RE: Mac Mini Now On Order

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Tim,

Yeah it always amazed me that the charging port was on the bottom which means 
no use when charging,
Mind you great battery life so charge when not using if youc an.

Yet the touch pad and that’s both versions have switchs on the back / charging 
ports on the back as well.

Odd but yes very ergodynamic

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Tuesday, 31 March 2020 4:24 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

Simon,

I would guess that it has to do with ergonomics and style.  They like to make 
sure that there is no unnecessary bulk to their devices.  Now, that being said, 
it is a huge inconvenience that the charging port is located where it is and 
have expressed it to many people I deal with.  I have not mentioned it to Apple 
though as I'm just a pee-on and my input doesn't mean a heck of a lot.  Good 
question though :).

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 30, 2020, at 02:21, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Actually Tim,

Answer me this one,

I’ve always wondered why apple put the lightening port on the bottom of the 
mouse meaning you can’t use it when it’s being charged,

Now we all think you know everything hence we call you apple god,

So why did that be done?

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Monday, 30 March 2020 4:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac Mini Now On Order

Hi,

To add to Brad's info, for the mouse, when bottom up so that you have access to 
the charging port, the port would be at six o'clock and the power switch would 
be at about 1 o'clock.  move the switch up to power on and down to power off.  
Similar to the keyboard as Brad explained, the initial pairing of the mouse can 
be done by plugging in the charge cable to your Mac.

HTH.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 29, 2020, at 01:29, Brad Snyder 
mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

The bluetooth keyboard is powered by an internal rechargeable battery.  A 
Lightning to USB-A cable is included with the keyboard for charging, just like 
an iPhone.  This cable can also be used for initial pairing with the mac mini.
The Lightning port is located dead-center along the top edge of the keyboard.  
The little slide switch you feel is used to turn power on/off.

If you purchased a Magic Bluetooth mouse, it also comes with a Lightning to 
USB-A cable for charging and initial pairing.  The Lightning port on the mouse 
is on the bottom side of the mouse.  It is hard to find, but it is located a 
little forward of center.  There may also be a power switch on the mouse, but 
I’m not sure where it is.  My wife has one of these units, but I don’t use one 
myself because I prefer to use a trackpad.

Battery life on both is pretty good.  Depending on your use, you may only need 
to charge the keyboard and mouse about once a month, of course your mileage may 
vary.

HTH

- Brad -

On Mar 29, 2020, at 01:46, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Thanks, Brad. This is incredibly valuable info to me.


Do you know about powering the bluetooth keyboard? I would imagine
there's some kind of batteries involved, but I can find nothing that
feels like a compartment for them. I feel the tiny little slide switch
on the upper right hand outer corner. But, my Airbook doesn't offer the
keyboard for pairing whichever slide position I have the keyboard switch
in.

Thanks!

Janina

Brad Snyder writes:


Janina,

The Mac mini’s power button is on the right rear corner.  You should have no 
trouble finding it.

I use an older Mac USB keyboard from 2006 on my mini, but my wife has a newer 
version on her iMac with the same layout as the newer full-size bluetooth 
keyboards.
The Qwerty area is pretty much the same as on your MB Air, with a few 
exceptions:
1.  The Fn key is relocated to the upper left corner of the “six pack” extended 
key area, where the Insert key is normally located.
2.  There are 3 keys on either side of the spacebar, so you get a second CTRL 
key.
3.  the Eject key is located to the right of the F12 key, same as on the MB 
Air's keyboard.
4.  There are additional F-keys located above the six-pack area and the NumPad 
area.  I have never found a use for these keys.

You can of course turn on VO’s keyboard help to explore the keyboard.
If you connect the USB keyboard to the Mac mini with the included USB to  
Lightning cable, it will automatically pair.  Same is true for a bluetooth 
mouse.

HTH

- Brad -


On Mar 28, 2020, at 05:37, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi, Bard:

I got the full ekyboard with numeric keypad. Despite that, it's still
quite compellingly compact.

I'm not sure

RE: A couple Terminal questions

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hey Andrew,

What you’ve done sounds great congrats,

And don’t become an alcoholic,
Become a drunkid

Alcoholics have to go to meetings

Drunkids just keep drinking.

From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Tuesday, 31 March 2020 7:08 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A couple Terminal questions

Hello Janina,

I think I’ve done it.  I’ve made TDSR talk with Daniel, British voice.  I’m 
exhausted and my nerves are jangling but I’m so glad.  by the time I become a 
mediocre cli user, I shall probably become an alcoholic too. 

I got the same warning message I’m pasting just underneath:
"You will encounter build failures with some formulae.
Please create pull requests instead of asking for help on Homebrew's GitHub,
Discourse, Twitter or IRC. You are responsible for resolving any issues you
experience while you are running this old version.”
But then I proceeded to reinstall python and as soon as I issued the command a 
brief message flashed across the screen saying updating Homebrew, so maybe 
Homebrew has been updated.  It would appear from what I’ve been reading on 
installation instructions that Sierra is supported but it says as best as 
possible. I guess Sierra was the first 64bit MacOs.  The rest of the 
installation went well and when I issued the final command ~/tdsr/tdsr I heard 
the familiar Daniel voice.  How fabulous!


On the same page, I’ve found instructions for installing TDSR on Linux, so I 
will try to do it too.  Should I be doing it as root?  By the way, talking of 
root, when I’m logged in as user, how do i find out whether I’ve given myself 
sudo privileges or not?  If not, can I still do it, or do I have to repeat the 
installation?  The instructions for linux tell me to install speech dispatcher 
and Python3.  Would I use the command. Install for them both and is speech 
dispatcher for installation purposes spelt as two words or one or with a hyphen?


Thank you very much again, Janina, for your help.  I’m a bit anxious having 
imposed on you and your time so do feel free to let me know if it’s too much.


Well, back to Joe Kissell’s Tutorial on Mastering the Command line in MacOS.  
Oh, one more thing.  I tried to change the shell in Terminal from Bash to Zsh 
with chsh /bin/zsh but it didn’t take.  Is it because I’m still running this 
Terminal on Sierra/. I’ve succeeded on my Catalina machine.

Andrew
On 30 Mar 2020, at 15:44, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi Again, Andrew:

Yeah, I can't say for sure, but I think I must have steered you to an
out of date repository.

I checked with my installation which runs as expected and got the
following pointer:

https://docs.brew.sh


If you go there and follow the Installation link, you should have up to
date instructions. They're definitely different! Like everyone else,
seems homebrew brews on github, too!

My guess is that it will say something about an out of date or partial
install, and ask to remove or overwrite it. You'll happily say yes!

Or, it will just do it.

Let me know how it goes.

Janina

'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries writes:

Hi, Andrew:

Homebrew should be fine with Sierra. It's possible the link in the page
you got from me was old. That would explain the error you got.

So, I'm thinking good clear instructions, but an old, out of date web
pointer.

I'll check that out for you. Meanwhile, there's no damage done. You just
don't have a usable homebrew. More soon.

Best,

Janina

'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries writes:

Dear Janina,

Ok, so I have gone ahead and installed Homebrew.  Everything seems to have gone 
ok apart from the fact that after executing the command to install Homebrew, I 
got a warning message saying that this installation was old and unsupported and 
whether I wanted to go ahead.  I ddid go ahead with it.  In the instructions on 
the web page it says to run the command Homebrew doctor to make sure whether 
the installation has been executed successfully.  I did run the command but 
obtained no feedback.  One point I should have clarified is that I have 
installed Homebrew on Mac OS Sierra I run on this particular machine.  I’m 
still in Sierra on this laptop because of the Greek voice which I need and 
which was broken in High Sierra and has not been fixed by Apple since although 
I’ve been reporting it for over 4 years.  So I(i have to keep this computer 
behind.  I might try to install Homebrew on Catalina later.

Janina, you say something about Nano editor.  Should I already have it on my 
mac, or do I need to download it?  I’ve paused going ahead with the rest of the 
instructions until I hear from you on Nano Editor.  Don’t want to break 
anything.  

Andrew

On 30 Mar 2020, at 10:59, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi, Andrew:

I can, and sbelow will, walk you through getting homebrew installed on
your Mac. It's just useful to have it.

What it does: Allows

RE: A couple Terminal questions

[Simon A Fogarty]

Janina,

It was some seriously bad shit we drunk,

 Thank god I was already blind,

Otherwise it might have done the damage 

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, 31 March 2020 2:12 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A couple Terminal questions

Oh, Simon, Simon !!
Perhaps coffee brew the next time? At least it isn't as likely ...

Simon A Fogarty writes:
> Well the last time I had home brew
> It made me really really ill,
> 
>  I was throwing up for hours.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Monday, 30 March 2020 10:47 PM
> To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: A couple Terminal questions
> 
> Hi!
> What does homebrew actually do?
> Is this a library or what?
> Thanks.
> /A
> 
> > 30 mars 2020 kl. 11:33 skrev 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
> > :
> > 
> > Janina,
> > 
> > I’ve looked carefully at Greg’s suggestion and then did a search for 
> > Homebrew and TDSR and since the only thing i understand about Python 
> > is that it is one of the programming languages, I thought I’m too 
> > green around the gills to even attempt to play around with TDSR in 
> > case I mess up my mac.  Would you agree? 
> > 
> > Andrew
> >> On 30 Mar 2020, at 06:32, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Thanks for the reminder, Greg. I'm just now starting the install of 
> >> TDSR. For me that means an update of homebrew, followed by an 
> >> upgrade of python3, and that is taking quite some time.
> >> 
> >> Hopeing the result will truly be easier to use than VO in the 
> >> terminal, as you suggest. That would be a good thing, imo.
> >> 
> >> Best,
> >> 
> >> Janina
> >> 
> >> Greg Wocher writes:
> >>> Hello,
> >>> You might want to try the TDSR console screen reader for Mac. It makes 
> >>> working with the terminal a bit easier. It can be found at:
> >>> https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr 
> >>> 
> >>> Greg Wocher
> >>> 
>  On Mar 29, 2020, at 10:21 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>   wrote:
>  
>  Hi,
>  
>  When working in Terminal and command line, is it possible to examine the 
>  window content with Voiceover?  Say , ls -l command produces a list of 
>  files in the directory I am in.  How can I examine each file and maybe 
>  even copy their names to clipboard or details about them if I were to 
>  use the -l flag, which would produce long information about each item.
>  
>  Secondly, reading a book on Command Line, one of the shortcut techniques 
>  the author teaches is to start typing the name of a directory to which 
>  one wishes to change and then pressing tab, which would result in 
>  Terminal completing the name or else giving a list of available names if 
>  there should be more than one.  This doesn’t seem to work.  When I press 
>  the tab, I hear the ominous bong bong.  So this technique doesn’t work.  
>  Any thoughts on this?
>  
>  andrew
>  
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Re: A couple Terminal questions

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Haha!  Good advice, Simon, which I have practised for some time now.  Now that 
we are in lockdown, one of the most upsetting thing in the supermarket were 
empty wine shelves, no beer for that matter either.  A consignment from Amazon 
arrived yesterday to help me with my Linux studies. Hee hee!  Gosh, this 
thread’s getting very useful and entertaining to boot.  I feel a bit bad having 
started it because it’s obviously only. marginally mac OS related.  The more I 
learn about Linux and cli, the more fascinating it becomes.  But I also become 
more and more anxious about my ability to get to any acceptable level, not that 
I want to run before I can walk.  It’s the sheer body of knowledge, the 
concepts and terms that I feel I haven’t got a solid grasp of, and there’s so 
much more.  So when I was doing the TDSR installation and saw some of the 
commands, it made my blood curdle.  I don’t want to give up without a good 
fight though.

Take care

Andrew
> On 31 Mar 2020, at 08:14, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hey Andrew,
>  
> What you’ve done sounds great congrats,
>  
> And don’t become an alcoholic,
> Become a drunkid 
>  
> Alcoholics have to go to meetings
>  
> Drunkids just keep drinking.
>  
> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Tuesday, 31 March 2020 7:08 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: A couple Terminal questions
>  
> Hello Janina,
>  
> I think I’ve done it.  I’ve made TDSR talk with Daniel, British voice.  I’m 
> exhausted and my nerves are jangling but I’m so glad.  by the time I become a 
> mediocre cli user, I shall probably become an alcoholic too.  
>  
> I got the same warning message I’m pasting just underneath:
> "You will encounter build failures with some formulae.
> Please create pull requests instead of asking for help on Homebrew's GitHub,
> Discourse, Twitter or IRC. You are responsible for resolving any issues you
> experience while you are running this old version.”
> But then I proceeded to reinstall python and as soon as I issued the command 
> a brief message flashed across the screen saying updating Homebrew, so maybe 
> Homebrew has been updated.  It would appear from what I’ve been reading on 
> installation instructions that Sierra is supported but it says as best as 
> possible. I guess Sierra was the first 64bit MacOs.  The rest of the 
> installation went well and when I issued the final command ~/tdsr/tdsr I 
> heard the familiar Daniel voice.  How fabulous!
> 
> 
> On the same page, I’ve found instructions for installing TDSR on Linux, so I 
> will try to do it too.  Should I be doing it as root?  By the way, talking of 
> root, when I’m logged in as user, how do i find out whether I’ve given myself 
> sudo privileges or not?  If not, can I still do it, or do I have to repeat 
> the installation?  The instructions for linux tell me to install speech 
> dispatcher and Python3.  Would I use the command. Install for them both and 
> is speech dispatcher for installation purposes spelt as two words or one or 
> with a hyphen?
> 
> 
> Thank you very much again, Janina, for your help.  I’m a bit anxious having 
> imposed on you and your time so do feel free to let me know if it’s too much.
> 
> 
> Well, back to Joe Kissell’s Tutorial on Mastering the Command line in MacOS.  
> Oh, one more thing.  I tried to change the shell in Terminal from Bash to Zsh 
> with chsh /bin/zsh but it didn’t take.  Is it because I’m still running this 
> Terminal on Sierra/. I’ve succeeded on my Catalina machine.
>  
> Andrew
> On 30 Mar 2020, at 15:44, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Hi Again, Andrew:
> 
> Yeah, I can't say for sure, but I think I must have steered you to an
> out of date repository.
> 
> I checked with my installation which runs as expected and got the
> following pointer:
> 
> https://docs.brew.sh 
> 
> 
> If you go there and follow the Installation link, you should have up to
> date instructions. They're definitely different! Like everyone else,
> seems homebrew brews on github, too!
> 
> My guess is that it will say something about an out of date or partial
> install, and ask to remove or overwrite it. You'll happily say yes!
> 
> Or, it will just do it.
> 
> Let me know how it goes.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries writes:
> 
> Hi, Andrew:
> 
> Homebrew should be fine with Sierra. It's possible the link in the page
> you got from me was old. That would explain the error you got.
> 
> So, I'm thinking good clear instructions, but an old, out of date web
> pointer.
> 
> I'll check that out for you. Meanwhile, there's no damage done. You just
> don't have a usable homebrew. More soon.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries writes:
> 
> Dear Janina,
> 
> Ok, so I have gone ahead and installed Homebrew.  Everything seems to 

Re: OT: anybody on the list using Linux in VMWare or on a separate machine? Pls answer off list

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Well, Maurice. You can't. You can only use your boot camp option for one
OS, and I didn't know you were already using your
bootcamp option for Windows. Don't think you said that before.


Honestly, you'll be better off saving up some money for a separate Linux
machine.

Sorry to say that, but virtual machines are fussy things. Besides,
VMware is always asking for money. Like every 6-9 months or so they push
you to buy yet another upgrade. You can, of course, try to ignore them,
but they don't make that easy.

And, if I understand, you're trying to run your systems via voice
command these days? Not sure how well that's going to work with a vm.

Best,

Janina

maurice mines writes:
> I downloaded the talking Arch linux. How due put in to boot camp ms windows 
> is already in bootcamp.
> Your friend Maurice Mines. Ps please forgive my bad spelling I am not using 
> Dragon to write this email.
> 
> > On Mar 30, 2020, at 18:18, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi, Maurice:
> > 
> > VoiceOver won't speak your Linux in a vm. For that you'll want either
> > good old Speakup or the newer Fenrir.
> > 
> > Beyond that it's really a question of where you'll be most comfortable.
> > Lots of blind folks are using both thos distributions.
> > 
> > If it matters I can tell you I'm not very good at setting up Ubuntu
> > these days. Arch I have and use all the time.
> > 
> > If you want a dual boot situation, you can install Linux inside a
> > bootcamp. Have you considered that?
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > maurice mines writes:
> >> Hi Unita, interesting take on the mailer situation and/or fix, did you 
> >> ever get my message about which distribution makes the best sense to run 
> >> on a virtual machine on the same computer as I only have one computer. And 
> >> one note taker.
> >> 
> >> I’m trying to decide between Ubuntu 19, or the talking arched Lennix 
> >> distribution that I downloaded. The issue with Ubuntu is getting some kind 
> >> of software speech out of it. Since I certainly cannot rely on VoiceOver, 
> >> or is there a way to make this work?
> >> 
> >> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
> >> 
> >>> On Mar 29, 2020, at 22:23, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Andrew:
> >>> 
> >>> I will attempt my own answer to your questions. Karen will likely have
> >>> her own answer for you.
> >>> 
> >>> I'm unaccustomed to hearing that term applied to a machine running a
> >>> Linux as it's one and only OS; however, it is true that you can do a lot
> >>> from the Linux CLI. Looking at the items in your list one by one:
> >>> 
> >>> email
> >>> 
> >>> Absolutely. Current best choice, imo, would be mutt for your user agent.
> >>> That's what I'm using write now to write this email to you.
> >>> 
> >>> You can run your complete email solution, in fact. You'll notice my
> >>> emails don't come from some third party, but rather from my own personal
> >>> domain, rednote.net, where I accept emails from the Internet and send
> >>> out via the Internet. I happen to use an application called sendmail as
> >>> my MTA, my "mail transfer agent." Were I starting from scratch today,
> >>> I'd probably rather go with postfix than sendmail.
> >>> 
> >>> Web browser
> >>> 
> >>> I still use lynx all the time. However, there's much it can't do today
> >>> for which a graphical-based browser is essential.
> >>> 
> >>> So the answer here is, "no."
> >>> 
> >>> document creation
> >>> 
> >>> Absolutely yes.
> >>> 
> >>> You will soon need to decide whether you're a vim or an emacs kind of
> >>> person. Those are the two top choices for character based editing tools
> >>> on the cli. There are a few others, but you really want to settle one
> >>> one or the other of these. The choice between these two is very much
> >>> about personal preference. Ask for advice and you risk retriggering the
> >>> oldest flame war in starnixland: i.e. star nix for *nix meaning all the
> >>> various flavors of unix like systems including Linux, and including the
> >>> BSD on which Apple is based.
> >>> 
> >>> You'll also use tools like pandoc and markdown.
> >>> 
> >>> Your senior level thesis will be written in latex, which you can then
> >>> use for the remainder of your days.
> >>> 
> >>> PS: I am also my own phone company via my Linux server. Yet another
> >>> story for another day.
> >>> 
> >>> Best,
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries writes:
>  I’m going to show my utter ignorance.  What do you mean by virgin only 
>  linux machine?  I don’t lack education but in computers/operating 
>  systems, I’m a baby so I need little steps.  So do you mean pure Linux?  
>  And does this exist?  Can we therefore run email, web browser, document 
>  creation like in an office suite only from command line? I’d like to 
>  think that and would happily work hard to attempt to learn.  Is this 
>  what’s meant?
>  
>  Andrew
> > On 29 Mar 2020, 

Re: A couple Terminal questions

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hey, Andrew. Good morning of another day to you from the U.S. East
Coast!

Is this thread Mac related? Yeah, we've mentioned Linux a lot, but the
truth is that almost all of what we've talked about applies to the Mac
Terminal. And, I think I've tried to point out where things in the
Terminal are the same, and where they're different. I know this list
doesn't to have a lot of discussion about the terminal, but I promise
you it's the power environment that Apple engineers use heavily.

A quick example:

The Mac utility for managing disks has both a graphical interface and a
cli interface. We've had lots of discussion here about Disk Utility, but
very little about diskutil. Guess which one can do more. And, should you
need one of those functions the graphical tool doesn't provide, your
only option is the cli.

Just to be complete, Linux doesn't have a diskutil, though it certainly
has tools for managing disks at that level. Apple's disk management is
quite sophisticated.

So, don't give up! You've just started, and you're learning fast. This
should become fairly soon as you learn more.

Lastly, get used to the idea that you'll never know it all. Not even
after 30 years of heavy use of the cli will you know it all. That needs
to be OK, and it should help provide perspective.

Best,

Janina

As she reaches for her coffee amaretto ...

'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Haha!  Good advice, Simon, which I have practised for some time now.  Now 
> that we are in lockdown, one of the most upsetting thing in the supermarket 
> were empty wine shelves, no beer for that matter either.  A consignment from 
> Amazon arrived yesterday to help me with my Linux studies. Hee hee!  Gosh, 
> this thread’s getting very useful and entertaining to boot.  I feel a bit bad 
> having started it because it’s obviously only. marginally mac OS related.  
> The more I learn about Linux and cli, the more fascinating it becomes.  But I 
> also become more and more anxious about my ability to get to any acceptable 
> level, not that I want to run before I can walk.  It’s the sheer body of 
> knowledge, the concepts and terms that I feel I haven’t got a solid grasp of, 
> and there’s so much more.  So when I was doing the TDSR installation and saw 
> some of the commands, it made my blood curdle.  I don’t want to give up 
> without a good fight though.
> 
> Take care
> 
> Andrew
> > On 31 Mar 2020, at 08:14, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> > 
> > Hey Andrew,
> >  
> > What you’ve done sounds great congrats,
> >  
> > And don’t become an alcoholic,
> > Become a drunkid 
> >  
> > Alcoholics have to go to meetings
> >  
> > Drunkids just keep drinking.
> >  
> > From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  > > 
> > Sent: Tuesday, 31 March 2020 7:08 AM
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> > Subject: Re: A couple Terminal questions
> >  
> > Hello Janina,
> >  
> > I think I’ve done it.  I’ve made TDSR talk with Daniel, British voice.  I’m 
> > exhausted and my nerves are jangling but I’m so glad.  by the time I become 
> > a mediocre cli user, I shall probably become an alcoholic too.  
> >  
> > I got the same warning message I’m pasting just underneath:
> > "You will encounter build failures with some formulae.
> > Please create pull requests instead of asking for help on Homebrew's GitHub,
> > Discourse, Twitter or IRC. You are responsible for resolving any issues you
> > experience while you are running this old version.”
> > But then I proceeded to reinstall python and as soon as I issued the 
> > command a brief message flashed across the screen saying updating Homebrew, 
> > so maybe Homebrew has been updated.  It would appear from what I’ve been 
> > reading on installation instructions that Sierra is supported but it says 
> > as best as possible. I guess Sierra was the first 64bit MacOs.  The rest of 
> > the installation went well and when I issued the final command ~/tdsr/tdsr 
> > I heard the familiar Daniel voice.  How fabulous!
> > 
> > 
> > On the same page, I’ve found instructions for installing TDSR on Linux, so 
> > I will try to do it too.  Should I be doing it as root?  By the way, 
> > talking of root, when I’m logged in as user, how do i find out whether I’ve 
> > given myself sudo privileges or not?  If not, can I still do it, or do I 
> > have to repeat the installation?  The instructions for linux tell me to 
> > install speech dispatcher and Python3.  Would I use the command. Install 
> > for them both and is speech dispatcher for installation purposes spelt as 
> > two words or one or with a hyphen?
> > 
> > 
> > Thank you very much again, Janina, for your help.  I’m a bit anxious having 
> > imposed on you and your time so do feel free to let me know if it’s too 
> > much.
> > 
> > 
> > Well, back to Joe Kissell’s Tutorial on Mastering the Command line in 
> > MacOS.  Oh, one more thing.  I tried to change the shell in Termi

Re: A couple Terminal questions

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

lol, Simon!

I shudder sometimes when I think of we used to do as minors to get
tipsy. Ever heard of adding lemon extract to soda? Or to what we hear in
the states bottle up as "Lemon Sour?" The extract is for baking, but it
comes in small bottles in the grocery store. It's also 80% or 90%
alcohol.

Talk about vile!

Simon, I'm just glad you weren't driving! 

Janina

Simon A Fogarty writes:
> Janina,
> 
> It was some seriously bad shit we drunk,
> 
>  Thank god I was already blind,
> 
> Otherwise it might have done the damage 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Tuesday, 31 March 2020 2:12 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A couple Terminal questions
> 
> Oh, Simon, Simon !!
> Perhaps coffee brew the next time? At least it isn't as likely ...
> 
> Simon A Fogarty writes:
> > Well the last time I had home brew
> > It made me really really ill,
> > 
> >  I was throwing up for hours.
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> >  On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> > Sent: Monday, 30 March 2020 10:47 PM
> > To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> > Subject: Re: A couple Terminal questions
> > 
> > Hi!
> > What does homebrew actually do?
> > Is this a library or what?
> > Thanks.
> > /A
> > 
> > > 30 mars 2020 kl. 11:33 skrev 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
> > > :
> > > 
> > > Janina,
> > > 
> > > I’ve looked carefully at Greg’s suggestion and then did a search for 
> > > Homebrew and TDSR and since the only thing i understand about Python 
> > > is that it is one of the programming languages, I thought I’m too 
> > > green around the gills to even attempt to play around with TDSR in 
> > > case I mess up my mac.  Would you agree? 
> > > 
> > > Andrew
> > >> On 30 Mar 2020, at 06:32, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > >>  wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> Thanks for the reminder, Greg. I'm just now starting the install of 
> > >> TDSR. For me that means an update of homebrew, followed by an 
> > >> upgrade of python3, and that is taking quite some time.
> > >> 
> > >> Hopeing the result will truly be easier to use than VO in the 
> > >> terminal, as you suggest. That would be a good thing, imo.
> > >> 
> > >> Best,
> > >> 
> > >> Janina
> > >> 
> > >> Greg Wocher writes:
> > >>> Hello,
> > >>> You might want to try the TDSR console screen reader for Mac. It makes 
> > >>> working with the terminal a bit easier. It can be found at:
> > >>> https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr 
> > >>> 
> > >>> Greg Wocher
> > >>> 
> >  On Mar 29, 2020, at 10:21 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
> >   wrote:
> >  
> >  Hi,
> >  
> >  When working in Terminal and command line, is it possible to examine 
> >  the window content with Voiceover?  Say , ls -l command produces a 
> >  list of files in the directory I am in.  How can I examine each file 
> >  and maybe even copy their names to clipboard or details about them if 
> >  I were to use the -l flag, which would produce long information about 
> >  each item.
> >  
> >  Secondly, reading a book on Command Line, one of the shortcut 
> >  techniques the author teaches is to start typing the name of a 
> >  directory to which one wishes to change and then pressing tab, which 
> >  would result in Terminal completing the name or else giving a list of 
> >  available names if there should be more than one.  This doesn’t seem 
> >  to work.  When I press the tab, I hear the ominous bong bong.  So this 
> >  technique doesn’t work.  Any thoughts on this?
> >  
> >  andrew
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Interesting find

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Lists,

I'm happy to be wronged here but just looking at the Nz aus and usA 
www.apple sites,

There is no longer an option to purchase the iphone 8 or 8+ devices

They are still listed  but there is no obvious buy now button.

I would think this sets them up to release the newer device of which we can 
only assume is the sE 2 or iPhone 9.

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Re: A couple Terminal questions

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

And a very good morning to you too, Janina, from the UK.  You must be up early.

Thank you for your encouragement.  I know, yes, I’m impatient and thinking that 
I’ve lived for more than 6 decades, I am still the same.  Ha!  Some things 
don’t change.  I won’t give up in a hurry.  It took me 7 years of hard work to 
learn modern Greek properly to the level at which I can follow radio & tv 
without a problem and read literature, newspapers, websites in Greek and feel 
comfortable.  So I will give Linux and cli a good shot.

I’ve just done a quick research on what it means uncomment something ; you used 
this term in the most recent response to me.  I think I’ve found the answer.  
It’s to do with config files where you either insert a number sign at start of 
line so that it is ignored, or remove the number sign so that it becomes 
visible to the computer.  Is that right?  What editor would you use to edit 
such files both in Terminal and in cli in Linux?  Are such editors already 
there, or are they to be installed?

Anyway, by the sound of it you had a hell of a busy day yesterday.  Hope you 
had rested and that your groceries had arrived.

Well, I’m just researching how to; enable Speakup in the console on Linux and 
how to make it play with Orca.  Somebody elsewhere mentioned it was possible 
and spoke of having to do something with pulseaudio.

Have a good day.

Andrew
> On 31 Mar 2020, at 10:30, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey, Andrew. Good morning of another day to you from the U.S. East
> Coast!
> 
> Is this thread Mac related? Yeah, we've mentioned Linux a lot, but the
> truth is that almost all of what we've talked about applies to the Mac
> Terminal. And, I think I've tried to point out where things in the
> Terminal are the same, and where they're different. I know this list
> doesn't to have a lot of discussion about the terminal, but I promise
> you it's the power environment that Apple engineers use heavily.
> 
> A quick example:
> 
> The Mac utility for managing disks has both a graphical interface and a
> cli interface. We've had lots of discussion here about Disk Utility, but
> very little about diskutil. Guess which one can do more. And, should you
> need one of those functions the graphical tool doesn't provide, your
> only option is the cli.
> 
> Just to be complete, Linux doesn't have a diskutil, though it certainly
> has tools for managing disks at that level. Apple's disk management is
> quite sophisticated.
> 
> So, don't give up! You've just started, and you're learning fast. This
> should become fairly soon as you learn more.
> 
> Lastly, get used to the idea that you'll never know it all. Not even
> after 30 years of heavy use of the cli will you know it all. That needs
> to be OK, and it should help provide perspective.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> As she reaches for her coffee amaretto ...
> 
> 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries writes:
>> Haha!  Good advice, Simon, which I have practised for some time now.  Now 
>> that we are in lockdown, one of the most upsetting thing in the supermarket 
>> were empty wine shelves, no beer for that matter either.  A consignment from 
>> Amazon arrived yesterday to help me with my Linux studies. Hee hee!  Gosh, 
>> this thread’s getting very useful and entertaining to boot.  I feel a bit 
>> bad having started it because it’s obviously only. marginally mac OS 
>> related. The more I learn about Linux and cli, the more fascinating it 
>> becomes.  But I also become more and more anxious about my ability to get to 
>> any acceptable level, not that I want to run before I can walk.  It’s the 
>> sheer body of knowledge, the concepts and terms that I feel I haven’t got a 
>> solid grasp of, and there’s so much more.  So when I was doing the TDSR 
>> installation and saw some of the commands, it made my blood curdle.  I don’t 
>> want to give up without a good fight though.
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On 31 Mar 2020, at 08:14, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Andrew,
>>> 
>>> What you’ve done sounds great congrats,
>>> 
>>> And don’t become an alcoholic,
>>> Become a drunkid 
>>> 
>>> Alcoholics have to go to meetings
>>> 
>>> Drunkids just keep drinking.
>>> 
>>> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries >> >>  >> 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 31 March 2020 7:08 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> >>  >
>>> Subject: Re: A couple Terminal questions
>>> 
>>> Hello Janina,
>>> 
>>> I think I’ve done it.  I’ve made TDSR talk with Daniel, British voice.  I’m 
>>> exhausted and my nerves are jangling but I’m so glad.  by the time I become 
>>> a mediocre cli user, I shall probably become an alcoholic too.  
>>> 
>>> I got the same warning message I’m pasting just underneath:
>>

Re: Best way to do recorded remote interviews

[KliphnShari Miller]

Anchor is a great app, but I think it is for IOS and android only.  But you can 
export the audio 


> On Mar 30, 2020, at 3:04 PM, Eric Caron  wrote:
> 
> Hi listers,
> 
>   I’d like to do remote interviews and record them.  I would need to have 
> the format in a form I could edit on something like Amadeus Pro. 
> 
> I suspect there are people out there on this list, with experience doing this 
> for podcasts and other audio productions. 
> 
> What would be a good tool to use.  I have a Mac book pro, Audio Hijack 
> Amadeus Pro, and I could get a Zoom account or use Skype or FaceTime 
> depending on the person I’m interviewing.  Most will have access to a iPhone 
> but I can’t be sure of other peoples technology.
> 
> Recommendations are appreciated.
> 
> Eric Caron 
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Re: A couple Terminal questions

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, Andrew:

Yes, you got it on comments. Usually the hash symbol at the beginning of
a line. Your description is correct.

Note that some environments use the semi-colon rather than the hash; and
some use either.

Example of semi-colon use would be the DNS files, starting with
/etc/named.conf and the various zone files, nowadays in /var/named --
that's if you do your own dns!

For speakup you want espeak and the espeakup connector.

There's argument whether pulseaudio is a good thing or a bad thing. Some
of us avoid it like the plague, and it is on the way to deprecation for
a new system, but the new isn't ready for prime time yet. Audio on Linux
has been a mess forever. It's a dirty little Linux secret.

Mac gets it right.

Be sure you upgrade to the latest kernels, because there's been a nasty
bug in speakup that's just recently fixed. On Arch the fix is present in
kernel 5.5.13.

Best,

Janina

'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries writes:
> And a very good morning to you too, Janina, from the UK.  You must be up 
> early.
> 
> Thank you for your encouragement.  I know, yes, I’m impatient and thinking 
> that I’ve lived for more than 6 decades, I am still the same.  Ha!  Some 
> things don’t change.  I won’t give up in a hurry.  It took me 7 years of hard 
> work to learn modern Greek properly to the level at which I can follow radio 
> & tv without a problem and read literature, newspapers, websites in Greek and 
> feel comfortable.  So I will give Linux and cli a good shot.
> 
> I’ve just done a quick research on what it means uncomment something ; you 
> used this term in the most recent response to me.  I think I’ve found the 
> answer.  It’s to do with config files where you either insert a number sign 
> at start of line so that it is ignored, or remove the number sign so that it 
> becomes visible to the computer.  Is that right?  What editor would you use 
> to edit such files both in Terminal and in cli in Linux?  Are such editors 
> already there, or are they to be installed?
> 
> Anyway, by the sound of it you had a hell of a busy day yesterday.  Hope you 
> had rested and that your groceries had arrived.
> 
> Well, I’m just researching how to; enable Speakup in the console on Linux and 
> how to make it play with Orca.  Somebody elsewhere mentioned it was possible 
> and spoke of having to do something with pulseaudio.
> 
> Have a good day.
> 
> Andrew
> > On 31 Mar 2020, at 10:30, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hey, Andrew. Good morning of another day to you from the U.S. East
> > Coast!
> > 
> > Is this thread Mac related? Yeah, we've mentioned Linux a lot, but the
> > truth is that almost all of what we've talked about applies to the Mac
> > Terminal. And, I think I've tried to point out where things in the
> > Terminal are the same, and where they're different. I know this list
> > doesn't to have a lot of discussion about the terminal, but I promise
> > you it's the power environment that Apple engineers use heavily.
> > 
> > A quick example:
> > 
> > The Mac utility for managing disks has both a graphical interface and a
> > cli interface. We've had lots of discussion here about Disk Utility, but
> > very little about diskutil. Guess which one can do more. And, should you
> > need one of those functions the graphical tool doesn't provide, your
> > only option is the cli.
> > 
> > Just to be complete, Linux doesn't have a diskutil, though it certainly
> > has tools for managing disks at that level. Apple's disk management is
> > quite sophisticated.
> > 
> > So, don't give up! You've just started, and you're learning fast. This
> > should become fairly soon as you learn more.
> > 
> > Lastly, get used to the idea that you'll never know it all. Not even
> > after 30 years of heavy use of the cli will you know it all. That needs
> > to be OK, and it should help provide perspective.
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > As she reaches for her coffee amaretto ...
> > 
> > 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries writes:
> >> Haha!  Good advice, Simon, which I have practised for some time now.  Now 
> >> that we are in lockdown, one of the most upsetting thing in the 
> >> supermarket were empty wine shelves, no beer for that matter either.  A 
> >> consignment from Amazon arrived yesterday to help me with my Linux 
> >> studies. Hee hee!  Gosh, this thread’s getting very useful and 
> >> entertaining to boot.  I feel a bit bad having started it because it’s 
> >> obviously only. marginally mac OS related. The more I learn about Linux 
> >> and cli, the more fascinating it becomes.  But I also become more and more 
> >> anxious about my ability to get to any acceptable level, not that I want 
> >> to run before I can walk.  It’s the sheer body of knowledge, the concepts 
> >> and terms that I feel I haven’t got a solid grasp of, and there’s so much 
> >> more.  So when I was doing the TDSR installation and saw some of the 
> >> commands, it made my blood curdle.  I don

Logit pro Vo tutorials.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Has anyone found a tutorial for the logic pro x with VoiceOver?
I really would like to use my birthday present i gave my self last year.
/A

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Re: Interesting find

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Be happy then Simon for you are wrong. It is way to early to be 
speculating. iPhone 8+ starts at $549.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 3/31/2020 2:57 AM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:

Hi Lists,

I’m happy to be wronged here but just looking at the Nz aus and usA 
www.apple  sites,


There is no longer an option to purchase the iphone 8 or 8+ devices

They are still listed  but there is no obvious buy now button.

I would think this sets them up to release the newer device of which we 
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thermometers?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

Somehow, my husband and I have managed to get through life without ever owning 
a thermometer. Needless to say, we're trying to buy one now-I know, it's a long 
shot. Anyway, my question for the list is are any of you using a thermometer 
with an IOS app that you would recommend?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: thermometers?

[Dave Carlson]

Long time ago I bought a talking fever thermometer (presume you’re talking 
about that type) from Ann Morris. Likely ILA or Maxi-Aids will have one.


Dave Carlson
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Re: thermometers?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Checked Maxi-Aids. They are completely sold out.
Donna


> On Mar 31, 2020, at 10:14 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Long time ago I bought a talking fever thermometer (presume you’re talking 
> about that type) from Ann Morris. Likely ILA or Maxi-Aids will have one.
> 
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> Dave Carlson
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Re: thermometers?

[Dave Carlson]

Not at all surprising. Sort of like toilet paper.

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Re: OT: anybody on the list using Linux in VMWare or on a separate machine? Pls answer off list

[maurice mines]

Good morning, unfortunately there were many reasons in my world where Windows 
must stay. And unfortunately it cannot be moved and no I don’t have money to 
buy another machine.

First reason vocational rehabilitation does in fact these days in the US 
strongly encourage if not require people to have Windows. That is the path to 
employment. Slowly but surely folk rehab and Social Security are now on the 
same page. One must really be working towards employment. Unemployment beats a 
check.

I would love to take my Windows section on my hard drive and virtualize it. 
Except for this big issue, amateur radio handheld radio software. It does all 
Windows based. Amateur radio manufacturers also note that Windows is what they 
believe 98% of all amateur radio operators in the US run. As well as a 
significant amount of overseas operators. In other words I sell that to say 
this the industry is Windows-based and is likely to be so indefinitely.

Accessibility. Braille displays unless much as changed are really usable in 
Lenox especially if your display is Bluetooth.

Finally the above issues with VMware and the fact that one must take the entire 
boot camp area of the hard drive, and copy those contents to your existing OS X 
partition in order to virtualize that is a big barrier if you have a hard drive 
that is not huge. In other words I only have 256 gig available to me. Perhaps 
in the new Mac that will happen probably before the end of this calendar year. 
I’m hoping to upgrade to a 512 or even 1 TB drive. At that point virtualizing 
Windows will be easier, and then I will see how many trade-offs I must make in 
order to make it work. So here’s hoping that the future for me is brighter when 
it comes to computer hardware.

In closing let me speak to the ability to afford a second machine. Because I am 
now deaf blind and I wasn’t three years ago. I am unfortunately a student 
again. Unfortunately this is not by choice. But by medical necessity. And 
quality of life. In other words this is the way life is going to be for me 
there is no changing it. Yes I can go get a curricular implant but I want to 
wait until that becomes medically necessary. Not a cosmetic surgery. Hope this 
helps. And for those on the list please excuse the length of this post and how 
detailed this post is. But I figured this was the best way to respond and also 
educate. Being deaf blind is certainly not what popular culture might equate me 
to the large figure in history Helen Keller. There was no technology in the 
late 19th and early 20 centuries. Today there is technology that can someone 
equal playing field. Here’s hoping that this improves.

Please note my portion of this email has been dictated to the machine by means 
of dictation software. The software is only been used for the dictation of 
Britain text not typed commands. If there’s something you don’t understand, 
please ask me what my original intent was, I will do my very best to clear up 
any misunderstandings. Thank you for reading this. Note number two I’m 
including my official signature here just because it’s the easiest to go to the 
fine. My views that I’ve expressed in my written portion of this email are mine 
alone they do not reflect the views currently held by the board of the national 
Federation of the blind deaf blind dictation of which I am a member of. I look 
forward to hearing/reading any comments and/or suggestions that persons who 
read this may have. I can answer most questions. And the ones that I can’t 
answer I will go find the answer to.
 
Amateur callsign kd0iko.
Maurice Mines, Board Member 
National Federation of the Blind Deaf-Blind Division 
Email: boa...@nfbdeaf-blind.org  
Website: www.nfbdeaf-blind.org  
Live the life you want. 
The National Federation of the Blind Deaf-Blind Division, a proud division 
of the National Federation of the Blind, is a community of members and 
friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind. Every day 
we work together to help blind people live the lives they want.


> On Mar 31, 2020, at 02:20, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, Maurice. You can't. You can only use your boot camp option for one
> OS, and I didn't know you were already using your
> bootcamp option for Windows. Don't think you said that before.
> 
> 
> Honestly, you'll be better off saving up some money for a separate Linux
> machine.
> 
> Sorry to say that, but virtual machines are fussy things. Besides,
> VMware is always asking for money. Like every 6-9 months or so they push
> you to buy yet another upgrade. You can, of course, try to ignore them,
> but they don't make that easy.
> 
> And, if I understand, you're trying to run your systems via voice
> command these days? Not sure how well that's going to work with a vm.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> maurice mines writes:
>> I downloaded the talking Arch linux. How due put in to boot cam

Re: Interesting find

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Yes, I spotted them in the Apple store on my iPhone as well. But ET, Don’t 
quote the price as it would be great if they were that cheep in NZ dollars, 
They are over $800 here, closer to 9. 

> On 1/04/2020, at 04:05, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   Be happy then Simon for you are wrong. It is way to early to be 
> speculating. iPhone 8+ starts at $549.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 3/31/2020 2:57 AM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
>> Hi Lists,
>> I’m happy to be wronged here but just looking at the Nz aus and usA 
>> www.apple  sites,
>> There is no longer an option to purchase the iphone 8 or 8+ devices
>> They are still listed  but there is no obvious buy now button.
>> I would think this sets them up to release the newer device of which we can 
>> only assume is the sE 2 or iPhone 9.
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RE: OT: anybody on the list using Linux in VMWare or on a separate machine? Pls answer off list

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of maurice mines
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 11:08 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: OT: anybody on the list using Linux in VMWare or on a separate 
machine? Pls answer off list

Good morning, unfortunately there were many reasons in my world where Windows 
must stay. And unfortunately it cannot be moved and no I don’t have money to 
buy another machine.

First reason vocational rehabilitation does in fact these days in the US 
strongly encourage if not require people to have Windows. That is the path to 
employment. Slowly but surely folk rehab and Social Security are now on the 
same page. One must really be working towards employment. Unemployment beats a 
check.

I would love to take my Windows section on my hard drive and virtualize it. 
Except for this big issue, amateur radio handheld radio software. It does all 
Windows based. Amateur radio manufacturers also note that Windows is what they 
believe 98% of all amateur radio operators in the US run. As well as a 
significant amount of overseas operators. In other words I sell that to say 
this the industry is Windows-based and is likely to be so indefinitely.

Accessibility. Braille displays unless much as changed are really usable in 
Lenox especially if your display is Bluetooth.

Finally the above issues with VMware and the fact that one must take the entire 
boot camp area of the hard drive, and copy those contents to your existing OS X 
partition in order to virtualize that is a big barrier if you have a hard drive 
that is not huge. In other words I only have 256 gig available to me. Perhaps 
in the new Mac that will happen probably before the end of this calendar year. 
I’m hoping to upgrade to a 512 or even 1 TB drive. At that point virtualizing 
Windows will be easier, and then I will see how many trade-offs I must make in 
order to make it work. So here’s hoping that the future for me is brighter when 
it comes to computer hardware.

In closing let me speak to the ability to afford a second machine. Because I am 
now deaf blind and I wasn’t three years ago. I am unfortunately a student 
again. Unfortunately this is not by choice. But by medical necessity. And 
quality of life. In other words this is the way life is going to be for me 
there is no changing it. Yes I can go get a curricular implant but I want to 
wait until that becomes medically necessary. Not a cosmetic surgery. Hope this 
helps. And for those on the list please excuse the length of this post and how 
detailed this post is. But I figured this was the best way to respond and also 
educate. Being deaf blind is certainly not what popular culture might equate me 
to the large figure in history Helen Keller. There was no technology in the 
late 19th and early 20 centuries. Today there is technology that can someone 
equal playing field. Here’s hoping that this improves.

Please note my portion of this email has been dictated to the machine by means 
of dictation software. The software is only been used for the dictation of 
Britain text not typed commands. If there’s something you don’t understand, 
please ask me what my original intent was, I will do my very best to clear up 
any misunderstandings. Thank you for reading this. Note number two I’m 
including my official signature here just because it’s the easiest to go to the 
fine. My views that I’ve expressed in my written portion of this email are mine 
alone they do not reflect the views currently held by the board of the national 
Federation of the blind deaf blind dictation of which I am a member of. I look 
forward to hearing/reading any comments and/or suggestions that persons who 
read this may have. I can answer most questions. And the ones that I can’t 
answer I will go find the answer to.
 
Amateur callsign kd0iko.
Maurice Mines, Board Member 
National Federation of the Blind Deaf-Blind Division 
Email: boa...@nfbdeaf-blind.org  
Website: www.nfbdeaf-blind.org  
Live the life you want. 
The National Federation of the Blind Deaf-Blind Division, a proud division 
of the National Federation of the Blind, is a community of members and 
friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind. Every day 
we work together to help blind people live the lives they want.



On Mar 31, 2020, at 02:20, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Well, Maurice. You can't. You can only use your boot camp option for one
OS, and I didn't know you were already using your
bootcamp option for Windows. Don't think you said that before.


Honestly, you'll be better off saving up some money for a separate Linux
machine.

Sorry to say that, but virtual machines are fussy things. Besides,
VMware is always asking for money. Like every 6-9 months or so 

Linksys Velop Mesh

[Joy Cyr]

Good morning,
I will shortly be receiving my new Linksys Velop.  It is the first "router" 
that I will be setting up on my own.  I have downloaded the app to my iPhone.  
I am only using the one mesh.   It will be connected to my iMac.  Is there 
anythning I should be aware of (to do or not do) before I get started on this 
solo adventure?  I'm a little nervous since if anything does go wrong I cannot 
have anyone come to  assist me in person.

Thank you very much for all and any advice and suggestions.
Joy

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