factor authentication on my Mac and I had to enter the Apple ID 
pass word again and then enter the security code that appeared on my iPhone. 



On 27/10/2019, at 14:22, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> 
wrote:
 
Hello Petrus,

You ask a very good question the answer to which is, no.  

Two-factor authentication is an account modification so once done, on any 
device, it is done for all devices.

>From now on, when you login to your account, you will be required to enter a 
>security code.

Sometimes after setting up 2-factor, you will receive a message on your Mac 
that you need to login to your account in order to take advantage of all 
features.

Should this happen, just login and if you are already logged-in, then log-out 
and then log back in.

Mark

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
] On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 5:55 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Two factor authentication

Hi all,
I have a silly question. I just set up two factor authentication on my iPhone, 
I no I was a bit naughty leaving it this late. But do I need to do it on my Mac 
as well?
Thanks in advance,
Petrus 
Sent from Petrus' MacBook 

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Re: Reformating iMac and Installing Catalina

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

There is no real need to do a reformat if you are going to use Time Machine to 
bring apps and data back to your iMac.  This process is redundant.  The 
benefits of a reformat are seen because you create a clean install of the MacOS 
and bring back apps and data via the App Store and other locations.  The 
reformat then restore from Time Machine ensures that everything is brought back 
from the backup including settings.  When doing this, you defeat the purpose of 
the clean install.  With your explanation of what you hope to do, I suggest you 
simply install Catalina over your existing MacOS.  You will not see any 
benefits from the reformat/install process you're asking about.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 30, 2019, at 23:03, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Angus,
 
Irstly yes terminal can be used to format your iMac.
 
As for keeping your data,
 
Only way to do that is to make sure your data on your iMac is backed up to your 
time machine device
 
However the terminal commands for formatting the drive in your imac is not easy 
to do if you don’t know the terminal commands,
I’ve done it but I wouldn’t want to tell you how to do it mainly due to I’ve 
only done it a couple of times
 
I’d suggest just insert your sd card with the Catalina installer on it and boot 
the iMac to that start up disk and run disk utilities then format the drive via 
the disk utilities gui interface.
 
That way you will be able to use voiceover from start to finish with no reall 
neecd for sighted assistance.
 
Hope that helps.
 
Simon F
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Angus MacKinnon
Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2019 3:05 PM
To: MacVisionaries 
Subject: Reformating iMac and Installing Catalina
 
 
I have a 2013iMac with a 1.1TB Fusion Drive. I also have a Bootable Catalina SD 
Card. I thought to do a reformat of my 2013 iMac’s HD before installing 
Catalina. My iMac also backups to Time Machine and BackBlaze. Can Terminal be 
used to reformat my 2013 iMac and Install Catalina? And how do I keep all data 
and programs? I do not feel up to reinstalling everything. I also am a 
VoiceOver user. Thank you.

Angus MacKinnon, Personalism Student
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Re: Drag and drop on the Mac?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

It depends on which Drag & Drop method you're using.  The VO-comma can begin to 
drag an item and VO-period will drop that item.  There are limitations to this 
method as once the item being dragged is out of the VO visible area, the drag 
will fail.  The second method is a little more finger intensive and can be used 
in more diverse situations.  The key combination is a toggle, so the first 
depress of VO-shift-cmd-space starts the mouse-down action of the drag and the 
same combination ends the process with the mouse-up action.  Even with cursors 
following each other, it's advisable to route the mouse to the VO cursor before 
both the mouse-down and the mouse-up actions with VO-cmd-f5.  This ensures that 
you pick up, drag and drop the desired item.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 30, 2019, at 17:10, KliphnShari Miller  wrote:

Ok, thought I knew how to do this, but when dragging files, I go to drop, and 
it says drag canceled, what is the right way to do this? Running latest build 
of Catalina

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