Re: I have reported some serious voice-over bugs in recovery partition to Apple on big sur

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
Thanks for that, I certainly hope they fix this.

> On 16 Nov 2020, at 1:06 pm, Gerry Cook  wrote:
> 
> Hi Michael I was told that the caption that is with voiceover keeps turning 
> it off and on so we haven’t got any idea what’s happening,  if you want to 
> repair or erase a disk using disk utility so i sent capture data to apple and 
> hopefully it’ll be fixed in the next update.  thanks. 
> 
>> On 15 Nov 2020, at 10:28 pm, Michael Marshall  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> hey all,
>> I have found a couple of bugs whilst using recovery on big sur with 
>> voiceover which I have reported to Apple and if any of you can find them, I 
>> would really encourage you to do the same.
>> The first thing is the Wi-Fi problem, it has always been tricky but 
>> manageable, now when you hit VO MM twice, there is absolutely no way to 
>> access those options.
>> Also the tab key is useless in recovery with voice-over, if you want to go 
>> to the continue button, you first have to select your options such as 
>> restore from Time Machine backup using VO right and left and then VO right 
>> down to the continue button.
>> The last and most serious from my standpoint is the continual crashing with 
>> voice-over in both disk utility and the installation of the system from 
>> recovery.
>> If you going to disk utility from recovery and try to go to the table to 
>> select a disk or the toolbar, voice-over will just continuously crash.
>> The only way to fix it is to command Q out of disk utility and then restart 
>> voice-over.
>> I have sent feedback through the assistant to Apple and I hope they take a 
>> look at this before the next beta update.
>> 
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Re: I have reported some serious voice-over bugs in recovery partition to Apple on big sur

[Gerry Cook]

Hi Michael I was told that the caption that is with voiceover keeps turning it 
off and on so we haven’t got any idea what’s happening,  if you want to repair 
or erase a disk using disk utility so i sent capture data to apple and 
hopefully it’ll be fixed in the next update.  thanks. 

> On 15 Nov 2020, at 10:28 pm, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> hey all,
> I have found a couple of bugs whilst using recovery on big sur with voiceover 
> which I have reported to Apple and if any of you can find them, I would 
> really encourage you to do the same.
> The first thing is the Wi-Fi problem, it has always been tricky but 
> manageable, now when you hit VO MM twice, there is absolutely no way to 
> access those options.
> Also the tab key is useless in recovery with voice-over, if you want to go to 
> the continue button, you first have to select your options such as restore 
> from Time Machine backup using VO right and left and then VO right down to 
> the continue button.
> The last and most serious from my standpoint is the continual crashing with 
> voice-over in both disk utility and the installation of the system from 
> recovery.
> If you going to disk utility from recovery and try to go to the table to 
> select a disk or the toolbar, voice-over will just continuously crash.
> The only way to fix it is to command Q out of disk utility and then restart 
> voice-over.
> I have sent feedback through the assistant to Apple and I hope they take a 
> look at this before the next beta update.
> 
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Re: Am I write and thinking that the Mac mini from 2018 does not have a headset jack?

[Brad Snyder]

That would be my assumption as well.
I’d send the speakers back to Amazon for a refund, and get something else.

- Brad -


On Nov 15, 2020, at 18:08, matthew dyer  
wrote:

Hi Brad and all,

Just tried pair of ear buds with a 3.5 jack and they work fine.  I am incline 
to thingk it is a bad set they gave me since they do not work on any of my 
other devices.  What a shame.  They power up, but they do not show up as an 
option in sound preferences. There is  9only internal speaker, then an empty 
item which vo just says name then airplay device.

Matthew



> On Nov 15, 2020, at 5:20 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> I’ve had speakers similar to this that I used on a Windows PC at work.  They 
> functioned just fine on my Windows machine, so I am wondering why you are 
> having a problem using them on a Mac mini.
> I know you said you can see a little green light, so you know the speakers 
> have power.
> I’m wondering if there is a way to make sure there is not a problem with the 
> audio output jack.
> Perhaps you could try plugging in a pair of 3.5 mm headphones into the audio 
> output jack to see if they will work,, or try a different pair of speakers.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Nov 15, 2020, at 15:54, matthew dyer  > wrote:
> 
> Hi PPeet,
> 
> Here you,.  Thees are usb speakers and are suposivly plug and play.  You plug 
> in the usb end into the USB port of your machine which is how they get power 
> and then youplugin the 3.5 mm end into the jack for sound output.  With that 
> here is the link.
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DDK3W5D/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>  
> 
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2020, at 12:21 PM, Pete De Vasto > > wrote:
>> 
>> Matthew,
>> 
>> Would you be willing to share the brand and model of your speakers? I’m 
>> intrigued by you saying that the cord has a USB plug on one end and a 
>> 3.5-inch plug on the other, and I’d like to learn more about the concept.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Pete De Vasto
>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 12:26 PM, matthew dyer 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Peet,
>>> 
>>> I still have sound through the internal speeker even wile the speakers 
>>> connected.  Other headphones work far as I know.  I am guessing it is the 
>>> speakers themselfs but not sure as I sill have a surface pro I might be 
>>> able to test with.  My linux machine did not work there either.
>>> 
>>> The cord has a usb connecter on one end which plugs into a USB port and the 
>>> other  end is a 3.5 mm jack which plugs into a  3.5 jack.  Both are plugged 
>>> in so not sure.  What is going on.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 14, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Pete De Vasto >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I have a couple of questions about this, and I’m sure you’ve looked at 
 these, but I feel better at least asking. First, do you have any other 
 devices with 3.5-inch jacks that you can connect your speakers to, do they 
 work with these other devices? Next, do you by chance have a pair of 
 headphones that have a 3.5-inch mini plug? If so, have you tried 
 connecting these headphones to the jack on your Mac mini? Also, if there’s 
 a volume adjustment somewhere in System Prefs, have you checked it to make 
 sure you have it at any level, like maybe even 50%? Another idea, if you 
 have music on your computer, try playing a song or other audio content. 
 I’m wondering if there may be something in VO that’s affecting things when 
 you switch audio output from internal speakers to the output jack. 
 Finally, perhaps something is muted? I hope these aren’t too goofy a bunch 
 of questions.
 
 Pete De Vasto. 
 
> On Nov 14, 2020, at 8:27 AM, matthew dyer 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Yes and this is a shame as I really want to get thees speakers running on 
> this machine.  Oh well I guess I will have to keep hunting for something 
> that works.  Like I said I can confirm that they have power.  VO just 
> says name which is empty.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> I do notice that on my 2019 MacBook Pro, also running macOS Catalina 
>> 10.15.7, the Headphone jack does not show up int the list of Output 
>> devices when nothing is plugged into the jack.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 09:20, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I have no explanation for this.  The external audio jack shows up 
>> on my 2018 Mac mini with or without anything connected.
>> I am running macOS Catalina 1

Re: Am I write and thinking that the Mac mini from 2018 does not have a headset jack?

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

What happens if you change the audio output device in System Preferences?

On 11/14/20 3:26 PM, matthew dyer wrote:

Peet,

I still have sound through the internal speeker even wile the speakers 
connected.  Other headphones work far as I know.  I am guessing it is 
the speakers themselfs but not sure as I sill have a surface pro I 
might be able to test with.  My linux machine did not work there either.


The cord has a usb connecter on one end which plugs into a USB port 
and the other  end is a 3.5 mm jack which plugs into a  3.5 jack. 
 Both are plugged in so not sure.  What is going on.


Matthew



On Nov 14, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Pete De Vasto > wrote:


Hi,

I have a couple of questions about this, and I’m sure you’ve looked 
at these, but I feel better at least asking. First, do you have any 
other devices with 3.5-inch jacks that you can connect your speakers 
to, do they work with these other devices? Next, do you by chance 
have a pair of headphones that have a 3.5-inch mini plug? If so, have 
you tried connecting these headphones to the jack on your Mac mini? 
Also, if there’s a volume adjustment somewhere in System Prefs, have 
you checked it to make sure you have it at any level, like maybe even 
50%? Another idea, if you have music on your computer, try playing a 
song or other audio content. I’m wondering if there may be something 
in VO that’s affecting things when you switch audio output from 
internal speakers to the output jack. Finally, perhaps something is 
muted? I hope these aren’t too goofy a bunch of questions.


Pete De Vasto.

On Nov 14, 2020, at 8:27 AM, matthew dyer 
> wrote:


Yes and this is a shame as I really want to get thees speakers 
running on this machine.  Oh well I guess I will have to keep 
hunting for something that works.  Like I said I can confirm that 
they have power.  VO just says name which is empty.


Matthew




On Nov 14, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Brad Snyder > wrote:


I do notice that on my 2019 MacBook Pro, also running macOS 
Catalina 10.15.7, the Headphone jack does not show up int the list 
of Output devices when nothing is plugged into the jack.


- Brad -


On Nov 14, 2020, at 09:20, Brad Snyder > wrote:


Well, I have no explanation for this.  The external audio jack 
shows up on my 2018 Mac mini with or without anything connected.

I am running macOS Catalina 10.15.7.

- Brad -


On Nov 14, 2020, at 08:34, matthew dyer 
> wrote:


Hi, it doesn’t show up at all. I have internal speakers  and 
airplay device. Very strange.


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2020, at 8:39 PM, Brad Snyder > wrote:


 In System Preferences > Sound > Output Devices, the Audio output 
port on the back of the Mac mini will show as External Headphones, 
even when speakers are connected.


HTH

- Brad -


On Nov 13, 2020, at 17:12, matthew dyer 
> wrote:


Hi Brad,

I think I got it.  Only problem is that in sound settings is not 
showing it,  That might be do to not having restarted yet, but 
there is a device that is not speaking.  The light is on on the 
speaker so I know it is getting power.  Thanks.


Matthew



On Nov 13, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Brad Snyder > wrote:


Mac mini 2018 has a 3.5 mm audio output located on the back of 
the unit, below the 2 USB-A ports.

The unit does not have an audio input jack.



- Brad -


On Nov 13, 2020, at 15:47, matthew dyer 
> wrote:


Hi all,

I have a Mac mini 2018 and unless I am missing something, Ido not 
see a headset jack on the machine.  Does this machine not have 
one?  If not, is there a usb adaptor that I can get for this as I 
just got a new set of speakers with a 3.5 jack on one end and a 
usb connecter on the other.  Thanks.


Matthew


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Re: Am I write and thinking that the Mac mini from 2018 does not have a headset jack?

[matthew dyer]

Hi Brad and all,

Just tried pair of ear buds with a 3.5 jack and they work fine.  I am incline 
to thingk it is a bad set they gave me since they do not work on any of my 
other devices.  What a shame.  They power up, but they do not show up as an 
option in sound preferences. There is  9only internal speaker, then an empty 
item which vo just says name then airplay device.

Matthew



On Nov 15, 2020, at 5:20 PM, Brad Snyder 
mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

I’ve had speakers similar to this that I used on a Windows PC at work.  They 
functioned just fine on my Windows machine, so I am wondering why you are 
having a problem using them on a Mac mini.
I know you said you can see a little green light, so you know the speakers have 
power.
I’m wondering if there is a way to make sure there is not a problem with the 
audio output jack.
Perhaps you could try plugging in a pair of 3.5 mm headphones into the audio 
output jack to see if they will work,, or try a different pair of speakers.

- Brad -


On Nov 15, 2020, at 15:54, matthew dyer 
mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
wrote:

Hi PPeet,

Here you,.  Thees are usb speakers and are suposivly plug and play.  You plug 
in the usb end into the USB port of your machine which is how they get power 
and then youplugin the 3.5 mm end into the jack for sound output.  With that 
here is the link.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DDK3W5D/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Matthew


On Nov 15, 2020, at 12:21 PM, Pete De Vasto 
mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Matthew,

Would you be willing to share the brand and model of your speakers? I’m 
intrigued by you saying that the cord has a USB plug on one end and a 3.5-inch 
plug on the other, and I’d like to learn more about the concept.

Thanks,
Pete De Vasto

On Nov 14, 2020, at 12:26 PM, matthew dyer 
mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
wrote:

Peet,

I still have sound through the internal speeker even wile the speakers 
connected.  Other headphones work far as I know.  I am guessing it is the 
speakers themselfs but not sure as I sill have a surface pro I might be able to 
test with.  My linux machine did not work there either.

The cord has a usb connecter on one end which plugs into a USB port and the 
other  end is a 3.5 mm jack which plugs into a  3.5 jack.  Both are plugged in 
so not sure.  What is going on.

Matthew



On Nov 14, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Pete De Vasto 
mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,

I have a couple of questions about this, and I’m sure you’ve looked at these, 
but I feel better at least asking. First, do you have any other devices with 
3.5-inch jacks that you can connect your speakers to, do they work with these 
other devices? Next, do you by chance have a pair of headphones that have a 
3.5-inch mini plug? If so, have you tried connecting these headphones to the 
jack on your Mac mini? Also, if there’s a volume adjustment somewhere in System 
Prefs, have you checked it to make sure you have it at any level, like maybe 
even 50%? Another idea, if you have music on your computer, try playing a song 
or other audio content. I’m wondering if there may be something in VO that’s 
affecting things when you switch audio output from internal speakers to the 
output jack. Finally, perhaps something is muted? I hope these aren’t too goofy 
a bunch of questions.

Pete De Vasto.

On Nov 14, 2020, at 8:27 AM, matthew dyer 
mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
wrote:

Yes and this is a shame as I really want to get thees speakers running on this 
machine.  Oh well I guess I will have to keep hunting for something that works. 
 Like I said I can confirm that they have power.  VO just says name which is 
empty.

Matthew




On Nov 14, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Brad Snyder 
mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

I do notice that on my 2019 MacBook Pro, also running macOS Catalina 10.15.7, 
the Headphone jack does not show up int the list of Output devices when nothing 
is plugged into the jack.

- Brad -


On Nov 14, 2020, at 09:20, Brad Snyder 
mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

Well, I have no explanation for this.  The external audio jack shows up on my 
2018 Mac mini with or without anything connected.
I am running macOS Catalina 10.15.7.

- Brad -


On Nov 14, 2020, at 08:34, matthew dyer 
mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
wrote:

Hi, it doesn’t show up at all. I have internal speakers  and airplay device. 
Very strange.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2020, at 8:39 PM, Brad Snyder 
mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

 In System Preferences > Sound > Output Devices, the Audio output port on the 
back of the Mac mini will show as External Headphones, even when speakers are 
connected.

HTH

- Brad -


On Nov 13, 2020, at 17:12, matthew dyer 
mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
wrote:

Hi Brad,

I think I got it.  Only problem is that in sound settings is not showing it,  
That might be do to not having restarted yet, but there is a device that i

Has anyone upgraded to one of the new iPads?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

I have a sixth-gen iPad, and am considering upgrading to one of the new ones. 
I'm on the fence about which one. I don't need most of the features of the Air, 
and I'm not crazy about the larger size, but I'm attracted to the faster 
processor. Has anyone gotten either of the new iPads yet? If so, what are your 
impressions? Was the upgrade worth it? Why or why not?
TIA,
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Re: Am I write and thinking that the Mac mini from 2018 does not have a headset jack?

[Brad Snyder]

I’ve had speakers similar to this that I used on a Windows PC at work.  They 
functioned just fine on my Windows machine, so I am wondering why you are 
having a problem using them on a Mac mini.
I know you said you can see a little green light, so you know the speakers have 
power.
I’m wondering if there is a way to make sure there is not a problem with the 
audio output jack.
Perhaps you could try plugging in a pair of 3.5 mm headphones into the audio 
output jack to see if they will work,, or try a different pair of speakers.

- Brad -


On Nov 15, 2020, at 15:54, matthew dyer  
wrote:

Hi PPeet,

Here you,.  Thees are usb speakers and are suposivly plug and play.  You plug 
in the usb end into the USB port of your machine which is how they get power 
and then youplugin the 3.5 mm end into the jack for sound output.  With that 
here is the link.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DDK3W5D/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 


Matthew


> On Nov 15, 2020, at 12:21 PM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
> 
> Matthew,
> 
> Would you be willing to share the brand and model of your speakers? I’m 
> intrigued by you saying that the cord has a USB plug on one end and a 
> 3.5-inch plug on the other, and I’d like to learn more about the concept.
> 
> Thanks,
> Pete De Vasto
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 12:26 PM, matthew dyer > > wrote:
>> 
>> Peet,
>> 
>> I still have sound through the internal speeker even wile the speakers 
>> connected.  Other headphones work far as I know.  I am guessing it is the 
>> speakers themselfs but not sure as I sill have a surface pro I might be able 
>> to test with.  My linux machine did not work there either.
>> 
>> The cord has a usb connecter on one end which plugs into a USB port and the 
>> other  end is a 3.5 mm jack which plugs into a  3.5 jack.  Both are plugged 
>> in so not sure.  What is going on.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Pete De Vasto >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I have a couple of questions about this, and I’m sure you’ve looked at 
>>> these, but I feel better at least asking. First, do you have any other 
>>> devices with 3.5-inch jacks that you can connect your speakers to, do they 
>>> work with these other devices? Next, do you by chance have a pair of 
>>> headphones that have a 3.5-inch mini plug? If so, have you tried connecting 
>>> these headphones to the jack on your Mac mini? Also, if there’s a volume 
>>> adjustment somewhere in System Prefs, have you checked it to make sure you 
>>> have it at any level, like maybe even 50%? Another idea, if you have music 
>>> on your computer, try playing a song or other audio content. I’m wondering 
>>> if there may be something in VO that’s affecting things when you switch 
>>> audio output from internal speakers to the output jack. Finally, perhaps 
>>> something is muted? I hope these aren’t too goofy a bunch of questions.
>>> 
>>> Pete De Vasto. 
>>> 
 On Nov 14, 2020, at 8:27 AM, matthew dyer 
 >>> > wrote:
 
 Yes and this is a shame as I really want to get thees speakers running on 
 this machine.  Oh well I guess I will have to keep hunting for something 
 that works.  Like I said I can confirm that they have power.  VO just says 
 name which is empty.
 
 Matthew
 
 
 
 
> On Nov 14, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> I do notice that on my 2019 MacBook Pro, also running macOS Catalina 
> 10.15.7, the Headphone jack does not show up int the list of Output 
> devices when nothing is plugged into the jack.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Nov 14, 2020, at 09:20, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> Well, I have no explanation for this.  The external audio jack shows up 
> on my 2018 Mac mini with or without anything connected.
> I am running macOS Catalina 10.15.7.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Nov 14, 2020, at 08:34, matthew dyer  > wrote:
> 
> Hi, it doesn’t show up at all. I have internal speakers  and airplay 
> device. Very strange.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 13, 2020, at 8:39 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>>  In System Preferences > Sound > Output Devices, the Audio output port 
>> on the back of the Mac mini will show as External Headphones, even when 
>> speakers are connected.
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 13, 2020, at 17:12, matthew dyer 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Brad,
>> 
>> I think I got it.  Only problem is that in sound settings is not showing 
>>>

Re: Am I write and thinking that the Mac mini from 2018 does not have a headset jack?

[matthew dyer]

Hi PPeet,

Here you,.  Thees are usb speakers and are suposivly plug and play.  You plug 
in the usb end into the USB port of your machine which is how they get power 
and then youplugin the 3.5 mm end into the jack for sound output.  With that 
here is the link.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DDK3W5D/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Matthew


On Nov 15, 2020, at 12:21 PM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:

Matthew,

Would you be willing to share the brand and model of your speakers? I’m 
intrigued by you saying that the cord has a USB plug on one end and a 3.5-inch 
plug on the other, and I’d like to learn more about the concept.

Thanks,
Pete De Vasto

On Nov 14, 2020, at 12:26 PM, matthew dyer 
mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
wrote:

Peet,

I still have sound through the internal speeker even wile the speakers 
connected.  Other headphones work far as I know.  I am guessing it is the 
speakers themselfs but not sure as I sill have a surface pro I might be able to 
test with.  My linux machine did not work there either.

The cord has a usb connecter on one end which plugs into a USB port and the 
other  end is a 3.5 mm jack which plugs into a  3.5 jack.  Both are plugged in 
so not sure.  What is going on.

Matthew



On Nov 14, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Pete De Vasto 
mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,

I have a couple of questions about this, and I’m sure you’ve looked at these, 
but I feel better at least asking. First, do you have any other devices with 
3.5-inch jacks that you can connect your speakers to, do they work with these 
other devices? Next, do you by chance have a pair of headphones that have a 
3.5-inch mini plug? If so, have you tried connecting these headphones to the 
jack on your Mac mini? Also, if there’s a volume adjustment somewhere in System 
Prefs, have you checked it to make sure you have it at any level, like maybe 
even 50%? Another idea, if you have music on your computer, try playing a song 
or other audio content. I’m wondering if there may be something in VO that’s 
affecting things when you switch audio output from internal speakers to the 
output jack. Finally, perhaps something is muted? I hope these aren’t too goofy 
a bunch of questions.

Pete De Vasto.

On Nov 14, 2020, at 8:27 AM, matthew dyer 
mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
wrote:

Yes and this is a shame as I really want to get thees speakers running on this 
machine.  Oh well I guess I will have to keep hunting for something that works. 
 Like I said I can confirm that they have power.  VO just says name which is 
empty.

Matthew




On Nov 14, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Brad Snyder 
mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

I do notice that on my 2019 MacBook Pro, also running macOS Catalina 10.15.7, 
the Headphone jack does not show up int the list of Output devices when nothing 
is plugged into the jack.

- Brad -


On Nov 14, 2020, at 09:20, Brad Snyder 
mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

Well, I have no explanation for this.  The external audio jack shows up on my 
2018 Mac mini with or without anything connected.
I am running macOS Catalina 10.15.7.

- Brad -


On Nov 14, 2020, at 08:34, matthew dyer 
mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
wrote:

Hi, it doesn’t show up at all. I have internal speakers  and airplay device. 
Very strange.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2020, at 8:39 PM, Brad Snyder 
mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

 In System Preferences > Sound > Output Devices, the Audio output port on the 
back of the Mac mini will show as External Headphones, even when speakers are 
connected.

HTH

- Brad -


On Nov 13, 2020, at 17:12, matthew dyer 
mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
wrote:

Hi Brad,

I think I got it.  Only problem is that in sound settings is not showing it,  
That might be do to not having restarted yet, but there is a device that is not 
speaking.  The light is on on the speaker so I know it is getting power.  
Thanks.

Matthew



On Nov 13, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Brad Snyder 
mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

Mac mini 2018 has a 3.5 mm audio output located on the back of the unit, below 
the 2 USB-A ports.
The unit does not have an audio input jack.



- Brad -


On Nov 13, 2020, at 15:47, matthew dyer 
mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@outlook.com>> 
wrote:

Hi all,

I have a Mac mini 2018 and unless I am missing something, Ido not see a headset 
jack on the machine.  Does this machine not have one?  If not, is there a usb 
adaptor that I can get for this as I just got a new set of speakers with a 3.5 
jack on one end and a usb connecter on the other.  Thanks.

Matthew


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infoVox iVox Voices on Bigsur

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello,
FYI the infoVox iVox voices currently do not work on Mac/Os Bigsur. I have 
contacted their support team and have been advised that this is a known issue 
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Thesed are my favorite voices so that is goodnews.
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Re: Apple Mail on Bigsur: where have All Archive, All Bin, and All Junk gone?

[Jonathan Cohn]

OK, I re-read this message. I don't know if there is still an all archives, but 
Apple did merge the "Favorite" folders into the panel of folders rather than 
having it as a separate panel. So at the top of the Mailbox list are your 
favorite folders, then the "all XX" folder, then smart folders and finally 
trees based on Mailboxes.
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I have reported some serious voice-over bugs in recovery partition to Apple on big sur

[Michael Marshall]

hey all,
I have found a couple of bugs whilst using recovery on big sur with voiceover 
which I have reported to Apple and if any of you can find them, I would really 
encourage you to do the same.
The first thing is the Wi-Fi problem, it has always been tricky but manageable, 
now when you hit VO MM twice, there is absolutely no way to access those 
options.
Also the tab key is useless in recovery with voice-over, if you want to go to 
the continue button, you first have to select your options such as restore from 
Time Machine backup using VO right and left and then VO right down to the 
continue button.
The last and most serious from my standpoint is the continual crashing with 
voice-over in both disk utility and the installation of the system from 
recovery.
If you going to disk utility from recovery and try to go to the table to select 
a disk or the toolbar, voice-over will just continuously crash.
The only way to fix it is to command Q out of disk utility and then restart 
voice-over.
I have sent feedback through the assistant to Apple and I hope they take a look 
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Re: Column view in Finder on Bigsur and the Tab key.

[Herbie Allen]

I have also noticed this. However, I also noticed that Tab does not tell you 
the folder has ben opened while VO left and right do.


> On Nov 15, 2020, at 10:25, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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> Hello,
> Column view is my preferred Finder interface. In the past I used to use Right 
> Arrow to expand a folder and Left Arrow to colllapse a folder. This no longer 
> works in Bigsur.
> However using Tab to expand a folder and Shift+Tab to collapse a folder works 
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Re: Apple Mail on Bigsur: where have All Archive, All Bin, and All Junk gone?

[Herbie Allen]

I just looked and mine are still there. I couldn’t fine it with first letter 
navigation though. 

> On Nov 15, 2020, at 11:25, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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> Hello,
> After upgrading from the latest Catalina to Bigsur I see that my prior mail 
> boxes All Archive, All Bin, and All Junk have disapperared. All these mail 
> boxes contained messages in Catalina. 
> If I archive a message in Bigsur it appears in the All Archive folder on my 
> iPhone running IOS 14.2 but there is still no All Archive mail box created on 
> Bigsur and I cannot find the archived message anywhere.
> Please note that I have 3 different Email addresses all using iMap protocoal 
> and all using my Internet provider Mail server.   All Inbox, All Sent, and 
> All Draft seem to be working OK on Bigsur.
> Have any others encountered the above problem?
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Re: Column view in Finder on Bigsur and the Tab key.

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In all other versions of MacOS that supported column view, the left and right 
arrow keys with no modifier would switch you to the next or previous column, 
not really opening the folder, but moving focus into the column. I heard that 
in Bigsir that tab and shift tab do this, which is not as convenient but might 
be more logical.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



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> Apple's documentation indicates that using right/left-arrow to 
> expand/collapse folders works only in list view.
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236
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>Hello,
>Column view is my preferred Finder interface. In the past I used to use 
> Right Arrow to expand a folder and Left Arrow to colllapse a folder. This no 
> longer works in Bigsur.
>However using Tab to expand a folder and Shift+Tab to collapse a folder 
> works fine. I recall this is how Windows works. I prefer the Right Arrow and 
> Left Arrow but can live with the Tab key approach.
>Hope this helps others who have encountered this problem.
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Apple Mail on Bigsur: where have All Archive, All Bin, and All Junk gone?

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello,
After upgrading from the latest Catalina to Bigsur I see that my prior mail 
boxes All Archive, All Bin, and All Junk have disapperared. All these mail 
boxes contained messages in Catalina. 
If I archive a message in Bigsur it appears in the All Archive folder on my 
iPhone running IOS 14.2 but there is still no All Archive mail box created on 
Bigsur and I cannot find the archived message anywhere.
Please note that I have 3 different Email addresses all using iMap protocoal 
and all using my Internet provider Mail server.   All Inbox, All Sent, and All 
Draft seem to be working OK on Bigsur.
Have any others encountered the above problem?
Many thanks for any tips … Paul Hopewell

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Re: How I can make Microsoft teams to be accessible with voice over?

[Jonathan Cohn]

I have experienced the issue with notification problems but the notification 
window will often go away if you  wait. Since I am impatient, what I do when I 
get stuck in the notification window is to  use the close window command which 
ends up with me having no Teams windows open and then clicking on teams in the 
dock to bring up the primary window again.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



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> 1, Big Sur is fine.  Some have reported that dismissing notifications are 
> hard, but I haven’t ran into this issue.  2nd, you can send from alias’s just 
> fine from IOS, I have been doing it since IOS 10.  What you have to do is, 
> double tap on the from field twice, the 1st time the VoiceOver cursor will 
> jumpp back to the to field, just swipe back to the from field, double tap on 
> the from address again, and then you will get a pop up of choices of email 
> addresses to send from.  Also make sure that your alias is registered under 
> your appleID as a contact point, if not it may not appear in the list of send 
> from emails.  HTH
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>> On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:03 AM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
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>> Hi Jonathan.
>> 
>> Thanks so much about your explanation with to Teams.  I tried using it on 
>> the Mac some time ago and didn’t like it.  It’s better on the I phone but 
>> still kind of horrible.  I’ll keep your message.
>> 
>> I am not upgrading to Big Sur yet until it has got better.  I use to upgrade 
>> straight away but I think I’ll wait until people report that it’s a bit 
>> better than before.  I notice that on IOS you still can’t send emails if you 
>> use an alias as I do if I am writing to lists.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>>> On 15 Nov 2020, at 14:43, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I use it quite often. Generally, it prefers you use the Microsoft keyboard 
>>> shortcuts and not the VO ones. 
>>> 
>>> It sounds like you are not logged into the teams interface. There might be 
>>> another window lurking around asking for your email and password. The Teams 
>>> app is essentially a customized version of Google Chrome, and in fact you 
>>> should be able to do everything in your web browser except perhaps getting 
>>> notification dings when a new message arrives.
>>> 
>>> Here is a quick guide to teams that should help you get started.
>>> Command-1 Activity viewer (not very useful)
>>> command-2 chats  I spend most of my time here 
>>> Command-3 Teams list This is a tree view that you can use up/down to 
>>> navigate and return to open a list of channels in a team.
>>> command-4 will bring up the outlook calendar if your teams is linked to 
>>> exchange.
>>> 
>>> The other major keystroke is command-shift-F to take you to the filter 
>>> entry field. Once you are there, you can either use arrow keys to review 
>>> recent history or type in a partial name and find matches in conversations.
>>>  
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 15, 2020, at 01:32, Steve Z. >>> > wrote:
 
> Hi list!
> I would like to use Microsoft teams from my Mac. I downloaded And 
> installed it from the Microsoft web page. The problem is that when I open 
> the app, I get a blank screen. Like it’s not accessible with voiceover. 
> Is there anything I can do to make it accessible because I need it much?
 Thank you in advance
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Re: Am I write and thinking that the Mac mini from 2018 does not have a headset jack?

[Pete De Vasto]

Matthew,

Would you be willing to share the brand and model of your speakers? I’m 
intrigued by you saying that the cord has a USB plug on one end and a 3.5-inch 
plug on the other, and I’d like to learn more about the concept.

Thanks,
Pete De Vasto

> On Nov 14, 2020, at 12:26 PM, matthew dyer  
> wrote:
> 
> Peet,
> 
> I still have sound through the internal speeker even wile the speakers 
> connected.  Other headphones work far as I know.  I am guessing it is the 
> speakers themselfs but not sure as I sill have a surface pro I might be able 
> to test with.  My linux machine did not work there either.
> 
> The cord has a usb connecter on one end which plugs into a USB port and the 
> other  end is a 3.5 mm jack which plugs into a  3.5 jack.  Both are plugged 
> in so not sure.  What is going on.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Pete De Vasto > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have a couple of questions about this, and I’m sure you’ve looked at 
>> these, but I feel better at least asking. First, do you have any other 
>> devices with 3.5-inch jacks that you can connect your speakers to, do they 
>> work with these other devices? Next, do you by chance have a pair of 
>> headphones that have a 3.5-inch mini plug? If so, have you tried connecting 
>> these headphones to the jack on your Mac mini? Also, if there’s a volume 
>> adjustment somewhere in System Prefs, have you checked it to make sure you 
>> have it at any level, like maybe even 50%? Another idea, if you have music 
>> on your computer, try playing a song or other audio content. I’m wondering 
>> if there may be something in VO that’s affecting things when you switch 
>> audio output from internal speakers to the output jack. Finally, perhaps 
>> something is muted? I hope these aren’t too goofy a bunch of questions.
>> 
>> Pete De Vasto. 
>> 
>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 8:27 AM, matthew dyer >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes and this is a shame as I really want to get thees speakers running on 
>>> this machine.  Oh well I guess I will have to keep hunting for something 
>>> that works.  Like I said I can confirm that they have power.  VO just says 
>>> name which is empty.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 14, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 I do notice that on my 2019 MacBook Pro, also running macOS Catalina 
 10.15.7, the Headphone jack does not show up int the list of Output 
 devices when nothing is plugged into the jack.
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 On Nov 14, 2020, at 09:20, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 Well, I have no explanation for this.  The external audio jack shows up on 
 my 2018 Mac mini with or without anything connected.
 I am running macOS Catalina 10.15.7.
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 On Nov 14, 2020, at 08:34, matthew dyer >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi, it doesn’t show up at all. I have internal speakers  and airplay 
 device. Very strange.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 13, 2020, at 8:39 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
>  In System Preferences > Sound > Output Devices, the Audio output port 
> on the back of the Mac mini will show as External Headphones, even when 
> speakers are connected.
> 
> HTH
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Nov 13, 2020, at 17:12, matthew dyer  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Brad,
> 
> I think I got it.  Only problem is that in sound settings is not showing 
> it,  That might be do to not having restarted yet, but there is a device 
> that is not speaking.  The light is on on the speaker so I know it is 
> getting power.  Thanks.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 13, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> Mac mini 2018 has a 3.5 mm audio output located on the back of the unit, 
>> below the 2 USB-A ports.
>> The unit does not have an audio input jack.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 13, 2020, at 15:47, matthew dyer 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have a Mac mini 2018 and unless I am missing something, Ido not see a 
>> headset jack on the machine.  Does this machine not have one?  If not, 
>> is there a usb adaptor that I can get for this as I just got a new set 
>> of speakers with a 3.5 jack on one end and a usb connecter on the other. 
>>  Thanks.
>> 
>> Matthew
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Re: Column view in Finder on Bigsur and the Tab key.

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
If you are in column view, you can use VO plus left and right arrows to do the 
same thing as just using the arrow keys used to do. This is a possible bug that 
has been reported to apple.

Greg Wocher


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> Apple's documentation indicates that using right/left-arrow to 
> expand/collapse folders works only in list view.
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236
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> On 11/15/20, 11:26, "Paul Hopewell"  behalf of hopew...@hopewell.org.uk> wrote:
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>Hello,
>Column view is my preferred Finder interface. In the past I used to use 
> Right Arrow to expand a folder and Left Arrow to colllapse a folder. This no 
> longer works in Bigsur.
>However using Tab to expand a folder and Shift+Tab to collapse a folder 
> works fine. I recall this is how Windows works. I prefer the Right Arrow and 
> Left Arrow but can live with the Tab key approach.
>Hope this helps others who have encountered this problem.
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Re: Zoom

[Marie Lyons]

It’s the strangest thing! The meeting I want to keep has the delete button to 
the right of the edit button. The one I want to delete does not , despite 
having the meetings tab selected. I’m not sure what to do.

> On Nov 9, 2020, at 7:28 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>  Make sure you choose, meetings, from the tabs. Then, select the meeting you 
> want to delete from the table. Once you do, if you VO right arrow, you should 
> hear the meeting time details. Go passed that and you will find the, Delete, 
> button, after, edit.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 9, 2020, at 7:24 PM, Marie Lyons  wrote:
>> 
>> When I moved right of the edit button I got “join from a room”. So now what?
>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2020, at 8:27 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It should be on the Meetings page. On the Mac, it’s next to the Edit button.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 6, 2020, at 8:26 PM, Marie Lyons  wrote:
 
 How do you delete a meeting you scheduled?
 
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Re: Column view in Finder on Bigsur and the Tab key.

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

Apple's documentation indicates that using right/left-arrow to expand/collapse 
folders works only in list view.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236

On 11/15/20, 11:26, "Paul Hopewell"  wrote:

Hello,
Column view is my preferred Finder interface. In the past I used to use 
Right Arrow to expand a folder and Left Arrow to colllapse a folder. This no 
longer works in Bigsur.
However using Tab to expand a folder and Shift+Tab to collapse a folder 
works fine. I recall this is how Windows works. I prefer the Right Arrow and 
Left Arrow but can live with the Tab key approach.
Hope this helps others who have encountered this problem.
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Re: Time for a new Mac

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

As I recall, running virtualized Linux instances on ARM-based Mac hardware has 
been demonstrated publicly by Apple. Running Linux natively (i.e., without Mac 
OS underneath it) isn't yet supported, and I don't know whether it will be, due 
to the Apple-specific hardware involved.

On 11/14/20, 13:44, "Anders Holmberg"  wrote:

Hi!
Speaking of hombrew.
Is any linux version developed for the arm family like the M1?
Especially Debian is interesting to me as I would love to have a Mac where 
I can run Debian on a separate partition.
/A

> 14 nov. 2020 kl. 00:04 skrev 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
:
> 
> My late 2013 model MacBook Pro can run Big Sur, but it’s among the oldest 
devices capable of doing so. It may not be compatible with next year’s release, 
and, in any case, it’s rather slow nowadays. That’s why I am contemplating an 
upgrade to Apple silicon-based Mac hardware - probably some time next year.
> 
> I don’t plan to run Microsoft Windows on my Mac, so I don’t need x86 
compatibility. It’s time to join the ARM64 revolution. I expect HomeBrew and 
other software sources that I use to release ARM versions of their software for 
the M1 chip as well.
> 
>> On Nov 13, 2020, at 09:32, Steve Matzura  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't remember seeing anything about an ethernet port, which concerns 
me more than a little, but that's OK, I'm OK with getting an ethernet adapter 
that's USB or Thunderbolt or whatever it is on the other end. And if it's only 
10/100, that's a big disappointment. I have near-gigabit Internet connection, 
and I'll be hanged if a silly cheap 10/100Mb piece of hardware is going to slow 
me down by a factor of almost ten.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/12/2020 9:52 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:
>>> How exciting.  Congratulations on going for the new model.  I’m looking 
forward to hearing how you like it.
>>> From what I have read, the new minis have a 10/100 ethernet port, so 
you should be good for a wired network connection.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 12, 2020, at 20:29, Steve Matzura  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Brad.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> When I looked at Mini's jut now, I did not see the i7 
configuration--only the i5, but that shiny zippy new M1 chip configuration was 
just so enticing, well, I just had to go for it--the whole thing--full memory 
and full storage, and it wasn't much more expensive than the 2012 Mini was, 
which surprised me. . I am now over-the-top excited about getting it just a few 
days after my birthday. I got all the interface cables for Thunderbolt and USB 
thiks-and-that, too. The only thing I didn't see available was a network 
adapter or interface for ethernet because I'd much prefer a wired Internet 
connection than a wireless one even though the machine will only bee a few feet 
from the home router. I know there are, or may be, some issues regarding Big 
Sur with Pro Tools, Reaper and Komplete Kontrol, not to mention a few other 
third-party plugins and virtual software instruments, but I'm hopeful they'll 
be solved by Christmas time. Since the machine isn't coming until almost then 
anyway, I'm not particularly concerned about them, if they do exist.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11/12/2020 8:37 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:
 I recently replaced my 2012 Mac mini.  It was exhibiting the same 
behavior as yours, running hot when it had just been sitting doing presumably 
nothing, and taking a long time to load applications or boot up.
 I replaced the old Mac mini with a new Mac mini, and have been very 
happy with it.
 My new mini has the i7 processor, with an excessive amount of RAM, and 
I went with the 2TB SSD.  The performance is awesome, and I am very happy with 
it.  I think it will serve me well for a long time.
 While Apple has introduced a Mac mini with the M1 processor, they 
still offer the Intel minis, both the i5 and i7 models, minus the low-end i3 
configuration, at the same prices as before Tuesday’s introduction of the M1 
models.
 If you have been happy with your previous mini, this could be a good 
option for you to consider.
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 On Nov 12, 2020, at 18:42, Steve Matzura  
wrote:
 
 My 2012 Mac Mini is nearing the end of its natural life. It's already 
not possible to upgrade to Big Sur, but more than that, it now runs quite hot 
and acts squirelly after an hour or so of just sitting there doing nothing, 
then when I give it something to do, it really starts acting like a person 
would act who has a high temperature--gets sluggish, misses keystrokes, takes 
way too long to do things that took mere minutes, etc. Sometimes VoiceOver lags 
in both speech output and navigation ... it's time to think about a replacement.
 
 
 So, what's your recommendation? I'd prefer a Mini, but an all-in-one 
would

Re: How I can make Microsoft teams to be accessible with voice over?

['Kliph' via MacVisionaries]

1, Big Sur is fine.  Some have reported that dismissing notifications are hard, 
but I haven’t ran into this issue.  2nd, you can send from alias’s just fine 
from IOS, I have been doing it since IOS 10.  What you have to do is, double 
tap on the from field twice, the 1st time the VoiceOver cursor will jumpp back 
to the to field, just swipe back to the from field, double tap on the from 
address again, and then you will get a pop up of choices of email addresses to 
send from.  Also make sure that your alias is registered under your appleID as 
a contact point, if not it may not appear in the list of send from emails.  HTH

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> On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:03 AM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Jonathan.
> 
> Thanks so much about your explanation with to Teams.  I tried using it on the 
> Mac some time ago and didn’t like it.  It’s better on the I phone but still 
> kind of horrible.  I’ll keep your message.
> 
> I am not upgrading to Big Sur yet until it has got better.  I use to upgrade 
> straight away but I think I’ll wait until people report that it’s a bit 
> better than before.  I notice that on IOS you still can’t send emails if you 
> use an alias as I do if I am writing to lists.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 15 Nov 2020, at 14:43, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I use it quite often. Generally, it prefers you use the Microsoft keyboard 
>> shortcuts and not the VO ones. 
>> 
>> It sounds like you are not logged into the teams interface. There might be 
>> another window lurking around asking for your email and password. The Teams 
>> app is essentially a customized version of Google Chrome, and in fact you 
>> should be able to do everything in your web browser except perhaps getting 
>> notification dings when a new message arrives.
>> 
>> Here is a quick guide to teams that should help you get started.
>> Command-1 Activity viewer (not very useful)
>> command-2 chats  I spend most of my time here 
>> Command-3 Teams list This is a tree view that you can use up/down to 
>> navigate and return to open a list of channels in a team.
>> command-4 will bring up the outlook calendar if your teams is linked to 
>> exchange.
>> 
>> The other major keystroke is command-shift-F to take you to the filter entry 
>> field. Once you are there, you can either use arrow keys to review recent 
>> history or type in a partial name and find matches in conversations.
>>  
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2020, at 01:32, Steve Z. >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hi list!
 I would like to use Microsoft teams from my Mac. I downloaded And 
 installed it from the Microsoft web page. The problem is that when I open 
 the app, I get a blank screen. Like it’s not accessible with voiceover. Is 
 there anything I can do to make it accessible because I need it much?
>>> Thank you in advance
>>> Steve
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Column view in Finder on Bigsur and the Tab key.

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Hello,
Column view is my preferred Finder interface. In the past I used to use Right 
Arrow to expand a folder and Left Arrow to colllapse a folder. This no longer 
works in Bigsur.
However using Tab to expand a folder and Shift+Tab to collapse a folder works 
fine. I recall this is how Windows works. I prefer the Right Arrow and Left 
Arrow but can live with the Tab key approach.
Hope this helps others who have encountered this problem.
Best regards … Paul Hopewell

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Re: How I can make Microsoft teams to be accessible with voice over?

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Jonathan.

Thanks so much about your explanation with to Teams.  I tried using it on the 
Mac some time ago and didn’t like it.  It’s better on the I phone but still 
kind of horrible.  I’ll keep your message.

I am not upgrading to Big Sur yet until it has got better.  I use to upgrade 
straight away but I think I’ll wait until people report that it’s a bit better 
than before.  I notice that on IOS you still can’t send emails if you use an 
alias as I do if I am writing to lists.

Kawal.

> On 15 Nov 2020, at 14:43, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> Hello,
> 
> I use it quite often. Generally, it prefers you use the Microsoft keyboard 
> shortcuts and not the VO ones. 
> 
> It sounds like you are not logged into the teams interface. There might be 
> another window lurking around asking for your email and password. The Teams 
> app is essentially a customized version of Google Chrome, and in fact you 
> should be able to do everything in your web browser except perhaps getting 
> notification dings when a new message arrives.
> 
> Here is a quick guide to teams that should help you get started.
> Command-1 Activity viewer (not very useful)
> command-2 chats  I spend most of my time here 
> Command-3 Teams list This is a tree view that you can use up/down to navigate 
> and return to open a list of channels in a team.
> command-4 will bring up the outlook calendar if your teams is linked to 
> exchange.
> 
> The other major keystroke is command-shift-F to take you to the filter entry 
> field. Once you are there, you can either use arrow keys to review recent 
> history or type in a partial name and find matches in conversations.
>  
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2020, at 01:32, Steve Z. > > wrote:
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>>> Hi list!
>>> I would like to use Microsoft teams from my Mac. I downloaded And installed 
>>> it from the Microsoft web page. The problem is that when I open the app, I 
>>> get a blank screen. Like it’s not accessible with voiceover. Is there 
>>> anything I can do to make it accessible because I need it much?
>> Thank you in advance
>> Steve
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Re: How I can make Microsoft teams to be accessible with voice over?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,

I use it quite often. Generally, it prefers you use the Microsoft keyboard 
shortcuts and not the VO ones. 

It sounds like you are not logged into the teams interface. There might be 
another window lurking around asking for your email and password. The Teams app 
is essentially a customized version of Google Chrome, and in fact you should be 
able to do everything in your web browser except perhaps getting notification 
dings when a new message arrives.

Here is a quick guide to teams that should help you get started.
Command-1 Activity viewer (not very useful)
command-2 chats  I spend most of my time here 
Command-3 Teams list This is a tree view that you can use up/down to navigate 
and return to open a list of channels in a team.
command-4 will bring up the outlook calendar if your teams is linked to 
exchange.

The other major keystroke is command-shift-F to take you to the filter entry 
field. Once you are there, you can either use arrow keys to review recent 
history or type in a partial name and find matches in conversations.
 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Nov 15, 2020, at 01:32, Steve Z.  wrote:
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>> Hi list!
>> I would like to use Microsoft teams from my Mac. I downloaded And installed 
>> it from the Microsoft web page. The problem is that when I open the app, I 
>> get a blank screen. Like it’s not accessible with voiceover. Is there 
>> anything I can do to make it accessible because I need it much?
> Thank you in advance
> Steve
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Re: mac OS big sur: browsing save dialog boxes

[Jonathan Cohn]

Well, there is a bug in column list view where the standard arrow keys do not 
work to move left and right. As for your question I just created a folder in 
list view in the finder and focus went right to it. See if this was a single 
occurrence and perhaps if your view was different. 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Nov 15, 2020, at 07:46, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
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> Hi All,
> 
> I've noticed that now navigating the directory to save a file from mail or 
> safari or any other application is now not straight forward anymore.
> 
> I tried going through column list etc, but it doesn't behave as expected.
> 
> Also, I can't create new folders and rename it directly upon creation. Does 
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Re: mac OS big sur: why does it have to behave like I'm using an iPad

[Jonathan Cohn]

I'm not seeing this either. command-option-F still brings me to the search 
dialog, and just typing characters works fine when in the message list. Do you 
perhaps have quicknav turned on?

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



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> Hi All,
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> I've noticed that a lot of the usual operations I perform on my mac are now 
> requiring extra steps.
> 
> one such instance is when I look for a particular email, I have to now go to 
> the toolbar, go to search, and press on search. This behaviour is probably 
> good for ipads, but now it adds extra steps to the whole experience.
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> Using a mac is supposed to help streamline things, now it's taking longer.
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Re: mac OS big sur: web navigation using arrow keys only

[Jonathan Cohn]

 I haven't ben on a lot of sites since seeing this message, but I don't believe 
this is the case. Some sites do put in keyboard handlers that forget to allow 
default actions for keys they don't use perhaps you are running into that? 
There is an option in the web area of VoiceOver utility to have arrow keys 
always use the default VoiceOver method of going down a line in the web site. 
If you find you are using this function more than VO navigation, then perhaps 
you want to turn this on at least for a default activity. This would mean that 
custom dropdown menus and date pickers  where the web page developer used 
javascript key handlers to better navigate that control will not work.
Take Care,
Jonathan Cohn
  

> On Nov 15, 2020, at 07:49, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
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> Hi All,
> 
> Another issue I found now is that I can't navigate web pages by simple arrow 
> up or down keys. This used to be an extremely useful way of moving around 
> pages, especially when it comes to tutorials, scientific articles or others.
> 
> is there some setting in the VO preferences which allow me to get this 
> behavior back?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> yuma 
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mac OS big sur: web navigation using arrow keys only

[Yuma Decaux]

Hi All,

Another issue I found now is that I can't navigate web pages by simple arrow up 
or down keys. This used to be an extremely useful way of moving around pages, 
especially when it comes to tutorials, scientific articles or others.

is there some setting in the VO preferences which allow me to get this behavior 
back?

Thanks,

yuma 

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mac OS big sur: why does it have to behave like I'm using an iPad

[Yuma Decaux]

Hi All,

I've noticed that a lot of the usual operations I perform on my mac are now 
requiring extra steps.

one such instance is when I look for a particular email, I have to now go to 
the toolbar, go to search, and press on search. This behaviour is probably good 
for ipads, but now it adds extra steps to the whole experience.

Using a mac is supposed to help streamline things, now it's taking longer.


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mac OS big sur: browsing save dialog boxes

[Yuma Decaux]

Hi All,

I've noticed that now navigating the directory to save a file from mail or 
safari or any other application is now not straight forward anymore.

I tried going through column list etc, but it doesn't behave as expected.

Also, I can't create new folders and rename it directly upon creation. Does 
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mac OS big sur: mail inbox names

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Hi All,

Has anyone been able to change settings to get the inbox names back?

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Re: Request for a tutorial about pages

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On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 3:56 PM Sight Shots  wrote:

> Sure!
> I can help you learn how to work in pages!
> My pleasure!
> In the next email I would send you some tips and tricks and even my
> tutorial and course.
> Thank you for asking!
> Wait for my email I would help you soon!
> Have a great day!
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> On 11/11/20, 'Andy Logue' via MacVisionaries
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> > I've just posted a message on this list about tutorials.   so Read my
> > message and you'll find a rather good tutorial from Janet iberge.
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> > Very best wishes.
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> > Andy
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "muhammad babar Shahzad" 
> > To: 
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> > Subject: Request for a tutorial about pages
> >
> >
> >> Hello Everyone,
> >> As the subject states, I have to complete university assignments for
> which
> >>
> >> I would like to switch over to pages on my MacBook. Could you please
> share
> >>
> >> any tips, tricks or a complete tutorial about pages.
> >> Thanks,
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hello:
I am also interested in learning pages. I would greatly appreciate tips,
tricks; and a tutorial. Looking forward to hearing from you.

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Option key problem solved!

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

Just to wrap up this thread, I got the option key issue sorted out. Somehow, 
and I have no idea how, the keyboard input got switched to Unicode Hex. I 
switched it back to US, and now the option key is working as it should. Phew!

Thanks to all of you who tried to help with this.
Cheers,
Donna

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