Re: favorites in Apple Mail

[Lorie McCloud]

I think mine's set that way too. at least I set it that way awhile back. I'll 
check it.

> On Mar 4, 2021, at 12:04 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I don’t hear this on my Mac mini running Catalina.
> My Mail is set to show in Column Layout.  I wonder if that has anything to do 
> with why I don’t hear this.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 3, 2021, at 22:35, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> I'm running Catalina on my Mac mini. when I move up to the top of the mailbox 
> list I hear: "drafts, favorites." I can't figure out how to see what's in 
> there because I only get the drafts if there are any. I looked through all of 
> my mailboxes and couldn't find vip anywhere but every time I open an email I 
> hear: "Mark as VIP." suggestions please.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: correction

[Brad Snyder]

Sounds to me like you have already interacted with the Favorites bar, and your 
VoiceOver is focused on the Draft button.

When you first place VO focus on the Favorites bar, you should hear VoiceOver 
say, “Favorites bar, Group”
When you interact with the Favorites bar, you should hear VoiceOver say "In 
favorites bar, Group, 5 items, Mailboxes button:”, where 5 is the number of 
Favorite Mailboxes on the Favorites bar, and Mailboxes button, is the item upon 
which VoiceOver is focused..

- Brad -


On Mar 3, 2021, at 22:38, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

actually what I hear is Drafts and then favorites bar. how do I interact with 
the favorites bar? when I press the usual key combo I hear: "no visible title 
to interact."

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Re: favorites in Apple Mail

[Brad Snyder]

I don’t hear this on my Mac mini running Catalina.
My Mail is set to show in Column Layout.  I wonder if that has anything to do 
with why I don’t hear this.

- Brad -


On Mar 3, 2021, at 22:35, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I'm running Catalina on my Mac mini. when I move up to the top of the mailbox 
list I hear: "drafts, favorites." I can't figure out how to see what's in there 
because I only get the drafts if there are any. I looked through all of my 
mailboxes and couldn't find vip anywhere but every time I open an email I hear: 
"Mark as VIP." suggestions please.

thanks.
Lorie

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RE: command to turn off grouping for the current table?

[Fazil]

My first language is called Urdu and Android has very good support for Urdu. 
Although it is still in its initial stages but it has been progressing very 
well since its inception back in November, 2019

Thanks!.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2021 6:47 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: command to turn off grouping for the current table?

 

Yes, I am trying to balance giving you the answers you request with the tools 
to find out the information yourself. Hopefully, I haven't sounded to annoyed, 
if I have, it is because of other things I am concerned with. 

I can tell  that you are learning quite a bit about Macintosh and VoiceOver 
over the last month. You are doing a great job at keeping at it.

 

. Have you tried using the Macintosh in a language  you are more familiar with? 
Though one problem with this, is I expect that if you are using a non Roman 
alphabet, that most of the VoiceOver commands would no longer work. You could 
re-map the quicknav keys in the commanders section of VoiceOver Utility, but 
commands like go to next bold text (VO-commmand-b) might be difficult. 

Do you mind sharing what your native language is?

 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn







On Mar 3, 2021, at 12:58, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Thanks much, Jonathan. I do appreciate you for asking me this question.

Please rest assure that I bring the question to the group only when all efforts 
are exhausted on my part. I might often be missing something very obvious, and 
there 

Are two main reasons for this, 1.

I am new to Mac and 2. English is not my First Language.

I am thankful to you for putting up with my goofy questions.

Thanks!

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2021 4:30 AM
To: macvisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: command to turn off grouping for the current table?

 

Hello,

Did you attempt to find this command on your own? My apologies for asking, but 
you continue to ask fairly basic questions here. 

Try pressing VO-H twice and then typing in either interact or table.  and then 
pressing down arrow a few times.

 

 

When I did this I quickly came across 

toggle table interactivity  control option command equals 

On the US keyboard the equals sign is the key directly to the left of the 
delete key. As recently discussed Windows calls this key backspace to 
distinguish it from the forward delete key though I am fairly sure that my 
electric typewriter with correction tape called it delete. Just another case 
where Microsoft messed with norms. Best wishes,


Jonathan Cohn









On Mar 2, 2021, at 16:51, Fazil <  
fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Hi, Group!

May I know the command to turn off grouping for the current table, please?

Thanks!

 

 

 

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correction

[Lorie McCloud]

actually what I hear is Drafts and then favorites bar. how do I interact with 
the favorites bar? when I press the usual key combo I hear: "no visible title 
to interact."

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favorites in Apple Mail

[Lorie McCloud]

I'm running Catalina on my Mac mini. when I move up to the top of the mailbox 
list I hear: "drafts, favorites." I can't figure out how to see what's in there 
because I only get the drafts if there are any. I looked through all of my 
mailboxes and couldn't find vip anywhere but every time I open an email I hear: 
"Mark as VIP." suggestions please.

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: Apple mail on Mac

[Lorie McCloud]

I'm running Catalina. how do I get to it on there?

> On Mar 3, 2021, at 9:10 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> It changed in Big Sur. In Catalina and earlier, before the list of Mailboxes 
> was a separate grouping of Favorite Mailboxes.
> In Big Sur they are not a distinct groups, the easiest way to see Favorites 
> in the newer system is to go to the top of the list of Mailboxes. The first 
> line should say something like:
> Favorites 6 items add button.
> If you click the add button you can add additional mail folders to your 
> favorites.
> The big advantage to favorites is the builtin commands for them.
> command-1 will open the first favorite folder and. command-control-1 will 
> move a message to the first favorite mailbox. 
> These commands work up to at least 6  favorite folders.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
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>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 15:13, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> where are favorites on the Mac?
>> 
>>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 6:35 AM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am fairly confident that the VIP mail folders is a Apple thing. Google 
>>> tends to go with the "important" label for marking things to look at 
>>> quickly.
>>> FOr me VIPs shows up in my favorites area and if I hit vo-shift-m on it 
>>> there is a option to remove it from favorites.
>>>   
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 2, 2021, at 18:28, Lorie McCloud >>> > wrote:
 
 I wasn't aware that I had a vip folder either. could be a gmail thing 
 though.
 
> On Mar 2, 2021, at 4:33 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> I don’t experience this, but I don’t have a VIP folder.
> Perhaps this is a Gmail thing.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 2, 2021, at 14:40, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> lately each time I open an email on my Mac it says: "Mark as vip" before 
> it starts reading the email. this is in Catalina. I don't want to hear 
> that every time. is there a way to get rid of it?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: Audio editing?

[Lorie McCloud]

thanks. that's good to know. I looked at Twisted Wave too but thought Amadaeus 
Pro would be better. I'm looking for simplicity and functionality.

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> Hi Lorie,  Amadeus pro is really good. I've been using it for years. I highly 
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>> On 
>> 3, 2021, at 5:14 PM, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
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>> I'm interested in Amadaeus pro. haven't bought it yet but am planning to. 
>> would that one be included in this?
>> 
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Re: Audio editing?

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Hi Lorie,  Amadeus pro is really good. I've been using it for years. I highly 
reccommend it.  

> On 
> 3, 2021, at 5:14 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I'm interested in Amadaeus pro. haven't bought it yet but am planning to. 
> would that one be included in this?
> 
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>> Ok, there was a discussion on this list and a few others about Audio Hijack 
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>> others.  Want those who know how to edit audio, or who want to learn how to 
>> edit audio to join me in mastering this for podcasts or just in your free 
>> time.  Subscribe here
>> audio-editing101+subscr...@groups.io 
>> 
>> 
>> Don’t join just to add another group to your list of groups your in.  Thanks
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Re: Apple mail on Mac

[Jonathan Cohn]

It changed in Big Sur. In Catalina and earlier, before the list of Mailboxes 
was a separate grouping of Favorite Mailboxes.
In Big Sur they are not a distinct groups, the easiest way to see Favorites in 
the newer system is to go to the top of the list of Mailboxes. The first line 
should say something like:
Favorites 6 items add button.
If you click the add button you can add additional mail folders to your 
favorites.
The big advantage to favorites is the builtin commands for them.
command-1 will open the first favorite folder and. command-control-1 will move 
a message to the first favorite mailbox. 
These commands work up to at least 6  favorite folders.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Mar 3, 2021, at 15:13, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> where are favorites on the Mac?
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 6:35 AM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> I am fairly confident that the VIP mail folders is a Apple thing. Google 
>> tends to go with the "important" label for marking things to look at quickly.
>> FOr me VIPs shows up in my favorites area and if I hit vo-shift-m on it 
>> there is a option to remove it from favorites.
>>   
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 18:28, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wasn't aware that I had a vip folder either. could be a gmail thing 
>>> though.
>>> 
 On Mar 2, 2021, at 4:33 PM, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 I don’t experience this, but I don’t have a VIP folder.
 Perhaps this is a Gmail thing.
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 On Mar 2, 2021, at 14:40, Lorie McCloud >>> > wrote:
 
 lately each time I open an email on my Mac it says: "Mark as vip" before 
 it starts reading the email. this is in Catalina. I don't want to hear 
 that every time. is there a way to get rid of it?
 
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Re: Finding someones e-mail address.

[Jonathan Cohn]

This somewhat depends on the distribution system that the list is using. Also, 
AOL / Verizon e-mail addresses are generally more difficult to find in the 
standard way. 
Generally, for non-mailing list and mailing lists senders who don't have their 
from changed to the the origin of the  mailing list, the below procedure should 
work.

1. Interact with the headers
2. Interact with the sender  until VO has you interacting with the text 
(VO-LEFT/RIGHT) move by work)
3. Press VO-space 

This should bring up a contextual menu with options like copy address send 
mail… 

Az I said at the beginning, in some cases on the MacVisionaries list this 
brings up the correct e-mail address other times it brings up 
macvisionai...@googlegroups.com  
If you get the second result, you can view all headers and look for 
x-original-sender:. This works at least in GoogleGroups.

I had started to write an AppleScript to parse all this out when I was 
unemployed but that is no longer the case. If somebody wants the starting code, 
I should have it stashed away somewhere.
Best wishes,

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> On Mar 3, 2021, at 14:12, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> I want to write to someone on the BlindTech mailing list but I can’t find out 
> how I can get his mailadress using the mail app on the Mac.
> I try to view the mailed but with no luck.
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Re: command to turn off grouping for the current table?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Yes, I am trying to balance giving you the answers you request with the tools 
to find out the information yourself. Hopefully, I haven't sounded to annoyed, 
if I have, it is because of other things I am concerned with. 
I can tell  that you are learning quite a bit about Macintosh and VoiceOver 
over the last month. You are doing a great job at keeping at it.

. Have you tried using the Macintosh in a language  you are more familiar with? 
Though one problem with this, is I expect that if you are using a non Roman 
alphabet, that most of the VoiceOver commands would no longer work. You could 
re-map the quicknav keys in the commanders section of VoiceOver Utility, but 
commands like go to next bold text (VO-commmand-b) might be difficult. 
Do you mind sharing what your native language is?
 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Mar 3, 2021, at 12:58, Fazil  wrote:
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> Thanks much, Jonathan. I do appreciate you for asking me this question.
> Please rest assure that I bring the question to the group only when all 
> efforts are exhausted on my part. I might often be missing something very 
> obvious, and there 
> Are two main reasons for this, 1.
> I am new to Mac and 2. English is not my First Language.
> I am thankful to you for putting up with my goofy questions.
> Thanks!
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2021 4:30 AM
> To: macvisionaries 
> Subject: Re: command to turn off grouping for the current table?
>  
> Hello,
> Did you attempt to find this command on your own? My apologies for asking, 
> but you continue to ask fairly basic questions here. 
> Try pressing VO-H twice and then typing in either interact or table.  and 
> then pressing down arrow a few times.
>  
>  
> When I did this I quickly came across 
> toggle table interactivity  control option command equals 
> On the US keyboard the equals sign is the key directly to the left of the 
> delete key. As recently discussed Windows calls this key backspace to 
> distinguish it from the forward delete key though I am fairly sure that my 
> electric typewriter with correction tape called it delete. Just another case 
> where Microsoft messed with norms. Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 16:51, Fazil > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi, Group!
>> 
>> May I know the command to turn off grouping for the current table, please?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
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Best OCR solution for the mac with VoiceOver?

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi List,
What is the best set up for doing ocr these days?
Software?
Printer scanner?
Thanks
Chuck

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Re: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

[Mike Arrigo]

No matter what I do, I cannot open the context menu for any item on the dock. 
It just goes back to the finder, unless voiceover is reporting it wrong, I 
guess I could try control clicking with the trackpad on my laptop but for the 
mac minis, nothing works.

> On Mar 2, 2021, at 4:11 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> I may not be understanding this issue but I’ve just opened a context menu on 
> a dock item (using control click) and then used enter to access an option.
> 
> Enter seems to consistently work once a context menu is open. Are others not 
> seeing this?
> 
> My apologies if I have misunderstood or have missed the point.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 7:26 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> From my experience, I have had no problem opening the shortcut menu for a 
>> Dock item using VO + Shift +M..  The real problem is accessing a selection 
>> from a shortcut menu.
>> In the beginning of this issue, routing the mouse pointer to the desired 
>> menu item, and then performing a mouse click on the trackpad worked in most 
>> situations.  However, since the 11.2 update, this work-around no longer 
>> performs as it once did in the prior 11.1 update.  There has been no change 
>> with the 11.2.2 update as well.
>> This situation is both disappointing and unacceptable.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 02:36, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> 
>> I only found one real solution to this issue: 
>> Navigate to an element in the Dock.
>> Switch off Trackpad Commander.
>> Route mouse pointer to VO by pressing VO + CMD + F5. Pressing FN 
>> additionally probably would be necessary in most cases.
>> Hold down CTRL and press down Trackpad with one finger. Means perform a real 
>> right click.
>> If I do so the known context menu opens  reliably on my Mac. All other 
>> suggestions didn’t work more than ones.
>> All the best
>> Jürgen
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 02.03.2021 um 06:39 schrieb Brad Snyder :
>>> 
>>> I don’t find that using the Actions Menu helps get around any of the Big 
>>> Sur Dock access issues.
>>> Maybe I’m missing something here.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 1, 2021, at 18:51, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>>Which can be done via the Action Menu with ease.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>> 
>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 1, 2021, at 7:50 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
 Adding items to the Dock never has been a problem in Big Sur.  The problem 
 is accessing and working with the shortcut menu for Dock items in Big Sur.
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 On Mar 1, 2021, at 18:36, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 
 I wonder if this person even tried a mac. Yes, there was an issue with 
 disk utility in the big sur recovery and I agree that this should have 
 never been released, but it is fixed now. I'm wondering what tasks the 
 author of this article wants to perform but is unable to do. There is 
 still an issue with adding and removing items from the dock using the 
 keyboard but that's not voiceover related directly.
 
> On Mar 1, 2021, at 6:48 AM, kliph miller Sr  
> wrote:
> 
>>> It’s clear to me about this article 2 things.
>> 1. This is a windows user
>> 2. They haven’t done there homework.
>> Note: I am not the author of this article!
>> 
>>> Introduction
>>> The modern era has brought many advantages for those who are blind or 
>>> visually impaired. One of the most important tools a blind user uses 
>>> with modern computing devices is a screen reader. Traditionally, screen 
>>> readers have been very expensive third-party programs that were very 
>>> difficult to obtain depending on one’s financial status. However, 
>>> several free yet capable screen readers have emerged in the last 20 
>>> years. The two that we will be discussing are Apple’s VoiceOver for 
>>> macOS and the Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for Windows. Both are 
>>> powerful screen readers in their own right, but they have their 
>>> strengths and weaknesses which I will discuss in more detail. Hopefully 
>>> by the end of this article, you will have a better understanding of 
>>> each product and its individual strengths/weaknesses.
>>> 
>>> NVDA
>>> Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for short is a free and open source 
>>> screen reader for the Microsoft Windows operating system. The 
>>> organization behind the project is an Australian company called NV 
>>> Access (www.nvaccess.org). It has been around since 2006 and primarily 
>>> competes with the JAWS for Windows screen reader produced by Freedom 
>>> Scientific or Vispero as they are no

Re: Audio editing?

[kliph miller Sr]

Yes it would.


> On Mar 3, 2021, at 4:14 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I'm interested in Amadaeus pro. haven't bought it yet but am planning to. 
> would that one be included in this?
> 
>> On Feb 27, 2021, at 1:06 PM, kliph miller Sr > > wrote:
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>> Ok, there was a discussion on this list and a few others about Audio Hijack 
>> pro, among other apps, I have learned how to use Audio Hijack, and a few 
>> others.  Want those who know how to edit audio, or who want to learn how to 
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>> 
>> 
>> Don’t join just to add another group to your list of groups your in.  Thanks
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Re: Audio editing?

[Lorie McCloud]

I'm interested in Amadaeus pro. haven't bought it yet but am planning to. would 
that one be included in this?

> On Feb 27, 2021, at 1:06 PM, kliph miller Sr  
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> Ok, there was a discussion on this list and a few others about Audio Hijack 
> pro, among other apps, I have learned how to use Audio Hijack, and a few 
> others.  Want those who know how to edit audio, or who want to learn how to 
> edit audio to join me in mastering this for podcasts or just in your free 
> time.  Subscribe here
> audio-editing101+subscr...@groups.io 
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> Don’t join just to add another group to your list of groups your in.  Thanks
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Re: Apple mail on Mac

[Lorie McCloud]

where are favorites on the Mac?

> On Mar 3, 2021, at 6:35 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> I am fairly confident that the VIP mail folders is a Apple thing. Google 
> tends to go with the "important" label for marking things to look at quickly.
> FOr me VIPs shows up in my favorites area and if I hit vo-shift-m on it there 
> is a option to remove it from favorites.
>   
>   Best wishes,
> 
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> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 18:28, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I wasn't aware that I had a vip folder either. could be a gmail thing though.
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 4:33 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t experience this, but I don’t have a VIP folder.
>>> Perhaps this is a Gmail thing.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 14:40, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> lately each time I open an email on my Mac it says: "Mark as vip" before it 
>>> starts reading the email. this is in Catalina. I don't want to hear that 
>>> every time. is there a way to get rid of it?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: Finding someones e-mail address.

[Lorie McCloud]

the way I do this is when I'm in the email press command-option-u. vo says raw 
source. then you have to arrow down through a whole bunch of stuff but 
eventually you come to sender.

> On Mar 3, 2021, at 1:12 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I want to write to someone on the BlindTech mailing list but I can’t find out 
> how I can get his mailadress using the mail app on the Mac.
> I try to view the mailed but with no luck.
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Re: Finding someones e-mail address.

[Brad Snyder]

If you create a reply or forwarded message, in most cases, you should be able 
to find the sender’s address in the heading information for the original 
message.
If you look in the line below my signature/name, you will find your own email 
address.

HTH.

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On Mar 3, 2021, at 13:12, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
I want to write to someone on the BlindTech mailing list but I can’t find out 
how I can get his mailadress using the mail app on the Mac.
I try to view the mailed but with no luck.
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Re: Send on the Touch Bar in Mail?

[Brad Snyder]

I rarely use the TouchBar for anything.
When i want to send mail, I use CMD + Shift + D.  Works like a charm every time.

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On Mar 3, 2021, at 13:08, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
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Although I am new to the Mac, I use the Touch Bar on my new M1 MacBook Pro 
quite a bit. However, I do have one issue when in mail. I can usually just 
double tap on the bar for pretty much anything I want from anything from Siri 
to Compose to Emoji.  However, I can double tap on send forever and nothing 
happens. I am wondering if this is a bug or if I am doing something wrong? I do 
enjoy the flexibility of the Touch Bar. And I use it extensively.
I’m still adjusting to not having a numeric keypad. And I am quitting Office so 
I am still adjusting to not having that at the ready. But I do love the Touch 
Bar. 
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Finding someones e-mail address.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I want to write to someone on the BlindTech mailing list but I can’t find out 
how I can get his mailadress using the mail app on the Mac.
I try to view the mailed but with no luck.
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Send on the Touch Bar in Mail?

['Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries]

Although I am new to the Mac, I use the Touch Bar on my new M1 MacBook Pro 
quite a bit. However, I do have one issue when in mail. I can usually just 
double tap on the bar for pretty much anything I want from anything from Siri 
to Compose to Emoji.  However, I can double tap on send forever and nothing 
happens. I am wondering if this is a bug or if I am doing something wrong? I do 
enjoy the flexibility of the Touch Bar. And I use it extensively.
I’m still adjusting to not having a numeric keypad. And I am quitting Office so 
I am still adjusting to not having that at the ready. But I do love the Touch 
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Re: Feedback update Mantis Q40

[kliph miller Sr]

Don’t know what the issue was before, but the iPhone can be on the table, iPad 
and Mac in the other room, and I can switch to them without having to touch any 
of the devices.  I wish there was a hot key, but going to the terminal and 
selecting the device I want to work on is just fine.

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> On Mar 3, 2021, at 10:27 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tracy,
> 
> That's one drawback to the Mantis. When you switch devices, you have to do it 
> manually from the device. I didn't keep mine, so I don't remember the exact 
> process, and the latest update may have made the process more streamline. 
> Joseph can speak to that better than I.
> 
> Using the keyboard in your lap is, in my opinion, a place where the Mantis 
> truly excels. I loved being able to just put my phone or my iPad on the 
> coffee table, set the Mantis in my lap, and just do everything from there. If 
> you're a qwerty user, that feature alone is truly awesome!
> 
> BTW, the reason I did not keep the mantis was because I wanted a more robust 
> editor. I don't care much about calendars, stopwatch timers, and stuff like 
> that, because I just use my phone for those things. But I do want the option 
> to do editing independently of my i-device. Mostly, the editor on the Mantis 
> is pretty good, but it has some file size limitations that didn't work for 
> me. That said, I'm still very interested in the Mantis, and I suspect that 
> eventually, I will own one.
> 
> The staff at APH are very helpful. I found them to be great to deal with. The 
> user list for the Mantis is full of helpful people, and when I returned my 
> unit, the return was handled promptly, with no questions asked. The one 
> drawback is that at that time--and I think maybe still--the Mantis was 
> back-ordered. So they had my money for a good month(ish) before I got my 
> unit. I imagine that either has changed, or will change, because the back 
> order was due to supply chain issues related to COVID.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Traci Duncan > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So something I’m still not clear on when comparing older braille displays 
>> and new ones, is the multiple connections. My 4th gen Focus 14 connects to 
>> one device at a time, however it does automatically connect. So, if I am on 
>> my iPhone using it, lock that phone and move over to my iPad, the Focus 
>> works with that device. 
>> 
>> Is that the difference? The new displays connect to multiple devices, but I 
>> need to reestablish the connection?
>> 
>> Back to the Mantis specifically, could I use the keyboard on my lap?
>> 
>> As far as I understand, I’d purchase Mantis directly through APH right? I’m 
>> not super familiar with them as far as a store goes. Last year I bought some 
>> slate & stylus supplies. :) That’s the extent of my consumer experience.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Traci
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 12:45 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is  more like a laptop keyboard. However, the keys are a comfortable 
>>> size, spacing is comfortable, and the key action is very good. I found it 
>>> very easy to type on.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 2, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Traci Duncan >>> > wrote:
 
 The YouTube video I watch said it was like a laptop keyboard. Not large, 
 but not a small mobile keyboard. I don’t know the dimensions.
 
 Traci
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 2, 2021, at 11:36 AM, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Well, thanks but I don’t think I contact the person.
> I just wanted to know if its a full query keyboard or a small laptop one?
> /A
> 
>> 2 mars 2021 kl. 20:27 skrev Traci Duncan > >:
>> 
>> Hi someone replied to me off list, which I am fine with, however I 
>> didn’t find any text. It was some sort of confidential email link.
>> 
>> fidmarine1...@gmail.com  If you are this 
>> person, feel free to send your reply again with text in the body. :) 
>> 
>> Traci
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 10:01 AM, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Yes I am also very interested in this unit.
>>> I still like my Focus 40 but a display with built-in query keyboard is 
>>> something I’ve only seen on the Inka display and the Papenmeier 
>>> displays.
>>> /A
>>> 
>>>

Re: Feedback update Mantis Q40

[joseph hodge]

I wrote this last night but it keeps coming back trying to post again.

Full disclosure I work for APH. However I am totally blind myself and I would 
not try to miss lead anyone.

The Mantis for me is a great keyboard. I like that I can switch from my Mac, to 
my Windows, to my iPhone easily all one keyboard. I mention this in my demos 
but I used to work in insurance and having a keyboard and a Braille Display 
drove me nuts because your constantly fiddling where they both are. With this 
its one device. I think the terminal where you connect to IOS and such is 
wonderful. We have had issues with IOS do to the new Hid standard and Apple 
just not getting it right, but these will be worked out shortly.

Thickness its thicker than my MacBook Pro lol. However it goes in my bag fine 
where I would put a laptop.

I like having an editor but the older I get I would be just fine with a dummy 
device only that connects to my devices I need. I don’t need the extras they 
are nice but Bookshare locally I only use for testing because I just use 
Voicedream reader and sync between all my devices.

The one thing and place I think I wouldn’t reccomend the Mantis is travel. I 
mean the Mantis is small and usable on the go, but if your in a taxi cab do you 
see yourself really using a qwerty to type and be productive? If you never use 
a display in this manner then it won't bother you, but if you are someone who 
uses their display a lot on the go you may not like the size.

Me personally I think I could see this sitting on my desk full time or maybe 
take it out to my recliner but I would prefer a skinnier display to take with 
my more powerful devices on the road.

Joe

> On Mar 3, 2021, at 11:58 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anders,
> 
> I believe that Humanware is now selling it in Europe.
> Best,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 10:49 AM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> So this display is for the US only guess?
>> Then I guess its not for me yet if they don’t make it available in other 
>> countries with the correct keyboard layout.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 3 mars 2021 kl. 17:27 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tracy,
>>> 
>>> That's one drawback to the Mantis. When you switch devices, you have to do 
>>> it manually from the device. I didn't keep mine, so I don't remember the 
>>> exact process, and the latest update may have made the process more 
>>> streamline. Joseph can speak to that better than I.
>>> 
>>> Using the keyboard in your lap is, in my opinion, a place where the Mantis 
>>> truly excels. I loved being able to just put my phone or my iPad on the 
>>> coffee table, set the Mantis in my lap, and just do everything from there. 
>>> If you're a qwerty user, that feature alone is truly awesome!
>>> 
>>> BTW, the reason I did not keep the mantis was because I wanted a more 
>>> robust editor. I don't care much about calendars, stopwatch timers, and 
>>> stuff like that, because I just use my phone for those things. But I do 
>>> want the option to do editing independently of my i-device. Mostly, the 
>>> editor on the Mantis is pretty good, but it has some file size limitations 
>>> that didn't work for me. That said, I'm still very interested in the 
>>> Mantis, and I suspect that eventually, I will own one.
>>> 
>>> The staff at APH are very helpful. I found them to be great to deal with. 
>>> The user list for the Mantis is full of helpful people, and when I returned 
>>> my unit, the return was handled promptly, with no questions asked. The one 
>>> drawback is that at that time--and I think maybe still--the Mantis was 
>>> back-ordered. So they had my money for a good month(ish) before I got my 
>>> unit. I imagine that either has changed, or will change, because the back 
>>> order was due to supply chain issues related to COVID.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 3, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Traci Duncan >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 So something I’m still not clear on when comparing older braille displays 
 and new ones, is the multiple connections. My 4th gen Focus 14 connects to 
 one device at a time, however it does automatically connect. So, if I am 
 on my iPhone using it, lock that phone and move over to my iPad, the Focus 
 works with that device. 
 
 Is that the difference? The new displays connect to multiple devices, but 
 I need to reestablish the connection?
 
 Back to the Mantis specifically, could I use the keyboard on my lap?
 
 As far as I understand, I’d purchase Mantis directly through APH right? 
 I’m not super familiar with them as far as a store goes. Last year I 
 bought some slate & stylus supplies. :) That’s the extent of my consumer 
 experience.
 
 Thanks,
 Traci
 
 
> On Mar 2, 2021, at 12:45 PM, 'Donn

RE: command to turn off grouping for the current table?

[Fazil]

Thanks much, Jonathan. I do appreciate you for asking me this question.

Please rest assure that I bring the question to the group only when all efforts 
are exhausted on my part. I might often be missing something very obvious, and 
there 

Are two main reasons for this, 1.

I am new to Mac and 2. English is not my First Language.

I am thankful to you for putting up with my goofy questions.

Thanks!

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2021 4:30 AM
To: macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: command to turn off grouping for the current table?

 

Hello,

Did you attempt to find this command on your own? My apologies for asking, but 
you continue to ask fairly basic questions here. 

Try pressing VO-H twice and then typing in either interact or table.  and then 
pressing down arrow a few times.

 

 

When I did this I quickly came across 

toggle table interactivity  control option command equals 

On the US keyboard the equals sign is the key directly to the left of the 
delete key. As recently discussed Windows calls this key backspace to 
distinguish it from the forward delete key though I am fairly sure that my 
electric typewriter with correction tape called it delete. Just another case 
where Microsoft messed with norms. Best wishes,


Jonathan Cohn







On Mar 2, 2021, at 16:51, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi, Group!

May I know the command to turn off grouping for the current table, please?

Thanks!

 

 

 

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Re: What does Voiceover does or say when a webpage opens completely?

[Jonathan Cohn]

I believe there are a few settings in VoiceOver Utility / Web / General that 
can effect this.
1. Speak Summary when page loads…
2. Automatically speak page 

I have the second checked and usually have the first unchecked. Right now in my 
beta copy of Big Sur, with this setting, I get the title of the web page 
followed by the words "web content" followed by one span of text from the web 
page. I usually don't get more than that. If I  click the speak summary, then 
after "web content" I get a list of the links, headings and landmarks on the 
page. 
, 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Mar 3, 2021, at 12:32, Fazil  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Group.
> 
> I am sorry for asking this silly question,
> 
> What does Voiceover do or say when a web page has finished loading? Or does 
> Voiceover do different things for each webpage?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
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What does Voiceover does or say when a webpage opens completely?

[Fazil]

Hi, Group.

I am sorry for asking this silly question,

What does Voiceover do or say when a web page has finished loading? Or does
Voiceover do different things for each webpage?

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Re: Feedback update Mantis Q40

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Anders,

I believe that Humanware is now selling it in Europe.
Best,
Donna


> On Mar 3, 2021, at 10:49 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> So this display is for the US only guess?
> Then I guess its not for me yet if they don’t make it available in other 
> countries with the correct keyboard layout.
> /A
> 
>> 3 mars 2021 kl. 17:27 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>> 
>> Hi Tracy,
>> 
>> That's one drawback to the Mantis. When you switch devices, you have to do 
>> it manually from the device. I didn't keep mine, so I don't remember the 
>> exact process, and the latest update may have made the process more 
>> streamline. Joseph can speak to that better than I.
>> 
>> Using the keyboard in your lap is, in my opinion, a place where the Mantis 
>> truly excels. I loved being able to just put my phone or my iPad on the 
>> coffee table, set the Mantis in my lap, and just do everything from there. 
>> If you're a qwerty user, that feature alone is truly awesome!
>> 
>> BTW, the reason I did not keep the mantis was because I wanted a more robust 
>> editor. I don't care much about calendars, stopwatch timers, and stuff like 
>> that, because I just use my phone for those things. But I do want the option 
>> to do editing independently of my i-device. Mostly, the editor on the Mantis 
>> is pretty good, but it has some file size limitations that didn't work for 
>> me. That said, I'm still very interested in the Mantis, and I suspect that 
>> eventually, I will own one.
>> 
>> The staff at APH are very helpful. I found them to be great to deal with. 
>> The user list for the Mantis is full of helpful people, and when I returned 
>> my unit, the return was handled promptly, with no questions asked. The one 
>> drawback is that at that time--and I think maybe still--the Mantis was 
>> back-ordered. So they had my money for a good month(ish) before I got my 
>> unit. I imagine that either has changed, or will change, because the back 
>> order was due to supply chain issues related to COVID.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Traci Duncan >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> So something I’m still not clear on when comparing older braille displays 
>>> and new ones, is the multiple connections. My 4th gen Focus 14 connects to 
>>> one device at a time, however it does automatically connect. So, if I am on 
>>> my iPhone using it, lock that phone and move over to my iPad, the Focus 
>>> works with that device. 
>>> 
>>> Is that the difference? The new displays connect to multiple devices, but I 
>>> need to reestablish the connection?
>>> 
>>> Back to the Mantis specifically, could I use the keyboard on my lap?
>>> 
>>> As far as I understand, I’d purchase Mantis directly through APH right? I’m 
>>> not super familiar with them as far as a store goes. Last year I bought 
>>> some slate & stylus supplies. :) That’s the extent of my consumer 
>>> experience.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Traci
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 2, 2021, at 12:45 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 It is  more like a laptop keyboard. However, the keys are a comfortable 
 size, spacing is comfortable, and the key action is very good. I found it 
 very easy to type on.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 
> On Mar 2, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Traci Duncan  > wrote:
> 
> The YouTube video I watch said it was like a laptop keyboard. Not large, 
> but not a small mobile keyboard. I don’t know the dimensions.
> 
> Traci
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 11:36 AM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Well, thanks but I don’t think I contact the person.
>> I just wanted to know if its a full query keyboard or a small laptop one?
>> /A
>> 
>>> 2 mars 2021 kl. 20:27 skrev Traci Duncan >> >:
>>> 
>>> Hi someone replied to me off list, which I am fine with, however I 
>>> didn’t find any text. It was some sort of confidential email link.
>>> 
>>> fidmarine1...@gmail.com  If you are 
>>> this person, feel free to send your reply again with text in the body. 
>>> :) 
>>> 
>>> Traci
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 2, 2021, at 10:01 AM, Anders Holmberg >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi!
 Yes I am also very interested in this unit.
 I still like my Focus 40 but a display with built-in query keyboard is 
 something I’ve only seen on the Inka display and the Papenmeier 
 displays.
 /A
 
> 2 mars 2021 kl. 18:57 skrev Traci Duncan  >:
> 
> It has been a while since this device ha

Re: Feedback update Mantis Q40

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
So this display is for the US only guess?
Then I guess its not for me yet if they don’t make it available in other 
countries with the correct keyboard layout.
/A

> 3 mars 2021 kl. 17:27 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi Tracy,
> 
> That's one drawback to the Mantis. When you switch devices, you have to do it 
> manually from the device. I didn't keep mine, so I don't remember the exact 
> process, and the latest update may have made the process more streamline. 
> Joseph can speak to that better than I.
> 
> Using the keyboard in your lap is, in my opinion, a place where the Mantis 
> truly excels. I loved being able to just put my phone or my iPad on the 
> coffee table, set the Mantis in my lap, and just do everything from there. If 
> you're a qwerty user, that feature alone is truly awesome!
> 
> BTW, the reason I did not keep the mantis was because I wanted a more robust 
> editor. I don't care much about calendars, stopwatch timers, and stuff like 
> that, because I just use my phone for those things. But I do want the option 
> to do editing independently of my i-device. Mostly, the editor on the Mantis 
> is pretty good, but it has some file size limitations that didn't work for 
> me. That said, I'm still very interested in the Mantis, and I suspect that 
> eventually, I will own one.
> 
> The staff at APH are very helpful. I found them to be great to deal with. The 
> user list for the Mantis is full of helpful people, and when I returned my 
> unit, the return was handled promptly, with no questions asked. The one 
> drawback is that at that time--and I think maybe still--the Mantis was 
> back-ordered. So they had my money for a good month(ish) before I got my 
> unit. I imagine that either has changed, or will change, because the back 
> order was due to supply chain issues related to COVID.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Traci Duncan > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So something I’m still not clear on when comparing older braille displays 
>> and new ones, is the multiple connections. My 4th gen Focus 14 connects to 
>> one device at a time, however it does automatically connect. So, if I am on 
>> my iPhone using it, lock that phone and move over to my iPad, the Focus 
>> works with that device. 
>> 
>> Is that the difference? The new displays connect to multiple devices, but I 
>> need to reestablish the connection?
>> 
>> Back to the Mantis specifically, could I use the keyboard on my lap?
>> 
>> As far as I understand, I’d purchase Mantis directly through APH right? I’m 
>> not super familiar with them as far as a store goes. Last year I bought some 
>> slate & stylus supplies. :) That’s the extent of my consumer experience.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Traci
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 12:45 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is  more like a laptop keyboard. However, the keys are a comfortable 
>>> size, spacing is comfortable, and the key action is very good. I found it 
>>> very easy to type on.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 2, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Traci Duncan >>> > wrote:
 
 The YouTube video I watch said it was like a laptop keyboard. Not large, 
 but not a small mobile keyboard. I don’t know the dimensions.
 
 Traci
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 2, 2021, at 11:36 AM, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Well, thanks but I don’t think I contact the person.
> I just wanted to know if its a full query keyboard or a small laptop one?
> /A
> 
>> 2 mars 2021 kl. 20:27 skrev Traci Duncan > >:
>> 
>> Hi someone replied to me off list, which I am fine with, however I 
>> didn’t find any text. It was some sort of confidential email link.
>> 
>> fidmarine1...@gmail.com  If you are this 
>> person, feel free to send your reply again with text in the body. :) 
>> 
>> Traci
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 10:01 AM, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Yes I am also very interested in this unit.
>>> I still like my Focus 40 but a display with built-in query keyboard is 
>>> something I’ve only seen on the Inka display and the Papenmeier 
>>> displays.
>>> /A
>>> 
 2 mars 2021 kl. 18:57 skrev Traci Duncan >>> >:
 
 It has been a while since this device has come out. I wondered if 
 those of you that are using it could update the groups with your 
 experience.
 
 Connectivity, ease of use, switching between phone, tablet, computer, 
 etc.
 
 I’m very interested in the Mantis Q40, but admittedly nervous about 

Re: Feedback update Mantis Q40

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Tracy,

That's one drawback to the Mantis. When you switch devices, you have to do it 
manually from the device. I didn't keep mine, so I don't remember the exact 
process, and the latest update may have made the process more streamline. 
Joseph can speak to that better than I.

Using the keyboard in your lap is, in my opinion, a place where the Mantis 
truly excels. I loved being able to just put my phone or my iPad on the coffee 
table, set the Mantis in my lap, and just do everything from there. If you're a 
qwerty user, that feature alone is truly awesome!

BTW, the reason I did not keep the mantis was because I wanted a more robust 
editor. I don't care much about calendars, stopwatch timers, and stuff like 
that, because I just use my phone for those things. But I do want the option to 
do editing independently of my i-device. Mostly, the editor on the Mantis is 
pretty good, but it has some file size limitations that didn't work for me. 
That said, I'm still very interested in the Mantis, and I suspect that 
eventually, I will own one.

The staff at APH are very helpful. I found them to be great to deal with. The 
user list for the Mantis is full of helpful people, and when I returned my 
unit, the return was handled promptly, with no questions asked. The one 
drawback is that at that time--and I think maybe still--the Mantis was 
back-ordered. So they had my money for a good month(ish) before I got my unit. 
I imagine that either has changed, or will change, because the back order was 
due to supply chain issues related to COVID.

Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Mar 3, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So something I’m still not clear on when comparing older braille displays and 
> new ones, is the multiple connections. My 4th gen Focus 14 connects to one 
> device at a time, however it does automatically connect. So, if I am on my 
> iPhone using it, lock that phone and move over to my iPad, the Focus works 
> with that device. 
> 
> Is that the difference? The new displays connect to multiple devices, but I 
> need to reestablish the connection?
> 
> Back to the Mantis specifically, could I use the keyboard on my lap?
> 
> As far as I understand, I’d purchase Mantis directly through APH right? I’m 
> not super familiar with them as far as a store goes. Last year I bought some 
> slate & stylus supplies. :) That’s the extent of my consumer experience.
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 12:45 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> It is  more like a laptop keyboard. However, the keys are a comfortable 
>> size, spacing is comfortable, and the key action is very good. I found it 
>> very easy to type on.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Traci Duncan >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The YouTube video I watch said it was like a laptop keyboard. Not large, 
>>> but not a small mobile keyboard. I don’t know the dimensions.
>>> 
>>> Traci
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 2, 2021, at 11:36 AM, Anders Holmberg >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi!
 Well, thanks but I don’t think I contact the person.
 I just wanted to know if its a full query keyboard or a small laptop one?
 /A
 
> 2 mars 2021 kl. 20:27 skrev Traci Duncan  >:
> 
> Hi someone replied to me off list, which I am fine with, however I didn’t 
> find any text. It was some sort of confidential email link.
> 
> fidmarine1...@gmail.com  If you are this 
> person, feel free to send your reply again with text in the body. :) 
> 
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 10:01 AM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Yes I am also very interested in this unit.
>> I still like my Focus 40 but a display with built-in query keyboard is 
>> something I’ve only seen on the Inka display and the Papenmeier displays.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 2 mars 2021 kl. 18:57 skrev Traci Duncan >> >:
>>> 
>>> It has been a while since this device has come out. I wondered if those 
>>> of you that are using it could update the groups with your experience.
>>> 
>>> Connectivity, ease of use, switching between phone, tablet, computer, 
>>> etc.
>>> 
>>> I’m very interested in the Mantis Q40, but admittedly nervous about 
>>> such a large purchase. I own a Focus 14 Blue and purchased that in 2013.
>>> 
>>> Thank you for any user experience you share.
>>> 
>>> Traci
>>> 
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Re: Getting rid of annoying AccessBeE messages

[Jonathan Cohn]

My apologies, I guess that message went out as plain text as the links did not 
work.
First: the better is linked in this message to the site.   
Note, I had never before seen any references to this app. Just for fullness the 
URL is:
https://better.fyi/ 
The web page does have a nice philosophy, and it sounds like you can either buy 
it from the app store or download it for free with a contribute as you see fit 
model much like NVDA).


Secondly, the article I included can be found here 
. It had a few other links in it. I 
will paste the URL again below but since it did not work the first time, I 
expect it might not work this time either.
https://sclower.github.io/accessibegone/ 



Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Mar 1, 2021, at 01:59, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
>> sclower.github.io/

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Re: Feedback update Mantis Q40

[Traci Duncan]

Hi all,

So something I’m still not clear on when comparing older braille displays and 
new ones, is the multiple connections. My 4th gen Focus 14 connects to one 
device at a time, however it does automatically connect. So, if I am on my 
iPhone using it, lock that phone and move over to my iPad, the Focus works with 
that device. 

Is that the difference? The new displays connect to multiple devices, but I 
need to reestablish the connection?

Back to the Mantis specifically, could I use the keyboard on my lap?

As far as I understand, I’d purchase Mantis directly through APH right? I’m not 
super familiar with them as far as a store goes. Last year I bought some slate 
& stylus supplies. :) That’s the extent of my consumer experience.

Thanks,
Traci


> On Mar 2, 2021, at 12:45 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> It is  more like a laptop keyboard. However, the keys are a comfortable size, 
> spacing is comfortable, and the key action is very good. I found it very easy 
> to type on.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Traci Duncan > > wrote:
>> 
>> The YouTube video I watch said it was like a laptop keyboard. Not large, but 
>> not a small mobile keyboard. I don’t know the dimensions.
>> 
>> Traci
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 11:36 AM, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Well, thanks but I don’t think I contact the person.
>>> I just wanted to know if its a full query keyboard or a small laptop one?
>>> /A
>>> 
 2 mars 2021 kl. 20:27 skrev Traci Duncan >>> >:
 
 Hi someone replied to me off list, which I am fine with, however I didn’t 
 find any text. It was some sort of confidential email link.
 
 fidmarine1...@gmail.com  If you are this 
 person, feel free to send your reply again with text in the body. :) 
 
 Traci
 
 
> On Mar 2, 2021, at 10:01 AM, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Yes I am also very interested in this unit.
> I still like my Focus 40 but a display with built-in query keyboard is 
> something I’ve only seen on the Inka display and the Papenmeier displays.
> /A
> 
>> 2 mars 2021 kl. 18:57 skrev Traci Duncan > >:
>> 
>> It has been a while since this device has come out. I wondered if those 
>> of you that are using it could update the groups with your experience.
>> 
>> Connectivity, ease of use, switching between phone, tablet, computer, 
>> etc.
>> 
>> I’m very interested in the Mantis Q40, but admittedly nervous about such 
>> a large purchase. I own a Focus 14 Blue and purchased that in 2013.
>> 
>> Thank you for any user experience you share.
>> 
>> Traci
>> 
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Re: Apple mail on Mac

[Brad Snyder]

Good point.  Should have caught that myself.
I don’t think I've ever had a VIP folder on my Mac Mail app.  I’ve had several 
different Macs over the years, and don’t remember ever having one, or doing 
anything to get rid of it.  I could be wrong, and probably am.
I do see the VIP folder as an option on my iOS devices, just not on my Macs.

- Brad -


On Mar 3, 2021, at 06:35, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

I am fairly confident that the VIP mail folders is a Apple thing. Google tends 
to go with the "important" label for marking things to look at quickly.
FOr me VIPs shows up in my favorites area and if I hit vo-shift-m on it there 
is a option to remove it from favorites.
  
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Mar 2, 2021, at 18:28, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> I wasn't aware that I had a vip folder either. could be a gmail thing though.
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 4:33 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t experience this, but I don’t have a VIP folder.
>> Perhaps this is a Gmail thing.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 14:40, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> lately each time I open an email on my Mac it says: "Mark as vip" before it 
>> starts reading the email. this is in Catalina. I don't want to hear that 
>> every time. is there a way to get rid of it?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: Apple mail on Mac

[Jonathan Cohn]

I am fairly confident that the VIP mail folders is a Apple thing. Google tends 
to go with the "important" label for marking things to look at quickly.
FOr me VIPs shows up in my favorites area and if I hit vo-shift-m on it there 
is a option to remove it from favorites.
  
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Mar 2, 2021, at 18:28, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I wasn't aware that I had a vip folder either. could be a gmail thing though.
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 4:33 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
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>> I don’t experience this, but I don’t have a VIP folder.
>> Perhaps this is a Gmail thing.
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>> - Brad -
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>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 14:40, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
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>> lately each time I open an email on my Mac it says: "Mark as vip" before it 
>> starts reading the email. this is in Catalina. I don't want to hear that 
>> every time. is there a way to get rid of it?
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Re: command to turn off grouping for the current table?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,
Did you attempt to find this command on your own? My apologies for asking, but 
you continue to ask fairly basic questions here. 
Try pressing VO-H twice and then typing in either interact or table.  and then 
pressing down arrow a few times.


When I did this I quickly came across 
toggle table interactivity  control option command equals 
On the US keyboard the equals sign is the key directly to the left of the 
delete key. As recently discussed Windows calls this key backspace to 
distinguish it from the forward delete key though I am fairly sure that my 
electric typewriter with correction tape called it delete. Just another case 
where Microsoft messed with norms.  Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



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> May I know the command to turn off grouping for the current table, please?
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