Re: Mac classic sounds

[Lorie McCloud]

I know how to turn youtube videos into mp3's but then you'd probably have to 
cut the sounds apart so they wouldn't be all in one file.

> On Aug 6, 2020, at 6:09 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> In playing around with Mac sounds today, I remembered how to create and save 
> my own, but I came across some classic Mac sounds on the web. There is a site 
> that offers a download, but I have no idea if it is safe or easy. Lol!
> 
> Does anyone know of a way to get the old sounds. The youTube video was cool 
> listening to them. ;)
> 
> Traci
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Mac classic sounds

[Traci Duncan]

Hi all,

In playing around with Mac sounds today, I remembered how to create and save my 
own, but I came across some classic Mac sounds on the web. There is a site that 
offers a download, but I have no idea if it is safe or easy. Lol!

Does anyone know of a way to get the old sounds. The youTube video was cool 
listening to them. ;)

Traci

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Re: Mantis case

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

thanks, Scott, this is exactly what I needed. I've decided to go ahead and 
place an order, and it sounds like I should also order the Executive Products 
case.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Aug 6, 2020, at 3:30 PM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> Hi Joe and Donna.
> I have not received my case either. My understanding from talking to
> Greg Stilson about this is that the case which ships with the Mantis
> does not include a cover, but something that you can set the display
> in while using it. It's not a carrying case. If you want to carry it
> around, you would likely want the EP case. Sorry I do not have an
> exact answer, I have not received mine yet.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>> I have seen the leather case sold by us from executive products, that is a
>> real sweet looking notetaker type of case. I have not gotten to see the
>> Green nylon case that comes with the product. Scott have you received yours
>> yet? We were a little late getting them due to the situation going on in the
>> world! So when I was doing quality control on the devices I did not get a
>> chance to see them unfortunately. My understanding is that it's more of a
>> cover than a full on case but I could be wrong.
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:46 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi oe and Scott,
>>> 
>>> Is the case that comes with the Mantis a carrying case or just a cover?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Mantis Q40?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Scott,

Agree 100%. Not sure where he got the info about the U2, but yeah, it could 
connect to other devices, though the keyboard didn't work as well as one would 
wish.

Like I said, he's obviously new to AT, but I figured I'd share the review for 
anyone who wants to read it. I'm sure yours will be much more comprehensive,. :)
Cheers,
Donna


> On Aug 6, 2020, at 3:38 PM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna.
> Thanks for posting the review. I guess that gives the reader an
> overview, but it fails to answer a lot of questions a more advanced
> braille user would ask. Also, the Braille Sense u2 QWERTY could
> connect to an iPhone or other external device, so his assertion that
> it's the first QWERTY braille device to connect to external ones is
> wrong. He has a good point about beginner users of braille using it.
> There's a much less steep learning curve.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>> At this time we are not planning on it do to licensing costs. However it is
>> in the bucket for future releases.
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> 
>>> Do you know if the MLS service will be added to the Mantis Q 40 library?
>>> Thanks.
>>> Best,
>>> Les
>>> 
>>> Get Outlook for iOS 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on
>>> behalf of Scott Davert 
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:38:22 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
>>> 
>>> Hi all.
>>> I'm writing this with the Mantis, but I no longer have access to a
>>> Mac, so I'm not able to report on that.
>>> With iOS 13.6, it works quite well. The thing to remember is that you
>>> are using a QWERTY keyboard with this set up, so many of the things
>>> you may have learned about Perkins-style keyboards do not apply. What
>>> does apply, though, are all of the good and bad things about running a
>>> Bluetooth keyboard on iOS. You need to be familiar with how QuickNav
>>> works, when to use it, and of course the VO modifier keys. I'm writing
>>> from Windows currently, as I had to sell my Mac to help pay for my new
>>> hearing aids.
>>> One of the really neat things about the Mantis and Chameleon is the
>>> built in Wifi which allows you to download Bookshare and NFB Newsline
>>> content. Not only can you do that, but if you download daisy content
>>> from Bookshare, you can navigate by heading level. NFB Newsline only
>>> offers Daisy, but you can do the same with that service.
>>> 
>>> Just some info,
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
 Hi Traci,
 
 The Mantis supports
 MacOS 15.5.5+ Catalina
 iOS 13.5.1+
 
 Joe
> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Will the Mantis work with older Apple devices? My Mac is running High
> Sierra and I have iDevices running iOs 12.
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 6:23 AM, joseph hodge > >>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Check your spam folder some times the message goes there but you have
>> to
>> respond t a message saying you do want to join. If you have problems
>> email me at jho...@aph.org > > with your email and I
>> will add you.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>> >> >> >> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have
>>> received
>>> no confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list
>>> email. So I don’t know if this list is actually working.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Aug 6, 2020, at 7:51 AM, joseph hodge >>> >>
 wrote:
 
 Hi Kerryann,
 
 APH does have a list you can join to learn about the Chameleon or
 Mantis. Feel free to ask questions relating to the products. If you
 would like to join send an email to
 mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org
 >
 
 
> On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Kerryann Ifill
>   >> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I’m very new to the group tough I’ve had a Mac for some years now.
> I’m about to purchase the Chameleon as I prefer compact sized
> displays
> and my old Varioultra20 is indicating that it wants to go to the
> big
> braille display bin in the sky!
> 
> I’m looking forward to learning mo

Re: Mantis Q40?

[Scott Davert]

I would think both the Mantis and the Chameleon would eventually
support NLS, given that Humanware is one of the companies contracted
out to provide the braille displays that will be distributed by NLS.

JMO,
Scott

On 8/6/20, Scott Davert  wrote:
> Hi Donna.
> Thanks for posting the review. I guess that gives the reader an
> overview, but it fails to answer a lot of questions a more advanced
> braille user would ask. Also, the Braille Sense u2 QWERTY could
> connect to an iPhone or other external device, so his assertion that
> it's the first QWERTY braille device to connect to external ones is
> wrong. He has a good point about beginner users of braille using it.
> There's a much less steep learning curve.
>
> Scott
>
> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>> At this time we are not planning on it do to licensing costs. However it
>> is
>> in the bucket for future releases.
>>
>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Scott,
>>>
>>> Do you know if the MLS service will be added to the Mantis Q 40 library?
>>> Thanks.
>>> Best,
>>> Les
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for iOS 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> on
>>> behalf of Scott Davert 
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:38:22 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
>>>
>>> Hi all.
>>> I'm writing this with the Mantis, but I no longer have access to a
>>> Mac, so I'm not able to report on that.
>>> With iOS 13.6, it works quite well. The thing to remember is that you
>>> are using a QWERTY keyboard with this set up, so many of the things
>>> you may have learned about Perkins-style keyboards do not apply. What
>>> does apply, though, are all of the good and bad things about running a
>>> Bluetooth keyboard on iOS. You need to be familiar with how QuickNav
>>> works, when to use it, and of course the VO modifier keys. I'm writing
>>> from Windows currently, as I had to sell my Mac to help pay for my new
>>> hearing aids.
>>> One of the really neat things about the Mantis and Chameleon is the
>>> built in Wifi which allows you to download Bookshare and NFB Newsline
>>> content. Not only can you do that, but if you download daisy content
>>> from Bookshare, you can navigate by heading level. NFB Newsline only
>>> offers Daisy, but you can do the same with that service.
>>>
>>> Just some info,
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>> > Hi Traci,
>>> >
>>> > The Mantis supports
>>> > MacOS 15.5.5+ Catalina
>>> > iOS 13.5.1+
>>> >
>>> > Joe
>>> >> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Will the Mantis work with older Apple devices? My Mac is running High
>>> >> Sierra and I have iDevices running iOs 12.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks,
>>> >> Traci
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 6:23 AM, joseph hodge >> >>> >>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Check your spam folder some times the message goes there but you
>>> >>> have
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> respond t a message saying you do want to join. If you have problems
>>> >>> email me at jho...@aph.org >> >>> > with your email and I
>>> >>> will add you.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Joe
>>> >>>
>>>  On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>>  >>  >>  >> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have
>>>  received
>>>  no confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list
>>>  email. So I don’t know if this list is actually working.
>>>  Best,
>>>  Donna
>>> 
>>>  Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> > On Aug 6, 2020, at 7:51 AM, joseph hodge >> > >>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Kerryann,
>>> >
>>> > APH does have a list you can join to learn about the Chameleon or
>>> > Mantis. Feel free to ask questions relating to the products. If
>>> > you
>>> > would like to join send an email to
>>> > mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org
>>> > >> > >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Kerryann Ifill
>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hello all,
>>> >>
>>> >> I’m very new to the group tough I’ve had a Mac for some years
>>> >> now.
>>> >> I’m about to purchase the Chameleon as I prefer compact sized
>>> >> displays
>>> >> and my old Varioultra20 is indicating that it wants to go to the
>>> >> big
>>> >> braille display bin in the sky!
>>> >>
>>> >> I’m looking forward to learning more about t the product and will
>>> >> hopefully love this unit as much a

Problem with Live FaceBook Video and comments

['Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries]

Dear List,
I am having problems writing comments while watching a live video on FaceBook.
I’m using Safari on the Mac.
As the video is playing, If I use quick-Nav or use normal VO keys to move to 
the comment field, it seems to mute the video.
If I move back up near the volume button, the sound automatically starts again. 
But sometimes I have to press the volume button to get sound back.
This is very annoying. 
I even turned off cursor tracking with no help.
I also turned off VoiceOver while the video was playing, and when I turned 
VoiceOver back on, the video muted again.
Am I the only one with this issue?
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Rob

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Re: Mantis Q40?

[Scott Davert]

Hi Donna.
Thanks for posting the review. I guess that gives the reader an
overview, but it fails to answer a lot of questions a more advanced
braille user would ask. Also, the Braille Sense u2 QWERTY could
connect to an iPhone or other external device, so his assertion that
it's the first QWERTY braille device to connect to external ones is
wrong. He has a good point about beginner users of braille using it.
There's a much less steep learning curve.

Scott

On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
> At this time we are not planning on it do to licensing costs. However it is
> in the bucket for future releases.
>
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Scott,
>>
>> Do you know if the MLS service will be added to the Mantis Q 40 library?
>> Thanks.
>> Best,
>> Les
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on
>> behalf of Scott Davert 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:38:22 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
>>
>> Hi all.
>> I'm writing this with the Mantis, but I no longer have access to a
>> Mac, so I'm not able to report on that.
>> With iOS 13.6, it works quite well. The thing to remember is that you
>> are using a QWERTY keyboard with this set up, so many of the things
>> you may have learned about Perkins-style keyboards do not apply. What
>> does apply, though, are all of the good and bad things about running a
>> Bluetooth keyboard on iOS. You need to be familiar with how QuickNav
>> works, when to use it, and of course the VO modifier keys. I'm writing
>> from Windows currently, as I had to sell my Mac to help pay for my new
>> hearing aids.
>> One of the really neat things about the Mantis and Chameleon is the
>> built in Wifi which allows you to download Bookshare and NFB Newsline
>> content. Not only can you do that, but if you download daisy content
>> from Bookshare, you can navigate by heading level. NFB Newsline only
>> offers Daisy, but you can do the same with that service.
>>
>> Just some info,
>> Scott
>>
>> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>> > Hi Traci,
>> >
>> > The Mantis supports
>> > MacOS 15.5.5+ Catalina
>> > iOS 13.5.1+
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Will the Mantis work with older Apple devices? My Mac is running High
>> >> Sierra and I have iDevices running iOs 12.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Traci
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 6:23 AM, joseph hodge > >>> >>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Check your spam folder some times the message goes there but you have
>> >>> to
>> >>> respond t a message saying you do want to join. If you have problems
>> >>> email me at jho...@aph.org > >>> > with your email and I
>> >>> will add you.
>> >>>
>> >>> Joe
>> >>>
>>  On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>  >  >  >> wrote:
>> 
>>  Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have
>>  received
>>  no confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list
>>  email. So I don’t know if this list is actually working.
>>  Best,
>>  Donna
>> 
>>  Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> > On Aug 6, 2020, at 7:51 AM, joseph hodge > > >>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Kerryann,
>> >
>> > APH does have a list you can join to learn about the Chameleon or
>> > Mantis. Feel free to ask questions relating to the products. If you
>> > would like to join send an email to
>> > mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org
>> > > > >
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Kerryann Ifill
>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hello all,
>> >>
>> >> I’m very new to the group tough I’ve had a Mac for some years now.
>> >> I’m about to purchase the Chameleon as I prefer compact sized
>> >> displays
>> >> and my old Varioultra20 is indicating that it wants to go to the
>> >> big
>> >> braille display bin in the sky!
>> >>
>> >> I’m looking forward to learning more about t the product and will
>> >> hopefully love this unit as much as my other 2 displays.
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >> Kerry
>> >>
>> >>> On 5 Aug 2020, at 3:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>> >>> > >>> > >>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi Tracy,
>> >>>
>> >>> I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille
>> >>> display
>> >>> with 

Re: Mantis case

[Scott Davert]

Hi Joe and Donna.
I have not received my case either. My understanding from talking to
Greg Stilson about this is that the case which ships with the Mantis
does not include a cover, but something that you can set the display
in while using it. It's not a carrying case. If you want to carry it
around, you would likely want the EP case. Sorry I do not have an
exact answer, I have not received mine yet.

Scott

On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
> I have seen the leather case sold by us from executive products, that is a
> real sweet looking notetaker type of case. I have not gotten to see the
> Green nylon case that comes with the product. Scott have you received yours
> yet? We were a little late getting them due to the situation going on in the
> world! So when I was doing quality control on the devices I did not get a
> chance to see them unfortunately. My understanding is that it's more of a
> cover than a full on case but I could be wrong.
>
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:46 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi oe and Scott,
>>
>> Is the case that comes with the Mantis a carrying case or just a cover?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>>
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Re: Mantis case

[joseph hodge]

I have seen the leather case sold by us from executive products, that is a real 
sweet looking notetaker type of case. I have not gotten to see the Green nylon 
case that comes with the product. Scott have you received yours yet? We were a 
little late getting them due to the situation going on in the world! So when I 
was doing quality control on the devices I did not get a chance to see them 
unfortunately. My understanding is that it's more of a cover than a full on 
case but I could be wrong.

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> Hi oe and Scott,
> 
> Is the case that comes with the Mantis a carrying case or just a cover?
> TIA,
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Mantis case

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi oe and Scott,

Is the case that comes with the Mantis a carrying case or just a cover?
TIA,
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Re: sounds in mail

[joseph hodge]

This is awesome thanks Traci I am going to do this too.

> On Aug 6, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> ;) In case others are wondering, the answer is yes. I created a new rule with 
> to: contains MacVisionaries, play sound. Works like a treat. Off to do the 
> same for ViPhone.
> 
> Some days it’s great to be a tech dork. Lol!
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> Can you guys remind me, is it possible to have custom sounds for mail 
>> folders? Say I want separate sounds for incoming mail from Mac Visionaries 
>> and the viPhone lists.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Traci
>> 
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Re: sounds in mail

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

That's really cool! I've never tried that. Thanks for sharing.
Donna


> On Aug 6, 2020, at 12:42 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> ;) In case others are wondering, the answer is yes. I created a new rule with 
> to: contains MacVisionaries, play sound. Works like a treat. Off to do the 
> same for ViPhone.
> 
> Some days it’s great to be a tech dork. Lol!
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> Can you guys remind me, is it possible to have custom sounds for mail 
>> folders? Say I want separate sounds for incoming mail from Mac Visionaries 
>> and the viPhone lists.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Traci
>> 
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Re: sounds in mail

[Traci Duncan]

;) In case others are wondering, the answer is yes. I created a new rule with 
to: contains MacVisionaries, play sound. Works like a treat. Off to do the same 
for ViPhone.

Some days it’s great to be a tech dork. Lol!
Traci


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> folders? Say I want separate sounds for incoming mail from Mac Visionaries 
> and the viPhone lists.
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> Thanks,
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Re: Mantis Q40?

[joseph hodge]

At this time we are not planning on it do to licensing costs. However it is in 
the bucket for future releases.

> On Aug 6, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> Do you know if the MLS service will be added to the Mantis Q 40 library? 
> Thanks.
> Best,
> Les
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
> behalf of Scott Davert 
> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:38:22 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
>  
> Hi all.
> I'm writing this with the Mantis, but I no longer have access to a
> Mac, so I'm not able to report on that.
> With iOS 13.6, it works quite well. The thing to remember is that you
> are using a QWERTY keyboard with this set up, so many of the things
> you may have learned about Perkins-style keyboards do not apply. What
> does apply, though, are all of the good and bad things about running a
> Bluetooth keyboard on iOS. You need to be familiar with how QuickNav
> works, when to use it, and of course the VO modifier keys. I'm writing
> from Windows currently, as I had to sell my Mac to help pay for my new
> hearing aids.
> One of the really neat things about the Mantis and Chameleon is the
> built in Wifi which allows you to download Bookshare and NFB Newsline
> content. Not only can you do that, but if you download daisy content
> from Bookshare, you can navigate by heading level. NFB Newsline only
> offers Daisy, but you can do the same with that service.
> 
> Just some info,
> Scott
> 
> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
> > Hi Traci,
> >
> > The Mantis supports
> > MacOS 15.5.5+ Catalina
> > iOS 13.5.1+
> >
> > Joe
> >> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> >>
> >> Will the Mantis work with older Apple devices? My Mac is running High
> >> Sierra and I have iDevices running iOs 12.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Traci
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 6:23 AM, joseph hodge  >>> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Check your spam folder some times the message goes there but you have to
> >>> respond t a message saying you do want to join. If you have problems
> >>> email me at jho...@aph.org  >>> > with your email and I
> >>> will add you.
> >>>
> >>> Joe
> >>>
>  On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>      >> wrote:
> 
>  Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have received
>  no confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list
>  email. So I don’t know if this list is actually working.
>  Best,
>  Donna
> 
>  Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Aug 6, 2020, at 7:51 AM, joseph hodge  > >> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Kerryann,
> >
> > APH does have a list you can join to learn about the Chameleon or
> > Mantis. Feel free to ask questions relating to the products. If you
> > would like to join send an email to
> > mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org
> >  > >
> >
> >
> >> On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Kerryann Ifill  >> >> 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> I’m very new to the group tough I’ve had a Mac for some years now.
> >> I’m about to purchase the Chameleon as I prefer compact sized displays
> >> and my old Varioultra20 is indicating that it wants to go to the big
> >> braille display bin in the sky!
> >>
> >> I’m looking forward to learning more about t the product and will
> >> hopefully love this unit as much as my other 2 displays.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Kerry
> >>
> >>> On 5 Aug 2020, at 3:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
> >>>  >>>  >>> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Tracy,
> >>>
> >>> I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille display
> >>> with a qwerty keyboard to use with my phone or iPad
> >>>
> >>> Not thrilled about the price, but I don't think you can get 40 cells
> >>> for less. The Focus is actually $500 more.
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Donna
> >>>
>  On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Traci Duncan   >> wrote:
> 
>  This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome. *Laughs
> 
>  $2500 though, wow!
> 
>  I love the idea of a qwerty keyboard with braille reading.
> 
>  Traci
> 
> 
> > On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Good

Re: Mantis Q40?

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Scott,

Do you know if the MLS service will be added to the Mantis Q 40 library? Thanks.
Best,
Les

Get Outlook for iOS

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Scott Davert 
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:38:22 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?

Hi all.
I'm writing this with the Mantis, but I no longer have access to a
Mac, so I'm not able to report on that.
With iOS 13.6, it works quite well. The thing to remember is that you
are using a QWERTY keyboard with this set up, so many of the things
you may have learned about Perkins-style keyboards do not apply. What
does apply, though, are all of the good and bad things about running a
Bluetooth keyboard on iOS. You need to be familiar with how QuickNav
works, when to use it, and of course the VO modifier keys. I'm writing
from Windows currently, as I had to sell my Mac to help pay for my new
hearing aids.
One of the really neat things about the Mantis and Chameleon is the
built in Wifi which allows you to download Bookshare and NFB Newsline
content. Not only can you do that, but if you download daisy content
from Bookshare, you can navigate by heading level. NFB Newsline only
offers Daisy, but you can do the same with that service.

Just some info,
Scott

On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
> Hi Traci,
>
> The Mantis supports
> MacOS 15.5.5+ Catalina
> iOS 13.5.1+
>
> Joe
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>
>> Will the Mantis work with older Apple devices? My Mac is running High
>> Sierra and I have iDevices running iOs 12.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Traci
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 6:23 AM, joseph hodge >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Check your spam folder some times the message goes there but you have to
>>> respond t a message saying you do want to join. If you have problems
>>> email me at jho...@aph.org  with your email and I
>>> will add you.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
 On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
 >>> > wrote:

 Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have received
 no confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list
 email. So I don’t know if this list is actually working.
 Best,
 Donna

 Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 6, 2020, at 7:51 AM, joseph hodge  > wrote:
>
> Hi Kerryann,
>
> APH does have a list you can join to learn about the Chameleon or
> Mantis. Feel free to ask questions relating to the products. If you
> would like to join send an email to
> mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org
> 
>
>
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Kerryann Ifill > > wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I’m very new to the group tough I’ve had a Mac for some years now.
>> I’m about to purchase the Chameleon as I prefer compact sized displays
>> and my old Varioultra20 is indicating that it wants to go to the big
>> braille display bin in the sky!
>>
>> I’m looking forward to learning more about t the product and will
>> hopefully love this unit as much as my other 2 displays.
>>
>> Regards
>> Kerry
>>
>>> On 5 Aug 2020, at 3:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>> >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Tracy,
>>>
>>> I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille display
>>> with a qwerty keyboard to use with my phone or iPad
>>>
>>> Not thrilled about the price, but I don't think you can get 40 cells
>>> for less. The Focus is actually $500 more.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>
 On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Traci Duncan >>> > wrote:

 This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome. *Laughs

 $2500 though, wow!

 I love the idea of a qwerty keyboard with braille reading.

 Traci


> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>  > wrote:
>
> Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new.
> It's sold by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware
> as well.
> TIA,
> Donna
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sounds in mail

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Can you guys remind me, is it possible to have custom sounds for mail folders? 
Say I want separate sounds for incoming mail from Mac Visionaries and the 
viPhone lists.

Thanks,
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Latest Nearby Explorer Online

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello, 
To answer a couple of questions …

Plain Nearby Explorer is a premium paid App  which includes special maps for 
the USA andCanada and has some extra function not in Nearby Explorer Online. 
Nearby Explorer Online is a free App which by default uses Apple Maps for its 
map data. I thus presume that it will work where ever Apple maps are available. 
It certainly works in the UK.  I do not know for sure but I presume that plain 
Nearby Explorer will work outside North America using Apple Maps for its map 
data,  but its extra functions may require the special North America map format 
and may thus not work elsewhere. Does anyone know for sure?
One example of the extra function in plain Nearby Explorer is that holding the 
iPhone vertically in front of you will list all the intersections in that 
direction in addition to the compass bearing as in Nearby Explorer Online.
Best … Paul Hopewell

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Re: Mantis Q40?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Scott,

thanks. It's been a while since I've seen a Braillenote, but that does suggest 
that the braille is a little softer than I typically like. I've not seen an 
Apex, so I don't know what those keys looked like.

In case you are anyone else is curious, here is the review that I read. It 
seems like this reviewer is fairly new to adaptive tech, though, so I'm not 
sure how similar their experience will be for those of us who've been at this a 
while.
https://doubletap.online/the-mantis-q40-is-here 
 
Cheers,
Donna


> On Aug 6, 2020, at 11:01 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna.
> If you have felt the braille of the BrailleNote Touch, or even the
> Apex, Iwould equate the feel of the dots to one of those devices. I
> was not aware that anyone else had reviewed the Mantis yet. My review
> should be in the August issue of Access World.
> As for the keys, I would equate those to the BrailleNote Apex QT. The
> size is also similar. The keys aren't noisy, though, it sounds about
> as loud to me as any laptop would. Then again, my ears are quite
> broken, so I may not be the best judge of that.
> 
> HTH,
> Scott
> 
> On 8/6/20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>  wrote:
>> Thanks, Scott. The wifi feature sounds very cool. Do you like the braille?
>> One article I read described it as mushy. Also, how is the keyboard. I
>> remember the Braillenote having HUGE keys. That never made sense to me, and
>> I didn't care for it.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Scott Davert 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all.
>>> I'm writing this with the Mantis, but I no longer have access to a
>>> Mac, so I'm not able to report on that.
>>> With iOS 13.6, it works quite well. The thing to remember is that you
>>> are using a QWERTY keyboard with this set up, so many of the things
>>> you may have learned about Perkins-style keyboards do not apply. What
>>> does apply, though, are all of the good and bad things about running a
>>> Bluetooth keyboard on iOS. You need to be familiar with how QuickNav
>>> works, when to use it, and of course the VO modifier keys. I'm writing
>>> from Windows currently, as I had to sell my Mac to help pay for my new
>>> hearing aids.
>>> One of the really neat things about the Mantis and Chameleon is the
>>> built in Wifi which allows you to download Bookshare and NFB Newsline
>>> content. Not only can you do that, but if you download daisy content
>>> from Bookshare, you can navigate by heading level. NFB Newsline only
>>> offers Daisy, but you can do the same with that service.
>>> 
>>> Just some info,
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
 Hi Traci,
 
 The Mantis supports
 MacOS 15.5.5+ Catalina
 iOS 13.5.1+
 
 Joe
> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Will the Mantis work with older Apple devices? My Mac is running High
> Sierra and I have iDevices running iOs 12.
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 6:23 AM, joseph hodge > > wrote:
>> 
>> Check your spam folder some times the message goes there but you have
>> to
>> respond t a message saying you do want to join. If you have problems
>> email me at jho...@aph.org  with your email and
>> I
>> will add you.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have
>>> received
>>> no confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list
>>> email. So I don’t know if this list is actually working.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Aug 6, 2020, at 7:51 AM, joseph hodge >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Kerryann,
 
 APH does have a list you can join to learn about the Chameleon or
 Mantis. Feel free to ask questions relating to the products. If you
 would like to join send an email to
 mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org
 
 
 
> On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Kerryann Ifill
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I’m very new to the group tough I’ve had a Mac for some years now.
> I’m about to purchase the Chameleon as I prefer compact sized
> displays
> and my old Varioultra20 is indicating that it wants to go to the
> big
> braille display bin in the sky!
> 
> I’m looking forward to learning more about t the product and will
> hopefully love this unit as much as my other 2 displays.
> 
> Regards
> Kerry
>

Re: Mantis Q40?

[Scott Davert]

Hi Donna.
If you have felt the braille of the BrailleNote Touch, or even the
Apex, Iwould equate the feel of the dots to one of those devices. I
was not aware that anyone else had reviewed the Mantis yet. My review
should be in the August issue of Access World.
As for the keys, I would equate those to the BrailleNote Apex QT. The
size is also similar. The keys aren't noisy, though, it sounds about
as loud to me as any laptop would. Then again, my ears are quite
broken, so I may not be the best judge of that.

HTH,
Scott

On 8/6/20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:
> Thanks, Scott. The wifi feature sounds very cool. Do you like the braille?
> One article I read described it as mushy. Also, how is the keyboard. I
> remember the Braillenote having HUGE keys. That never made sense to me, and
> I didn't care for it.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>
>
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Scott Davert 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all.
>> I'm writing this with the Mantis, but I no longer have access to a
>> Mac, so I'm not able to report on that.
>> With iOS 13.6, it works quite well. The thing to remember is that you
>> are using a QWERTY keyboard with this set up, so many of the things
>> you may have learned about Perkins-style keyboards do not apply. What
>> does apply, though, are all of the good and bad things about running a
>> Bluetooth keyboard on iOS. You need to be familiar with how QuickNav
>> works, when to use it, and of course the VO modifier keys. I'm writing
>> from Windows currently, as I had to sell my Mac to help pay for my new
>> hearing aids.
>> One of the really neat things about the Mantis and Chameleon is the
>> built in Wifi which allows you to download Bookshare and NFB Newsline
>> content. Not only can you do that, but if you download daisy content
>> from Bookshare, you can navigate by heading level. NFB Newsline only
>> offers Daisy, but you can do the same with that service.
>>
>> Just some info,
>> Scott
>>
>> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>> Hi Traci,
>>>
>>> The Mantis supports
>>> MacOS 15.5.5+ Catalina
>>> iOS 13.5.1+
>>>
>>> Joe
 On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:

 Will the Mantis work with older Apple devices? My Mac is running High
 Sierra and I have iDevices running iOs 12.

 Thanks,
 Traci


> On Aug 6, 2020, at 6:23 AM, joseph hodge  > wrote:
>
> Check your spam folder some times the message goes there but you have
> to
> respond t a message saying you do want to join. If you have problems
> email me at jho...@aph.org  with your email and
> I
> will add you.
>
> Joe
>
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have
>> received
>> no confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list
>> email. So I don’t know if this list is actually working.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 7:51 AM, joseph hodge >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Kerryann,
>>>
>>> APH does have a list you can join to learn about the Chameleon or
>>> Mantis. Feel free to ask questions relating to the products. If you
>>> would like to join send an email to
>>> mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org
>>> 
>>>
>>>
 On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Kerryann Ifill
 >>> > wrote:

 Hello all,

 I’m very new to the group tough I’ve had a Mac for some years now.
 I’m about to purchase the Chameleon as I prefer compact sized
 displays
 and my old Varioultra20 is indicating that it wants to go to the
 big
 braille display bin in the sky!

 I’m looking forward to learning more about t the product and will
 hopefully love this unit as much as my other 2 displays.

 Regards
 Kerry

> On 5 Aug 2020, at 3:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>  > wrote:
>
> Hi Tracy,
>
> I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille display
> with a qwerty keyboard to use with my phone or iPad
>
> Not thrilled about the price, but I don't think you can get 40
> cells
> for less. The Focus is actually $500 more.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>
>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Traci Duncan > > wrote:
>>
>> This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome.
>> *Laughs
>>
>> $2500 though, wow!
>>
>> I love the 

Re: Focus 40 Braille display

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Braille works but have some flaws in safari which never got fixed in catalina.
I hope they fix them in Big Sur.
/A

> 5 aug. 2020 kl. 20:53 skrev 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi Donna.
> 
> Focus works just fine on the Scratch Pad now.  There was a recent update.
> 
> I still can’t use Braille on the Mac and have tried.  Works great on the I 
> Phone.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 5 Aug 2020, at 19:44, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> My VU is having what I suspect is a hardware issue, so in preparation for 
>> the day when it gives up the ghost, I'm again researching braille displays.
>> 
>> Though I'm not enthusiastic about it, it seems like the best second 
>> choice--given that I lack the $$ for an ActiveBraille--is going to be the 
>> Focus 40. Two questions:
>> 1. Does it pair easily and work well with Mac and IOS?
>> 2. I remember someone mentioning a crazy limitation of the scratch pad, 
>> something ridiculous like not being able to save files. What are the 
>> limitations of Scratchpad that people have found? I don't do a lot of 
>> writing on the display these days, mostly I write on my phone or my iPad but 
>> I would like the Word processor to be functional for those times when I do 
>> need to jot something down.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: Mantis Q40?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Scott. The wifi feature sounds very cool. Do you like the braille? One 
article I read described it as mushy. Also, how is the keyboard. I remember the 
Braillenote having HUGE keys. That never made sense to me, and I didn't care 
for it.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> I'm writing this with the Mantis, but I no longer have access to a
> Mac, so I'm not able to report on that.
> With iOS 13.6, it works quite well. The thing to remember is that you
> are using a QWERTY keyboard with this set up, so many of the things
> you may have learned about Perkins-style keyboards do not apply. What
> does apply, though, are all of the good and bad things about running a
> Bluetooth keyboard on iOS. You need to be familiar with how QuickNav
> works, when to use it, and of course the VO modifier keys. I'm writing
> from Windows currently, as I had to sell my Mac to help pay for my new
> hearing aids.
> One of the really neat things about the Mantis and Chameleon is the
> built in Wifi which allows you to download Bookshare and NFB Newsline
> content. Not only can you do that, but if you download daisy content
> from Bookshare, you can navigate by heading level. NFB Newsline only
> offers Daisy, but you can do the same with that service.
> 
> Just some info,
> Scott
> 
> On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>> Hi Traci,
>> 
>> The Mantis supports
>> MacOS 15.5.5+ Catalina
>> iOS 13.5.1+
>> 
>> Joe
>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Will the Mantis work with older Apple devices? My Mac is running High
>>> Sierra and I have iDevices running iOs 12.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Traci
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 6, 2020, at 6:23 AM, joseph hodge >>> > wrote:
 
 Check your spam folder some times the message goes there but you have to
 respond t a message saying you do want to join. If you have problems
 email me at jho...@aph.org  with your email and I
 will add you.
 
 Joe
 
> On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>  > wrote:
> 
> Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have received
> no confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list
> email. So I don’t know if this list is actually working.
> Best,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 7:51 AM, joseph hodge > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kerryann,
>> 
>> APH does have a list you can join to learn about the Chameleon or
>> Mantis. Feel free to ask questions relating to the products. If you
>> would like to join send an email to
>> mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Kerryann Ifill >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> I’m very new to the group tough I’ve had a Mac for some years now.
>>> I’m about to purchase the Chameleon as I prefer compact sized displays
>>> and my old Varioultra20 is indicating that it wants to go to the big
>>> braille display bin in the sky!
>>> 
>>> I’m looking forward to learning more about t the product and will
>>> hopefully love this unit as much as my other 2 displays.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Kerry
>>> 
 On 5 Aug 2020, at 3:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
 >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Tracy,
 
 I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille display
 with a qwerty keyboard to use with my phone or iPad
 
 Not thrilled about the price, but I don't think you can get 40 cells
 for less. The Focus is actually $500 more.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Traci Duncan  > wrote:
> 
> This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome. *Laughs
> 
> $2500 though, wow!
> 
> I love the idea of a qwerty keyboard with braille reading.
> 
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new.
>> It's sold by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware
>> as well.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: Changing Time In A Music Track

[Jonathan Cohn]

I haven’t played with this in Catalina yet. In older versions, one could 
interact with the slider, and then using up/down (perhaps with the VO modifier) 
would adjust the amount of movement and left / right would adjust the value. 
THe other thing to try would be the trackpad commander after you interact with 
the slider, only the slider should be visible to the trackpad, so tapping the 
middle of the trackpad should get you to the approximate middle of the track.
Please post back success or failure with these ideas.
 

> On Aug 4, 2020, at 10:18 PM, Joy Cyr  wrote:
> 
> Good evening,
> If you are playing a long track in the music app (on a Mac running Catalina), 
> what is the easiest way to move forward and back inside the track?  I used 
> the slider but if you want to move more than one or two percent that is 
> extremely time consuming and really doesn't seem very efficient.  Please tell 
> me there is another/better way?  When one is playing a two hour track and 
> wants to start at the beginning of hour two it gets pretty important!
> 
> Thanks for any and all help and advice.
> Joy
> 
> 
> "Watch with glittering eyes the whole world around you, because the greatest 
> secrets are always hidden in the  most unlikely  places. Those who don’t 
> believe in magic will never find it.." -- Roald Dahl
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Re: Mantis Q40?

[Scott Davert]

Hi all.
I'm writing this with the Mantis, but I no longer have access to a
Mac, so I'm not able to report on that.
With iOS 13.6, it works quite well. The thing to remember is that you
are using a QWERTY keyboard with this set up, so many of the things
you may have learned about Perkins-style keyboards do not apply. What
does apply, though, are all of the good and bad things about running a
Bluetooth keyboard on iOS. You need to be familiar with how QuickNav
works, when to use it, and of course the VO modifier keys. I'm writing
from Windows currently, as I had to sell my Mac to help pay for my new
hearing aids.
One of the really neat things about the Mantis and Chameleon is the
built in Wifi which allows you to download Bookshare and NFB Newsline
content. Not only can you do that, but if you download daisy content
from Bookshare, you can navigate by heading level. NFB Newsline only
offers Daisy, but you can do the same with that service.

Just some info,
Scott

On 8/6/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
> Hi Traci,
>
> The Mantis supports
> MacOS 15.5.5+ Catalina
> iOS 13.5.1+
>
> Joe
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>
>> Will the Mantis work with older Apple devices? My Mac is running High
>> Sierra and I have iDevices running iOs 12.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Traci
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 6:23 AM, joseph hodge >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Check your spam folder some times the message goes there but you have to
>>> respond t a message saying you do want to join. If you have problems
>>> email me at jho...@aph.org  with your email and I
>>> will add you.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
 On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
 >>> > wrote:

 Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have received
 no confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list
 email. So I don’t know if this list is actually working.
 Best,
 Donna

 Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 6, 2020, at 7:51 AM, joseph hodge  > wrote:
>
> Hi Kerryann,
>
> APH does have a list you can join to learn about the Chameleon or
> Mantis. Feel free to ask questions relating to the products. If you
> would like to join send an email to
> mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org
> 
>
>
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Kerryann Ifill > > wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I’m very new to the group tough I’ve had a Mac for some years now.
>> I’m about to purchase the Chameleon as I prefer compact sized displays
>> and my old Varioultra20 is indicating that it wants to go to the big
>> braille display bin in the sky!
>>
>> I’m looking forward to learning more about t the product and will
>> hopefully love this unit as much as my other 2 displays.
>>
>> Regards
>> Kerry
>>
>>> On 5 Aug 2020, at 3:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>> >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Tracy,
>>>
>>> I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille display
>>> with a qwerty keyboard to use with my phone or iPad
>>>
>>> Not thrilled about the price, but I don't think you can get 40 cells
>>> for less. The Focus is actually $500 more.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>
 On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Traci Duncan >>> > wrote:

 This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome. *Laughs

 $2500 though, wow!

 I love the idea of a qwerty keyboard with braille reading.

 Traci


> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>  > wrote:
>
> Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new.
> It's sold by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware
> as well.
> TIA,
> Donna
>
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Re: Mantis Q40?

[joseph hodge]

Hi Traci,

The Mantis supports
MacOS 15.5.5+ Catalina
iOS 13.5.1+

Joe
> On Aug 6, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Will the Mantis work with older Apple devices? My Mac is running High Sierra 
> and I have iDevices running iOs 12.
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 6:23 AM, joseph hodge > > wrote:
>> 
>> Check your spam folder some times the message goes there but you have to 
>> respond t a message saying you do want to join. If you have problems email 
>> me at jho...@aph.org  with your email and I will add 
>> you.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have received no 
>>> confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list email. So I 
>>> don’t know if this list is actually working.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Aug 6, 2020, at 7:51 AM, joseph hodge >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Kerryann,
 
 APH does have a list you can join to learn about the Chameleon or Mantis. 
 Feel free to ask questions relating to the products. If you would like to 
 join send an email to mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org 
 
 
 
> On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Kerryann Ifill  > wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I’m very new to the group tough I’ve had a Mac for some years now.
> I’m about to purchase the Chameleon as I prefer compact sized displays 
> and my old Varioultra20 is indicating that it wants to go to the big 
> braille display bin in the sky!
> 
> I’m looking forward to learning more about t the product and will 
> hopefully love this unit as much as my other 2 displays.
> 
> Regards
> Kerry
> 
>> On 5 Aug 2020, at 3:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tracy,
>> 
>> I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille display with 
>> a qwerty keyboard to use with my phone or iPad
>> 
>> Not thrilled about the price, but I don't think you can get 40 cells for 
>> less. The Focus is actually $500 more.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Traci Duncan >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome. *Laughs
>>> 
>>> $2500 though, wow! 
>>> 
>>> I love the idea of a qwerty keyboard with braille reading. 
>>> 
>>> Traci
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 >>> > wrote:
 
 Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's 
 sold by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Re: Mantis Q40?

[Traci Duncan]

Will the Mantis work with older Apple devices? My Mac is running High Sierra 
and I have iDevices running iOs 12.

Thanks,
Traci


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> 
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have received no 
>> confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list email. So I 
>> don’t know if this list is actually working.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 7:51 AM, joseph hodge >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Kerryann,
>>> 
>>> APH does have a list you can join to learn about the Chameleon or Mantis. 
>>> Feel free to ask questions relating to the products. If you would like to 
>>> join send an email to mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Kerryann Ifill >>> > wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 I’m very new to the group tough I’ve had a Mac for some years now.
 I’m about to purchase the Chameleon as I prefer compact sized displays and 
 my old Varioultra20 is indicating that it wants to go to the big braille 
 display bin in the sky!
 
 I’m looking forward to learning more about t the product and will 
 hopefully love this unit as much as my other 2 displays.
 
 Regards
 Kerry
 
> On 5 Aug 2020, at 3:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tracy,
> 
> I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille display with a 
> qwerty keyboard to use with my phone or iPad
> 
> Not thrilled about the price, but I don't think you can get 40 cells for 
> less. The Focus is actually $500 more.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Traci Duncan > > wrote:
>> 
>> This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome. *Laughs
>> 
>> $2500 though, wow! 
>> 
>> I love the idea of a qwerty keyboard with braille reading. 
>> 
>> Traci
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
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>>> Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's 
>>> sold by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: How to block a sender in Mail?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I've been deleting them, but I'll try this. I didn't even think of that. lol 
Thanks, Jonathan.
Cheers,
Donna


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> YOu could move messages from the sender to the junk folder and Mail will 
> probably pick up on that.
> 
> 
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Is there a way to block a sender in Mail other than creating a rule? Still 
>> running High Sierra.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: How to block a sender in Mail?

[Jonathan Cohn]

YOu could move messages from the sender to the junk folder and Mail will 
probably pick up on that.


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> Hi all,
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> TIA,
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Re: Using Outlook on the Mac

[Jonathan Cohn]

Well, Outlook has become a bit of a bloated mess but when I was using Exchange 
365 with my work account, there was a “new” view for outlook that I felt more 
efficient in. Since my employment has changed and I am now using a private 
exchange service this option was no longer available to me, and I switched to 
mostly using Apple Mail again.
Jonathan  

> On Aug 6, 2020, at 6:46 AM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I found this on the web:
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/basic-tasks-using-a-screen-reader-with-email-in-outlook-3fe74ea4-b512-490f-bb42-95fdeb722b9e
>  
> 
> It might be what you are looking for.
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 3:07 PM, Jessica Moss > > wrote:
>> 
>> I’d love this as well, sense I’m finding it a pain in the butt to even 
>> navigate to my e-mail folders with it.
>> 
>>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Paul Parravano >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> I’m beginning to use Outlook and am wondering if there is a key command 
>>> list or a getting-started piece that might be helpful? I began with writing 
>>> an email and found that when I hit the enter key, I’m not getting a new 
>>> line, but rather being moved to another part of Outlook. Hoping to get 
>>> acquainted with calendar and contact, called people, as well.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any guidance. I did use Outlook in Windows, but that was several 
>>> years ago. I’m trying to switch from Apple mail now to see how it goes.
>>> 
>>> Thanks again,
>>> 
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Re: Mantis Q40?

[joseph hodge]

Check your spam folder some times the message goes there but you have to 
respond t a message saying you do want to join. If you have problems email me 
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> On Aug 6, 2020, at 9:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have received no 
> confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list email. So I 
> don’t know if this list is actually working.
> Best,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 7:51 AM, joseph hodge  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kerryann,
>> 
>> APH does have a list you can join to learn about the Chameleon or Mantis. 
>> Feel free to ask questions relating to the products. If you would like to 
>> join send an email to mantis-chameleon-user-subscr...@tech.aph.org 
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>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Kerryann Ifill >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> I’m very new to the group tough I’ve had a Mac for some years now.
>>> I’m about to purchase the Chameleon as I prefer compact sized displays and 
>>> my old Varioultra20 is indicating that it wants to go to the big braille 
>>> display bin in the sky!
>>> 
>>> I’m looking forward to learning more about t the product and will hopefully 
>>> love this unit as much as my other 2 displays.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Kerry
>>> 
 On 5 Aug 2020, at 3:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Tracy,
 
 I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille display with a 
 qwerty keyboard to use with my phone or iPad
 
 Not thrilled about the price, but I don't think you can get 40 cells for 
 less. The Focus is actually $500 more.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Traci Duncan  > wrote:
> 
> This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome. *Laughs
> 
> $2500 though, wow! 
> 
> I love the idea of a qwerty keyboard with braille reading. 
> 
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's 
>> sold by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Mantis Q40?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Just FYI, I tried to subscribe to this list yesterday. I have received no 
confirmation of my subscription, and have not received any list email. So I 
don’t know if this list is actually working.
Best,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 6, 2020, at 7:51 AM, joseph hodge  wrote:
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> 
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>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:27 AM, Kerryann Ifill  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I’m very new to the group tough I’ve had a Mac for some years now.
>> I’m about to purchase the Chameleon as I prefer compact sized displays and 
>> my old Varioultra20 is indicating that it wants to go to the big braille 
>> display bin in the sky!
>> 
>> I’m looking forward to learning more about t the product and will hopefully 
>> love this unit as much as my other 2 displays.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Kerry
>> 
>>> On 5 Aug 2020, at 3:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tracy,
>>> 
>>> I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille display with a 
>>> qwerty keyboard to use with my phone or iPad
>>> 
>>> Not thrilled about the price, but I don't think you can get 40 cells for 
>>> less. The Focus is actually $500 more.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
 
 This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome. *Laughs
 
 $2500 though, wow! 
 
 I love the idea of a qwerty keyboard with braille reading. 
 
 Traci
 
 
> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> TIA,
> Donna
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Carbon Copy

[Ramy Moustafa Saber]

Hi all:

I installed a fresh copy of Catalina, and i need to make a full back-up for my 
system, I read that the best thing is the Carbon copy, is that correct? and if 
so, how can i use it? is it accessible?
Thanks in advance 

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Re: Mantis Q40?

[joseph hodge]

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> 
> I’m very new to the group tough I’ve had a Mac for some years now.
> I’m about to purchase the Chameleon as I prefer compact sized displays and my 
> old Varioultra20 is indicating that it wants to go to the big braille display 
> bin in the sky!
> 
> I’m looking forward to learning more about t the product and will hopefully 
> love this unit as much as my other 2 displays.
> 
> Regards
> Kerry
> 
>> On 5 Aug 2020, at 3:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi Tracy,
>> 
>> I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille display with a 
>> qwerty keyboard to use with my phone or iPad
>> 
>> Not thrilled about the price, but I don't think you can get 40 cells for 
>> less. The Focus is actually $500 more.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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>>> This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome. *Laughs
>>> 
>>> $2500 though, wow! 
>>> 
>>> I love the idea of a qwerty keyboard with braille reading. 
>>> 
>>> Traci
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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 Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold 
 by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
 TIA,
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Re: Mantis Q40?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Kerry,

When you get it, please do share your impressions with the group. I’m very 
interested.
Best,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 6, 2020, at 1:27 AM, Kerryann Ifill  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I’m very new to the group tough I’ve had a Mac for some years now.
> I’m about to purchase the Chameleon as I prefer compact sized displays and my 
> old Varioultra20 is indicating that it wants to go to the big braille display 
> bin in the sky!
> 
> I’m looking forward to learning more about t the product and will hopefully 
> love this unit as much as my other 2 displays.
> 
> Regards
> Kerry
> 
>> On 5 Aug 2020, at 3:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tracy,
>> 
>> I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille display with a 
>> qwerty keyboard to use with my phone or iPad
>> 
>> Not thrilled about the price, but I don't think you can get 40 cells for 
>> less. The Focus is actually $500 more.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
 On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome. *Laughs
>>> 
>>> $2500 though, wow! 
>>> 
>>> I love the idea of a qwerty keyboard with braille reading. 
>>> 
>>> Traci
>>> 
>>> 
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 Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold 
 by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
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Re: Using Outlook on the Mac

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
I found this on the web:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/basic-tasks-using-a-screen-reader-with-email-in-outlook-3fe74ea4-b512-490f-bb42-95fdeb722b9e
 

It might be what you are looking for.

Greg Wocher


> On Aug 5, 2020, at 3:07 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> I’d love this as well, sense I’m finding it a pain in the butt to even 
> navigate to my e-mail folders with it.
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Paul Parravano  wrote:
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>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I’m beginning to use Outlook and am wondering if there is a key command list 
>> or a getting-started piece that might be helpful? I began with writing an 
>> email and found that when I hit the enter key, I’m not getting a new line, 
>> but rather being moved to another part of Outlook. Hoping to get acquainted 
>> with calendar and contact, called people, as well.
>> 
>> Thanks for any guidance. I did use Outlook in Windows, but that was several 
>> years ago. I’m trying to switch from Apple mail now to see how it goes.
>> 
>> Thanks again,
>> 
>> Paul
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