Bluetooth braille using Catalina the 10 point.15.3. Please read below?

[maurice mines]

Hello, here’s the situation were variety of reasons I am down to using the 
Braille Display that is embedded in a braille note touch plots. My Mac defines 
it as a brilliant 32 display. However, when attempting to pair this my Mac 
gives me a six digit code that must be typed into my braille note touch plus 
which the code appears very quickly. I think the real problem here is the fact 
that the code comes from the computer it is not the manufacturer four digit 
code. So does any attempt to use this will not work. Has anyone tried this with 
her Mac? The manufacturer human where indicates that in theory this should 
work. Apple says there’s nothing that can be done about the long code. Who’s 
right here? Or is this display just simply on usable under Bluetooth. For the 
record USB doesn’t work either because again it classifies it as a device 
needing to be charged if it seems that at all.

Has anyone on this list experienced this? Also just for the sake of clarity, I 
posted the same message essentially to the Braille Display users list. Does 
anyone have any good suggestions. Or should I suddenly get into the market for 
a new large Braille Display and see what can be found in which agency should 
pay for the FedEx?

Sincerely Maurice Mines.

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Re: Bluetooth braille using Catalina the 10 point.15.3. Please read below?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
It should be able to  paired via bluetooth but i don’t understand the things 
you were saying about the code.
Is the code a very long code that you can’t read because it disappears
or what?
Normally you will not get a code when pairing the display.
Remember that the display is not paired via bluetooth settings.
Its paired under VoiceOver utilities.
Thanks.
/A

> 25 feb. 2020 kl. 21:17 skrev maurice mines :
> 
> Hello, here’s the situation were variety of reasons I am down to using the 
> Braille Display that is embedded in a braille note touch plots. My Mac 
> defines it as a brilliant 32 display. However, when attempting to pair this 
> my Mac gives me a six digit code that must be typed into my braille note 
> touch plus which the code appears very quickly. I think the real problem here 
> is the fact that the code comes from the computer it is not the manufacturer 
> four digit code. So does any attempt to use this will not work. Has anyone 
> tried this with her Mac? The manufacturer human where indicates that in 
> theory this should work. Apple says there’s nothing that can be done about 
> the long code. Who’s right here? Or is this display just simply on usable 
> under Bluetooth. For the record USB doesn’t work either because again it 
> classifies it as a device needing to be charged if it seems that at all.
> 
> Has anyone on this list experienced this? Also just for the sake of clarity, 
> I posted the same message essentially to the Braille Display users list. Does 
> anyone have any good suggestions. Or should I suddenly get into the market 
> for a new large Braille Display and see what can be found in which agency 
> should pay for the FedEx?
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
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Re: Bluetooth braille using Catalina the 10 point.15.3. Please read below?

[maurice mines]

 What I’m saying here, is you must enter in that six digit code exactly as it 
appears on the screen on the device within 10 to 15 seconds any longer and it 
corrupts it. There is no facility on the touch to enter that long of a code. 
This device is set up for a four digit code Apple requires a six digit code 
because it views it as a foreign device. Security in all.

Sincerely Maurice Mines.

> On Feb 25, 2020, at 12:38, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> It should be able to  paired via bluetooth but i don’t understand the things 
> you were saying about the code.
> Is the code a very long code that you can’t read because it disappears
> or what?
> Normally you will not get a code when pairing the display.
> Remember that the display is not paired via bluetooth settings.
> Its paired under VoiceOver utilities.
> Thanks.
> /A
> 
>> 25 feb. 2020 kl. 21:17 skrev maurice mines :
>> 
>> Hello, here’s the situation were variety of reasons I am down to using the 
>> Braille Display that is embedded in a braille note touch plots. My Mac 
>> defines it as a brilliant 32 display. However, when attempting to pair this 
>> my Mac gives me a six digit code that must be typed into my braille note 
>> touch plus which the code appears very quickly. I think the real problem 
>> here is the fact that the code comes from the computer it is not the 
>> manufacturer four digit code. So does any attempt to use this will not work. 
>> Has anyone tried this with her Mac? The manufacturer human where indicates 
>> that in theory this should work. Apple says there’s nothing that can be done 
>> about the long code. Who’s right here? Or is this display just simply on 
>> usable under Bluetooth. For the record USB doesn’t work either because again 
>> it classifies it as a device needing to be charged if it seems that at all.
>> 
>> Has anyone on this list experienced this? Also just for the sake of clarity, 
>> I posted the same message essentially to the Braille Display users list. 
>> Does anyone have any good suggestions. Or should I suddenly get into the 
>> market for a new large Braille Display and see what can be found in which 
>> agency should pay for the FedEx?
>> 
>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
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Re: Bluetooth braille using Catalina the 10 point.15.3. Please read below?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Still you should not pair the display from the bluetooth preferences.
Go into Vo utility and select the Braille category.
Here you have 3 tabs.
Select the braille display tab and then I think you can add a visible bluetooth 
display from here.
That’s actually what i did when pairing my Handytech or Helptech Basic Braille 
40.
Good luck.
/A

> 25 feb. 2020 kl. 21:43 skrev maurice mines :
> 
> What I’m saying here, is you must enter in that six digit code exactly as it 
> appears on the screen on the device within 10 to 15 seconds any longer and it 
> corrupts it. There is no facility on the touch to enter that long of a code. 
> This device is set up for a four digit code Apple requires a six digit code 
> because it views it as a foreign device. Security in all.
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
> 
>> On Feb 25, 2020, at 12:38, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> It should be able to  paired via bluetooth but i don’t understand the things 
>> you were saying about the code.
>> Is the code a very long code that you can’t read because it disappears
>> or what?
>> Normally you will not get a code when pairing the display.
>> Remember that the display is not paired via bluetooth settings.
>> Its paired under VoiceOver utilities.
>> Thanks.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 25 feb. 2020 kl. 21:17 skrev maurice mines :
>>> 
>>> Hello, here’s the situation were variety of reasons I am down to using the 
>>> Braille Display that is embedded in a braille note touch plots. My Mac 
>>> defines it as a brilliant 32 display. However, when attempting to pair this 
>>> my Mac gives me a six digit code that must be typed into my braille note 
>>> touch plus which the code appears very quickly. I think the real problem 
>>> here is the fact that the code comes from the computer it is not the 
>>> manufacturer four digit code. So does any attempt to use this will not 
>>> work. Has anyone tried this with her Mac? The manufacturer human where 
>>> indicates that in theory this should work. Apple says there’s nothing that 
>>> can be done about the long code. Who’s right here? Or is this display just 
>>> simply on usable under Bluetooth. For the record USB doesn’t work either 
>>> because again it classifies it as a device needing to be charged if it 
>>> seems that at all.
>>> 
>>> Has anyone on this list experienced this? Also just for the sake of 
>>> clarity, I posted the same message essentially to the Braille Display users 
>>> list. Does anyone have any good suggestions. Or should I suddenly get into 
>>> the market for a new large Braille Display and see what can be found in 
>>> which agency should pay for the FedEx?
>>> 
>>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
>>> 
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Re: Bluetooth braille using Catalina the 10 point.15.3. Please read below?

[maurice mines]

Good afternoon, unfortunately this doesn’t work. Because I go through these 
steps.

One go to the VoiceOver preferences to go into braille displays under braille. 
Three go to add new display. War interact with the list pick railing BIA 32 
311. Five click on it

A message appears that state waiting for the braille no touch plus or brilliant 
PI 3211 to accept the connection please make sure that the code on the display 
matches the code on the computer screen. There is no way that one can find that 
code in time to accept it. Because by the time I find the code many by the time 
the braille note touch plus gets the code the pairing window has already closed.

I get the message that parenting was “unsuccessful” cannot pay her with the 
brilliant BIA 3211. This is the Braille Display embedded in the braille note 
touch plus. I hope this helps?

Sincerely Maurice Mines

> On Feb 25, 2020, at 16:44, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Still you should not pair the display from the bluetooth preferences.
> Go into Vo utility and select the Braille category.
> Here you have 3 tabs.
> Select the braille display tab and then I think you can add a visible 
> bluetooth display from here.
> That’s actually what i did when pairing my Handytech or Helptech Basic 
> Braille 40.
> Good luck.
> /A
> 
>> 25 feb. 2020 kl. 21:43 skrev maurice mines :
>> 
>> What I’m saying here, is you must enter in that six digit code exactly as it 
>> appears on the screen on the device within 10 to 15 seconds any longer and 
>> it corrupts it. There is no facility on the touch to enter that long of a 
>> code. This device is set up for a four digit code Apple requires a six digit 
>> code because it views it as a foreign device. Security in all.
>> 
>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2020, at 12:38, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> It should be able to  paired via bluetooth but i don’t understand the 
>>> things you were saying about the code.
>>> Is the code a very long code that you can’t read because it disappears
>>> or what?
>>> Normally you will not get a code when pairing the display.
>>> Remember that the display is not paired via bluetooth settings.
>>> Its paired under VoiceOver utilities.
>>> Thanks.
>>> /A
>>> 
 25 feb. 2020 kl. 21:17 skrev maurice mines :
 
 Hello, here’s the situation were variety of reasons I am down to using the 
 Braille Display that is embedded in a braille note touch plots. My Mac 
 defines it as a brilliant 32 display. However, when attempting to pair 
 this my Mac gives me a six digit code that must be typed into my braille 
 note touch plus which the code appears very quickly. I think the real 
 problem here is the fact that the code comes from the computer it is not 
 the manufacturer four digit code. So does any attempt to use this will not 
 work. Has anyone tried this with her Mac? The manufacturer human where 
 indicates that in theory this should work. Apple says there’s nothing that 
 can be done about the long code. Who’s right here? Or is this display just 
 simply on usable under Bluetooth. For the record USB doesn’t work either 
 because again it classifies it as a device needing to be charged if it 
 seems that at all.
 
 Has anyone on this list experienced this? Also just for the sake of 
 clarity, I posted the same message essentially to the Braille Display 
 users list. Does anyone have any good suggestions. Or should I suddenly 
 get into the market for a new large Braille Display and see what can be 
 found in which agency should pay for the FedEx?
 
 Sincerely Maurice Mines.
 
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Re: Bluetooth braille using Catalina the 10 point.15.3. Please read below?

[Jonathan Cohn]

I answered this on the Braille Users list. The important thing here is 
understanding what to do when the notification pops up on the Braille Note. One 
has to click a routing key and then click yes and finally accept in order to 
tell the BrailleNote Touch it is OK to connect to the Mac.
Jonathan


> On Feb 25, 2020, at 3:17 PM, maurice mines  wrote:
> 
> Hello, here’s the situation were variety of reasons I am down to using the 
> Braille Display that is embedded in a braille note touch plots. My Mac 
> defines it as a brilliant 32 display. However, when attempting to pair this 
> my Mac gives me a six digit code that must be typed into my braille note 
> touch plus which the code appears very quickly. I think the real problem here 
> is the fact that the code comes from the computer it is not the manufacturer 
> four digit code. So does any attempt to use this will not work. Has anyone 
> tried this with her Mac? The manufacturer human where indicates that in 
> theory this should work. Apple says there’s nothing that can be done about 
> the long code. Who’s right here? Or is this display just simply on usable 
> under Bluetooth. For the record USB doesn’t work either because again it 
> classifies it as a device needing to be charged if it seems that at all.
> 
> Has anyone on this list experienced this? Also just for the sake of clarity, 
> I posted the same message essentially to the Braille Display users list. Does 
> anyone have any good suggestions. Or should I suddenly get into the market 
> for a new large Braille Display and see what can be found in which agency 
> should pay for the FedEx?
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
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Re: Bluetooth braille using Catalina the 10 point.15.3. Please read below?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Actually, it is just asking you to confirm that the number is the same on both 
sides.
Jonathan


> On Feb 25, 2020, at 3:43 PM, maurice mines  wrote:
> 
> What I’m saying here, is you must enter in that six digit code exactly as it 
> appears on the screen on the device within 10 to 15 seconds any longer and it 
> corrupts it. There is no facility on the touch to enter that long of a code. 
> This device is set up for a four digit code Apple requires a six digit code 
> because it views it as a foreign device. Security in all.
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
> 
>> On Feb 25, 2020, at 12:38, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> It should be able to  paired via bluetooth but i don’t understand the things 
>> you were saying about the code.
>> Is the code a very long code that you can’t read because it disappears
>> or what?
>> Normally you will not get a code when pairing the display.
>> Remember that the display is not paired via bluetooth settings.
>> Its paired under VoiceOver utilities.
>> Thanks.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 25 feb. 2020 kl. 21:17 skrev maurice mines :
>>> 
>>> Hello, here’s the situation were variety of reasons I am down to using the 
>>> Braille Display that is embedded in a braille note touch plots. My Mac 
>>> defines it as a brilliant 32 display. However, when attempting to pair this 
>>> my Mac gives me a six digit code that must be typed into my braille note 
>>> touch plus which the code appears very quickly. I think the real problem 
>>> here is the fact that the code comes from the computer it is not the 
>>> manufacturer four digit code. So does any attempt to use this will not 
>>> work. Has anyone tried this with her Mac? The manufacturer human where 
>>> indicates that in theory this should work. Apple says there’s nothing that 
>>> can be done about the long code. Who’s right here? Or is this display just 
>>> simply on usable under Bluetooth. For the record USB doesn’t work either 
>>> because again it classifies it as a device needing to be charged if it 
>>> seems that at all.
>>> 
>>> Has anyone on this list experienced this? Also just for the sake of 
>>> clarity, I posted the same message essentially to the Braille Display users 
>>> list. Does anyone have any good suggestions. Or should I suddenly get into 
>>> the market for a new large Braille Display and see what can be found in 
>>> which agency should pay for the FedEx?
>>> 
>>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
>>> 
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Dragging And Dropping With VO In Catalina

[J. Cyr]

Good Evening,
Is anyone else having problems dragging and dropping?  I've been on the phone 
with Apple twice and thought we'd found a work around using the mouse cursor 
(since vo, comma and vo period  Were a lost cause), however, I'm again 
experiencing the same problem.  The item gets marked and dragged but it won't 
drop.  Any suggestions for something I could try?  Pleasse?

Thanks for all and any help,
Sincerely,
Joy


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Re: Bluetooth braille using Catalina the 10 point.15.3. Please read below?

[maurice mines]

 Unfortunately, it’s still not working. In an email earlier today I described 
all of the steps that I go through. I repeated these steps with sided 
assistance this evening. It starts to connect and and immediately disconnects. 
So it’s obviously a problem that’s bigger than me. I don’t know who was to 
blame more here Apple for human where for not updating better utility. This 
process worked under the first generation of the braille note touch. But under 
the braille note touch plus nothing doing. Even if you can match the code this 
device still will not talk to the other device.

Looks like I’ll be petitioning for a new display. The request rejection and the 
administrative appeals process is so much fun. Let’s hope it doesn’t ring true 
administrative logic. Or I can pick an older display and meant to. Long story 
short I’m giving up on this and tell human where an Apple can someday come to 
terms on this one. Although I don’t know when that day will be I suspect no 
time soon.

Sincerely a tired frustrated and very hacked off Lori’s mines.

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Re: Dragging And Dropping With VO In Catalina

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

The VO-period and VO-comma commands for dragging and dropping are primarily for 
very short distance movement and have numerous limitations.  You may wish to 
use the older Drag & Drop method whereby you use VO-cmd-shift-space to invoke 
the mouse-down action, then move to wherever you're wishing to move, then use 
the same key combination to invoke the mouse-up action to drop the item in the 
new location.  Again, there are some limitations to this as well, but it works 
much better in many situations.  What were you attempting to drag and drop and 
from where to where?

Later


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 25, 2020, at 19:13, J. Cyr  wrote:

Good Evening,
Is anyone else having problems dragging and dropping?  I've been on the phone 
with Apple twice and thought we'd found a work around using the mouse cursor 
(since vo, comma and vo period  Were a lost cause), however, I'm again 
experiencing the same problem.  The item gets marked and dragged but it won't 
drop.  Any suggestions for something I could try?  Pleasse?

Thanks for all and any help,
Sincerely,
Joy


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Re: Bring back your Mac's startup chime with this simple terminal command, 9 to 5 Mac

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi jonathan,
would you increase and decrease volume through changing the last number 5 or 
how would you do this?
Thanks Jürgen


> Am 24.02.2020 um 22:51 schrieb Jonathan Cohn :
> 
> Well, I believe that 
> sudo nvram SystemAudioVolumeDB=%f5 
> Is where my MacBook volume is set to. You might want to try just increasing 
> the volume in settings center first and see if that follows through to the 
> startup chime.
> Also, I have not read any notes any where about the above command, so do at 
> your own risk / research.
> Jonathan 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 23, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Simon,
>> Okay, finally got it working.
>> First, I thought it was that I needed to press return after pasting, but in 
>> actuality, immediately after pasting, I heard “Password”. Then I typed my 
>> password and hit enter.
>> That got it working.
>> It’s a subtle, and fairly quiet sound. Any way to bring up the volume of 
>> that sound?
>> 
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
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