Re: OT: anybody on the list using Linux in VMWare or on a separate machine? Pls answer off list

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

OK, Andrew, I understand your situation. I'll give you my advice. But,
as you've undoubtedly already learned, advice is cheap and various
people will be passionate about their views.

So, let me give you a first things first approach as my top suggestion.
Keep it simple, and keep the main thing the main thing. Linux is a "some
assembly" required kind of environment. If you break it, you get to keep
both pieces.

So, forget vmware or any other virtualization. Not because they're
unworthy, they're perfect for their task, but they're complicating
factors that will only frustrate you. After you have experience and some
knowledge, you can always go back there. But learning linux management
under some vm isn't the next thing, it's getting a unfctioning linux in
the first place. I can't stress this point enough.

That seems to leave us with a 13 year old laptop. Forget about running
Orca or any graphical Linux desktop on 13 year old hardware. It ain't
happening--not with your level of Linux skills (no offense intended).

Could I, with my decades of Linux experience get an accessible desktop
working on that machine? Maybe, but not very likely. So, a word to the
wise, and all that.

You can expect to run the text console environment, though, and that's
where the real power and attractiveness of Linux resides, actually. Yes,
Orca is cool and leads in some compelling feature developments. But, Mac
and Windows are far more accessible, imo.

So, if you're uninterested in learning bash (or zsh) console based
computing, you probably want another project.

However, if you're still on board, take heart. You have options, and you
should be able to make Linux talk and drive your braille display with
multiple console instances on each boot that you can readily switch
among.

Now, getting an installation becomes the problem. At this point I again
remind you to keep it simple. Forget wifi. You configure that once the
machine is booting reliably, not as a condition of installation. Plan to
connect an ethernet cable where you can avoid driver issues. The main
thing, remember?

Forget Fedora. It's a powerful Linux distribution and it powers my Linux
vps. I'm sending you this email via my Fedora server in the cloud. But
the installation isn't accessible, so forget it. It just came off your
list--and never mind that someone on some list said they figured out how
to install Fedora with Orca. That ain't you. We're keeping it simple and
keeping the main thing the main thing, right?

Fedora is wonderful to use, but you can't use it if you can't install it
in our current scenario, so you're going to forget it--at least for now.

Debian is good. It has a cadre of true believers that wouldn't have
anything else. Only criticism with Debian is that it's arguably too
conversative, i.e. what you get tends to be older, more user tested
versions of kernels and applications. I do believe it's installation
remains quite accessible, though I don't know the particulars. I'd
google for that info, and also see my additional resources item below.

Arch is what I run on my personal machines. There's an accessible Arch
installer here:

https://tarch.org/

Note there's a fundamental philosophical distinction between Linux
distros like Fedora and Debian which "snapshot" into releases from time
to time on the one hand, and distros like Arch which never have releases
but rather practice rolling updates day by day and hour by hour on the
other hand.

You can also forget vinux and sonar. As you've discovered, they're dead.
There are newer replacements both actively maintained and in process of
development with varying stages of maturity. I have no direct
experience, so I won't say anything more than to note that the community
continues to spin up distributions of Linux aimed at making the process
easier for newbies. Years ago, I was personally involved in such a
project myself.

Lastly, you need to be on the lists with people who focus on Linux as
blind users. Chief of these is the blinux list:

https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list


Note you can find additional resources on the Tarch page noted above.

Remember, you're offering up 13-year old hardware for your Linux, so
your goal is console only. In that environment you'll have Speakup
and/or Fenrir for screen readers, and brltty for your braille display.
Those will be your main choices whether you go Debian, Arch, or
something else.

And, you'll be using these either on bash or zsh sells.

Or, you may decide to learn emacs and emacspeak--but that's yet another
kettle of fish that comes well after getting a function, accessible
system working.

Good luck!

Best,

Janina



'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Hello,
> 
> A few years ago I had a go at trying to learn Linux but I failed and gave it 
> up. I never quite parted with the idea of ever returning to it.  So firstly 
> I’d like to find out what distro I could most reliably install in VMWare 
> Fusion or on an old Del laptop 

Re: OT: anybody on the list using Linux in VMWare or on a separate machine? Pls answer off list

[Tim M]

Running linuxMint mate 19.0.3 on macbook pro 15, mid2009 single boot.
I tried others and got a lot to talk, but the boot manager on macs is a beast. 
So far linuxMint is the only fighter, and it found all of my hardware.
Tim M
z200...@gmail.com 



> On Mar 26, 2020, at 3:37 PM, Thomas M  > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Yes I have a pc running 3 drives separately, a laptop, and a raspberry pi.  
> The only windows machine in this house is my wife's machine, and an old 
> machine that belonged to her that is crapping out.  Everything else is linux 
> or Apple products here.
> 
> Since the group is set to show people as via the group address, it's not that 
> easy to ferrit out actual addresses so this is coming back to you via group.  
> 
> You can write me off list at: 
> tmc...@gmx.com 
> If I can't answer your linux questions, which is quite possible because I am 
> primarily a graphical user of linux, not a command line user, perhaps I can 
> get you in contact with those who know more. There are a number of different 
> linux groups.  
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 17:30, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Does anybody on the list use Linux successfully either in virtual 
>> environment or on a separate computer? Please email off list if you wouldn’t 
>> mind sharing your experiences.
>> 
>> Andrew
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Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

[Brad Snyder]

Very true.  Sounds like your system demands exceed mine.

- Brad -


On Mar 27, 2020, at 00:09, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hey, Brad:

Fwiw, I've never regretted maxing memory resources. Even when on a tight
budget, I've always, always put maximum memory into my machines and I've
never regretted that.

The pain of the extra cost passes in a few months. The benefit lasts as
long as you keep the machine in service. What's the benefit? Having more
apps running in memory at maximum efficiency.

Just my two cents (American).

PS: I've even taken this approach when choosing CPU chips for my Linux
PCs. I look more for L2 (and/or L3) memory on the CPU. I'll take a lower
clock speed to get more on chip buffering.

Best,

Janina

Brad Snyder writes:
> Sounds like the requirement that a monitor or video adapter be connected to a 
> Mac mini may no longer be the case, as Apple has put more of a focus on 
> server and related implementations for the mini.  I would be interested in 
> learning what you experience.
> 
> Sounds like you ordered pretty much the same mini that I have on my list.  I 
> wasn’t planning on spending the money for 64 GB RAM, but may go with 32 GB, 
> and I wasn’t planning on going with the high speed Giga-bit ethernet port 
> either.  Again, this seems something aimed at server implementations.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 26, 2020, at 00:56, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Brad.
> 
> I was actually unaware that the standard PC keyboard's Windows key would map 
> to Command,
> and Alt to Option. My only other Mac to date has been my Airbook where
> all that stuff is builtin!  So, thanks for much for this datum.
> It's precisely the kind of thing I didn't know.
> 
> I was also unaware that the monitor connection is essential. I can cope
> with it, but I appreciate knowing not to bother until I can do that. The
> pieces I ordered are arriving separately.
> 
> Here's what's on order. I went to the higher end because I like my
> machines to have long years of service. My typical replacement cycle
> seems to be about every 8 years on Linux, and my Airbook is 6 years old.
> 
> Here's what's coming:
> 
> Apple Store writes:
>> ...
>> 
>> Mac mini
>> $2,899.00
>> 
>> 1
>> $2,899.00
>> --
>> With the following configuration:
>> 3.2GHz 6■core 8th■generation Intel Core i7 (Turbo Boost up to
>> 4.6GHz)
>> 64GB 2666MHz DDR4
>> Intel UHD Graphics 630
>> 2TB SSD storage
>> Gigabit Ethernet (10/100/1000BASE-T Gigabit Ethernet using RJ-45
>> connector)
>> Accessory Kit
>> 
> 
> Also coming is an HDMI cable, the bluetooth keyboard, and a bluetooth
> mouse (for my sighted assistants). All that brought the total price
> just over $3,300.
> 
> I guess the only high-end item I passed on was the 10Gb ethernet port. I
> just don't see myself using that anytime in the next few years.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> 
> Brad Snyder writes:
>> You may already know this, but when using a standard “Windows” keyboard on a 
>> Mac, the Windows key will be the COMMAND key, and the ALT key will be the 
>> OPTION key.  Other than that little difference, you should get by until your 
>> Apple bluetooth keyboard arrives.
>> 
>> So, tell us what configuration you ordered for your new Mac mini.  What 
>> processor, how much RAM and SSD storage did you go for.  I’ve been 
>> considering replacing my 2012 mini because the 1TB SATA HD is showing signs 
>> that it isn’t as young as it once was, and is doing weird stuff.  Apple 
>> lowered the price of SSD storage options by $200 USD last week, so the 
>> overall price went down.  this makes getting a new mini more tempting.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 03:53, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks to everyone who responded about the builtin 2018 model 
>> Mac Mini speaker. It seems likely it's sufficiently usable for initial
>> installation and configuration. I like to keep things as simple as
>> possible when I bring up a new device for the first time. There's always
>> the rest of my life with that device for getting more nuanced and full
>> featured.
>> 
>> So, now that I've ordered my Mini and have an estimated delivery date,
>> I'm wondering how I will interact with it.
>> 
>> As a blind person, I'm assuming I can skip hooking up a monitor. That's
>> a nuance for later,imo, for working with sighted colleagues in the home
>> office.
>> 
>> But, what about input? The only Mac keyboard I have is the one I ordered
>> with my Mini, and it's bluetooth, unlikely to be delivered before the
>> Mini itself.
>> 
>> Can I use a standard PC 104-key USB keyboard? I have several of these,
>> with no extra keys. They're just the basic PC configuration. Will the
>> Mini work with that, at least through initial configuration? Can I set
>> my passwords and my network connection that way and worry about my Apple
>> bluetooth keyboard 

Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

[Brad Snyder]

Hi Janina,

Did you get the smaller (laptop layout) bluetooth keyboard or the full size 
model with NumPad.

- Brad -


On Mar 27, 2020, at 00:04, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hey, Matthew. I bet you forgot to mention a network connection? Surely
your Mini isn't off the grid? 

Just teasing you a little!

PS: My bluetooth keyboard arrived today. What an elegant unit. However,
I may not be comfortable with it as my main board, though I am likely to
pack it for travel on longer trips (when travel is again routine).

Best,

Janina

matthew dyer writes:
> Brad,
> 
> I hhsave nothing connected at the moment.  Just a wierles apple keyboard and 
> my external HD for backups.  HTH.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 
> From: Brad Snyder
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:16 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order
> 
> To clarify, you are using a 2018 Mac mini without a monitor.  Are you using a 
> DVI or VGA to HDMI adapter plugged into the HDMI port to simulate the 
> presents of a monitor?
> I have been under the belief that either a monitor must be connected to a Mac 
> mini, or an adapter must be plugged into the HDMI port to simulate the 
> presents of a monitor.  I have been told this was the case on 2012 and 2014 
> minis.  Perhaps this is no longer the case with the 2018 model.
> - Brad -
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 09:48, matthew dyer 
> mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Alsa, a slite correction, you do not need to connect a monitor.  I am using a 
> mac mini 2018 just fine without one.  As for a usb keyboard, yes you should 
> be fine.  The windows key is your command key and your ault key is your 
> opsion key.  Outside of that, it will work.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from 
> Mail
>  for Windows 10
> 
> From: Dave Carlson
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:14 AM
> To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
> Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order
> 
> Note that even with a Windows keyboard, you can remap the keys so that 
> Options and Command are correctly positioned.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hey, Brad:

Fwiw, I've never regretted maxing memory resources. Even when on a tight
budget, I've always, always put maximum memory into my machines and I've
never regretted that.

The pain of the extra cost passes in a few months. The benefit lasts as
long as you keep the machine in service. What's the benefit? Having more
apps running in memory at maximum efficiency.

Just my two cents (American).

PS: I've even taken this approach when choosing CPU chips for my Linux
PCs. I look more for L2 (and/or L3) memory on the CPU. I'll take a lower
clock speed to get more on chip buffering.

Best,

Janina

Brad Snyder writes:
> Sounds like the requirement that a monitor or video adapter be connected to a 
> Mac mini may no longer be the case, as Apple has put more of a focus on 
> server and related implementations for the mini.  I would be interested in 
> learning what you experience.
> 
> Sounds like you ordered pretty much the same mini that I have on my list.  I 
> wasn’t planning on spending the money for 64 GB RAM, but may go with 32 GB, 
> and I wasn’t planning on going with the high speed Giga-bit ethernet port 
> either.  Again, this seems something aimed at server implementations.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 26, 2020, at 00:56, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Brad.
> 
> I was actually unaware that the standard PC keyboard's Windows key would map 
> to Command,
> and Alt to Option. My only other Mac to date has been my Airbook where
> all that stuff is builtin!  So, thanks for much for this datum.
> It's precisely the kind of thing I didn't know.
> 
> I was also unaware that the monitor connection is essential. I can cope
> with it, but I appreciate knowing not to bother until I can do that. The
> pieces I ordered are arriving separately.
> 
> Here's what's on order. I went to the higher end because I like my
> machines to have long years of service. My typical replacement cycle
> seems to be about every 8 years on Linux, and my Airbook is 6 years old.
> 
> Here's what's coming:
> 
> Apple Store writes:
> > ...
> > 
> > Mac mini
> > $2,899.00
> > 
> > 1
> > $2,899.00
> > --
> > With the following configuration:
> > 3.2GHz 6■core 8th■generation Intel Core i7 (Turbo Boost up to
> > 4.6GHz)
> > 64GB 2666MHz DDR4
> > Intel UHD Graphics 630
> > 2TB SSD storage
> > Gigabit Ethernet (10/100/1000BASE-T Gigabit Ethernet using RJ-45
> > connector)
> > Accessory Kit
> > 
> 
> Also coming is an HDMI cable, the bluetooth keyboard, and a bluetooth
> mouse (for my sighted assistants). All that brought the total price
> just over $3,300.
> 
> I guess the only high-end item I passed on was the 10Gb ethernet port. I
> just don't see myself using that anytime in the next few years.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> 
> Brad Snyder writes:
> > You may already know this, but when using a standard “Windows” keyboard on 
> > a Mac, the Windows key will be the COMMAND key, and the ALT key will be the 
> > OPTION key.  Other than that little difference, you should get by until 
> > your Apple bluetooth keyboard arrives.
> > 
> > So, tell us what configuration you ordered for your new Mac mini.  What 
> > processor, how much RAM and SSD storage did you go for.  I’ve been 
> > considering replacing my 2012 mini because the 1TB SATA HD is showing signs 
> > that it isn’t as young as it once was, and is doing weird stuff.  Apple 
> > lowered the price of SSD storage options by $200 USD last week, so the 
> > overall price went down.  this makes getting a new mini more tempting.
> > 
> > - Brad -
> > 
> > 
> > On Mar 25, 2020, at 03:53, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Thanks to everyone who responded about the builtin 2018 model 
> > Mac Mini speaker. It seems likely it's sufficiently usable for initial
> > installation and configuration. I like to keep things as simple as
> > possible when I bring up a new device for the first time. There's always
> > the rest of my life with that device for getting more nuanced and full
> > featured.
> > 
> > So, now that I've ordered my Mini and have an estimated delivery date,
> > I'm wondering how I will interact with it.
> > 
> > As a blind person, I'm assuming I can skip hooking up a monitor. That's
> > a nuance for later,imo, for working with sighted colleagues in the home
> > office.
> > 
> > But, what about input? The only Mac keyboard I have is the one I ordered
> > with my Mini, and it's bluetooth, unlikely to be delivered before the
> > Mini itself.
> > 
> > Can I use a standard PC 104-key USB keyboard? I have several of these,
> > with no extra keys. They're just the basic PC configuration. Will the
> > Mini work with that, at least through initial configuration? Can I set
> > my passwords and my network connection that way and worry about my Apple
> > bluetooth keyboard later?
> > 
> > I'm also assuming the old guidance about blind people configuring 

Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hey, Matthew. I bet you forgot to mention a network connection? Surely
your Mini isn't off the grid? 

Just teasing you a little!

PS: My bluetooth keyboard arrived today. What an elegant unit. However,
I may not be comfortable with it as my main board, though I am likely to
pack it for travel on longer trips (when travel is again routine).

Best,

Janina

matthew dyer writes:
> Brad,
> 
> I hhsave nothing connected at the moment.  Just a wierles apple keyboard and 
> my external HD for backups.  HTH.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 
> From: Brad Snyder
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:16 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order
> 
> To clarify, you are using a 2018 Mac mini without a monitor.  Are you using a 
> DVI or VGA to HDMI adapter plugged into the HDMI port to simulate the 
> presents of a monitor?
> I have been under the belief that either a monitor must be connected to a Mac 
> mini, or an adapter must be plugged into the HDMI port to simulate the 
> presents of a monitor.  I have been told this was the case on 2012 and 2014 
> minis.  Perhaps this is no longer the case with the 2018 model.
> - Brad -
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 09:48, matthew dyer 
> mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Alsa, a slite correction, you do not need to connect a monitor.  I am using a 
> mac mini 2018 just fine without one.  As for a usb keyboard, yes you should 
> be fine.  The windows key is your command key and your ault key is your 
> opsion key.  Outside of that, it will work.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from 
> Mail
>  for Windows 10
> 
> From: Dave Carlson
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:14 AM
> To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
> Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order
> 
> Note that even with a Windows keyboard, you can remap the keys so that 
> Options and Command are correctly positioned.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: the 3rd USB flash drive with the same issue

[PRAMIT BHARGAVA]

Hi,

Format your USB drive and don't use quite format for this. Also go to the
properties and adjust it for best performance, rather than quick removal.
And hopefully this will fix the problem.

Pramit

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:05 PM Ramy Moustafa 
wrote:

> Hi all:
> Hope everyone is safe.
> This is the 3rd Flash drive that i bought, I got Kingstone, Transend, and
> Toshiba, and the same result.
> I did not format this Drive, i left it with the Factory Format which is
> Fat32, Am using it to move data between Mac and windows, the problem that
> Is happening on the 3 drives is that the drive is getting slower and slower
> with no reason, this is not just on my mac, i tried it on my Friend’s mac,
> and the same result, so, what can cause this? and is there away to avoid
> this?
> I amde a scan for errors and the 3 drives are ok, no virus,Need technical
> Advice.
> Thanks in advance
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Re: Cut and paste from Mac to iphone

[Robert Carter]

Hi,

A while back, I discovered that this feature doesn’t work reliably for me if I 
have screen curtain turned on on the phone.

Robert Carter



> On Mar 26, 2020, at 4:04 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Sometimes, when the universal clipboard doesn’t perform as it should, I go 
> back to the source and re-highlight and do the copy action again.  Usually 
> things work as expected the second time.  
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 26, 2020, at 15:37, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When it comes to the universal clipboard, there are some considerations.  I 
> don't know the specific time restriction, but there is one and I believe that 
> it is less than 30 seconds, may even be 10 or 15.  So, It is best to have the 
> iPhone open and ready after copying the text from the Mac.  Also, the Edit 
> item in the rotor is not always in the same location, sometimes you need to 
> turn quite a few times to find it.  Lastly, if it doesn't work for you, 
> confirm that the copy actually took.  That is, for fun, try pasting into a 
> TextEdit document on your Mac.  If the text pastes, then it's an issue with 
> the universal clipboard, if it does not, then it was an issue with the 
> selection/copy action.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 26, 2020, at 14:17, Eric Caron  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Brad and others,
> 
> I’m glad I’m not the only one experienced hand off not working.  I was 
> starting to think I was alone with this.
> 
> I have restarted iPhone and Mac, turned off Hand off and turned on again on 
> both devices. I’ve tried selecting on the Mac and pasting on the iPhone in an 
> edit field.  Only one time did the Edit option show up in the rotor and it 
> didn’t have a paste option.  Most times that option is missing but I have a 
> select text option.
> 
> So if anyone has some tips and tricks I’d be happy to try them. 
> 
> I’ll probably try again to clean out my app switcher , toggle the settings, 
> restart the devices, and see if those steps bring it back up again.
> 
> Eric Caron 
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 4:45 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> I experience that same issue sometimes on my Mac mini that is still running 
>> High Sierra.  I have learned to cycle VO off and then back on again.  This 
>> usually fixes most gremlins.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 15:29, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> sometimes, a boring old restart does the trick.  When I updated to 10.15.4 
>> on my MBP, the Extras Menus weren't working.  Every time I did a VO-m-m, the 
>> first one went to the main Menubar, and the second went to my Desktop.  I 
>> turned VO off and on, quit apps, all with no joy.  I logged out then back in 
>> and things went back to normal.  I was getting ready to complain, but it 
>> appears that it was an easy fix for me.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 13:24, Eric Caron > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>>  I double checked hand off and both are turned on.  Mac and iPhone.  I 
>> have a funny feeling I’m doing something silly like not pasting correctly or 
>> not looking for the correct rotor setting.
>> 
>> I was copying from Pages on the Mac and trying to paste the content as a 
>> Facebook post into a group I incompetently administer.
>> 
>> I’m going to update to iOS 13.4  and try again.
>> 
>>  I think it might have actually been in the app switcher.
>> 
>>  did hear my ipHone say something like hand off error at one point but not 
>> sure when or where to find that error message.
>> 
>> It can be Fun solving these puzzles.
>> 
>> Eric Caron 
>> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 2:06 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> You need more than just Bluetooth enabled.  You need Hand-off turned on for 
>>> both, Bluetooth on, and both on the same WiFi network of course.  Hand-off 
>>> is in the General pane of System Prefs on the Mac.  It's also in General of 
>>> the Settings app on iOS/iPadOS.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 11:58, Eric Caron >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi listers,
>>> 
>>> Today, for the first time since upgrading I tried to copy text into my 
>>> Mac clipboard and paste with my iPhone. 
>>> 
>>> I’ve done this a few times in the past and found it helpful.
>>> 
>>> I have bluetooth on both Mac and iPhone turned on.
>>> 
>>> I copy the text on 

Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

[Karen Lewellen]

Lol!
I do not know,  inner voice verses  ego verses witness and all that jazz , 
I might never get anything done with the club of Karens.




On Fri, 27 Mar 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:


Yeah, but at least then you will be guaranteed of a sensible answer if you are 
listening to yourself.


On 27/03/2020, at 09:43, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hey Tim,
well...they have yet to capture the perfect Canadian male voice so.
Will take my zed any way I can get it smiles.
besides using a voice named Karen sounds like I am listening to myself.
Karen



On Thu, 26 Mar 2020, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

The Australian male voice is named Lee.  Good job Karen, turning into a true 
Canadian, eh.  Zed over zee, I love it :).

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 26, 2020, at 13:44, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Going  back to the original topic of this thread, what is the name of the 
Australian male voice?
i recall the female one is Karen, and am told the Aussie voice is the only one  
to pronounce zed correctly.
Karen



On Thu, 26 Mar 2020, Simon A Fogarty wrote:


Yeah started working from home today,

Don???t know how your wifes finding it but I???m struggling after day 1,

Mind you my internet connection in the flat is crap and very slow, plus there 
is 6 in the flat and at least 3 of us are on line all day,

Really different when your limited to phone and email / remote desktop 
connectivity rather than someone walking in to your office with a computer

You getting out to work is great, I had to go for a 4 km walk tonight just to 
get exercise and fresh air.

Make sure yu and the wife take care out there in empty space,
That???s what it???s like, empty space.

I thought tonight on my walk it???s like being in a scene from the 80???s movie 
Quiet Earth,
Don???t know if you ever saw it, Bruno Lawrence
Keep  your hands to yourself and keep safe

Later.

Simon F
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2020 8:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

Yes, we just set up my wife???s work computer in our office, it???s a bit of a 
tight fit as she has two monitors and a docking port for her laptop, but we 
made it fit. I Weill still have to go to work fro for the foreseeable future 
unless I get sick, but at least I won???t have to catch the bus to work any 
more as my wife can drive me for the next four weeks or more. Depending on how 
long this takes.
How about you, are you able to work from home?


On 23/03/2020, at 21:21, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Petrus,

I???ve looked at androids and I???ve only found a couple of voices for them,

Might be that we don???t get the same range  down here but I thought they were 
more limited.

You ready for lock down?

From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>On Behalf Of 
Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 12:21 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

Well some of the people on this list might want to Lynch me if I suggest this, 
but have you looked at Android phones as well? They might have some voices that 
might be easier on the ear. I haven???t got one myself but I think there are 
more voices available for them.



On 23/03/2020, at 11:57, Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

I will confirm the model via my apple id, then wait until   the CNIB individual 
 is here again, since the last voice left is  unsafe for my use.
I know about the adapters, but  as established, until I know the device is   
safe for use voice wise, accessories are the least of my focus.



On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:



I think it might be a 5c as I vaguely remember you telling us when you first 
got the phone. Not sure if you can delete voices and even if you could I 
don???t think I could test it as the steps might be different on IOS 10 then 
they are on 13.
As far as the lack of a  headphone jack goes on the new phones,, you do get an 
adaptor so you can still plug your old headphones into it through the charging 
port.



On 23/03/2020, at 11:44, Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

That is one reason why I want to dump  stuff. Alex, which apparently  works on 
this  phone takes allot of space.
I want to test voices with some knowledge, I start getting nauseous when voices 
 are  not correct.



On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:



Hi!
The 5 series can???t be updated any more.
But i don???t know if they update the voices sometimes.
Have you tried other voices such as the american voice Tom or other voices?
/A



22 mars 2020 kl. 06:47 skrev Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>>:

and a side siri one as 

Re: Question please regarding the option-t time check

[maurice mines]

I have a strange question sometime in amateur, I’d like to change my time to 
universal chlorinated time or Greenwich England to be precise is this possible? 
Since it would line up correctly with universal chlorinated time. Any thoughts?

Sincerely Maurice.

> On Mar 26, 2020, at 13:48, Paul Parravano  wrote:
> 
> I’m hoping someone might know how to change this time announcement to 24 hour 
> time? I’ve set 24 hour in both the date and time section, and language and 
> region section.
> 
> Thanks for any guidance.
> 
> Paul
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Re: the 3rd USB flash drive with the same issue

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi:
Yes i am using the drive often.
U mean formatting or what?


> On Mar 26, 2020, at 6:14 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> How often are you replacing files on this device?  If often, and you are 
> adding, deleting, emptying the Trash lots, then this often happens.  I 
> suggest you use Disk Utility to wipe the drive again which should get rid of 
> directory structure issues that may be slowing things down.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 26, 2020, at 09:30, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all:
> Hope everyone is safe.
> This is the 3rd Flash drive that i bought, I got Kingstone, Transend, and 
> Toshiba, and the same result.
> I did not format this Drive, i left it with the Factory Format which is 
> Fat32, Am using it to move data between Mac and windows, the problem that Is 
> happening on the 3 drives is that the drive is getting slower and slower with 
> no reason, this is not just on my mac, i tried it on my Friend’s mac, and the 
> same result, so, what can cause this? and is there away to avoid this?
> I amde a scan for errors and the 3 drives are ok, no virus,Need technical 
> Advice.
> Thanks in advance 
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Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Yeah, but at least then you will be guaranteed of a sensible answer if you are 
listening to yourself.

> On 27/03/2020, at 09:43, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hey Tim,
> well...they have yet to capture the perfect Canadian male voice so.
> Will take my zed any way I can get it smiles.
> besides using a voice named Karen sounds like I am listening to myself.
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 26 Mar 2020, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The Australian male voice is named Lee.  Good job Karen, turning into a true 
>> Canadian, eh.  Zed over zee, I love it :).
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 26, 2020, at 13:44, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>> 
>> Going  back to the original topic of this thread, what is the name of the 
>> Australian male voice?
>> i recall the female one is Karen, and am told the Aussie voice is the only 
>> one  to pronounce zed correctly.
>> Karen
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, 26 Mar 2020, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
>> 
>>> Yeah started working from home today,
>>> 
>>> Don’t know how your wifes finding it but I’m struggling after day 1,
>>> 
>>> Mind you my internet connection in the flat is crap and very slow, plus 
>>> there is 6 in the flat and at least 3 of us are on line all day,
>>> 
>>> Really different when your limited to phone and email / remote desktop 
>>> connectivity rather than someone walking in to your office with a computer
>>> 
>>> You getting out to work is great, I had to go for a 4 km walk tonight just 
>>> to get exercise and fresh air.
>>> 
>>> Make sure yu and the wife take care out there in empty space,
>>> That’s what it’s like, empty space.
>>> 
>>> I thought tonight on my walk it’s like being in a scene from the 80’s movie 
>>> Quiet Earth,
>>> Don’t know if you ever saw it, Bruno Lawrence
>>> Keep  your hands to yourself and keep safe
>>> 
>>> Later.
>>> 
>>> Simon F
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2020 8:28 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?
>>> 
>>> Yes, we just set up my wife’s work computer in our office, it’s a bit of a 
>>> tight fit as she has two monitors and a docking port for her laptop, but we 
>>> made it fit. I Weill still have to go to work fro for the foreseeable 
>>> future unless I get sick, but at least I won’t have to catch the bus to 
>>> work any more as my wife can drive me for the next four weeks or more. 
>>> Depending on how long this takes.
>>> How about you, are you able to work from home?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 23/03/2020, at 21:21, Simon A Fogarty 
>>> mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Petrus,
>>> 
>>> I’ve looked at androids and I’ve only found a couple of voices for them,
>>> 
>>> Might be that we don’t get the same range  down here but I thought they 
>>> were more limited.
>>> 
>>> You ready for lock down?
>>> 
>>> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>  
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>On 
>>> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
>>> Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 12:21 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?
>>> 
>>> Well some of the people on this list might want to Lynch me if I suggest 
>>> this, but have you looked at Android phones as well? They might have some 
>>> voices that might be easier on the ear. I haven’t got one myself but I 
>>> think there are more voices available for them.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 23/03/2020, at 11:57, Karen Lewellen 
>>> mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I will confirm the model via my apple id, then wait until   the CNIB 
>>> individual  is here again, since the last voice left is  unsafe for my use.
>>> I know about the adapters, but  as established, until I know the device is  
>>>  safe for use voice wise, accessories are the least of my focus.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I think it might be a 5c as I vaguely remember you telling us when you 
>>> first got the phone. Not sure if you can delete voices and even if you 
>>> could I don’t think I could test it as the steps might be different on IOS 
>>> 10 then they are on 13.
>>> As far as the lack of a  headphone jack goes on the new phones,, you do get 
>>> an adaptor so you can still plug your old headphones into it through the 
>>> charging port.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 23/03/2020, at 11:44, Karen Lewellen 
>>> mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That is one reason why I want to dump  stuff. Alex, which apparently  works 
>>> on this  phone takes allot of space.
>>> I want to test voices with some knowledge, I start getting nauseous when 
>>> voices  are  not correct.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>>> 
>>> 

Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Yes, she’s finding it hard to get motivated sometimes but she’s doing okay. 
She’s in a team of four others and they set up Zoom so they can still have 
their meetings. It was odd coming home from work last night and I could 
actually smell what the neighbours were cooking for dinner instead of the smell 
of Burger King from down the road. 
Hey, but at least my coffee pods just got delivered so I’m set.

> On 26/03/2020, at 21:39, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Yeah started working from home today,
>  
> Don’t know how your wifes finding it but I’m struggling after day 1,
>  
> Mind you my internet connection in the flat is crap and very slow, plus there 
> is 6 in the flat and at least 3 of us are on line all day,
>  
> Really different when your limited to phone and email / remote desktop 
> connectivity rather than someone walking in to your office with a computer
>  
> You getting out to work is great, I had to go for a 4 km walk tonight just to 
> get exercise and fresh air.
>  
> Make sure yu and the wife take care out there in empty space,
> That’s what it’s like, empty space.
>  
> I thought tonight on my walk it’s like being in a scene from the 80’s movie 
> Quiet Earth,
> Don’t know if you ever saw it, Bruno Lawrence
> Keep  your hands to yourself and keep safe
>  
> Later.
>  
> Simon F
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  > On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2020 8:28 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?
>  
> Yes, we just set up my wife’s work computer in our office, it’s a bit of a 
> tight fit as she has two monitors and a docking port for her laptop, but we 
> made it fit. I Weill still have to go to work fro for the foreseeable future 
> unless I get sick, but at least I won’t have to catch the bus to work any 
> more as my wife can drive me for the next four weeks or more. Depending on 
> how long this takes.
> How about you, are you able to work from home? 
> 
> 
> On 23/03/2020, at 21:21, Simon A Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> Hi Petrus,
>  
> I’ve looked at androids and I’ve only found a couple of voices for them,
>  
> Might be that we don’t get the same range  down here but I thought they were 
> more limited.
>  
> You ready for lock down?
>  
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  >On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 12:21 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?
>  
> Well some of the people on this list might want to Lynch me if I suggest 
> this, but have you looked at Android phones as well? They might have some 
> voices that might be easier on the ear. I haven’t got one myself but I think 
> there are more voices available for them. 
> 
> 
> 
> On 23/03/2020, at 11:57, Karen Lewellen  > wrote:
>  
> I will confirm the model via my apple id, then wait until   the CNIB 
> individual  is here again, since the last voice left is  unsafe for my use.
> I know about the adapters, but  as established, until I know the device is   
> safe for use voice wise, accessories are the least of my focus.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I think it might be a 5c as I vaguely remember you telling us when you first 
> got the phone. Not sure if you can delete voices and even if you could I 
> don’t think I could test it as the steps might be different on IOS 10 then 
> they are on 13.
> As far as the lack of a  headphone jack goes on the new phones,, you do get 
> an adaptor so you can still plug your old headphones into it through the 
> charging port.
> 
> 
> 
> On 23/03/2020, at 11:44, Karen Lewellen  > wrote:
> 
> That is one reason why I want to dump stuff. Alex, which apparently works on 
> this phone takes allot of space.
> I want to test voices with some knowledge, I start getting nauseous when 
> voices are not correct.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi!
> The 5 series can’t be updated any more.
> But i don’t know if they update the voices sometimes.
> Have you tried other voices such as the american voice Tom or other voices?
> /A
> 
> 
> 
> 22 mars 2020 kl. 06:47 skrev Karen Lewellen  >:
> 
> and a side siri one as well?
> Will ask the siri one first..can it be removed once installed?
> The voiceover voice question has to do with sound quality.
> I finally found a discussion thread about this with others noting the same 
> thing. Daniel who I believe is the UK English voice changed in its enhanced 
> form a while back. I do not know if it has been improved, or better still 
> when was the 

Re: Finding the external DVD drive

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Thanks Simon,
Found it in the end. Woman at work wanted to borrow my Harry Potter collection 
to keep her kids occupied during lock down and I was trying to find one of them 
that I didn’t label with Braille. 

> On 26/03/2020, at 22:02, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi petrus,
>  
> From the finder works better for me and that’s most likely a cmd and tab keys 
> to swap between them
>  
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On 
> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2020 12:58 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Finding the external DVD drive
>  
> Sorry, silly question but at the moment focus
>  Is on the Applications so is it in that list or do I need to put focus on 
> the Desktop which I can’t remember how to do?j
> 
> 
> On 24/03/2020, at 12:54, John Panarese  > wrote:
>  
>   It should show up on your desktop when the CD is inserted and the drive is 
> connected. Just open the volume and you should be able to navigate the files 
> on the CD. It will probably mount in icon view.
>  
> 
> Take Care
> 
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> On Mar 23, 2020, at 7:52 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
>  
> Hi all,
> I have a dum dum question, I’ve done it once before and totally forgot how to 
> do it. I’ve got an external DVD  drive plugged into my Mac book and am trying 
> to find a CD with some MP3  files on it and I’ve not got them labeled. How do 
> I find the DVD  drive so I can see what is on the CD?
> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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Re: Question please regarding the option-t time check

[Brandon Olivares]

Hi,

Yeah you have to edit the script. For me it’s in 
/Library/Scripts/VoiceOver/Time Of Day.applescript

Just scrolling through the script, I think you can remove these lines:

--  readjust for 12 hour time
if (currentHour > 12) then
set currentHour to (currentHour - 12)
end if

Hope that helps.

Brandon


> On Mar 26, 2020, at 4:48 PM, Paul Parravano  wrote:
> 
> I’m hoping someone might know how to change this time announcement to 24 hour 
> time? I’ve set 24 hour in both the date and time section, and language and 
> region section.
> 
> Thanks for any guidance.
> 
> Paul
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Re: Cut and paste from Mac to iphone

[Brad Snyder]

Sometimes, when the universal clipboard doesn’t perform as it should, I go back 
to the source and re-highlight and do the copy action again.  Usually things 
work as expected the second time.  

- Brad -


On Mar 26, 2020, at 15:37, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

When it comes to the universal clipboard, there are some considerations.  I 
don't know the specific time restriction, but there is one and I believe that 
it is less than 30 seconds, may even be 10 or 15.  So, It is best to have the 
iPhone open and ready after copying the text from the Mac.  Also, the Edit item 
in the rotor is not always in the same location, sometimes you need to turn 
quite a few times to find it.  Lastly, if it doesn't work for you, confirm that 
the copy actually took.  That is, for fun, try pasting into a TextEdit document 
on your Mac.  If the text pastes, then it's an issue with the universal 
clipboard, if it does not, then it was an issue with the selection/copy action.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 26, 2020, at 14:17, Eric Caron mailto:eric.caro...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Brad and others,

I’m glad I’m not the only one experienced hand off not working.  I was starting 
to think I was alone with this.

I have restarted iPhone and Mac, turned off Hand off and turned on again on 
both devices. I’ve tried selecting on the Mac and pasting on the iPhone in an 
edit field.  Only one time did the Edit option show up in the rotor and it 
didn’t have a paste option.  Most times that option is missing but I have a 
select text option.

So if anyone has some tips and tricks I’d be happy to try them. 

I’ll probably try again to clean out my app switcher , toggle the settings, 
restart the devices, and see if those steps bring it back up again.

Eric Caron 

> On Mar 25, 2020, at 4:45 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> I experience that same issue sometimes on my Mac mini that is still running 
> High Sierra.  I have learned to cycle VO off and then back on again.  This 
> usually fixes most gremlins.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 15:29, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> sometimes, a boring old restart does the trick.  When I updated to 10.15.4 on 
> my MBP, the Extras Menus weren't working.  Every time I did a VO-m-m, the 
> first one went to the main Menubar, and the second went to my Desktop.  I 
> turned VO off and on, quit apps, all with no joy.  I logged out then back in 
> and things went back to normal.  I was getting ready to complain, but it 
> appears that it was an easy fix for me.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
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> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 13:24, Eric Caron  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
>   I double checked hand off and both are turned on.  Mac and iPhone.  I 
> have a funny feeling I’m doing something silly like not pasting correctly or 
> not looking for the correct rotor setting.
> 
> I was copying from Pages on the Mac and trying to paste the content as a 
> Facebook post into a group I incompetently administer.
> 
> I’m going to update to iOS 13.4  and try again.
> 
>  I think it might have actually been in the app switcher.
> 
>  did hear my ipHone say something like hand off error at one point but not 
> sure when or where to find that error message.
> 
> It can be Fun solving these puzzles.
> 
> Eric Caron 
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 2:06 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You need more than just Bluetooth enabled.  You need Hand-off turned on for 
>> both, Bluetooth on, and both on the same WiFi network of course.  Hand-off 
>> is in the General pane of System Prefs on the Mac.  It's also in General of 
>> the Settings app on iOS/iPadOS.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
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>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 11:58, Eric Caron > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi listers,
>> 
>>  Today, for the first time since upgrading I tried to copy text into my 
>> Mac clipboard and paste with my iPhone. 
>> 
>>  I’ve done this a few times in the past and found it helpful.
>> 
>> I have bluetooth on both Mac and iPhone turned on.
>> 
>> I copy the text on the Mac.  When I enter a text field on the iPhone I used 
>> to get a edit option with paste.  Now it doesn’t show up.  
>> 
>> Any ideas how to trouble shoot this useful function?
>> 
>> Mack is Mac book pro 2015 iPhone is 10 S. iOS 13
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
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Re: Question please regarding the option-t time check

[John Panarese]

  I’m guessing you’d have to directly edit the script itself. I am not sure 
where that is now being saved. I’d have to poke around, but then the question 
of editing the script would be next.


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> On Mar 26, 2020, at 4:48 PM, Paul Parravano  wrote:
> 
> I’m hoping someone might know how to change this time announcement to 24 hour 
> time? I’ve set 24 hour in both the date and time section, and language and 
> region section.
> 
> Thanks for any guidance.
> 
> Paul
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Question please regarding the option-t time check

[Paul Parravano]

I’m hoping someone might know how to change this time announcement to 24 hour 
time? I’ve set 24 hour in both the date and time section, and language and 
region section.

Thanks for any guidance.

Paul

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Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hey Tim,
well...they have yet to capture the perfect Canadian male voice so.
Will take my zed any way I can get it smiles.
besides using a voice named Karen sounds like I am listening to myself.
Karen



On Thu, 26 Mar 2020, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

The Australian male voice is named Lee.  Good job Karen, turning into a true 
Canadian, eh.  Zed over zee, I love it :).

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 26, 2020, at 13:44, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Going  back to the original topic of this thread, what is the name of the 
Australian male voice?
i recall the female one is Karen, and am told the Aussie voice is the only one  
to pronounce zed correctly.
Karen



On Thu, 26 Mar 2020, Simon A Fogarty wrote:


Yeah started working from home today,

Don???t know how your wifes finding it but I???m struggling after day 1,

Mind you my internet connection in the flat is crap and very slow, plus there 
is 6 in the flat and at least 3 of us are on line all day,

Really different when your limited to phone and email / remote desktop 
connectivity rather than someone walking in to your office with a computer

You getting out to work is great, I had to go for a 4 km walk tonight just to 
get exercise and fresh air.

Make sure yu and the wife take care out there in empty space,
That???s what it???s like, empty space.

I thought tonight on my walk it???s like being in a scene from the 80???s movie 
Quiet Earth,
Don???t know if you ever saw it, Bruno Lawrence
Keep  your hands to yourself and keep safe

Later.

Simon F
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2020 8:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

Yes, we just set up my wife???s work computer in our office, it???s a bit of a 
tight fit as she has two monitors and a docking port for her laptop, but we 
made it fit. I Weill still have to go to work fro for the foreseeable future 
unless I get sick, but at least I won???t have to catch the bus to work any 
more as my wife can drive me for the next four weeks or more. Depending on how 
long this takes.
How about you, are you able to work from home?


On 23/03/2020, at 21:21, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Petrus,

I???ve looked at androids and I???ve only found a couple of voices for them,

Might be that we don???t get the same range  down here but I thought they were 
more limited.

You ready for lock down?

From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>On Behalf Of 
Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 12:21 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

Well some of the people on this list might want to Lynch me if I suggest this, 
but have you looked at Android phones as well? They might have some voices that 
might be easier on the ear. I haven???t got one myself but I think there are 
more voices available for them.



On 23/03/2020, at 11:57, Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

I will confirm the model via my apple id, then wait until   the CNIB individual 
 is here again, since the last voice left is  unsafe for my use.
I know about the adapters, but  as established, until I know the device is   
safe for use voice wise, accessories are the least of my focus.



On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:



I think it might be a 5c as I vaguely remember you telling us when you first 
got the phone. Not sure if you can delete voices and even if you could I 
don???t think I could test it as the steps might be different on IOS 10 then 
they are on 13.
As far as the lack of a  headphone jack goes on the new phones,, you do get an 
adaptor so you can still plug your old headphones into it through the charging 
port.



On 23/03/2020, at 11:44, Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

That is one reason why I want to dump  stuff. Alex, which apparently  works on 
this  phone takes allot of space.
I want to test voices with some knowledge, I start getting nauseous when voices 
 are  not correct.



On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:



Hi!
The 5 series can???t be updated any more.
But i don???t know if they update the voices sometimes.
Have you tried other voices such as the american voice Tom or other voices?
/A



22 mars 2020 kl. 06:47 skrev Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>>:

and a side siri one as well?
Will ask the siri one first..can it be removed once installed?
The voiceover voice  question has to do with sound quality.
I finally found a discussion thread about this with others noting the same 
thing.  Daniel who I believe is the UK English voice  changed in its enhanced 
form a while back.  I do not know if it has been  improved, 

Re: Cut and paste from Mac to iphone

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

When it comes to the universal clipboard, there are some considerations.  I 
don't know the specific time restriction, but there is one and I believe that 
it is less than 30 seconds, may even be 10 or 15.  So, It is best to have the 
iPhone open and ready after copying the text from the Mac.  Also, the Edit item 
in the rotor is not always in the same location, sometimes you need to turn 
quite a few times to find it.  Lastly, if it doesn't work for you, confirm that 
the copy actually took.  That is, for fun, try pasting into a TextEdit document 
on your Mac.  If the text pastes, then it's an issue with the universal 
clipboard, if it does not, then it was an issue with the selection/copy action.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 26, 2020, at 14:17, Eric Caron  wrote:

Hi Brad and others,

I’m glad I’m not the only one experienced hand off not working.  I was starting 
to think I was alone with this.

I have restarted iPhone and Mac, turned off Hand off and turned on again on 
both devices. I’ve tried selecting on the Mac and pasting on the iPhone in an 
edit field.  Only one time did the Edit option show up in the rotor and it 
didn’t have a paste option.  Most times that option is missing but I have a 
select text option.

So if anyone has some tips and tricks I’d be happy to try them. 

I’ll probably try again to clean out my app switcher , toggle the settings, 
restart the devices, and see if those steps bring it back up again.

Eric Caron 

> On Mar 25, 2020, at 4:45 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> I experience that same issue sometimes on my Mac mini that is still running 
> High Sierra.  I have learned to cycle VO off and then back on again.  This 
> usually fixes most gremlins.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 15:29, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> sometimes, a boring old restart does the trick.  When I updated to 10.15.4 on 
> my MBP, the Extras Menus weren't working.  Every time I did a VO-m-m, the 
> first one went to the main Menubar, and the second went to my Desktop.  I 
> turned VO off and on, quit apps, all with no joy.  I logged out then back in 
> and things went back to normal.  I was getting ready to complain, but it 
> appears that it was an easy fix for me.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 13:24, Eric Caron  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
>   I double checked hand off and both are turned on.  Mac and iPhone.  I 
> have a funny feeling I’m doing something silly like not pasting correctly or 
> not looking for the correct rotor setting.
> 
> I was copying from Pages on the Mac and trying to paste the content as a 
> Facebook post into a group I incompetently administer.
> 
> I’m going to update to iOS 13.4  and try again.
> 
>  I think it might have actually been in the app switcher.
> 
>  did hear my ipHone say something like hand off error at one point but not 
> sure when or where to find that error message.
> 
> It can be Fun solving these puzzles.
> 
> Eric Caron 
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 2:06 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You need more than just Bluetooth enabled.  You need Hand-off turned on for 
>> both, Bluetooth on, and both on the same WiFi network of course.  Hand-off 
>> is in the General pane of System Prefs on the Mac.  It's also in General of 
>> the Settings app on iOS/iPadOS.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 11:58, Eric Caron > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi listers,
>> 
>>  Today, for the first time since upgrading I tried to copy text into my 
>> Mac clipboard and paste with my iPhone. 
>> 
>>  I’ve done this a few times in the past and found it helpful.
>> 
>> I have bluetooth on both Mac and iPhone turned on.
>> 
>> I copy the text on the Mac.  When I enter a text field on the iPhone I used 
>> to get a edit option with paste.  Now it doesn’t show up.  
>> 
>> Any ideas how to trouble shoot this useful function?
>> 
>> Mack is Mac book pro 2015 iPhone is 10 S. iOS 13
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Eric Caron 
>> 
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Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

The Australian male voice is named Lee.  Good job Karen, turning into a true 
Canadian, eh.  Zed over zee, I love it :).

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 26, 2020, at 13:44, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Going  back to the original topic of this thread, what is the name of the 
Australian male voice?
i recall the female one is Karen, and am told the Aussie voice is the only one  
to pronounce zed correctly.
Karen



On Thu, 26 Mar 2020, Simon A Fogarty wrote:

> Yeah started working from home today,
> 
> Don’t know how your wifes finding it but I’m struggling after day 1,
> 
> Mind you my internet connection in the flat is crap and very slow, plus there 
> is 6 in the flat and at least 3 of us are on line all day,
> 
> Really different when your limited to phone and email / remote desktop 
> connectivity rather than someone walking in to your office with a computer
> 
> You getting out to work is great, I had to go for a 4 km walk tonight just to 
> get exercise and fresh air.
> 
> Make sure yu and the wife take care out there in empty space,
> That’s what it’s like, empty space.
> 
> I thought tonight on my walk it’s like being in a scene from the 80’s movie 
> Quiet Earth,
> Don’t know if you ever saw it, Bruno Lawrence
> Keep  your hands to yourself and keep safe
> 
> Later.
> 
> Simon F
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2020 8:28 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?
> 
> Yes, we just set up my wife’s work computer in our office, it’s a bit of a 
> tight fit as she has two monitors and a docking port for her laptop, but we 
> made it fit. I Weill still have to go to work fro for the foreseeable future 
> unless I get sick, but at least I won’t have to catch the bus to work any 
> more as my wife can drive me for the next four weeks or more. Depending on 
> how long this takes.
> How about you, are you able to work from home?
> 
> 
> On 23/03/2020, at 21:21, Simon A Fogarty 
> mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Petrus,
> 
> I’ve looked at androids and I’ve only found a couple of voices for them,
> 
> Might be that we don’t get the same range  down here but I thought they were 
> more limited.
> 
> You ready for lock down?
> 
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>On 
> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 12:21 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?
> 
> Well some of the people on this list might want to Lynch me if I suggest 
> this, but have you looked at Android phones as well? They might have some 
> voices that might be easier on the ear. I haven’t got one myself but I think 
> there are more voices available for them.
> 
> 
> 
> On 23/03/2020, at 11:57, Karen Lewellen 
> mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:
> 
> I will confirm the model via my apple id, then wait until   the CNIB 
> individual  is here again, since the last voice left is  unsafe for my use.
> I know about the adapters, but  as established, until I know the device is   
> safe for use voice wise, accessories are the least of my focus.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I think it might be a 5c as I vaguely remember you telling us when you first 
> got the phone. Not sure if you can delete voices and even if you could I 
> don’t think I could test it as the steps might be different on IOS 10 then 
> they are on 13.
> As far as the lack of a  headphone jack goes on the new phones,, you do get 
> an adaptor so you can still plug your old headphones into it through the 
> charging port.
> 
> 
> 
> On 23/03/2020, at 11:44, Karen Lewellen 
> mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:
> 
> That is one reason why I want to dump  stuff. Alex, which apparently  works 
> on this  phone takes allot of space.
> I want to test voices with some knowledge, I start getting nauseous when 
> voices  are  not correct.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi!
> The 5 series can’t be updated any more.
> But i don’t know if they update the voices sometimes.
> Have you tried other voices such as the american voice Tom or other voices?
> /A
> 
> 
> 
> 22 mars 2020 kl. 06:47 skrev Karen Lewellen 
> mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>>:
> 
> and a side siri one as well?
> Will ask the siri one first..can it be removed once installed?
> The voiceover voice  question has to do with sound quality.
> I finally found a discussion thread about this with others noting the same 
> thing.  Daniel who I believe is the UK English voice  changed in its enhanced 
> form a while back.  I do not know if it has been  improved, or better still  
> when was the last  upgrade to  the Daniel 

Re: Cut and paste from Mac to iphone

[Eric Caron]

Hi Brad and others,

I’m glad I’m not the only one experienced hand off not working.  I was starting 
to think I was alone with this.

I have restarted iPhone and Mac, turned off Hand off and turned on again on 
both devices. I’ve tried selecting on the Mac and pasting on the iPhone in an 
edit field.  Only one time did the Edit option show up in the rotor and it 
didn’t have a paste option.  Most times that option is missing but I have a 
select text option.

So if anyone has some tips and tricks I’d be happy to try them. 

I’ll probably try again to clean out my app switcher , toggle the settings, 
restart the devices, and see if those steps bring it back up again.

Eric Caron 

> On Mar 25, 2020, at 4:45 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I experience that same issue sometimes on my Mac mini that is still running 
> High Sierra.  I have learned to cycle VO off and then back on again.  This 
> usually fixes most gremlins.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 15:29, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> sometimes, a boring old restart does the trick.  When I updated to 10.15.4 on 
> my MBP, the Extras Menus weren't working.  Every time I did a VO-m-m, the 
> first one went to the main Menubar, and the second went to my Desktop.  I 
> turned VO off and on, quit apps, all with no joy.  I logged out then back in 
> and things went back to normal.  I was getting ready to complain, but it 
> appears that it was an easy fix for me.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 13:24, Eric Caron  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
>   I double checked hand off and both are turned on.  Mac and iPhone.  I 
> have a funny feeling I’m doing something silly like not pasting correctly or 
> not looking for the correct rotor setting.
> 
> I was copying from Pages on the Mac and trying to paste the content as a 
> Facebook post into a group I incompetently administer.
> 
> I’m going to update to iOS 13.4  and try again.
> 
>  I think it might have actually been in the app switcher.
> 
>  did hear my ipHone say something like hand off error at one point but not 
> sure when or where to find that error message.
> 
> It can be Fun solving these puzzles.
> 
> Eric Caron 
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 2:06 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You need more than just Bluetooth enabled.  You need Hand-off turned on for 
>> both, Bluetooth on, and both on the same WiFi network of course.  Hand-off 
>> is in the General pane of System Prefs on the Mac.  It's also in General of 
>> the Settings app on iOS/iPadOS.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 11:58, Eric Caron > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi listers,
>> 
>>  Today, for the first time since upgrading I tried to copy text into my 
>> Mac clipboard and paste with my iPhone. 
>> 
>>  I’ve done this a few times in the past and found it helpful.
>> 
>> I have bluetooth on both Mac and iPhone turned on.
>> 
>> I copy the text on the Mac.  When I enter a text field on the iPhone I used 
>> to get a edit option with paste.  Now it doesn’t show up.  
>> 
>> Any ideas how to trouble shoot this useful function?
>> 
>> Mack is Mac book pro 2015 iPhone is 10 S. iOS 13
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Eric Caron 
>> 
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Re: Mail in Catalina

[Eric Caron]

Hi Tim and others,
Sluggish moving of mail messages solved.

Well, In the process of trying to get hand off to work again I turned off and 
restarted my computer.  And though I’m still working on solving the hand off 
issue the sluggish mail moving behavior is gone.  Got to love that restart 
problem solving technique.  Keep reminding me of this next time I have an 
unusual behavior not seen by others.

Thanks to all those working with me through these computer quirks.

I don’t think I would have upgraded to Catalina If I didn’t know this support 
list was out there.

Eric Caron 



> On Mar 25, 2020, at 3:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Strange indeed.  Not particularly logical, but often inconsistent things like 
> this don't have much logic to them.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:06, Eric Caron  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
>   I did some additional experimentation.  I don’t expect to solve this 
> but here is something interesting. 
> 
> If I press the context menu and then try to go to move it is slow and usually 
> says mail busy at least once. 
> 
> However, If I press the context menu and then close it and immediately open 
> it again my computer is snappy and I can move the email quickly.
> 
> Very strange.
> 
> But for now it makes me a little less crazy to do it this way as I’m not 
> waiting for the computer to respond.
> 
> Just thought I’d share in case someone else experiences this.
> 
> Glad your family is all together.  We  unfortunately have a member in a 
> distant country in quarantine and after 13 days of testing negative now 
> tested positive.  And, Vermont USA where I live is now on lock down.
> 
> Crazy times, but man, I appreciate my technology more then ever!
> 
> Eric Caron 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 24, 2020, at 4:55 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Eric,
>> 
>> The process you've outlined is more or less the same as I.  Wow, either 
>> great minds think alike, or fools seldom differ :).  My MBP is similar to 
>> yours in that it is a 2017 model with 16 GB RAM, 4 Thunderbolt ports, Touch 
>> Bar etc.  I move messages from one account into a different account's 
>> mailbox sometimes as well, and it seems seamless to me.  Maybe I'm missing 
>> something, or maybe I'm just having better luck than you.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 24, 2020, at 14:47, Eric Caron > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>>  I have 7 accounts. One of them is off line as it is a old employer, but 
>> I have many emails in that account I might want to search through in the 
>> future.  Of the others one is not very active.  The other 5 are established 
>> with many mailboxes each. 
>> 
>> I use the same processes you described.  Still by mid day I end up with many 
>> windows  open.  
>> 
>> Even though having all windows closed helps a lot moving a message is still 
>> slow.
>> 
>> The way I move a message is to open the context menu and go to copy, I arrow 
>> up once to move and then right arrow.  I enter a few letters of the mail box 
>> name and when it comes up press enter.
>> 
>> It is slow when I first do this.  If I move a second message it is often 
>> more responsive.  It was not doing this in Mojave, although I think it did 
>> in the beginning.  
>> 
>> Thank you for the thoughtful replies.
>> 
>> It is now slow but much more usable. 
>> 
>> I keep a lot of messages in organized mailboxes under many accounts and I 
>> wonder if there is some time needed for everything to settle in after the OS 
>> upgrade.
>> 
>> Eric Caron 
>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2020, at 1:11 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Eric,
>>> 
>>> Yes, that machine should handle things just fine.  What process do you use 
>>> when opening mail messages?  Do you have multiple mail accounts that you're 
>>> accessing or just one with many messages?  Myself, I do have five main mail 
>>> accounts that I'm accessing at any given time.  I use the return key to 
>>> open the message, then cmd-w to close the message if I don't have to act on 
>>> it immediately.  cmd-r to reply then cmd-shift-d to send.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2020, at 11:04, Eric Caron >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> 
>>> I had the slow move happen once before after upgrading and after a 
>>> period of time it seemed to improve. 
>>> 
>>> This time I finally noticed that the response time in 

RE: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

[Karen Lewellen]

Going  back to the original topic of this thread, what is the name of the 
Australian male voice?
i recall the female one is Karen, and am told the Aussie voice is the only 
one  to pronounce zed correctly.

Karen



On Thu, 26 Mar 2020, Simon A Fogarty wrote:


Yeah started working from home today,

Don???t know how your wifes finding it but I???m struggling after day 1,

Mind you my internet connection in the flat is crap and very slow, plus there 
is 6 in the flat and at least 3 of us are on line all day,

Really different when your limited to phone and email / remote desktop 
connectivity rather than someone walking in to your office with a computer

You getting out to work is great, I had to go for a 4 km walk tonight just to 
get exercise and fresh air.

Make sure yu and the wife take care out there in empty space,
That???s what it???s like, empty space.

I thought tonight on my walk it???s like being in a scene from the 80???s movie 
Quiet Earth,
Don???t know if you ever saw it, Bruno Lawrence
Keep  your hands to yourself and keep safe

Later.

Simon F
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2020 8:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

Yes, we just set up my wife???s work computer in our office, it???s a bit of a 
tight fit as she has two monitors and a docking port for her laptop, but we 
made it fit. I Weill still have to go to work fro for the foreseeable future 
unless I get sick, but at least I won???t have to catch the bus to work any 
more as my wife can drive me for the next four weeks or more. Depending on how 
long this takes.
How about you, are you able to work from home?


On 23/03/2020, at 21:21, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Petrus,

I???ve looked at androids and I???ve only found a couple of voices for them,

Might be that we don???t get the same range  down here but I thought they were 
more limited.

You ready for lock down?

From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>On Behalf Of 
Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 12:21 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

Well some of the people on this list might want to Lynch me if I suggest this, 
but have you looked at Android phones as well? They might have some voices that 
might be easier on the ear. I haven???t got one myself but I think there are 
more voices available for them.



On 23/03/2020, at 11:57, Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

I will confirm the model via my apple id, then wait until   the CNIB individual 
 is here again, since the last voice left is  unsafe for my use.
I know about the adapters, but  as established, until I know the device is   
safe for use voice wise, accessories are the least of my focus.



On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:



I think it might be a 5c as I vaguely remember you telling us when you first 
got the phone. Not sure if you can delete voices and even if you could I 
don???t think I could test it as the steps might be different on IOS 10 then 
they are on 13.
As far as the lack of a  headphone jack goes on the new phones,, you do get an 
adaptor so you can still plug your old headphones into it through the charging 
port.



On 23/03/2020, at 11:44, Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

That is one reason why I want to dump  stuff. Alex, which apparently  works on 
this  phone takes allot of space.
I want to test voices with some knowledge, I start getting nauseous when voices 
 are  not correct.



On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:



Hi!
The 5 series can???t be updated any more.
But i don???t know if they update the voices sometimes.
Have you tried other voices such as the american voice Tom or other voices?
/A



22 mars 2020 kl. 06:47 skrev Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>>:

and a side siri one as well?
Will ask the siri one first..can it be removed once installed?
The voiceover voice  question has to do with sound quality.
I finally found a discussion thread about this with others noting the same 
thing.  Daniel who I believe is the UK English voice  changed in its enhanced 
form a while back.  I do not know if it has been  improved, or better still  
when was the last  upgrade to  the Daniel voice?
I have an iPhone in the 5 family.  it is possiblethat  upgrading IOS 
itself, or the voice, if I can, will improve things.
for now though  the quality  clarity and pronunciation is rather dreadful.
I did not want siri, but apple accessibility, who was talking with the person  
helping me use the phone suggested the download because voiceover  itself was 
not working well according to them.
Siri, which was male in this case, sounded worse than the Daniel voice itself.
I believe? Nuance makes 

Re: OT: anybody on the list using Linux in VMWare or on a separate machine? Pls answer off list

[Thomas M]

Yes I have a pc running 3 drives separately, a laptop, and a raspberry pi.  The 
only windows machine in this house is my wife's machine, and an old machine 
that belonged to her that is crapping out.  Everything else is linux or Apple 
products here.

Since the group is set to show people as via the group address, it's not that 
easy to ferrit out actual addresses so this is coming back to you via group.  

You can write me off list at: 
tmc...@gmx.com
If I can't answer your linux questions, which is quite possible because I am 
primarily a graphical user of linux, not a command line user, perhaps I can get 
you in contact with those who know more. There are a number of different linux 
groups.  
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 17:30, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Does anybody on the list use Linux successfully either in virtual environment 
> or on a separate computer? Please email off list if you wouldn’t mind sharing 
> your experiences.
> 
> Andrew
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Re: Finding system dialogues on Mac 10.15.4

[Brad Snyder]

Hi Brianna,

This is a standard VO Trackpad Commander gesture, and it works without 
positioning your hand sideways, with the palm oriented toward the center of the 
trackpad.  Just keep your fingers close together, and the outside finger close 
to the edge of the trackpad, and the gesture will perform the action as you 
described.

HTH

- Brad -


On Mar 26, 2020, at 13:16, Brianna Snyder  wrote:

Hi guys, 

I have my trackpad commander turned on. Now, I don't remember if I had to set 
this up as I've had it for a while,  but with two fingers on the right, I 
double-tap and can see my system dialogues. On the other side, I can do the 
same thing and access the application chooser. 
Now, when you do this, you have to position your hands sideways, so that your 
palms face the part of the Mac where your wrists would go while typing. 
Hopefully I've explained that well enough. 
Just figured it was another way to help. 

Brianna


On Mar 26, 2020, at 11:56 AM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

> I hear VO make these kinds of announcements and find there is nothing.  I 
> hear it frequently on the log-on screen.  It is nothing new to Catalina.  I'm 
> still running High Sierra on my Mac mini, and hear these announcements all 
> the time.  I’ve learned to not worry about it.  
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 26, 2020, at 09:46, Paul Hopewell  > wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I have recently updated my iMac to the latest Catalina 10.15.4. From time to 
> time and after initial logon I hear a message that 5 system dialogues are 
> active. How can I find these dialogues and fix them?
> Many thanks and keep well … Paul Hopewell
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Re: Finder hot key for folder navigation

[Brad Snyder]

I use OPTION + Up Arrow to go to the top, and OPTION + Down Arrow to go to the 
bottom.
this works whether I have interacted with the list view or not.

HTH

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On Mar 26, 2020, at 12:41, Raul A. Gallegos  wrote:

Hello all, I have reviewed hot keys from:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236
which gives a ton of useful hot keys, most of which I already know, and some 
that I'll never use. However, I'm having trouble finding the best way to 
navigate certain folders. So, for example, if I'm in a Finder window, let's say 
my documents folder and I am halfway down the list but want to quickly get to 
the top of the list, how do I do this? In Mail, I can press Option+Cmd+Up and 
it will take me to the top of the mailbox, but there doesn't appear to be a 
Finder equivalent. I've tried hot keys like Option+Cmd+Up, FN+Left, or 
FN+Ctrl+Left, or any close combination of what I might think might work,, but 
still no go.

If there is something obvious, I have clearly missed it. I think I've done this 
before while using an external Apple keyboard, but no luck from the regular 
MacBook Air keyboard from the 2017 model.

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Re: Finding system dialogues on Mac 10.15.4

[Brianna Snyder]

Hi guys, 

I have my trackpad commander turned on. Now, I don't remember if I had to set 
this up as I've had it for a while,  but with two fingers on the right, I 
double-tap and can see my system dialogues. On the other side, I can do the 
same thing and access the application chooser. 
Now, when you do this, you have to position your hands sideways, so that your 
palms face the part of the Mac where your wrists would go while typing. 
Hopefully I've explained that well enough. 
Just figured it was another way to help. 

Brianna


> On Mar 26, 2020, at 11:56 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> I hear VO make these kinds of announcements and find there is nothing.  I 
> hear it frequently on the log-on screen.  It is nothing new to Catalina.  I'm 
> still running High Sierra on my Mac mini, and hear these announcements all 
> the time.  I’ve learned to not worry about it.  
> 
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> On Mar 26, 2020, at 09:46, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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> I have recently updated my iMac to the latest Catalina 10.15.4. From time to 
> time and after initial logon I hear a message that 5 system dialogues are 
> active. How can I find these dialogues and fix them?
> Many thanks and keep well … Paul Hopewell
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Re: Finder hot key for folder navigation

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Hi,

You need to make sure that the window is either in List mode (cmd-2) or Column 
mode (cmd-3) and you should interact with the table or column browser to have 
many commands work well.  You can use option-up to get to the first item in the 
list and option-down to get quickly to the last item.  You can also use VO 
commands like VO-fn-left to get quickly to the first item in the table or 
browser, and VO-fn-right to get to the last item.

HTH.

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On Mar 26, 2020, at 11:41, Raul A. Gallegos  wrote:

Hello all, I have reviewed hot keys from:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236
which gives a ton of useful hot keys, most of which I already know, and some 
that I'll never use. However, I'm having trouble finding the best way to 
navigate certain folders. So, for example, if I'm in a Finder window, let's say 
my documents folder and I am halfway down the list but want to quickly get to 
the top of the list, how do I do this? In Mail, I can press Option+Cmd+Up and 
it will take me to the top of the mailbox, but there doesn't appear to be a 
Finder equivalent. I've tried hot keys like Option+Cmd+Up, FN+Left, or 
FN+Ctrl+Left, or any close combination of what I might think might work,, but 
still no go.

If there is something obvious, I have clearly missed it. I think I've done this 
before while using an external Apple keyboard, but no luck from the regular 
MacBook Air keyboard from the 2017 model.

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Re: Finder hot key for folder navigation

[michael dailey]

Try Option key  up or down arrow.

Mike Dailey
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> On Mar 26, 2020, at 1:41 PM, Raul A. Gallegos  wrote:
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> Hello all, I have reviewed hot keys from:
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236
> which gives a ton of useful hot keys, most of which I already know, and some 
> that I'll never use. However, I'm having trouble finding the best way to 
> navigate certain folders. So, for example, if I'm in a Finder window, let's 
> say my documents folder and I am halfway down the list but want to quickly 
> get to the top of the list, how do I do this? In Mail, I can press 
> Option+Cmd+Up and it will take me to the top of the mailbox, but there 
> doesn't appear to be a Finder equivalent. I've tried hot keys like 
> Option+Cmd+Up, FN+Left, or FN+Ctrl+Left, or any close combination of what I 
> might think might work,, but still no go.
> 
> If there is something obvious, I have clearly missed it. I think I've done 
> this before while using an external Apple keyboard, but no luck from the 
> regular MacBook Air keyboard from the 2017 model.
> 
> Thanks.
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Finder hot key for folder navigation

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hello all, I have reviewed hot keys from:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236
which gives a ton of useful hot keys, most of which I already know, and 
some that I'll never use. However, I'm having trouble finding the best 
way to navigate certain folders. So, for example, if I'm in a Finder 
window, let's say my documents folder and I am halfway down the list but 
want to quickly get to the top of the list, how do I do this? In Mail, I 
can press Option+Cmd+Up and it will take me to the top of the mailbox, 
but there doesn't appear to be a Finder equivalent. I've tried hot keys 
like Option+Cmd+Up, FN+Left, or FN+Ctrl+Left, or any close combination 
of what I might think might work,, but still no go.


If there is something obvious, I have clearly missed it. I think I've 
done this before while using an external Apple keyboard, but no luck 
from the regular MacBook Air keyboard from the 2017 model.


Thanks.

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Re: Viewing songs in an album.

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Hi,

Not sure why that would be happening for you.  Normally, after selecting 
Albums, then interacting with the Grid, interacting with the album name, then 
VO-spacing on the album name, then using VO-right to get to the album tracks, 
you should just see them all.  That's how it works for me anyway.

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On Mar 26, 2020, at 11:13, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
I try to view the titles of tracks in an album with 21 songs.
The problem i’m having is that i can only view the 7 first tracks.
What can i do to make all tracks vissible.
Thanks in advance.
/A 

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Viewing songs in an album.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I try to view the titles of tracks in an album with 21 songs.
The problem i’m having is that i can only view the 7 first tracks.
What can i do to make all tracks vissible.
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Re: the 3rd USB flash drive with the same issue

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

How often are you replacing files on this device?  If often, and you are 
adding, deleting, emptying the Trash lots, then this often happens.  I suggest 
you use Disk Utility to wipe the drive again which should get rid of directory 
structure issues that may be slowing things down.

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On Mar 26, 2020, at 09:30, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hi all:
Hope everyone is safe.
This is the 3rd Flash drive that i bought, I got Kingstone, Transend, and 
Toshiba, and the same result.
I did not format this Drive, i left it with the Factory Format which is Fat32, 
Am using it to move data between Mac and windows, the problem that Is happening 
on the 3 drives is that the drive is getting slower and slower with no reason, 
this is not just on my mac, i tried it on my Friend’s mac, and the same result, 
so, what can cause this? and is there away to avoid this?
I amde a scan for errors and the 3 drives are ok, no virus,Need technical 
Advice.
Thanks in advance 

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Re: Finding system dialogues on Mac 10.15.4

[Brad Snyder]

I hear VO make these kinds of announcements and find there is nothing.  I hear 
it frequently on the log-on screen.  It is nothing new to Catalina.  I'm still 
running High Sierra on my Mac mini, and hear these announcements all the time.  
I’ve learned to not worry about it.  

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Hello,
I have recently updated my iMac to the latest Catalina 10.15.4. From time to 
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active. How can I find these dialogues and fix them?
Many thanks and keep well … Paul Hopewell

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Re: Finding system dialogues on Mac 10.15.4

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   This is why I avoid changing defaults as much as possible. Keeps the 
confusion level low.


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the 3rd USB flash drive with the same issue

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi all:
Hope everyone is safe.
This is the 3rd Flash drive that i bought, I got Kingstone, Transend, and 
Toshiba, and the same result.
I did not format this Drive, i left it with the Factory Format which is Fat32, 
Am using it to move data between Mac and windows, the problem that Is happening 
on the 3 drives is that the drive is getting slower and slower with no reason, 
this is not just on my mac, i tried it on my Friend’s mac, and the same result, 
so, what can cause this? and is there away to avoid this?
I amde a scan for errors and the 3 drives are ok, no virus,Need technical 
Advice.
Thanks in advance 

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Accessible COVID 19 statistics tracker

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

this isn't Apple related, but I thought it might be useful, so wanted to share.

Top Tech Tidbits this morning contained a link to an accessible COVID 19 
statistics tracker. For those interested, here is the link:

https://cvstats.net
Best,
Donna

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Re: Finding system dialogues on Mac 10.15.4

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Egads. Yet anohter VO hotkey I never used. My brain is starting to hurt…


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Re: Finding system dialogues on Mac 10.15.4

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Strange, Options +W works fine on my keyboard. Why is that? Ah. perhaps I’ve 
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Re: Finding system dialogues on Mac 10.15.4

[Dave Carlson]

Yet one more way. Got to love the Mac. Also with a keyboard that has a full 
number pad, the forward slash button above the “8”.


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Re: Finding system dialogues on Mac 10.15.4

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Hi,

System dialogs usually don't appear under the Window Chooser because the Window 
Chooser pertains to the active application.  Use the Application Chooser 
instead, VO-f1-f1, then arrow down and one of the choices will be System 
dialogs.  Arrow right and down any active System dialogs.

Later...


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  No Dave. He got 5, very likely they are announcements. By they way. option
+ w is incorrect. It's VO + f2 twice.

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Re: Finding system dialogues on Mac 10.15.4

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   No Dave. He got 5, very likely they are announcements. By they way. 
option

+ w is incorrect. It's VO + f2 twice.

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Options+W opens your Window Chooser.

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Re: Finding system dialogues on Mac 10.15.4

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Hi, the window chooser is VO+F2 twice quickly.

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Re: Finding system dialogues on Mac 10.15.4

[Dave Carlson]

Cool, yet another VO hotkey combination that I never used. But I think he needs 
to use Options+W to open the Window Chooser.


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Re: Finding system dialogues on Mac 10.15.4

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   Possibly these are announcements. Try VO + n to access them.

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Hello,
I have recently updated my iMac to the latest Catalina 10.15.4. From time to 
time and after initial logon I hear a message that 5 system dialogues are 
active. How can I find these dialogues and fix them?
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Re: Finding system dialogues on Mac 10.15.4

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Options+W opens your Window Chooser.

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Finding system dialogues on Mac 10.15.4

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello,
I have recently updated my iMac to the latest Catalina 10.15.4. From time to 
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RE: Mac Mini Now On Order

[matthew dyer]

Brad,

I hhsave nothing connected at the moment.  Just a wierles apple keyboard and my 
external HD for backups.  HTH.

Matthew



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From: Brad Snyder
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

To clarify, you are using a 2018 Mac mini without a monitor.  Are you using a 
DVI or VGA to HDMI adapter plugged into the HDMI port to simulate the presents 
of a monitor?
I have been under the belief that either a monitor must be connected to a Mac 
mini, or an adapter must be plugged into the HDMI port to simulate the presents 
of a monitor.  I have been told this was the case on 2012 and 2014 minis.  
Perhaps this is no longer the case with the 2018 model.
- Brad -

On Mar 25, 2020, at 09:48, matthew dyer 
mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
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Alsa, a slite correction, you do not need to connect a monitor.  I am using a 
mac mini 2018 just fine without one.  As for a usb keyboard, yes you should be 
fine.  The windows key is your command key and your ault key is your opsion 
key.  Outside of that, it will work.

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Note that even with a Windows keyboard, you can remap the keys so that Options 
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Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

[Brad Snyder]

Sounds like the requirement that a monitor or video adapter be connected to a 
Mac mini may no longer be the case, as Apple has put more of a focus on server 
and related implementations for the mini.  I would be interested in learning 
what you experience.

Sounds like you ordered pretty much the same mini that I have on my list.  I 
wasn’t planning on spending the money for 64 GB RAM, but may go with 32 GB, and 
I wasn’t planning on going with the high speed Giga-bit ethernet port either.  
Again, this seems something aimed at server implementations.

- Brad -


On Mar 26, 2020, at 00:56, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Thanks, Brad.

I was actually unaware that the standard PC keyboard's Windows key would map to 
Command,
and Alt to Option. My only other Mac to date has been my Airbook where
all that stuff is builtin!  So, thanks for much for this datum.
It's precisely the kind of thing I didn't know.

I was also unaware that the monitor connection is essential. I can cope
with it, but I appreciate knowing not to bother until I can do that. The
pieces I ordered are arriving separately.

Here's what's on order. I went to the higher end because I like my
machines to have long years of service. My typical replacement cycle
seems to be about every 8 years on Linux, and my Airbook is 6 years old.

Here's what's coming:

Apple Store writes:
> ...
> 
> Mac mini
> $2,899.00
> 
> 1
> $2,899.00
> --
> With the following configuration:
> 3.2GHz 6■core 8th■generation Intel Core i7 (Turbo Boost up to
> 4.6GHz)
> 64GB 2666MHz DDR4
> Intel UHD Graphics 630
> 2TB SSD storage
> Gigabit Ethernet (10/100/1000BASE-T Gigabit Ethernet using RJ-45
> connector)
> Accessory Kit
> 

Also coming is an HDMI cable, the bluetooth keyboard, and a bluetooth
mouse (for my sighted assistants). All that brought the total price
just over $3,300.

I guess the only high-end item I passed on was the 10Gb ethernet port. I
just don't see myself using that anytime in the next few years.

Best,

Janina



Brad Snyder writes:
> You may already know this, but when using a standard “Windows” keyboard on a 
> Mac, the Windows key will be the COMMAND key, and the ALT key will be the 
> OPTION key.  Other than that little difference, you should get by until your 
> Apple bluetooth keyboard arrives.
> 
> So, tell us what configuration you ordered for your new Mac mini.  What 
> processor, how much RAM and SSD storage did you go for.  I’ve been 
> considering replacing my 2012 mini because the 1TB SATA HD is showing signs 
> that it isn’t as young as it once was, and is doing weird stuff.  Apple 
> lowered the price of SSD storage options by $200 USD last week, so the 
> overall price went down.  this makes getting a new mini more tempting.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 03:53, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks to everyone who responded about the builtin 2018 model 
> Mac Mini speaker. It seems likely it's sufficiently usable for initial
> installation and configuration. I like to keep things as simple as
> possible when I bring up a new device for the first time. There's always
> the rest of my life with that device for getting more nuanced and full
> featured.
> 
> So, now that I've ordered my Mini and have an estimated delivery date,
> I'm wondering how I will interact with it.
> 
> As a blind person, I'm assuming I can skip hooking up a monitor. That's
> a nuance for later,imo, for working with sighted colleagues in the home
> office.
> 
> But, what about input? The only Mac keyboard I have is the one I ordered
> with my Mini, and it's bluetooth, unlikely to be delivered before the
> Mini itself.
> 
> Can I use a standard PC 104-key USB keyboard? I have several of these,
> with no extra keys. They're just the basic PC configuration. Will the
> Mini work with that, at least through initial configuration? Can I set
> my passwords and my network connection that way and worry about my Apple
> bluetooth keyboard later?
> 
> I'm also assuming the old guidance about blind people configuring their
> Apple machine still holds true? "Just wait, and Voice Over will turn
> itself on after a time." Is that still so? I've actually only gone
> through that process once--abut 6 years ago when I got my Airbook.
> 
> Thanks again for all guidance. It's much appreciated.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
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Re: Screen Sharing with Zoom

[Ibraheem Fakir]

Hey there,

Thanks for this. My issue is that zoom is not listed in the table of apps for 
which I could allow screen sharing permissions. Its listed for microphone and 
camera, but in the table for screen sharing, Zoom isn’t there at all. I’ve 
uninstalled and reinstalled 
Zoom but for some reason still don’t see it in the screen sharing table for me 
to grant it permissions. I’m stumped here.

Best,
Ibraheem

> On Mar 26, 2020, at 1:29 AM, PRAMIT BHARGAVA  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ibraheem,
> 
> Due to increased security and permissions with Mac OS Catalina, you will be 
> prompted to authorize the Zoom Desktop Client to use the microphone, camera, 
> and screen recording. You will also be prompted to allow the Zoom Desktop 
> Client to allow others to remotely control your desktop. You can click OK 
> during the initial request and you will be able to use your microphone and 
> camera in Zoom.
> 
> Also scroll down the list where you see team viewer and also Unlock the 
> Security & Privacy window and then once you'll find Zoom select the check 
> box. If it requires any permission after that grant them.
> 
> Restart and it will work.
> 
> Pramit
> 
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 1:20 AM Ibraheem Fakir  > wrote:
> Hi List,
> 
> Hope you’re well. I’m running into a strange issue when trying to setup my 
> screen sharing with Zoom on Catalina. Upon trying to share my screen, I 
> received the notification to grant screen sharing access to zoom in security 
> and privacy settings of system preferences. When I get to the table for 
> screen recording in the privacy tab, I don’t seem Zoom in there. I do see my 
> app team viewer in there but for some reason Zoom has gone ghost. I do see 
> Zoom under the camera and microphone tables of the privacy tab. Does anyone 
> know how I can fix this issue? I’ve uninstalled, reinstalled, and restarted 
> my computer but no success.
> 
> Thanks!
> Ibraheem
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Creating ringtones via IPHone.

[Jessica Moss]

I’ve started using the music to ringtone app to create my own ringtones, which 
I really love aside from the fact that if you want to use strictly your IPHone 
and not go through Apple Music to sync them, you have to use Garage Band, which 
I’m finding not to be as easy as I thought.  Under the share option, I found 
the option to copy to Garage Band, but once I have it copied, I see no option 
to import the file as a ringtone, only options to mix/add tracks to it and the 
like.  Can someone please explain to me how this is done?

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RE: Finding the external DVD drive

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi petrus,

>From the finder works better for me and that’s most likely a cmd and tab keys 
>to swap between them

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2020 12:58 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Finding the external DVD drive

Sorry, silly question but at the moment focus
 Is on the Applications so is it in that list or do I need to put focus on the 
Desktop which I can’t remember how to do?j


On 24/03/2020, at 12:54, John Panarese 
mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

  It should show up on your desktop when the CD is inserted and the drive is 
connected. Just open the volume and you should be able to navigate the files on 
the CD. It will probably mount in icon view.


Take Care

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On Mar 23, 2020, at 7:52 PM, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi all,
I have a dum dum question, I’ve done it once before and totally forgot how to 
do it. I’ve got an external DVD  drive plugged into my Mac book and am trying 
to find a CD with some MP3  files on it and I’ve not got them labeled. How do I 
find the DVD  drive so I can see what is on the CD?
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RE: Finding the external DVD drive

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Petrus,

Under computer  shift command and c
Then find the drive in your available volumes

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2020 12:53 PM
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Hi all,
I have a dum dum question, I’ve done it once before and totally forgot how to 
do it. I’ve got an external DVD  drive plugged into my Mac book and am trying 
to find a CD with some MP3  files on it and I’ve not got them labeled. How do I 
find the DVD  drive so I can see what is on the CD?
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RE: snoozing vs dismissing alarm with FaceID.

[Simon A Fogarty]

Same way as on a ten,

All the touch screen devices work the same way.

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Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2020 10:10 AM
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Subject: Re: snoozing vs dismissing alarm with FaceID.

Hi,
how do you turn of snooze for alarms etc in a 10S?
Thanks for any advice.
Max.


On 24 Mar 2020, at 8:00 am, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

My understanding is as follows:

1.  If Snooze is disabled in the specific alarm settings, just press the side 
button or one of the volume buttons to silence the alarm.

2.  If Snooze is enabled, use the Home gesture to dismiss the alarm, or the 
side button or volume buttons to snooze.

Myself, I don't bother with having snooze enabled, so just have to either press 
the side button or the button on my Apple Watch.

Later...


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On Mar 23, 2020, at 14:20, Jonathan Cohn 
mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello,
On my iPhone 7, if I press volume button or power (side) button when an alarm 
is goin off, it snoozes. If I press the home button with a finger that supports 
touch ID, the alarm is dismissed.
What is the equivalent for iPhone 10 and newer?
Jonathan

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RE: snoozing vs dismissing alarm with FaceID.

[Simon A Fogarty]

I tap a button on the screen that stops the alarm 
I can't say I've used any other touch or gesture 
-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2020 9:21 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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Hello,
On my iPhone 7, if I press volume button or power (side) button when an alarm 
is goin off, it snoozes. If I press the home button with a finger that supports 
touch ID, the alarm is dismissed.
What is the equivalent for iPhone 10 and newer?
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RE: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hey Tim,

Bad luck,
If you could fly in to NZ then you’d automatically go into 14 days isolation 
which means Petrus has time to hide or hunt you down before you got to him.

Yeah I’m in the high risk status also as a type 1 diabetic and asthmatic

But I’m not going to be able to stay hidden away for four weeks so I have to 
get out and go for a walk each day,

There are still people out and about both on foot / exercising and also driving 
around in all types of vehicles.

I’m blown away by how something so small and crazy can stop the world 
functioning in a normal state.

I don’t believe the 1918 spanish flu caused this much trouble to the worlds 
population at the time.

Everyonee take care and keep your hands to yourself, so you can’tcatch unwanted 
buggs.

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2020 8:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

Hi,

If Petrus wasn't so far away, I might have to linch him ;).  Couldn't fly down 
there right now either, so I guess you're in the clear Petrus.

Hope all is well down there for you.  My wife is in the high-risk category, and 
my daughter just made it back from the UK early Sunday morning, so we're in 
self-isolation mode at our place.  I'm a geek, so working from home is not an 
issue for me.  I've also spent hours making our systems remotely accessible to 
me.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 23, 2020, at 13:28, Petrus Tuerlings 
mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Yes, we just set up my wife’s work computer in our office, it’s a bit of a 
tight fit as she has two monitors and a docking port for her laptop, but we 
made it fit. I Weill still have to go to work fro for the foreseeable future 
unless I get sick, but at least I won’t have to catch the bus to work any more 
as my wife can drive me for the next four weeks or more. Depending on how long 
this takes.
How about you, are you able to work from home?


On 23/03/2020, at 21:21, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Petrus,

I’ve looked at androids and I’ve only found a couple of voices for them,

Might be that we don’t get the same range  down here but I thought they were 
more limited.

You ready for lock down?

From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 12:21 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

Well some of the people on this list might want to Lynch me if I suggest this, 
but have you looked at Android phones as well? They might have some voices that 
might be easier on the ear. I haven’t got one myself but I think there are more 
voices available for them.



On 23/03/2020, at 11:57, Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

I will confirm the model via my apple id, then wait until   the CNIB individual 
 is here again, since the last voice left is  unsafe for my use.
I know about the adapters, but  as established, until I know the device is   
safe for use voice wise, accessories are the least of my focus.



On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:



I think it might be a 5c as I vaguely remember you telling us when you first 
got the phone. Not sure if you can delete voices and even if you could I don’t 
think I could test it as the steps might be different on IOS 10 then they are 
on 13.
As far as the lack of a  headphone jack goes on the new phones,, you do get an 
adaptor so you can still plug your old headphones into it through the charging 
port.



On 23/03/2020, at 11:44, Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

That is one reason why I want to dump  stuff. Alex, which apparently  works on 
this  phone takes allot of space.
I want to test voices with some knowledge, I start getting nauseous when voices 
 are  not correct.



On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:



Hi!
The 5 series can’t be updated any more.
But i don’t know if they update the voices sometimes.
Have you tried other voices such as the american voice Tom or other voices?
/A



22 mars 2020 kl. 06:47 skrev Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>>:

and a side siri one as well?
Will ask the siri one first..can it be removed once installed?
The voiceover voice  question has to do with sound quality.
I finally found a discussion thread about this with others noting the same 
thing.  Daniel who I believe is the UK English voice  changed in its enhanced 
form a while back.  I do not know if it has been  improved, or better still  
when was the last  upgrade to  the Daniel voice?
I have an iPhone in the 5 family.  it is possiblethat  upgrading IOS 
itself, or the voice, if I can, will improve things.
for now though  the quality  clarity and 

RE: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah started working from home today,

Don’t know how your wifes finding it but I’m struggling after day 1,

Mind you my internet connection in the flat is crap and very slow, plus there 
is 6 in the flat and at least 3 of us are on line all day,

Really different when your limited to phone and email / remote desktop 
connectivity rather than someone walking in to your office with a computer

You getting out to work is great, I had to go for a 4 km walk tonight just to 
get exercise and fresh air.

Make sure yu and the wife take care out there in empty space,
That’s what it’s like, empty space.

I thought tonight on my walk it’s like being in a scene from the 80’s movie 
Quiet Earth,
Don’t know if you ever saw it, Bruno Lawrence
Keep  your hands to yourself and keep safe

Later.

Simon F
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2020 8:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

Yes, we just set up my wife’s work computer in our office, it’s a bit of a 
tight fit as she has two monitors and a docking port for her laptop, but we 
made it fit. I Weill still have to go to work fro for the foreseeable future 
unless I get sick, but at least I won’t have to catch the bus to work any more 
as my wife can drive me for the next four weeks or more. Depending on how long 
this takes.
How about you, are you able to work from home?


On 23/03/2020, at 21:21, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Petrus,

I’ve looked at androids and I’ve only found a couple of voices for them,

Might be that we don’t get the same range  down here but I thought they were 
more limited.

You ready for lock down?

From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 12:21 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: a question about voiceover voices on IOS?

Well some of the people on this list might want to Lynch me if I suggest this, 
but have you looked at Android phones as well? They might have some voices that 
might be easier on the ear. I haven’t got one myself but I think there are more 
voices available for them.



On 23/03/2020, at 11:57, Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

I will confirm the model via my apple id, then wait until   the CNIB individual 
 is here again, since the last voice left is  unsafe for my use.
I know about the adapters, but  as established, until I know the device is   
safe for use voice wise, accessories are the least of my focus.



On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:



I think it might be a 5c as I vaguely remember you telling us when you first 
got the phone. Not sure if you can delete voices and even if you could I don’t 
think I could test it as the steps might be different on IOS 10 then they are 
on 13.
As far as the lack of a  headphone jack goes on the new phones,, you do get an 
adaptor so you can still plug your old headphones into it through the charging 
port.



On 23/03/2020, at 11:44, Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

That is one reason why I want to dump  stuff. Alex, which apparently  works on 
this  phone takes allot of space.
I want to test voices with some knowledge, I start getting nauseous when voices 
 are  not correct.



On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:



Hi!
The 5 series can’t be updated any more.
But i don’t know if they update the voices sometimes.
Have you tried other voices such as the american voice Tom or other voices?
/A



22 mars 2020 kl. 06:47 skrev Karen Lewellen 
mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>>:

and a side siri one as well?
Will ask the siri one first..can it be removed once installed?
The voiceover voice  question has to do with sound quality.
I finally found a discussion thread about this with others noting the same 
thing.  Daniel who I believe is the UK English voice  changed in its enhanced 
form a while back.  I do not know if it has been  improved, or better still  
when was the last  upgrade to  the Daniel voice?
I have an iPhone in the 5 family.  it is possiblethat  upgrading IOS 
itself, or the voice, if I can, will improve things.
for now though  the quality  clarity and pronunciation is rather dreadful.
I did not want siri, but apple accessibility, who was talking with the person  
helping me use the phone suggested the download because voiceover  itself was 
not working well according to them.
Siri, which was male in this case, sounded worse than the Daniel voice itself.
I believe? Nuance makes the apple voices.  Is there any way to reach them 
directly?
last of all, I understand there are other  options for voices,  with my 
wondering about direct contacts too, as I will have to walk someone else 
through  reaching them.
My situation is that since most software generated speech is in 

RE: PowerBeats.

[Simon A Fogarty]

I thought it was in the middle as the wire issn't overly long 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2020 2:03 AM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: PowerBeats.

Hi!
>From what i understand its on the right earpeice.
Not sure as i haven’t got them yet.
/A

> 23 mars 2020 kl. 09:15 skrev Simon A Fogarty :
> 
> I have a feeling that the wire has a small controller on it as well.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 10:57 AM
> To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: PowerBeats.
> 
> Hi!
> Yes.
> From what i understand they have a wire you put around your neck.
> /A
> 
>> 21 mars 2020 kl. 05:59 skrev Simon A Fogarty :
>> 
>> That's the new ones with the wire between the 2 ear pods?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>> Sent: Saturday, 21 March 2020 1:27 AM
>> To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: PowerBeats.
>> 
>> Hi!
>> So i’ve just ordered the new PowerBeats from Apple.
>> I think i will get them on Tuesday but we’ll see.
>> /A
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RE: Remoting into another Mac?

[Simon A Fogarty]

One way I found worked for me is to remotely connect to their machine and over 
the phone or facetime etc you can listen to voiceover speaking once you've 
enabled it.


The only way I know apart from the above is when you have a mac server in the 
middle which both machines are connected to and then activate voiceover on the 
remote machine to be able to listen on your machine 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2020 1:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Remoting into another Mac?

Ssh definitely works - command line only, of course.

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Remoting into another Mac?

Hi folks.
I’d like to help someone with there Mac.
I’ve heard of using TeamV vewer , and wondered if anyone had any ideas on the 
VoiceOver side of things?

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Re: OT: anybody on the list using Linux in VMWare or on a separate machine? Pls answer off list

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Hello,

A few years ago I had a go at trying to learn Linux but I failed and gave it 
up. I never quite parted with the idea of ever returning to it.  So firstly I’d 
like to find out what distro I could most reliably install in VMWare Fusion or 
on an old Del laptop from 2007 I think, and whether I could accomplish it 
without sighted help.  I’ve been doing a lot of research on it over the last 
few days given I have lost my work due to coronavirus and am having to stay at 
home.  When researching the accessibility of Linux, some say Fedora is better, 
others recommend Vinux or Sonar but both Vinux and Sonar have folded and have 
not been updated although some pages are still on the web.  Debian is supposed 
to be accessible and I tried the last distro but while I was able to start the 
installation after having burnt the .iso to cd with sighted help, the 
installation failed because I was unable to connect it to my wifi: Linux wasn’t 
finding the name of my wifi at home - something wrong maybe with drivers , 
goodness knows.  Debian is supposed to have Orca and Braille support.  So yes, 
if I could successfully install and run a Linux distro with orca and Braille, 
I’d like to have a go at learning Linux.  It’s a tantalizing prospect given 
linux reputation for stability and safety.  But I’m rather inexperienced in 
terminal or command line so maybe I will fail again.  Still, nothing ventured, 
nothing gained.  So if I could find out a bit on which distro might be best for 
me, and perhaps some contacts off the list to ask question, or even if a 
proficient linux user who’s blind has the time and would be willing at some 
point to give paid tutorials on Linux, I’d certainly feel more secure in this 
venture.  Linux requires a whole new vocabulary whose terms I’m trying to 
understand.

Andrew
> On 26 Mar 2020, at 06:33, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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> Several of us on this list are long time Linux users. What are you
> looking for?
> 
> 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries writes:
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>> environment or on a separate computer? Please email off list if you wouldn’t 
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Re: OT: anybody on the list using Linux in VMWare or on a separate machine? Pls answer off list

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Several of us on this list are long time Linux users. What are you
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Re: Zoom, and Voiceover accessibility information

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Does anyone know whether the rather nasty security flaw in the 2019 Mac
Zoom client has been thoroughly fixed?

I should hope it's now all in the past as the news is about a year old, but I
prefer caution to assumkption.

Threat report is here:

https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2019-13450


Here's a plain language story about this vulnerability from Yahoo:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/flaw-teleconferencing-app-zoom-could-17

Best,

Janina

PRAMIT BHARGAVA writes:
> Hi,
> 
> To use Zoom client with MacOS Catalina you will be prompted to authorize
> the Zoom Desktop Client to use the microphone, camera and screen recording
> because of increased security and permissions with Mac OS. You will also be
> prompted to allow the Zoom Desktop Client to allow others to remotely
> control your desktop. You can click OK during the initial request and you
> will be able to use your microphone and camera in Zoom.
> Below link with provide you with the necessary information and have also
> added the keyboard shortcuts for MacOS also:
> 
> https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/360016688031-Using-the-Zoom-Client-and-Zoom-Rooms-with-macOS
> 
> 
> 
> Command(⌘)+J  Join Meeting
> Command(⌘)+Control+V  Start Meeting
> Command(⌘)+J  Schedule Meeting
> Command(⌘)+Control+S  Screen Share via Direct Share
> Command(⌘)+Shift+A  Mute/unmute audio
> Command(⌘)+Control+M  Mute audio for everyone except the host (only
> available to the host)
> Command(⌘)+Control+U  Unmute audio for everyone except host (only available
> to the host)
> Space  Push to talk
> Command(⌘)+Shift+V  Start/stop video
> Command(⌘)+Shift+N  Switch camera
> Command(⌘)+Shift+S  Start/stop screen share
> Command(⌘)+Shift+T  Pause or resume screen share
> Command(⌘)+Shift+R  Start local recording
> Command(⌘)+Shift+C  Start cloud recording
> Command(⌘)+Shift+P  Pause or resume recording
> Command(⌘)+Shift+W  Switch to active speaker view or gallery view,
> depending on current view
> Control+P  View previous 25 participants in gallery view
> Control+N  View next 25 participants in gallery view
> Command(⌘)+U  Display/hide Participants panel
> Command(⌘)+Shift+H  Show/hide In-Meeting Chat Panel
> Command(⌘)+I  Open invite window
> Option+Y  Raise hand/lower hand
> Ctrl+Shift+R  Gain remote control
> Ctrl+Shift+G  Stop remote control
> Command(⌘)+Shift+F  Enter or exit full screen
> Command(⌘)+Shift+M  Switch to minimal window
> Ctrl+Option+Command+H  Show/hide meeting controls
> Ctrl+Shift+R  Gain remote control
> Ctrl+Shift+G  Stop remote control
> Ctrl+\  Toggle the "Always Show meeting controls" options in
> Settings/Accessibility
> Command(⌘)+W  Prompt to End or Leave Meeting
> Command(⌘)+K  Jump to chat with someone
> Command(⌘)+T  Screenshot
> Command(⌘)+W  Close the current window
> Command(⌘)+L  Switch to Portrait or Landscape View, depending on current
> view
> Ctrl+T  Switch from one tab to the next
> Hope this helps
> 
> Pramit
> 
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 3:09 AM Timothy Emmons  wrote:
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Re: Zoom, and Voiceover accessibility information

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Jonathen Mosen is offering a free audio book about using Zoom with
screen readers. His setup uses JFW, but also IOS and Voice Dream. Here's
the link:

https://mosen.org/zoom/

Zoom is considered one of the more accessible teleconference platforms
out there. And, they have a corporate policy supporting accessibility
that's been in place for some time. Read about that here:

https://zoom.us/accessibility#nested


Best,

Janina

Timothy Emmons writes:
> Good afternoon guys. I haven’t written in a while so I thought I might field 
> a question in hopes that somebody can help direct me where i need to go. I am 
> a librarian for the Library for the blind and Physically Handicapped here in 
> Alabama. I have a patron needing anything on voiceover and Zoom, things as 
> far as how to use it, how accessible etc. I’ve given him some pointers and 
> information but I don’t know how to host a Zoom conference, just join those 
> when I get invites and such. Are there instructions on using Zoom with 
> Voiceover either with Cattalina  or IOS so he can get started? He may be 
> hosting a few things from time to time so was just curious. Anything anyone 
> can come up with would be great. Thanks. 
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Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Apropos monitor or not, I note that a number of the high end reviews of
the 2018 Mini, and I think Apple itself talk in terms of some industrial
applications where a stack of Minis provide some kind of aggregate
service.

So, if these Minis are stackable in a server environment, it's highly
unlikely each and every one of them would have a monitor attached.
Things don't work like that in server rooms, imo.

Indeed, having shopped now for KVMs, the higher end of KVM gear supports
8 o 16 units via a rack mountable KVM switch. I guess that's at least a
dummy connection, I suppose.

Brad Snyder writes:
> To clarify, you are using a 2018 Mac mini without a monitor.  Are you using a 
> DVI or VGA to HDMI adapter plugged into the HDMI port to simulate the 
> presents of a monitor?
> I have been under the belief that either a monitor must be connected to a Mac 
> mini, or an adapter must be plugged into the HDMI port to simulate the 
> presents of a monitor.  I have been told this was the case on 2012 and 2014 
> minis.  Perhaps this is no longer the case with the 2018 model.
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 09:48, matthew dyer  
> wrote:
> 
> Alsa, a slite correction, you do not need to connect a monitor.  I am using a 
> mac mini 2018 just fine without one.  As for a usb keyboard, yes you should 
> be fine.  The windows key is your command key and your ault key is your 
> opsion key.  Outside of that, it will work.
>  
> Matthew
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>  
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> Sent from Mail  for Windows 10
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> From: Dave Carlson 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:14 AM
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> Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order
>  
> Note that even with a Windows keyboard, you can remap the keys so that 
> Options and Command are correctly positioned.
> 
> Dave Carlson
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Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

OK, Matthew. Thanks! While I plan to provide a monitor for my sighted
assistant, I'm happier not needing one, especially at the first.

Best,

Janina

matthew dyer writes:
> Alsa, a slite correction, you do not need to connect a monitor.  I am using a 
> mac mini 2018 just fine without one.  As for a usb keyboard, yes you should 
> be fine.  The windows key is your command key and your ault key is your 
> opsion key.  Outside of that, it will work.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 
> From: Dave Carlson
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:14 AM
> To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
> Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order
> 
> Note that even with a Windows keyboard, you can remap the keys so that 
> Options and Command are correctly positioned.
> 
> Dave Carlson
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Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Ah, fascinating.

I expect I will rework my setup to be directly driving at least three,
possibly four separate machines. I expect to put a modern, HDMI enabled
KVM in the path, and I've done shome KVM shopping but haven't ordered
anything yet.

It'll be interesting whether I end up with a PC keyboard or the Mac
bluetooth keyboard as my main work keyboard via the KVM. It appears
there is both Windows and Linux support for using a Mac keyboard. So,
I'll likely play around with each for awahile before settling on
something based on experience.

PS: In addition to the KVM I'm planning to upgrade my hardware audio
mixer. Still investigating good options there.

Best,

Janina

Dave Carlson writes:
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