Re: iOS 15 Books Navigation Problems

['Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks for the suggestion but, alas, it didn't work at all. In fact, curiously, 
the problems occurred in exactly the same places, accounting for font size. 
It's very, very bizarre.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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Re: Anyone else having trouble dictating messages on their watch since WatchOs 8?

[Brad Snyder]

The items are not labeled, and VoiceOver does not speak what these items are.

- Brad -


On Oct 16, 2021, at 19:53, Brett Campbell  wrote:

Does anybody know what the items/clicks are that we’re swiping past to get to 
the end to stop dictation?



> On Oct 16, 2021, at 12:52 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Also, that’s an awful lot of swiping to the right. The whole point of being 
> able to message from your watch is that it be quick, convenient, and easy. By 
> the time I do all that I might as well just get my phone out and message from 
> my phone.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2021, at 1:44 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey, Brad,
>> 
>> I have no idea how you figured that out. Once I press the dictate button, 
>> VoiceOver completely goes silent. So I had no knowledge that I was expected 
>> to swipe all the way to the right and then tap again. I don’t even know what 
>> the button is that’s all the way to the right. Maybe it’s not a disaster, 
>> but I definitely think Apple could’ve done a better job of making this 
>> version of messages on the watch accessible.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2021, at 1:23 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I do not find that the messaging app is a disaster at all. It has just 
>>> changed. You must first navigate to the message edit field, and do a one 
>>> finger double tap to activate it. Once activated, then swipe to the 
>>> dictation button and dictate as in the past. Once finished dictating, you 
>>> should swipe right until you cannot swipe right anymore, then do a one 
>>> finger double tap to complete the dictation process. you will then find 
>>> your dictated message in the message edit field, where you can edit the 
>>> dictated message or add emojis to it if you wish. once you have finished 
>>> and are ready to send your message, swipe less to the send button, then 
>>> double tap to send your message.
>>> That's it.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2021, at 13:07, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna!
>>> Oh Yeah this is an annoying issue I have.
>>> There seems to be a text field also that you can type in.
>>> But yes the messages and also messenger apps are a disaster.
>>> /A
>>> 
> 16 okt. 2021 kl. 14:56 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
 
 Hi all,
 
 Ever since upgrading to WatchOS 8, I am unable to dictate messages.  I can 
 get dictation to start, but I can rarely get it to stop, and I can’t get 
 VO to read back to me what I have dictated, so I can make sure it’s right 
 before sending the message. Anyone have any idea what might be going on?  
 I use the watch for messaging a lot, so this is a major inconvenience.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Re: Anyone else having trouble dictating messages on their watch since WatchOs 8?

[Brett Campbell]

Does anybody know what the items/clicks are that we’re swiping past to get to 
the end to stop dictation?



> On Oct 16, 2021, at 12:52 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Also, that’s an awful lot of swiping to the right. The whole point of being 
> able to message from your watch is that it be quick, convenient, and easy. By 
> the time I do all that I might as well just get my phone out and message from 
> my phone.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2021, at 1:44 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey, Brad,
>> 
>> I have no idea how you figured that out. Once I press the dictate button, 
>> VoiceOver completely goes silent. So I had no knowledge that I was expected 
>> to swipe all the way to the right and then tap again. I don’t even know what 
>> the button is that’s all the way to the right. Maybe it’s not a disaster, 
>> but I definitely think Apple could’ve done a better job of making this 
>> version of messages on the watch accessible.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2021, at 1:23 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I do not find that the messaging app is a disaster at all. It has just 
>>> changed. You must first navigate to the message edit field, and do a one 
>>> finger double tap to activate it. Once activated, then swipe to the 
>>> dictation button and dictate as in the past. Once finished dictating, you 
>>> should swipe right until you cannot swipe right anymore, then do a one 
>>> finger double tap to complete the dictation process. you will then find 
>>> your dictated message in the message edit field, where you can edit the 
>>> dictated message or add emojis to it if you wish. once you have finished 
>>> and are ready to send your message, swipe less to the send button, then 
>>> double tap to send your message.
>>> That's it.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2021, at 13:07, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna!
>>> Oh Yeah this is an annoying issue I have.
>>> There seems to be a text field also that you can type in.
>>> But yes the messages and also messenger apps are a disaster.
>>> /A
>>> 
> 16 okt. 2021 kl. 14:56 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
 
 Hi all,
 
 Ever since upgrading to WatchOS 8, I am unable to dictate messages.  I can 
 get dictation to start, but I can rarely get it to stop, and I can’t get 
 VO to read back to me what I have dictated, so I can make sure it’s right 
 before sending the message. Anyone have any idea what might be going on?  
 I use the watch for messaging a lot, so this is a major inconvenience.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
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Re: Question about passwords

[Jonathan Cohn]

It is in Safari  settings unless you are using a third party password manager 
like 1 password.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Oct 16, 2021, at 13:10, N2KPV  wrote:
> 
> Hello Harry , thanks , I should have been more clear .I was talking about my 
> mac  computer .  Still can not seem to find  it .
> 
> On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 10:11:37 AM UTC-4 Harry Bell wrote:
> That is now in its own section in the main Settings menu called “Passwords”
> Harry
> 
>> On 16 Oct 2021, at 14:43, N2KPV > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone ,I notice with the recent update I can no longer see my 
>> passwords in Safari settings .  There used to be a place to check "Show 
>> passwords ", but I do not see that anymore .  I am hoping  its just 
>> something I am overlooking.  
> 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance , Ben C.
>> 
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Re: Difference Between cmd-f & VO-F?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,
VO-F is using VoiceOver and command F is using the standard text functions.

I believe that by default the VO find treats case as different while the text 
search does not. Also, the text search will select text but the VoiceOver 
cursor might not go to it. Also note in certain circumstances (tables of 
messages in mail for example) one can just start typing and get to what one is 
looking for.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Oct 16, 2021, at 17:29, Fazil  wrote:
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> Hi, Group.
> May I know the difference between cmd-f & VO-F commands, please?
> Thanks!
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Difference Between cmd-f & VO-F?

[Fazil]

Hi, Group.

May I know the difference between cmd-f & VO-F commands, please?

Thanks!

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Re: Anyone else having trouble dictating messages on their watch since WatchOs 8?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Also, that’s an awful lot of swiping to the right. The whole point of being 
able to message from your watch is that it be quick, convenient, and easy. By 
the time I do all that I might as well just get my phone out and message from 
my phone.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2021, at 1:44 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hey, Brad,
> 
> I have no idea how you figured that out. Once I press the dictate button, 
> VoiceOver completely goes silent. So I had no knowledge that I was expected 
> to swipe all the way to the right and then tap again. I don’t even know what 
> the button is that’s all the way to the right. Maybe it’s not a disaster, but 
> I definitely think Apple could’ve done a better job of making this version of 
> messages on the watch accessible.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2021, at 1:23 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> I do not find that the messaging app is a disaster at all. It has just 
>> changed. You must first navigate to the message edit field, and do a one 
>> finger double tap to activate it. Once activated, then swipe to the 
>> dictation button and dictate as in the past. Once finished dictating, you 
>> should swipe right until you cannot swipe right anymore, then do a one 
>> finger double tap to complete the dictation process. you will then find your 
>> dictated message in the message edit field, where you can edit the dictated 
>> message or add emojis to it if you wish. once you have finished and are 
>> ready to send your message, swipe less to the send button, then double tap 
>> to send your message.
>> That's it.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Oct 16, 2021, at 13:07, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna!
>> Oh Yeah this is an annoying issue I have.
>> There seems to be a text field also that you can type in.
>> But yes the messages and also messenger apps are a disaster.
>> /A
>> 
 16 okt. 2021 kl. 14:56 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 :
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Ever since upgrading to WatchOS 8, I am unable to dictate messages.  I can 
>>> get dictation to start, but I can rarely get it to stop, and I can’t get VO 
>>> to read back to me what I have dictated, so I can make sure it’s right 
>>> before sending the message. Anyone have any idea what might be going on?  I 
>>> use the watch for messaging a lot, so this is a major inconvenience.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Anyone else having trouble dictating messages on their watch since WatchOs 8?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hey, Brad,

I have no idea how you figured that out. Once I press the dictate button, 
VoiceOver completely goes silent. So I had no knowledge that I was expected to 
swipe all the way to the right and then tap again. I don’t even know what the 
button is that’s all the way to the right. Maybe it’s not a disaster, but I 
definitely think Apple could’ve done a better job of making this version of 
messages on the watch accessible.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2021, at 1:23 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I do not find that the messaging app is a disaster at all. It has just 
> changed. You must first navigate to the message edit field, and do a one 
> finger double tap to activate it. Once activated, then swipe to the dictation 
> button and dictate as in the past. Once finished dictating, you should swipe 
> right until you cannot swipe right anymore, then do a one finger double tap 
> to complete the dictation process. you will then find your dictated message 
> in the message edit field, where you can edit the dictated message or add 
> emojis to it if you wish. once you have finished and are ready to send your 
> message, swipe less to the send button, then double tap to send your message.
> That's it.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Oct 16, 2021, at 13:07, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna!
> Oh Yeah this is an annoying issue I have.
> There seems to be a text field also that you can type in.
> But yes the messages and also messenger apps are a disaster.
> /A
> 
>> 16 okt. 2021 kl. 14:56 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Ever since upgrading to WatchOS 8, I am unable to dictate messages.  I can 
>> get dictation to start, but I can rarely get it to stop, and I can’t get VO 
>> to read back to me what I have dictated, so I can make sure it’s right 
>> before sending the message. Anyone have any idea what might be going on?  I 
>> use the watch for messaging a lot, so this is a major inconvenience.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Anyone else having trouble dictating messages on their watch since WatchOs 8?

[Brad Snyder]

I do not find that the messaging app is a disaster at all. It has just changed. 
You must first navigate to the message edit field, and do a one finger double 
tap to activate it. Once activated, then swipe to the dictation button and 
dictate as in the past. Once finished dictating, you should swipe right until 
you cannot swipe right anymore, then do a one finger double tap to complete the 
dictation process. you will then find your dictated message in the message edit 
field, where you can edit the dictated message or add emojis to it if you wish. 
once you have finished and are ready to send your message, swipe less to the 
send button, then double tap to send your message.
That's it.

HTH.

- Brad -

On Oct 16, 2021, at 13:07, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi Donna!
Oh Yeah this is an annoying issue I have.
There seems to be a text field also that you can type in.
But yes the messages and also messenger apps are a disaster.
/A

> 16 okt. 2021 kl. 14:56 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
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> Ever since upgrading to WatchOS 8, I am unable to dictate messages.  I can 
> get dictation to start, but I can rarely get it to stop, and I can’t get VO 
> to read back to me what I have dictated, so I can make sure it’s right before 
> sending the message. Anyone have any idea what might be going on?  I use the 
> watch for messaging a lot, so this is a major inconvenience.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Anyone else having trouble dictating messages on their watch since WatchOs 8?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi Donna!
Oh Yeah this is an annoying issue I have.
There seems to be a text field also that you can type in.
But yes the messages and also messenger apps are a disaster.
/A

> 16 okt. 2021 kl. 14:56 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> Ever since upgrading to WatchOS 8, I am unable to dictate messages.  I can 
> get dictation to start, but I can rarely get it to stop, and I can’t get VO 
> to read back to me what I have dictated, so I can make sure it’s right before 
> sending the message. Anyone have any idea what might be going on?  I use the 
> watch for messaging a lot, so this is a major inconvenience.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Question about passwords

[N2KPV]

Hello Harry , thanks , I should have been more clear .I was talking about 
my mac  computer .  Still can not seem to find  it .

On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 10:11:37 AM UTC-4 Harry Bell wrote:

> That is now in its own section in the main Settings menu called “Passwords”
> Harry
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> Hello everyone ,I notice with the recent update I can no longer see my 
> passwords in Safari settings .  There used to be a place to check "Show 
> passwords ", but I do not see that anymore .  I am hoping  its just 
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Re: Smart mailboxes.

[Jonathan Cohn]

I went into Googles IMAP server settings and changed my preferences on 
deletions/expunging. 
This might help, though i remember when I initially made changes here, it was 
because I accidentally deleted something and had no way to restore it. I'll see 
if the recently deleted items ends up in Google's bin or if it disappears 
completely.
Jonathan

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Oct 15, 2021, at 15:02, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> That’s odd, as it should delete from the original mailbox as you expected.  
> Apple’s info can be found at this link:
> 
> https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/mail/mlhlp1190/mac 
> 
>  get it back.
> I used the “Today” smart mailbox that is there by default, then found a 
> message I could delete, and it deleted as expected for me.  I’m not sure 
> what’s happening in your case.
> 
> Later…
> 
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>> On Oct 15, 2021, at 12:46 PM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I just created a smart mailbox in Mac Mail. 
>> My hope for the mailbox was that I could accumulate messages that are in a 
>> folder called "lists" accross my multiple accounts.
>> This is fairly easy to do:
>> 1. In list of mailboxes go down to Smart Mailboxes and click the add button
>> 2. In dialog press the "add" button a number of times.
>> 3. For each mailbox select messages in mailbox and then select the 
>> appropriate mailbox.
>> 
>> This all works, but I can't delete from this smart mailbox. When I press d 
>> the delete key, the message appears to go away but then when I navigate 
>> around it is back. I know that with iMAP there are ways to flag a message as 
>> deleted or to move it to a trash folder, and I am not sure which method I 
>> have set up, but I expect the move to trash folder. 
>> In any case, I would expect that the delete should just propagate to the 
>> true folder and execute the appropriate delete there.
>> Apparently this is not what is happening since even if I move to the iCloud 
>> lists folder I still find the items I thought I had deleted.
>> Jonathan 
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Re: Question about passwords

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That is now in its own section in the main Settings menu called “Passwords”
Harry

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Question about passwords

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Hello everyone ,I notice with the recent update I can no longer see my 
passwords in Safari settings .  There used to be a place to check "Show 
passwords ", but I do not see that anymore .  I am hoping  its just 
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Re: Anyone else having trouble dictating messages on their watch since WatchOs 8?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Huh!  This is something Apple needs to fix.  I don’t really like tapping on 
things when I don’t know what I’m tapping on.  Also, I really don’t want my 
messages sent until I’m ready to send them.  I think I will write to Apple 
Accessibility about this.  But I appreciate the explanation of how you do this, 
and I’ll give it a try.  And, I do agree, it’s nice to be able to add emogis.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 16, 2021, at 8:05 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
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> It is true that it is much less convenient to dictate under Watch OS8.
> 
> What I do, once I am done dictating, is one finger double tap, swipe once to 
> the right and one finger double tap again.  Not sure what I’m tapping on, but 
> that stops dictation and then I can swipe left until I get back to the text 
> field so I can review what I have dictated.
> 
> Sometimes, when I one finger double tap, the message just sends 
> automatically.  Not sure why as VoiceOver is pretty quiet at that time.
> 
> The nice thing about this annoyance is that you can then add emogees to your 
> message, if desired.
> 
> Hth,
> Jeff
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> 
>> On Oct 16, 2021, at 8:56 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Ever since upgrading to WatchOS 8, I am unable to dictate messages.  I can 
>> get dictation to start, but I can rarely get it to stop, and I can’t get VO 
>> to read back to me what I have dictated, so I can make sure it’s right 
>> before sending the message. Anyone have any idea what might be going on?  I 
>> use the watch for messaging a lot, so this is a major inconvenience.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Anyone else having trouble dictating messages on their watch since WatchOs 8?

[Jeff Berwick]

It is true that it is much less convenient to dictate under Watch OS8.

What I do, once I am done dictating, is one finger double tap, swipe once to 
the right and one finger double tap again.  Not sure what I’m tapping on, but 
that stops dictation and then I can swipe left until I get back to the text 
field so I can review what I have dictated.

Sometimes, when I one finger double tap, the message just sends automatically.  
Not sure why as VoiceOver is pretty quiet at that time.

The nice thing about this annoyance is that you can then add emogees to your 
message, if desired.

Hth,
Jeff


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> to read back to me what I have dictated, so I can make sure it’s right before 
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> Cheers,
> Donna
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> Sent from my iPad
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Anyone else having trouble dictating messages on their watch since WatchOs 8?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

Ever since upgrading to WatchOS 8, I am unable to dictate messages.  I can get 
dictation to start, but I can rarely get it to stop, and I can’t get VO to read 
back to me what I have dictated, so I can make sure it’s right before sending 
the message. Anyone have any idea what might be going on?  I use the watch for 
messaging a lot, so this is a major inconvenience.
Cheers,
Donna

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