Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Brad Snyder]

I completely agree.  I can’t believe the moderator has been silent and allowed 
this crap to go on.
Unlike a Groups.io  email list, I am not aware of a way to 
mute a topic.
It appears that the only way to deal with this is to unsubscribe from the list.

- Brad -


On Jul 2, 2020, at 00:53, alia robinson  wrote:

and my point is made. we just lost a good member of the list as opposed to this 
piece of trash who is spouting this shit and staying. I too am gone. I can get 
mac support anywhere. I am ashamed of what I’ve seen here, and to those who 
were supportive you rock. to people like ray, phil and chuck I am just hopeful 
of a future world where these attitudes and the people spouting them are gone. 


On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:47 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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Hi,

Publicly, I cannot support nor listen to this sort of insensitive bigotry.  
I’ve got much better things to do with my time and would prefer to surround 
myself with tolerant, respectful people.  Sadly, I am unsubscribing from this 
list.

Those who care to make contact can connect with me directly.

Later…



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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Julie Rattray]

I am sorry that Simon’s well crafted message did not put an end to this and sad 
to see that we have now lost two members publicly and possibly more behind the 
scenes. 

I will not re-itterate the arguments that have already been made about the 
inappropriateness of this thread but would like to just say that despite 
several requests to end it which may have allowed us to move on it has 
continued. I now feel that I have no choice but also to remove myself from the 
list - I had hoped that the list moderators would have stepped in and put an 
end to this but as they have not I feel like others I can no longer be part of 
this group which if, even in small part, by lack of action is supporting hugely 
inappropriate and offensive behaviour.

> On 2 Jul 2020, at 06:53, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> and my point is made. we just lost a good member of the list as opposed to 
> this piece of trash who is spouting this shit and staying. I too am gone. I 
> can get mac support anywhere. I am ashamed of what I’ve seen here, and to 
> those who were supportive you rock. to people like ray, phil and chuck I am 
> just hopeful of a future world where these attitudes and the people spouting 
> them are gone. 
> 
> 
> On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:47 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Publicly, I cannot support nor listen to this sort of insensitive bigotry.  
> I’ve got much better things to do with my time and would prefer to surround 
> myself with tolerant, respectful people.  Sadly, I am unsubscribing from this 
> list.
> 
> Those who care to make contact can connect with me directly.
> 
> Later…
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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[alia robinson]

and my point is made. we just lost a good member of the list as opposed to this 
piece of trash who is spouting this shit and staying. I too am gone. I can get 
mac support anywhere. I am ashamed of what I’ve seen here, and to those who 
were supportive you rock. to people like ray, phil and chuck I am just hopeful 
of a future world where these attitudes and the people spouting them are gone. 


On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:47 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

Publicly, I cannot support nor listen to this sort of insensitive bigotry.  
I’ve got much better things to do with my time and would prefer to surround 
myself with tolerant, respectful people.  Sadly, I am unsubscribing from this 
list.

Those who care to make contact can connect with me directly.

Later…


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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[alia robinson]

religious and political sigs have no place on a mac list. the only thing we 
should be speaking about are our macs. if white racists   want to start their 
own group go ahead. funny how you bigots tout free speech until someone calls 
you out on your hate, and then we need to shut up! free speech goes both ways, 
and when hate is spoken people who care call it out. at least I do. I am a 
bisexual liberal witch, but you don’t see me coming on here with signatures 
about it b/c it’s not the appropriate place. take it off list.
On Jul 1, 2020, at 9:01 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:

I don’t see how there’s anything bigoted, racist, disrespectful, or insensitive 
about Ray’s signature. The man is white he’s a Christian and he’s from the 
south, and he’s tired of being told That all those three things are terrible. 
And simon, why should ray have to remove his signature when we are exposed to 
the crap about ancient aliens every day. Frankly I don’t like hearing about 
aliens as our progenitors, or whatever the hell he believes, but I don’t get my 
nose all out of joint about it. Nobody has to shut up or wipe their signatures. 
That’s called free-speech, and that’s One of the main reasons  why we threw the 
British crown out of the colonies, so we could speak our damn minds. apparently 
 You all hate free-speech and you love conformity and that’s really too damn 
bad.

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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Dave Carlson]

Tim,
You did not give out your personal email. Not sure how to reach you. Mine is 
dgcarlson0...@gmail.com

Dave Carlson
 Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker




On Jul 1, 2020, at 9:47 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

Publicly, I cannot support nor listen to this sort of insensitive bigotry.  
I’ve got much better things to do with my time and would prefer to surround 
myself with tolerant, respectful people.  Sadly, I am unsubscribing from this 
list.

Those who care to make contact can connect with me directly.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 1, 2020, at 7:10 PM, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:

Phill, a huge thank you.  I’m purposefully doing this openly because it’s not 
easy to stand alone against the ridicule of others.  Therefore, I think support 
given publicly needs to be acknowledged publicly.  
I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness

Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

> On Jul 1, 2020, at 8:01 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I don’t see how there’s anything bigoted, racist, disrespectful, or 
> insensitive about Ray’s signature. The man is white he’s a Christian and he’s 
> from the south, and he’s tired of being told That all those three things are 
> terrible. And simon, why should ray have to remove his signature when we are 
> exposed to the crap about ancient aliens every day. Frankly I don’t like 
> hearing about aliens as our progenitors, or whatever the hell he believes, 
> but I don’t get my nose all out of joint about it. Nobody has to shut up or 
> wipe their signatures. That’s called free-speech, and that’s One of the main 
> reasons  why we threw the British crown out of the colonies, so we could 
> speak our damn minds. apparently  You all hate free-speech and you love 
> conformity and that’s really too damn bad.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:15 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> 
>> What  I  Meant was: Mr.BarefootRay's Signature Represents "Him"
>> &
>> I  Rather Know Where "He" Stands
>> 
>> All that  You Said about Mr.BarefootRay, I  AgreeWith
>> 
>> MyApologies if There was a  MisUnderStanding with MyOPreviousPosting to 
>> ThisThread
>> 
>> 
>> At 02:29 PM 7/1/2020, you wrote:
>>> other than it’s bigoted and racist, and disrespectful and insensitive, no 
>>> there’s not a *thing* wrong with that! *rolling eyes*
>>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Robin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don'tThink:
>>> There's AnyThing Wrong with Mr.BarefootRay's Signature, so He shouldn't Be 
>>> Forced to Change or Alter HisSignature.
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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Publicly, I cannot support nor listen to this sort of insensitive bigotry.  
I’ve got much better things to do with my time and would prefer to surround 
myself with tolerant, respectful people.  Sadly, I am unsubscribing from this 
list.

Those who care to make contact can connect with me directly.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 1, 2020, at 7:10 PM, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:

Phill, a huge thank you.  I’m purposefully doing this openly because it’s not 
easy to stand alone against the ridicule of others.  Therefore, I think support 
given publicly needs to be acknowledged publicly.  
I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness

Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

> On Jul 1, 2020, at 8:01 PM, Phil Halton  > wrote:
> 
> I don’t see how there’s anything bigoted, racist, disrespectful, or 
> insensitive about Ray’s signature. The man is white he’s a Christian and he’s 
> from the south, and he’s tired of being told That all those three things are 
> terrible. And simon, why should ray have to remove his signature when we are 
> exposed to the crap about ancient aliens every day. Frankly I don’t like 
> hearing about aliens as our progenitors, or whatever the hell he believes, 
> but I don’t get my nose all out of joint about it. Nobody has to shut up or 
> wipe their signatures. That’s called free-speech, and that’s One of the main 
> reasons  why we threw the British crown out of the colonies, so we could 
> speak our damn minds. apparently  You all hate free-speech and you love 
> conformity and that’s really too damn bad.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:15 PM, Robin > > wrote:
>> 
>> What  I  Meant was: Mr.BarefootRay's Signature Represents "Him"
>> &
>> I  Rather Know Where "He" Stands
>> 
>> All that  You Said about Mr.BarefootRay, I  AgreeWith
>> 
>> MyApologies if There was a  MisUnderStanding with MyOPreviousPosting to 
>> ThisThread
>> 
>> 
>> At 02:29 PM 7/1/2020, you wrote:
>>> other than it’s bigoted and racist, and disrespectful and insensitive, no 
>>> there’s not a *thing* wrong with that! *rolling eyes*
>>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Robin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don'tThink:
>>> There's AnyThing Wrong with Mr.BarefootRay's Signature, so He shouldn't Be 
>>> Forced to Change or Alter HisSignature.
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Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

['Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

macOS Braille support is already generally poor, but it is very noticeable in 
Safari where scrolling/panning behaviour is completely broken.

Alternatives are Chromium-based browsers, but those aren't immune from ceisures 
either; use a Windows screen reader for the smoothest experience across the 
board, sorry to say. You can avoid it for a long time by employing content 
blockers to strip out much of the crud before it even loads in Safari, but it 
means work for you when you need full access to a site so I don't recommend it 
to "novice" users. But it hardly changes the reality that you'll have a Windows 
VM on standby, or access to a Windows system, for some unavoidable web and 
other tasks. This has always struck me as disappointing given iOS doesn't seem 
to have quite the same nonsense going on and it seems to have got worse in 
recent versions of macOS.

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Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Jonathan Cohn]

Interesting I find that Braille support in Firefox with web pages to not be as 
useful as JAWS. I don't have a lot of issues with Braille and Safari, though I 
don't use Safari for testing systems at work, and I don't use Braille for 
pleasure, so I don't use Safari with Braille very often.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jul 1, 2020, at 10:48 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> VoiceOver is quite intuitive when you get used to it.
> The only good about jaws is the braille support.
> Here VoiceOver still has a lot to come up with.
> The best screenReader for firefox though is on windows NVDA and on Linux i 
> guess there’s only ORCA.
> I don’t know if the project Clifox exist anymore.
> Where someone wanted to put together a console based version of ff.
> /A
> 
>> 30 juni 2020 kl. 22:35 skrev Karen Lewellen :
>> 
>> granted  I am not overly objective, but issues for jaws seem, at least to 
>> me,  more sensible than  with the mac.
>> Speaking personally, and not fully from first hand experience, Voiceover's 
>> built in aspect seems easier to work with than Jaws often-i-hear. flakiness.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, 30 Jun 2020, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
>> 
>>> Firefox was also inaccessible to jaws users for a while as well.
>>> 
>>> I can only assume that it's accessibility is coming back as well.
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2020 4:55 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
>>> 
>>> Actually, given how long Firefox has been around, what was the hold up?
>>> Did many feel that Safari did a solid enough job that working with Firefox  
>>> was not needful.  I am interested, because Firefox started as a Linux tool 
>>> I believe, and Linux as an offshoot of Unix shares aspects with the mac.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 30 Jun 2020, Robin wrote:
>>> 
 Just Wonderin:
 How does The Accessibility  compare to  its PC i.e., Windows
 CounterPart & I'm Talkin'About  the InternetBrowser, FireFox on The MAC?
 
 Let's get This Thread Back-on-Track
 
 Blessin'sAgain!
 At 09:37 AM 6/30/2020, you wrote:
> Nonsense like this has no place on this list! Stop it!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  On Behalf Of alia robinson
> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 10:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
> 
> and things like this is why crap like that signature shouldn’t be
> allowed. it brings out the crazy conspiracy theroists. LMAO turn off
> alex jones.
> 
> On Jun 30, 2020, at 11:02 AM, CHUCK REICHEL
>  wrote:
> 
> Amen Ray!
> 
> The whole thing including the "Communist Chinese Biological weapon attack"
> is just the "Deep State attempting another election year scam!
> Guys look up   George Soros and how he's  funding antifa & MS 13 to
> continually foment the Violence which has nothing to do with Black lives!
> May be you guys are not aware  of the fact 90% of the news you're
> being fed is controlled by "6 corporations"
> Thats called a monopoly!
> Just another way to try and overthrow my USA Government.
> It aint gonna happen guys!
> Just watch!
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Re: Firefox on the Mac somewhat works now.

[Jonathan Cohn]

SO DOES THE ROTOR BRING UP NOTHING IN ANY CATEGORY, OR NOTHING AT all or is 
every list in it blank? Also, is this the production or beta?
 
Best wishes, 

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jul 1, 2020, at 2:07 PM, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:
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> I have found Firefox to work better with VoiceOver (VO). However, VO + I 
> brings up a small list of Items (about 37 items). VO + U has nothing but a 
> blank window.
> 
> Angus MacKinnon, Personalism Student
> Ghandi said, “ It is better to have a heart without words than words without 
> a heart.”
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Re: Outlook for Mac Exhange Server Archives

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,
Macintosh Mail, Contacts Notes calendars and reminders can all sync to some 
level with Microsoft 365 exchange servers. I believe they also work with older 
Exchange servers. So for my work Macintosh, I use Outlook for interaction, but 
also went into Internet accounts and set up an Exchange account that receives 
Contacts, Calendars and Reminders. This way I get the superior notifications 
from the Macintosh application and also can use the Microsoft platform for 
changing items hopefully avoiding some of the situation where Macs did not 
quite meet the exchange protocols. 
HTH!
Jonathan

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



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> I am moving from an exchange Server access through Outlook for Mac.  How can 
> I achieve emails , contacts, etc to my local or cloud drives?  Also is there 
> a way to download (Batch download) files attached to the emails?
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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Raymond Foret Jr]

Phill, a huge thank you.  I’m purposefully doing this openly because it’s not 
easy to stand alone against the ridicule of others.  Therefore, I think support 
given publicly needs to be acknowledged publicly.  
I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness

Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

> On Jul 1, 2020, at 8:01 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> I don’t see how there’s anything bigoted, racist, disrespectful, or 
> insensitive about Ray’s signature. The man is white he’s a Christian and he’s 
> from the south, and he’s tired of being told That all those three things are 
> terrible. And simon, why should ray have to remove his signature when we are 
> exposed to the crap about ancient aliens every day. Frankly I don’t like 
> hearing about aliens as our progenitors, or whatever the hell he believes, 
> but I don’t get my nose all out of joint about it. Nobody has to shut up or 
> wipe their signatures. That’s called free-speech, and that’s One of the main 
> reasons  why we threw the British crown out of the colonies, so we could 
> speak our damn minds. apparently  You all hate free-speech and you love 
> conformity and that’s really too damn bad.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 6:15 PM, Robin  wrote:
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>> What  I  Meant was: Mr.BarefootRay's Signature Represents "Him"
>> &
>> I  Rather Know Where "He" Stands
>> 
>> All that  You Said about Mr.BarefootRay, I  AgreeWith
>> 
>> MyApologies if There was a  MisUnderStanding with MyOPreviousPosting to 
>> ThisThread
>> 
>> 
>> At 02:29 PM 7/1/2020, you wrote:
>>> other than it’s bigoted and racist, and disrespectful and insensitive, no 
>>> there’s not a *thing* wrong with that! *rolling eyes*
>>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Robin  wrote:
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>>> Don'tThink:
>>> There's AnyThing Wrong with Mr.BarefootRay's Signature, so He shouldn't Be 
>>> Forced to Change or Alter HisSignature.
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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Phil Halton]

I don’t see how there’s anything bigoted, racist, disrespectful, or insensitive 
about Ray’s signature. The man is white he’s a Christian and he’s from the 
south, and he’s tired of being told That all those three things are terrible. 
And simon, why should ray have to remove his signature when we are exposed to 
the crap about ancient aliens every day. Frankly I don’t like hearing about 
aliens as our progenitors, or whatever the hell he believes, but I don’t get my 
nose all out of joint about it. Nobody has to shut up or wipe their signatures. 
That’s called free-speech, and that’s One of the main reasons  why we threw the 
British crown out of the colonies, so we could speak our damn minds. apparently 
 You all hate free-speech and you love conformity and that’s really too damn 
bad.

Sent from my IPhone


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> What  I  Meant was: Mr.BarefootRay's Signature Represents "Him"
> &
> I  Rather Know Where "He" Stands
> 
> All that  You Said about Mr.BarefootRay, I  AgreeWith
> 
> MyApologies if There was a  MisUnderStanding with MyOPreviousPosting to 
> ThisThread
> 
> 
> At 02:29 PM 7/1/2020, you wrote:
>> other than it’s bigoted and racist, and disrespectful and insensitive, no 
>> there’s not a *thing* wrong with that! *rolling eyes*
>> 
>> On Jul 1, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Robin  wrote:
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>> Don'tThink:
>> There's AnyThing Wrong with Mr.BarefootRay's Signature, so He shouldn't Be 
>> Forced to Change or Alter HisSignature.
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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Robin]

What  I  Meant was: Mr.BarefootRay's Signature Represents "Him"
&
 I  Rather Know Where "He" Stands

All that  You Said about Mr.BarefootRay, I  AgreeWith

MyApologies if There was a  MisUnderStanding with 
MyOPreviousPosting to ThisThread



At 02:29 PM 7/1/2020, you wrote:
other than it’s bigoted and racist, and 
disrespectful and insensitive, no there’s not 
a *thing* wrong with that! *rolling eyes*


On Jul 1, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Robin  wrote:

Don'tThink:
There's AnyThing Wrong with Mr.BarefootRay's 
Signature, so He shouldn't Be Forced to Change or Alter HisSignature.


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Re: Frustrated with captcha.

[Tim M]

I did the audio and found it actually useable for once.
> On Jul 1, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Trying to register to GitHub.
> But there’s a verification by captcha there.
> THe first one has an audio option but the next one is a puzzle.
> Is anyone here registered at github and may be able to give me some help.
> /A
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Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
Still using Safari, it's not so bad that you can’t use it but i just feel that 
in some situations, it can be outstripped by Google Chrome.
Even many websites seem to take a big dislike to Safari for some reason.

> On 2 Jul 2020, at 5:54 am, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Now that is interesting.
> may i ask what you are using on your mac instead?
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2 Jul 2020, Michael Marshall wrote:
> 
>> Hey, must disagree on Safari.
>> In my personal experience, I think Safari Accessibility has actually dropped 
>> significantly in recent operating systems.
>> It will be interesting to see what it is like in the upcoming system.
>> 
>>> On 2 Jul 2020, at 12:43 am, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Well, safari has always been very good imho.
>>> However i have since i was both a windows aand a Linux user used firefox a 
>>> lot and have loved its interface.
>>> /A
>>> 
 30 juni 2020 kl. 18:55 skrev Karen Lewellen :
 
 Actually, given how long Firefox has been around, what was the hold up?
 Did many feel that Safari did a solid enough job that working with Firefox 
  was not needful.  I am interested, because Firefox started as a Linux 
 tool I believe, and Linux as an offshoot of Unix shares aspects with the 
 mac.
 
 
 
 On Tue, 30 Jun 2020, Robin wrote:
 
> Just Wonderin:
> How does The Accessibility  compare to  its PC i.e., Windows CounterPart 
> & I'm Talkin'About  the InternetBrowser, FireFox on The MAC?
> 
> Let's get This Thread Back-on-Track
> 
> Blessin'sAgain!
> At 09:37 AM 6/30/2020, you wrote:
>> Nonsense like this has no place on this list! Stop it!
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
>> On Behalf Of alia robinson
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 10:06 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
>> and things like this is why crap like that signature shouldn’t be 
>> allowed. it brings out the crazy conspiracy theroists. LMAO turn off 
>> alex jones.
>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 11:02 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>>  wrote:
>> Amen Ray!
>> The whole thing including the "Communist Chinese Biological weapon 
>> attack" is just the "Deep State attempting another election year scam!
>> Guys look up   George Soros and how he's  funding antifa & MS 13 to 
>> continually foment the Violence which has nothing to do with Black lives!
>> May be you guys are not aware  of the fact 90% of the news you're being 
>> fed is controlled by "6 corporations"
>> Thats called a monopoly!
>> Just another way to try and overthrow my USA Government.
>> It aint gonna happen guys!
>> Just watch!
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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[alia robinson]

other than it’s bigoted and racist, and disrespectful and insensitive, no 
there’s not a *thing* wrong with that! *rolling eyes*

On Jul 1, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Robin  wrote:

Don'tThink:
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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Robin]

Don'tThink:
There's AnyThing Wrong with Mr.BarefootRay's 
Signature, so He shouldn't Be Forced to Change or Alter HisSignature.


But HisSignature should Be Ignored By Those,Who 
Don'tBelieve as Well as Those, Who Do Believe as he Does


Let's Not Allow  a  Subscriber'sSignature   to Derail  Threads.
Just Stay ON the Topic of the Thread


At 01:38 AM 7/1/2020, you wrote:

Hi Folks,

I know for a fact this has already been brought 
to the attention of the list moderators


So before Mark has to put his foot down,
Could we be adults about this and bring the list 
back to those issues the list is here for,

That being Mac / apple computer related issues?!

Ray,
We all have our own views on different things, 
but we cann all keep them to ourselves and or out of our email signatures.


Could you please be mature about this and 
respect the lists views and remove your current 
signature / comment and we can go back to a 
friendly computing related email list where 
everyone respects everyone else for their computing abilities and helpfulness


Thanks to all for enddning this Non IT related posting here.


Regards,


Simon F

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Raymond Foret Jr

Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2020 8:14 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

Oh and I suppose you’re not going to be told 
you can’t say what you just 
said?  Really?  Well, at least I have one honest 
friend out here backing me up.

I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness

Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

On Jun 30, 2020, at 10:33 AM, Robin 
<robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:


MayBe
That's Because
You,Mr.Ray i.e., Mr.BarFootRay haven't  Gone 
Through the Experiences  that They Have 
and/or  Are  a  Product of SuchExperiences

i.e., YourPrivileged Life

Say IT Loud & Proud, so EveryOne knows "where" You Stand!
as
I  MuchPrefer to KnowThis

BlackLives Matter & ALL Lives can't Matter Until BlackLives Matter!!!

Just Sayin

Blessin's 2  You AnyWayz
At 03:57 AM 6/30/2020, you wrote:

Just the truth.  I̢۪m sicsick and tired of 
people on my side telling us we can’t„¢t 
stand up for it but BLM can stand up for theirs̢۪. MO MORE!



I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness

Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray


On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:27 PM, 'E.T.' via 
MacVisionaries 
< 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:


Raymond,
  Isn't that quote of yours a bit over the top and offensive?

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/29/2020 8:24 PM, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:

I very much doubt my current Mac will support 
this so I̢۪ll need to get a new one next 
year.  Maybe be I should wait till I can get a 
maxed out Mac mini with the new Apple chip set.

I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness
Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
Sincerely,
The constantly barefooted Ray

On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:29 PM, Mike Arrigo 
<n0...@charter.net < 
mailto:n0...@charter.net>> wrote:


This is really exciting, hopefully we will have 
very good voiceover support in Firefox very 
soon, and I would say that it is already off to a great start.
https://blog.mozilla.org/accessibility/proper-voiceover-support-coming-soon-to-firefox-on-macos/ 



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Outlook for Mac Exhange Server Archives

[Marc Liles]

Hello All.

I am moving from an exchange Server access through Outlook for Mac.  How can I 
achieve emails , contacts, etc to my local or cloud drives?  Also is there a 
way to download (Batch download) files attached to the emails?

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RE: Microsoft outlook on the Mac

[hermanfermin]

Please share this feedback with Microsoft Outlook. The auto-completion works 
fine in Apple Mail and in Spotlight. Although accessibility for Outlook on the 
Mac has come a long way, this is one particular area where it is really 
lacking. Especially when as a keyboard only user, you do not have to jump to a 
completely different window in order to get to your choices/options to fill in. 
A keyboard only user just arrows up and down to get those choices and hits 
enter on the one that is desired. 

HF

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Julie Rattray
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 9:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Microsoft outlook on the Mac

That would be a fab script if you could make it happen I have just started 
using outlook as it is useful to schedule teams meetings where you are inviting 
others as it puts the link straight in to the invite but it is a little clunky 
to keep switching windows when adding multiple recipients to messages etc 

> On 1 Jul 2020, at 04:21, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> The name completion for Outlook uses a separate window, the window is  
> accessible, but might vanish if you use command-accent to sswitch to it, not 
> sure because I stopped trying several versions ago. What I do, is type the 
> first few characters of who I am sending the message to wait a second for 
> VoiceOver to say Outlook has a new window. I then bring up a window list 
> numpad-/ if you are using numpad commander, twofinger tab on right of touch 
> pad if using touchpad commander, or VO-F2 twice. You can then type in “co” 
> and will find the only selection is contacts. select that and in this window 
> is a list of completions.
> If you beg me to, I could look to see if a AppleScript could make this 
> easier. 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 5:04 PM, 'Nancy Badger' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> hi everyone,
>> I have been partially sighted for the past several years. I have to switch 
>> to complete voice over now because of a surgery I cannot see at all. I am 
>> using voice over with Microsoft outlook on the Mac. When I type a name into 
>> the two column, I can’t figure out how to get to the options. In other words 
>> if I type an email to Doe and I want to click on John Doe, how do I do that 
>> using voiceover? Also if anyone has a list of keyboard commands for 
>> Microsoft outlook I would be very appreciative.
>> Thanks so much!
>> Nancy
>> 
>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>> Executive Director of Counseling
>> Old Dominion University
>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
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Frustrated with captcha.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Trying to register to GitHub.
But there’s a verification by captcha there.
THe first one has an audio option but the next one is a puzzle.
Is anyone here registered at github and may be able to give me some help.
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Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Braille together with safari is a mess.
I really don’t know how many times i have told accessibility to do something 
about that but nothing.
/A

> 1 juli 2020 kl. 21:40 skrev Michael Marshall :
> 
> Hey, must disagree on Safari.
> In my personal experience, I think Safari Accessibility has actually dropped 
> significantly in recent operating systems.
> It will be interesting to see what it is like in the upcoming system.
> 
>> On 2 Jul 2020, at 12:43 am, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Well, safari has always been very good imho.
>> However i have since i was both a windows aand a Linux user used firefox a 
>> lot and have loved its interface.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 30 juni 2020 kl. 18:55 skrev Karen Lewellen :
>>> 
>>> Actually, given how long Firefox has been around, what was the hold up?
>>> Did many feel that Safari did a solid enough job that working with Firefox  
>>> was not needful.  I am interested, because Firefox started as a Linux tool 
>>> I believe, and Linux as an offshoot of Unix shares aspects with the mac.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 30 Jun 2020, Robin wrote:
>>> 
 Just Wonderin:
 How does The Accessibility  compare to  its PC i.e., Windows CounterPart & 
 I'm Talkin'About  the InternetBrowser, FireFox on The MAC?
 
 Let's get This Thread Back-on-Track
 
 Blessin'sAgain!
 At 09:37 AM 6/30/2020, you wrote:
> Nonsense like this has no place on this list! Stop it!
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
> On Behalf Of alia robinson
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
> and things like this is why crap like that signature shouldn’t be 
> allowed. it brings out the crazy conspiracy theroists. LMAO turn off alex 
> jones.
> On Jun 30, 2020, at 11:02 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>  wrote:
> Amen Ray!
> The whole thing including the "Communist Chinese Biological weapon 
> attack" is just the "Deep State attempting another election year scam!
> Guys look up   George Soros and how he's  funding antifa & MS 13 to 
> continually foment the Violence which has nothing to do with Black lives!
> May be you guys are not aware  of the fact 90% of the news you're being 
> fed is controlled by "6 corporations"
> Thats called a monopoly!
> Just another way to try and overthrow my USA Government.
> It aint gonna happen guys!
> Just watch!
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Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Karen Lewellen]

Now that is interesting.
may i ask what you are using on your mac instead?



On Thu, 2 Jul 2020, Michael Marshall wrote:


Hey, must disagree on Safari.
In my personal experience, I think Safari Accessibility has actually dropped 
significantly in recent operating systems.
It will be interesting to see what it is like in the upcoming system.


On 2 Jul 2020, at 12:43 am, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Well, safari has always been very good imho.
However i have since i was both a windows aand a Linux user used firefox a lot 
and have loved its interface.
/A


30 juni 2020 kl. 18:55 skrev Karen Lewellen :

Actually, given how long Firefox has been around, what was the hold up?
Did many feel that Safari did a solid enough job that working with Firefox  was 
not needful.  I am interested, because Firefox started as a Linux tool I 
believe, and Linux as an offshoot of Unix shares aspects with the mac.



On Tue, 30 Jun 2020, Robin wrote:


Just Wonderin:
How does The Accessibility  compare to  its PC i.e., Windows CounterPart & I'm 
Talkin'About  the InternetBrowser, FireFox on The MAC?

Let's get This Thread Back-on-Track

Blessin'sAgain!
At 09:37 AM 6/30/2020, you wrote:

Nonsense like this has no place on this list! Stop it!
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of alia robinson
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 10:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
and things like this is why crap like that signature shouldn’t be allowed. it 
brings out the crazy conspiracy theroists. LMAO turn off alex jones.
On Jun 30, 2020, at 11:02 AM, CHUCK REICHEL  
wrote:
Amen Ray!
The whole thing including the "Communist Chinese Biological weapon attack" is just 
the "Deep State attempting another election year scam!
Guys look up   George Soros and how he's  funding antifa & MS 13 to continually 
foment the Violence which has nothing to do with Black lives!
May be you guys are not aware  of the fact 90% of the news you're being fed is controlled 
by "6 corporations"
Thats called a monopoly!
Just another way to try and overthrow my USA Government.
It aint gonna happen guys!
Just watch!
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Re: 2020 Macbook Pro 13"

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
I just got mine not to long ago. I have the tenth gen I5 with 16 gigs of ram 
and a 1 tb hard rive. So far it is working well. The Touch Bar is not hard to 
use. I have not found much use for it though. Most of what I used function keys 
for I can do with key commands. For example using VO plus the plus or minus 
keys to raise and lower volume. Also if you use VO plus function plus one of 
the number row keys you can activate most VO functions. For example VO plus 
function plus the number row one brings up the application chooser. 

Greg Wocher


> On Jul 1, 2020, at 1:15 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   This is on my wish list but it will be a while. Meantime thise who got one, 
> what are your impressions so far? If you didn't have the Touch Bar before, 
> was it easy or difficult to get used to?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Michael Marshall]

Hey, must disagree on Safari.
In my personal experience, I think Safari Accessibility has actually dropped 
significantly in recent operating systems.
It will be interesting to see what it is like in the upcoming system.

> On 2 Jul 2020, at 12:43 am, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Well, safari has always been very good imho.
> However i have since i was both a windows aand a Linux user used firefox a 
> lot and have loved its interface.
> /A
> 
>> 30 juni 2020 kl. 18:55 skrev Karen Lewellen :
>> 
>> Actually, given how long Firefox has been around, what was the hold up?
>> Did many feel that Safari did a solid enough job that working with Firefox  
>> was not needful.  I am interested, because Firefox started as a Linux tool I 
>> believe, and Linux as an offshoot of Unix shares aspects with the mac.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, 30 Jun 2020, Robin wrote:
>> 
>>> Just Wonderin:
>>> How does The Accessibility  compare to  its PC i.e., Windows CounterPart & 
>>> I'm Talkin'About  the InternetBrowser, FireFox on The MAC?
>>> 
>>> Let's get This Thread Back-on-Track
>>> 
>>> Blessin'sAgain!
>>> At 09:37 AM 6/30/2020, you wrote:
 Nonsense like this has no place on this list! Stop it!
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
 Behalf Of alia robinson
 Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 10:06 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
 and things like this is why crap like that signature shouldn’t be 
 allowed. it brings out the crazy conspiracy theroists. LMAO turn off alex 
 jones.
 On Jun 30, 2020, at 11:02 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
  wrote:
 Amen Ray!
 The whole thing including the "Communist Chinese Biological weapon attack" 
 is just the "Deep State attempting another election year scam!
 Guys look up   George Soros and how he's  funding antifa & MS 13 to 
 continually foment the Violence which has nothing to do with Black lives!
 May be you guys are not aware  of the fact 90% of the news you're being 
 fed is controlled by "6 corporations"
 Thats called a monopoly!
 Just another way to try and overthrow my USA Government.
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 Just watch!
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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[alia robinson]

I wasn’t going to speak up again, but mark is obviously not going to in a 
timely manner, take this shit off list. I don’t need to be dared to look up 
wackadoo conspiracy theories. take your shit off list. no one wants to hear it.
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

> Hi Simon,
> OK.
> falling your line of thought "ET" should take down his promotion of his 
> religion of "Ancient Aliens" signature which offends more people than you 
> kids think!.
> 1984 anybody?
> Don't go to this link unless you want to see what is really happening which 
> threatens our freedom to use our macs in peace!
> https://youtu.be/Bl3reGAukig
> I dare you guys to look up this guy!
> Guys look up   George Soros and how he's  funding antifa & MS 13 to 
> continually foment the Violence which has nothing to do with Black lives!
> Thanks

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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Karen Lewellen]

Chuck,
"God is not the author of confusion"
KJB



On Wed, 1 Jul 2020, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:


Hi Simon,
OK.
falling your line of thought "ET" should take down his promotion of his religion of 
"Ancient Aliens" signature which offends more people than you kids think!.
1984 anybody?
Don't go to this link unless you want to see what is really happening which 
threatens our freedom to use our macs in peace!
https://youtu.be/Bl3reGAukig
I dare you guys to look up this guy!
Guys look up   George Soros and how he's  funding antifa & MS 13 to continually 
foment the Violence which has nothing to do with Black lives!
Thanks
Chuck

"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein???

On Jul 1, 2020, at 4:38 AM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:


Hi Folks,

I know for a fact this has already been brought to the attention of the list 
moderators

So before Mark has to put his foot down,
Could we be adults about this and bring the list back to those issues the list 
is here for,
That being Mac / apple computer related issues?!

Ray,
We all have our own views on different things, but we cann all keep them to 
ourselves and or out of our email signatures.

Could you please be mature about this and respect the lists views and remove 
your current signature / comment and we can go back to a friendly computing 
related email list where everyone respects everyone else for their computing 
abilities and helpfulness

Thanks to all for enddning this Non IT related posting here.


Regards,


Simon F

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Raymond Foret Jr
Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2020 8:14 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

Oh and I suppose you???re not going to be told you can???t say what you just 
said?  Really?  Well, at least I have one honest friend out here backing me up.
I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness

Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

On Jun 30, 2020, at 10:33 AM, Robin  wrote:

MayBe
That's Because
You,Mr.Ray i.e., Mr.BarFootRay haven't  Gone Through the Experiences  that They 
Have and/or  Are  a  Product of SuchExperiences
i.e., YourPrivileged Life

Say IT Loud & Proud, so EveryOne knows "where" You Stand!
as
I  MuchPrefer to KnowThis

BlackLives Matter & ALL Lives can't Matter Until BlackLives Matter!!!

Just Sayin

Blessin's 2  You AnyWayz
At 03:57 AM 6/30/2020, you wrote:

Just the truth.  Im sick and tired of people on my side telling us we 
cant stand up for it but BLM can stand up for theirs.  MO MORE!


I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness

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The constantly barefooted Ray


On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:27 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries < 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Raymond,
  Isn't that quote of yours a bit over the top and offensive?

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On 6/29/2020 8:24 PM, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:

I very much doubt my current Mac will support this so Ill need to get a 
new one next year.  Maybe I should wait till I can get a maxed out Mac mini 
with the new Apple chip set.
I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness
Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
Sincerely,
The constantly barefooted Ray

On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:29 PM, Mike Arrigo mailto:n0...@charter.net>> wrote:

This is really exciting, hopefully we will have very good voiceover support in 
Firefox very soon, and I would say that it is already off to a great start.
https://blog.mozilla.org/accessibility/proper-voiceover-support-coming-soon-to-firefox-on-macos/

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Re: Firefox on the Mac somewhat works now.

[Angus MacKinnon]

I have found Firefox to work better with VoiceOver (VO). However, VO + I brings 
up a small list of Items (about 37 items). VO + U has nothing but a blank 
window.

Angus MacKinnon, Personalism Student
Ghandi said, “ It is better to have a heart without words than words without a 
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2020 Macbook Pro 13"

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   This is on my wish list but it will be a while. Meantime thise who 
got one, what are your impressions so far? If you didn't have the Touch 
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Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
VoiceOver is quite intuitive when you get used to it.
The only good about jaws is the braille support.
Here VoiceOver still has a lot to come up with.
The best screenReader for firefox though is on windows NVDA and on Linux i 
guess there’s only ORCA.
I don’t know if the project Clifox exist anymore.
Where someone wanted to put together a console based version of ff.
/A

> 30 juni 2020 kl. 22:35 skrev Karen Lewellen :
> 
> granted  I am not overly objective, but issues for jaws seem, at least to me, 
>  more sensible than  with the mac.
> Speaking personally, and not fully from first hand experience, Voiceover's 
> built in aspect seems easier to work with than Jaws often-i-hear. flakiness.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 30 Jun 2020, Simon A Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> Firefox was also inaccessible to jaws users for a while as well.
>> 
>> I can only assume that it's accessibility is coming back as well.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
>> Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2020 4:55 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
>> 
>> Actually, given how long Firefox has been around, what was the hold up?
>> Did many feel that Safari did a solid enough job that working with Firefox  
>> was not needful.  I am interested, because Firefox started as a Linux tool I 
>> believe, and Linux as an offshoot of Unix shares aspects with the mac.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, 30 Jun 2020, Robin wrote:
>> 
>>> Just Wonderin:
>>> How does The Accessibility  compare to  its PC i.e., Windows
>>> CounterPart & I'm Talkin'About  the InternetBrowser, FireFox on The MAC?
>>> 
>>> Let's get This Thread Back-on-Track
>>> 
>>> Blessin'sAgain!
>>> At 09:37 AM 6/30/2020, you wrote:
 Nonsense like this has no place on this list! Stop it!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  On Behalf Of alia robinson
 Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 10:06 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
 
 and things like this is why crap like that signature shouldn’t be
 allowed. it brings out the crazy conspiracy theroists. LMAO turn off
 alex jones.
 
 On Jun 30, 2020, at 11:02 AM, CHUCK REICHEL
  wrote:
 
 Amen Ray!
 
 The whole thing including the "Communist Chinese Biological weapon attack"
 is just the "Deep State attempting another election year scam!
 Guys look up   George Soros and how he's  funding antifa & MS 13 to
 continually foment the Violence which has nothing to do with Black lives!
 May be you guys are not aware  of the fact 90% of the news you're
 being fed is controlled by "6 corporations"
 Thats called a monopoly!
 Just another way to try and overthrow my USA Government.
 It aint gonna happen guys!
 Just watch!
 
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Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Well, safari has always been very good imho.
However i have since i was both a windows aand a Linux user used firefox a lot 
and have loved its interface.
/A

> 30 juni 2020 kl. 18:55 skrev Karen Lewellen :
> 
> Actually, given how long Firefox has been around, what was the hold up?
> Did many feel that Safari did a solid enough job that working with Firefox  
> was not needful.  I am interested, because Firefox started as a Linux tool I 
> believe, and Linux as an offshoot of Unix shares aspects with the mac.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 30 Jun 2020, Robin wrote:
> 
>> Just Wonderin:
>> How does The Accessibility  compare to  its PC i.e., Windows CounterPart & 
>> I'm Talkin'About  the InternetBrowser, FireFox on The MAC?
>> 
>> Let's get This Thread Back-on-Track
>> 
>> Blessin'sAgain!
>> At 09:37 AM 6/30/2020, you wrote:
>>> Nonsense like this has no place on this list! Stop it!
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of alia robinson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 10:06 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
>>> and things like this is why crap like that signature shouldn’t be 
>>> allowed. it brings out the crazy conspiracy theroists. LMAO turn off alex 
>>> jones.
>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 11:02 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Amen Ray!
>>> The whole thing including the "Communist Chinese Biological weapon attack" 
>>> is just the "Deep State attempting another election year scam!
>>> Guys look up   George Soros and how he's  funding antifa & MS 13 to 
>>> continually foment the Violence which has nothing to do with Black lives!
>>> May be you guys are not aware  of the fact 90% of the news you're being fed 
>>> is controlled by "6 corporations"
>>> Thats called a monopoly!
>>> Just another way to try and overthrow my USA Government.
>>> It aint gonna happen guys!
>>> Just watch!
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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   As bind / low vision people, we all have encountered discrinination. 
And we have all fought against it.


   Why is it that some practice discrimination against other human 
beings who themselves have been repressed for centuries? Now they are 
fighting against discrimination. What makes white folk think they are 
superior over people of color? I could go on but it's pointless for some 
are so entrenched in tehir thinking it would take a sledgehammer to 
change it.


   Human beings we all are, and we all share a common ancester which 
started in east Africa.


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On 7/1/2020 6:06 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

Hi Simon,
OK.
falling your line of thought "ET" should take down his promotion of his 
religion of "Ancient Aliens" signature which offends more people than 
you kids think!.

1984 anybody?
Don't go to this link unless you want to see what is really happening 
which threatens our freedom to use our macs in peace!

https://youtu.be/Bl3reGAukig
I dare you guys to look up this guy!
Guys look up   George Soros and how he's  funding antifa & MS 13 to 
continually foment the Violence which has nothing to do with Black lives!

Thanks
Chuck

"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’

On Jul 1, 2020, at 4:38 AM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:


Hi Folks,
I know for a fact this has already been brought to the attention of 
the list moderators

So before Mark has to put his foot down,
Could we be adults about this and bring the list back to those issues 
the list is here for,

That being Mac / apple computer related issues?!
Ray,
We all have our own views on different things, but we cann all keep 
them to ourselves and or out of our email signatures.
Could you please be mature about this and respect the lists views and 
remove your current signature / comment and we can go back to a 
friendly computing related email list where everyone respects everyone 
else for their computing abilities and helpfulness

Thanks to all for enddning this Non IT related posting here.
Regards,
Simon F
*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>*On Behalf Of*Raymond Foret Jr

*Sent:*Wednesday, 1 July 2020 8:14 PM
*To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 


*Subject:*Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
Oh and I suppose you’re not going to be told you can’t say what you 
just said?  Really?  Well, at least I have one honest friend out here 
backing me up.

I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness
Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for 
the blind:


Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

On Jun 30, 2020, at 10:33 AM, Robin mailto:robin-mel...@comcast.net>> wrote:
MayBe
That's Because
You,Mr.Ray i.e., Mr.BarFootRay haven't  Gone Through the
Experiences  that They Have and/or  Are  a  Product of SuchExperiences
i.e., YourPrivileged Life

Say IT Loud & Proud, so EveryOne knows "where" You Stand!
as
I  MuchPrefer to KnowThis

BlackLives Matter & ALL Lives can't Matter Until BlackLives Matter!!!

Just Sayin

Blessin's 2  You AnyWayz
At 03:57 AM 6/30/2020, you wrote:

Just the truth.  I’m sick and tired of people on my side
telling us we can’t stand up for it but BLM can stand up for
theirs’.  MO MORE!


I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my
Southernness

Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader
access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray


On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:27 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Raymond,
  Isn't that quote of yours a bit over the top and offensive?

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On 6/29/2020 8:24 PM, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:

I very much doubt my current Mac will support this so
I’ll need to get a new one next year.  Maybe I
should wait till I can get a maxed out Mac mini with
the new Apple chip set.
I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my
Catholicism or my Southernness
Sent from the first computer with built-in screen
reader access for the blind:
Sincerely,
The constantly barefooted Ray

On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:29 PM, Mike Arrigo
mailto:n0...@charter.net>>
wrote:

Thi

Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Matt Turner]

I can’t seem to get to all of the Preferences, even though when I search for 
them, they show up.

> On Jul 1, 2020, at 9:28 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> It's usable, but not as good as on Windows yet, but it's getting there. In 
> the new Firefox 78 I was able to log in to my youtube account and play some 
> videos, I also tried it with some other web sites, I would encourage everyone 
> to give it a try and see what you think.
> Original message:
>> Just Wonderin:
>> How does The Accessibility  compare to  its PC
>> i.e., Windows CounterPart & I'm Talkin'About  the
>> InternetBrowser, FireFox on The MAC?
> 
>> Let's get This Thread Back-on-Track
> 
>> Blessin'sAgain!
>> At 09:37 AM 6/30/2020, you wrote:
>>> Nonsense like this has no place on this list! Stop it!
> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>  On Behalf Of alia robinson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 10:06 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
> 
>>> and things like this is why crap like that
>>> signature shouldn’t be allowed. it brings out
>>> the crazy conspiracy theroists. LMAO turn off alex jones.
> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 11:02 AM, CHUCK REICHEL
>>>  wrote:
> 
>>> Amen Ray!
> 
>>> The whole thing including the "Communist Chinese
>>> Biological weapon attack" is just the "Deep
>>> State attempting another election year scam!
>>> Guys look up   George Soros and how
>>> he's  funding antifa & MS 13 to continually
>>> foment the Violence which has nothing to do with Black lives!
>>> May be you guys are not aware  of the fact 90%
>>> of the news you're being fed is controlled by "6 corporations"
>>> Thats called a monopoly!
>>> Just another way to try and overthrow my USA Government.
>>> It aint gonna happen guys!
>>> Just watch!
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Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Mike Arrigo]

It's usable, but not as good as on Windows yet, but it's getting there. 
In the new Firefox 78 I was able to log in to my youtube account and 
play some videos, I also tried it with some other web sites, I would 
encourage everyone to give it a try and see what you think.

Original message:

Just Wonderin:
How does The Accessibility  compare to  its PC
i.e., Windows CounterPart & I'm Talkin'About  the
InternetBrowser, FireFox on The MAC?



Let's get This Thread Back-on-Track



Blessin'sAgain!
At 09:37 AM 6/30/2020, you wrote:

Nonsense like this has no place on this list! Stop it!



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 On Behalf Of alia robinson
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2020 10:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac



and things like this is why crap like that
signature shouldn’t be allowed. it brings out
the crazy conspiracy theroists. LMAO turn off alex jones.



On Jun 30, 2020, at 11:02 AM, CHUCK REICHEL
 wrote:



Amen Ray!



The whole thing including the "Communist Chinese
Biological weapon attack" is just the "Deep
State attempting another election year scam!
Guys look up   George Soros and how
he's  funding antifa & MS 13 to continually
foment the Violence which has nothing to do with Black lives!
May be you guys are not aware  of the fact 90%
of the news you're being fed is controlled by "6 corporations"
Thats called a monopoly!
Just another way to try and overthrow my USA Government.
It aint gonna happen guys!
Just watch!



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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Simon,
OK.
falling your line of thought "ET" should take down his promotion of his 
religion of "Ancient Aliens" signature which offends more people than you kids 
think!.
1984 anybody?
Don't go to this link unless you want to see what is really happening which 
threatens our freedom to use our macs in peace!
https://youtu.be/Bl3reGAukig
I dare you guys to look up this guy!
Guys look up   George Soros and how he's  funding antifa & MS 13 to continually 
foment the Violence which has nothing to do with Black lives!
Thanks
Chuck

"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’

On Jul 1, 2020, at 4:38 AM, Simon A Fogarty wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>  
> I know for a fact this has already been brought to the attention of the list 
> moderators
>  
> So before Mark has to put his foot down,
> Could we be adults about this and bring the list back to those issues the 
> list is here for,
> That being Mac / apple computer related issues?!
>  
> Ray,
> We all have our own views on different things, but we cann all keep them to 
> ourselves and or out of our email signatures.
>  
> Could you please be mature about this and respect the lists views and remove 
> your current signature / comment and we can go back to a friendly computing 
> related email list where everyone respects everyone else for their computing 
> abilities and helpfulness
>  
> Thanks to all for enddning this Non IT related posting here.
>  
>  
> Regards,
>  
>  
> Simon F
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Raymond Foret Jr
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2020 8:14 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
>  
> Oh and I suppose you’re not going to be told you can’t say what you just 
> said?  Really?  Well, at least I have one honest friend out here backing me 
> up.  
> I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness
>  
> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> The constantly barefooted Ray
>  
> On Jun 30, 2020, at 10:33 AM, Robin  wrote:
>  
> MayBe
> That's Because
> You,Mr.Ray i.e., Mr.BarFootRay haven't  Gone Through the Experiences  that 
> They Have and/or  Are  a  Product of SuchExperiences
> i.e., YourPrivileged Life
> 
> Say IT Loud & Proud, so EveryOne knows "where" You Stand!
> as
> I  MuchPrefer to KnowThis
> 
> BlackLives Matter & ALL Lives can't Matter Until BlackLives Matter!!!
> 
> Just Sayin
> 
> Blessin's 2  You AnyWayz
> At 03:57 AM 6/30/2020, you wrote:
> 
> Just the truth.  I’m sick and tired of people on my side telling us we 
> can’t stand up for it but BLM can stand up for theirs’.  MO MORE!
> 
> 
> I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness
> 
> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> The constantly barefooted Ray
> 
> 
> On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:27 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries < 
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Raymond,
>   Isn't that quote of yours a bit over the top and offensive?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 6/29/2020 8:24 PM, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:
> 
> I very much doubt my current Mac will support this so I’ll need to get a 
> new one next year.  Maybe I should wait till I can get a maxed out Mac mini 
> with the new Apple chip set.
> I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness
> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
> Sincerely,
> The constantly barefooted Ray
> 
> On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:29 PM, Mike Arrigo  > wrote:
> 
> This is really exciting, hopefully we will have very good voiceover support 
> in Firefox very soon, and I would say that it is already off to a great start.
> https://blog.mozilla.org/accessibility/proper-voiceover-support-coming-soon-to-firefox-on-macos/
>  
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Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

['Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I think it was always the lack of a portable API for toolkit vendors to 
program. I’m sorry that Apple never did that; it’s clearly been an impediment 
not otherwise necessary to overcome on other platforms. It’s not always 
possible to subclass or overload, so you need to handle accessibility events 
directly and that means you have to talk to the Objective-C runtime and hence 
carry a lot of very specific code to implement accessibility properly. Not 
impossible but much more work so it doesn’t happen as often, or at all, 
compared to other more portable binary-compatible interfaces that’ll get 
implemented in portable programming languages.

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Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Folks,

I know for a fact this has already been brought to the attention of the list 
moderators

So before Mark has to put his foot down,
Could we be adults about this and bring the list back to those issues the list 
is here for,
That being Mac / apple computer related issues?!

Ray,
We all have our own views on different things, but we cann all keep them to 
ourselves and or out of our email signatures.

Could you please be mature about this and respect the lists views and remove 
your current signature / comment and we can go back to a friendly computing 
related email list where everyone respects everyone else for their computing 
abilities and helpfulness

Thanks to all for enddning this Non IT related posting here.


Regards,


Simon F

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Raymond Foret Jr
Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2020 8:14 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

Oh and I suppose you’re not going to be told you can’t say what you just said?  
Really?  Well, at least I have one honest friend out here backing me up.
I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness

Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

On Jun 30, 2020, at 10:33 AM, Robin 
mailto:robin-mel...@comcast.net>> wrote:

MayBe
That's Because
You,Mr.Ray i.e., Mr.BarFootRay haven't  Gone Through the Experiences  that They 
Have and/or  Are  a  Product of SuchExperiences
i.e., YourPrivileged Life

Say IT Loud & Proud, so EveryOne knows "where" You Stand!
as
I  MuchPrefer to KnowThis

BlackLives Matter & ALL Lives can't Matter Until BlackLives Matter!!!

Just Sayin

Blessin's 2  You AnyWayz
At 03:57 AM 6/30/2020, you wrote:

Just the truth.  I’m sick and tired of people on my side telling us we 
can’t stand up for it but BLM can stand up for theirs’.  MO MORE!


I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness

Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray


On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:27 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries < 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Raymond,
  Isn't that quote of yours a bit over the top and offensive?

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 6/29/2020 8:24 PM, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:

I very much doubt my current Mac will support this so I’ll need to get a new 
one next year.  Maybe I should wait till I can get a maxed out Mac mini with 
the new Apple chip set.
I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness
Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
Sincerely,
The constantly barefooted Ray

On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:29 PM, Mike Arrigo 
mailto:n0...@charter.net> < mailto:n0...@charter.net>> wrote:

This is really exciting, hopefully we will have very good voiceover support in 
Firefox very soon, and I would say that it is already off to a great start.
https://blog.mozilla.org/accessibility/proper-voiceover-support-coming-soon-to-firefox-on-macos/

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RE: Microsoft outlook on the Mac

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi Petrus,

I can’t honestly say,

I’ve only ever hit enter as a hang up from the windows world.

I assume it will ddo the same thing.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2020 2:26 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Microsoft outlook on the Mac

Hi Simon and Nancy,
I know with the native mail app one needs to press VO space bar once the 
desired person comes up while your arrowing down the list of contacts after 
typing the first couple of letters, pressing enter doesn’t work. Is this 
different with Outlook?



On 1/07/2020, at 12:58, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Nancy,

Sorry to hear about your sight situation,

Try typing the first characters of the person or address you are looking for in 
to the to field and then arrow down,

It should list any / all contacts you have made contact with and once you find 
the one you want, just hit enter.


-Original Message-
From: 'Nancy Badger' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2020 9:04 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Microsoft outlook on the Mac

hi everyone,
I have been partially sighted for the past several years. I have to switch to 
complete voice over now because of a surgery I cannot see at all. I am using 
voice over with Microsoft outlook on the Mac. When I type a name into the two 
column, I can’t figure out how to get to the options. In other words if I type 
an email to Doe and I want to click on John Doe, how do I do that using 
voiceover? Also if anyone has a list of keyboard commands for Microsoft outlook 
I would be very appreciative.
Thanks so much!
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Executive Director of Counseling
Old Dominion University
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

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Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Raymond Foret Jr]

Oh and I suppose you’re not going to be told you can’t say what you just said?  
Really?  Well, at least I have one honest friend out here backing me up.  
I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness

Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

> On Jun 30, 2020, at 10:33 AM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> MayBe
> That's Because
> You,Mr.Ray i.e., Mr.BarFootRay haven't  Gone Through the Experiences  that 
> They Have and/or  Are  a  Product of SuchExperiences
> i.e., YourPrivileged Life
> 
> Say IT Loud & Proud, so EveryOne knows "where" You Stand!
> as
> I  MuchPrefer to KnowThis
> 
> BlackLives Matter & ALL Lives can't Matter Until BlackLives Matter!!!
> 
> Just Sayin
> 
> Blessin's 2  You AnyWayz
> At 03:57 AM 6/30/2020, you wrote:
>> Just the truth.  I’m sick and tired of people on my side telling us we 
>> can’t stand up for it but BLM can stand up for theirs’.  MO MORE!
>> 
>> 
>> I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness
>> 
>> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
>> blind:
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> The constantly barefooted Ray
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:27 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries < 
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Raymond,
>>>   Isn't that quote of yours a bit over the top and offensive?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com  
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 6/29/2020 8:24 PM, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:
 I very much doubt my current Mac will support this so I’ll need to get a 
 new one next year.  Maybe I should wait till I can get a maxed out Mac 
 mini with the new Apple chip set.
 I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness
 Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
 blind:
 Sincerely,
 The constantly barefooted Ray
> On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:29 PM, Mike Arrigo   < mailto:n0...@charter.net 
> >> wrote:
> 
> This is really exciting, hopefully we will have very good voiceover 
> support in Firefox very soon, and I would say that it is already off to a 
> great start.
> https://blog.mozilla.org/accessibility/proper-voiceover-support-coming-soon-to-firefox-on-macos/
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Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Raymond Foret Jr]

Damn straight Chuck.  You tell ‘em.  Hey look, if leftists out here can defend 
their positions, damn it, so can I.  Look, I’m not trying to tell you what to 
believe out here.  That’s your business, but to tell me I’m out of line for 
standing up for my positions:  hell no!


I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness

Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray

> On Jun 30, 2020, at 10:02 AM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Amen Ray!
> 
> The whole thing including the "Communist Chinese Biological weapon attack" is 
> just the "Deep State attempting another election year scam!
> Guys look up   George Soros and how he's  funding antifa & MS 13 to 
> continually foment the Violence which has nothing to do with Black lives!
> May be you guys are not aware  of the fact 90% of the news you're being fed 
> is controlled by "6 corporations"
> Thats called a monopoly!
> Just another way to try and overthrow my USA Government.
> It aint gonna happen guys!
> Just watch!
> 
> Wake up guys!
> Sincerely!
> Just want to use my apple stuff in peace!)
> Blind lives matter also!
> Talk soon
> Chuck
> "God does not play dice with the universe"
> "Albert Einstein’
> 
> 
> On Jun 30, 2020, at 6:57 AM, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> Just the truth.  I’m sick and tired of people on my side telling us we can’t 
>> stand up for it but BLM can stand up for theirs’.  MO MORE!
>> 
>> 
>> I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness
>> 
>> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
>> blind:
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> The constantly barefooted Ray
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2020, at 11:27 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Raymond,
>>>   Isn't that quote of yours a bit over the top and offensive?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 6/29/2020 8:24 PM, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:
 I very much doubt my current Mac will support this so I’ll need to get a 
 new one next year.  Maybe I should wait till I can get a maxed out Mac 
 mini with the new Apple chip set.
 I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness
 Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
 blind:
 Sincerely,
 The constantly barefooted Ray
> On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:29 PM, Mike Arrigo    >> wrote:
> 
> This is really exciting, hopefully we will have very good voiceover 
> support in Firefox very soon, and I would say that it is already off to a 
> great start.
> https://blog.mozilla.org/accessibility/proper-voiceover-support-coming-soon-to-firefox-on-macos/
>  
> 
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