RE: iPad Os 13.4 battery usage

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah 2 or 3 times and updated earlier today to 13.4.1 but still the power 
drains.

Might just hit it with my hammer and see what happens.
Cheers.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Thursday, 9 April 2020 2:50 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPad Os 13.4 battery usage

I’m assuming you’ve done the good old restart of the device?
Did you update too 13.4.1?
It’ll be interesting if you find anything.


On 9/04/2020, at 14:37, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Well I’ve had the iPad on charge all night and got up this morning then 
unplugged it about 8:30am,

It’s now 2:30pm
So 4 hours just sitting with the bt keyboard closed and iPad therefore on stand 
by, and I’ve already without using it dropped 12% battery power
So no use 3 % per hour is the average.

I’m going to go through the device entirely over the weekend and see if I can 
figure out what’s causing the excessive usage.

The phone seems to be fine,


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Sent: Wednesday, 8 April 2020 9:53 PM
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Subject: Re: iPad Os 13.4 battery usage

Seeing the same thing on my mini 5. My iphone is also draining fast but I'm 
having to use teams for work and think that's part of the reason.
Sent from my iPhone



On Apr 8, 2020, at 4:56 AM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Lists,

Did anyone notice when they updated to iPad os 13.4 that it’s battery usage 
went off the dial?

I’ve got an ipad mini 5 that has gone through 2 full battery charges in the 
passed 4 days

And that’s when it’s been sitting on stand by in it’s sleve for all but a 
couple of hours,

I can’t see that the new Brydge .9” Bluetooth keyboard I received on Monday 
would have sucked the life out of the ipad.
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RE: Installing Zoom on the Mac

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah it’s a great little tool

I have another zoom meeting tonight at 7:30
Or should that be zoom party a 60th birthday.

Should be interesting,
At leat no one will have to drive home drunk.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Thursday, 9 April 2020 12:35 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Installing Zoom on the Mac

Thanks Simon,
We got it sorted and had our Zoom meeting this morning.


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mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Petrus,

You / your wife should be able to see an item pop up in the top right corner of 
the screen I think it says allow.

Or under system preferences,
Security / privacy
Under the general tab
Unlock it and click allow.

I’m guessing I’m late in the reply but it should come back to you quickly when 
you try it.

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Sent: Wednesday, 8 April 2020 11:20 AM
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Subject: Installing Zoom on the Mac

Hi all,
We are going to try and install The Zoom App on my wife’s Mac and I know with 
Catalina one needs to verify an app or something like that once it is installed 
as part of the security. How does one do this again. I’m not Overly worried 
about VoiceOver accessibility as my wife doesn’t use it. However we might turn 
on VoiceOver while we are installing it and setting it up so I can help her.
Thanks in advance,
Petrus
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RE: iPad Os 13.4 battery usage

[Simon A Fogarty]

Don’t thank me yet,

I’m not seeing a big change after going to 13.4.1 this morning,

But yet my phone is working fine



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Thursday, 9 April 2020 10:31 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPad Os 13.4 battery usage

Hey Simon,
Thanks for the heads up, I’ll avoid updating my wife’s iPad for now. Unless 
13.4.1  fixes it.


On 8/04/2020, at 20:56, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Lists,

Did anyone notice when they updated to iPad os 13.4 that it’s battery usage 
went off the dial?

I’ve got an ipad mini 5 that has gone through 2 full battery charges in the 
passed 4 days

And that’s when it’s been sitting on stand by in it’s sleve for all but a 
couple of hours,

I can’t see that the new Brydge .9” Bluetooth keyboard I received on Monday 
would have sucked the life out of the ipad.

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Re: iPad Os 13.4 battery usage

[Petrus Tuerlings]

I’m assuming you’ve done the good old restart of the device?
Did you update too 13.4.1?
It’ll be interesting if you find anything.

> On 9/04/2020, at 14:37, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Well I’ve had the iPad on charge all night and got up this morning then 
> unplugged it about 8:30am,
>  
> It’s now 2:30pm 
> So 4 hours just sitting with the bt keyboard closed and iPad therefore on 
> stand by, and I’ve already without using it dropped 12% battery power
> So no use 3 % per hour is the average.
>  
> I’m going to go through the device entirely over the weekend and see if I can 
> figure out what’s causing the excessive usage.
>  
> The phone seems to be fine,
>  
>  
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  >On Behalf Of joseph hodge
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 April 2020 9:53 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Cc: public-beta-us...@groups.io 
> Subject: Re: iPad Os 13.4 battery usage
>  
> Seeing the same thing on my mini 5. My iphone is also draining fast but I'm 
> having to use teams for work and think that's part of the reason. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Apr 8, 2020, at 4:56 AM, Simon A Fogarty  > wrote:
> 
>  
> Hi Lists,
>  
> Did anyone notice when they updated to iPad os 13.4 that it’s battery usage 
> went off the dial?
>  
> I’ve got an ipad mini 5 that has gone through 2 full battery charges in the 
> passed 4 days
>  
> And that’s when it’s been sitting on stand by in it’s sleve for all but a 
> couple of hours,
>  
> I can’t see that the new Brydge .9” Bluetooth keyboard I received on Monday 
> would have sucked the life out of the ipad.
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RE: iPad Os 13.4 battery usage

[Simon A Fogarty]

Well I’ve had the iPad on charge all night and got up this morning then 
unplugged it about 8:30am,

It’s now 2:30pm
So 4 hours just sitting with the bt keyboard closed and iPad therefore on stand 
by, and I’ve already without using it dropped 12% battery power
So no use 3 % per hour is the average.

I’m going to go through the device entirely over the weekend and see if I can 
figure out what’s causing the excessive usage.

The phone seems to be fine,


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Wednesday, 8 April 2020 9:53 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Cc: public-beta-us...@groups.io
Subject: Re: iPad Os 13.4 battery usage

Seeing the same thing on my mini 5. My iphone is also draining fast but I'm 
having to use teams for work and think that's part of the reason.
Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 8, 2020, at 4:56 AM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Lists,

Did anyone notice when they updated to iPad os 13.4 that it’s battery usage 
went off the dial?

I’ve got an ipad mini 5 that has gone through 2 full battery charges in the 
passed 4 days

And that’s when it’s been sitting on stand by in it’s sleve for all but a 
couple of hours,

I can’t see that the new Brydge .9” Bluetooth keyboard I received on Monday 
would have sucked the life out of the ipad.
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Re: Installing Zoom on the Mac

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Thanks Simon,
We got it sorted and had our Zoom meeting this morning. 

> On 8/04/2020, at 18:58, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi Petrus,
>  
> You / your wife should be able to see an item pop up in the top right corner 
> of the screen I think it says allow.
>  
> Or under system preferences,
> Security / privacy 
> Under the general tab
> Unlock it and click allow.
>  
> I’m guessing I’m late in the reply but it should come back to you quickly 
> when you try it.
>  
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On 
> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 April 2020 11:20 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Installing Zoom on the Mac
>  
> Hi all,
> We are going to try and install The Zoom App on my wife’s Mac and I know with 
> Catalina one needs to verify an app or something like that once it is 
> installed as part of the security. How does one do this again. I’m not Overly 
> worried about VoiceOver accessibility as my wife doesn’t use it. However we 
> might turn on VoiceOver while we are installing it and setting it up so I can 
> help her.
> Thanks in advance,
> Petrus 
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Re: how to recover Mail sent sound

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Well this isn’t going to be very helpful, but when I first got my Mac well over 
a year ago the swish sound for outgoing mail was very quiet and I could hardly 
hear it, somehow I managed to fix it but can’t remember how. What if you 
pressed the volume up key straight after you send mail?  

> On 9/04/2020, at 04:01, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> hi,
> 
> The send mail sound is called "Swoosh".  You won't find it in the Sound 
> Effects pane though.  I don't believe that you can set individual alert sound 
> volumes though.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
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> On Apr 8, 2020, at 08:42, Paul Hopewell  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim ,
> I tried unchecking and rechecking play other mail sounds as you suggested.  
> If I listen very carefully I do hear the mail sent sound but it is very  very 
> quiet. So I went to system preferences and sounds and sound effects which 
> showed a table of built in sound effects. I presumed that I could change the 
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> Also what is the mail sent sound called?
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Re: iPad Os 13.4 battery usage

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hey Simon,
Thanks for the heads up, I’ll avoid updating my wife’s iPad for now. Unless 
13.4.1  fixes it.

> On 8/04/2020, at 20:56, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi Lists,
>  
> Did anyone notice when they updated to iPad os 13.4 that it’s battery usage 
> went off the dial?
>  
> I’ve got an ipad mini 5 that has gone through 2 full battery charges in the 
> passed 4 days
>  
> And that’s when it’s been sitting on stand by in it’s sleve for all but a 
> couple of hours,
>  
> I can’t see that the new Brydge .9” Bluetooth keyboard I received on Monday 
> would have sucked the life out of the ipad.
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RE: Creating a web site

[rayndarren]

I'd be happy to help anyone interested in website creation, I'm a web designer 
by trade. 😊
Sarah

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Behalf Of Ian Harrison
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:50 AM
To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries ; 
'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
Subject: Creating a web site

Hi everyone, hope you are staying safe.

In this time of great boredom I would like to create a web site for my family. 
A simple one with no ecommerce etc.

Has anyone got experience with a provider who is voice over friendly? I am 
reasonable tec savvy but not a coder or html person. Square space looks good 
but I can’t find a way to contact them about such a specific question.

Thanks in advance
Ian

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Re: Upgrade to iPad OS 13.4 broke my Logiteh Slim Combo keyboard

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks for the follow-up, Tim. For me, because the Logitech keyboard performs 
so much better when QuickNav is on, I always keep it activated. I have sent 
that information to accessibility.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Apr 8, 2020, at 10:57 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> I received a response from Apple Accessibility this morning.  They requested 
> that I update to 13.4.1 and get back to them.  I, too, did not notice any 
> improvement to the keyboard behaviour on iPad.  I also did some more rigorous 
> testing on iPhone with my Magic Keyboard 2 and it also exhibits similar 
> behaviours, especially in Mail and Safari.  Messages seems to be OK and the 
> Home screen navigation seem OK for me as well.  QuickNav on the Home screens 
> and Messages seems to work, but is useless in Mail and Safari.  I have 
> updated Apple Accessibility with my findings, but you are all welcome to add 
> in any inconsistencies you've found as well.  Be sure to verify if the 
> behaviour presents itself during QuickNav or other navigation modes.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 8, 2020, at 08:00, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> I just upgraded to 13.4.1. In the release notes, nothing was mentioned about 
> the keyboard, so I’m not surprised that the issue wasn’t addressed. I hope 
> they fix it soon! :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Apr 8, 2020, at 8:55 AM, Michael Busboom > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi. I am currently using iOS 13.4 with my iPhone XR and can confirm the 
>> keyboard issue as well.
>> 
>> Stay healthy,
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 07.04.2020, at 17:11, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> It's not just the LogiTech keyboards.  My Smart Keyboard for my iPad Pro 
>>> behaves similar to your explanation.  I will play some more to see if I can 
>>> figure any workarounds out.  For now, I've just ignored it and used my 
>>> other devices.  Hmmm, I'll have to confirm, but I believe that this is also 
>>> happening with my Apple Magic Keyboard and my iPhone.   Again, I'll see 
>>> what I can confirm.  Probably a note to Apple Accessibility is in the order 
>>> since this seems to truly be an accessibility screw-up.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Apr 7, 2020, at 06:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> This email is in part a question and in part a warning.
>>> 
>>> When I upgraded to iPad OS 13.4 last week, it broke my Logitech Slim Combo 
>>> keyboard, rendering my iPad very unfriendly to use. I can no longer use the 
>>> backspace key to delete an email message I am reading. The 
>>> character/language and function keys no longer work in most contexts. I am 
>>> no longer able to use either Enter or VO-Space to activate buttons. Same is 
>>> true for activating links in Safari. The only way I can accomplish either 
>>> of those tasks now is via touch on the iPad. Using FN plus arrow keys no 
>>> longer works for navigation. So here’s the warning. If you use an iPad with 
>>> a Logitech keyboard, I recommend not upgrading to 13.4.
>>> 
>>> And my question. A google search has shown that I’m not the only one 
>>> experiencing this, so I am wondering if any other users of Logitech 
>>> keyboards have found work-arounds?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: how to recover Mail sent sound

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

hi,

The send mail sound is called "Swoosh".  You won't find it in the Sound Effects 
pane though.  I don't believe that you can set individual alert sound volumes 
though.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 8, 2020, at 08:42, Paul Hopewell  wrote:

Hi Tim ,
I tried unchecking and rechecking play other mail sounds as you suggested.  If 
I listen very carefully I do hear the mail sent sound but it is very  very 
quiet. So I went to system preferences and sounds and sound effects which 
showed a table of built in sound effects. I presumed that I could change the 
volume for each such sound but that does not seem to happen. So can I change 
the volume of individual sound effects and if so then how.
Also what is the mail sent sound called?
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Re: Upgrade to iPad OS 13.4 broke my Logiteh Slim Combo keyboard

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I received a response from Apple Accessibility this morning.  They requested 
that I update to 13.4.1 and get back to them.  I, too, did not notice any 
improvement to the keyboard behaviour on iPad.  I also did some more rigorous 
testing on iPhone with my Magic Keyboard 2 and it also exhibits similar 
behaviours, especially in Mail and Safari.  Messages seems to be OK and the 
Home screen navigation seem OK for me as well.  QuickNav on the Home screens 
and Messages seems to work, but is useless in Mail and Safari.  I have updated 
Apple Accessibility with my findings, but you are all welcome to add in any 
inconsistencies you've found as well.  Be sure to verify if the behaviour 
presents itself during QuickNav or other navigation modes.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 8, 2020, at 08:00, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I just upgraded to 13.4.1. In the release notes, nothing was mentioned about 
the keyboard, so I’m not surprised that the issue wasn’t addressed. I hope they 
fix it soon! :)
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 8, 2020, at 8:55 AM, Michael Busboom  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi. I am currently using iOS 13.4 with my iPhone XR and can confirm the 
> keyboard issue as well.
> 
> Stay healthy,
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 07.04.2020, at 17:11, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> It's not just the LogiTech keyboards.  My Smart Keyboard for my iPad Pro 
>> behaves similar to your explanation.  I will play some more to see if I can 
>> figure any workarounds out.  For now, I've just ignored it and used my other 
>> devices.  Hmmm, I'll have to confirm, but I believe that this is also 
>> happening with my Apple Magic Keyboard and my iPhone.   Again, I'll see what 
>> I can confirm.  Probably a note to Apple Accessibility is in the order since 
>> this seems to truly be an accessibility screw-up.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 7, 2020, at 06:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> This email is in part a question and in part a warning.
>> 
>> When I upgraded to iPad OS 13.4 last week, it broke my Logitech Slim Combo 
>> keyboard, rendering my iPad very unfriendly to use. I can no longer use the 
>> backspace key to delete an email message I am reading. The 
>> character/language and function keys no longer work in most contexts. I am 
>> no longer able to use either Enter or VO-Space to activate buttons. Same is 
>> true for activating links in Safari. The only way I can accomplish either of 
>> those tasks now is via touch on the iPad. Using FN plus arrow keys no longer 
>> works for navigation. So here’s the warning. If you use an iPad with a 
>> Logitech keyboard, I recommend not upgrading to 13.4.
>> 
>> And my question. A google search has shown that I’m not the only one 
>> experiencing this, so I am wondering if any other users of Logitech 
>> keyboards have found work-arounds?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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how to recover Mail sent sound

[Paul Hopewell]

Hi Tim ,
I tried unchecking and rechecking play other mail sounds as you suggested.  If 
I listen very carefully I do hear the mail sent sound but it is very  very 
quiet. So I went to system preferences and sounds and sound effects which 
showed a table of built in sound effects. I presumed that I could change the 
volume for each such sound but that does not seem to happen. So can I change 
the volume of individual sound effects and if so then how.
Also what is the mail sent sound called?
Many thanks … Paul Hopewell

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Re: Upgrade to iPad OS 13.4 broke my Logiteh Slim Combo keyboard

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I just upgraded to 13.4.1. In the release notes, nothing was mentioned about 
the keyboard, so I’m not surprised that the issue wasn’t addressed. I hope they 
fix it soon! :)
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 8, 2020, at 8:55 AM, Michael Busboom  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi. I am currently using iOS 13.4 with my iPhone XR and can confirm the 
> keyboard issue as well.
> 
> Stay healthy,
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 07.04.2020, at 17:11, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> It's not just the LogiTech keyboards.  My Smart Keyboard for my iPad Pro 
>> behaves similar to your explanation.  I will play some more to see if I can 
>> figure any workarounds out.  For now, I've just ignored it and used my other 
>> devices.  Hmmm, I'll have to confirm, but I believe that this is also 
>> happening with my Apple Magic Keyboard and my iPhone.   Again, I'll see what 
>> I can confirm.  Probably a note to Apple Accessibility is in the order since 
>> this seems to truly be an accessibility screw-up.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 7, 2020, at 06:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> This email is in part a question and in part a warning.
>> 
>> When I upgraded to iPad OS 13.4 last week, it broke my Logitech Slim Combo 
>> keyboard, rendering my iPad very unfriendly to use. I can no longer use the 
>> backspace key to delete an email message I am reading. The 
>> character/language and function keys no longer work in most contexts. I am 
>> no longer able to use either Enter or VO-Space to activate buttons. Same is 
>> true for activating links in Safari. The only way I can accomplish either of 
>> those tasks now is via touch on the iPad. Using FN plus arrow keys no longer 
>> works for navigation. So here’s the warning. If you use an iPad with a 
>> Logitech keyboard, I recommend not upgrading to 13.4.
>> 
>> And my question. A google search has shown that I’m not the only one 
>> experiencing this, so I am wondering if any other users of Logitech 
>> keyboards have found work-arounds?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Upgrade to iPad OS 13.4 broke my Logiteh Slim Combo keyboard

[Michael Busboom]

Hi. I am currently using iOS 13.4 with my iPhone XR and can confirm the 
keyboard issue as well.

Stay healthy,

Mike




> On 07.04.2020, at 17:11, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Donna,
> 
> It's not just the LogiTech keyboards.  My Smart Keyboard for my iPad Pro 
> behaves similar to your explanation.  I will play some more to see if I can 
> figure any workarounds out.  For now, I've just ignored it and used my other 
> devices.  Hmmm, I'll have to confirm, but I believe that this is also 
> happening with my Apple Magic Keyboard and my iPhone.   Again, I'll see what 
> I can confirm.  Probably a note to Apple Accessibility is in the order since 
> this seems to truly be an accessibility screw-up.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> 
> On Apr 7, 2020, at 06:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> This email is in part a question and in part a warning.
> 
> When I upgraded to iPad OS 13.4 last week, it broke my Logitech Slim Combo 
> keyboard, rendering my iPad very unfriendly to use. I can no longer use the 
> backspace key to delete an email message I am reading. The character/language 
> and function keys no longer work in most contexts. I am no longer able to use 
> either Enter or VO-Space to activate buttons. Same is true for activating 
> links in Safari. The only way I can accomplish either of those tasks now is 
> via touch on the iPad. Using FN plus arrow keys no longer works for 
> navigation. So here’s the warning. If you use an iPad with a Logitech 
> keyboard, I recommend not upgrading to 13.4.
> 
> And my question. A google search has shown that I’m not the only one 
> experiencing this, so I am wondering if any other users of Logitech keyboards 
> have found work-arounds?
> Cheers,
> Donna
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> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Upgrade to iPad OS 13.4 broke my Logiteh Slim Combo keyboard

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Interesting. The VO-M command to bring up the status bar still works for me.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Apr 8, 2020, at 1:47 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi Tim,
>  
> I’ve just this passed Monday received a new keyboard for my iPad mini 5
> The keyboard is a Brydge 7.9 Bluetooth device and so far seems to be working 
> fine,
> I’ll have to try these things and see if it’s effected.
>  
> I did notice that I don’t get the status bar if I do vo m
>  
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 April 2020 3:11 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Upgrade to iPad OS 13.4 broke my Logiteh Slim Combo keyboard
>  
> Hi Donna,
>  
> It's not just the LogiTech keyboards.  My Smart Keyboard for my iPad Pro 
> behaves similar to your explanation.  I will play some more to see if I can 
> figure any workarounds out.  For now, I've just ignored it and used my other 
> devices.  Hmmm, I'll have to confirm, but I believe that this is also 
> happening with my Apple Magic Keyboard and my iPhone.   Again, I'll see what 
> I can confirm.  Probably a note to Apple Accessibility is in the order since 
> this seems to truly be an accessibility screw-up.
>  
> Later...
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>  
> On Apr 7, 2020, at 06:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Hi all,
> 
> This email is in part a question and in part a warning.
> 
> When I upgraded to iPad OS 13.4 last week, it broke my Logitech Slim Combo 
> keyboard, rendering my iPad very unfriendly to use. I can no longer use the 
> backspace key to delete an email message I am reading. The character/language 
> and function keys no longer work in most contexts. I am no longer able to use 
> either Enter or VO-Space to activate buttons. Same is true for activating 
> links in Safari. The only way I can accomplish either of those tasks now is 
> via touch on the iPad. Using FN plus arrow keys no longer works for 
> navigation. So here’s the warning. If you use an iPad with a Logitech 
> keyboard, I recommend not upgrading to 13.4.
> 
> And my question. A google search has shown that I’m not the only one 
> experiencing this, so I am wondering if any other users of Logitech keyboards 
> have found work-arounds?
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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RE: Creating a web site

[Mich Verrier]

Hi all I to would like to create a websight and like ian and others I know 
nothing about html or wrighting coade or anything. What I am looking for is 
something where I can just input what I want into different edit fields and 
then tabb over to dun and the websight will do the rest. the edit fields would 
be cald things like websight name  then what it is about and stuff like that. 
In short I am seeking something that is simple works with jaws 18 and is 
accessible but demands as little work as possible on my part. I remember years 
ago reading something about simple web sight builder but forget what it was 
cald or anything since I red about it years ago. From Mich.

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Sent: April 8, 2020 6:50 AM
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'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
Subject: Creating a web site

Hi everyone, hope you are staying safe.

In this time of great boredom I would like to create a web site for my family. 
A simple one with no ecommerce etc.

Has anyone got experience with a provider who is voice over friendly? I am 
reasonable tec savvy but not a coder or html person. Square space looks good 
but I can’t find a way to contact them about such a specific question.

Thanks in advance
Ian

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Re: Creating a web site

['Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries]

This may be too technical for you, but you don’t necessarily have to write 
HTML. And, it’s free. Also, this is a rather old article, so things may be 
slightly different.

https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2014/08/build-blog-jekyll-github-pages/ 



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>   Hi everyone, hope you are staying safe.
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> In this time of great boredom I would like to create a web site for my 
> family. A simple one with no ecommerce etc.
> 
> Has anyone got experience with a provider who is voice over friendly? I am 
> reasonable tec savvy but not a coder or html person. Square space looks good 
> but I can’t find a way to contact them about such a specific question.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> Ian
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Creating a web site

[Ian Harrison]

Hi everyone, hope you are staying safe.

In this time of great boredom I would like to create a web site for my family. 
A simple one with no ecommerce etc.

Has anyone got experience with a provider who is voice over friendly? I am 
reasonable tec savvy but not a coder or html person. Square space looks good 
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Thanks in advance
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Re: iPad Os 13.4 battery usage

[joseph hodge]

Seeing the same thing on my mini 5. My iphone is also draining fast but I'm 
having to use teams for work and think that's part of the reason. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 8, 2020, at 4:56 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> Did anyone notice when they updated to iPad os 13.4 that it’s battery usage 
> went off the dial?
>  
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> passed 4 days
>  
> And that’s when it’s been sitting on stand by in it’s sleve for all but a 
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Re: Microsoft word on the Mac.

['Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries]

Do you have the problem where arrowing around a document in Word for Mac is 
sluggish? This is with quick navigation off.

> On Apr 7, 2020, at 3:43 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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> Just had a play with Microsoft word on the Mac and that is better also.  So 
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iPad Os 13.4 battery usage

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Lists,

Did anyone notice when they updated to iPad os 13.4 that it's battery usage 
went off the dial?

I've got an ipad mini 5 that has gone through 2 full battery charges in the 
passed 4 days

And that's when it's been sitting on stand by in it's sleve for all but a 
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Ios 13.4.1

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I just updated to iOS 13.4.1.
SO far i haven’t notice any bugfixes for Vo.
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