Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Karen Lewellen]

If Apple accessibility is correct and it is considered  to be a sound 
effect,  hopefully there will indeed be a volume for effects in general as 
e. T. is suggesting.

will find out on Thursday.



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:


Actually, with the startup sound, I don’t even know if you can change the 
volume. Maybe in terminal, but I don’t think I can even change the volume level 
of VO on the logon Screen that you get with File Valt and I don’t think I could 
last time I had it in recovery mode, though that was a while back so I could be 
wrong on that one.


On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:21, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

I am not interested in doing this in the terminal, although I imagine 
Johnathan's information will help someone.
Instead I am interested in where the settings for system volume are located.
I intend on Thursday to have sighted help adjust this setting, I am not solid 
enough in voiceover as of yet to do this, we are still optimizing my computer 
for my use.
Karen



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

You can use:

sudo nvram StartupMute=%00

To enable the startup chime on a Mac where it has been muted.  Remember that in 
Terminal, when you use the “sudo” command, you will be asked to enter your 
password if you’re an Admin of the computer.  There will be no audio feedback 
when entering this password in Terminal like you would here in regular 
situations. If you’re not in an Admin account, you will not be able to use this 
command.

HTH.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:24, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:

On mac's that do not have startup chime, you can still enable it in the 
terminal app with a command that examines and changes nvram settings for the 
computer. I think it might have been Alex Hall that posted the recipe to turn 
this on.  Or perhaps a man ---  c nvram will pull up the sntax. My mac is a 
couple 100 miles away so can't be very specific.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:59 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be set 
low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your computer 
from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

Hi Tim,
My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, which   
may be why the sound is missing.
As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never a 
windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
What about turning up the sound if needful?
Kare



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  That is, 
the startup chime should still work normally on that device without any 
intervention in System Preferences.  I’m willing to be corrected, but I also 
believe that the checkbox that they’re speaking of was not present in Catalina, 
only Big Sur and newer.

No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime that is 
sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it was removed, it 
doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that noise, then the hardware 
was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the MacOS, unless the drive was a 
problem.

HTH.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

hi everyone,
I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 Catalina.
I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, was told 
by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing system preferences, 
sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a checkbox beside start up sound.
What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound volume is 
turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when awakening 
the mac, opening the lid?
Thanks,
Karen




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Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Karen Lewellen]

so, system preferences sound, sound effects, output then.
Or so we will discover.
Thanks,
karen



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Karen,
   Look on the Sound Effects tab near the bottom of that window.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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will make violent revolution inevitable."
--John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
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On 6/7/2022 7:17 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 what I am still missing is where one changes the system volume itself.
 I understand that about voiceover volume, but the start up sound is a
 system volume effect,  and unless I missed a post, the details for
 adjusting system volume have not been shared?
 Karen



 On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

>  Hi,
> 
>  Basically, sound  effects are at the same volume as the system.  So, 
>  if you have your volume set to 50%, then the sound effects will also be 
>  played at 50%.  VoiceOver has its own level that is changed with the 
>  system volume, but it depends on where VO volume is set to begin with.  
>  For example, you can use the rotor to decrease the volume of VO in 
>  reference to the system volume.  Pressing VO-cmd-shift-left or right 
>  until you hear VO announce “Volume”, then keeping the VO-cmd-shift 
>  keys down and pressing the down or up volume will only change the 
>  VoiceOver volume.  Thus, you can change the VO volume to, let’s say, 
>  40%, and it will not affect the sound effects or other media volumes.  
>  Turning up or down the system volume will change the VO volume relative, 
>  but it will stay at 40% of the system volume.
> 
>  I hope that this makes sense.
> 
>  Later…
> 
> 
>  Tim Kilburn

>  Jamf Certified Tech
>  Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>  Apple Teacher
>  (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>  Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> >  On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:17, Karen Lewellen  
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >  yes, that is exactly what I am saying.
> >  And  I wish to also know where system sound effects volume is 
> >  managed, as I dare say it differs from say voiceover volume.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > 
> > >  Hi,
> > > 
> > >  If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will 
> > >  normally be set low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, 
> > >  or startup your computer from scratch, you do not hear any startup 
> > >  chime?
> > > 
> > >  Later…
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  Tim Kilburn

> > >  Jamf Certified Tech
> > >  Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> > >  Apple Teacher
> > >  (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > >  Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > > 
> > > >  On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen 
> > > >   wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >  Hi Tim,
> > > >  My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big 
> > > >  shore, which   may be why the sound is missing.
> > > >  As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, 
> > > >  was never a windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy 
> > > >  laughs.

> > > >  What about turning up the sound if needful?
> > > >  Kare
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > >  Hi,
> > > > > 
> > > > >  The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of 
> > > > >  Mac.  That is, the startup chime should still work normally on 
> > > > >  that device without any intervention in System Preferences.  
> > > > >  I’m willing to be corrected, but I also believe that the 
> > > > >  checkbox that they’re speaking of was not present in Catalina, 
> > > > >  only Big Sur and newer.
> > > > > 
> > > > >  No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a 
> > > > >  chime that is sounded as part of the boot process.  In older 
> > > > >  Macs, before it was removed, it doubled as kind of a system 
> > > > >  check.  If you heard that noise, then the hardware was OK, and 
> > > > >  it should proceed to bring up the MacOS, unless the drive was a 
> > > > >  problem.
> > > > > 
> > > > >  HTH.
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Later…
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Tim Kilburn

> > > > >  Jamf Certified Tech
> > > > >  Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> > > > >  Apple Teacher
> > > > >  (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > > > >  Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > > > > 
> > > > > >  On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen 
> > > > > >   wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  hi everyone,
> > > > > >  I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 
> > > > > >  10.15.7 Catalina.
> > > > > >  I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being 
> > > > > >  removed, was told by apple accessibility that this is 
> > > > > >  corrected  by accessing system preferences, sound, sound 
> > > > > >  effects, and making sure there is a checkbox beside start up 
> > > > > >  sound.
> > > > > >  What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up 
> > > > > >  sound 

Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Karen Lewellen]

as in system preferences,  output?
As stated I have to guide someone else to the option.



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote:


System volume is under Output.


On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:17, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

what I am still missing is where one changes the system volume itself.
I understand that about voiceover volume, but the start up sound is a system 
volume effect,  and unless I missed a post, the details for adjusting system 
volume have not been shared?
Karen



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

Basically, sound  effects are at the same volume as the system.  So, if you 
have your volume set to 50%, then the sound effects will also be played at 50%. 
 VoiceOver has its own level that is changed with the system volume, but it 
depends on where VO volume is set to begin with.  For example, you can use the 
rotor to decrease the volume of VO in reference to the system volume.  Pressing 
VO-cmd-shift-left or right until you hear VO announce “Volume”, then keeping 
the VO-cmd-shift keys down and pressing the down or up volume will only change 
the VoiceOver volume.  Thus, you can change the VO volume to, let’s say, 40%, 
and it will not affect the sound effects or other media volumes.  Turning up or 
down the system volume will change the VO volume relative, but it will stay at 
40% of the system volume.

I hope that this makes sense.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:17, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

yes, that is exactly what I am saying.
And  I wish to also know where system sound effects volume is managed, as I 
dare say it differs from say voiceover volume.



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be set 
low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your computer 
from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hi Tim,
My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, which   
may be why the sound is missing.
As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never a 
windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
What about turning up the sound if needful?
Kare



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  That is, 
the startup chime should still work normally on that device without any 
intervention in System Preferences.  I’m willing to be corrected, but I also 
believe that the checkbox that they’re speaking of was not present in Catalina, 
only Big Sur and newer.

No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime that is 
sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it was removed, it 
doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that noise, then the hardware 
was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the MacOS, unless the drive was a 
problem.

HTH.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

hi everyone,
I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 Catalina.
I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, was told 
by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing system preferences, 
sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a checkbox beside start up sound.
What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound volume is 
turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when awakening 
the mac, opening the lid?
Thanks,
Karen




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Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Herbie Allen]

Actually, with the startup sound, I don’t even know if you can change the 
volume. Maybe in terminal, but I don’t think I can even change the volume level 
of VO on the logon Screen that you get with File Valt and I don’t think I could 
last time I had it in recovery mode, though that was a while back so I could be 
wrong on that one.

> On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:21, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> I am not interested in doing this in the terminal, although I imagine 
> Johnathan's information will help someone.
> Instead I am interested in where the settings for system volume are located.
> I intend on Thursday to have sighted help adjust this setting, I am not solid 
> enough in voiceover as of yet to do this, we are still optimizing my computer 
> for my use.
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You can use:
>> 
>> sudo nvram StartupMute=%00
>> 
>> To enable the startup chime on a Mac where it has been muted.  Remember that 
>> in Terminal, when you use the “sudo” command, you will be asked to enter 
>> your password if you’re an Admin of the computer.  There will be no audio 
>> feedback when entering this password in Terminal like you would here in 
>> regular situations. If you’re not in an Admin account, you will not be able 
>> to use this command.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:24, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On mac's that do not have startup chime, you can still enable it in the 
>>> terminal app with a command that examines and changes nvram settings for 
>>> the computer. I think it might have been Alex Hall that posted the recipe 
>>> to turn this on.  Or perhaps a man ---  c nvram will pull up the sntax. My 
>>> mac is a couple 100 miles away so can't be very specific.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:59 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be 
 set low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your 
 computer from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, 
> which   may be why the sound is missing.
> As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never 
> a windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
> What about turning up the sound if needful?
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  
>> That is, the startup chime should still work normally on that device 
>> without any intervention in System Preferences.  I’m willing to be 
>> corrected, but I also believe that the checkbox that they’re speaking of 
>> was not present in Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.
>> 
>> No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime 
>> that is sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it 
>> was removed, it doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that 
>> noise, then the hardware was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the 
>> MacOS, unless the drive was a problem.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi everyone,
>>> I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 
>>> Catalina.
>>> I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, 
>>> was told by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing 
>>> system preferences, sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a 
>>> checkbox beside start up sound.
>>> What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound 
>>> volume is turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
>>> Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when 
>>> awakening the mac, opening the lid?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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Re: system audio volume revisited?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

Karen,
   Look on the Sound Effects tab near the bottom of that window.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
 --John F. Kennedy
My e-Mail:
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/7/2022 7:17 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

what I am still missing is where one changes the system volume itself.
I understand that about voiceover volume, but the start up sound is a 
system volume effect,  and unless I missed a post, the details for 
adjusting system volume have not been shared?

Karen



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

Basically, sound  effects are at the same volume as the system.  So, 
if you have your volume set to 50%, then the sound effects will also 
be played at 50%.  VoiceOver has its own level that is changed with 
the system volume, but it depends on where VO volume is set to begin 
with.  For example, you can use the rotor to decrease the volume of VO 
in reference to the system volume.  Pressing VO-cmd-shift-left or 
right until you hear VO announce “Volume”, then keeping the 
VO-cmd-shift keys down and pressing the down or up volume will only 
change the VoiceOver volume.  Thus, you can change the VO volume to, 
let’s say, 40%, and it will not affect the sound effects or other 
media volumes.  Turning up or down the system volume will change the 
VO volume relative, but it will stay at 40% of the system volume.


I hope that this makes sense.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:17, Karen Lewellen  
wrote:


yes, that is exactly what I am saying.
And  I wish to also know where system sound effects volume is 
managed, as I dare say it differs from say voiceover volume.




On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will 
normally be set low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, 
or startup your computer from scratch, you do not hear any startup 
chime?


Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen  
wrote:


Hi Tim,
My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big 
shore, which   may be why the sound is missing.
As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was 
never a windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.

What about turning up the sound if needful?
Kare



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of 
Mac.  That is, the startup chime should still work normally on 
that device without any intervention in System Preferences.  I’m 
willing to be corrected, but I also believe that the checkbox that 
they’re speaking of was not present in Catalina, only Big Sur and 
newer.


No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a 
chime that is sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, 
before it was removed, it doubled as kind of a system check.  If 
you heard that noise, then the hardware was OK, and it should 
proceed to bring up the MacOS, unless the drive was a problem.


HTH.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen 
 wrote:


hi everyone,
I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 
10.15.7 Catalina.
I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being 
removed, was told by apple accessibility that this is corrected  
by accessing system preferences, sound, sound effects, and making 
sure there is a checkbox beside start up sound.
What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound 
volume is turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen 
when awakening the mac, opening the lid?

Thanks,
Karen




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Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Herbie Allen]

System volume is under Output.

> On Jun 7, 2022, at 21:17, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> what I am still missing is where one changes the system volume itself.
> I understand that about voiceover volume, but the start up sound is a system 
> volume effect,  and unless I missed a post, the details for adjusting system 
> volume have not been shared?
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Basically, sound  effects are at the same volume as the system.  So, if you 
>> have your volume set to 50%, then the sound effects will also be played at 
>> 50%.  VoiceOver has its own level that is changed with the system volume, 
>> but it depends on where VO volume is set to begin with.  For example, you 
>> can use the rotor to decrease the volume of VO in reference to the system 
>> volume.  Pressing VO-cmd-shift-left or right until you hear VO announce 
>> “Volume”, then keeping the VO-cmd-shift keys down and pressing the down or 
>> up volume will only change the VoiceOver volume.  Thus, you can change the 
>> VO volume to, let’s say, 40%, and it will not affect the sound effects or 
>> other media volumes.  Turning up or down the system volume will change the 
>> VO volume relative, but it will stay at 40% of the system volume.
>> 
>> I hope that this makes sense.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:17, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> yes, that is exactly what I am saying.
>>> And  I wish to also know where system sound effects volume is managed, as I 
>>> dare say it differs from say voiceover volume.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be 
 set low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your 
 computer from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, 
> which   may be why the sound is missing.
> As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never 
> a windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
> What about turning up the sound if needful?
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  
>> That is, the startup chime should still work normally on that device 
>> without any intervention in System Preferences.  I’m willing to be 
>> corrected, but I also believe that the checkbox that they’re speaking of 
>> was not present in Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.
>> 
>> No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime 
>> that is sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it 
>> was removed, it doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that 
>> noise, then the hardware was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the 
>> MacOS, unless the drive was a problem.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi everyone,
>>> I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 
>>> Catalina.
>>> I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, 
>>> was told by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing 
>>> system preferences, sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a 
>>> checkbox beside start up sound.
>>> What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound 
>>> volume is turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
>>> Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when 
>>> awakening the mac, opening the lid?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Karen Lewellen]

I am not interested in doing this in the terminal, although I imagine 
Johnathan's information will help someone.

Instead I am interested in where the settings for system volume are located.
I intend on Thursday to have sighted help adjust this setting, I am not 
solid enough in voiceover as of yet to do this, we are still optimizing my 
computer for my use.

Karen



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

You can use:

sudo nvram StartupMute=%00

To enable the startup chime on a Mac where it has been muted.  Remember that in 
Terminal, when you use the ???sudo??? command, you will be asked to enter your 
password if you???re an Admin of the computer.  There will be no audio feedback 
when entering this password in Terminal like you would here in regular 
situations. If you???re not in an Admin account, you will not be able to use 
this command.

HTH.

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:24, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:

On mac's that do not have startup chime, you can still enable it in the 
terminal app with a command that examines and changes nvram settings for the 
computer. I think it might have been Alex Hall that posted the recipe to turn 
this on.  Or perhaps a man ---  c nvram will pull up the sntax. My mac is a 
couple 100 miles away so can't be very specific.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:59 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

???Hi,

If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be set 
low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your computer 
from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

Hi Tim,
My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, which   
may be why the sound is missing.
As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never a 
windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
What about turning up the sound if needful?
Kare



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  That is, 
the startup chime should still work normally on that device without any 
intervention in System Preferences.  I???m willing to be corrected, but I also 
believe that the checkbox that they???re speaking of was not present in 
Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.

No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime that is 
sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it was removed, it 
doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that noise, then the hardware 
was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the MacOS, unless the drive was a 
problem.

HTH.

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:

hi everyone,
I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 Catalina.
I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, was told 
by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing system preferences, 
sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a checkbox beside start up sound.
What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound volume is 
turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when awakening 
the mac, opening the lid?
Thanks,
Karen




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Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Karen Lewellen]

what I am still missing is where one changes the system volume itself.
I understand that about voiceover volume, but the start up sound is a 
system volume effect,  and unless I missed a post, the details for 
adjusting system volume have not been shared?

Karen



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

Basically, sound  effects are at the same volume as the system.  So, if you 
have your volume set to 50%, then the sound effects will also be played at 50%. 
 VoiceOver has its own level that is changed with the system volume, but it 
depends on where VO volume is set to begin with.  For example, you can use the 
rotor to decrease the volume of VO in reference to the system volume.  Pressing 
VO-cmd-shift-left or right until you hear VO announce ???Volume???, then 
keeping the VO-cmd-shift keys down and pressing the down or up volume will only 
change the VoiceOver volume.  Thus, you can change the VO volume to, let???s 
say, 40%, and it will not affect the sound effects or other media volumes.  
Turning up or down the system volume will change the VO volume relative, but it 
will stay at 40% of the system volume.

I hope that this makes sense.

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:17, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

yes, that is exactly what I am saying.
And  I wish to also know where system sound effects volume is managed, as I 
dare say it differs from say voiceover volume.



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be set 
low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your computer 
from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hi Tim,
My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, which   
may be why the sound is missing.
As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never a 
windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
What about turning up the sound if needful?
Kare



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  That is, 
the startup chime should still work normally on that device without any 
intervention in System Preferences.  I???m willing to be corrected, but I also 
believe that the checkbox that they???re speaking of was not present in 
Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.

No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime that is 
sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it was removed, it 
doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that noise, then the hardware 
was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the MacOS, unless the drive was a 
problem.

HTH.

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

hi everyone,
I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 Catalina.
I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, was told 
by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing system preferences, 
sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a checkbox beside start up sound.
What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound volume is 
turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when awakening 
the mac, opening the lid?
Thanks,
Karen




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Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Karen Lewellen]

My information  from apple accessibility is that there is a checkbox for 
the start up sound under system preferences, sound, sound effects.




On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:


On mac's that do not have startup chime, you can still enable it in the 
terminal app with a command that examines and changes nvram settings for the 
computer. I think it might have been Alex Hall that posted the recipe to turn 
this on.  Or perhaps a man ---  c nvram will pull up the sntax. My mac is a 
couple 100 miles away so can't be very specific.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:59 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

???Hi,

If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be set 
low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your computer 
from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hi Tim,
My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, which   
may be why the sound is missing.
As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never a 
windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
What about turning up the sound if needful?
Kare




On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  That is, 
the startup chime should still work normally on that device without any 
intervention in System Preferences.  I???m willing to be corrected, but I also 
believe that the checkbox that they???re speaking of was not present in 
Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.

No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime that is 
sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it was removed, it 
doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that noise, then the hardware 
was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the MacOS, unless the drive was a 
problem.

HTH.

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

hi everyone,
I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 Catalina.
I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, was told 
by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing system preferences, 
sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a checkbox beside start up sound.
What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound volume is 
turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when awakening 
the mac, opening the lid?
Thanks,
Karen




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Re: system audio volume revisited?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

You can use:

sudo nvram StartupMute=%00

To enable the startup chime on a Mac where it has been muted.  Remember that in 
Terminal, when you use the “sudo” command, you will be asked to enter your 
password if you’re an Admin of the computer.  There will be no audio feedback 
when entering this password in Terminal like you would here in regular 
situations. If you’re not in an Admin account, you will not be able to use this 
command.

HTH.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:24, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> On mac's that do not have startup chime, you can still enable it in the 
> terminal app with a command that examines and changes nvram settings for the 
> computer. I think it might have been Alex Hall that posted the recipe to turn 
> this on.  Or perhaps a man ---  c nvram will pull up the sntax. My mac is a 
> couple 100 miles away so can't be very specific. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:59 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be set 
>> low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your computer 
>> from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, 
>>> which   may be why the sound is missing.
>>> As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never a 
>>> windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
>>> What about turning up the sound if needful?
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  That 
 is, the startup chime should still work normally on that device without 
 any intervention in System Preferences.  I’m willing to be corrected, but 
 I also believe that the checkbox that they’re speaking of was not present 
 in Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.
 
 No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime that 
 is sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it was 
 removed, it doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that noise, 
 then the hardware was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the MacOS, 
 unless the drive was a problem.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen  > wrote:
> 
> hi everyone,
> I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 
> Catalina.
> I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, 
> was told by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing 
> system preferences, sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a 
> checkbox beside start up sound.
> What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound volume 
> is turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
> Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when 
> awakening the mac, opening the lid?
> Thanks,
> Karen
> 
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Re: system audio volume revisited?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Basically, sound  effects are at the same volume as the system.  So, if you 
have your volume set to 50%, then the sound effects will also be played at 50%. 
 VoiceOver has its own level that is changed with the system volume, but it 
depends on where VO volume is set to begin with.  For example, you can use the 
rotor to decrease the volume of VO in reference to the system volume.  Pressing 
VO-cmd-shift-left or right until you hear VO announce “Volume”, then keeping 
the VO-cmd-shift keys down and pressing the down or up volume will only change 
the VoiceOver volume.  Thus, you can change the VO volume to, let’s say, 40%, 
and it will not affect the sound effects or other media volumes.  Turning up or 
down the system volume will change the VO volume relative, but it will stay at 
40% of the system volume.

I hope that this makes sense.

Later…
   

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 7, 2022, at 16:17, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> yes, that is exactly what I am saying.
> And  I wish to also know where system sound effects volume is managed, as I 
> dare say it differs from say voiceover volume.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be set 
>> low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your computer 
>> from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, 
>>> which   may be why the sound is missing.
>>> As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never a 
>>> windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
>>> What about turning up the sound if needful?
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  That 
 is, the startup chime should still work normally on that device without 
 any intervention in System Preferences.  I’m willing to be corrected, but 
 I also believe that the checkbox that they’re speaking of was not present 
 in Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.
 
 No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime that 
 is sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it was 
 removed, it doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that noise, 
 then the hardware was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the MacOS, 
 unless the drive was a problem.
 
 HTH.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> hi everyone,
> I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 
> Catalina.
> I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, 
> was told by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing 
> system preferences, sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a 
> checkbox beside start up sound.
> What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound volume 
> is turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
> Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when 
> awakening the mac, opening the lid?
> Thanks,
> Karen
> 
> 
 
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Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

On mac's that do not have startup chime, you can still enable it in the 
terminal app with a command that examines and changes nvram settings for the 
computer. I think it might have been Alex Hall that posted the recipe to turn 
this on.  Or perhaps a man ---  c nvram will pull up the sntax. My mac is a 
couple 100 miles away so can't be very specific. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:59 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be set 
> low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your computer 
> from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, 
>> which   may be why the sound is missing.
>> As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never a 
>> windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
>> What about turning up the sound if needful?
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  That 
>>> is, the startup chime should still work normally on that device without any 
>>> intervention in System Preferences.  I’m willing to be corrected, but I 
>>> also believe that the checkbox that they’re speaking of was not present in 
>>> Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.
>>> 
>>> No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime that 
>>> is sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it was 
>>> removed, it doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that noise, 
>>> then the hardware was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the MacOS, 
>>> unless the drive was a problem.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
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 On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
 
 hi everyone,
 I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 
 Catalina.
 I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, was 
 told by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing system 
 preferences, sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a checkbox 
 beside start up sound.
 What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound volume 
 is turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
 Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when 
 awakening the mac, opening the lid?
 Thanks,
 Karen
 
 
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Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Karen Lewellen]

yes, that is exactly what I am saying.
And  I wish to also know where system sound effects volume is managed, as 
I dare say it differs from say voiceover volume.




On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be set 
low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your computer 
from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hi Tim,
My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, which   
may be why the sound is missing.
As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never a 
windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
What about turning up the sound if needful?
Kare



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  That is, 
the startup chime should still work normally on that device without any 
intervention in System Preferences.  I???m willing to be corrected, but I also 
believe that the checkbox that they???re speaking of was not present in 
Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.

No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime that is 
sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it was removed, it 
doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that noise, then the hardware 
was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the MacOS, unless the drive was a 
problem.

HTH.

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

hi everyone,
I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 Catalina.
I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, was told 
by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing system preferences, 
sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a checkbox beside start up sound.
What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound volume is 
turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when awakening 
the mac, opening the lid?
Thanks,
Karen




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Re: A Basic Question on Changing Sound Sources

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

A VoiceOver search i.e. VO with the F  key or using item chooser could let you 
jump directly to the output output source that you want without moving  through 
the other fields.

 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 7, 2022, at 1:21 PM, Herman Fermin  wrote:
> 
> Kelly, go to the extra's menu and access the volume. In there you will be 
> able to access your outputs without activating them. I'm not in front of my 
> Mac so can't give exact steps but this should get you going.
> 
> Herman
> 
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 8:16 AM 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> This is due to the mouse cursor following the VO cursor, which is the 
>> preferred configuration in my opinion.  To get around this, once you enter 
>> the table of output choices, press VO-shift-f3 to turn cursor tracking off.  
>> This does though create a complication when trying to select the output 
>> choice.  You either need to then route the mouse to the VO cursor with 
>> VO-FN-cmd-f5, or go one up or down from the one you wish to choose, turn 
>> cursor tracking back on with VO-shift-f3 then move up or down to the desired 
>> choice for the selection to take effect.
>> 
>> I hope this makes sense.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
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>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 07:54, Kaare Dehard  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, kelly.
>>> When in the list have you tried typing the first letter of the usb device 
>>> to force a direct jump to the item you want?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 7, 2022, at 9:52 AM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
 
 Hi,
  
 Maybe I’m missing it but is there a way to move through the list of sound 
 sources for output and not have each sound source selected as you move.  
 For example, if my Mac output is set to speakers, the next item in order 
 in my list of sound sources in the table is my Apple TV device.  The third 
 is a USB sound device I have connected.
  
 Late at night, I want to switch to the USB device but it often first 
 results in some sound going to the Apple TV.
  
 I’m interacting with the table of devices with output selected in the 
 Sound item in System Preferences.
  
  
 
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Re: system audio volume revisited?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

If your volume is set low, then, yes, the startup chime will normally be set 
low as well.  Are you saying that when you restart, or startup your computer 
from scratch, you do not hear any startup chime?

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:51, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, which 
>   may be why the sound is missing.
> As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never a 
> windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.
> What about turning up the sound if needful?
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  That 
>> is, the startup chime should still work normally on that device without any 
>> intervention in System Preferences.  I’m willing to be corrected, but I also 
>> believe that the checkbox that they’re speaking of was not present in 
>> Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.
>> 
>> No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime that 
>> is sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it was 
>> removed, it doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that noise, 
>> then the hardware was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the MacOS, 
>> unless the drive was a problem.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi everyone,
>>> I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 
>>> Catalina.
>>> I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, was 
>>> told by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing system 
>>> preferences, sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a checkbox 
>>> beside start up sound.
>>> What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound volume is 
>>> turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
>>> Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when 
>>> awakening the mac, opening the lid?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: system audio volume revisited?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Tim,
My understanding is that this is the very last Mac os before big shore, 
which   may be why the sound is missing.
As i am profoundly new to all this, I want to insure I have it, was never a 
windows user so all this boot time makes me crazy laughs.

What about turning up the sound if needful?
Kare



On Tue, 7 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  That is, 
the startup chime should still work normally on that device without any 
intervention in System Preferences.  I???m willing to be corrected, but I also 
believe that the checkbox that they???re speaking of was not present in 
Catalina, only Big Sur and newer.

No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime that is 
sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it was removed, it 
doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that noise, then the hardware 
was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the MacOS, unless the drive was a 
problem.

HTH.

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

hi everyone,
I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 Catalina.
I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, was told 
by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing system preferences, 
sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a checkbox beside start up sound.
What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound volume is 
turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when awakening 
the mac, opening the lid?
Thanks,
Karen




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Re: system audio volume revisited?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

The startup chime was a computer specific item in that model of Mac.  That is, 
the startup chime should still work normally on that device without any 
intervention in System Preferences.  I’m willing to be corrected, but I also 
believe that the checkbox that they’re speaking of was not present in Catalina, 
only Big Sur and newer.

No, it will not make that sound upon opening the lid as it is a chime that is 
sounded as part of the boot process.  In older Macs, before it was removed, it 
doubled as kind of a system check.  If you heard that noise, then the hardware 
was OK, and it should proceed to bring up the MacOS, unless the drive was a 
problem.

HTH.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 7, 2022, at 15:35, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> hi everyone,
> I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 Catalina.
> I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, was 
> told by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing system 
> preferences, sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a checkbox beside 
> start up sound.
> What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound volume is 
> turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
> Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when awakening 
> the mac, opening the lid?
> Thanks,
> Karen
> 
> 

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system audio volume revisited?

[Karen Lewellen]

hi everyone,
I have a mid 2012 15 inch macbook pro retina now running os 10.15.7 
Catalina.
I recall  the discussion about the apple start up sound being removed, was 
told by apple accessibility that this is corrected  by accessing system 
preferences, sound, sound effects, and making sure there is a checkbox 
beside start up sound.
What I do not recall though is how one insures the start up sound volume 
is turned up,  something I want to know just in case.
Also, if the start up sound is  provided, does it also happen when 
awakening the mac, opening the lid?

Thanks,
Karen

Re: U.P.S. for Backup

[Chuck Reichel]

Hi Et,
Heres a very dependable back up power supply.
Furman F1500-UPS Uninterruptible Power Supply and Voltage Regulator.
It will supply 12 amps which takes care of most all your needs.
The price tag is worth it though.
HTH
Chuck


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Re: A Basic Question on Changing Sound Sources

[Herman Fermin]

Kelly, go to the extra's menu and access the volume. In there you will be
able to access your outputs without activating them. I'm not in front of my
Mac so can't give exact steps but this should get you going.

Herman

On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 8:16 AM 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries <
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This is due to the mouse cursor following the VO cursor, which is the
> preferred configuration in my opinion.  To get around this, once you enter
> the table of output choices, press VO-shift-f3 to turn cursor tracking
> off.  This does though create a complication when trying to select the
> output choice.  You either need to then route the mouse to the VO cursor
> with VO-FN-cmd-f5, or go one up or down from the one you wish to choose,
> turn cursor tracking back on with VO-shift-f3 then move up or down to the
> desired choice for the selection to take effect.
>
> I hope this makes sense.
>
> Later…
>
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Jun 7, 2022, at 07:54, Kaare Dehard  wrote:
>
> Hi, kelly.
> When in the list have you tried typing the first letter of the usb device
> to force a direct jump to the item you want?
>
>
> On Jun 7, 2022, at 9:52 AM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Maybe I’m missing it but is there a way to move through the list of sound
> sources for output and not have each sound source selected as you move.
> For example, if my Mac output is set to speakers, the next item in order in
> my list of sound sources in the table is my Apple TV device.  The third is
> a USB sound device I have connected.
>
> Late at night, I want to switch to the USB device but it often first
> results in some sound going to the Apple TV.
>
> I’m interacting with the table of devices with output selected in the
> Sound item in System Preferences.
>
>
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Re: A Basic Question on Changing Sound Sources

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

This is due to the mouse cursor following the VO cursor, which is the preferred 
configuration in my opinion.  To get around this, once you enter the table of 
output choices, press VO-shift-f3 to turn cursor tracking off.  This does 
though create a complication when trying to select the output choice.  You 
either need to then route the mouse to the VO cursor with VO-FN-cmd-f5, or go 
one up or down from the one you wish to choose, turn cursor tracking back on 
with VO-shift-f3 then move up or down to the desired choice for the selection 
to take effect.

I hope this makes sense.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
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Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jun 7, 2022, at 07:54, Kaare Dehard  wrote:
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> Hi, kelly.
> When in the list have you tried typing the first letter of the usb device to 
> force a direct jump to the item you want?
> 
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 9:52 AM, Kelly Ford > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>>  
>> Maybe I’m missing it but is there a way to move through the list of sound 
>> sources for output and not have each sound source selected as you move.  For 
>> example, if my Mac output is set to speakers, the next item in order in my 
>> list of sound sources in the table is my Apple TV device.  The third is a 
>> USB sound device I have connected.
>>  
>> Late at night, I want to switch to the USB device but it often first results 
>> in some sound going to the Apple TV.
>>  
>> I’m interacting with the table of devices with output selected in the Sound 
>> item in System Preferences.
>>  
>>  
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Re: A Basic Question on Changing Sound Sources

[Kaare Dehard]

Hi, kelly.
When in the list have you tried typing the first letter of the usb device to 
force a direct jump to the item you want?


> On Jun 7, 2022, at 9:52 AM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
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> Hi,
>  
> Maybe I’m missing it but is there a way to move through the list of sound 
> sources for output and not have each sound source selected as you move.  For 
> example, if my Mac output is set to speakers, the next item in order in my 
> list of sound sources in the table is my Apple TV device.  The third is a USB 
> sound device I have connected.
>  
> Late at night, I want to switch to the USB device but it often first results 
> in some sound going to the Apple TV.
>  
> I’m interacting with the table of devices with output selected in the Sound 
> item in System Preferences.
>  
>  
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A Basic Question on Changing Sound Sources

[Kelly Ford]

Hi,

Maybe I’m missing it but is there a way to move through the list of sound 
sources for output and not have each sound source selected as you move.  For 
example, if my Mac output is set to speakers, the next item in order in my list 
of sound sources in the table is my Apple TV device.  The third is a USB sound 
device I have connected.

Late at night, I want to switch to the USB device but it often first results in 
some sound going to the Apple TV.

I’m interacting with the table of devices with output selected in the Sound 
item in System Preferences.


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