date:20200611

   Price. One camera as opposed to two, if I am not mistaken. Probably 
other factors too.


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How do you figure that? It’s supposedly has the same speed as the iPhone 11 Pro.
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Re: iPhone SE 2nd Gen

2020-06-11 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

How do you figure that? It’s supposedly has the same speed as the iPhone 11 Pro.
Cheers,
Donna

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>>> have an 8+ and haven’t had any problems with it Have you got a cover on 
>>> your phone that maybe obscuring the finger print sensor? Have you tried 
>>> resetting your finger prints?
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Re: iPhone SE 2nd Gen

2020-06-11 Thread Gabe Griffith

Hi all,

I moved from a 7 to the new SE. At least to this point it has been a very 
positive experience for me. Since I had the 7 and not the plus I was even able 
to keep my same phone case. :) I especially like the fact that my bluetooth now 
works and I can connect new devices. I would say that the main thing you’re 
probably going to notice going from a plus to the SE is the physical size of 
the phone.

Gabe


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>>> have an 8+ and haven’t had any problems with it Have you got a cover on 
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>>> resetting your finger prints?
>>> 
>>> 
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   Simon, it's really a downgrade. It's a budget model compared to the 
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I’m a little surprised that your Touch ID no longer works reliably. I 
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  Has anyone gone from an iPhone 8 or 8+ to the new SE? I have th 8+ 
on which Touch ID no longer functions. I like the size of the plus 
model but may have to downsize as the other newer models are much 
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Have you been cleaning your phone with anything in particular lately, 
especially since this whole virus thing? As I think some alcohol based cleaning 
products can be quite damaging to the phone.

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   My phone has a cover yes but it does not cover any part of the home 
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Re: iPhone SE 2nd Gen

2020-06-11 Thread 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries

Hi E.T. I've upgraded from an iPhone 8 to an SE 2020. Is there anything 
specific you'd like to know?

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> On Jun 11, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
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> I’m a little surprised that your Touch ID no longer works reliably. I too 
> have an 8+ and haven’t had any problems with it Have you got a cover on your 
> phone that maybe obscuring the finger print sensor? Have you tried resetting 
> your finger prints? 
> 
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>>   Has anyone gone from an iPhone 8 or 8+ to the new SE? I have th 8+ on 
>> which Touch ID no longer functions. I like the size of the plus model but 
>> may have to downsize as the other newer models are much more expensive.
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Re: iPhone SE 2nd Gen

I’m a little surprised that your Touch ID no longer works reliably. I too have 
an 8+ and haven’t had any problems with it Have you got a cover on your phone 
that maybe obscuring the finger print sensor? Have you tried resetting your 
finger prints? 


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>   Has anyone gone from an iPhone 8 or 8+ to the new SE? I have th 8+ on which 
> Touch ID no longer functions. I like the size of the plus model but may have 
> to downsize as the other newer models are much more expensive.
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Re: Reading pdf's on the Mac with preview?

2020-06-11 Thread Brad Snyder

VoiceOver says “Image” because the file you are reading contains an untagged 
image or picture file.

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On Jun 11, 2020, at 18:24, Matt Turner  wrote:

Thanks for that.
it can read the text fine.
It just says image after the page number, then it reads the text.

> On Jun 11, 2020, at 5:01 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>  Sounds like these are scanned documents. I found one that VO could not read 
> but others VO was fine with them in Preview.
> 
>  An app like Finereader may be able to read those where VO says image.
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> On 6/11/2020 12:17 PM, Matt Turner wrote:
>> Hi, hope everyone is doing well.
>> After VoiceOver reads the page number, it also reads something like image.
>> It's read like this on every pdf I’ve  read with preview.
>> Just curious if VoiceOver  suppose to say image, and what that image could 
>> be?
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iPhone SE 2nd Gen

   Has anyone gone from an iPhone 8 or 8+ to the new SE? I have th 8+ 
on which Touch ID no longer functions. I like the size of the plus model 
but may have to downsize as the other newer models are much more expensive.


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Re: IOS updates

No, it was Petrus who fell asleep. Grins.

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On 6/11/2020 5:04 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
I think the difference is that you let your wife's phone go to sleep
while you kept your phone stay awake while it downloaded the new software.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 11, 2020, at 5:09 PM, Petrus Tuerlings
wrote:

Yes, I got what your saying but I don’t think that is it. I
definitely had to double tap on the download and install button the
same as my wife. And if it had already been downloaded I would have
heard VoiceOver say “One new item” when I selected my settings. I
thought about it and maybe my wife has her auto lock set at a shorter
time then me. I have mine set at 5 minutes so I’m guessing that my
screen wasn’t locked once the download completed and it started the
installation. My wife might have her auto lock set at 2 minutes or
something so I might check that tonight when she’s home.

On 11/06/2020, at 20:12, Simon A Fogarty > wrote:

Hi petrus,
Chances are that your phone had downloaded the update to it’s cache
and when you hit install and entered your pin it started installing.

As for your wife,
I’d think that was a you had to download the IOs version which
required the pin but then while it was downloading and you fell asleep
It finished the dl and then required you to hit install an that is
when you got the Pin request again.

Hope that makes sense.
Simon f
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*Subject:*IOS updates
Hi all,
I’m a little curious as to IOS updates. Yesterday I updated too
13.5.1 on both my wife’s phone an my own. I did mine in the morning.
I opened the General settings on my phone and selected software
update and tapped on Download and install. Entered my pass code to
verify the update request and let it do its thing. Once it was done I
entered my pass code again and it was all done. I did my wife’s phone
last night and did the same thing, once I tapped on download and
install and entered her pass code it started downloading. I fell
asleep and woke up about an hour later so I checked it. I had to
unlock the phone with the pass code again and it was waiting for me
to tap the install now button. My phone completed the entire process
without me having to tap the install now button but my wife’s phone
took two steps. We both have an 8+ with the same memory and the same
age. We got them together at the same time. So why would my one
complete the download and install from start to finish and her one
asking to install now after downloading it?

Just curious.
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Re: IOS updates

Yeah that’s what I was thinking. I’l check her auto lock of the screen tonight 
when she’s home. 

> On 12/06/2020, at 12:04, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I think the difference is that you let your wife's phone go to sleep while 
> you kept your phone stay awake while it downloaded the new software.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2020, at 5:09 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, I got what your saying but I don’t think that is it. I definitely had 
>> to double tap on the download and install button the same as my wife. And if 
>> it had already been downloaded I would have heard VoiceOver say “One new 
>> item” when I selected my settings. I thought about it and maybe my wife has 
>> her auto lock set at a shorter time then me. I have mine set at 5 minutes  
>> so I’m guessing that my screen wasn’t locked once the download completed and 
>> it started the installation. My wife might have her auto lock set at 2 
>> minutes or something so I might check that tonight when she’s home.  
>> 
>>> On 11/06/2020, at 20:12, Simon A Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi petrus,
>>>  
>>> Chances are that your phone had downloaded the update to it’s cache and 
>>> when you hit install and entered your pin it started installing.
>>>  
>>> As for your wife,
>>> I’d think that was a you had to download the IOs version which required the 
>>> pin but then while it was downloading and you fell asleep
>>> It finished the dl and then required you to hit install an that is when you 
>>> got the Pin request again.
>>>  
>>> Hope that makes sense.
>>>  
>>> Simon f
>>>  
>>> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  >> >On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
>>> Sent: Thursday, 11 June 2020 9:38 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: IOS updates
>>>  
>>> Hi all,
>>> I’m a little curious as to IOS updates. Yesterday I updated too 13.5.1 on 
>>> both my wife’s phone an my own. I did mine in the morning. I opened the 
>>> General settings on my phone and selected software update and tapped on 
>>> Download and install. Entered my pass code to verify the update request and 
>>> let it do its thing. Once it was done I entered my pass code again and it 
>>> was all done. I did my wife’s phone last night and did the same thing, once 
>>> I tapped on download and install and entered her pass code it started 
>>> downloading. I fell asleep and woke up about an hour later so I checked it. 
>>> I had to unlock the phone with the pass code again and it was waiting for 
>>> me to tap the install now button. My phone completed the entire process 
>>> without me having to tap the install now   button but my wife’s phone took 
>>> two steps. We both have an 8+ with the same memory and the same age. We got 
>>> them together at the same time. So why would my one complete the download 
>>> and install from start to finish and her one asking to install now after 
>>> downloading it?
>>> Just curious.  
>>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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Re: IOS updates

2020-06-11 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn

I think the difference is that you let your wife's phone go to sleep while you 
kept your phone stay awake while it downloaded the new software.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 11, 2020, at 5:09 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
> Yes, I got what your saying but I don’t think that is it. I definitely had 
> to double tap on the download and install button the same as my wife. And if 
> it had already been downloaded I would have heard VoiceOver say “One new 
> item” when I selected my settings. I thought about it and maybe my wife has 
> her auto lock set at a shorter time then me. I have mine set at 5 minutes  so 
> I’m guessing that my screen wasn’t locked once the download completed and it 
> started the installation. My wife might have her auto lock set at 2 minutes 
> or something so I might check that tonight when she’s home.  
> 
>> On 11/06/2020, at 20:12, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi petrus,
>>  
>> Chances are that your phone had downloaded the update to it’s cache and when 
>> you hit install and entered your pin it started installing.
>>  
>> As for your wife,
>> I’d think that was a you had to download the IOs version which required the 
>> pin but then while it was downloading and you fell asleep
>> It finished the dl and then required you to hit install an that is when you 
>> got the Pin request again.
>>  
>> Hope that makes sense.
>>  
>> Simon f
>>  
>> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On 
>> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
>> Sent: Thursday, 11 June 2020 9:38 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: IOS updates
>>  
>> Hi all,
>> I’m a little curious as to IOS updates. Yesterday I updated too 13.5.1 on 
>> both my wife’s phone an my own. I did mine in the morning. I opened the 
>> General settings on my phone and selected software update and tapped on 
>> Download and install. Entered my pass code to verify the update request and 
>> let it do its thing. Once it was done I entered my pass code again and it 
>> was all done. I did my wife’s phone last night and did the same thing, once 
>> I tapped on download and install and entered her pass code it started 
>> downloading. I fell asleep and woke up about an hour later so I checked it. 
>> I had to unlock the phone with the pass code again and it was waiting for me 
>> to tap the install now button. My phone completed the entire process without 
>> me having to tap the install now   button but my wife’s phone took two 
>> steps. We both have an 8+ with the same memory and the same age. We got them 
>> together at the same time. So why would my one complete the download and 
>> install from start to finish and her one asking to install now after 
>> downloading it?
>> Just curious.  
>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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Re: IOS vertical scrollbars with voiceover

2020-06-11 Thread Michael Marshall

hey,
Thanks, I will have to try this.

> On 12 Jun 2020, at 9:26 am, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   I just did this, a simple flick down if at the top. A reboot of the phone 
> may help, I had to do this today to resolve something else.
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> On 6/11/2020 3:14 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:
>> hey,
>> Thanks for the info, that's what I have been trying and still nothing. I 
>> know there are extra items there but I'm still stuck on the first page.
>> It's so frustrating.
>>> On 12 Jun 2020, at 7:36 am, Petrus Tuerlings >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Once you find the scroll bar you can flick up or down with one finger to 
>>> adjust the percentage value, this should work on the vertical scroll bars 
>>> or the horizontal scroll bars. See if that helps?
>>> 
 On 12/06/2020, at 09:29, Michael Marshall >>> > wrote:
 
 hey all,
 Running into a very interesting situation and I don't quite know how to 
 solve it.
 If I'm looking at a page of content in an app such as youtube, after 
 awhile I come to a vertical scroll bar.
 I know I need to somehow activate this to see more content, I have tried 
 interacting with it when it says something like, scrollbar 100% and moving 
 the slider but I still cannot see any more content I know it's there.
 Am I missing something?
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Re: IOS vertical scrollbars with voiceover

I just did this, a simple flick down if at the top. A reboot of the
phone may help, I had to do this today to resolve something else.

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On 6/11/2020 3:14 PM, Michael Marshall wrote:

hey,
Thanks for the info, that's what I have been trying and still nothing. I
know there are extra items there but I'm still stuck on the first page.

It's so frustrating.

On 12 Jun 2020, at 7:36 am, Petrus Tuerlings > wrote:

Once you find the scroll bar you can flick up or down with one finger
to adjust the percentage value, this should work on the vertical
scroll bars or the horizontal scroll bars. See if that helps?

On 12/06/2020, at 09:29, Michael Marshall > wrote:

hey all,
Running into a very interesting situation and I don't quite know how
to solve it.
If I'm looking at a page of content in an app such as youtube, after
awhile I come to a vertical scroll bar.
I know I need to somehow activate this to see more content, I have
tried interacting with it when it says something like, scrollbar 100%
and moving the slider but I still cannot see any more content I know
it's there.

Am I missing something?
It is really annoying me.

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Re: Reading pdf's on the Mac with preview?

2020-06-11 Thread Lorie McCloud

mine does that too, saying "image" before it reads the text but that also 
happens in Safari when I'm reading a pdf so I think it must be pictures that 
are in there.

> On Jun 11, 2020, at 6:24 PM, Matt Turner  wrote:
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> Thanks for that.
> it can read the text fine.
> It just says image after the page number, then it reads the text.
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2020, at 5:01 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>>  Sounds like these are scanned documents. I found one that VO could not read 
>> but others VO was fine with them in Preview.
>> 
>>  An app like Finereader may be able to read those where VO says image.
>> 
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>> On 6/11/2020 12:17 PM, Matt Turner wrote:
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>>> After VoiceOver reads the page number, it also reads something like image.
>>> It's read like this on every pdf I’ve  read with preview.
>>> Just curious if VoiceOver  suppose to say image, and what that image could 
>>> be?
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Re: Reading pdf's on the Mac with preview?

2020-06-11 Thread Matt Turner

Thanks for that.
it can read the text fine.
It just says image after the page number, then it reads the text.

> On Jun 11, 2020, at 5:01 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   Sounds like these are scanned documents. I found one that VO could not read 
> but others VO was fine with them in Preview.
> 
>   An app like Finereader may be able to read those where VO says image.
> 
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>> Hi, hope everyone is doing well.
>> After VoiceOver reads the page number, it also reads something like image.
>> It's read like this on every pdf I’ve  read with preview.
>> Just curious if VoiceOver  suppose to say image, and what that image could 
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Re: IOS vertical scrollbars with voiceover

2020-06-11 Thread Michael Marshall

hey,
Thanks for the info, that's what I have been trying and still nothing. I know 
there are extra items there but I'm still stuck on the first page.
It's so frustrating.

> On 12 Jun 2020, at 7:36 am, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
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> Once you find the scroll bar you can flick up or down with one finger to 
> adjust the percentage value, this should work on the vertical scroll bars or 
> the horizontal scroll bars. See if that helps?
> 
>> On 12/06/2020, at 09:29, Michael Marshall > > wrote:
>> 
>> hey all,
>> Running into a very interesting situation and I don't quite know how to 
>> solve it.
>> If I'm looking at a page of content in an app such as youtube, after awhile 
>> I come to a vertical scroll bar.
>> I know I need to somehow activate this to see more content, I have tried 
>> interacting with it when it says something like, scrollbar 100% and moving 
>> the slider but I still cannot see any more content I know it's there.
>> Am I missing something?
>> It is really annoying me.
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Re: IOS vertical scrollbars with voiceover

Once you find the scroll bar you can flick up or down with one finger to adjust 
the percentage value, this should work on the vertical scroll bars or the 
horizontal scroll bars. See if that helps?

> On 12/06/2020, at 09:29, Michael Marshall  wrote:
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> hey all,
> Running into a very interesting situation and I don't quite know how to solve 
> it.
> If I'm looking at a page of content in an app such as youtube, after awhile I 
> come to a vertical scroll bar.
> I know I need to somehow activate this to see more content, I have tried 
> interacting with it when it says something like, scrollbar 100% and moving 
> the slider but I still cannot see any more content I know it's there.
> Am I missing something?
> It is really annoying me.
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IOS vertical scrollbars with voiceover

2020-06-11 Thread Michael Marshall

hey all,
Running into a very interesting situation and I don't quite know how to solve 
it.
If I'm looking at a page of content in an app such as youtube, after awhile I 
come to a vertical scroll bar.
I know I need to somehow activate this to see more content, I have tried 
interacting with it when it says something like, scrollbar 100% and moving the 
slider but I still cannot see any more content I know it's there.
Am I missing something?
It is really annoying me.

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Re: IOS updates

Yes, I got what your saying but I don’t think that is it. I definitely had to 
double tap on the download and install button the same as my wife. And if it 
had already been downloaded I would have heard VoiceOver say “One new item” 
when I selected my settings. I thought about it and maybe my wife has her auto 
lock set at a shorter time then me. I have mine set at 5 minutes  so I’m 
guessing that my screen wasn’t locked once the download completed and it 
started the installation. My wife might have her auto lock set at 2 minutes or 
something so I might check that tonight when she’s home.  

> On 11/06/2020, at 20:12, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi petrus,
>  
> Chances are that your phone had downloaded the update to it’s cache and when 
> you hit install and entered your pin it started installing.
>  
> As for your wife,
> I’d think that was a you had to download the IOs version which required the 
> pin but then while it was downloading and you fell asleep
> It finished the dl and then required you to hit install an that is when you 
> got the Pin request again.
>  
> Hope that makes sense.
>  
> Simon f
>  
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> Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: IOS updates
>  
> Hi all,
> I’m a little curious as to IOS updates. Yesterday I updated too 13.5.1 on 
> both my wife’s phone an my own. I did mine in the morning. I opened the 
> General settings on my phone and selected software update and tapped on 
> Download and install. Entered my pass code to verify the update request and 
> let it do its thing. Once it was done I entered my pass code again and it was 
> all done. I did my wife’s phone last night and did the same thing, once I 
> tapped on download and install and entered her pass code it started 
> downloading. I fell asleep and woke up about an hour later so I checked it. I 
> had to unlock the phone with the pass code again and it was waiting for me to 
> tap the install now button. My phone completed the entire process without me 
> having to tap the install now   button but my wife’s phone took two steps. We 
> both have an 8+ with the same memory and the same age. We got them together 
> at the same time. So why would my one complete the download and install from 
> start to finish and her one asking to install now after downloading it?
> Just curious.  
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Re: Reading pdf's on the Mac with preview?

   Sounds like these are scanned documents. I found one that VO could 
not read but others VO was fine with them in Preview.


   An app like Finereader may be able to read those where VO says image.

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On 6/11/2020 12:17 PM, Matt Turner wrote:

Hi, hope everyone is doing well.
After VoiceOver reads the page number, it also reads something like image.
It's read like this on every pdf I’ve  read with preview.
Just curious if VoiceOver  suppose to say image, and what that image could be?



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Reading pdf's on the Mac with preview?

2020-06-11 Thread Matt Turner

Hi, hope everyone is doing well.
After VoiceOver reads the page number, it also reads something like image.
It's read like this on every pdf I’ve  read with preview.
Just curious if VoiceOver  suppose to say image, and what that image could be?

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Using Fission by Rogue Amoeba

2020-06-11 Thread Frank Ventura

Dear all, is there a voiceover friendly tutorial out there somewhere for using 
Fission? Specifically, I would like to learn to select portions of an audio 
file to delete. The help file really isn't to elaborate in terms of using it 
with voiceover. Any help or tips are greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Frank Ventura

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Re: Zoom Meetings

I wonder if it does depend on version the last time I used Xoom on my Mac with 
AirPods people could still here the speech - if I muted my  audio when not 
speaking that stopped the problem I have recently updated zoom again and 
haven’t asked people about VO but will do in my next zoom meeting  

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 22:44, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brad,
> 
> Interesting.  I tested this specifically prior to posting so that I could be 
> accurate.  I used both a Mac Pro and an iMac for the Mac side, and my iPad 
> Pro on the iPadOS side.  It did work exactly as I outlined.  I’d be 
> interested to hear about the settings that would cause this behaviour to do 
> other than I’ve mentioned.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> To rebut your clarification, when using Zoom on an iOS device, it has been my 
> experience that participants can hear VoiceOver loud and clear when someone 
> is not using headphones or a headset during a Zoom meeting .   
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:44, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> An update and clarification with respect to others hearing VoiceOver when in 
> a Zoom session.  If you’re on a Mac, without headphones, then others will 
> hear your VoiceOver navigation.  When using iOS/iPadOS, this is not the case, 
> as VoiceOver sound is not passed through the mic to Zoom and onto other 
> participants.  This appears to be similar to how FaceTime on the Mac is able 
> to ignore VO audio and does not pass this through to others on a FaceTime 
> call.  Therefore, as a matter of politeness and respect, I would concur with 
> Brad in recommending that you always use headphones when in a Zoom session on 
> your Mac.  It does not appear to be necessary on iOS/iPadOS.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> I usually use a Bose Bluetooth headset.  It can be used on both an iOS device 
> and a Mac and provides good sound quality.  The microphone is not 
> professional quality, but I am told it sounds pretty good in most situations. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:30, Robin  > wrote:
> 
> Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
> YourEnvironment  that can be used  when Attending a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on 
> Your MAC or iOS device?
> All suggestions are welcome.
> 
> Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to 
> MyMessage, as it's VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!
> 
> Blessin's 
> At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
>> I don't think so.
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
>>> can't.
>>> 
 On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
 headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
 inconsiderate.
 
 - Brad -
 
 On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray >>>  > wrote:
 
 ï»¿Hi,
 
 I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
 meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
 might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
 is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the 
 call and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to 
 reduce this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily 
 unmute when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled 
 in settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
 
 If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice 
 can be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we 
 could help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that 
 again if people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
 
> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson   > wrote:
> 
> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than 
> on a Mac. Itâ€™s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly 
> pointing that g

Re: Zoom Meetings

If you can stretch to it the AirPods Pro are fab for noise cancelation  

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 20:30, Robin  wrote:
> 
> Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
> YourEnvironment  that can be used  when Attending a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on 
> Your MAC or iOS device?
> All suggestions are welcome.
> 
> Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to 
> MyMessage, as it's VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!
> 
> Blessin's 
> At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
>> I don't think so.
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
>>> can't.
>>> 
 On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
 headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
 inconsiderate.
 
 - Brad -
 
 On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray >>>  > wrote:
 
 ï»¿Hi,
 
 I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
 meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
 might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
 is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the 
 call and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to 
 reduce this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily 
 unmute when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled 
 in settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
 
 If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice 
 can be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we 
 could help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that 
 again if people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
 
> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson   > wrote:
> 
> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than 
> on a Mac. Itâ€™s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly 
> pointing that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone 
> propped in a way to leave your hands free.
> Dave Carlson
> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 
> 
> 
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RE: IOS updates

2020-06-11 Thread Simon A Fogarty

Hi petrus,

Chances are that your phone had downloaded the update to it’s cache and when 
you hit install and entered your pin it started installing.

As for your wife,
I’d think that was a you had to download the IOs version which required the pin 
but then while it was downloading and you fell asleep
It finished the dl and then required you to hit install an that is when you got 
the Pin request again.

Hope that makes sense.

Simon f

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Thursday, 11 June 2020 9:38 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: IOS updates

Hi all,
I’m a little curious as to IOS updates. Yesterday I updated too 13.5.1 on both 
my wife’s phone an my own. I did mine in the morning. I opened the General 
settings on my phone and selected software update and tapped on Download and 
install. Entered my pass code to verify the update request and let it do its 
thing. Once it was done I entered my pass code again and it was all done. I did 
my wife’s phone last night and did the same thing, once I tapped on download 
and install and entered her pass code it started downloading. I fell asleep and 
woke up about an hour later so I checked it. I had to unlock the phone with the 
pass code again and it was waiting for me to tap the install now button. My 
phone completed the entire process without me having to tap the install now   
button but my wife’s phone took two steps. We both have an 8+ with the same 
memory and the same age. We got them together at the same time. So why would my 
one complete the download and install from start to finish and her one asking 
to install now after downloading it?
Just curious.
Sent from Petrus' MacBook

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Re: Zoom Meetings

Interestingly this is not the case with ms teams people can not hear vo but 
they can with zoom 

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 20:15, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
> can't.
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
>> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
>> inconsiderate.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call 
>> and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce 
>> this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute 
>> when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in 
>> settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
>> 
>> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
>> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
>> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
>> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
>> 
>>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
>>> a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
>>> that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
>>> to leave your hands free.
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings