Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

[Mary Otten]

OK, Devon, I’m sorry. I just went to your link. And I see that it is an Apple 
site. That wasn’t clear to me from your first posting, which when I read it, 
made me think it was coming from somebody on Twitter. Anyway, thanks for the 
post.


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> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:06 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> See this page: iOS features
> 
> Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
> braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
> another secret.” Or something.
> Devin Prater
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> 
>> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely 
>> nothing about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That’s 
>> not unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t 
>> announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech 
>> articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, 
>> and if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event regarding 
>> voiceover accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus 
>> bug and email would be my number one, and that’s not a new problem.
>> Mary
>> 
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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

[Mary Otten]

Hi Devon,
So what is the source of this stuff, I mean where did this guy get it? Was it 
from the presentation? That’s all I wanted to know, since it’s not an Apple 
site. Thanks.
Mary


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> On Jun 22, 2020, at 7:20 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Okay, fine. I’ll copy and paste from the accessibility section of the page I 
> linked to:
> 
> Accessibility
> 
> VoiceOver Recognition
> On-device intelligence recognizes key elements displayed on your screen to 
> add VoiceOver support for app and web experiences that don’t have 
> accessibility support built in.
> VoiceOver Recognition: Image descriptions
> VoiceOver reads complete-sentence descriptions of images and photos within 
> apps and on the web.
> VoiceOver Recognition: Text recognition
> VoiceOver speaks the text it identifies within images and photos.
> VoiceOver Recognition: Screen recognition
> VoiceOver automatically detects interface controls to aid in navigating your 
> apps, making them more accessible.
> Headphone Accommodations
> This new accessibility feature is designed to amplify soft sounds and adjust 
> certain frequencies for an individual’s hearing, to help music, movies, phone 
> calls, and podcasts sound more crisp and clear.10 Headphone Accommodations 
> also supports Transparency mode on AirPods Pro, making quiet voices more 
> audible and tuning the sounds of your environment to your hearing needs.
> 
> Devin Prater
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> Https://devinprater.github.io
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Devon, quite honestly, if this isn’t coming from Apple, it’s not worth 
>> very much. So, before I go messing around with the recommended sites, is 
>> this from actual slides in the presentation? Or is this just wishful 
>> thinking from someone in which case, it’s not worth very much.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:06 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> See this page: iOS features
>>> 
>>> Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
>>> braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
>>> another secret.” Or something.
>>> Devin Prater
>>> d.pra...@me.com
>>> Https://devinprater.github.io
>>> 
 On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely 
 nothing about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. 
 That’s not unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they 
 don’t announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the 
 tech articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted 
 person, and if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event 
 regarding voiceover accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. 
 Fix the focus bug and email would be my number one, and that’s not a new 
 problem.
 Mary
 
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RE: Vmware tools for linux.

[Simon A Fogarty]

Normally this is a set of executable files that are or need to be installed to 
your vm machine in your case a linux machine,
It sets up video / graphics and audio related drivers or devices so that your 
vm thinks it is configured as a new machine with the correct device related 
drivers etc.

 On a windows vm the tools are under a virtual CD rom drive 
 So if you  can use a command line instruction to run the setup located at what 
would be your cd drive then you might get something working.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Tuesday, 23 June 2020 2:36 AM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Vmware tools for linux.

Hi!
I actually need to install vmware Tools for Linux but the installer seems 
inaccessible in a graphical environment.
I got some questions that VoiceOver was able to read then nothing more happens.
Is there any console or terminal based installer for vmware tools?
/A

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Re: questions about using the Numbers app on iPhone

[Katie Zodrow]

Hi Jonathan. Thanks for your reply. I wasn’t sure if anyone on the list saw my 
message since I sent it earlier last week.
That’s good you can save a Numbers file to Dropbox. How do you rename a 
template file in Numbers? I couldn’t figure this out when I tried the app on my 
phone back in April. Also how do you delete a Numbers template or spreadsheet 
that you no longer need?
Thanks.
Katie
> On Jun 21, 2020, at 4:31 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> These questions sound like they are all doable, but I have never used the IOS 
> version of numbers. You should be able to save numbers into dropbox as long 
> as you have the dropbox app, just click the share button.
> 
> If you want some help with this, I be willling to assist. 
> 
> Best Wishes,
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>> On Jun 19, 2020, at 12:35 AM, Katie Zodrow  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, everyone.
>> At the end of February, I upgraded from the iPhone 5S to an iPhone 11. I’ve 
>> loved using it ever since, it works great!
>> 
>> I checked out the Numbers application on my iPhone a couple months ago for 
>> the first time. It’s kind of similar to Excel and seems pretty straight 
>> forward to use. I just have some questions about using the app with 
>> Voiceover.
>> 
>> I will be using Numbers for my time sheet info at work. I was wondering if 
>> there’s a way you can rename a template or save a template with a different 
>> name each time in the app with Voiceover? I figured out how to edit 
>> information and can type in the different cells fine after I double tap to 
>> edit something. Is there an option for changing the name of a spread sheet? 
>> Also, can you transfer Numbers files to Dropbox with an iPhone? I don’t have 
>> Numbers on my Mac currently. My computer is too old to upgrade to Mac OS 
>> Catalina. So I’ll have to use this app on my iPhone for now until I get a 
>> new computer.
>> Thanks for your help.
>> Katie
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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

['Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries]

Okay, fine. I’ll copy and paste from the accessibility section of the page I 
linked to:

Accessibility

VoiceOver Recognition
On-device intelligence recognizes key elements displayed on your screen to add 
VoiceOver support for app and web experiences that don’t have accessibility 
support built in.
VoiceOver Recognition: Image descriptions
VoiceOver reads complete-sentence descriptions of images and photos within apps 
and on the web.
VoiceOver Recognition: Text recognition
VoiceOver speaks the text it identifies within images and photos.
VoiceOver Recognition: Screen recognition
VoiceOver automatically detects interface controls to aid in navigating your 
apps, making them more accessible.
Headphone Accommodations
This new accessibility feature is designed to amplify soft sounds and adjust 
certain frequencies for an individual’s hearing, to help music, movies, phone 
calls, and podcasts sound more crisp and clear.10 
 Headphone 
Accommodations also supports Transparency mode on AirPods Pro, making quiet 
voices more audible and tuning the sounds of your environment to your hearing 
needs.

Devin Prater
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> On Jun 22, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Devon, quite honestly, if this isn’t coming from Apple, it’s not worth 
> very much. So, before I go messing around with the recommended sites, is this 
> from actual slides in the presentation? Or is this just wishful thinking from 
> someone in which case, it’s not worth very much.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:06 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> See this page: iOS features 
>> 
>> 
>> Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
>> braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
>> another secret.” Or something.
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com 
>> Https://devinprater.github.io 
>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely 
>>> nothing about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. 
>>> That’s not unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they 
>>> don’t announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the 
>>> tech articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted 
>>> person, and if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event 
>>> regarding voiceover accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. 
>>> Fix the focus bug and email would be my number one, and that’s not a new 
>>> problem.
>>> Mary
>>> 
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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

[Mary Otten]

Hi Devon, quite honestly, if this isn’t coming from Apple, it’s not worth very 
much. So, before I go messing around with the recommended sites, is this from 
actual slides in the presentation? Or is this just wishful thinking from 
someone in which case, it’s not worth very much.
Mary


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> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:06 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> See this page: iOS features
> 
> Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
> braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
> another secret.” Or something.
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com
> Https://devinprater.github.io
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely 
>> nothing about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That’s 
>> not unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t 
>> announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech 
>> articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, 
>> and if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event regarding 
>> voiceover accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus 
>> bug and email would be my number one, and that’s not a new problem.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

['Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries]

See this page: iOS features 

Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
another secret.” Or something.
Devin Prater
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Https://devinprater.github.io 

> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
> In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely nothing 
> about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That’s not 
> unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t 
> announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech 
> articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, and 
> if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event regarding voiceover 
> accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus bug and 
> email would be my number one, and that’s not a new problem.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

['Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries]

See this page: iOS features 

Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
another secret.” Or something.
Devin Prater
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> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely nothing 
> about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That’s not 
> unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t 
> announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech 
> articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, and 
> if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event regarding voiceover 
> accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus bug and 
> email would be my number one, and that’s not a new problem.
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metronome App

[Dezman Jackson]

Hello list,

Can anyone recommend an accessible metronome app for iOS?

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New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

[Mary Otten]

In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely nothing 
about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That’s not 
unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t announce. 
I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech articles I have 
read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, and if anyone knows 
of anything publicly shown at the event regarding voiceover accessibility. I 
can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus bug and email would be my 
number one, and that’s not a new problem.
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Re: iOS 13 Continuous Read Borked—Is It Just Me?

[Petrus Tuerlings]

This might not help but check in the VoiceOver settings under Verbosity to see 
if in bedded is set to Speak? That might have nothing to do with it but might 
as well check.

> On 23/06/2020, at 00:28, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi crowd.
> 
> It's driving me bonkers. Whenever I do a read all in any web content, VO 
> fails to announce links, even as it patiently points out headings, when I 
> really need it to be the other way around, as it once used to be, not that 
> long ago I am sure. I could reliably listen to articles; now I have to go 
> back and review for links I may have missed.
> 
> Is it really just me, or is there something I failed to do since some iOS 13 
> update or other borked it?
> 
> Your help appreciated. And yes I know I've been absent for a while; needless 
> to say it's just time pressure, but I still receive list traffic.
> 
> Cheers,
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Re: Accessibility response to my query re VO reading comments on iPad

[Julie Rattray]

Thanks this is really helpful 

> On 22 Jun 2020, at 16:58, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> I sent my question about reading comments on the iPad to Apple Accessibility. 
> I'm forwarding their response below in case it is of interest to anyone else 
> on the list. As you'll see, it includes a link to iPad keyboard shortcuts. I 
> knew many of them, but not all of them.  Hope this is helpful
> Cheers,
> Donna
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>> Begin forwarded message:
>> Hello Donna,
>> 
>> Thank you for your email. You can use the Actions rotor in Pages to activate 
>> “Show comment,” “Show next change or comment,” or “Show previous change or 
>> comment.” Activating either one of these actions will place VoiceOver on the 
>> next or previous comment that was left in the Pages document. You can also 
>> use the “Show Annotations” rotor when the focus of VoiceOver is placed on 
>> the body of the document. 
>> 
>> If you happen to be using a keyboard with your iPad, we also have a list of 
>> handy keyboard shortcuts that are available both with and without VoiceOver 
>> enabled for Pages.
>> 
>> https://support.apple.com/guide/pages-ipad/keyboard-shortcuts-tan3b1ff7f35/10.0/ipados/1.0
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Apple Accessibility
>> 
>> For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility 
>> http://www.apple.com/support/accessibility 
>> 
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Accessibility response to my query re VO reading comments on iPad

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

I sent my question about reading comments on the iPad to Apple Accessibility. 
I'm forwarding their response below in case it is of interest to anyone else on 
the list. As you'll see, it includes a link to iPad keyboard shortcuts. I knew 
many of them, but not all of them.  Hope this is helpful
Cheers,
Donna

> Begin forwarded message:
> Hello Donna,
> 
> Thank you for your email. You can use the Actions rotor in Pages to activate 
> “Show comment,” “Show next change or comment,” or “Show previous change or 
> comment.” Activating either one of these actions will place VoiceOver on the 
> next or previous comment that was left in the Pages document. You can also 
> use the “Show Annotations” rotor when the focus of VoiceOver is placed on the 
> body of the document. 
> 
> If you happen to be using a keyboard with your iPad, we also have a list of 
> handy keyboard shortcuts that are available both with and without VoiceOver 
> enabled for Pages.
> 
> https://support.apple.com/guide/pages-ipad/keyboard-shortcuts-tan3b1ff7f35/10.0/ipados/1.0
>  
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Apple Accessibility
> 
> For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
> http://www.apple.com/accessibility 
> http://www.apple.com/support/accessibility 
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Vmware tools for linux.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I actually need to install vmware Tools for Linux but the installer seems 
inaccessible in a graphical environment.
I got some questions that VoiceOver was able to read then nothing more happens.
Is there any console or terminal based installer for vmware tools?
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iOS 13 Continuous Read Borked—Is It Just Me?

['Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hi crowd.

It's driving me bonkers. Whenever I do a read all in any web content, VO fails 
to announce links, even as it patiently points out headings, when I really need 
it to be the other way around, as it once used to be, not that long ago I am 
sure. I could reliably listen to articles; now I have to go back and review for 
links I may have missed.

Is it really just me, or is there something I failed to do since some iOS 13 
update or other borked it?

Your help appreciated. And yes I know I've been absent for a while; needless to 
say it's just time pressure, but I still receive list traffic.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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Re: Parler Social in Safari accessibility

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Eric,

I asked sighted assistance to go past the captcha both in Safari and in Parler 
iphone app.  There’ are huge accessibility issues with the mobile app in that 
lots of buttons and tabs are not labelled.  In safari, I’ve managed to find 
some people to follow and even send some posts but it’s very hit and miss.  I 
do hope the developers are going to be receptive or else we will be locked out 
of Parler altogether.

Andrew
> On 22 Jun 2020, at 03:04, Eric Oyen  wrote:
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> I gave up on it because of the captcha. I have no visual help here. There 
> have been numerous attempts by me to contact the company that created the 
> Parler network, but all they have are online forms that also use a visual 
> only captcha. Seriously, for a social network that wants everyone to join, 
> they are doing a good job of locking out the blind.
> 
> Btw, I tried on chrome, safari, Firefox and even Microsoft edge on windows. 
> No way around the captcha and the app isn’t helpful on the iPhone either as a 
> captcha is required there too. g.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2020, at 3:23 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> Does anyone use Parler Social on the mac via safari?  i’ve just signed up to 
>> it but it’s really hard to use.  There was also a captcha without audio 
>> alternative & I had to use sighted help to sign up.  Any experience or tip 
>> would be helpful.
>> 
>> Thank you
>> 
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Re: Parler Social in Safari accessibility

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

That would be fabulous.  Their mobile app is not very accessible either.  most 
buttons and tabs are unlabelled.

Andrew
> On 22 Jun 2020, at 09:47, Dezman Jackson  wrote:
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> I think I may have an inside contact for Parler that I'm going to reach out 
> to. I'll keep everyone posted.
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>> On Jun 21, 2020, at 10:04 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
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Re: Parler Social in Safari accessibility

[Dezman Jackson]

I think I may have an inside contact for Parler that I'm going to reach out to. 
I'll keep everyone posted.

Dezman

> On Jun 21, 2020, at 10:04 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
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