Re: New Kindle App For Mac

[Michael Babcock]

Hey Kelly,

Thanks for sharing this.

I had not checked out Kindle on the Mac and will download this early next week 
to play with it.

Have a beautiful day.

best
Michael - KJ7PAZ
Payown Media, LLC

> On Sep 30, 2023, at 7:06 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I don’t know what sort of results others had trying to read Kindle books on a 
> Mac but for me it never worked. Earlier this month Amazon replaced the Mac 
> Kindle app with a new one that can be downloaded from  
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/f.html?C=2NDKK4Z370WL0=OENZWTSEAM6Y=urn:rtn:msg:20230928201021b6d8bf2029864addbf5336a46160p0na=3QSXJRRSLV94F=C=https%3A%2F%2Fapps.apple.com%2Fus%2Fapp%2Famazon-kindle%2Fid302584613=644ZGOXXVAQQLVDV9HYCDHXJGOYA.
> 
> This version seems to work with VoiceOver a lot like the iOS version does. So 
> far continuous reading seems to stop at the end of each page and you have to 
> use a next page command in the app to get more content. Maybe there’s an 
> option I’m not finding to change this.
> 
> Kelly
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Re: Using the new macOS Sonoma

['Dan Eickmeier' via MacVisionaries]

Yeah, that’s what I would’ve thought as well, Jason.

Dan Eickmeier. Beamsville, Ontario Canada.  Amateur radio callsign: VA3ETS
Twitter: http://twitter.com/va3ets Mastodon: va3ets@mstdn.social

> On Sep 30, 2023, at 1:07 PM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
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> Presumably, if caps lock is configured as the VO modifier, holding it should 
> never change the state of the caps lock function, and should never warn about 
> it.
>  
> From: 'Dan Eickmeier' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2023 11:55 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using the new macOS Sonoma
>  
> Agreed, this  is very annoying.  I've switched back to using control option 
> for my VO modifier.  Not sure if there’s any way to turn this off,  or if 
> it’s a feature, rather than a bug.  
> Dan Eickmeier. Beamsville, Ontario Canada.  Amateur radio callsign: VA3ETS
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/va3ets Mastodon: va3ets@mstdn.social 
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> 
> 
> On Sep 27, 2023, at 9:35 PM, Kelly Ford  > wrote:
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> For me this happens if I have caps lock down and move into an edit box. I 
> reported it to Apple during the beta and find it vexing.
>  
> My current solution is to turn on arrow key quick nav more frequently and use 
> that instead of caps+left or right.
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On Sep 27, 2023, at 7:54 PM, 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> I do.
> it only seems to do it, when I’m holding it down.
> 
> 
> On Sep 27, 2023, at 6:16 PM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Do you have caps lock configured as a VoiceOver modifier? Mine is, and I 
> can’t reproduce your issue (MacOS Sonoma).
> I suppose you could try a double press of caps lock to turn it off, if it is 
> on.
>  
> From: 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries  >
> Date: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 15:31
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Using the new macOS Sonoma
> 
> Hi folks. I”m really liking .
> One weird thing, whenever I hold down the cap lock  key on my keyboard it 
> keeps telling me to turn off the cap lock key. Does anybody have any idea how 
> I can make it stop doing that?
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New Kindle App For Mac

[Kelly Ford]

Hi,

I don’t know what sort of results others had trying to read Kindle books on a 
Mac but for me it never worked. Earlier this month Amazon replaced the Mac 
Kindle app with a new one that can be downloaded from  
https://www.amazon.com/gp/f.html?C=2NDKK4Z370WL0=OENZWTSEAM6Y=urn:rtn:msg:20230928201021b6d8bf2029864addbf5336a46160p0na=3QSXJRRSLV94F=C=https%3A%2F%2Fapps.apple.com%2Fus%2Fapp%2Famazon-kindle%2Fid302584613=644ZGOXXVAQQLVDV9HYCDHXJGOYA.

This version seems to work with VoiceOver a lot like the iOS version does. So 
far continuous reading seems to stop at the end of each page and you have to 
use a next page command in the app to get more content. Maybe there’s an option 
I’m not finding to change this.

Kelly

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Re: Gmail on my Mac

[Brad Snyder]

You need to access your account settings online, and enable IMAP, in order to 
use a mail client.
You will find this in the section labeled IMAP, POP and Forwarding.

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On Sep 30, 2023, at 16:23, agent086b  wrote:

Hi,
this is the first time connecting to Google. I thought you only used forwarding 
when going to another address. In this case I am wanting my mail client to 
fetch my Google messages.
Thanks again.
Max.

> On 1 Oct 2023, at 05:51, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> Is this your first time of connecting gMail to a mail client?
> If so,
> You may need to enable iMap or mail forwarding in the gMail settings on the 
> website.
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
>> On Sep 27, 2023, at 7:01 PM, agent086b  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> thanks for the reply. I am trying to get an gmail account to connect with my 
>> mail on Mac but I can not get this to work.
>> Max.
>> 
>>> On 28 Sep 2023, at 08:17, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
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>>> Hi,
>>> If you press control+option+J, 
>>> From the message list, it should put you in the folder list.
>>> Move to the top to All Inboxes.
>>> Now press control+Option+J to move to the message list. 
>>> I hope this is what you were looking for.
>>> Rob
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 26, 2023, at 6:51 PM, agent086b  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 I have a need to switch list mail to Gmail on my Mac.
 I have created the account by selecting Google from the options given. 
 Gone through the 2 step verification all appears to be correct.
 I would like the incoming messages to to the existing folders on the Mac.
 I notice Google have created there own folders inbox trash etc.
 I have sent some messages to the Google account but I don’t appear to be 
 receiving them. 
 Anybody have steps to set up this properly? 
 Thanks for any help.
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Re: Do Not Disturb in IOS16

[Brad Snyder]

Try going into the Control Center, where you will be able to toggle DND on/off, 
as well as other options for using DND.

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On Sep 30, 2023, at 16:03, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I know that to access Do NOt Disturb I go into settings and then go to focus. 
when I go into Do NOt Disturb I find all these filters and ways to customize it 
but what I don’t find is On and Off. all I want to do is turn it on sometimes 
and have absolutely nothing disturb me for a period of time while I’m involved 
on Zoom or Whatsapp. is there an On button somewhere or does just opening it 
activate it?

thanks.
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Re: Do Not Disturb in IOS16

[Herbie Allen]

Selecting the focus turns it on or you can use Siri.

> On Sep 30, 2023, at 16:03, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I know that to access Do NOt Disturb I go into settings and then go to focus. 
> when I go into Do NOt Disturb I find all these filters and ways to customize 
> it but what I don’t find is On and Off. all I want to do is turn it on 
> sometimes and have absolutely nothing disturb me for a period of time while 
> I’m involved on Zoom or Whatsapp. is there an On button somewhere or does 
> just opening it activate it?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: Gmail on my Mac

[agent086b]

Hi,
this is the first time connecting to Google. I thought you only used forwarding 
when going to another address. In this case I am wanting my mail client to 
fetch my Google messages.
Thanks again.
Max.

> On 1 Oct 2023, at 05:51, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Is this your first time of connecting gMail to a mail client?
> If so,
> You may need to enable iMap or mail forwarding in the gMail settings on the 
> website.
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
>> On Sep 27, 2023, at 7:01 PM, agent086b  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> thanks for the reply. I am trying to get an gmail account to connect with my 
>> mail on Mac but I can not get this to work.
>> Max.
>> 
>>> On 28 Sep 2023, at 08:17, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> If you press control+option+J, 
>>> From the message list, it should put you in the folder list.
>>> Move to the top to All Inboxes.
>>> Now press control+Option+J to move to the message list. 
>>> I hope this is what you were looking for.
>>> Rob
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 26, 2023, at 6:51 PM, agent086b  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 I have a need to switch list mail to Gmail on my Mac.
 I have created the account by selecting Google from the options given. 
 Gone through the 2 step verification all appears to be correct.
 I would like the incoming messages to to the existing folders on the Mac.
 I notice Google have created there own folders inbox trash etc.
 I have sent some messages to the Google account but I don’t appear to be 
 receiving them. 
 Anybody have steps to set up this properly? 
 Thanks for any help.
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Do Not Disturb in IOS16

[Lorie McCloud]

I know that to access Do NOt Disturb I go into settings and then go to focus. 
when I go into Do NOt Disturb I find all these filters and ways to customize it 
but what I don’t find is On and Off. all I want to do is turn it on sometimes 
and have absolutely nothing disturb me for a period of time while I’m involved 
on Zoom or Whatsapp. is there an On button somewhere or does just opening it 
activate it?

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: Facebook Messenger on iPhone

[Lorie McCloud]

I have trouble with it too. it goes back and starts reading older messages 
instead of staying where I put it in terms of current exchanges.

> On Sep 29, 2023, at 11:51 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
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> It’s the Facebook messenger app that is the problem. Time for all of us to 
> start reviewing them on the App Store and marking as 1 star, and then place a 
> bug report in the review edit box along with the statement “not recommended 
> for blind VoiceOver users until the problem is fixed”. This will get 
> facebook’s attention a lot faster than contacting them via their apps.
> 
> -eric
> 
> 
>> On Sep 26, 2023, at 11:20 AM, Minh Ha > > wrote:
>> 
>> It's the Messenger app and the latest update. I was having this issue on iOS 
>> 16.6 starting a few weeks ago, and it's still happening with iOS 17. FB will 
>> periodically break Messenger in their updates. The only advice I can give is 
>> to contact FB Accessibility. They might or might not do anything about it. 
>> Minh Ha
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 26, 2023, at 12:39 PM, pdevasto0...@gmail.com 
>>>  wrote:
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>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>>  
>>> On my iPhone 3rd gen SE running iOS 16.6.1, whenever I go into Facebook 
>>> messenger and try to send a message, VO is going back several screens and 
>>> speaks their content entirely, rather than just what I sent, or the replies 
>>> I receive. Also, on my Braille display, messages are displayed with the 
>>> first and last cell containing all 8 dots.  I’ve noticed this for a while 
>>> now, and I’m wondering if possibly there might be something funny going on 
>>> with iOS 16.6, or maybe 16.5? A key to the answer may have to do with the 
>>> fact that I can’t remember what the presence of these 8-dot cells at each 
>>> end of the display means when VO is speaking. Also, I don’t have this issue 
>>> when running messenger on an older iPhone running the latest iOS 15 
>>> version. If anyone else uses FB Messenger, have you noticed this behavior, 
>>> and if so is there a workaround? I so appreciate any thoughts or 
>>> suggestions.
>>>  
>>> Thanks,
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Re: Gmail on my Mac

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
Is this your first time of connecting gMail to a mail client?
If so,
You may need to enable iMap or mail forwarding in the gMail settings on the 
website.

Rob


> On Sep 27, 2023, at 7:01 PM, agent086b  wrote:
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> Hi,
> thanks for the reply. I am trying to get an gmail account to connect with my 
> mail on Mac but I can not get this to work.
> Max.
> 
>> On 28 Sep 2023, at 08:17, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> If you press control+option+J, 
>> From the message list, it should put you in the folder list.
>> Move to the top to All Inboxes.
>> Now press control+Option+J to move to the message list. 
>> I hope this is what you were looking for.
>> Rob
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 26, 2023, at 6:51 PM, agent086b  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I have a need to switch list mail to Gmail on my Mac.
>>> I have created the account by selecting Google from the options given. Gone 
>>> through the 2 step verification all appears to be correct.
>>> I would like the incoming messages to to the existing folders on the Mac.
>>> I notice Google have created there own folders inbox trash etc.
>>> I have sent some messages to the Google account but I don’t appear to be 
>>> receiving them. 
>>> Anybody have steps to set up this properly? 
>>> Thanks for any help.
>>> Max.
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Re: Would I get Sonoma?

[Brad Snyder]

Sonoma requires MacBook Pro, 2019 or newer. Mac mini, 2018 or newer. MacBook Air, 2018 or newer.Obviously, anything with Apple Silicon can run Sonoma.HTH.- Brad -On Sep 30, 2023, at 11:57, John Panarese  wrote:    Yes, the cut off is something like Mac Book Pro 2018 or later. Maybe, 2019. I know my 2019 Mini is close to obsolescence.
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On Sep 30, 2023, at 12:51 PM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries  wrote:Not according to this Apple page:https://www.apple.com/macos/sonoma/You could have run a Web search and found this information in about 30 seconds, instead of asking others to do the work for you. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mohammad FazilSent: Saturday, September 30, 2023 12:14 PMTo: macvisionaries@googlegroups.comSubject: Would I get Sonoma? Hi, Group.I have MacbookPro 2017, would I get Sonoma?Thanks!-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.eduand your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/DS7PR20MB4159A19A84AB6C1D0C12AB94C9C7A%40DS7PR20MB4159.namprd20.prod.outlook.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/MN2PR20MB3383A66EC7F4BC998B6DCB85CFC7A%40MN2PR20MB3383.namprd20.prod.outlook.com.



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Re: Gmail on my Mac

['Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries]

Is your Google account shown under System Settings -> Internet Accounts as 
enabled for mail?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of agent086b 
Date: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 19:01
To: Mac List 
Subject: Re: Gmail on my Mac
Hi,
thanks for the reply. I am trying to get an gmail account to connect with my 
mail on Mac but I can not get this to work.
Max.

> On 28 Sep 2023, at 08:17, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi,
> If you press control+option+J,
> From the message list, it should put you in the folder list.
> Move to the top to All Inboxes.
> Now press control+Option+J to move to the message list.
> I hope this is what you were looking for.
> Rob
>
>
>> On Sep 26, 2023, at 6:51 PM, agent086b  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I have a need to switch list mail to Gmail on my Mac.
>> I have created the account by selecting Google from the options given. Gone 
>> through the 2 step verification all appears to be correct.
>> I would like the incoming messages to to the existing folders on the Mac.
>> I notice Google have created there own folders inbox trash etc.
>> I have sent some messages to the Google account but I don’t appear to be 
>> receiving them.
>> Anybody have steps to set up this properly?
>> Thanks for any help.
>> Max.
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RE: Creating keyboard shortcuts for iPad apps on Apple Silicon

['Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries]

Sorry - I forgot to add: if there's a menu entry for the control that you want, 
then you should be able to create a keyboard shortcut for it in the MacOS 
keyboard settings. I haven't used this feature, but apparently you need to 
enter the text of the menu entry exactly, including capitalization, to define 
the shortcut.
Obviously, this only works if the app's developers have created menu entries 
for the functionality that you want to use. I'm referring to the MacOS menus 
accessed with VO-M. 

-Original Message-
From: 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries  
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I'm not aware of any option to define new keyboard shortcuts - perhaps 
AppleScript would help, but I haven't investigated it.
You may find that the Item Chooser menu helps in navigating to desired controls 
quickly, as you can partially type the name of what you're looking for to move 
to it directly.
I hope this helps. I know it isn't the perfect solution.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Mohamed Fayed
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2023 1:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Creating keyboard shortcuts for iPad apps on Apple Silicon

Hi,

Hope my mail finds you well,

I wonder whether there is any method to add keyboard shortcuts to iPad apps 
installed on Apple Silicon MacBook.

If there is not, what tips od you have to improve my performance while using 
these apps?

Example application is ClaroPDF app that reads PDF content.

Thank you so much

Mohamed E. Fayed 

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RE: Creating keyboard shortcuts for iPad apps on Apple Silicon

['Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries]

I'm not aware of any option to define new keyboard shortcuts - perhaps 
AppleScript would help, but I haven't investigated it.
You may find that the Item Chooser menu helps in navigating to desired controls 
quickly, as you can partially type the name of what you're looking for to move 
to it directly.
I hope this helps. I know it isn't the perfect solution.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Mohamed Fayed
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2023 1:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Creating keyboard shortcuts for iPad apps on Apple Silicon

Hi,

Hope my mail finds you well,

I wonder whether there is any method to add keyboard shortcuts to iPad apps 
installed on Apple Silicon MacBook.

If there is not, what tips od you have to improve my performance while using 
these apps?

Example application is ClaroPDF app that reads PDF content.

Thank you so much

Mohamed E. Fayed 

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RE: Using the new macOS Sonoma

['Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries]

Presumably, if caps lock is configured as the VO modifier, holding it should 
never change the state of the caps lock function, and should never warn about 
it.

From: 'Dan Eickmeier' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2023 11:55 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using the new macOS Sonoma

Agreed, this  is very annoying.  I've switched back to using control option for 
my VO modifier.  Not sure if there’s any way to turn this off,  or if it’s a 
feature, rather than a bug.
Dan Eickmeier. Beamsville, Ontario Canada.  Amateur radio callsign: VA3ETS
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va3ets@mstdn.social


On Sep 27, 2023, at 9:35 PM, Kelly Ford 
mailto:kellford1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

For me this happens if I have caps lock down and move into an edit box. I 
reported it to Apple during the beta and find it vexing.

My current solution is to turn on arrow key quick nav more frequently and use 
that instead of caps+left or right.




On Sep 27, 2023, at 7:54 PM, 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

I do.
it only seems to do it, when I’m holding it down.


On Sep 27, 2023, at 6:16 PM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Do you have caps lock configured as a VoiceOver modifier? Mine is, and I can’t 
reproduce your issue (MacOS Sonoma).
I suppose you could try a double press of caps lock to turn it off, if it is on.

From: 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
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Date: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 15:31
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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Subject: Using the new macOS Sonoma
Hi folks. I”m really liking .
One weird thing, whenever I hold down the cap lock  key on my keyboard it keeps 
telling me to turn off the cap lock key. Does anybody have any idea how I can 
make it stop doing that?

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Re: Would I get Sonoma?

[John Panarese]

Yes, the cut off is something like Mac Book Pro 2018 or later. Maybe, 2019. 
I know my 2019 Mini is close to obsolescence.


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> On Sep 30, 2023, at 12:51 PM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
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> Not according to this Apple page:
> https://www.apple.com/macos/sonoma/
> You could have run a Web search and found this information in about 30 
> seconds, instead of asking others to do the work for you.
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> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of Mohammad Fazil
> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2023 12:14 PM
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> Subject: Would I get Sonoma?
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> Hi, Group.
> I have MacbookPro 2017, would I get Sonoma?
> Thanks!
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RE: Would I get Sonoma?

['Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries]

Not according to this Apple page:
https://www.apple.com/macos/sonoma/
You could have run a Web search and found this information in about 30 seconds, 
instead of asking others to do the work for you.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2023 12:14 PM
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Subject: Would I get Sonoma?

Hi, Group.
I have MacbookPro 2017, would I get Sonoma?
Thanks!
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Re: Would I get Sonoma?

[Dave Carlson]

Probably not. My wife has a 2016 model and it is stuck at Catalina.

Your 2017 is at Ventura, and if Sonoma is available, it will show up in system 
settings under software.

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On Sep 30, 2023, at 9:13 AM, Mohammad Fazil  wrote:

Hi, Group.
I have MacbookPro 2017, would I get Sonoma?
Thanks!

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Would I get Sonoma?

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Hi, Group.
I have MacbookPro 2017, would I get Sonoma?
Thanks!

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Annoying Verbosity in Mail App on Sonoma

[Dave Carlson]

I’ve noticed that the list level in the mailbox column is now announced when 
moving in/out of the column.

For example, VO+right arrow to the mailbox column will announce inbox  3 of 45. 
It’s the “3 of 45” that did not announce in Ventura.

I’ve gone through the Voiceover setting under verbosity and set several items 
to low verbosity but nothing has changed.

Any tips?


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Re: Using the new macOS Sonoma

['Dan Eickmeier' via MacVisionaries]

Agreed, this  is very annoying.  I've switched back to using control option for 
my VO modifier.  Not sure if there’s any way to turn this off,  or if it’s a 
feature, rather than a bug.  
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> On Sep 27, 2023, at 9:35 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
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> For me this happens if I have caps lock down and move into an edit box. I 
> reported it to Apple during the beta and find it vexing.
> 
> My current solution is to turn on arrow key quick nav more frequently and use 
> that instead of caps+left or right.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 27, 2023, at 7:54 PM, 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> I do.
>> it only seems to do it, when I’m holding it down.
>> 
>>> On Sep 27, 2023, at 6:16 PM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do you have caps lock configured as a VoiceOver modifier? Mine is, and I 
>>> can’t reproduce your issue (MacOS Sonoma).
>>> I suppose you could try a double press of caps lock to turn it off, if it 
>>> is on.
>>>  
>>> From: 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries >> >
>>> Date: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 15:31
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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>>> Subject: Using the new macOS Sonoma
>>> 
>>> Hi folks. I”m really liking .
>>> One weird thing, whenever I hold down the cap lock  key on my keyboard it 
>>> keeps telling me to turn off the cap lock key. Does anybody have any idea 
>>> how I can make it stop doing that?
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