Re: commands with braille display and mac?

[Maria Chapman]

Hi.

tried that before i asked the question. for some reason, doing the key 
combination for command and w doesn’t give the correct results.

Maria


> On 11 Dec 2019, at 5:31 am, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Did you find this list of braille commands yet? No need to assign these 
> basic commands. In the case of command-w, it is a 2 step process. Space dots 
> 1-7 for Command, then dots 2-4-5-6 for the letter w.
> 
> 
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 12/9/2019 10:21 PM, Maria Chapman wrote:
>> Hi list.
>> I have just started using a   Polaris note taker as a braille display with 
>> my mac.
>> I have a couple of questions.
>> The key combination  command   plus   W doesn’t seem to work.
>> is there  any way to assign this combination in voice over utility?
>> If not, when  I press enter to open a message, in mail, is there an easy way 
>>  to get back to the message list  without using the keyboard?
>>  I normally use vo j but don’t know how to recreate this combination with 
>> the display either.
>> thanks for any help in advance.
>> Maria
>>  
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Re: commands with braille display and mac?

[Maria Chapman]

HI.

thanks loads. i will have a play and see how i go.

maria


> On 11 Dec 2019, at 6:37 am, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> There is also a “close window” function within VoiceOver, so you  could 
> assign your own shortcut to that function. VO-J is the VoiceOver command: 
> Goto linked item.
> 
> The close window is in the General category of commands, and the “Go To 
> Linked Item” is in the Navigation section. 
> To assign commands, open the VoiceOver utility and move to the Braille 
> section. open the displays tab, select your display and then click on assign 
> commands button. This will open a dialog with a table of Braille commands as 
> currently configured and allow you to re-assign commands, or add additional 
> assignments.
> Jonathan
> 
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2019, at 1:31 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  Did you find this list of braille commands yet? No need to assign these 
>> basic commands. In the case of command-w, it is a 2 step process. Space dots 
>> 1-7 for Command, then dots 2-4-5-6 for the letter w.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 12/9/2019 10:21 PM, Maria Chapman wrote:
>>> Hi list.
>>> I have just started using a   Polaris note taker as a braille display with 
>>> my mac.
>>> I have a couple of questions.
>>> The key combination  command   plus   W doesn’t seem to work.
>>> is there  any way to assign this combination in voice over utility?
>>> If not, when  I press enter to open a message, in mail, is there an easy 
>>> way  to get back to the message list  without using the keyboard?
>>> I normally use vo j but don’t know how to recreate this combination with 
>>> the display either.
>>> thanks for any help in advance.
>>> Maria
>>> 
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RE: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — MacRumors

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah,
 Mind you I could do damage to different things with the amount of cash needed 
to purchase these pros here in NZ.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of lenron brown
Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 12:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — 
MacRumors

For music recording no way this thing is needed, yes yes I know some can 
justify it some how but lets be real. You can get some real work done with the 
setup you just mentioned. Even a mac book pro would work.

On 12/13/19, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> But really Chuck,
> Even for a music studio
> Is the mac pro (New) really needed?
>
> Couldn’t you do the same thing with a Mac Mini setup as a server and 
> then an iMac pro to work on your recordings from
>
> Even if you’ve been saving for a while you could get more from 
> multiple devices surely?
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
> Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 11:41 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor 
> — MacRumors
>
> Hi guys,
> Not pocket change! LOL
>
> Its a big chunk!
> & has taken the faith of a mustard seed to get here!
> I've been planning this move since the rumors started about the mac 
> pro 2 years ago.
> For Avid Pro tools it can't be beat! :) Like I said the economy here 
> in the USA is "roaring" & looks like it will continue for the  next 5 
> years!
>
> and it will pay for its self!
> Talk soon
> Chuck
>
> On Dec 13, 2019, at 5:19 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
>
>
> Ok, well mr rich Canadian,
>
> How about passing on some of that wealth to your poor commonwealth cousins!
>
> Both  petrus and I could do with more financial assistance,
>
> I’m unemployed and petrus lives in Auckland,
>
>
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.co
> m>>
> Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 6:22 AM
> To: 
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >
> Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor 
> — MacRumors
>
> Pocket change :).
>
>
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Dec 12, 2019, at 20:38, Petrus Tuerlings 
> mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I wasn’t even going to look, I don’t want to mortgage my house just 
> for a computer.
> Sent from Petrus's iPhone
>
>
>
> On 13/12/2019, at 16:04, Simon A Fogarty 
> mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  Petrus did you look at the nz pricing for these devices.
>
> The baseic model isjust under $11,000.00
>
> & the fully spec’d model is $90,300.00 without software.
> And thats the tower not the rack model.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On 13/12/2019, at 11:39 AM, Petrus Tuerlings
> mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  Wow, that Mac Pro is a bit of a beast and I certainly wouldn’t be hanging
> out to own one of those. But it was interesting never the less.
>
>
>
> On 13/12/2019, at 11:13, Simon A Fogarty
> mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi List,
>
> I thought some might like to read this
>
> Interesting information coming out about new rumoured products.
> [logo.png]
> Brought to you by: [sponsor_logo.png]
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> New Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR Now Available to
> Order
> After over two years of waiting, Apple is now accepting orders for its
> all-new Mac
> Pro,
> with pricing starting at $5,999 in the United States. With an impressive
> selection of upgrade
> options
> and optional $400
> wheels,
> a fully maxed out Mac Pro runs over
> $52,000.
>
> Apple says a rack-mounted version of the
> computer
> is also "coming soon," with pricing starting at $6,499.
>
> The new Mac Pro is complemented by the Pro Display XDR, which is also now
> available to
> 

Re: Modifier Keys Speaking

[Dave Carlson]

Look in Voiceober Settings, Verbosity. Then open the Announcements tab and see 
if the “announce modifier keys” is checked.


Dave Carlson
Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian




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Modifier Keys Speaking

[Dulce Muccio Weisenborn]

Hi, All,I have somehow managed to make all my modifier keys announce themselves, which makes it difficult to hear what they are actually doing.   For example, tab says tab, command says commandd, down arrow says down.   Please help me restore my sanity.Dulce



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Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

[Dave Carlson]

Tim,
Thanks! That did it. I think there are a couple other web sites with this quirk 
that I’ll try now, that it’s disconnected.


Dave Carlson
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RE: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

[Simon A Fogarty]

I took it that was the way amazon wanted their site to be.

 Even their accessibility features still give the pages on their site 
truckloads of extra bloatware crap.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Eric Oyen
Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 11:52 AM
To: [MacVisionaries] 
Subject: Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

This happens to me as well. It’s been an ongoing issue with amazon for at least 
3 years. A few other blind people have even made screen capture videos on 
YouTube (among other platforms) and amazon doesn’t appear to be responsive.

Still, if enough people send mail to the Amazon CEO via email ( j...@amazon.com 
) then attention might get paid to the problem.

-Eric


> On Dec 13, 2019, at 10:52 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Okay, frustrated enough to ask for help.
> 
> I use amazon.com (and this happens with m.amazon.com, also) to shop for 
> stuff. I do a search for an item, find a list of suggestions.
> I click on a suggestion.
> I tab or use single-letter nav to jump to headings to try and find a 
> description of the item.
> Invariably I get sucked into a page or sub-page or window where all I can get 
> are the rating percentages and a close button.
> I click on the close button and the same darn stuff pops up again.
> 
> I get dragged into this swamp even if I try to navigate with VO+right/left 
> arrows. Once I get stuck, I can’t get out. I feel like Brer Rabbit and the 
> tar-baby in the Uncle Remus story.
> 
> Help, I’m stuck and can’t get out.
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — MacRumors

[lenron brown]

For music recording no way this thing is needed, yes yes I know some
can justify it some how but lets be real. You can get some real work
done with the setup you just mentioned. Even a mac book pro would
work.

On 12/13/19, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> But really Chuck,
> Even for a music studio
> Is the mac pro (New) really needed?
>
> Couldn’t you do the same thing with a Mac Mini setup as a server and then an
> iMac pro to work on your recordings from
>
> Even if you’ve been saving for a while you could get more from multiple
> devices surely?
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
> Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
> Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 11:41 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor —
> MacRumors
>
> Hi guys,
> Not pocket change! LOL
>
> Its a big chunk!
> & has taken the faith of a mustard seed to get here!
> I've been planning this move since the rumors started about the mac pro 2
> years ago.
> For Avid Pro tools it can't be beat! :)
> Like I said the economy here in the USA is "roaring" & looks like it will
> continue for the  next 5 years!
>
> and it will pay for its self!
> Talk soon
> Chuck
>
> On Dec 13, 2019, at 5:19 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
>
>
> Ok, well mr rich Canadian,
>
> How about passing on some of that wealth to your poor commonwealth cousins!
>
> Both  petrus and I could do with more financial assistance,
>
> I’m unemployed and petrus lives in Auckland,
>
>
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
> Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 6:22 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor —
> MacRumors
>
> Pocket change :).
>
>
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Dec 12, 2019, at 20:38, Petrus Tuerlings
> mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I wasn’t even going to look, I don’t want to mortgage my house just for a
> computer.
> Sent from Petrus's iPhone
>
>
>
> On 13/12/2019, at 16:04, Simon A Fogarty
> mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  Petrus did you look at the nz pricing for these devices.
>
> The baseic model isjust under $11,000.00
>
> & the fully spec’d model is $90,300.00
> without software.
> And thats the tower not the rack model.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On 13/12/2019, at 11:39 AM, Petrus Tuerlings
> mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  Wow, that Mac Pro is a bit of a beast and I certainly wouldn’t be hanging
> out to own one of those. But it was interesting never the less.
>
>
>
> On 13/12/2019, at 11:13, Simon A Fogarty
> mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi List,
>
> I thought some might like to read this
>
> Interesting information coming out about new rumoured products.
> [logo.png]
> Brought to you by: [sponsor_logo.png]
> 
> [https://gallery.mailchimp.com/7d0106b433773bd0aef5828e0/images/7cf20ac2-fcaf-496c-a9aa-f497087b4509.jpg]
> New Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR Now Available to
> Order
> After over two years of waiting, Apple is now accepting orders for its
> all-new Mac
> Pro,
> with pricing starting at $5,999 in the United States. With an impressive
> selection of upgrade
> options
> and optional $400
> wheels,
> a fully maxed out Mac Pro runs over
> $52,000.
>
> Apple says a rack-mounted version of the
> computer
> is also "coming soon," with pricing starting at $6,499.
>
> The new Mac Pro is complemented by the Pro Display XDR, which is also now
> available to
> order
> for $4,999. Both products are in the process of shipping to customers, with
> deliveries expected to begin early next
> week.
>
> Read Full
> Article
> Support Our 

Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

[Eric Oyen]

This happens to me as well. It’s been an ongoing issue with amazon for at least 
3 years. A few other blind people have even made screen capture videos on 
YouTube (among other platforms) and amazon doesn’t appear to be responsive.

Still, if enough people send mail to the Amazon CEO via email ( j...@amazon.com 
) then attention might get paid to the problem.

-Eric


> On Dec 13, 2019, at 10:52 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Okay, frustrated enough to ask for help.
> 
> I use amazon.com (and this happens with m.amazon.com, also) to shop for 
> stuff. I do a search for an item, find a list of suggestions.
> I click on a suggestion.
> I tab or use single-letter nav to jump to headings to try and find a 
> description of the item.
> Invariably I get sucked into a page or sub-page or window where all I can get 
> are the rating percentages and a close button.
> I click on the close button and the same darn stuff pops up again.
> 
> I get dragged into this swamp even if I try to navigate with VO+right/left 
> arrows. Once I get stuck, I can’t get out. I feel like Brer Rabbit and the 
> tar-baby in the Uncle Remus story.
> 
> Help, I’m stuck and can’t get out.
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
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RE: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — MacRumors

[Simon A Fogarty]

But really Chuck,
Even for a music studio
Is the mac pro (New) really needed?

Couldn’t you do the same thing with a Mac Mini setup as a server and then an 
iMac pro to work on your recordings from

Even if you’ve been saving for a while you could get more from multiple devices 
surely?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 11:41 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — 
MacRumors

Hi guys,
Not pocket change! LOL

Its a big chunk!
& has taken the faith of a mustard seed to get here!
I've been planning this move since the rumors started about the mac pro 2 years 
ago.
For Avid Pro tools it can't be beat! :)
Like I said the economy here in the USA is "roaring" & looks like it will 
continue for the  next 5 years!

and it will pay for its self!
Talk soon
Chuck

On Dec 13, 2019, at 5:19 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:


Ok, well mr rich Canadian,

How about passing on some of that wealth to your poor commonwealth cousins!

Both  petrus and I could do with more financial assistance,

I’m unemployed and petrus lives in Auckland,


From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 6:22 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — 
MacRumors

Pocket change :).



Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 12, 2019, at 20:38, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I wasn’t even going to look, I don’t want to mortgage my house just for a 
computer.
Sent from Petrus's iPhone



On 13/12/2019, at 16:04, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
 Petrus did you look at the nz pricing for these devices.

The baseic model isjust under $11,000.00

& the fully spec’d model is $90,300.00
without software.
And thats the tower not the rack model.
Sent from my iPhone



On 13/12/2019, at 11:39 AM, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 Wow, that Mac Pro is a bit of a beast and I certainly wouldn’t be hanging out 
to own one of those. But it was interesting never the less.



On 13/12/2019, at 11:13, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi List,

I thought some might like to read this

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 a fully maxed out Mac Pro runs over 
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RE: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — MacRumors

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Tim,

I just had a quick look at the  XDR screen pricing,

Standard glass is $9,600
Nano texture glass, $10,800

The pro stand: $1,900
VISA Mount: $380

I guess that at a stretch I might be able to purchase a set of wheels and a 
VISA mount,




From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 6:22 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — 
MacRumors

Pocket change :).



Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 12, 2019, at 20:38, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I wasn’t even going to look, I don’t want to mortgage my house just for a 
computer.
Sent from Petrus's iPhone


On 13/12/2019, at 16:04, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
 Petrus did you look at the nz pricing for these devices.

The baseic model isjust under $11,000.00

& the fully spec’d model is $90,300.00
without software.
And thats the tower not the rack model.
Sent from my iPhone


On 13/12/2019, at 11:39 AM, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 Wow, that Mac Pro is a bit of a beast and I certainly wouldn’t be hanging out 
to own one of those. But it was interesting never the less.


On 13/12/2019, at 11:13, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi List,

I thought some might like to read this

Interesting information coming out about new rumoured products.
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After over two years of waiting, Apple is now accepting orders for its all-new 
Mac 
Pro,
 with pricing starting at $5,999 in the United States. With an impressive 
selection of upgrade 
options
 and optional $400 
wheels,
 a fully maxed out Mac Pro runs over 
$52,000.

Apple says a rack-mounted version of the 
computer
 is also "coming soon," with pricing starting at $6,499.

The new Mac Pro is complemented by the Pro Display XDR, which is also now 
available to 
order
 for $4,999. Both products are in the process of shipping to customers, with 
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Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — MacRumors

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi guys,
Not pocket change! LOL

Its a big chunk!
& has taken the faith of a mustard seed to get here!
I've been planning this move since the rumors started about the mac pro 2 years 
ago.
For Avid Pro tools it can't be beat! :)
Like I said the economy here in the USA is "roaring" & looks like it will 
continue for the  next 5 years!

and it will pay for its self!
Talk soon
Chuck

On Dec 13, 2019, at 5:19 PM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:

> Ok, well mr rich Canadian,
>  
> How about passing on some of that wealth to your poor commonwealth cousins!
>  
> Both  petrus and I could do with more financial assistance,
>  
> I’m unemployed and petrus lives in Auckland,
>  
>  
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 6:22 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — 
> MacRumors
>  
> Pocket change :).
>  
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>  
> On Dec 12, 2019, at 20:38, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
>  
> I wasn’t even going to look, I don’t want to mortgage my house just for a 
> computer.
> 
> Sent from Petrus's iPhone
> 
> 
> On 13/12/2019, at 16:04, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
>  Petrus did you look at the nz pricing for these devices. 
>  
> The baseic model isjust under $11,000.00
>  
> & the fully spec’d model is $90,300.00 
> without software. 
> And thats the tower not the rack model. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On 13/12/2019, at 11:39 AM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
>  Wow, that Mac Pro is a bit of a beast and I certainly wouldn’t be hanging 
> out to own one of those. But it was interesting never the less.
> 
> 
> On 13/12/2019, at 11:13, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>  
> Hi List,
>  
> I thought some might like to read this 
>  
> Interesting information coming out about new rumoured products.
> 
> Brought to you by: 
> 
> New Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR Now Available to Order
> After over two years of waiting, Apple is now accepting orders for its 
> all-new Mac Pro, with pricing starting at $5,999 in the United States. With 
> an impressive selection of upgrade options and optional $400 wheels, a fully 
> maxed out Mac Pro runs over $52,000.
> 
> Apple says a rack-mounted version of the computer is also "coming soon," with 
> pricing starting at $6,499.
> 
> The new Mac Pro is complemented by the Pro Display XDR, which is also now 
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Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

[Lorie McCloud]

how do you enable the developer menu in Safari? 

lately I haven't even been able to use the moving by headings to get around 
those annoying popups.

Lorie

> On Dec 13, 2019, at 12:26 PM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> One work around is to enable the developer menu in Safari. Once this is done 
> you can disable javascript from within the developer menu. However once this 
> is done you will not be able to select things like color or other options for 
> items that include these. To do that you will have to turn javascript back 
> on. Another way around this is to move by headings and move to the one right 
> past the items name. You can then move up to get some of the item details. 
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On Dec 13, 2019, at 1:16 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Dave,
>> Same thing here!
>> Even with what I think is the special Amazon accessibility link!
>> Need a work around!
>> Chuck
>> "God does not play dice with the universe"
>> "Albert Einstein’
>> 
>> On Dec 13, 2019, at 12:52 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
>> 
>>> Okay, frustrated enough to ask for help.
>>> 
>>> I use amazon.com (and this happens with m.amazon.com, also) to shop for 
>>> stuff. I do a search for an item, find a list of suggestions.
>>> I click on a suggestion.
>>> I tab or use single-letter nav to jump to headings to try and find a 
>>> description of the item.
>>> Invariably I get sucked into a page or sub-page or window where all I can 
>>> get are the rating percentages and a close button.
>>> I click on the close button and the same darn stuff pops up again.
>>> 
>>> I get dragged into this swamp even if I try to navigate with VO+right/left 
>>> arrows. Once I get stuck, I can’t get out. I feel like Brer Rabbit and the 
>>> tar-baby in the Uncle Remus story.
>>> 
>>> Help, I’m stuck and can’t get out.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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RE: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — MacRumors

[Simon A Fogarty]

Ok, well mr rich Canadian,

How about passing on some of that wealth to your poor commonwealth cousins!

Both  petrus and I could do with more financial assistance,

I’m unemployed and petrus lives in Auckland,


From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 6:22 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — 
MacRumors

Pocket change :).



Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 12, 2019, at 20:38, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I wasn’t even going to look, I don’t want to mortgage my house just for a 
computer.
Sent from Petrus's iPhone


On 13/12/2019, at 16:04, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
 Petrus did you look at the nz pricing for these devices.

The baseic model isjust under $11,000.00

& the fully spec’d model is $90,300.00
without software.
And thats the tower not the rack model.
Sent from my iPhone


On 13/12/2019, at 11:39 AM, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 Wow, that Mac Pro is a bit of a beast and I certainly wouldn’t be hanging out 
to own one of those. But it was interesting never the less.


On 13/12/2019, at 11:13, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi List,

I thought some might like to read this

Interesting information coming out about new rumoured products.
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After over two years of waiting, Apple is now accepting orders for its all-new 
Mac 
Pro,
 with pricing starting at $5,999 in the United States. With an impressive 
selection of upgrade 
options
 and optional $400 
wheels,
 a fully maxed out Mac Pro runs over 
$52,000.

Apple says a rack-mounted version of the 
computer
 is also "coming soon," with pricing starting at $6,499.

The new Mac Pro is complemented by the Pro Display XDR, which is also now 
available to 
order
 for $4,999. Both products are in the process of shipping to customers, with 
deliveries expected to begin early next 
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 We have everything you need from stocking stuffers, to white elephant gifts, 
and all the way up to that big gift from jolly ol’ Santa.

Here’s what’s sparkling in our Holiday Specials.

Mac upgrades:

  *   OWC Memory Upgrade Kits
  *   OWC SSD Upgrades for Mac
Storage and docking:

  *   OWC Envoy Pro EX
  *   Akitio ThunderRAID Station
  *   OWC miniStack
Home and office:

  *   Apple HomePods with SIRI
  *   Beats Studio 2 Wireless Headphones
  *   Targus USB Wall Outlets
  *   USB Hubs
PLUS a full lineup of fully inspected and certified refurbished Macs.

Finish your shopping from the comfort of your chair and get into celebration 
mode early. Enjoy same-day shipping on some items. Limited supply, so get 
clickin’!

Happy Holidays, fellow Mac Lovers! All the best in 

RE: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — MacRumors

[Simon A Fogarty]

Actually for you folks in Auckland,
It’s a shame you couldn’t live in the computer case,
At east it’s in an affordable housing price,

So long as you didn’t need the screen for a window as I didn’t price that.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Friday, 13 December 2019 4:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — 
MacRumors

I wasn’t even going to look, I don’t want to mortgage my house just for a 
computer.
Sent from Petrus's iPhone


On 13/12/2019, at 16:04, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
 Petrus did you look at the nz pricing for these devices.

The baseic model isjust under $11,000.00

& the fully spec’d model is $90,300.00
without software.
And thats the tower not the rack model.
Sent from my iPhone


On 13/12/2019, at 11:39 AM, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 Wow, that Mac Pro is a bit of a beast and I certainly wouldn’t be hanging out 
to own one of those. But it was interesting never the less.


On 13/12/2019, at 11:13, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi List,

I thought some might like to read this

Interesting information coming out about new rumoured products.
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Order
After over two years of waiting, Apple is now accepting orders for its all-new 
Mac 
Pro,
 with pricing starting at $5,999 in the United States. With an impressive 
selection of upgrade 
options
 and optional $400 
wheels,
 a fully maxed out Mac Pro runs over 
$52,000.

Apple says a rack-mounted version of the 
computer
 is also "coming soon," with pricing starting at $6,499.

The new Mac Pro is complemented by the Pro Display XDR, which is also now 
available to 
order
 for $4,999. Both products are in the process of shipping to customers, with 
deliveries expected to begin early next 
week.

Read Full 
Article
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Ready or not, the holidays are here. Check off your gift list with great deals 
on the best tech from 
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 We have everything you need from stocking stuffers, to white elephant gifts, 
and all the way up to that big gift from jolly ol’ Santa.

Here’s what’s sparkling in our Holiday Specials.

Mac upgrades:

  *   OWC Memory Upgrade Kits
  *   OWC SSD Upgrades for Mac
Storage and docking:

  *   OWC Envoy Pro EX
  *   Akitio ThunderRAID Station
  *   OWC miniStack
Home and office:

  *   Apple HomePods with SIRI
  *   Beats Studio 2 Wireless Headphones
  *   Targus USB Wall Outlets
  *   USB Hubs
PLUS a full lineup of fully inspected and certified refurbished Macs.

Finish your shopping from the comfort of your chair and get into celebration 
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RE: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — MacRumors

[Simon A Fogarty]

Those are NZ prices yes,

 Oh and without screen or screens mounting bracket,

I'll have a look at those prices and see how much it causes me to laugh.

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booming where my pockets don't notice this so called boom. Anyways Simon the 
prices you mentioned sound insane. Almost 100K for this mac.

On 12/12/19, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> Petrus did you look at the nz pricing for these devices.
>
> The baseic model isjust under $11,000.00
>
> & the fully spec’d model is $90,300.00 without software.
> And thats the tower not the rack model.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 13/12/2019, at 11:39 AM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
>
>  Wow, that Mac Pro is a bit of a beast and I certainly wouldn’t be 
> hanging out to own one of those. But it was interesting never the less.
>
> On 13/12/2019, at 11:13, Simon A Fogarty 
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Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

As Johnathan suggested.  You can set up an Activity to have Amazon's web 
address behave in a specific manner with VO.  Using the suggestion I gave of 
having the Mouse Pointer ignore the VO Cursor instead of attempting to work 
with Java.  Amazon also has a link on their front page that reads something to 
the effect of "Amazon has updated its screen reader friendly version of our 
site.  Click on this link to access it."

Although, if you'd like to create the activity to do what I've suggested, do 
the following:

• open the VO Utility
• cmd-0, or select Activities from the categories table.
• press the Add an Activity button.
• give it a name
• stop interacting with the table and expand the "Additional Setting to 
Include" item.
• check the Navigation checkbox.
• press the "Set Navigation" button.
• make sure that the Mouse Pointer ignores the VO Cursor and close this dialog.
• navigate to the Apps & Web-sites menu item and add www.amazon.com 
.
• close everything and you should be good.

HTH.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 13, 2019, at 14:39, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

this happens to me all the time and it's really frustrating. "close" doesn't 
seem to do anything. sometimes I can go down past that stuff and slowly move up 
to read about it. I'd like to disable java script for Amazon. can somebody 
please coach me on this?

thanks.
Lorie

> On Dec 13, 2019, at 11:52 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Okay, frustrated enough to ask for help.
> 
> I use amazon.com (and this happens with m.amazon.com, also) to shop for 
> stuff. I do a search for an item, find a list of suggestions.
> I click on a suggestion.
> I tab or use single-letter nav to jump to headings to try and find a 
> description of the item.
> Invariably I get sucked into a page or sub-page or window where all I can get 
> are the rating percentages and a close button.
> I click on the close button and the same darn stuff pops up again.
> 
> I get dragged into this swamp even if I try to navigate with VO+right/left 
> arrows. Once I get stuck, I can’t get out. I feel like Brer Rabbit and the 
> tar-baby in the Uncle Remus story.
> 
> Help, I’m stuck and can’t get out.
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
> 
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Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

[Lorie McCloud]

this happens to me all the time and it's really frustrating. "close" doesn't 
seem to do anything. sometimes I can go down past that stuff and slowly move up 
to read about it. I'd like to disable java script for Amazon. can somebody 
please coach me on this?

thanks.
Lorie

> On Dec 13, 2019, at 11:52 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Okay, frustrated enough to ask for help.
> 
> I use amazon.com (and this happens with m.amazon.com, also) to shop for 
> stuff. I do a search for an item, find a list of suggestions.
> I click on a suggestion.
> I tab or use single-letter nav to jump to headings to try and find a 
> description of the item.
> Invariably I get sucked into a page or sub-page or window where all I can get 
> are the rating percentages and a close button.
> I click on the close button and the same darn stuff pops up again.
> 
> I get dragged into this swamp even if I try to navigate with VO+right/left 
> arrows. Once I get stuck, I can’t get out. I feel like Brer Rabbit and the 
> tar-baby in the Uncle Remus story.
> 
> Help, I’m stuck and can’t get out.
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
> 
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Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Jonathan,

As far as I can tell, yes.  Like you, I haven't tested it a lot, but by all 
accounts it seems to have that ability.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 13, 2019, at 11:44, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

Tim,
Can one set up a VoiceOver activity for the sites like Amazon, Slack, facebook 
where Voiceover keeping Mouse, Focus and VO cursor synchronized is a problem? I 
know one web site can  be listed in an activity, but I haven’t really 
experimented with this much. 
Jonathan


> On Dec 13, 2019, at 1:22 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yeah, Amazon is a pain that way.  I was having similar frustrations.  Kicking 
> things didn't help.  Go into VO Utility,, press cmd-4 to go directly to the 
> Navigation category, the drop-down that relates to the Mouse Pointer, set it 
> to Ignores VO Cursor.  That's not the way I prefer it, but it's what you need 
> to do on Amazon and a few other sites.  What's happening is that a new dialog 
> is popping up on hover.  Every time that the mouse pointer is sitting on that 
> spot, the hover object opens.  Changing it to Ignores fixes that.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 13, 2019, at 10:52, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
> 
> Okay, frustrated enough to ask for help.
> 
> I use amazon.com  (and this happens with m.amazon.com 
> , also) to shop for stuff. I do a search for an item, 
> find a list of suggestions.
> I click on a suggestion.
> I tab or use single-letter nav to jump to headings to try and find a 
> description of the item.
> Invariably I get sucked into a page or sub-page or window where all I can get 
> are the rating percentages and a close button.
> I click on the close button and the same darn stuff pops up again.
> 
> I get dragged into this swamp even if I try to navigate with VO+right/left 
> arrows. Once I get stuck, I can’t get out. I feel like Brer Rabbit and the 
> tar-baby in the Uncle Remus story.
> 
> Help, I’m stuck and can’t get out.
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
> 
> 
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Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

[Jonathan Cohn]

Tim,
Can one set up a VoiceOver activity for the sites like Amazon, Slack, facebook 
where Voiceover keeping Mouse, Focus and VO cursor synchronized is a problem? I 
know one web site can  be listed in an activity, but I haven’t really 
experimented with this much. 
Jonathan


> On Dec 13, 2019, at 1:22 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yeah, Amazon is a pain that way.  I was having similar frustrations.  Kicking 
> things didn't help.  Go into VO Utility,, press cmd-4 to go directly to the 
> Navigation category, the drop-down that relates to the Mouse Pointer, set it 
> to Ignores VO Cursor.  That's not the way I prefer it, but it's what you need 
> to do on Amazon and a few other sites.  What's happening is that a new dialog 
> is popping up on hover.  Every time that the mouse pointer is sitting on that 
> spot, the hover object opens.  Changing it to Ignores fixes that.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 13, 2019, at 10:52, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
> 
> Okay, frustrated enough to ask for help.
> 
> I use amazon.com  (and this happens with m.amazon.com 
> , also) to shop for stuff. I do a search for an item, 
> find a list of suggestions.
> I click on a suggestion.
> I tab or use single-letter nav to jump to headings to try and find a 
> description of the item.
> Invariably I get sucked into a page or sub-page or window where all I can get 
> are the rating percentages and a close button.
> I click on the close button and the same darn stuff pops up again.
> 
> I get dragged into this swamp even if I try to navigate with VO+right/left 
> arrows. Once I get stuck, I can’t get out. I feel like Brer Rabbit and the 
> tar-baby in the Uncle Remus story.
> 
> Help, I’m stuck and can’t get out.
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
> 
> 
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Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
One work around is to enable the developer menu in Safari. Once this is done 
you can disable javascript from within the developer menu. However once this is 
done you will not be able to select things like color or other options for 
items that include these. To do that you will have to turn javascript back on. 
Another way around this is to move by headings and move to the one right past 
the items name. You can then move up to get some of the item details. 

Greg Wocher


> On Dec 13, 2019, at 1:16 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dave,
> Same thing here!
> Even with what I think is the special Amazon accessibility link!
> Need a work around!
> Chuck
> "God does not play dice with the universe"
> "Albert Einstein’
> 
> On Dec 13, 2019, at 12:52 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
> 
>> Okay, frustrated enough to ask for help.
>> 
>> I use amazon.com (and this happens with m.amazon.com, also) to shop for 
>> stuff. I do a search for an item, find a list of suggestions.
>> I click on a suggestion.
>> I tab or use single-letter nav to jump to headings to try and find a 
>> description of the item.
>> Invariably I get sucked into a page or sub-page or window where all I can 
>> get are the rating percentages and a close button.
>> I click on the close button and the same darn stuff pops up again.
>> 
>> I get dragged into this swamp even if I try to navigate with VO+right/left 
>> arrows. Once I get stuck, I can’t get out. I feel like Brer Rabbit and the 
>> tar-baby in the Uncle Remus story.
>> 
>> Help, I’m stuck and can’t get out.
>> 
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
>> 
>> 
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Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Yeah, Amazon is a pain that way.  I was having similar frustrations.  Kicking 
things didn't help.  Go into VO Utility,, press cmd-4 to go directly to the 
Navigation category, the drop-down that relates to the Mouse Pointer, set it to 
Ignores VO Cursor.  That's not the way I prefer it, but it's what you need to 
do on Amazon and a few other sites.  What's happening is that a new dialog is 
popping up on hover.  Every time that the mouse pointer is sitting on that 
spot, the hover object opens.  Changing it to Ignores fixes that.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 13, 2019, at 10:52, Dave Carlson  wrote:

Okay, frustrated enough to ask for help.

I use amazon.com (and this happens with m.amazon.com, also) to shop for stuff. 
I do a search for an item, find a list of suggestions.
I click on a suggestion.
I tab or use single-letter nav to jump to headings to try and find a 
description of the item.
Invariably I get sucked into a page or sub-page or window where all I can get 
are the rating percentages and a close button.
I click on the close button and the same darn stuff pops up again.

I get dragged into this swamp even if I try to navigate with VO+right/left 
arrows. Once I get stuck, I can’t get out. I feel like Brer Rabbit and the 
tar-baby in the Uncle Remus story.

Help, I’m stuck and can’t get out.


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Re: Telephone number to contact Apple support

['Bill Gallik' via MacVisionaries]

To all who sent the number 877-204-3930, thank you so very much.

Got an extremely patient gentleman on the phone and I can once again receive my 
iCloud mail messages!


On Dec 13, 2019, at 11:15 AM, maurice.mines  wrote:

The phone number is 1877-204-3930 hope that this helps?

On 13 Dec 2019, at 8:37, 'Bill Gallik' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I am not able to work with my iCloud account on my Mac; however, it is working 
fine on both of my iPhones and my iPad.

When I try to call my-Apple, I get some screwy outfit called   something or 
other.

Can anybody give me the telephone number for Apple support?



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Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Dave,
Same thing here!
Even with what I think is the special Amazon accessibility link!
Need a work around!
Chuck
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On Dec 13, 2019, at 12:52 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:

> Okay, frustrated enough to ask for help.
> 
> I use amazon.com (and this happens with m.amazon.com, also) to shop for 
> stuff. I do a search for an item, find a list of suggestions.
> I click on a suggestion.
> I tab or use single-letter nav to jump to headings to try and find a 
> description of the item.
> Invariably I get sucked into a page or sub-page or window where all I can get 
> are the rating percentages and a close button.
> I click on the close button and the same darn stuff pops up again.
> 
> I get dragged into this swamp even if I try to navigate with VO+right/left 
> arrows. Once I get stuck, I can’t get out. I feel like Brer Rabbit and the 
> tar-baby in the Uncle Remus story.
> 
> Help, I’m stuck and can’t get out.
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
> 
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Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

[Dave Carlson]

Okay, frustrated enough to ask for help.

I use amazon.com (and this happens with m.amazon.com, also) to shop for stuff. 
I do a search for an item, find a list of suggestions.
I click on a suggestion.
I tab or use single-letter nav to jump to headings to try and find a 
description of the item.
Invariably I get sucked into a page or sub-page or window where all I can get 
are the rating percentages and a close button.
I click on the close button and the same darn stuff pops up again.

I get dragged into this swamp even if I try to navigate with VO+right/left 
arrows. Once I get stuck, I can’t get out. I feel like Brer Rabbit and the 
tar-baby in the Uncle Remus story.

Help, I’m stuck and can’t get out.


Dave Carlson
Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician




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Re: New Mac Pro Orders Begin, iOS 13.3 is Out, iPhone 9 Rumor — MacRumors

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Pocket change :).



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On Dec 12, 2019, at 20:38, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:

I wasn’t even going to look, I don’t want to mortgage my house just for a 
computer.

Sent from Petrus's iPhone

> On 13/12/2019, at 16:04, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 

 Petrus did you look at the nz pricing for these devices. 

The baseic model isjust under $11,000.00

& the fully spec’d model is $90,300.00 
without software. 
And thats the tower not the rack model. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 13/12/2019, at 11:39 AM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
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>  Wow, that Mac Pro is a bit of a beast and I certainly wouldn’t be hanging 
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> 
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Re: Telephone number to contact Apple support

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The phone number is 1877-204-3930 hope that this  helps?

On 13 Dec 2019, at 8:37, 'Bill Gallik' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I am not able to work with my iCloud account on my Mac; however, it is 
working fine on both of my iPhones and my iPad.


When I try to call my-Apple, I get some screwy outfit called Kix 
something or other.


Can anybody give me the telephone number for Apple support?



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Re: Telephone number to contact Apple support

[Dave Carlson]

Bill, try 877-204-3930


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Telephone number to contact Apple support

['Bill Gallik' via MacVisionaries]

I am not able to work with my iCloud account on my Mac; however, it is working 
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