Re: Apple HomePod Discontinued: Apple to Focus on Smaller, HomePod Mini, USA Today

[Mike Arrigo]

I'm not sure how much the Home Pod mini sells for, I've heard the larger home 
pod sounds really good, but it was more expensive than the echo or google home 
series, and it sounds like you are confirming what the reviews have said, the 
capabilities are lacking compared to the Echo and google home devices.

> On Mar 14, 2021, at 9:05 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I couldn’t agree more, Donna. I was really disappointed. The problem with the 
> homePod isn’t the speaker, it’s Apple and that god awful Siri. They really 
> have not done what they should be doing with that. And there’s no way I’m 
> interested in any HomePod mini. Why? I bought a pair of HomePods for the 
> sound, and it’s very good. For 400 bucks, it sounds almost as good as 
> speakers I paid more for in the past. But now it’s discontinued, so I guess 
> maybe it won’t get more updates? What a rip! Apple, you really screwed it up!
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2021, at 5:55 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, that’s too bad. The sound on the HomePod is much better than the mini.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 14, 2021, at 7:52 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> Well, I knew this day would come.  I did not think it would happen so soon
>>> but .
>>> 
>>> Since purchasing my original HomePod, all I have asked Apple to do was to
>>> add a device-specific equalizer so as to allow listeners to customize the
>>> sounds balance.  This feature has long since been available on the Amazon
>>> Echo devices.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> Apple HomePod Discontinued: Apple to Focus on Smaller, HomePod Mini, USA
>>> Today
>>> 
>>> Apple to discontinue original HomePod and says it will focus efforts on
>>> HomePod mini
>>> 
>>> Apple will discontinue its original HomePod four years after first releasing
>>> the smart speaker.
>>> 
>>> The Cupertino, California-based tech giant says it will instead focus on its
>>> new and smaller HomePod mini, which went on sale in November for $99.
>>> "We are discontinuing the original HomePod, it will continue to be available
>>> while supplies last through the Apple Online Store, Apple Retail Stores and
>>> Apple Authorized Resellers," Apple said in a statement, reported by
>>> TechCrunch. "We are focusing our efforts on HomePod mini."
>>> 
>>> Apple didn't immediately respond Saturday to USA TODAY's request for
>>> comment. As of Saturday, the HomePod was selling for $299 on Apple's website
>>> with the mini available for $99.
>>> 
>>> Apple first entered the smart speaker market in 2018 with the original
>>> HomePod, first priced at $349, but dogged by complaints that the speaker did
>>> little more than just play music. It was dwarfed by sales of Amazon's Echo,
>>> the No. 1 best-selling smart speaker, and what was originally called the
>>> Google Home.
>>> 
>>> The new HomePod mini can access apps on the iPhone using Siri, such as
>>> calendar, messages, or Music. The speaker also features an intercom and the
>>> ability to send messages from HomePod Mini to any Apple device, even
>>> AirPods.
>>> 
>>> The smart speaker incorporates computational audio, which applies tuning
>>> models to bolster its sound. When announcing the new speaker in November,
>>> Apple said it would add a feature recognizing when your iPhone is near so
>>> music can easily transfer from playing on iPhone to HomePod mini and trigger
>>> visual and haptic responses on the phone.
>>> 
>>> In January, Apple posted record revenue of $111.4 billion during its 2021
>>> fiscal first quarter, a 21% increase from the same period a year ago.
>>> 
>>> The company reported selling more iPhones and iPads, and hit a new revenue
>>> high from its services, such as Apple TV+, from October through December
>>> 2020, as consumers got new devices and used them more during the coronavirus
>>> pandemic. 
>>> 
>>> Contributing: Mike Snider, Brett Molina and Jefferson Graham, USA TODAY
>>> 
>>> Original Article at:
>>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2021/03/13/homepod-discontinued-app
>>> le-focusing-efforts-homepod-mini/468041/
>>> 
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RE: Apple HomePod Discontinued: Apple to Focus on Smaller, HomePod Mini, USA Today

[matthew dyer]

Hi, 

My only complante with apple is þ they don't have access to Sirius XM as least 
not through the speaker.  I have considered a google home for that or an amazon 
speaker.

Matthew



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Subject: Re: Apple HomePod Discontinued: Apple to Focus on Smaller, HomePod 
Mini, USA Today

Thanks for the link you sent in another message, I will be responding. My 
problem is that a lot of the stations I want our foreign language. And the 
Amazon devices and the Google devices will play them. Siri won’t. Why not? And 
even HomePod aside, Siri just sends me to the web far too often. Even on the 
watch. That’s ridiculous. Apple bought the leading AI of its time and totally 
lost it. I don’t want apple digging into my privacy matters. So I totally agree 
with you there. But I don’t think you have to know all about me in order to 
play a given radio station in a foreign country that exists on a service with 
which Apple supposedly has connections. It’s just screwed up. This is one area 
where Apple totally lost it. And it’s so sad. The homePod‘s are really nice 
speakers in my opinion.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 14, 2021, at 8:11 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, far be it from me to defend Siri, but she's gotten a lot better, at 
> least with regard to playing radio stations. I can now get her to play every 
> station I want to hear, either from public radio, Tune-In, or iHeart.  You 
> might give that another try.
> 
> I don't get why some music just won't play, and that's still an issue. I 
> mean, it would make sense if they had foreign language titles, but some of 
> the albums that give the most trouble don't. I've just solved that by 
> creating  playlist with the album, and giving it a different name. But you're 
> right, that shouldn't be necessary.
> 
> All this said, I don't see how focusing on the Mini is going to fix those 
> issues. The albums that won't play on my HomePod, also won't play on the mini.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2021, at 10:03 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> I agree with you with regard to privacy issues. But I honestly don’t think 
>> Apple has done what they could or should have done with Siri and never mind 
>> privacy issues. That is, privacy issues shouldn’t matter in these cases. 
>> Why, for instance, can’t you get radio stations around the world to play 
>> reliably? Why doesn’t music always play reliably? Why can’t you switch among 
>> music providers? Apple made a really nice speaker, better than Google 
>> certainly, and I don’t have the Amazon studio, so I can’t compare. I mean 
>> really. HomePod aside, Siri still get an awful lot of stuff wrong, and still 
>> sends you to the web Waymore than it should. Didn’t Apple say that was one 
>> of their big focuses for this year? Well, they blew it. So now, I have my 
>> nice HomePods which may or may not ever see any more upgrades. The 
>> performance is not reliable. It’s not the speaker. It’s the infrastructure. 
>> Apple screwed up.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Mar 14, 2021, at 7:44 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Mary,
>>> 
>>> I'm sure everyone on this list knows I've had my frustrations with Siri. 
>>> lol That said, I'd still rather have Siri than either Alexa or Google. Not 
>>> that any company has a flawless track record, but I trust Apple's handling 
>>> of privacy issues much more than either Amazon or Google. Also, none of the 
>>> Amazon devices I've listened to sound as good as the HomePod does.
>>> 
>>> I have a couple of minis and they're fine as sort of satellite  Siris that 
>>> can also play music. I have one in the bedroom, and one down in the 
>>> exercise room. Neither are places where I'm totally focused on the sound 
>>> quality so it's fine. But I would never want a Mini in one of the main 
>>> living spaces of the house.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Mar 14, 2021, at 9:05 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 I couldn’t agree more, Donna. I was really disappointed. The problem with 
 the homePod isn’t the speaker, it’s Apple and that god awful Siri. They 
 really have not done what they should be doing with that. And there’s no 
 way I’m interested in any HomePod mini. Why? I bought a pair of HomePods 
 for the sound, and it’s very good. For 400 bucks, it sounds almost as good 
 as speakers I paid more for in the past. But now it’s discontinued, so I 
 guess maybe it won’t get more updates? What a rip! Apple, you really 
 screwed it up!
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Mar 14, 2021, at 5:55 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
> 
> Wow, that’s too bad. The sound on the HomePod is much better than the 
> mini.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iP

Re: send feedback to Apple re HomePod

[Karen Lewellen]

..and speaking personally?
This is one of those intersect issues.
The more people who share the send feedback idea  everywhere, and I mean 
everywhere, the twitter feeds of programs and artists you enjoy with our 
homepod for example, the more likely Apple will pay attention.

Kare



On Mon, 15 Mar 2021, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Anders,

First, your probably right, my feedback won’t change anything. But at least 
it’s worth a try. See the earlier thread for why discontinuing the homepod is a 
bad decision. That’s been addressed already.
Cheers,
Donna


Sent from my iPad


On Mar 15, 2021, at 7:37 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Why is that a bad decision?
Explain that to me please.
I never considered to buy one and I don’t see the reason to have one either.
There are tons of speakers out there and the HomePod has not even come to my 
country yet.
I also doubt that It will will comeback no matter how much feedback you give.
/A


15 mars 2021 kl. 04:04 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
:

Hi all,

I just sent feedback to Apple regarding their decision to discontinue the 
HomePod. I would encourage anyone else who sees this as a bad decision to do 
the same. You can send feedback by going to this link:
https://www.apple.com/feedback/
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: Searching For Particular Messages In Mail on Catalina

[Brad Snyder]

On my Mac mini, using Mac Mail, on Catalina,, I was able to search for mail 
from an individual sender as follows:

1.  I navigated to, and interacted with the ToolBar in the Mail app.
2.  After interacting with the ToolBar, I pressed VO + Home, which landed me in 
the Search text field.
3.  Next, I typed in the first few letters of the sender’s name, then used the 
down arrow to access a drop-down list of result categories, and selected the 
most relevant result, and then pressed Enter.
4.  I then used VO + J, to navigate to the Mailbox list, where the results of 
my search are listed.

Note:
1.  I am using Column Layout.
2.  When finished, I returned to the Search edit box in the ToolBar, to clear 
my search criteria.
3.  I am using a full size keyboard, with extended keys.  If using the smaller 
MacBook keyboard, use FN + VO + RightArrow, to navigate to the Search edit 
field, after interacting with the ToolBar.


- Brad -


On Mar 15, 2021, at 12:30, Pete De Vasto  wrote:

Hi all,

In Mail on Catalina, I want to find a message from a particular person. I can 
get to the toolbar and a search button within that toolbar, but VO keeps saying 
Search popup button, and I can’t seem to be able to get into an edit box where 
I can type what I’m looking for. Doing Command+F to invoke the Find command 
isn’t doing what I want, either, so I’m probably missing something very 
obvious, or maybe going about this search in the wrong way. I’d appreciate any 
help and/or ideas on this.

Thanks,
Pete De Vasto

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Searching For Particular Messages In Mail on Catalina

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi all,

In Mail on Catalina, I want to find a message from a particular person. I can 
get to the toolbar and a search button within that toolbar, but VO keeps saying 
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Re: send feedback to Apple re HomePod

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I have both. And I think the base on the mini is really lacking. don't get me 
wrong, for what it is, it's great.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 15, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> If you have not had the opportunity, I encourage you to check out the sound 
> of the Mini. I As someone who is vary picky about sound, I’m impressed with 
> what Apple has done. I also think the Mini has more base. 
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2021, at 10:53, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, this is probably subjective, then. Personally, I don't think the sound 
>> on the mini can touch the sound on the HomePod. I agree that the smaller 
>> size is nice, but I wouldn't sacrifice the sound of the bigger HomePod.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2021, at 10:50 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> If you don’t mind me asking, why do you see this as a bad idea? I’m not so 
>>> sure I agree. Apple now has the HomePod mini which has more up-to-date 
>>> hardware, just as good of a sound, and better size. I have the big one and 
>>> my wife has the Mini, and honestly, I find the big one a bit to big. I 
>>> could much more easily fit two Mini’s on my desk for a stereo pair.
>>> Herbie
>>> 
 On Mar 14, 2021, at 22:04, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I just sent feedback to Apple regarding their decision to discontinue the 
 HomePod. I would encourage anyone else who sees this as a bad decision to 
 do the same. You can send feedback by going to this link:
 https://www.apple.com/feedback/ 
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Re: send feedback to Apple re HomePod

[Herbie Allen]

If you have not had the opportunity, I encourage you to check out the sound of 
the Mini. I As someone who is vary picky about sound, I’m impressed with what 
Apple has done. I also think the Mini has more base. 

> On Mar 15, 2021, at 10:53, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, this is probably subjective, then. Personally, I don't think the sound 
> on the mini can touch the sound on the HomePod. I agree that the smaller size 
> is nice, but I wouldn't sacrifice the sound of the bigger HomePod.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2021, at 10:50 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> If you don’t mind me asking, why do you see this as a bad idea? I’m not so 
>> sure I agree. Apple now has the HomePod mini which has more up-to-date 
>> hardware, just as good of a sound, and better size. I have the big one and 
>> my wife has the Mini, and honestly, I find the big one a bit to big. I could 
>> much more easily fit two Mini’s on my desk for a stereo pair.
>> Herbie
>> 
>>> On Mar 14, 2021, at 22:04, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I just sent feedback to Apple regarding their decision to discontinue the 
>>> HomePod. I would encourage anyone else who sees this as a bad decision to 
>>> do the same. You can send feedback by going to this link:
>>> https://www.apple.com/feedback/ 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: send feedback to Apple re HomePod

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Well, this is probably subjective, then. Personally, I don't think the sound on 
the mini can touch the sound on the HomePod. I agree that the smaller size is 
nice, but I wouldn't sacrifice the sound of the bigger HomePod.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Mar 15, 2021, at 10:50 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> Hi,
> If you don’t mind me asking, why do you see this as a bad idea? I’m not so 
> sure I agree. Apple now has the HomePod mini which has more up-to-date 
> hardware, just as good of a sound, and better size. I have the big one and my 
> wife has the Mini, and honestly, I find the big one a bit to big. I could 
> much more easily fit two Mini’s on my desk for a stereo pair.
> Herbie
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2021, at 22:04, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just sent feedback to Apple regarding their decision to discontinue the 
>> HomePod. I would encourage anyone else who sees this as a bad decision to do 
>> the same. You can send feedback by going to this link:
>> https://www.apple.com/feedback/ 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: send feedback to Apple re HomePod

[Herbie Allen]

Hi,
If you don’t mind me asking, why do you see this as a bad idea? I’m not so sure 
I agree. Apple now has the HomePod mini which has more up-to-date hardware, 
just as good of a sound, and better size. I have the big one and my wife has 
the Mini, and honestly, I find the big one a bit to big. I could much more 
easily fit two Mini’s on my desk for a stereo pair.
Herbie

> On Mar 14, 2021, at 22:04, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> I just sent feedback to Apple regarding their decision to discontinue the 
> HomePod. I would encourage anyone else who sees this as a bad decision to do 
> the same. You can send feedback by going to this link:
> https://www.apple.com/feedback/ 
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: send feedback to Apple re HomePod

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi,
that sounds very negative to me. Apple proved several times their ability and 
willingness to react on users feedback. I myself had once a chat with Apple 
Irland about huge issues in Preview in Mac OS Lion. And what shall I say. They 
found the issue and solved it in an update 3 months later. Even Tim Cook was 
involved. That’s a thing only Apple can do. I’ve never experienced this in my 
time as a Windows user.
So in my opinion it’s always worth a feedback.
All the best
Jürgen

> Am 15.03.2021 um 13:37 schrieb Anders Holmberg :
> 
> Hi!
> Why is that a bad decision?
> Explain that to me please.
> I never considered to buy one and I don’t see the reason to have one either.
> There are tons of speakers out there and the HomePod has not even come to my 
> country yet.
> I also doubt that It will will comeback no matter how much feedback you give.
> /A
> 
>> 15 mars 2021 kl. 04:04 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just sent feedback to Apple regarding their decision to discontinue the 
>> HomePod. I would encourage anyone else who sees this as a bad decision to do 
>> the same. You can send feedback by going to this link:
>> https://www.apple.com/feedback/ 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: send feedback to Apple re HomePod

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I hope you’re right. :) 
Cheers,
Donna


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>> On Mar 15, 2021, at 7:52 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Anders,
>> 
>> First, your probably right, my feedback won’t change anything. But at least 
>> it’s worth a try. See the earlier thread for why discontinuing the homepod 
>> is a bad decision. That’s been addressed already.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On Mar 15, 2021, at 7:37 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Why is that a bad decision?
>>> Explain that to me please.
>>> I never considered to buy one and I don’t see the reason to have one either.
>>> There are tons of speakers out there and the HomePod has not even come to 
>>> my country yet.
>>> I also doubt that It will will comeback no matter how much feedback you 
>>> give.
>>> /A
>>> 
 15 mars 2021 kl. 04:04 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 :
 
 Hi all,
 
 I just sent feedback to Apple regarding their decision to discontinue the 
 HomePod. I would encourage anyone else who sees this as a bad decision to 
 do the same. You can send feedback by going to this link:
 https://www.apple.com/feedback/ 
 Cheers,
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Re: Apple HomePod Discontinued: Apple to Focus on Smaller, HomePod Mini, USA Today

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thank you! I must have just overlooked it.
Cheers,
Donna


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> On Mar 15, 2021, at 8:24 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> oh good. Now I know I can use this saying. :-)
> 
> You can find the setting via the Home app. Open HomePod settings and scroll 
> down to Music & Podcast headline. Below you’ll find the setting. to adjust 
> the volume automatically. Should be the third setting.
> 
> All the best
> Jürgen
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 15.03.2021 um 13:59 schrieb 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi Jurgen,
>> 
>> We have the exact same expression in English, don’t bet on the wrong horse. 
>> So your translation was perfect. :)
>> 
>> I haven’t noticed volume problems on the Mini, but I don’t use it to listen 
>> to music nearly as often. I like having a music and Siri device in parts of 
>> the house where I wouldn’t spend the money on good speakers, but that’s as 
>> far as the mini goes, in my opinion.
>> 
>> Where is the setting to adjust volume automatically between songs? I didn’t 
>> know that was there, and I’d definitely check it.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Mar 15, 2021, at 2:37 AM, Jürgen Fleger  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I totally agree with you both. It seems Apple continius a poorer device, 
>>> still good but poorer, which suffers from the same Siri issues like its 
>>> bigger brothers. Sounds worse but has the same issues. And even more of it 
>>> as I experience my HomePod Mini. 
>>> Additionally to the issues you mentioned I‘m not able to increase or 
>>> decrease Siris volume. Yes I can tell her to decrease volume but after one 
>>> or two requests the volume goes up automatically. I hear music very often 
>>> on volume 1 in my bedroom on a Mini. Often the second song is played in an 
>>> increased volume. Even though I checked the option to adjust volume 
>>> automatically between songs. 
>>> So I love my original HomePods because of their great sound and I hope 
>>> Apple doesn‘t bets on the wrong horse. I don‘t know if I can translate this 
>>> german saying literally but you might know what I mean.
>>> All the best
>>> Jürgen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Von meinem iPad Pro gesendet
>>> 
 Am 15.03.2021 um 04:37 schrieb Mary Otten :
 
 Thanks for the link you sent in another message, I will be responding. My 
 problem is that a lot of the stations I want our foreign language. And the 
 Amazon devices and the Google devices will play them. Siri won’t. Why not? 
 And even HomePod aside, Siri just sends me to the web far too often. Even 
 on the watch. That’s ridiculous. Apple bought the leading AI of its time 
 and totally lost it. I don’t want apple digging into my privacy matters. 
 So I totally agree with you there. But I don’t think you have to know all 
 about me in order to play a given radio station in a foreign country that 
 exists on a service with which Apple supposedly has connections. It’s just 
 screwed up. This is one area where Apple totally lost it. And it’s so sad. 
 The homePod‘s are really nice speakers in my opinion.
 Mary
 
 
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>> On Mar 14, 2021, at 8:11 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
> Well, far be it from me to defend Siri, but she's gotten a lot better, 
> at least with regard to playing radio stations. I can now get her to play 
> every station I want to hear, either from public radio, Tune-In, or 
> iHeart.  You might give that another try.
> I don't get why some music just won't play, and that's still an issue. I 
> mean, it would make sense if they had foreign language titles, but some 
> of the albums that give the most trouble don't. I've just solved that by 
> creating  playlist with the album, and giving it a different name. But 
> you're right, that shouldn't be necessary.
> All this said, I don't see how focusing on the Mini is going to fix those 
> issues. The albums that won't play on my HomePod, also won't play on the 
> mini.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>>> On Mar 14, 2021, at 10:03 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> Hi Donna,
>> I agree with you with regard to privacy issues. But I honestly don’t 
>> think Apple has done what they could or should have done with Siri and 
>> never mind privacy issues. That is, privacy issues shouldn’t matter in 
>> these cases. Why, for instance, can’t you get radio stations around the 
>> world to play reliably? Why doesn’t music always play reliably? Why 
>> can’t you switch among music providers? Apple made a really nice 
>> speaker, better than Google certainly, and I don’t have the Amazon 
>> studio, so I can’t compare. I mean really. HomePod aside, Siri still get 
>> an awful lot of stuff wrong, and still sends you to the web Waymore than 
>> it should. Didn’t Apple say that was one of their big focuses for this 
>> year? Well, they

Re: send feedback to Apple re HomePod

[kliph miller Sr]

I have a feeling apple has something big coming up, they never come to these 
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> On Mar 15, 2021, at 7:52 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Anders,
> 
> First, your probably right, my feedback won’t change anything. But at least 
> it’s worth a try. See the earlier thread for why discontinuing the homepod is 
> a bad decision. That’s been addressed already.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2021, at 7:37 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Why is that a bad decision?
>> Explain that to me please.
>> I never considered to buy one and I don’t see the reason to have one either.
>> There are tons of speakers out there and the HomePod has not even come to my 
>> country yet.
>> I also doubt that It will will comeback no matter how much feedback you give.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 15 mars 2021 kl. 04:04 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I just sent feedback to Apple regarding their decision to discontinue the 
>>> HomePod. I would encourage anyone else who sees this as a bad decision to 
>>> do the same. You can send feedback by going to this link:
>>> https://www.apple.com/feedback/ 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: Apple HomePod Discontinued: Apple to Focus on Smaller, HomePod Mini, USA Today

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Donna,

oh good. Now I know I can use this saying. :-)

You can find the setting via the Home app. Open HomePod settings and scroll 
down to Music & Podcast headline. Below you’ll find the setting. to adjust the 
volume automatically. Should be the third setting.

All the best
Jürgen



> Am 15.03.2021 um 13:59 schrieb 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi Jurgen,
> 
> We have the exact same expression in English, don’t bet on the wrong horse. 
> So your translation was perfect. :)
> 
> I haven’t noticed volume problems on the Mini, but I don’t use it to listen 
> to music nearly as often. I like having a music and Siri device in parts of 
> the house where I wouldn’t spend the money on good speakers, but that’s as 
> far as the mini goes, in my opinion.
> 
> Where is the setting to adjust volume automatically between songs? I didn’t 
> know that was there, and I’d definitely check it.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2021, at 2:37 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I totally agree with you both. It seems Apple continius a poorer device, 
>> still good but poorer, which suffers from the same Siri issues like its 
>> bigger brothers. Sounds worse but has the same issues. And even more of it 
>> as I experience my HomePod Mini. 
>> Additionally to the issues you mentioned I‘m not able to increase or 
>> decrease Siris volume. Yes I can tell her to decrease volume but after one 
>> or two requests the volume goes up automatically. I hear music very often on 
>> volume 1 in my bedroom on a Mini. Often the second song is played in an 
>> increased volume. Even though I checked the option to adjust volume 
>> automatically between songs. 
>> So I love my original HomePods because of their great sound and I hope Apple 
>> doesn‘t bets on the wrong horse. I don‘t know if I can translate this german 
>> saying literally but you might know what I mean.
>> All the best
>> Jürgen
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Von meinem iPad Pro gesendet
>> 
>>> Am 15.03.2021 um 04:37 schrieb Mary Otten :
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the link you sent in another message, I will be responding. My 
>>> problem is that a lot of the stations I want our foreign language. And the 
>>> Amazon devices and the Google devices will play them. Siri won’t. Why not? 
>>> And even HomePod aside, Siri just sends me to the web far too often. Even 
>>> on the watch. That’s ridiculous. Apple bought the leading AI of its time 
>>> and totally lost it. I don’t want apple digging into my privacy matters. So 
>>> I totally agree with you there. But I don’t think you have to know all 
>>> about me in order to play a given radio station in a foreign country that 
>>> exists on a service with which Apple supposedly has connections. It’s just 
>>> screwed up. This is one area where Apple totally lost it. And it’s so sad. 
>>> The homePod‘s are really nice speakers in my opinion.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Mar 14, 2021, at 8:11 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
 Well, far be it from me to defend Siri, but she's gotten a lot better, at 
 least with regard to playing radio stations. I can now get her to play 
 every station I want to hear, either from public radio, Tune-In, or 
 iHeart.  You might give that another try.
 I don't get why some music just won't play, and that's still an issue. I 
 mean, it would make sense if they had foreign language titles, but some of 
 the albums that give the most trouble don't. I've just solved that by 
 creating  playlist with the album, and giving it a different name. But 
 you're right, that shouldn't be necessary.
 All this said, I don't see how focusing on the Mini is going to fix those 
 issues. The albums that won't play on my HomePod, also won't play on the 
 mini.
 Cheers,
 Donna
>> On Mar 14, 2021, at 10:03 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> Hi Donna,
> I agree with you with regard to privacy issues. But I honestly don’t 
> think Apple has done what they could or should have done with Siri and 
> never mind privacy issues. That is, privacy issues shouldn’t matter in 
> these cases. Why, for instance, can’t you get radio stations around the 
> world to play reliably? Why doesn’t music always play reliably? Why can’t 
> you switch among music providers? Apple made a really nice speaker, 
> better than Google certainly, and I don’t have the Amazon studio, so I 
> can’t compare. I mean really. HomePod aside, Siri still get an awful lot 
> of stuff wrong, and still sends you to the web Waymore than it should. 
> Didn’t Apple say that was one of their big focuses for this year? Well, 
> they blew it. So now, I have my nice HomePods which may or may not ever 
> see any more upgrades. The performance is not reliable. It’s not the 
> speaker. It’s the infrastructure. Apple screwed up.
> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Mar 14, 2021, at 7:44

Re: Apple HomePod Discontinued: Apple to Focus on Smaller, HomePod Mini, USA Today

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Jurgen,

We have the exact same expression in English, don’t bet on the wrong horse. So 
your translation was perfect. :)

I haven’t noticed volume problems on the Mini, but I don’t use it to listen to 
music nearly as often. I like having a music and Siri device in parts of the 
house where I wouldn’t spend the money on good speakers, but that’s as far as 
the mini goes, in my opinion.

Where is the setting to adjust volume automatically between songs? I didn’t 
know that was there, and I’d definitely check it.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 15, 2021, at 2:37 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I totally agree with you both. It seems Apple continius a poorer device, 
> still good but poorer, which suffers from the same Siri issues like its 
> bigger brothers. Sounds worse but has the same issues. And even more of it as 
> I experience my HomePod Mini. 
> Additionally to the issues you mentioned I‘m not able to increase or decrease 
> Siris volume. Yes I can tell her to decrease volume but after one or two 
> requests the volume goes up automatically. I hear music very often on volume 
> 1 in my bedroom on a Mini. Often the second song is played in an increased 
> volume. Even though I checked the option to adjust volume automatically 
> between songs. 
> So I love my original HomePods because of their great sound and I hope Apple 
> doesn‘t bets on the wrong horse. I don‘t know if I can translate this german 
> saying literally but you might know what I mean.
> All the best
> Jürgen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Von meinem iPad Pro gesendet
> 
>> Am 15.03.2021 um 04:37 schrieb Mary Otten :
>> 
>> Thanks for the link you sent in another message, I will be responding. My 
>> problem is that a lot of the stations I want our foreign language. And the 
>> Amazon devices and the Google devices will play them. Siri won’t. Why not? 
>> And even HomePod aside, Siri just sends me to the web far too often. Even on 
>> the watch. That’s ridiculous. Apple bought the leading AI of its time and 
>> totally lost it. I don’t want apple digging into my privacy matters. So I 
>> totally agree with you there. But I don’t think you have to know all about 
>> me in order to play a given radio station in a foreign country that exists 
>> on a service with which Apple supposedly has connections. It’s just screwed 
>> up. This is one area where Apple totally lost it. And it’s so sad. The 
>> homePod‘s are really nice speakers in my opinion.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Mar 14, 2021, at 8:11 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
>>> Well, far be it from me to defend Siri, but she's gotten a lot better, at 
>>> least with regard to playing radio stations. I can now get her to play 
>>> every station I want to hear, either from public radio, Tune-In, or iHeart. 
>>>  You might give that another try.
>>> I don't get why some music just won't play, and that's still an issue. I 
>>> mean, it would make sense if they had foreign language titles, but some of 
>>> the albums that give the most trouble don't. I've just solved that by 
>>> creating  playlist with the album, and giving it a different name. But 
>>> you're right, that shouldn't be necessary.
>>> All this said, I don't see how focusing on the Mini is going to fix those 
>>> issues. The albums that won't play on my HomePod, also won't play on the 
>>> mini.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
> On Mar 14, 2021, at 10:03 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 Hi Donna,
 I agree with you with regard to privacy issues. But I honestly don’t think 
 Apple has done what they could or should have done with Siri and never 
 mind privacy issues. That is, privacy issues shouldn’t matter in these 
 cases. Why, for instance, can’t you get radio stations around the world to 
 play reliably? Why doesn’t music always play reliably? Why can’t you 
 switch among music providers? Apple made a really nice speaker, better 
 than Google certainly, and I don’t have the Amazon studio, so I can’t 
 compare. I mean really. HomePod aside, Siri still get an awful lot of 
 stuff wrong, and still sends you to the web Waymore than it should. Didn’t 
 Apple say that was one of their big focuses for this year? Well, they blew 
 it. So now, I have my nice HomePods which may or may not ever see any more 
 upgrades. The performance is not reliable. It’s not the speaker. It’s the 
 infrastructure. Apple screwed up.
 Sent from my iPhone
>> On Mar 14, 2021, at 7:44 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
> Hi, Mary,
> I'm sure everyone on this list knows I've had my frustrations with Siri. 
> lol That said, I'd still rather have Siri than either Alexa or Google. 
> Not that any company has a flawless track record, but I trust Apple's 
> handling of privacy issues much more than either Amazon or Google. Also, 
> none of the Amazon devices I've listened to sound as good as the HomePod 
> does

Re: send feedback to Apple re HomePod

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Anders,

First, your probably right, my feedback won’t change anything. But at least 
it’s worth a try. See the earlier thread for why discontinuing the homepod is a 
bad decision. That’s been addressed already.
Cheers,
Donna


Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 15, 2021, at 7:37 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Why is that a bad decision?
> Explain that to me please.
> I never considered to buy one and I don’t see the reason to have one either.
> There are tons of speakers out there and the HomePod has not even come to my 
> country yet.
> I also doubt that It will will comeback no matter how much feedback you give.
> /A
> 
>> 15 mars 2021 kl. 04:04 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just sent feedback to Apple regarding their decision to discontinue the 
>> HomePod. I would encourage anyone else who sees this as a bad decision to do 
>> the same. You can send feedback by going to this link:
>> https://www.apple.com/feedback/ 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Why is that a bad decision?
Explain that to me please.
I never considered to buy one and I don’t see the reason to have one either.
There are tons of speakers out there and the HomePod has not even come to my 
country yet.
I also doubt that It will will comeback no matter how much feedback you give.
/A

> 15 mars 2021 kl. 04:04 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just sent feedback to Apple regarding their decision to discontinue the 
> HomePod. I would encourage anyone else who sees this as a bad decision to do 
> the same. You can send feedback by going to this link:
> https://www.apple.com/feedback/ 
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Apple HomePod Discontinued: Apple to Focus on Smaller, HomePod Mini, USA Today

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi,
I totally agree with you both. It seems Apple continius a poorer device, still 
good but poorer, which suffers from the same Siri issues like its bigger 
brothers. Sounds worse but has the same issues. And even more of it as I 
experience my HomePod Mini. 
Additionally to the issues you mentioned I‘m not able to increase or decrease 
Siris volume. Yes I can tell her to decrease volume but after one or two 
requests the volume goes up automatically. I hear music very often on volume 1 
in my bedroom on a Mini. Often the second song is played in an increased 
volume. Even though I checked the option to adjust volume automatically between 
songs. 
So I love my original HomePods because of their great sound and I hope Apple 
doesn‘t bets on the wrong horse. I don‘t know if I can translate this german 
saying literally but you might know what I mean.
All the best
Jürgen






Von meinem iPad Pro gesendet

> Am 15.03.2021 um 04:37 schrieb Mary Otten :
> 
> Thanks for the link you sent in another message, I will be responding. My 
> problem is that a lot of the stations I want our foreign language. And the 
> Amazon devices and the Google devices will play them. Siri won’t. Why not? 
> And even HomePod aside, Siri just sends me to the web far too often. Even on 
> the watch. That’s ridiculous. Apple bought the leading AI of its time and 
> totally lost it. I don’t want apple digging into my privacy matters. So I 
> totally agree with you there. But I don’t think you have to know all about me 
> in order to play a given radio station in a foreign country that exists on a 
> service with which Apple supposedly has connections. It’s just screwed up. 
> This is one area where Apple totally lost it. And it’s so sad. The homePod‘s 
> are really nice speakers in my opinion.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2021, at 8:11 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> Well, far be it from me to defend Siri, but she's gotten a lot better, at 
>> least with regard to playing radio stations. I can now get her to play every 
>> station I want to hear, either from public radio, Tune-In, or iHeart.  You 
>> might give that another try.
>> I don't get why some music just won't play, and that's still an issue. I 
>> mean, it would make sense if they had foreign language titles, but some of 
>> the albums that give the most trouble don't. I've just solved that by 
>> creating  playlist with the album, and giving it a different name. But 
>> you're right, that shouldn't be necessary.
>> All this said, I don't see how focusing on the Mini is going to fix those 
>> issues. The albums that won't play on my HomePod, also won't play on the 
>> mini.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
 On Mar 14, 2021, at 10:03 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> I agree with you with regard to privacy issues. But I honestly don’t think 
>>> Apple has done what they could or should have done with Siri and never mind 
>>> privacy issues. That is, privacy issues shouldn’t matter in these cases. 
>>> Why, for instance, can’t you get radio stations around the world to play 
>>> reliably? Why doesn’t music always play reliably? Why can’t you switch 
>>> among music providers? Apple made a really nice speaker, better than Google 
>>> certainly, and I don’t have the Amazon studio, so I can’t compare. I mean 
>>> really. HomePod aside, Siri still get an awful lot of stuff wrong, and 
>>> still sends you to the web Waymore than it should. Didn’t Apple say that 
>>> was one of their big focuses for this year? Well, they blew it. So now, I 
>>> have my nice HomePods which may or may not ever see any more upgrades. The 
>>> performance is not reliable. It’s not the speaker. It’s the infrastructure. 
>>> Apple screwed up.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 14, 2021, at 7:44 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
 Hi, Mary,
 I'm sure everyone on this list knows I've had my frustrations with Siri. 
 lol That said, I'd still rather have Siri than either Alexa or Google. Not 
 that any company has a flawless track record, but I trust Apple's handling 
 of privacy issues much more than either Amazon or Google. Also, none of 
 the Amazon devices I've listened to sound as good as the HomePod does.
 I have a couple of minis and they're fine as sort of satellite  Siris that 
 can also play music. I have one in the bedroom, and one down in the 
 exercise room. Neither are places where I'm totally focused on the sound 
 quality so it's fine. But I would never want a Mini in one of the main 
 living spaces of the house.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Mar 14, 2021, at 9:05 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> I couldn’t agree more, Donna. I was really disappointed. The problem with 
> the homePod isn’t the speaker, it’s Apple and that god awful Siri. They 
> really have not done what they should be doing with that. And there’s no 
> way I’m interested in any HomePod mini. Why? I bought a p