RE: shutting down my Mac

[Les Kriegler]

I understand. I do have a USB hub, so I should be fine. I will have 14 days to 
make certain this is what I want. I am looking forward to returning to the Mac. 
I ordered a book in braille from National Braille Press on using the Mac which 
I will use for reference, along with I expect to be great assistance from this 
list. I have numerous messages saved in a folder called Apple for reference as 
well.

Best,

 

Les

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, June 1, 2021 1:24 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: shutting down my Mac

 

The TouchBar is not that big of a deal.  Once you get use to it, the absence of 
regular F-keys is a non-issue.  I really don’t miss having F-keys.  I would 
much rather have the extra USB ports 

 


- Brad -

 

On Jun 1, 2021, at 00:14, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Brad,

This was probably the main reason I went with the Air, as I wanted regular 
function keys and did not wish to deal with the Touch Bar. My unit is scheduled 
to arrive this Thursday. Meanwhile, I appreciate all of the discussion on key 
commands!

Best,

 

Les

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2021 10:53 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: shutting down my Mac

 

I have tried using CTRL + Delete on both my 2018 Mac mini, and my 2019 MacBook 
Pro 13, and have not been able to get this key-command to initiate a shut down 
on either machine.

 

I am able to use CTRL + Eject, on my 2018 Mac mini, with an Apple wired USB 
keyboard, to bring up a shut down dialogue.

This key-command does not work on my 2019 MacBook Pro 13, because TouchBar Macs 
do not have an Eject key.


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Re: shutting down my Mac

[Brad Snyder]

The TouchBar is not that big of a deal.  Once you get use to it, the absence of 
regular F-keys is a non-issue.  I really don’t miss having F-keys.  I would 
much rather have the extra USB ports 


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On Jun 1, 2021, at 00:14, Les Kriegler  wrote:

Hi Brad,
This was probably the main reason I went with the Air, as I wanted regular 
function keys and did not wish to deal with the Touch Bar. My unit is scheduled 
to arrive this Thursday. Meanwhile, I appreciate all of the discussion on key 
commands!
Best,
 
Les
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2021 10:53 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: shutting down my Mac
 
I have tried using CTRL + Delete on both my 2018 Mac mini, and my 2019 MacBook 
Pro 13, and have not been able to get this key-command to initiate a shut down 
on either machine.
 
I am able to use CTRL + Eject, on my 2018 Mac mini, with an Apple wired USB 
keyboard, to bring up a shut down dialogue.
This key-command does not work on my 2019 MacBook Pro 13, because TouchBar Macs 
do not have an Eject key.

- Brad -

 
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RE: shutting down my Mac

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Brad,

This was probably the main reason I went with the Air, as I wanted regular 
function keys and did not wish to deal with the Touch Bar. My unit is scheduled 
to arrive this Thursday. Meanwhile, I appreciate all of the discussion on key 
commands!

Best,

 

Les

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2021 10:53 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: shutting down my Mac

 

I have tried using CTRL + Delete on both my 2018 Mac mini, and my 2019 MacBook 
Pro 13, and have not been able to get this key-command to initiate a shut down 
on either machine.

 

I am able to use CTRL + Eject, on my 2018 Mac mini, with an Apple wired USB 
keyboard, to bring up a shut down dialogue.

This key-command does not work on my 2019 MacBook Pro 13, because TouchBar Macs 
do not have an Eject key.


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shutting down my Mac

[Brad Snyder]

I have tried using CTRL + Delete on both my 2018 Mac mini, and my 2019 MacBook 
Pro 13, and have not been able to get this key-command to initiate a shut down 
on either machine.

I am able to use CTRL + Eject, on my 2018 Mac mini, with an Apple wired USB 
keyboard, to bring up a shut down dialogue.
This key-command does not work on my 2019 MacBook Pro 13, because TouchBar Macs 
do not have an Eject key.

- Brad -


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Re: problem with my Mac mini

[Brad Snyder]

If you leave your Mac sitting long enough, it will go to sleep, and eventually 
lock itself.

- Brad -


On May 31, 2021, at 19:30, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

No, locking your Mac brings up the Login screen, but does not actually log you 
out.  In time, it will likely go to sleep according to its regular schedule 
though.  By locking your Mac, the apps and windows that are open remain ready 
for you once you unlock it.  It’s a much faster response than logging out or 
waking from sleep.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On May 31, 2021, at 6:20 PM, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> is locking your Mac the equivalent of putting it to sleep?
> 
>> On May 31, 2021, at 7:18 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> The key-command CTRL + CMD + Q, will lock your Mac, and put you on the 
>> unlock screen.
>> You can use CMD + OPT + Escape, to open the Force Quit dialogue.
>> Force Quit is also located in the Apple Menu on the MenuBar.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On May 31, 2021, at 19:04, Phil Halton > > wrote:
>> 
>> I just use that command option shift escape key combo and it kicked me out 
>> to the login screen and I had to go through the login process again. I can 
>> never remember what the force quit keystroke is but I don’t think that’s it. 
>> I just want to get to that table of apps that you can select for force 
>> quitting. But that keystroke combo didn’t get me there.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 31, 2021, at 6:23 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The key-command CMD + OPT + Shift + Escape, will Force Quit the current 
>>> application.
>>> If the current application is Finder, Finder will restart when the 
>>> key-command is performed.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 31, 2021, at 17:16, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I didn't know that keystroke either. thanks.
>>> 
 On May 31, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 Lori,
 
 Sounds like you had some sort of process running that was hanging up your 
 Mac.  When this happens, a full shut down, and restart usually fixes 
 whatever is causing the problem.  Sometimes, I find that my Mac mini is 
 really hot, when I haven’t been doing anything with it.  When this 
 happens, I always immediately shut down, and restart the system, and the 
 issue goes away.
 
 Sometimes I have the same issue where I can’t access the MenuBar with VO 
 +M, but I am able to access MenuExtras by pressing M a second time.
 When this happens, I resolve the issue by restarting Finder, by holding 
 down CMD + OPT + Shift, and then pressing the Escape key.
 This is a faster resolution, then doing a full shut down and restart.
 
 HTH.
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 On May 31, 2021, at 16:20, Lorie McCloud >>> > wrote:
 
 thanks to eerybody who helped me with my Mac. I left it off overnight and 
 turned it on when I woke up. it's behaving normally now. it's good to have 
 alternatives to the usualy shut-down proceedure because I was having 
 trouble with that. it would give me menu extras but not the menu bar.
 
> On May 30, 2021, at 11:45 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> Reboot your Mac, and see if you still hear the hiss.
> If you do, then disconnect the speakers, and see if you still hear it 
> when using headphones.
> 
> Next time you need to shut down your Mac, try the following:
> 1.  Press VO + M, to place focus on the Menubar.
> 2.  VO focus should be on the Apple menu.
> 3.  Press the DownArrow key, then type the letters “SH”.
> 4.  Now, hold down the Option key, and press Enter, to shut down your Mac.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 30, 2021, at 22:23, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> my mac mini is from the end of 2014 and I'm running Catalina. earlier 
> this evening I was listening to some music using the vlc media player. I 
> started to notice a hissing sound or white noise. at first I thought it 
> was part of the music but I paused it and the sound continued. It wasn't 
> coming out of the headphones only the speakers. the music was starting to 
> flicker or sound garbled. I quit vlc and went into the menu to turn the 
> computer off. Safari and email were both closed. my mac was responding 
> very slowly and everything kept being busy. When I finally got to "shut 
> down" it said it was going to in 43 secs or something like that but it 
> didn't. I ended up having to push the button. Any ideas as to what was 
> going on? I haven't turned it back on yet. I

Re: problem with my Mac mini

[Brad Snyder]

No, they are different.

- Brad -


On May 31, 2021, at 19:20, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

is locking your Mac the equivalent of putting it to sleep?

> On May 31, 2021, at 7:18 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> The key-command CTRL + CMD + Q, will lock your Mac, and put you on the unlock 
> screen.
> You can use CMD + OPT + Escape, to open the Force Quit dialogue.
> Force Quit is also located in the Apple Menu on the MenuBar.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 31, 2021, at 19:04, Phil Halton  > wrote:
> 
> I just use that command option shift escape key combo and it kicked me out to 
> the login screen and I had to go through the login process again. I can never 
> remember what the force quit keystroke is but I don’t think that’s it. I just 
> want to get to that table of apps that you can select for force quitting. But 
> that keystroke combo didn’t get me there.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On May 31, 2021, at 6:23 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> The key-command CMD + OPT + Shift + Escape, will Force Quit the current 
>> application.
>> If the current application is Finder, Finder will restart when the 
>> key-command is performed.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On May 31, 2021, at 17:16, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I didn't know that keystroke either. thanks.
>> 
>>> On May 31, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lori,
>>> 
>>> Sounds like you had some sort of process running that was hanging up your 
>>> Mac.  When this happens, a full shut down, and restart usually fixes 
>>> whatever is causing the problem.  Sometimes, I find that my Mac mini is 
>>> really hot, when I haven’t been doing anything with it.  When this happens, 
>>> I always immediately shut down, and restart the system, and the issue goes 
>>> away.
>>> 
>>> Sometimes I have the same issue where I can’t access the MenuBar with VO 
>>> +M, but I am able to access MenuExtras by pressing M a second time.
>>> When this happens, I resolve the issue by restarting Finder, by holding 
>>> down CMD + OPT + Shift, and then pressing the Escape key.
>>> This is a faster resolution, then doing a full shut down and restart.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 31, 2021, at 16:20, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> thanks to eerybody who helped me with my Mac. I left it off overnight and 
>>> turned it on when I woke up. it's behaving normally now. it's good to have 
>>> alternatives to the usualy shut-down proceedure because I was having 
>>> trouble with that. it would give me menu extras but not the menu bar.
>>> 
 On May 30, 2021, at 11:45 PM, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 Reboot your Mac, and see if you still hear the hiss.
 If you do, then disconnect the speakers, and see if you still hear it when 
 using headphones.
 
 Next time you need to shut down your Mac, try the following:
 1.  Press VO + M, to place focus on the Menubar.
 2.  VO focus should be on the Apple menu.
 3.  Press the DownArrow key, then type the letters “SH”.
 4.  Now, hold down the Option key, and press Enter, to shut down your Mac.
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 On May 30, 2021, at 22:23, Lorie McCloud >>> > wrote:
 
 my mac mini is from the end of 2014 and I'm running Catalina. earlier this 
 evening I was listening to some music using the vlc media player. I 
 started to notice a hissing sound or white noise. at first I thought it 
 was part of the music but I paused it and the sound continued. It wasn't 
 coming out of the headphones only the speakers. the music was starting to 
 flicker or sound garbled. I quit vlc and went into the menu to turn the 
 computer off. Safari and email were both closed. my mac was responding 
 very slowly and everything kept being busy. When I finally got to "shut 
 down" it said it was going to in 43 secs or something like that but it 
 didn't. I ended up having to push the button. Any ideas as to what was 
 going on? I haven't turned it back on yet. I'm kind of afraid to.
 
 thanks.
 Lorie
 
 
 
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Re: problem with my Mac mini

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

No, locking your Mac brings up the Login screen, but does not actually log you 
out.  In time, it will likely go to sleep according to its regular schedule 
though.  By locking your Mac, the apps and windows that are open remain ready 
for you once you unlock it.  It’s a much faster response than logging out or 
waking from sleep.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On May 31, 2021, at 6:20 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> is locking your Mac the equivalent of putting it to sleep?
> 
>> On May 31, 2021, at 7:18 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> The key-command CTRL + CMD + Q, will lock your Mac, and put you on the 
>> unlock screen.
>> You can use CMD + OPT + Escape, to open the Force Quit dialogue.
>> Force Quit is also located in the Apple Menu on the MenuBar.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On May 31, 2021, at 19:04, Phil Halton > > wrote:
>> 
>> I just use that command option shift escape key combo and it kicked me out 
>> to the login screen and I had to go through the login process again. I can 
>> never remember what the force quit keystroke is but I don’t think that’s it. 
>> I just want to get to that table of apps that you can select for force 
>> quitting. But that keystroke combo didn’t get me there.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 31, 2021, at 6:23 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The key-command CMD + OPT + Shift + Escape, will Force Quit the current 
>>> application.
>>> If the current application is Finder, Finder will restart when the 
>>> key-command is performed.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 31, 2021, at 17:16, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I didn't know that keystroke either. thanks.
>>> 
 On May 31, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 Lori,
 
 Sounds like you had some sort of process running that was hanging up your 
 Mac.  When this happens, a full shut down, and restart usually fixes 
 whatever is causing the problem.  Sometimes, I find that my Mac mini is 
 really hot, when I haven’t been doing anything with it.  When this 
 happens, I always immediately shut down, and restart the system, and the 
 issue goes away.
 
 Sometimes I have the same issue where I can’t access the MenuBar with VO 
 +M, but I am able to access MenuExtras by pressing M a second time.
 When this happens, I resolve the issue by restarting Finder, by holding 
 down CMD + OPT + Shift, and then pressing the Escape key.
 This is a faster resolution, then doing a full shut down and restart.
 
 HTH.
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 On May 31, 2021, at 16:20, Lorie McCloud >>> > wrote:
 
 thanks to eerybody who helped me with my Mac. I left it off overnight and 
 turned it on when I woke up. it's behaving normally now. it's good to have 
 alternatives to the usualy shut-down proceedure because I was having 
 trouble with that. it would give me menu extras but not the menu bar.
 
> On May 30, 2021, at 11:45 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> Reboot your Mac, and see if you still hear the hiss.
> If you do, then disconnect the speakers, and see if you still hear it 
> when using headphones.
> 
> Next time you need to shut down your Mac, try the following:
> 1.  Press VO + M, to place focus on the Menubar.
> 2.  VO focus should be on the Apple menu.
> 3.  Press the DownArrow key, then type the letters “SH”.
> 4.  Now, hold down the Option key, and press Enter, to shut down your Mac.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 30, 2021, at 22:23, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> my mac mini is from the end of 2014 and I'm running Catalina. earlier 
> this evening I was listening to some music using the vlc media player. I 
> started to notice a hissing sound or white noise. at first I thought it 
> was part of the music but I paused it and the sound continued. It wasn't 
> coming out of the headphones only the speakers. the music was starting to 
> flicker or sound garbled. I quit vlc and went into the menu to turn the 
> computer off. Safari and email were both closed. my mac was responding 
> very slowly and everything kept being busy. When I finally got to "shut 
> down" it said it was going to in 43 secs or something like that but it 
> didn't. I ended up having to push the button. Any ideas as to what was 
> going on? I haven't turned it back on yet. I'm kind of afraid to.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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Re: problem with my Mac mini

[Lorie McCloud]

is locking your Mac the equivalent of putting it to sleep?

> On May 31, 2021, at 7:18 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> The key-command CTRL + CMD + Q, will lock your Mac, and put you on the unlock 
> screen.
> You can use CMD + OPT + Escape, to open the Force Quit dialogue.
> Force Quit is also located in the Apple Menu on the MenuBar.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 31, 2021, at 19:04, Phil Halton  > wrote:
> 
> I just use that command option shift escape key combo and it kicked me out to 
> the login screen and I had to go through the login process again. I can never 
> remember what the force quit keystroke is but I don’t think that’s it. I just 
> want to get to that table of apps that you can select for force quitting. But 
> that keystroke combo didn’t get me there.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On May 31, 2021, at 6:23 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> The key-command CMD + OPT + Shift + Escape, will Force Quit the current 
>> application.
>> If the current application is Finder, Finder will restart when the 
>> key-command is performed.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On May 31, 2021, at 17:16, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I didn't know that keystroke either. thanks.
>> 
>>> On May 31, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lori,
>>> 
>>> Sounds like you had some sort of process running that was hanging up your 
>>> Mac.  When this happens, a full shut down, and restart usually fixes 
>>> whatever is causing the problem.  Sometimes, I find that my Mac mini is 
>>> really hot, when I haven’t been doing anything with it.  When this happens, 
>>> I always immediately shut down, and restart the system, and the issue goes 
>>> away.
>>> 
>>> Sometimes I have the same issue where I can’t access the MenuBar with VO 
>>> +M, but I am able to access MenuExtras by pressing M a second time.
>>> When this happens, I resolve the issue by restarting Finder, by holding 
>>> down CMD + OPT + Shift, and then pressing the Escape key.
>>> This is a faster resolution, then doing a full shut down and restart.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 31, 2021, at 16:20, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> thanks to eerybody who helped me with my Mac. I left it off overnight and 
>>> turned it on when I woke up. it's behaving normally now. it's good to have 
>>> alternatives to the usualy shut-down proceedure because I was having 
>>> trouble with that. it would give me menu extras but not the menu bar.
>>> 
 On May 30, 2021, at 11:45 PM, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 Reboot your Mac, and see if you still hear the hiss.
 If you do, then disconnect the speakers, and see if you still hear it when 
 using headphones.
 
 Next time you need to shut down your Mac, try the following:
 1.  Press VO + M, to place focus on the Menubar.
 2.  VO focus should be on the Apple menu.
 3.  Press the DownArrow key, then type the letters “SH”.
 4.  Now, hold down the Option key, and press Enter, to shut down your Mac.
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 On May 30, 2021, at 22:23, Lorie McCloud >>> > wrote:
 
 my mac mini is from the end of 2014 and I'm running Catalina. earlier this 
 evening I was listening to some music using the vlc media player. I 
 started to notice a hissing sound or white noise. at first I thought it 
 was part of the music but I paused it and the sound continued. It wasn't 
 coming out of the headphones only the speakers. the music was starting to 
 flicker or sound garbled. I quit vlc and went into the menu to turn the 
 computer off. Safari and email were both closed. my mac was responding 
 very slowly and everything kept being busy. When I finally got to "shut 
 down" it said it was going to in 43 secs or something like that but it 
 didn't. I ended up having to push the button. Any ideas as to what was 
 going on? I haven't turned it back on yet. I'm kind of afraid to.
 
 thanks.
 Lorie
 
 
 
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Re: problem with my Mac mini

[Brad Snyder]

The key-command CTRL + CMD + Q, will lock your Mac, and put you on the unlock 
screen.
You can use CMD + OPT + Escape, to open the Force Quit dialogue.
Force Quit is also located in the Apple Menu on the MenuBar.

- Brad -


On May 31, 2021, at 19:04, Phil Halton  wrote:

I just use that command option shift escape key combo and it kicked me out to 
the login screen and I had to go through the login process again. I can never 
remember what the force quit keystroke is but I don’t think that’s it. I just 
want to get to that table of apps that you can select for force quitting. But 
that keystroke combo didn’t get me there.

Sent from my IPhone


> On May 31, 2021, at 6:23 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> The key-command CMD + OPT + Shift + Escape, will Force Quit the current 
> application.
> If the current application is Finder, Finder will restart when the 
> key-command is performed.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 31, 2021, at 17:16, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> I didn't know that keystroke either. thanks.
> 
>> On May 31, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> Lori,
>> 
>> Sounds like you had some sort of process running that was hanging up your 
>> Mac.  When this happens, a full shut down, and restart usually fixes 
>> whatever is causing the problem.  Sometimes, I find that my Mac mini is 
>> really hot, when I haven’t been doing anything with it.  When this happens, 
>> I always immediately shut down, and restart the system, and the issue goes 
>> away.
>> 
>> Sometimes I have the same issue where I can’t access the MenuBar with VO +M, 
>> but I am able to access MenuExtras by pressing M a second time.
>> When this happens, I resolve the issue by restarting Finder, by holding down 
>> CMD + OPT + Shift, and then pressing the Escape key.
>> This is a faster resolution, then doing a full shut down and restart.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On May 31, 2021, at 16:20, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> thanks to eerybody who helped me with my Mac. I left it off overnight and 
>> turned it on when I woke up. it's behaving normally now. it's good to have 
>> alternatives to the usualy shut-down proceedure because I was having trouble 
>> with that. it would give me menu extras but not the menu bar.
>> 
>>> On May 30, 2021, at 11:45 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Reboot your Mac, and see if you still hear the hiss.
>>> If you do, then disconnect the speakers, and see if you still hear it when 
>>> using headphones.
>>> 
>>> Next time you need to shut down your Mac, try the following:
>>> 1.  Press VO + M, to place focus on the Menubar.
>>> 2.  VO focus should be on the Apple menu.
>>> 3.  Press the DownArrow key, then type the letters “SH”.
>>> 4.  Now, hold down the Option key, and press Enter, to shut down your Mac.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 30, 2021, at 22:23, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> my mac mini is from the end of 2014 and I'm running Catalina. earlier this 
>>> evening I was listening to some music using the vlc media player. I started 
>>> to notice a hissing sound or white noise. at first I thought it was part of 
>>> the music but I paused it and the sound continued. It wasn't coming out of 
>>> the headphones only the speakers. the music was starting to flicker or 
>>> sound garbled. I quit vlc and went into the menu to turn the computer off. 
>>> Safari and email were both closed. my mac was responding very slowly and 
>>> everything kept being busy. When I finally got to "shut down" it said it 
>>> was going to in 43 secs or something like that but it didn't. I ended up 
>>> having to push the button. Any ideas as to what was going on? I haven't 
>>> turned it back on yet. I'm kind of afraid to.
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: problem with my Mac mini

[Lorie McCloud]

forcee quit in general is: command-option-escape. in other words the key combo 
Brad said minus shift.

> On May 31, 2021, at 7:04 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I just use that command option shift escape key combo and it kicked me out to 
> the login screen and I had to go through the login process again. I can never 
> remember what the force quit keystroke is but I don’t think that’s it. I just 
> want to get to that table of apps that you can select for force quitting. But 
> that keystroke combo didn’t get me there.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On May 31, 2021, at 6:23 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> The key-command CMD + OPT + Shift + Escape, will Force Quit the current 
>> application.
>> If the current application is Finder, Finder will restart when the 
>> key-command is performed.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On May 31, 2021, at 17:16, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I didn't know that keystroke either. thanks.
>> 
>>> On May 31, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lori,
>>> 
>>> Sounds like you had some sort of process running that was hanging up your 
>>> Mac.  When this happens, a full shut down, and restart usually fixes 
>>> whatever is causing the problem.  Sometimes, I find that my Mac mini is 
>>> really hot, when I haven’t been doing anything with it.  When this happens, 
>>> I always immediately shut down, and restart the system, and the issue goes 
>>> away.
>>> 
>>> Sometimes I have the same issue where I can’t access the MenuBar with VO 
>>> +M, but I am able to access MenuExtras by pressing M a second time.
>>> When this happens, I resolve the issue by restarting Finder, by holding 
>>> down CMD + OPT + Shift, and then pressing the Escape key.
>>> This is a faster resolution, then doing a full shut down and restart.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 31, 2021, at 16:20, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> thanks to eerybody who helped me with my Mac. I left it off overnight and 
>>> turned it on when I woke up. it's behaving normally now. it's good to have 
>>> alternatives to the usualy shut-down proceedure because I was having 
>>> trouble with that. it would give me menu extras but not the menu bar.
>>> 
 On May 30, 2021, at 11:45 PM, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 Reboot your Mac, and see if you still hear the hiss.
 If you do, then disconnect the speakers, and see if you still hear it when 
 using headphones.
 
 Next time you need to shut down your Mac, try the following:
 1.  Press VO + M, to place focus on the Menubar.
 2.  VO focus should be on the Apple menu.
 3.  Press the DownArrow key, then type the letters “SH”.
 4.  Now, hold down the Option key, and press Enter, to shut down your Mac.
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 On May 30, 2021, at 22:23, Lorie McCloud >>> > wrote:
 
 my mac mini is from the end of 2014 and I'm running Catalina. earlier this 
 evening I was listening to some music using the vlc media player. I 
 started to notice a hissing sound or white noise. at first I thought it 
 was part of the music but I paused it and the sound continued. It wasn't 
 coming out of the headphones only the speakers. the music was starting to 
 flicker or sound garbled. I quit vlc and went into the menu to turn the 
 computer off. Safari and email were both closed. my mac was responding 
 very slowly and everything kept being busy. When I finally got to "shut 
 down" it said it was going to in 43 secs or something like that but it 
 didn't. I ended up having to push the button. Any ideas as to what was 
 going on? I haven't turned it back on yet. I'm kind of afraid to.
 
 thanks.
 Lorie
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: problem with my Mac mini

[Phil Halton]

I just use that command option shift escape key combo and it kicked me out to 
the login screen and I had to go through the login process again. I can never 
remember what the force quit keystroke is but I don’t think that’s it. I just 
want to get to that table of apps that you can select for force quitting. But 
that keystroke combo didn’t get me there.

Sent from my IPhone


> On May 31, 2021, at 6:23 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> The key-command CMD + OPT + Shift + Escape, will Force Quit the current 
> application.
> If the current application is Finder, Finder will restart when the 
> key-command is performed.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 31, 2021, at 17:16, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I didn't know that keystroke either. thanks.
> 
>> On May 31, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Lori,
>> 
>> Sounds like you had some sort of process running that was hanging up your 
>> Mac.  When this happens, a full shut down, and restart usually fixes 
>> whatever is causing the problem.  Sometimes, I find that my Mac mini is 
>> really hot, when I haven’t been doing anything with it.  When this happens, 
>> I always immediately shut down, and restart the system, and the issue goes 
>> away.
>> 
>> Sometimes I have the same issue where I can’t access the MenuBar with VO +M, 
>> but I am able to access MenuExtras by pressing M a second time.
>> When this happens, I resolve the issue by restarting Finder, by holding down 
>> CMD + OPT + Shift, and then pressing the Escape key.
>> This is a faster resolution, then doing a full shut down and restart.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On May 31, 2021, at 16:20, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> thanks to eerybody who helped me with my Mac. I left it off overnight and 
>> turned it on when I woke up. it's behaving normally now. it's good to have 
>> alternatives to the usualy shut-down proceedure because I was having trouble 
>> with that. it would give me menu extras but not the menu bar.
>> 
>>> On May 30, 2021, at 11:45 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Reboot your Mac, and see if you still hear the hiss.
>>> If you do, then disconnect the speakers, and see if you still hear it when 
>>> using headphones.
>>> 
>>> Next time you need to shut down your Mac, try the following:
>>> 1.  Press VO + M, to place focus on the Menubar.
>>> 2.  VO focus should be on the Apple menu.
>>> 3.  Press the DownArrow key, then type the letters “SH”.
>>> 4.  Now, hold down the Option key, and press Enter, to shut down your Mac.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 30, 2021, at 22:23, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> my mac mini is from the end of 2014 and I'm running Catalina. earlier this 
>>> evening I was listening to some music using the vlc media player. I started 
>>> to notice a hissing sound or white noise. at first I thought it was part of 
>>> the music but I paused it and the sound continued. It wasn't coming out of 
>>> the headphones only the speakers. the music was starting to flicker or 
>>> sound garbled. I quit vlc and went into the menu to turn the computer off. 
>>> Safari and email were both closed. my mac was responding very slowly and 
>>> everything kept being busy. When I finally got to "shut down" it said it 
>>> was going to in 43 secs or something like that but it didn't. I ended up 
>>> having to push the button. Any ideas as to what was going on? I haven't 
>>> turned it back on yet. I'm kind of afraid to.
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: touch typing

[Brad Snyder]

I believe this feature is called “Show Lowercase Keys”.
It is found in Settings > Accessibility > keyboards.
When enabled, it changes the Key-labels on the iOS software keyboard, to 
reflect whether the Shift/Caps Lock key has been pressed.

- Brad -


On May 31, 2021, at 11:15, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:

Character preview is for sighted people, it will show lowercase characters when 
you and lowercase and uppercase and uppercase. At least that’s my memory of 
what it is from reading other posts.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 30, 2021, at 7:11 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> great! very helpful! can you tell me what character preview is?
> 
>> On May 30, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>> 
>> Lorie,
>> 
>> This drove me nuts for quite a while, too. You’ll want to go to Settings > 
>> General > Keyboard > all keyboards. The first thing to do is turn Predictive 
>> off. That will stop the suggestions from coming up. And then, if you also 
>> turn slide to type off, that should make your life a whole lot easier, too.
>> 
>> Pete De Vasto
 On May 29, 2021, at 5:57 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Maybe there isn't. I was just hoping. it's not a problem unless the app I'm 
>>> using won't let me use braille screen input which sometimes happens.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On May 29, 2021, at 7:24 PM, Jessica Moss  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve noticed this as well, and that it’s just become increasingly 
>>> sensitive, but didn’t think there was much that could be done about it.
>>> 
 On May 29, 2021, at 6:59 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 as the ios versions have gone up I have had increasing problems with touch 
 typing on my phone. sometimes if I'm moving my finger around trying to 
 find the correct letter or number I'll start getting suggestions and 
 before I know it it's putting words in there for me and I haven't even 
 lifted my finger off the screen. I've tried a lighter touch and that helps 
 some but it's still a pretty pervasive problem for me. any suggestions?
 
 thanks.
 Lorie
 
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Re: problem with my Mac mini

[Brad Snyder]

The key-command CMD + OPT + Shift + Escape, will Force Quit the current 
application.
If the current application is Finder, Finder will restart when the key-command 
is performed.

- Brad -


On May 31, 2021, at 17:16, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I didn't know that keystroke either. thanks.

> On May 31, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> Lori,
> 
> Sounds like you had some sort of process running that was hanging up your 
> Mac.  When this happens, a full shut down, and restart usually fixes whatever 
> is causing the problem.  Sometimes, I find that my Mac mini is really hot, 
> when I haven’t been doing anything with it.  When this happens, I always 
> immediately shut down, and restart the system, and the issue goes away.
> 
> Sometimes I have the same issue where I can’t access the MenuBar with VO +M, 
> but I am able to access MenuExtras by pressing M a second time.
> When this happens, I resolve the issue by restarting Finder, by holding down 
> CMD + OPT + Shift, and then pressing the Escape key.
> This is a faster resolution, then doing a full shut down and restart.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 31, 2021, at 16:20, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> thanks to eerybody who helped me with my Mac. I left it off overnight and 
> turned it on when I woke up. it's behaving normally now. it's good to have 
> alternatives to the usualy shut-down proceedure because I was having trouble 
> with that. it would give me menu extras but not the menu bar.
> 
>> On May 30, 2021, at 11:45 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> Reboot your Mac, and see if you still hear the hiss.
>> If you do, then disconnect the speakers, and see if you still hear it when 
>> using headphones.
>> 
>> Next time you need to shut down your Mac, try the following:
>> 1.  Press VO + M, to place focus on the Menubar.
>> 2.  VO focus should be on the Apple menu.
>> 3.  Press the DownArrow key, then type the letters “SH”.
>> 4.  Now, hold down the Option key, and press Enter, to shut down your Mac.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On May 30, 2021, at 22:23, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> my mac mini is from the end of 2014 and I'm running Catalina. earlier this 
>> evening I was listening to some music using the vlc media player. I started 
>> to notice a hissing sound or white noise. at first I thought it was part of 
>> the music but I paused it and the sound continued. It wasn't coming out of 
>> the headphones only the speakers. the music was starting to flicker or sound 
>> garbled. I quit vlc and went into the menu to turn the computer off. Safari 
>> and email were both closed. my mac was responding very slowly and everything 
>> kept being busy. When I finally got to "shut down" it said it was going to 
>> in 43 secs or something like that but it didn't. I ended up having to push 
>> the button. Any ideas as to what was going on? I haven't turned it back on 
>> yet. I'm kind of afraid to.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: problem with my Mac mini

[Lorie McCloud]

I didn't know that keystroke either. thanks.

> On May 31, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Lori,
> 
> Sounds like you had some sort of process running that was hanging up your 
> Mac.  When this happens, a full shut down, and restart usually fixes whatever 
> is causing the problem.  Sometimes, I find that my Mac mini is really hot, 
> when I haven’t been doing anything with it.  When this happens, I always 
> immediately shut down, and restart the system, and the issue goes away.
> 
> Sometimes I have the same issue where I can’t access the MenuBar with VO +M, 
> but I am able to access MenuExtras by pressing M a second time.
> When this happens, I resolve the issue by restarting Finder, by holding down 
> CMD + OPT + Shift, and then pressing the Escape key.
> This is a faster resolution, then doing a full shut down and restart.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 31, 2021, at 16:20, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> thanks to eerybody who helped me with my Mac. I left it off overnight and 
> turned it on when I woke up. it's behaving normally now. it's good to have 
> alternatives to the usualy shut-down proceedure because I was having trouble 
> with that. it would give me menu extras but not the menu bar.
> 
>> On May 30, 2021, at 11:45 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> Reboot your Mac, and see if you still hear the hiss.
>> If you do, then disconnect the speakers, and see if you still hear it when 
>> using headphones.
>> 
>> Next time you need to shut down your Mac, try the following:
>> 1.  Press VO + M, to place focus on the Menubar.
>> 2.  VO focus should be on the Apple menu.
>> 3.  Press the DownArrow key, then type the letters “SH”.
>> 4.  Now, hold down the Option key, and press Enter, to shut down your Mac.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On May 30, 2021, at 22:23, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> my mac mini is from the end of 2014 and I'm running Catalina. earlier this 
>> evening I was listening to some music using the vlc media player. I started 
>> to notice a hissing sound or white noise. at first I thought it was part of 
>> the music but I paused it and the sound continued. It wasn't coming out of 
>> the headphones only the speakers. the music was starting to flicker or sound 
>> garbled. I quit vlc and went into the menu to turn the computer off. Safari 
>> and email were both closed. my mac was responding very slowly and everything 
>> kept being busy. When I finally got to "shut down" it said it was going to 
>> in 43 secs or something like that but it didn't. I ended up having to push 
>> the button. Any ideas as to what was going on? I haven't turned it back on 
>> yet. I'm kind of afraid to.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: problem with my Mac mini

[Brad Snyder]

Lori,

Sounds like you had some sort of process running that was hanging up your Mac.  
When this happens, a full shut down, and restart usually fixes whatever is 
causing the problem.  Sometimes, I find that my Mac mini is really hot, when I 
haven’t been doing anything with it.  When this happens, I always immediately 
shut down, and restart the system, and the issue goes away.

Sometimes I have the same issue where I can’t access the MenuBar with VO +M, 
but I am able to access MenuExtras by pressing M a second time.
When this happens, I resolve the issue by restarting Finder, by holding down 
CMD + OPT + Shift, and then pressing the Escape key.
This is a faster resolution, then doing a full shut down and restart.

HTH.

- Brad -


On May 31, 2021, at 16:20, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

thanks to eerybody who helped me with my Mac. I left it off overnight and 
turned it on when I woke up. it's behaving normally now. it's good to have 
alternatives to the usualy shut-down proceedure because I was having trouble 
with that. it would give me menu extras but not the menu bar.

> On May 30, 2021, at 11:45 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> Reboot your Mac, and see if you still hear the hiss.
> If you do, then disconnect the speakers, and see if you still hear it when 
> using headphones.
> 
> Next time you need to shut down your Mac, try the following:
> 1.  Press VO + M, to place focus on the Menubar.
> 2.  VO focus should be on the Apple menu.
> 3.  Press the DownArrow key, then type the letters “SH”.
> 4.  Now, hold down the Option key, and press Enter, to shut down your Mac.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 30, 2021, at 22:23, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> my mac mini is from the end of 2014 and I'm running Catalina. earlier this 
> evening I was listening to some music using the vlc media player. I started 
> to notice a hissing sound or white noise. at first I thought it was part of 
> the music but I paused it and the sound continued. It wasn't coming out of 
> the headphones only the speakers. the music was starting to flicker or sound 
> garbled. I quit vlc and went into the menu to turn the computer off. Safari 
> and email were both closed. my mac was responding very slowly and everything 
> kept being busy. When I finally got to "shut down" it said it was going to in 
> 43 secs or something like that but it didn't. I ended up having to push the 
> button. Any ideas as to what was going on? I haven't turned it back on yet. 
> I'm kind of afraid to.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
> 
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[Lorie McCloud]

thanks to eerybody who helped me with my Mac. I left it off overnight and 
turned it on when I woke up. it's behaving normally now. it's good to have 
alternatives to the usualy shut-down proceedure because I was having trouble 
with that. it would give me menu extras but not the menu bar.

> On May 30, 2021, at 11:45 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Reboot your Mac, and see if you still hear the hiss.
> If you do, then disconnect the speakers, and see if you still hear it when 
> using headphones.
> 
> Next time you need to shut down your Mac, try the following:
> 1.  Press VO + M, to place focus on the Menubar.
> 2.  VO focus should be on the Apple menu.
> 3.  Press the DownArrow key, then type the letters “SH”.
> 4.  Now, hold down the Option key, and press Enter, to shut down your Mac.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 30, 2021, at 22:23, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> my mac mini is from the end of 2014 and I'm running Catalina. earlier this 
> evening I was listening to some music using the vlc media player. I started 
> to notice a hissing sound or white noise. at first I thought it was part of 
> the music but I paused it and the sound continued. It wasn't coming out of 
> the headphones only the speakers. the music was starting to flicker or sound 
> garbled. I quit vlc and went into the menu to turn the computer off. Safari 
> and email were both closed. my mac was responding very slowly and everything 
> kept being busy. When I finally got to "shut down" it said it was going to in 
> 43 secs or something like that but it didn't. I ended up having to push the 
> button. Any ideas as to what was going on? I haven't turned it back on yet. 
> I'm kind of afraid to.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
> 
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Re: touch typing

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Character preview is for sighted people, it will show lowercase characters when 
you and lowercase and uppercase and uppercase. At least that’s my memory of 
what it is from reading other posts.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 30, 2021, at 7:11 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> great! very helpful! can you tell me what character preview is?
> 
>> On May 30, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>> 
>> Lorie,
>> 
>> This drove me nuts for quite a while, too. You’ll want to go to Settings > 
>> General > Keyboard > all keyboards. The first thing to do is turn Predictive 
>> off. That will stop the suggestions from coming up. And then, if you also 
>> turn slide to type off, that should make your life a whole lot easier, too.
>> 
>> Pete De Vasto
 On May 29, 2021, at 5:57 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Maybe there isn't. I was just hoping. it's not a problem unless the app I'm 
>>> using won't let me use braille screen input which sometimes happens.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On May 29, 2021, at 7:24 PM, Jessica Moss  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve noticed this as well, and that it’s just become increasingly 
>>> sensitive, but didn’t think there was much that could be done about it.
>>> 
 On May 29, 2021, at 6:59 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 as the ios versions have gone up I have had increasing problems with touch 
 typing on my phone. sometimes if I'm moving my finger around trying to 
 find the correct letter or number I'll start getting suggestions and 
 before I know it it's putting words in there for me and I haven't even 
 lifted my finger off the screen. I've tried a lighter touch and that helps 
 some but it's still a pretty pervasive problem for me. any suggestions?
 
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Re: problem with my Mac mini

[Brad Snyder]

A warning that the Mac will shut down in 60 seconds, and then these seconds 
counting down, is standard behavior when selecting Shut Down, from the Apple 
Menu.  Not sure why there was a hang-up and the Mac did not proceed with the 
shut down.

Perhaps there was a ongoing process that prevented the shut down, as Tim 
mentions, though in my experience these processes tend to resume themselves 
once the Mac is rebooted.

Seems that Lori said the hissing sound was coming from her speakers.  She 
didn’t specify if her speakers were plugged into the headphone jack on the back 
of the Mac mini, or if she was using the mini’s internal speaker.

- Brad -


On May 31, 2021, at 09:51, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

I’m wondering if the hissing sound was the cooling fans for the Mini.  There 
may have been some process happening in the background, such as an update, that 
had caused the machine to work hard and require cooling.  With the Mini saying 
that it would shutdown in 43 seconds, this also makes it sound like something 
was happening that it wanted to finish before shutting down.

As usual, Brad’s suggestions are on the money.  If the machine does need time 
to do something, allow it to do so, then shut itself down.  If the 43 seconds 
drags on to minutes, then there is something problematic going on that a forced 
shutdown may remedy.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On May 31, 2021, at 5:56 AM, Chuck Reichel  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Brad,
> 
> Heres a faster way to shutdown.
> •1 hit the “control and the delete key.
> •Next-hit the return key which will shut down your mac.
> Thats it. :)
> HTH
> Chuck
> PS you can explore the dialogue that comes up if you want to see the other 
> options but I think there is a time limit for the default action to happen.
> 
> 
>> On May 31, 2021, at 12:45 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> Reboot your Mac, and see if you still hear the hiss.
>> If you do, then disconnect the speakers, and see if you still hear it when 
>> using headphones.
>> 
>> Next time you need to shut down your Mac, try the following:
>> 1.  Press VO + M, to place focus on the Menubar.
>> 2.  VO focus should be on the Apple menu.
>> 3.  Press the DownArrow key, then type the letters “SH”.
>> 4.  Now, hold down the Option key, and press Enter, to shut down your Mac.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On May 30, 2021, at 22:23, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> my mac mini is from the end of 2014 and I'm running Catalina. earlier this 
>> evening I was listening to some music using the vlc media player. I started 
>> to notice a hissing sound or white noise. at first I thought it was part of 
>> the music but I paused it and the sound continued. It wasn't coming out of 
>> the headphones only the speakers. the music was starting to flicker or sound 
>> garbled. I quit vlc and went into the menu to turn the computer off. Safari 
>> and email were both closed. my mac was responding very slowly and everything 
>> kept being busy. When I finally got to "shut down" it said it was going to 
>> in 43 secs or something like that but it didn't. I ended up having to push 
>> the button. Any ideas as to what was going on? I haven't turned it back on 
>> yet. I'm kind of afraid to.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
>> 
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Re: problem with my Mac mini

[Brad Snyder]

Yes, this is a non-VoiceOver key-command to place keyboard focus on the MenuBar.
Beware that pressing CTRL + F1, may toggle this and other non-VoiceOver 
key-commands on/off, or non-VoiceOver key-commands may be disabled altogether. 

- Brad -


On May 31, 2021, at 09:51, Pete De Vasto  wrote:

You’re right, Brad, control Delete did not work on my Mac. However, another 
alternative to bringing up the Apple menu, besides VO+M, is Control+f2.

Pete

> On May 31, 2021, at 6:13 AM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
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> Yes, of course.
> In my experience,  this may not  work on all max.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On May 31, 2021, at 06:56, Chuck Reichel  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Brad,
> 
> Heres a faster way to shutdown.
> •1 hit the “control and the delete key.
> •Next-hit the return key which will shut down your mac.
> Thats it. :)
> HTH
> Chuck
> PS you can explore the dialogue that comes up if you want to see the other 
> options but I think there is a time limit for the default action to happen.
> 
> 
>> On May 31, 2021, at 12:45 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> Reboot your Mac, and see if you still hear the hiss.
>> If you do, then disconnect the speakers, and see if you still hear it when 
>> using headphones.
>> 
>> Next time you need to shut down your Mac, try the following:
>> 1.  Press VO + M, to place focus on the Menubar.
>> 2.  VO focus should be on the Apple menu.
>> 3.  Press the DownArrow key, then type the letters “SH”.
>> 4.  Now, hold down the Option key, and press Enter, to shut down your Mac.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On May 30, 2021, at 22:23, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> my mac mini is from the end of 2014 and I'm running Catalina. earlier this 
>> evening I was listening to some music using the vlc media player. I started 
>> to notice a hissing sound or white noise. at first I thought it was part of 
>> the music but I paused it and the sound continued. It wasn't coming out of 
>> the headphones only the speakers. the music was starting to flicker or sound 
>> garbled. I quit vlc and went into the menu to turn the computer off. Safari 
>> and email were both closed. my mac was responding very slowly and everything 
>> kept being busy. When I finally got to "shut down" it said it was going to 
>> in 43 secs or something like that but it didn't. I ended up having to push 
>> the button. Any ideas as to what was going on? I haven't turned it back on 
>> yet. I'm kind of afraid to.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
>> 
>> 
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How to set priority for an e-mail on the iphone

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Hi list,
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Re: problem with my Mac mini

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I’m wondering if the hissing sound was the cooling fans for the Mini.  There 
may have been some process happening in the background, such as an update, that 
had caused the machine to work hard and require cooling.  With the Mini saying 
that it would shutdown in 43 seconds, this also makes it sound like something 
was happening that it wanted to finish before shutting down.

As usual, Brad’s suggestions are on the money.  If the machine does need time 
to do something, allow it to do so, then shut itself down.  If the 43 seconds 
drags on to minutes, then there is something problematic going on that a forced 
shutdown may remedy.

Later…


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> On May 31, 2021, at 5:56 AM, Chuck Reichel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Brad,
> 
> Heres a faster way to shutdown.
> •1 hit the “control and the delete key.
> •Next-hit the return key which will shut down your mac.
> Thats it. :)
> HTH
> Chuck
> PS you can explore the dialogue that comes up if you want to see the other 
> options but I think there is a time limit for the default action to happen.
> 
> 
>> On May 31, 2021, at 12:45 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> Reboot your Mac, and see if you still hear the hiss.
>> If you do, then disconnect the speakers, and see if you still hear it when 
>> using headphones.
>> 
>> Next time you need to shut down your Mac, try the following:
>> 1.  Press VO + M, to place focus on the Menubar.
>> 2.  VO focus should be on the Apple menu.
>> 3.  Press the DownArrow key, then type the letters “SH”.
>> 4.  Now, hold down the Option key, and press Enter, to shut down your Mac.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On May 30, 2021, at 22:23, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> my mac mini is from the end of 2014 and I'm running Catalina. earlier this 
>> evening I was listening to some music using the vlc media player. I started 
>> to notice a hissing sound or white noise. at first I thought it was part of 
>> the music but I paused it and the sound continued. It wasn't coming out of 
>> the headphones only the speakers. the music was starting to flicker or sound 
>> garbled. I quit vlc and went into the menu to turn the computer off. Safari 
>> and email were both closed. my mac was responding very slowly and everything 
>> kept being busy. When I finally got to "shut down" it said it was going to 
>> in 43 secs or something like that but it didn't. I ended up having to push 
>> the button. Any ideas as to what was going on? I haven't turned it back on 
>> yet. I'm kind of afraid to.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: problem with my Mac mini

[Pete De Vasto]

You’re right, Brad, control Delete did not work on my Mac. However, another 
alternative to bringing up the Apple menu, besides VO+M, is Control+f2.

Pete

> On May 31, 2021, at 6:13 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Yes, of course.
> In my experience,  this may not  work on all max.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On May 31, 2021, at 06:56, Chuck Reichel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Brad,
> 
> Heres a faster way to shutdown.
> •1 hit the “control and the delete key.
> •Next-hit the return key which will shut down your mac.
> Thats it. :)
> HTH
> Chuck
> PS you can explore the dialogue that comes up if you want to see the other 
> options but I think there is a time limit for the default action to happen.
> 
> 
>> On May 31, 2021, at 12:45 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> Reboot your Mac, and see if you still hear the hiss.
>> If you do, then disconnect the speakers, and see if you still hear it when 
>> using headphones.
>> 
>> Next time you need to shut down your Mac, try the following:
>> 1.  Press VO + M, to place focus on the Menubar.
>> 2.  VO focus should be on the Apple menu.
>> 3.  Press the DownArrow key, then type the letters “SH”.
>> 4.  Now, hold down the Option key, and press Enter, to shut down your Mac.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On May 30, 2021, at 22:23, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> my mac mini is from the end of 2014 and I'm running Catalina. earlier this 
>> evening I was listening to some music using the vlc media player. I started 
>> to notice a hissing sound or white noise. at first I thought it was part of 
>> the music but I paused it and the sound continued. It wasn't coming out of 
>> the headphones only the speakers. the music was starting to flicker or sound 
>> garbled. I quit vlc and went into the menu to turn the computer off. Safari 
>> and email were both closed. my mac was responding very slowly and everything 
>> kept being busy. When I finally got to "shut down" it said it was going to 
>> in 43 secs or something like that but it didn't. I ended up having to push 
>> the button. Any ideas as to what was going on? I haven't turned it back on 
>> yet. I'm kind of afraid to.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Retroarch question.

[Jessica Moss]

Ok, I’m confused, what is?  If we’re talking about my activation key, I have 
that copied and pasted already, I’m just not sure if I’ve pasted the url 
correctly, so that’s something I need some help with.
  Will I find that there as well?  I’ve read the example in the users guide 
repeatedly and tried to match that, but have apparently done something wrong.

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> It’s in your account section.
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>> On May 30, 2021, at 8:45 AM, Jessica Moss > > wrote:
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>> Ok, I’ve just signed up with them, but can you please refresh my memory on 
>> where I would go to find the API key to paste so I’m not having to back in 
>> and out of multiple web pages?  I’m not seeing it on the main page after 
>> verifying my e-mail address, and that page has several unlabeled Iframes 
>> that apparently lead to YouTube videos.
>> 
>>> On May 30, 2021, at 2:46 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> wrote:
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>>> Did you sign up with Z-translate, and paste the API key into the Retroarch 
>>> Config file? You'll have to do that, which is talked about in the user 
>>> guide, in order for Retroarch to even do OCR. Alternatively, you can use 
>>> VOcr to OCR the screen of any emulator.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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 On May 29, 2021, at 7:23 PM, Jessica Moss >>> > wrote:
 
 Ok, I had no idea this existed until I found it on 
 https://www.applevis.com/forum/accessibility-advocacy/retroarch-182-making-games-more-accessible-blind-people
  
 
 
 However, even after reading the user guide, enabling accessibility mode, 
 downloading several emulators within the app and testing them with both 
 narrator mode and speech mode on several SNES games I know have readouts, 
 it’s not reading a thing.
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Re: Retroarch question.

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It’s in your account section.
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> On May 30, 2021, at 8:45 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> Ok, I’ve just signed up with them, but can you please refresh my memory on 
> where I would go to find the API key to paste so I’m not having to back in 
> and out of multiple web pages?  I’m not seeing it on the main page after 
> verifying my e-mail address, and that page has several unlabeled Iframes that 
> apparently lead to YouTube videos.
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>> Did you sign up with Z-translate, and paste the API key into the Retroarch 
>> Config file? You'll have to do that, which is talked about in the user 
>> guide, in order for Retroarch to even do OCR. Alternatively, you can use 
>> VOcr to OCR the screen of any emulator.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 29, 2021, at 7:23 PM, Jessica Moss >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok, I had no idea this existed until I found it on 
>>> https://www.applevis.com/forum/accessibility-advocacy/retroarch-182-making-games-more-accessible-blind-people
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> However, even after reading the user guide, enabling accessibility mode, 
>>> downloading several emulators within the app and testing them with both 
>>> narrator mode and speech mode on several SNES games I know have readouts, 
>>> it’s not reading a thing.
>>>   Am I missing a step, or is this something that’s just hit or miss, and 
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Re: problem with my Mac mini

[Brad Snyder]

Yes, of course.
In my experience,  this may not  work on all max.

- Brad -

On May 31, 2021, at 06:56, Chuck Reichel  
wrote:

Hi Brad,

Heres a faster way to shutdown.
•1 hit the “control and the delete key.
•Next-hit the return key which will shut down your mac.
Thats it. :)
HTH
Chuck
PS you can explore the dialogue that comes up if you want to see the other 
options but I think there is a time limit for the default action to happen.


> On May 31, 2021, at 12:45 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Reboot your Mac, and see if you still hear the hiss.
> If you do, then disconnect the speakers, and see if you still hear it when 
> using headphones.
> 
> Next time you need to shut down your Mac, try the following:
> 1.  Press VO + M, to place focus on the Menubar.
> 2.  VO focus should be on the Apple menu.
> 3.  Press the DownArrow key, then type the letters “SH”.
> 4.  Now, hold down the Option key, and press Enter, to shut down your Mac.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 30, 2021, at 22:23, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> my mac mini is from the end of 2014 and I'm running Catalina. earlier this 
> evening I was listening to some music using the vlc media player. I started 
> to notice a hissing sound or white noise. at first I thought it was part of 
> the music but I paused it and the sound continued. It wasn't coming out of 
> the headphones only the speakers. the music was starting to flicker or sound 
> garbled. I quit vlc and went into the menu to turn the computer off. Safari 
> and email were both closed. my mac was responding very slowly and everything 
> kept being busy. When I finally got to "shut down" it said it was going to in 
> 43 secs or something like that but it didn't. I ended up having to push the 
> button. Any ideas as to what was going on? I haven't turned it back on yet. 
> I'm kind of afraid to.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: problem with my Mac mini

[Chuck Reichel]

Hi Brad,

Heres a faster way to shutdown.
•1 hit the “control and the delete key.
•Next-hit the return key which will shut down your mac.
Thats it. :)
HTH
Chuck
PS you can explore the dialogue that comes up if you want to see the other 
options but I think there is a time limit for the default action to happen.


> On May 31, 2021, at 12:45 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Reboot your Mac, and see if you still hear the hiss.
> If you do, then disconnect the speakers, and see if you still hear it when 
> using headphones.
> 
> Next time you need to shut down your Mac, try the following:
> 1.  Press VO + M, to place focus on the Menubar.
> 2.  VO focus should be on the Apple menu.
> 3.  Press the DownArrow key, then type the letters “SH”.
> 4.  Now, hold down the Option key, and press Enter, to shut down your Mac.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 30, 2021, at 22:23, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> my mac mini is from the end of 2014 and I'm running Catalina. earlier this 
> evening I was listening to some music using the vlc media player. I started 
> to notice a hissing sound or white noise. at first I thought it was part of 
> the music but I paused it and the sound continued. It wasn't coming out of 
> the headphones only the speakers. the music was starting to flicker or sound 
> garbled. I quit vlc and went into the menu to turn the computer off. Safari 
> and email were both closed. my mac was responding very slowly and everything 
> kept being busy. When I finally got to "shut down" it said it was going to in 
> 43 secs or something like that but it didn't. I ended up having to push the 
> button. Any ideas as to what was going on? I haven't turned it back on yet. 
> I'm kind of afraid to.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
> 
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