date:20201228

I like Alex, and sort of like Daniel sometimes, but are there additional
voices for purchase or free? Just wondering. I like Fred's voice, but he
doesn't speak clearly. haha.

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Re: Finereader or docuscan.

2020-12-28 Thread michael dailey

Hi,

I am also looking fora scanner app for my mac.  Did you ever get a response to 
your question?  I never saw anythig.

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> On Dec 17, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> I am thinking of buying a Christmas present to myself.
> I would like to have one good scanner app on my Mac.
> But what scanner app is the better of Docuscan or FineReader?
> FineReader is more expensive but you need to register to Serotek in order to 
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> Any thoughts?
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Re: Finereader or docuscan.

  I thought FineReader Pro was $99 and DocuScan Plus was $299? Did that change?

   Here is the simple comparison. FineReader Pro is fantastic and does a great 
job. DocuScan Plus is also a great OCR app and is specifically developed for 
blind users. You can’t go wrong with either, but DocuScan’s interface is a bit 
more straight forward through the scanning steps.


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> On Dec 28, 2020, at 9:57 AM, michael dailey  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am also looking fora scanner app for my mac.  Did you ever get a response 
> to your question?  I never saw anythig.
> 
> Mike Dailey
> mpd...@gmail.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I am thinking of buying a Christmas present to myself.
>> I would like to have one good scanner app on my Mac.
>> But what scanner app is the better of Docuscan or FineReader?
>> FineReader is more expensive but you need to register to Serotek in order to 
>> get DocuScan to work.
>> Any thoughts?
>> /A
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Re: additional voices?

There are approximately, 285 voices that are available as downloads from Apple. 
If you pick the name of the Voice in the Speech category of VoiceOver utility, 
and go to the last item in the pop-up list this will be "customize".
Pressing this brings up a dialog with a table of voices. Each voice has a 
checkbox next to it to determine if if it will be enabled for use in VoiceOver. 
After the list of voices is a play, cancel, and a OK button. The Play button 
lets you hear a sample of the selected voice. The OK button accepts any changes 
and requests System Utility to download the new voices the next time it checks 
for updates.

Best wishes,

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> On Dec 28, 2020, at 09:53, Chris Westbrook  wrote:
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> I like Alex, and sort of like Daniel sometimes, but are there additional 
> voices for purchase or free? Just wondering. I like Fred's voice, but he 
> doesn't speak clearly. haha. 
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Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?

2020-12-28 Thread 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries

John,

Thanks, but just to make sure I understand, should I do these steps after doing 
a VO+O to get into the notification area, or as soon as the call comes through 
do it right where the VO focus is at?

Eileen

From: John Panarese 
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Subject: Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?

  VO-command-space on the notifications and VO-down arrow down the options. You 
can then VO-spacebar. 



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  On Dec 27, 2020, at 7:35 PM, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
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  Hello All,

  Since I updated to Big Sur on my 2014 Mac Book Pro, I have not been able to 
answer incoming Face Time calls on the computer. I know that VO+O takes me to 
the notification center, but I am unsure what to do to try and find the 
answer/accept button on incoming calls. I am able to place out-going with Face 
Time, however.

  Does any one else have this problem and know the solution? And, second, is it 
a bug or just my problem with not knowing what to do?

  I called Apple Accessibility to ask for some assistance and I was told that I 
really should not update as soon as the OS updates come out, but rather wait a 
year or even two. It used to be so simple to either swipe on the track pad or 
VO+ Left/right-arrow to the needed button.

  Seems to me it has something to do with accessing the notifications since I 
could not even get a screen sharing session going with their tech support. 

  Thanks for any pointers in the proper direction.

  Eileen

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Re: Want to Clean Up an Anti-Virus App

Well, the command "killall" is a shell script that essentially does a ps and 
pipes the results through a few other commands. There is a reasonable  chance 
though that Launchd would then restart it. 

The launchctl command can be used to discover and start  stop and disable 
Launch daemons.
To list just run 
launchctl list 
Probably the rest is best to discover on web pages.
Also, I suggest using a programm like app cleaner,  Clean My Mac or TInkertool 
System .
AppCleaner is entirely free, and only does Finding related files to an 
application. You can open it ask it to open an application file, and then it 
will list all the associated support files. You can examine then or just click 
the erase button at the bottom.
The other tools I mention have some cost involved and can do other utilities to 
help unbreak a Computer.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

> On Dec 28, 2020, at 07:59, Bill Gallik  wrote:
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> disillusioned with to the point that I installed MalWare Bytes to replace it. 
>  I’ve been able to “unschedule” the original app so that MalWare Bytes does 
> all the scheduled.  But I am not able to simply delete the app from the 
> Applications folder; when I try to do so I get an error message that the 
> program is running and cannot be removed.
> 
> Short of opening the Terminal app, executing a “ps -a” and “kill -9” from the 
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Re: Finereader or docuscan.

2020-12-28 Thread michael dailey

Do either of these applications work like OpenBook on a Windows machine?

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> On Dec 28, 2020, at 10:04 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
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>   I thought FineReader Pro was $99 and DocuScan Plus was $299? Did that 
> change?
> 
>Here is the simple comparison. FineReader Pro is fantastic and does a 
> great job. DocuScan Plus is also a great OCR app and is specifically 
> developed for blind users. You can’t go wrong with either, but DocuScan’s 
> interface is a bit more straight forward through the scanning steps.
> 
> 
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>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 9:57 AM, michael dailey > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am also looking fora scanner app for my mac.  Did you ever get a response 
>> to your question?  I never saw anything.
>> 
>> Mike Dailey
>> mpd...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I am thinking of buying a Christmas present to myself.
>>> I would like to have one good scanner app on my Mac.
>>> But what scanner app is the better of Docuscan or FineReader?
>>> FineReader is more expensive but you need to register to Serotek in order 
>>> to get DocuScan to work.
>>> Any thoughts?
>>> /A
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Re: SSL Certificate Madness (Rant)

2020-12-28 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries

Hi All:

This is a note of thanks to the several folks who offered suggestions
for resolving my frustration with Apple Mail. I'm not sure who's
suggestion did the magic, but the issue is now seemingly well resolved.
Sending and recieving mail is working as expected.

As I say, I'm not sure what the exact trigger was that caused my account
to update its SSL data. I rather think accessing my domain web page with
Safari may have actually been that trigger.


In any case this is probably worth a bug report should anyone know where
to file that. Details showed that OS X was aware the old cert had been
revoked, but that didn't seem to be enough to trigger an attempt to check for a 
newer cert as
it should have.

Best,

Janina

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> 
> Yes, I need to spout off. If you don't care, stop reading!
> 
> I generally hold my Macs in high regard. But, at times they're downright
> stupid.
> 
> I have a new SSL server certificate on my rednote.net server. It is
> correctly setup, and Linux validation tools find it fully acceptable.
> 
> Thunderbird has no problem using it.
> 
> Android has no problem using it.
> 
> Both of my Macs are stumped. They're still hanging on to the old
> certificate for dear life. If I show details, I can clearly see the old
> certificate. My Mac informs me it's been revoked. No kidding, Sherlock?
> 
> Nor is it sufficient to delete the Internet Account / Mail identity and
> create a new one, because the old certificate is buried in the tangle of
> authentications that's in the Utilities folder, in the Keychain app.
> 
> Growl. I want to bite someone's nose off.
> 
>  
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> 
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Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?

  If the focus is on the window, you should be able to VO-arrow to the, accept, 
button and then VO-space. If you have to use the notification center to answer, 
then use the approach I mentioned before. Usually, for me, the VoiceOver focus 
is right in the FaceTime call window and I just have to navigate to the, 
accept, button.


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> On Dec 28, 2020, at 11:40 AM, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> John,
>  
> Thanks, but just to make sure I understand, should I do these steps after 
> doing a VO+O to get into the notification area, or as soon as the call comes 
> through do it right where the VO focus is at?
>  
> Eileen
>  
> From: John Panarese <>
> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 8:07 PM
> To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries <>
> Subject: Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?
>  
>   VO-command-space on the notifications and VO-down arrow down the options. 
> You can then VO-spacebar.
>  
>  
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On Dec 27, 2020, at 7:35 PM, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
>> > wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> Hello All,
>>  
>> Since I updated to Big Sur on my 2014 Mac Book Pro, I have not been able to 
>> answer incoming Face Time calls on the computer. I know that VO+O takes me 
>> to the notification center, but I am unsure what to do to try and find the 
>> answer/accept button on incoming calls. I am able to place out-going with 
>> Face Time, however.
>>  
>> Does any one else have this problem and know the solution? And, second, is 
>> it a bug or just my problem with not knowing what to do?
>>  
>> I called Apple Accessibility to ask for some assistance and I was told that 
>> I really should not update as soon as the OS updates come out, but rather 
>> wait a year or even two. It used to be so simple to either swipe on the 
>> track pad or VO+ Left/right-arrow to the needed button.
>>  
>> Seems to me it has something to do with accessing the notifications since I 
>> could not even get a screen sharing session going with their tech support.
>>  
>> Thanks for any pointers in the proper direction.
>>  
>> Eileen
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Re: Finereader or docuscan.

   DocuScan is more of a blind friendly interface, but both work like OpenBook 
or K1000 in Windows.


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> On Dec 28, 2020, at 12:10 PM, michael dailey  wrote:
> 
> Do either of these applications work like OpenBook on a Windows machine?
> 
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>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 10:04 AM, John Panarese > > wrote:
>> 
>>   I thought FineReader Pro was $99 and DocuScan Plus was $299? Did that 
>> change?
>> 
>>Here is the simple comparison. FineReader Pro is fantastic and does a 
>> great job. DocuScan Plus is also a great OCR app and is specifically 
>> developed for blind users. You can’t go wrong with either, but DocuScan’s 
>> interface is a bit more straight forward through the scanning steps.
>> 
>> 
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>>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 9:57 AM, michael dailey >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I am also looking fora scanner app for my mac.  Did you ever get a response 
>>> to your question?  I never saw anything.
>>> 
>>> Mike Dailey
>>> mpd...@gmail.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 17, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Anders Holmberg >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi!
 I am thinking of buying a Christmas present to myself.
 I would like to have one good scanner app on my Mac.
 But what scanner app is the better of Docuscan or FineReader?
 FineReader is more expensive but you need to register to Serotek in order 
 to get DocuScan to work.
 Any thoughts?
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Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?

2020-12-28 Thread Herbie Allen

Ever since updating to Big Sur, my VO focus has  never been in focus for 
FaceTime calls.


> On Dec 28, 2020, at 12:01, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   If the focus is on the window, you should be able to VO-arrow to the, 
> accept, button and then VO-space. If you have to use the notification center 
> to answer, then use the approach I mentioned before. Usually, for me, the 
> VoiceOver focus is right in the FaceTime call window and I just have to 
> navigate to the, accept, button.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 11:40 AM, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> John,
>>  
>> Thanks, but just to make sure I understand, should I do these steps after 
>> doing a VO+O to get into the notification area, or as soon as the call comes 
>> through do it right where the VO focus is at?
>>  
>> Eileen
>>  
>> From: John Panarese <>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 8:07 PM
>> To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries <>
>> Subject: Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?
>>  
>>   VO-command-space on the notifications and VO-down arrow down the options. 
>> You can then VO-spacebar.
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
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>>> On Dec 27, 2020, at 7:35 PM, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
>>> > wrote:
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Hello All,
>>>  
>>> Since I updated to Big Sur on my 2014 Mac Book Pro, I have not been able to 
>>> answer incoming Face Time calls on the computer. I know that VO+O takes me 
>>> to the notification center, but I am unsure what to do to try and find the 
>>> answer/accept button on incoming calls. I am able to place out-going with 
>>> Face Time, however.
>>>  
>>> Does any one else have this problem and know the solution? And, second, is 
>>> it a bug or just my problem with not knowing what to do?
>>>  
>>> I called Apple Accessibility to ask for some assistance and I was told that 
>>> I really should not update as soon as the OS updates come out, but rather 
>>> wait a year or even two. It used to be so simple to either swipe on the 
>>> track pad or VO+ Left/right-arrow to the needed button.
>>>  
>>> Seems to me it has something to do with accessing the notifications since I 
>>> could not even get a screen sharing session going with their tech support.
>>>  
>>> Thanks for any pointers in the proper direction.
>>>  
>>> Eileen
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Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?

   It’s hit or miss. I’m not sure if it’s based on what you are doing at the 
moment, but sometimes, the focus is in the window for me, sometimes it’s not. I 
haven’t paid enough attention yet to figure out that mystery yet.

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> On Dec 28, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> Ever since updating to Big Sur, my VO focus has  never been in focus for 
> FaceTime calls.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 12:01, John Panarese > > wrote:
>> 
>>   If the focus is on the window, you should be able to VO-arrow to the, 
>> accept, button and then VO-space. If you have to use the notification center 
>> to answer, then use the approach I mentioned before. Usually, for me, the 
>> VoiceOver focus is right in the FaceTime call window and I just have to 
>> navigate to the, accept, button.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
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>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 11:40 AM, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> John,
>>>  
>>> Thanks, but just to make sure I understand, should I do these steps after 
>>> doing a VO+O to get into the notification area, or as soon as the call 
>>> comes through do it right where the VO focus is at?
>>>  
>>> Eileen
>>>  
>>> From: John Panarese <>
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 8:07 PM
>>> To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries <>
>>> Subject: Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?
>>>  
>>>   VO-command-space on the notifications and VO-down arrow down the options. 
>>> You can then VO-spacebar.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
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>>> 
 On Dec 27, 2020, at 7:35 PM, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
 > wrote:

 Hello All,

 Since I updated to Big Sur on my 2014 Mac Book Pro, I have not been able 
 to answer incoming Face Time calls on the computer. I know that VO+O takes 
 me to the notification center, but I am unsure what to do to try and find 
 the answer/accept button on incoming calls. I am able to place out-going 
 with Face Time, however.

 Does any one else have this problem and know the solution? And, second, is 
 it a bug or just my problem with not knowing what to do?

 I called Apple Accessibility to ask for some assistance and I was told 
 that I really should not update as soon as the OS updates come out, but 
 rather wait a year or even two. It used to be so simple to either swipe on 
 the track pad or VO+ Left/right-arrow to the needed button.

 Seems to me it has something to do with accessing the notifications since 
 I could not even get a screen sharing session going with their tech 
 support.

 Thanks for any pointers in the proper direction.

 Eileen

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Re: additional voices?

I am really confused, because the help system says the same thing, but in
voiceover utility all I ihave is language and mute speech. No voice
selector and no customize. Not sure where I am going wrong. Is this
something to do with the new macbook air and the m

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

> There are approximately, 285 voices that are available as downloads from
> Apple. If you pick the name of the Voice in the Speech category of
> VoiceOver utility, and go to the last item in the pop-up list this will be
> "customize".
> Pressing this brings up a dialog with a table of voices. Each voice has a
> checkbox next to it to determine if if it will be enabled for use in
> VoiceOver. After the list of voices is a play, cancel, and a OK button. The
> Play button lets you hear a sample of the selected voice. The OK button
> accepts any changes and requests System Utility to download the new voices
> the next time it checks for updates.
>
> Best wishes,
>
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> On Dec 28, 2020, at 09:53, Chris Westbrook  wrote:
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> I like Alex, and sort of like Daniel sometimes, but are there additional
> voices for purchase or free? Just wondering. I like Fred's voice, but he
> doesn't speak clearly. haha.
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Re: additional voices?

I meant to say is this something to do with the macbook air and the m1
chip? Probably so.

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 1:16 PM Chris Westbrook 
wrote:

> I am really confused, because the help system says the same thing, but in
> voiceover utility all I ihave is language and mute speech. No voice
> selector and no customize. Not sure where I am going wrong. Is this
> something to do with the new macbook air and the m
>
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM Jonathan Cohn 
> wrote:
>
>> There are approximately, 285 voices that are available as downloads from
>> Apple. If you pick the name of the Voice in the Speech category of
>> VoiceOver utility, and go to the last item in the pop-up list this will be
>> "customize".
>> Pressing this brings up a dialog with a table of voices. Each voice has a
>> checkbox next to it to determine if if it will be enabled for use in
>> VoiceOver. After the list of voices is a play, cancel, and a OK button. The
>> Play button lets you hear a sample of the selected voice. The OK button
>> accepts any changes and requests System Utility to download the new voices
>> the next time it checks for updates.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Jonathan Cohn
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 09:53, Chris Westbrook  wrote:
>>
>> I like Alex, and sort of like Daniel sometimes, but are there additional
>> voices for purchase or free? Just wondering. I like Fred's voice, but he
>> doesn't speak clearly. haha.
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Re: additional voices?

2020-12-28 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

They're available on iOS, so one would expect them to be available on M1
Mac systems too. I am yet to make the hardware upgrade to the new
platform, so I can't check.

On 12/28/20 1:20 PM, Chris Westbrook wrote:
I meant to say is this something to do with the macbook air and the m1
chip? Probably so.

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 1:16 PM Chris Westbrook > wrote:

I am really confused, because the help system says the same thing,
but in voiceover utility all I ihave is language and mute speech.
No voice selector and no customize. Not sure where I am going
wrong. Is this something to do with the new macbook air and the m

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There are approximately, 285 voices that are available as
downloads from Apple. If you pick the name of the Voice in the
Speech category of VoiceOver utility, and go to the last item
in the pop-up list this will be "customize".
Pressing this brings up a dialog with a table of voices. Each
voice has a checkbox next to it to determine if if it will be
enabled for use in VoiceOver. After the list of voices is a
play, cancel, and a OK button. The Play button lets you hear a
sample of the selected voice. The OK button accepts any
changes and requests System Utility to download the new voices
the next time it checks for updates.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

On Dec 28, 2020, at 09:53, Chris Westbrook
mailto:westbch...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I like Alex, and sort of like Daniel sometimes, but are there
additional voices for purchase or free? Just wondering. I
like Fred's voice, but he doesn't speak clearly. haha.

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Re: Finereader or docuscan.

2020-12-28 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

When last I looked, FineReader for Mac hadn't been updated for a long
time. This naturally prompts the question of whether they're still
developing it. I had contemplated making a purchase, but decided not to
for that reason.

On 12/28/20 10:04 AM, John Panarese wrote:
I thought FineReader Pro was $99 and DocuScan Plus was $299? Did
that change?

Here is the simple comparison. FineReader Pro is fantastic and does
a great job. DocuScan Plus is also a great OCR app and is specifically
developed for blind users. You can’t go wrong with either, but
DocuScan’s interface is a bit more straight forward through the
scanning steps.

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On Dec 28, 2020, at 9:57 AM, michael dailey > wrote:

Hi,

I am also looking fora scanner app for my mac. Did you ever get a
response to your question? I never saw anythig.

Mike Dailey
mpd...@gmail.com

On Dec 17, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Anders Holmberg > wrote:

Hi!
I am thinking of buying a Christmas present to myself.
I would like to have one good scanner app on my Mac.
But what scanner app is the better of Docuscan or FineReader?
FineReader is more expensive but you need to register to Serotek in
order to get DocuScan to work.

Any thoughts?
/A

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Re: Finereader or docuscan.

  I don’t know when it was last updated, but it works with Big Sur and was 
updated to do so. I don’t know how the software compares to other ones with OCR 
accuracy, but it’s always gotten the job done for me. I do prefer DocuScan Plus 
for most taks, though.


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> On Dec 28, 2020, at 1:37 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> When last I looked, FineReader for Mac hadn't been updated for a long time. 
> This naturally prompts the question of whether they're still developing it. I 
> had contemplated making a purchase, but decided not to for that reason.
> 
> On 12/28/20 10:04 AM, John Panarese wrote:
>>   I thought FineReader Pro was $99 and DocuScan Plus was $299? Did that 
>> change?
>> 
>>Here is the simple comparison. FineReader Pro is fantastic and does a 
>> great job. DocuScan Plus is also a great OCR app and is specifically 
>> developed for blind users. You can’t go wrong with either, but DocuScan’s 
>> interface is a bit more straight forward through the scanning steps.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
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>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
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>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 9:57 AM, michael dailey >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I am also looking fora scanner app for my mac.  Did you ever get a response 
>>> to your question?  I never saw anythig.
>>> 
>>> Mike Dailey
>>> mpd...@gmail.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 17, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Anders Holmberg >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi!
 I am thinking of buying a Christmas present to myself.
 I would like to have one good scanner app on my Mac.
 But what scanner app is the better of Docuscan or FineReader?
 FineReader is more expensive but you need to register to Serotek in order 
 to get DocuScan to work.
 Any thoughts?
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Re: Setting up "All Inboxes" on IOS

Hello,
I believe you can find an all junk folder if you click the edit button at the 
beginning of the list of folders.
It will show up in your list if VoiceOver says selected when you swipe to it.

Best wishes,

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> Hello,
> I am running IOS 14.3 on my iPhone SE 2020. 
> I have 3 Email accounts setup on my iPhone. In the distant past on an earlier 
> IOS release I setup mail boxes like All Inbox, All Sent, All Archive, All 
> Drafts and All Rubbish which  merges the corresponding mail boxes in each of 
> my 3 accounts into a single virtual mail box. This is extremely useful. 
> The problem is that I cannot remember how I did this as I would like to 
> create an All Junk mail box. I have tried Google search for inspiration and 
> gotten nowhere.
> So can anyone remind me how to merge mail boxes from multiple accounts as per 
> the above. Note that the Mail in All Inbox also appears in the relevant 
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Re: additional voices?

I doubt it though I guess it is possible that the M1 chip Macs don't have all 
the Voices.
When you are in the voices area did you find:
Customized language list table No selection.

if you did then you need to interact with this table and then follow my 
instructions.

Best wishes,

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> On Dec 28, 2020, at 13:20, Chris Westbrook  wrote:
> 
> I meant to say is this something to do with the macbook air and the m1 chip? 
> Probably so.
> 
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 1:16 PM Chris Westbrook  > wrote:
> I am really confused, because the help system says the same thing, but in 
> voiceover utility all I ihave is language and mute speech. No voice selector 
> and no customize. Not sure where I am going wrong. Is this something to do 
> with the new macbook air and the m
> 
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
> There are approximately, 285 voices that are available as downloads from 
> Apple. If you pick the name of the Voice in the Speech category of VoiceOver 
> utility, and go to the last item in the pop-up list this will be "customize".
> Pressing this brings up a dialog with a table of voices. Each voice has a 
> checkbox next to it to determine if if it will be enabled for use in 
> VoiceOver. After the list of voices is a play, cancel, and a OK button. The 
> Play button lets you hear a sample of the selected voice. The OK button 
> accepts any changes and requests System Utility to download the new voices 
> the next time it checks for updates.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
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> 
> 
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>> I like Alex, and sort of like Daniel sometimes, but are there additional 
>> voices for purchase or free? Just wondering. I like Fred's voice, but he 
>> doesn't speak clearly. haha. 
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mouse hovering

2020-12-28 Thread Lorie McCloud

a couple months ago we had a discussion on here about sites like Amazon that 
have ratings or advertizements that you can close but as soon as you do, the 
open again because the virtual mouse is hovering over them. this is in Safari 
on a Mac. somebody outlined instructions about how to change safari's behavior 
on such sites from the vo utility. I did this but when I upgraded to Catalina 
my settings seem to have gone away. I can't remember how to do it. can anybody 
remind me?

thanks.
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Re: Finereader or docuscan.

2020-12-28 Thread Anders Holmberg

Hi!
I hope they will work with the canon canoscan lide 400.
/A

> 28 dec. 2020 kl. 19:03 skrev John Panarese :
> 
>DocuScan is more of a blind friendly interface, but both work like 
> OpenBook or K1000 in Windows.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 12:10 PM, michael dailey > > wrote:
>> 
>> Do either of these applications work like OpenBook on a Windows machine?
>> 
>> Mike Dailey
>> 905 Live Oak St.
>> Beaufort, NC 28516-1722
>> 720-341-6427
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 10:04 AM, John Panarese >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>   I thought FineReader Pro was $99 and DocuScan Plus was $299? Did that 
>>> change?
>>> 
>>>Here is the simple comparison. FineReader Pro is fantastic and does a 
>>> great job. DocuScan Plus is also a great OCR app and is specifically 
>>> developed for blind users. You can’t go wrong with either, but DocuScan’s 
>>> interface is a bit more straight forward through the scanning steps.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
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>>> 
 On Dec 28, 2020, at 9:57 AM, michael dailey >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I am also looking fora scanner app for my mac.  Did you ever get a 
 response to your question?  I never saw anything.
 
 Mike Dailey
 mpd...@gmail.com 
 
 
 
 
 
> On Dec 17, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I am thinking of buying a Christmas present to myself.
> I would like to have one good scanner app on my Mac.
> But what scanner app is the better of Docuscan or FineReader?
> FineReader is more expensive but you need to register to Serotek in order 
> to get DocuScan to work.
> Any thoughts?
> /A
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Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?

2020-12-28 Thread Anders Holmberg

Hi!
If you have headphones connected to your Mac you can just press the answer 
button on your headphones.
/A

> 28 dec. 2020 kl. 19:14 skrev John Panarese :
> 
>It’s hit or miss. I’m not sure if it’s based on what you are doing at the 
> moment, but sometimes, the focus is in the window for me, sometimes it’s not. 
> I haven’t paid enough attention yet to figure out that mystery yet.
> 
> 
> Take Care
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>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Herbie Allen > > wrote:
>> 
>> Ever since updating to Big Sur, my VO focus has  never been in focus for 
>> FaceTime calls.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 12:01, John Panarese >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>   If the focus is on the window, you should be able to VO-arrow to the, 
>>> accept, button and then VO-space. If you have to use the notification 
>>> center to answer, then use the approach I mentioned before. Usually, for 
>>> me, the VoiceOver focus is right in the FaceTime call window and I just 
>>> have to navigate to the, accept, button.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
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>>> 
 On Dec 28, 2020, at 11:40 AM, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 John,
  
 Thanks, but just to make sure I understand, should I do these steps after 
 doing a VO+O to get into the notification area, or as soon as the call 
 comes through do it right where the VO focus is at?
  
 Eileen
  
 From: John Panarese <>
 Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 8:07 PM
 To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries <>
 Subject: Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?
  
   VO-command-space on the notifications and VO-down arrow down the 
 options. You can then VO-spacebar.
  
  
 
 Take Care
 
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> On Dec 27, 2020, at 7:35 PM, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
> > wrote:
>  
>  
> Hello All,
>  
> Since I updated to Big Sur on my 2014 Mac Book Pro, I have not been able 
> to answer incoming Face Time calls on the computer. I know that VO+O 
> takes me to the notification center, but I am unsure what to do to try 
> and find the answer/accept button on incoming calls. I am able to place 
> out-going with Face Time, however.
>  
> Does any one else have this problem and know the solution? And, second, 
> is it a bug or just my problem with not knowing what to do?
>  
> I called Apple Accessibility to ask for some assistance and I was told 
> that I really should not update as soon as the OS updates come out, but 
> rather wait a year or even two. It used to be so simple to either swipe 
> on the track pad or VO+ Left/right-arrow to the needed button.
>  
> Seems to me it has something to do with accessing the notifications since 
> I could not even get a screen sharing session going with their tech 
> support.
>  
> Thanks for any pointers in the proper direction.
>  
> Eileen
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Re: mouse hovering

See if this will help:

1.  Open the VoiceOver Utility, using VO + F8.
2.  From the Utility Categories table, select Navigation, or press CMD + 4.
3.  Navigate to Mouse Pointer, and select “Ignores VO Cursor from the combo box.

HTH.

- Brad -


On Dec 28, 2020, at 14:33, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

a couple months ago we had a discussion on here about sites like Amazon that 
have ratings or advertizements that you can close but as soon as you do, the 
open again because the virtual mouse is hovering over them. this is in Safari 
on a Mac. somebody outlined instructions about how to change safari's behavior 
on such sites from the vo utility. I did this but when I upgraded to Catalina 
my settings seem to have gone away. I can't remember how to do it. can anybody 
remind me?

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?

2020-12-28 Thread 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries

Thanks, but I use Face Time for a weekly music lesson that now has to be done 
virtually so I can’t use headphones. I will keep this in mind as a possibility 
once I dig up a pair of headphones that have such a buttone on them for other 
calls.

Eileen

From: Anders Holmberg 
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 3:40 PM
To: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?

Hi! 
If you have headphones connected to your Mac you can just press the answer 
button on your headphones.
/A

  28 dec. 2020 kl. 19:14 skrev John Panarese :

 It’s hit or miss. I’m not sure if it’s based on what you are doing at the 
moment, but sometimes, the focus is in the window for me, sometimes it’s not. I 
haven’t paid enough attention yet to figure out that mystery yet. 

  Take Care

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  Director
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On Dec 28, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:

Ever since updating to Big Sur, my VO focus has  never been in focus for 
FaceTime calls. 

  On Dec 28, 2020, at 12:01, John Panarese  wrote:

If the focus is on the window, you should be able to VO-arrow to the, 
accept, button and then VO-space. If you have to use the notification center to 
answer, then use the approach I mentioned before. Usually, for me, the 
VoiceOver focus is right in the FaceTime call window and I just have to 
navigate to the, accept, button. 

  Take Care

  John D. Panarese
  Director
  Mac for the Blind
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  Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

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On Dec 28, 2020, at 11:40 AM, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

John,

Thanks, but just to make sure I understand, should I do these steps 
after doing a VO+O to get into the notification area, or as soon as the call 
comes through do it right where the VO focus is at?

Eileen

From: John Panarese 
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 8:07 PM
To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?

  VO-command-space on the notifications and VO-down arrow down the 
options. You can then VO-spacebar. 

Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
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  On Dec 27, 2020, at 7:35 PM, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

  Hello All,

  Since I updated to Big Sur on my 2014 Mac Book Pro, I have not been 
able to answer incoming Face Time calls on the computer. I know that VO+O takes 
me to the notification center, but I am unsure what to do to try and find the 
answer/accept button on incoming calls. I am able to place out-going with Face 
Time, however.

  Does any one else have this problem and know the solution? And, 
second, is it a bug or just my problem with not knowing what to do?

  I called Apple Accessibility to ask for some assistance and I was 
told that I really should not update as soon as the OS updates come out, but 
rather wait a year or even two. It used to be so simple to either swipe on the 
track pad or VO+ Left/right-arrow to the needed button.

  Seems to me it has something to do with accessing the notifications 
since I could not even get a screen sharing session going with their tech 
support. 

  Thanks for any pointers in the proper direction.

  Eileen

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Re: mouse hovering

2020-12-28 Thread Lorie McCloud

is there a way to put only certain websites in there so that Safari doesn't 
always behave that way?

> On Dec 28, 2020, at 2:50 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> See if this will help:
> 
> 1.  Open the VoiceOver Utility, using VO + F8.
> 2.  From the Utility Categories table, select Navigation, or press CMD + 4.
> 3.  Navigate to Mouse Pointer, and select “Ignores VO Cursor from the combo 
> box.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 28, 2020, at 14:33, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> a couple months ago we had a discussion on here about sites like Amazon that 
> have ratings or advertizements that you can close but as soon as you do, the 
> open again because the virtual mouse is hovering over them. this is in Safari 
> on a Mac. somebody outlined instructions about how to change safari's 
> behavior on such sites from the vo utility. I did this but when I upgraded to 
> Catalina my settings seem to have gone away. I can't remember how to do it. 
> can anybody remind me?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?

2020-12-28 Thread 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries

Okay, I won’t be using it until after the New year so will try it all out then. 
Thanks again.

Eileen

From: John Panarese 
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 1:14 PM
To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?

   It’s hit or miss. I’m not sure if it’s based on what you are doing at the 
moment, but sometimes, the focus is in the window for me, sometimes it’s not. I 
haven’t paid enough attention yet to figure out that mystery yet. 

Take Care

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  On Dec 28, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:

  Ever since updating to Big Sur, my VO focus has  never been in focus for 
FaceTime calls. 

On Dec 28, 2020, at 12:01, John Panarese  wrote:

  If the focus is on the window, you should be able to VO-arrow to the, 
accept, button and then VO-space. If you have to use the notification center to 
answer, then use the approach I mentioned before. Usually, for me, the 
VoiceOver focus is right in the FaceTime call window and I just have to 
navigate to the, accept, button. 

Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
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Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

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  On Dec 28, 2020, at 11:40 AM, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

  John,

  Thanks, but just to make sure I understand, should I do these steps after 
doing a VO+O to get into the notification area, or as soon as the call comes 
through do it right where the VO focus is at?

  Eileen

  From: John Panarese 
  Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 8:07 PM
  To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
  Subject: Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?

VO-command-space on the notifications and VO-down arrow down the 
options. You can then VO-spacebar. 

  Take Care

  John D. Panarese
  Director
  Mac for the Blind
  Tel, (631) 724-4479
  Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
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On Dec 27, 2020, at 7:35 PM, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hello All,

Since I updated to Big Sur on my 2014 Mac Book Pro, I have not been 
able to answer incoming Face Time calls on the computer. I know that VO+O takes 
me to the notification center, but I am unsure what to do to try and find the 
answer/accept button on incoming calls. I am able to place out-going with Face 
Time, however.

Does any one else have this problem and know the solution? And, second, 
is it a bug or just my problem with not knowing what to do?

I called Apple Accessibility to ask for some assistance and I was told 
that I really should not update as soon as the OS updates come out, but rather 
wait a year or even two. It used to be so simple to either swipe on the track 
pad or VO+ Left/right-arrow to the needed button.

Seems to me it has something to do with accessing the notifications 
since I could not even get a screen sharing session going with their tech 
support. 

Thanks for any pointers in the proper direction.

Eileen

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Re: mouse hovering

You can create a VoiceOver activity and specify a web address. I don't have 
confirmation that this works. You can also create a commander that does "Toggle 
VoiceOver Cursor Follows Mouse On or Off".

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 28, 2020, at 16:12, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> is there a way to put only certain websites in there so that Safari doesn't 
> always behave that way?
> 
>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 2:50 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> See if this will help:
>> 
>> 1.  Open the VoiceOver Utility, using VO + F8.
>> 2.  From the Utility Categories table, select Navigation, or press CMD + 4.
>> 3.  Navigate to Mouse Pointer, and select “Ignores VO Cursor from the combo 
>> box.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 14:33, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> a couple months ago we had a discussion on here about sites like Amazon that 
>> have ratings or advertizements that you can close but as soon as you do, the 
>> open again because the virtual mouse is hovering over them. this is in 
>> Safari on a Mac. somebody outlined instructions about how to change safari's 
>> behavior on such sites from the vo utility. I did this but when I upgraded 
>> to Catalina my settings seem to have gone away. I can't remember how to do 
>> it. can anybody remind me?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?

2020-12-28 Thread 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries

Hi Herbie,

As John describes in that message below, prior to the Big Sur update that is 
exactly how it worked for me – just and easy swipe or VO-left/right and press 
the accept button. Now, with the update to Big Sur there is no simple way to 
just navigate to the accept button when the call comes in.

Eileen
From: Herbie Allen 
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 1:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?

Ever since updating to Big Sur, my VO focus has  never been in focus for 
FaceTime calls. 



  On Dec 28, 2020, at 12:01, John Panarese  wrote:

If the focus is on the window, you should be able to VO-arrow to the, 
accept, button and then VO-space. If you have to use the notification center to 
answer, then use the approach I mentioned before. Usually, for me, the 
VoiceOver focus is right in the FaceTime call window and I just have to 
navigate to the, accept, button. 


  Take Care

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  Director
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On Dec 28, 2020, at 11:40 AM, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

John,

Thanks, but just to make sure I understand, should I do these steps after 
doing a VO+O to get into the notification area, or as soon as the call comes 
through do it right where the VO focus is at?

Eileen

From: John Panarese 
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 8:07 PM
To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?

  VO-command-space on the notifications and VO-down arrow down the options. 
You can then VO-spacebar. 



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  On Dec 27, 2020, at 7:35 PM, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
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  Hello All,

  Since I updated to Big Sur on my 2014 Mac Book Pro, I have not been able 
to answer incoming Face Time calls on the computer. I know that VO+O takes me 
to the notification center, but I am unsure what to do to try and find the 
answer/accept button on incoming calls. I am able to place out-going with Face 
Time, however.

  Does any one else have this problem and know the solution? And, second, 
is it a bug or just my problem with not knowing what to do?

  I called Apple Accessibility to ask for some assistance and I was told 
that I really should not update as soon as the OS updates come out, but rather 
wait a year or even two. It used to be so simple to either swipe on the track 
pad or VO+ Left/right-arrow to the needed button.

  Seems to me it has something to do with accessing the notifications since 
I could not even get a screen sharing session going with their tech support. 

  Thanks for any pointers in the proper direction.

  Eileen

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Re: mouse hovering

2020-12-28 Thread Lorie McCloud

I think what we did before was to create an activity and it seemed to work 
fine. the toggle command might work better though because it could be used on 
any website I happened to encounter that behaved like that.

> On Dec 28, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> You can create a VoiceOver activity and specify a web address. I don't have 
> confirmation that this works. You can also create a commander that does 
> "Toggle VoiceOver Cursor Follows Mouse On or Off".
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 16:12, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> is there a way to put only certain websites in there so that Safari doesn't 
>> always behave that way?
>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 2:50 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> See if this will help:
>>> 
>>> 1.  Open the VoiceOver Utility, using VO + F8.
>>> 2.  From the Utility Categories table, select Navigation, or press CMD + 4.
>>> 3.  Navigate to Mouse Pointer, and select “Ignores VO Cursor from the combo 
>>> box.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 14:33, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> a couple months ago we had a discussion on here about sites like Amazon 
>>> that have ratings or advertizements that you can close but as soon as you 
>>> do, the open again because the virtual mouse is hovering over them. this is 
>>> in Safari on a Mac. somebody outlined instructions about how to change 
>>> safari's behavior on such sites from the vo utility. I did this but when I 
>>> upgraded to Catalina my settings seem to have gone away. I can't remember 
>>> how to do it. can anybody remind me?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: mouse hovering

No, this setting has nothing to do with Safari or any browser.
It is a VoiceOver setting that affects VO navigation globally, in all 
applications

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On Dec 28, 2020, at 15:12, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

is there a way to put only certain websites in there so that Safari doesn't 
always behave that way?

> On Dec 28, 2020, at 2:50 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> See if this will help:
> 
> 1.  Open the VoiceOver Utility, using VO + F8.
> 2.  From the Utility Categories table, select Navigation, or press CMD + 4.
> 3.  Navigate to Mouse Pointer, and select “Ignores VO Cursor from the combo 
> box.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 28, 2020, at 14:33, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> a couple months ago we had a discussion on here about sites like Amazon that 
> have ratings or advertizements that you can close but as soon as you do, the 
> open again because the virtual mouse is hovering over them. this is in Safari 
> on a Mac. somebody outlined instructions about how to change safari's 
> behavior on such sites from the vo utility. I did this but when I upgraded to 
> Catalina my settings seem to have gone away. I can't remember how to do it. 
> can anybody remind me?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: additional voices?

2020-12-28 Thread Karen Lewellen

Jonathan,
Do you know if any details about each voice is provided..anywhere?
Its characteristics, frequency ranges, etc.?
Surely there must be some reason that makes each voice distinctive from
each other besides the name.

That such a number exists is honestly astonishing.
Karen

On Mon, 28 Dec 2020, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

There are approximately, 285 voices that are available as downloads from Apple. If you
pick the name of the Voice in the Speech category of VoiceOver utility, and go to the
last item in the pop-up list this will be "customize".
Pressing this brings up a dialog with a table of voices. Each voice has a
checkbox next to it to determine if if it will be enabled for use in VoiceOver.
After the list of voices is a play, cancel, and a OK button. The Play button
lets you hear a sample of the selected voice. The OK button accepts any changes
and requests System Utility to download the new voices the next time it checks
for updates.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

On Dec 28, 2020, at 09:53, Chris Westbrook wrote:

I like Alex, and sort of like Daniel sometimes, but are there additional voices
for purchase or free? Just wondering. I like Fred's voice, but he doesn't speak
clearly. haha.

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Adding Items to the Dock Accessibly

2020-12-28 Thread Steve Matzura

This was discussed here, and I thought I saved the message, but since I 
can't find it, it appears I really didn't save anything. So, since 
Shift+VO+M doesn't work, what does?



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Re: Adding Items to the Dock Accessibly

2020-12-28 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries

Ctrl-Sift-Command-T (with the VO cursor on the item to be added to the dock).https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236 On 12/28/20, 17:17, "macvisionaries@googlegroups.com"  wrote:This was discussed here, and I thought I saved the message, but since I can't find it, it appears I really didn't save anything. So, since Shift+VO+M doesn't work, what does?  TIA -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/d1373343-7146-dd45-b1da-9e439f470b2a%40noisynotes.com. 



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Re: additional voices?

Thanks Jonathan. I found them, I was just not vo-right arrowing over to the
voices when I interacted with the table. Oops. Lesson learned.

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 5:03 PM Karen Lewellen 
wrote:

>   Jonathan,
> Do you know if any details about each voice is provided..anywhere?
> Its characteristics, frequency ranges, etc.?
> Surely there must be some reason that makes each voice distinctive from
> each   other besides the name.
> That such a number exists is honestly astonishing.
> Karen
>
>
>
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2020, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>
> > There are approximately, 285 voices that are available as downloads from
> Apple. If you pick the name of the Voice in the Speech category of
> VoiceOver utility, and go to the last item in the pop-up list this will be
> "customize".
> > Pressing this brings up a dialog with a table of voices. Each voice has
> a checkbox next to it to determine if if it will be enabled for use in
> VoiceOver. After the list of voices is a play, cancel, and a OK button. The
> Play button lets you hear a sample of the selected voice. The OK button
> accepts any changes and requests System Utility to download the new voices
> the next time it checks for updates.
> >
> >   Best wishes,
> >
> > Jonathan Cohn
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 28, 2020, at 09:53, Chris Westbrook 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I like Alex, and sort of like Daniel sometimes, but are there
> additional voices for purchase or free? Just wondering. I like Fred's
> voice, but he doesn't speak clearly. haha.
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Re: Adding Items to the Dock Accessibly

You can easily add items to the Dock “accessibly", by selecting the item you 
would like to add to the Dock, and then use the keyboard command CTRL + CMD + 
Shift + T.
Once you have added an item to the Dock, you can rearrange Dock items using CMD 
+ Option + Left/Right arrow.

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On Dec 28, 2020, at 16:17, Steve Matzura  wrote:

This was discussed here, and I thought I saved the message, but since I can't 
find it, it appears I really didn't save anything. So, since Shift+VO+M doesn't 
work, what does?


TIA

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Re: Adding Items to the Dock Accessibly

2020-12-28 Thread Steve Matzura


Thank you. Page bookmarked.


On 12/28/2020 5:33 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Ctrl-Sift-Command-T (with the VO cursor on the item to be added to the 
dock).


https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236

On 12/28/20, 17:17, "macvisionaries@googlegroups.com" 
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This was discussed here, and I thought I saved the message, but since I

can't find it, it appears I really didn't save anything. So, since

Shift+VO+M doesn't work, what does?

TIA




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Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?

2020-12-28 Thread 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries

I have a similar questions for notifications on the Mac.

How do you get rid of notifications once you have them?  If I put my cursor on 
any, I get a bleep.  I get lots of bleeps when something isn’t working with Big 
Sur.

I hate messages on the Mac now as it’s not easy to delete the messages now and 
I wish that Apple didn’t change the way the messages were on the Mac.  I know 
this is unrelated but I had to say this as it’s stressful.

Kawal.

> On 28 Dec 2020, at 21:29, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Herbie,
>  
> As John describes in that message below, prior to the Big Sur update that is 
> exactly how it worked for me – just and easy swipe or VO-left/right and press 
> the accept button. Now, with the update to Big Sur there is no simple way to 
> just navigate to the accept button when the call comes in.
>  
> Eileen
> From: Herbie Allen <>
> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 1:13 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <>
> Subject: Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?
>  
> Ever since updating to Big Sur, my VO focus has  never been in focus for 
> FaceTime calls.
>  
> 
>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 12:01, John Panarese > wrote:
>>  
>>   If the focus is on the window, you should be able to VO-arrow to the, 
>> accept, button and then VO-space. If you have to use the notification center 
>> to answer, then use the approach I mentioned before. Usually, for me, the 
>> VoiceOver focus is right in the FaceTime call window and I just have to 
>> navigate to the, accept, button.
>>  
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <>
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 11:40 AM, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
>>> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> John,
>>>  
>>> Thanks, but just to make sure I understand, should I do these steps after 
>>> doing a VO+O to get into the notification area, or as soon as the call 
>>> comes through do it right where the VO focus is at?
>>>  
>>> Eileen
>>>  
>>> From: John Panarese <>
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 8:07 PM
>>> To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries <>
>>> Subject: Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?
>>>  
>>>   VO-command-space on the notifications and VO-down arrow down the options. 
>>> You can then VO-spacebar.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <>
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
>>> 
>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 27, 2020, at 7:35 PM, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
 > wrote:

 Hello All,

 Since I updated to Big Sur on my 2014 Mac Book Pro, I have not been able 
 to answer incoming Face Time calls on the computer. I know that VO+O takes 
 me to the notification center, but I am unsure what to do to try and find 
 the answer/accept button on incoming calls. I am able to place out-going 
 with Face Time, however.

 Does any one else have this problem and know the solution? And, second, is 
 it a bug or just my problem with not knowing what to do?

 I called Apple Accessibility to ask for some assistance and I was told 
 that I really should not update as soon as the OS updates come out, but 
 rather wait a year or even two. It used to be so simple to either swipe on 
 the track pad or VO+ Left/right-arrow to the needed button.

 Seems to me it has something to do with accessing the notifications since 
 I could not even get a screen sharing session going with their tech 
 support.

 Thanks for any pointers in the proper direction.

 Eileen

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Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls - dismissing notification in Big Sur

Try the following:
1.  With VO focus on a notification, press VO + CMD + Spacebar, to access the 
Notification Action Menu.
2.  Arrow up/down to the desired action, and press Enter.

HTH.

- Brad -

On Dec 28, 2020, at 17:02, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I have a similar questions for notifications on the Mac.

How do you get rid of notifications once you have them?  If I put my cursor on 
any, I get a bleep.  I get lots of bleeps when something isn’t working with Big 
Sur.

I hate messages on the Mac now as it’s not easy to delete the messages now and 
I wish that Apple didn’t change the way the messages were on the Mac.  I know 
this is unrelated but I had to say this as it’s stressful.

Kawal.

> On 28 Dec 2020, at 21:29, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Herbie,
>  
> As John describes in that message below, prior to the Big Sur update that is 
> exactly how it worked for me – just and easy swipe or VO-left/right and press 
> the accept button. Now, with the update to Big Sur there is no simple way to 
> just navigate to the accept button when the call comes in.
>  
> Eileen
> From: Herbie Allen <>
> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 1:13 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <>
> Subject: Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?
>  
> Ever since updating to Big Sur, my VO focus has  never been in focus for 
> FaceTime calls.
>  
> 
>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 12:01, John Panarese > wrote:
>>  
>>   If the focus is on the window, you should be able to VO-arrow to the, 
>> accept, button and then VO-space. If you have to use the notification center 
>> to answer, then use the approach I mentioned before. Usually, for me, the 
>> VoiceOver focus is right in the FaceTime call window and I just have to 
>> navigate to the, accept, button.
>>  
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <>
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 11:40 AM, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
>>> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> John,
>>>  
>>> Thanks, but just to make sure I understand, should I do these steps after 
>>> doing a VO+O to get into the notification area, or as soon as the call 
>>> comes through do it right where the VO focus is at?
>>>  
>>> Eileen
>>>  
>>> From: John Panarese <>
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 8:07 PM
>>> To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries <>
>>> Subject: Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?
>>>  
>>>   VO-command-space on the notifications and VO-down arrow down the options. 
>>> You can then VO-spacebar.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <>
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
>>> 
>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 27, 2020, at 7:35 PM, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
 > wrote:

 Hello All,

 Since I updated to Big Sur on my 2014 Mac Book Pro, I have not been able 
 to answer incoming Face Time calls on the computer. I know that VO+O takes 
 me to the notification center, but I am unsure what to do to try and find 
 the answer/accept button on incoming calls. I am able to place out-going 
 with Face Time, however.

 Does any one else have this problem and know the solution? And, second, is 
 it a bug or just my problem with not knowing what to do?

 I called Apple Accessibility to ask for some assistance and I was told 
 that I really should not update as soon as the OS updates come out, but 
 rather wait a year or even two. It used to be so simple to either swipe on 
 the track pad or VO+ Left/right-arrow to the needed button.

 Seems to me it has something to do with accessing the notifications since 
 I could not even get a screen sharing session going with their tech 
 support.

 Thanks for any pointers in the proper direction.

 Eileen

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I'm reading very long documents on my Mac?

2020-12-28 Thread maurice Mines

Hello, I find myself having to read a very lengthy document on my Mac, I've 
heard of several potential ways of doing this but none of them are working. So 
I'm looking for suggestions? I am using a 2020 MacBook Pro running Big Sur 
11.1. Add anyone found anything to be affective? My wordprocessing 
possibilities in terms of applications to read this document are Microsoft word 
but the Mac, or tax edit. Along time ago I had pages but I don't anymore. If 
this is the appropriate application to use to do this, where do I download it 
from? And has it been updated to run on the current operating system?

Two important notes, one my comments and questions above I am asking as a 
person. Not a representative of of the national Federation of the blind deaf 
blind division. I do however sit on the board and 85% of the emails that I sent 
from my computer are related to that, I am very much a volunteer and that's 
endeavor. Two the above text hats made it to the computer by means of apples I 
built in dictation software. So if there are errors above, they may be the 
result of the dictation process, Or action software. If there's something that 
you truly do not understand please reach out to me and asked me what my 
original intent may have band I will do my very best to help clear up any 
potential misunderstandings that may arise from the text. Thank you for reading 
this.
maurice Mines
m
aur...@maurice-amines.com

Maurice Mines, Board Member 
National Federation of the Blind Deaf-Blind Division 
Email: boa...@nfbdeaf-blind.org  
Website: www.nfbdeaf-blind.org  
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Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?

2020-12-28 Thread Herbie Allen

Messages is pretty easy, Select the conversation you want to delete and do VO 
Shift M for the context menu. You will then see the delete option. As for 
notifications, do VO O for the notification and widgets. Interact with 
notifications and VO right to the one you want, do VO shift space and you can 
select your option that you want to do.


> On Dec 28, 2020, at 17:02, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have a similar questions for notifications on the Mac.
> 
> How do you get rid of notifications once you have them?  If I put my cursor 
> on any, I get a bleep.  I get lots of bleeps when something isn’t working 
> with Big Sur.
> 
> I hate messages on the Mac now as it’s not easy to delete the messages now 
> and I wish that Apple didn’t change the way the messages were on the Mac.  I 
> know this is unrelated but I had to say this as it’s stressful.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 28 Dec 2020, at 21:29, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Herbie,
>>  
>> As John describes in that message below, prior to the Big Sur update that is 
>> exactly how it worked for me – just and easy swipe or VO-left/right and 
>> press the accept button. Now, with the update to Big Sur there is no simple 
>> way to just navigate to the accept button when the call comes in.
>>  
>> Eileen
>> From: Herbie Allen <>
>> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 1:13 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <>
>> Subject: Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?
>>  
>> Ever since updating to Big Sur, my VO focus has  never been in focus for 
>> FaceTime calls.
>>  
>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 12:01, John Panarese > wrote:
>>>  
>>>   If the focus is on the window, you should be able to VO-arrow to the, 
>>> accept, button and then VO-space. If you have to use the notification 
>>> center to answer, then use the approach I mentioned before. Usually, for 
>>> me, the VoiceOver focus is right in the FaceTime call window and I just 
>>> have to navigate to the, accept, button.
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <>
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
>>> 
>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 28, 2020, at 11:40 AM, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
 > wrote:
  
 John,
  
 Thanks, but just to make sure I understand, should I do these steps after 
 doing a VO+O to get into the notification area, or as soon as the call 
 comes through do it right where the VO focus is at?
  
 Eileen
  
 From: John Panarese <>
 Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 8:07 PM
 To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries <>
 Subject: Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?
  
   VO-command-space on the notifications and VO-down arrow down the 
 options. You can then VO-spacebar.
  
  
 
 Take Care
 
 John D. Panarese
 Director
 Mac for the Blind
 Tel, (631) 724-4479
 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <>
 Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
 
 APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
 
 AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
 
 MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
 
 
 
 
> On Dec 27, 2020, at 7:35 PM, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
> > wrote:
>  
>  
> Hello All,
>  
> Since I updated to Big Sur on my 2014 Mac Book Pro, I have not been able 
> to answer incoming Face Time calls on the computer. I know that VO+O 
> takes me to the notification center, but I am unsure what to do to try 
> and find the answer/accept button on incoming calls. I am able to place 
> out-going with Face Time, however.
>  
> Does any one else have this problem and know the solution? And, second, 
> is it a bug or just my problem with not knowing what to do?
>  
> I called Apple Accessibility to ask for some assistance and I was told 
> that I really should not update as soon as the OS updates come out, but 
> rather wait a year or even two. It used to be so simple to either swipe 
> on the track pad or VO+ Left/right-arrow to the needed button.
>  
> Seems to me it has something to do with accessing the notifications since 
> I could not even get a screen sharing session going with their tech 
> support.
>  
> Thanks for any pointers in the proper direction.
>  
> Eileen
>  
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Re: I'm reading very long documents on my Mac?

2020-12-28 Thread Brandon Olivares

I don’t understand the issue? I generally just use TextEdit, and haven’t 
encountered any issues with it.

“Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven” – Satan, from Milton’s Paradise 
Lost



> On Dec 28, 2020, at 7:36 PM, maurice Mines  wrote:
> 
> Hello, I find myself having to read a very lengthy document on my Mac, I've 
> heard of several potential ways of doing this but none of them are working. 
> So I'm looking for suggestions? I am using a 2020 MacBook Pro running Big Sur 
> 11.1. Add anyone found anything to be affective? My wordprocessing 
> possibilities in terms of applications to read this document are Microsoft 
> word but the Mac, or tax edit. Along time ago I had pages but I don't 
> anymore. If this is the appropriate application to use to do this, where do I 
> download it from? And has it been updated to run on the current operating 
> system?
> 
> Two important notes, one my comments and questions above I am asking as a 
> person. Not a representative of of the national Federation of the blind deaf 
> blind division. I do however sit on the board and 85% of the emails that I 
> sent from my computer are related to that, I am very much a volunteer and 
> that's endeavor. Two the above text hats made it to the computer by means of 
> apples I built in dictation software. So if there are errors above, they may 
> be the result of the dictation process, Or action software. If there's 
> something that you truly do not understand please reach out to me and asked 
> me what my original intent may have band I will do my very best to help clear 
> up any potential misunderstandings that may arise from the text. Thank you 
> for reading this.
> maurice Mines
>   m
> aur...@maurice-amines.com 
> 
> Maurice Mines, Board Member 
> National Federation of the Blind Deaf-Blind Division 
> Email: boa...@nfbdeaf-blind.org  
> > 
> Website: www.nfbdeaf-blind.org  
> > 
> Live the life you want. 
> The National Federation of the Blind Deaf-Blind Division, a proud division 
> of the National Federation of the Blind, is a community of members and 
> friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind. Every day 
> we work together to help blind people live the lives they want.   
> 
> 
> 
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Re: I'm reading very long documents on my Mac?

It would help if you provided more information on what kind/format document you 
are trying to read.

- Brad -

On Dec 28, 2020, at 18:36, maurice Mines  wrote:

Hello, I find myself having to read a very lengthy document on my Mac, I've 
heard of several potential ways of doing this but none of them are working. So 
I'm looking for suggestions? I am using a 2020 MacBook Pro running Big Sur 
11.1. Add anyone found anything to be affective? My wordprocessing 
possibilities in terms of applications to read this document are Microsoft word 
but the Mac, or tax edit. Along time ago I had pages but I don't anymore. If 
this is the appropriate application to use to do this, where do I download it 
from? And has it been updated to run on the current operating system?

Two important notes, one my comments and questions above I am asking as a 
person. Not a representative of of the national Federation of the blind deaf 
blind division. I do however sit on the board and 85% of the emails that I sent 
from my computer are related to that, I am very much a volunteer and that's 
endeavor. Two the above text hats made it to the computer by means of apples I 
built in dictation software. So if there are errors above, they may be the 
result of the dictation process, Or action software. If there's something that 
you truly do not understand please reach out to me and asked me what my 
original intent may have band I will do my very best to help clear up any 
potential misunderstandings that may arise from the text. Thank you for reading 
this.
maurice Mines
m
aur...@maurice-amines.com 

Maurice Mines, Board Member 
National Federation of the Blind Deaf-Blind Division 
Email: boa...@nfbdeaf-blind.org  
> 
Website: www.nfbdeaf-blind.org  
> 
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Re: I'm reading very long documents on my Mac?

2020-12-28 Thread Maurice Mines

I DES you are simply this, how do I read it in a document from beginning to 
end. In this case it is a  magazine. So it is definitely longform reading and 
what I'm looking for is the exact voiceover keystroke that will allow me to do 
this? I'm happy to know you use textedit if it were to use it. Thank goodness 
texted it reads word d documents. Because that's 99.9% of the reading but gets 
downloaded that our download it. Another words the bottom line here years what 
voiceover I keystroke well allow me to read continuously from the beginning of 
the document to the end of the document. That's the main the reason for the 
questions.

Please note I set my comments above our mind, they do not reflect the views of 
the national Federation of the blind, or the national for the blind deaf blind 
division. Note number two do you wear that I am dictating this to the computer, 
bicep apples built and software. If there's something that I'm written that you 
don't understand, please reach out to me and asked what my original intent 
wires. I will do everything I can to help clear up any misunderstandings that 
may occur due to the he talks written above. Thank you for reading this.

> On Dec 29, 2020, at 01:26, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
> 
> I don’t understand the issue? I generally just use TextEdit, and haven’t 
> encountered any issues with it.
> 
> “Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven” – Satan, from Milton’s 
> Paradise Lost
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 7:36 PM, maurice Mines > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, I find myself having to read a very lengthy document on my Mac, I've 
>> heard of several potential ways of doing this but none of them are working. 
>> So I'm looking for suggestions? I am using a 2020 MacBook Pro running Big 
>> Sur 11.1. Add anyone found anything to be affective? My wordprocessing 
>> possibilities in terms of applications to read this document are Microsoft 
>> word but the Mac, or tax edit. Along time ago I had pages but I don't 
>> anymore. If this is the appropriate application to use to do this, where do 
>> I download it from? And has it been updated to run on the current operating 
>> system?
>> 
>> Two important notes, one my comments and questions above I am asking as a 
>> person. Not a representative of of the national Federation of the blind deaf 
>> blind division. I do however sit on the board and 85% of the emails that I 
>> sent from my computer are related to that, I am very much a volunteer and 
>> that's endeavor. Two the above text hats made it to the computer by means of 
>> apples I built in dictation software. So if there are errors above, they may 
>> be the result of the dictation process, Or action software. If there's 
>> something that you truly do not understand please reach out to me and asked 
>> me what my original intent may have band I will do my very best to help 
>> clear up any potential misunderstandings that may arise from the text. Thank 
>> you for reading this.
>> maurice Mines
>>  m
>> aur...@maurice-amines.com 
>> 
>> Maurice Mines, Board Member 
>> National Federation of the Blind Deaf-Blind Division 
>> Email: boa...@nfbdeaf-blind.org  
>> > 
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>> > 
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Re: additional voices?

2020-12-28 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn

Well, I believe they’re only 40 English voice says, and of those at least 10 or 
totally useless. Generally they’re marked them as different genders and 
sometimes is a compact and a non-compact version. One example of a totally 
useless one, is the bells voice that was around since macOS eight or possibly 
seven.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 28, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
>  Jonathan,
> Do you know if any details about each voice is provided..anywhere?
> Its characteristics, frequency ranges, etc.?
> Surely there must be some reason that makes each voice distinctive from each  
>  other besides the name.
> That such a number exists is honestly astonishing.
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2020, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>> 
>> There are approximately, 285 voices that are available as downloads from 
>> Apple. If you pick the name of the Voice in the Speech category of VoiceOver 
>> utility, and go to the last item in the pop-up list this will be "customize".
>> Pressing this brings up a dialog with a table of voices. Each voice has a 
>> checkbox next to it to determine if if it will be enabled for use in 
>> VoiceOver. After the list of voices is a play, cancel, and a OK button. The 
>> Play button lets you hear a sample of the selected voice. The OK button 
>> accepts any changes and requests System Utility to download the new voices 
>> the next time it checks for updates.
>> 
>>Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On Dec 28, 2020, at 09:53, Chris Westbrook  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I like Alex, and sort of like Daniel sometimes, but are there additional 
>>> voices for purchase or free? Just wondering. I like Fred's voice, but he 
>>> doesn't speak clearly. haha.
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Re: I'm reading very long documents on my Mac?

I think you are looking for vo+a for read all. This should read from the
cursor to the end of the document. Hope this helps.

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 8:43 PM Maurice Mines  wrote:

> I DES you are simply this, how do I read it in a document from beginning
> to end. In this case it is a  magazine. So it is definitely longform
> reading and what I'm looking for is the exact voiceover keystroke that will
> allow me to do this? I'm happy to know you use textedit if it were to use
> it. Thank goodness texted it reads word d documents. Because that's 99.9%
> of the reading but gets downloaded that our download it. Another words the
> bottom line here years what voiceover I keystroke well allow me to read
> continuously from the beginning of the document to the end of the document.
> That's the main the reason for the questions.
>
> Please note I set my comments above our mind, they do not reflect the
> views of the national Federation of the blind, or the national for the
> blind deaf blind division. Note number two do you wear that I am dictating
> this to the computer, bicep apples built and software. If there's something
> that I'm written that you don't understand, please reach out to me and
> asked what my original intent wires. I will do everything I can to help
> clear up any misunderstandings that may occur due to the he talks written
> above. Thank you for reading this.
>
> On Dec 29, 2020, at 01:26, Brandon Olivares 
> wrote:
>
> I don’t understand the issue? I generally just use TextEdit, and haven’t
> encountered any issues with it.
>
> “Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven” – Satan, from Milton’s
> Paradise Lost
>
>
>
> On Dec 28, 2020, at 7:36 PM, maurice Mines 
> wrote:
>
> Hello, I find myself having to read a very lengthy document on my Mac,
> I've heard of several potential ways of doing this but none of them are
> working. So I'm looking for suggestions? I am using a 2020 MacBook Pro
> running Big Sur 11.1. Add anyone found anything to be affective? My
> wordprocessing possibilities in terms of applications to read this document
> are Microsoft word but the Mac, or tax edit. Along time ago I had pages but
> I don't anymore. If this is the appropriate application to use to do this,
> where do I download it from? And has it been updated to run on the current
> operating system?
>
> Two important notes, one my comments and questions above I am asking as a
> person. Not a representative of of the national Federation of the blind
> deaf blind division. I do however sit on the board and 85% of the emails
> that I sent from my computer are related to that, I am very much a
> volunteer and that's endeavor. Two the above text hats made it to the
> computer by means of apples I built in dictation software. So if there are
> errors above, they may be the result of the dictation process, Or action
> software. If there's something that you truly do not understand please
> reach out to me and asked me what my original intent may have band I will
> do my very best to help clear up any potential misunderstandings that may
> arise from the text. Thank you for reading this.
> maurice Mines
> m
> aur...@maurice-amines.com
>
> Maurice Mines, Board Member
> National Federation of the Blind Deaf-Blind Division
> Email: boa...@nfbdeaf-blind.org  <
> mailto:boa...@nfbdeaf-blind.org >
> Website: www.nfbdeaf-blind.org 
> Live the life you want.
> The National Federation of the Blind Deaf-Blind Division, a proud division
> of the National Federation of the Blind, is a community of members and
> friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind. Every
> day
> we work together to help blind people live the lives they want.
>
>
>
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Re: I'm reading very long documents on my Mac?

2020-12-28 Thread Brandon Olivares

Also swipe down with two fingers on the trackpad. That’s how I generally do it.

“Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven” – Satan, from Milton’s Paradise 
Lost



> On Dec 28, 2020, at 9:12 PM, Chris Westbrook  wrote:
> 
> I think you are looking for vo+a for read all. This should read from the 
> cursor to the end of the document. Hope this helps.
> 
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 8:43 PM Maurice Mines  > wrote:
> I DES you are simply this, how do I read it in a document from beginning to 
> end. In this case it is a  magazine. So it is definitely longform reading and 
> what I'm looking for is the exact voiceover keystroke that will allow me to 
> do this? I'm happy to know you use textedit if it were to use it. Thank 
> goodness texted it reads word d documents. Because that's 99.9% of the 
> reading but gets downloaded that our download it. Another words the bottom 
> line here years what voiceover I keystroke well allow me to read continuously 
> from the beginning of the document to the end of the document. That's the 
> main the reason for the questions.
> 
> Please note I set my comments above our mind, they do not reflect the views 
> of the national Federation of the blind, or the national for the blind deaf 
> blind division. Note number two do you wear that I am dictating this to the 
> computer, bicep apples built and software. If there's something that I'm 
> written that you don't understand, please reach out to me and asked what my 
> original intent wires. I will do everything I can to help clear up any 
> misunderstandings that may occur due to the he talks written above. Thank you 
> for reading this.
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 01:26, Brandon Olivares > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t understand the issue? I generally just use TextEdit, and haven’t 
>> encountered any issues with it.
>> 
>> “Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven” – Satan, from Milton’s 
>> Paradise Lost
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 7:36 PM, maurice Mines >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, I find myself having to read a very lengthy document on my Mac, I've 
>>> heard of several potential ways of doing this but none of them are working. 
>>> So I'm looking for suggestions? I am using a 2020 MacBook Pro running Big 
>>> Sur 11.1. Add anyone found anything to be affective? My wordprocessing 
>>> possibilities in terms of applications to read this document are Microsoft 
>>> word but the Mac, or tax edit. Along time ago I had pages but I don't 
>>> anymore. If this is the appropriate application to use to do this, where do 
>>> I download it from? And has it been updated to run on the current operating 
>>> system?
>>> 
>>> Two important notes, one my comments and questions above I am asking as a 
>>> person. Not a representative of of the national Federation of the blind 
>>> deaf blind division. I do however sit on the board and 85% of the emails 
>>> that I sent from my computer are related to that, I am very much a 
>>> volunteer and that's endeavor. Two the above text hats made it to the 
>>> computer by means of apples I built in dictation software. So if there are 
>>> errors above, they may be the result of the dictation process, Or action 
>>> software. If there's something that you truly do not understand please 
>>> reach out to me and asked me what my original intent may have band I will 
>>> do my very best to help clear up any potential misunderstandings that may 
>>> arise from the text. Thank you for reading this.
>>> maurice Mines
>>> m
>>> aur...@maurice-amines.com 
>>> 
>>> Maurice Mines, Board Member 
>>> National Federation of the Blind Deaf-Blind Division 
>>> Email: boa...@nfbdeaf-blind.org  
>>> > 
>>> Website: www.nfbdeaf-blind.org  
>>> > 
>>> Live the life you want. 
>>> The National Federation of the Blind Deaf-Blind Division, a proud division 
>>> of the National Federation of the Blind, is a community of members and 
>>> friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind. Every 
>>> day 
>>> we work together to help blind people live the lives they want. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Can't open the contextual menu on the dock

2020-12-28 Thread Jason Judy

Greetings everybody,

A braille user here, I'm having trouble opening the contextual menu on the dock 
on my 2015 Macbook Pro.

Basically, when I press VO + shift key + m key, it doesn't open the contextual 
menu on the dock. The focus would simply jump to the desktop, leaving the dock, 
after pressing the contextual menu shortcut. I also tried to open the 
contextual menu by holding down the Control key and clicking the trackpad, but 
still, the focus would jump to the desktop as well.

Do any of you have any suggestion to get the contextual menu to open?

Another question, is there a keyboard shortcut that will remove an icon from 
the dock if I can't open the contextual menu to do so?

Many thanks,

Jace

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Re: Can't open the contextual menu on the dock

2020-12-28 Thread Gerry Cook

well I’m having the same problem and an apple adviser believed that their iMac 
worked properly and i set up a test account and still the same result, do you 
get the message dock helper has no windows!!  the same as i did? hope that sort 
of helps!! 

> On 29 Dec 2020, at 1:27 pm, Jason Judy  wrote:
> 
> Greetings everybody,
> 
> A braille user here, I'm having trouble opening the contextual menu on the 
> dock on my 2015 Macbook Pro.
> 
> Basically, when I press VO + shift key + m key, it doesn't open the 
> contextual menu on the dock. The focus would simply jump to the desktop, 
> leaving the dock, after pressing the contextual menu shortcut. I also tried 
> to open the contextual menu by holding down the Control key and clicking the 
> trackpad, but still, the focus would jump to the desktop as well.
> 
> Do any of you have any suggestion to get the contextual menu to open?
> 
> Another question, is there a keyboard shortcut that will remove an icon from 
> the dock if I can't open the contextual menu to do so?
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Jace
> 
> Sent from Jace's iPhone
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Re: Can't open the contextual menu on the dock