Re: discovery plus

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I had it for a day, didn't have any problem with the app. Decided it wasn't 
worth the money.

Peggy & Dixie Marie

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> On Feb 21, 2021, at 12:55 AM, Shirley Healy  wrote:
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> is anyone subscribed to discovery plus?
> I've just subscribed on my Iphone but the app isnt very accessible.
> does anyone  know if there are workarounds to make it more accessible?
> shirley
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Re: What is TextEdit?

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It's a word processing app that comes with the computer.

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> On Jan 31, 2021, at 11:02 PM, Fazil  wrote:
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> Hi, Group.
> What is TextEdit? Is it a Mac app? If yes, how can I access this app, please?
> Thanks!
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Re: Off Topic Free Matter for the Blind Shipping

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The post office here tries to do the same thing to me. They said I needed to 
fill out an application for a permit. I have been using free matter ever since 
I was little. Show them the section of the postal code for free matter.

Peggy and Dixie Marie

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> On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Ibraheem Fakir  wrote:
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> Hey there,
> 
> Anyone use free matter for the blind shipping and have any guidelines on how 
> to use it? I tried using it the other day at the post office to send braille 
> books to a student, but the post office seemed like they had no idea what to 
> do and referred me to go to a library to ship my package. Realizing how 
> unaware they were, I decided not to push on and to cross check with others to 
> make sure I’m doing this right. Do I need any special card or something in 
> order to use the service? I simply wrote free matter for the blind on the box.
> 
> The post office seemed to have an issue with me being an individual sending 
> the package. They said that only libraries can use the service. ON the 
> contrary,   my research seems to show that anyone who is sending materials to 
> eligible patrons can use the service. They weren’t trying to hear that LOL. 
> Sometimes when advocating for your rights and the rights of others is 
> exhausting…
> 
> All best,
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Re: Accessibility issues inside the amazon application

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Purchased some items a couple of days ago, no captcha. Used both my Ipad and 
computer just to see what would happen. I know someone else who is having the 
same problem.

Peggy and Dixie Marie

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> On Aug 14, 2020, at 2:58 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
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> when  is the last time  you completed a buy at amazon?
> To be sure, for a while given nothing about my setup changed, i. e. same 
> cookies, but when they began to do different things with security, much 
> changed.
> Not that anyone's experience generalizes to another.  We are not using your 
> devices.
> karen
> 
> 
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>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> 
>> Have used amazon both with the app and on my computer and had no problem. 
>> The only time I had to type in a captcha was when I reset my password, but 
>> that was a while ago. Is your credit card and address stored in your 
>> account? If it isn't, maybe that's why the captcha is needed. No one else in 
>> my family has had a problem either.
>> 
>> Peggy and Dixie Marie
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:37 PM, Tim M  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That is why I use my phone ap to buy from them.
>>>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Not personally surprised  the so called captcha solutions have been 
>>>> nonfunctional for several months now at least.
>>>> My conversations with Amazon indicate their disability team exists to put 
>>>> items in carts, not to address correct or impact any aspect of inclusion 
>>>> at all.
>>>> Kare
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, 13 Aug 2020, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Recently, I had a bit of a go around with disability support on amazon. 
>>>>> Essentially, I was confronted with their captcha system when trying to 
>>>>> get the app to log in. After the password was accepted, the captcha came 
>>>>> up and I tapped the audio alternative, only to be confronted with a page 
>>>>> that stated “the page you requested does not exist”. After calling amazon 
>>>>> customer support, I was told there wasn’t anything they could do about 
>>>>> this currently.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, are there apps on the App Store that anyone knows of that can read a 
>>>>> captcha and solve it? I tried finding a few, only to end up with a lot of 
>>>>> search results for image rendering, editing and the like. Not one single 
>>>>> solver in the bunch.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Honestly, this is very frustrating and the fact that amazon is so big 
>>>>> that they feel they can flout the law makes it even more so. Any 
>>>>> suggestions or help would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Eric
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Re: Accessibility issues inside the amazon application

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Have used amazon both with the app and on my computer and had no problem. The 
only time I had to type in a captcha was when I reset my password, but that was 
a while ago. Is your credit card and address stored in your account? If it 
isn't, maybe that's why the captcha is needed. No one else in my family has had 
a problem either.

Peggy and Dixie Marie

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> On Aug 13, 2020, at 11:37 PM, Tim M  wrote:
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> That is why I use my phone ap to buy from them.
>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>> 
>> Not personally surprised  the so called captcha solutions have been 
>> nonfunctional for several months now at least.
>> My conversations with Amazon indicate their disability team exists to put 
>> items in carts, not to address correct or impact any aspect of inclusion at 
>> all.
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, 13 Aug 2020, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> Recently, I had a bit of a go around with disability support on amazon. 
>>> Essentially, I was confronted with their captcha system when trying to get 
>>> the app to log in. After the password was accepted, the captcha came up and 
>>> I tapped the audio alternative, only to be confronted with a page that 
>>> stated “the page you requested does not exist”. After calling amazon 
>>> customer support, I was told there wasn’t anything they could do about this 
>>> currently.
>>> 
>>> So, are there apps on the App Store that anyone knows of that can read a 
>>> captcha and solve it? I tried finding a few, only to end up with a lot of 
>>> search results for image rendering, editing and the like. Not one single 
>>> solver in the bunch.
>>> 
>>> Honestly, this is very frustrating and the fact that amazon is so big that 
>>> they feel they can flout the law makes it even more so. Any suggestions or 
>>> help would be greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Eric
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Re: Zoom Meetings

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I used my regular land line phone.

Peggy and Dixie Marie

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> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Julie Rattray  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There is 
> the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call and 
> they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce this is 
> to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute when you 
> want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in settings but 
> once you have done this it really is a good thing.
> 
> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
> 
>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
>> a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
>> that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
>> to leave your hands free.
>> Dave Carlson
>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
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Re: PDF reader for Mac?

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Someone mentioned DocuScan also. It was a while ago, not sure if it was on this 
list or another one.
Peggy and Dixie Marie 

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> On Jan 30, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Raoul,
> Docuscan Plus, Abbey Fine Reader, or Prizmo. I think that’s it, unless you 
> install VMWare Fusion and set up your Windows programs like Openbook in the 
> operating system.
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
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inaccessible web site

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Just wondering if anyone uses the caremark web site? When I want to enter 
credit card info, voiceover doesn't read the field where the name on the credit 
card needs to be entered. 
Peggy and Dixie Marie

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Re: Not All Apple Stores are Created Equally (Smile)

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We have a good one here on Long Island too.

Peggy and Dixie Marie

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> On Apr 19, 2019, at 7:36 AM, Marie Lyons  wrote:
> 
> We’ve got the Hawaii store here in Buffalo NY! Plus,  we’ve got an excellent 
> class on iPhone and iPad!
> 
> 
> Marie Lyons 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 17, 2019, at 8:43 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Charlie,
>> 
>> That's great.  
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Doremus
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 1:49 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Not All Apple Stores are Created Equally (Smile)
>> 
>> Mark,
>> I shared your impression of the Royal Hawaiian (Waikiki) Apple store with a 
>> friend who works there and he plans to share your thoughts with his bosses. 
>> 
>> Aloha,
>> 
>> Charlie 
>> 
>>> On Apr 15, 2019, at 6:20 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What, go to Hawaii
>>> Nice weather,
>>> Warm,
>>> Beachs,
>>> Volcanoes
>>> Hell why go there when I can get none of that here where I live, 
>>> Except the volcanoes that is.I'd say pretty girls in next to nothing 
>>> but hey I live in a university town, We have them everywhere even when it's 
>>> snowing.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 16 April 2019 2:19 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Not All Apple Stores are Created Equally (Smile)
>>> 
>>> Well, if this makes you want to go to Hawaii and you have a guide dog, you 
>>> won’t want to miss Vickie Kennedy’s talk tonight on what you need to know 
>>> before going to Hawaii. Reply to this thread if you are interested, and I 
>>> will forward details to you from the GDB-PAWS mailing list.
>>> Jonathan Cohn
 On Apr 15, 2019, at 12:23 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
 
 Hello Everyone,
 
 I just returned from a short vacation to Hawaii.  
 
 While there, I discovered that there is an Apple Store located in the 
 beautiful Royal Hawaiian Hotel and Resort down at Waikiki Beach.
 
 Wow!  To say that the customer service was world class would be the 
 understatement of the highest degree.
 
 Now I've never been to any of Apple's flagship stores, here on the 
 mainland, but I'll bet, beans to bacon, that the Royal Hawaiian 
 location mirrors them, precisely, in terms of enthusiasm, class, and 
 that ineffable quality that sets Apple apart from other tech companies.
 
 As for the Apple representatives?  Well, they were the most attentive 
 and gracious employees I've yet to encounter at any Apple Store.  In 
 fact, I was so impressed that I actually visited the store twice, 
 just to see if my initial impression was accurate; and yes, it was, indeed.
 
 Now when I travel, I like to purchase products from significant store 
 locations.  For example, I have purchased items from the first 
 Starbucks store, the first Nordstrom store, Amazon Go, etc.
 
 So of course I had to buy something from the Royal Hawaiian  Apple 
 Store because I may never get that way, again.  The problem is that I 
 couldn't think of anything I needed, (smile).
 
 In the end, I decided to buy a secondary iPad charger for my new iPad Pro.
 I am using it to more rapidly charge my beloved iPHone 8 Plus.
 
 While all of my local Apple stores are great places to explore the 
 world of Apple, I can definitely say that the Royal Hawaiian location 
 is a cut above and has forever changed my idea of what world class 
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 I loved Hawaii but, as the saying goes, there's no place like home.
 
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Re: I've decided what brailleDisplay to Choose.

['Peggy' via MacVisionaries]

I'm still waiting for the Blitab. I know it will probably never come out.

Peggy and Dixie Marie

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>   You have good reason to be afraid. $6,500.
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>> On 4/17/2019 7:25 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> I’m almost afraid to ask. How much does the active braille cost? Does it do 
>> Bluetooth? Seems kind of big for a mobile display though. I think 32 sells 
>> is really good. I just wish human where would update they’re out of date 
>> brilliant line.
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>>>   The Active Braille is on my wish list. I will not go less than 40 cells. 
>>> I had my hands on this display for a few minutes last year but was afraid 
>>> to get used to it because of price.
>>> 
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>>> does not come close.
>>> 
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 On 4/17/2019 5:44 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 It looks so cool! But I wish they made a 40 cell version of the same 
 display. I get that it autoscrolls, but I know I will not be happy with 16 
 cells.
 Cheers,
 Donna
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> it’s worth it. it’s amazing.
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> The Actilino? $2700, with 16 cells.
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voiceover menu key not working

['Peggy' via MacVisionaries]

I thought that The Great Toy Robbery game had screwed up my computer. Wasn't 
just the m key that wasn't working, but 7, 8, 9, u, i, o, j,k, and l. My sister 
did a search and found that mouse keys had been enabled. That allows a sighted 
person to move the pointer and click the mouse using those keys.   All we had 
to do to fix it is hit the "option" key five times, problem solved.
Peggy and Dixie Marie

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Re: Voiceover menu key not working

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I e-mailed the makers of the game. Don't think Apple can help since it's not a 
Voiceover problem.
Peggy and Dixie Marie


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> On Apr 6, 2019, at 12:52 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   As E.T. indicated, make sure you hold down the key combination for 
> resetting the PRAM for at least fifteen or twenty seconds. You should hear 
> two chimes if your Mac is older to indicate the reset was successful.
> 
>   If resetting your VO preferences to factory defaults is not working and the 
> PRAM reset doesn't help, you will have to call Apple accessibility and speak 
> to someone there.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2019, at 9:20 PM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Control f2 doesn't work, also reset voiceover. Really liked that game until 
>> today.
>> 
>> Peggy and Dixie Marie
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2019, at 8:28 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does control-F2 work to take you to the menu bar? Also, have you tried 
>>> resetting your VO preferences to factory defaults?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 5, 2019, at 8:07 PM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Did zap the pram, didn't help.
>>>> 
>>>> Peggy and Dixie Marie
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 5, 2019, at 6:40 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> You are missing the shift key with that combination.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 5, 2019, at 1:01 PM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tried restarting and zapping pram, can't get that to work either.
>>>>>> When I hold down command, option,  p and r keys after restart, my mac 
>>>>>> just comes on as it normally would.
>>>>>> Peggy and Dixie Marie
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 5, 2019, at 12:52 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Have you rebooted the system?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Apr 5, 2019, at 11:36 AM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> After playing The Great Toy Robery on my mac, I am unable to get to 
>>>>>>>> the Apple menu with Voiceover. Help!
>>>>>>>> Peggy and Dixie Marie
>>>>>>>> 
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Re: Voiceover menu key not working

['Peggy' via MacVisionaries]

Control f2 doesn't work, also reset voiceover. Really liked that game until 
today.

Peggy and Dixie Marie

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> On Apr 5, 2019, at 8:28 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
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>   Does control-F2 work to take you to the menu bar? Also, have you tried 
> resetting your VO preferences to factory defaults?
> 
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2019, at 8:07 PM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Did zap the pram, didn't help.
>> 
>> Peggy and Dixie Marie
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Apr 5, 2019, at 6:40 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
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>>> You are missing the shift key with that combination.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 5, 2019, at 1:01 PM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Tried restarting and zapping pram, can't get that to work either.
>>>> When I hold down command, option,  p and r keys after restart, my mac just 
>>>> comes on as it normally would.
>>>> Peggy and Dixie Marie
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 5, 2019, at 12:52 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
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>>>>> Have you rebooted the system?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 5, 2019, at 11:36 AM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
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>>>>>> After playing The Great Toy Robery on my mac, I am unable to get to the 
>>>>>> Apple menu with Voiceover. Help!
>>>>>> Peggy and Dixie Marie
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Voiceover menu key not working

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Did zap the pram, didn't help.

Peggy and Dixie Marie

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> On Apr 5, 2019, at 6:40 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
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>   You are missing the shift key with that combination.
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>> On Apr 5, 2019, at 1:01 PM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Tried restarting and zapping pram, can't get that to work either.
>> When I hold down command, option,  p and r keys after restart, my mac just 
>> comes on as it normally would.
>> Peggy and Dixie Marie
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Apr 5, 2019, at 12:52 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
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>>> Have you rebooted the system?
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>>> 
>>>> On Apr 5, 2019, at 11:36 AM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
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>>>> After playing The Great Toy Robery on my mac, I am unable to get to the 
>>>> Apple menu with Voiceover. Help!
>>>> Peggy and Dixie Marie
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>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Voiceover menu key not working

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Tried restarting and zapping pram, can't get that to work either.
 When I hold down command, option,  p and r keys after restart, my mac just 
comes on as it normally would.
Peggy and Dixie Marie

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 5, 2019, at 12:52 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
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>   Have you rebooted the system?
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>> On Apr 5, 2019, at 11:36 AM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
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>> After playing The Great Toy Robery on my mac, I am unable to get to the 
>> Apple menu with Voiceover. Help!
>> Peggy and Dixie Marie
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Voiceover menu key not working

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After playing The Great Toy Robery on my mac, I am unable to get to the Apple 
menu with Voiceover. Help!
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Re: Grade 2 Braille Translation software for the Mac?

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There is also a free demo version of Duxbury.

Peggy and Dixie Marie

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On Nov 14, 2018, at 10:33 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

That's probably because it costs $700.  I've used it in Windows for years, and 
was very interested until I heard the price.
Donna


> On Nov 14, 2018, at 9:29 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
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> Duxbury is also available on Mac, but i have not heard of anybody using it.
> 
> Best wishes,
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>> On Nov 14, 2018, at 2:01 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Braille Blaster is open source so is easy on the budget. I have not yet used 
>> it because I have DBT for Win.
>> 
>> 
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>>> On 11/14/2018 10:52 AM, Michael Busboom wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> I have a close friend who owns a MacBook Pro, and he would like to start 
>>> embossing Braille for personal use.  He would like to purchase a used Romeo 
>>> Braille printer.
>>> Is there software in the Mac world that converts text into grade 2 Braille 
>>> and will then allow him to format it and ultimately output it to a Romeo 
>>> printer or any other type of Braille printer, for that matter?
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Mike
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Re: OT:Fwd: Braille for a New Digital Age - The New York Times

['Peggy' via MacVisionaries]

It was just a form to fill out with my contact info, nothing else. You can also 
write something in the message field if you want. All of there forms are the 
same no matter what you want to do.

Peggy and Dixie Marie

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On Sep 11, 2018, at 11:40 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

It was just a guess, sense you told us you “preordered it."
> On Sep 11, 2018, at 10:48 AM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Don't know where that came from, didn't see anything that said you had to buy 
> the product to be a tester.
> 
> Peggy and Dixie Marie
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> On Sep 11, 2018, at 10:32 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> Ok, unless I’m misunderstanding something here, you have to pay for this 
> device just to beta test it?  I’m confused on that one.
>   I’m considering that as well, sense I currently work 2 jobs testing web 
> sites for 508 compliance, and one of them I test the mobile version of the 
> sites as well as the full version, and this would be a great thing to try 
> this with, sense I’ve always found trying to type on my phone really slow for 
> one thing, and I’ve never done this with a braille display and would love to 
> see how how it reacts to things like buttons and menus, something I really 
> struggle with on a lot of these sites sense there are some that are 
> completely accessible and some that don’t budge.
>> On Sep 11, 2018, at 9:44 AM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Here is an article with the latest news about Blitab. I also applied to be a 
>> tester and wanted to pre order, but never heard from them. It was supposed 
>> to come out at the end of last year. Hope it really does come out this time.
>> Peggy and Dixie Marie
>> Sent from my iPhone 
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>> 
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/03/arts/tablet-devices-blind-braille.html
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Re: OT:Fwd: Braille for a New Digital Age - The New York Times

['Peggy' via MacVisionaries]

Don't know where that came from, didn't see anything that said you had to buy 
the product to be a tester.

Peggy and Dixie Marie

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On Sep 11, 2018, at 10:32 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

Ok, unless I’m misunderstanding something here, you have to pay for this device 
just to beta test it?  I’m confused on that one.
  I’m considering that as well, sense I currently work 2 jobs testing web sites 
for 508 compliance, and one of them I test the mobile version of the sites as 
well as the full version, and this would be a great thing to try this with, 
sense I’ve always found trying to type on my phone really slow for one thing, 
and I’ve never done this with a braille display and would love to see how how 
it reacts to things like buttons and menus, something I really struggle with on 
a lot of these sites sense there are some that are completely accessible and 
some that don’t budge.
> On Sep 11, 2018, at 9:44 AM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Here is an article with the latest news about Blitab. I also applied to be a 
> tester and wanted to pre order, but never heard from them. It was supposed to 
> come out at the end of last year. Hope it really does come out this time.
> Peggy and Dixie Marie
> Sent from my iPhone 
>  
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> 
> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/03/arts/tablet-devices-blind-braille.html
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Fwd: OT:Fwd: Braille for a New Digital Age - The New York Times

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Here is an article with the latest news about Blitab. I also applied to be a 
tester and wanted to pre order, but never heard from them. It was supposed to 
come out at the end of last year. Hope it really does come out this time.
Peggy and Dixie Marie
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Re: Where to Buy MS-Office for Mac

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Amazon has it too.

Peggy and Dixie Marie

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On Jul 28, 2018, at 12:01 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Office365.com


-Original Message-
From: 'Bill Gallik' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Friday, 27 July 2018 2:28 PM
To: MacVisionaries E-Mail List 
Subject: Where to Buy MS-Office for Mac

Pardon me for asking  question that has been, i am sure, answered numerous 
times on this list; but where can I buy a copy of the MS-Office suite for Mac?

Many Thanks, for your patience as well as answering my question!


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Re: An alternative To Looktil Recognizer?

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TapTapSee works great for me.

Peggy and Dixie Marie

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On Jun 9, 2018, at 6:58 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hi all:

I spent about 10 month of sadness after losing the Loktil recognizer,
1st of all i put all the Egyptian Currency on it, and it could see them better 
than any other app i have tried so far.
also, i was using it in my Master cards etc.
so, am asking, are there any news if we will be able to use the app again?
or is there an alternative?

Concerning A good Money reader app, even if it does not contain the egyptian 
pounds but it’s accuracy is ok, can anyone recommend something?
I tried a free app called money reader, it’s not the best but it was working 
with the American Dolers, but i tried many times to send them emails to include 
the egyptian pound but with no luck.

Any help will be highly Appreciated.

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Re: Braille Displays

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I'm waiting for the Blitab if it ever comes out, or maybe the Canute. Would 
love a multi line display.
Peggy and Dixie Marie

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On Apr 29, 2018, at 1:55 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

They're actually big enough to do what they say, that is true.  But can and 
will aren't the same thing.  For your sake, though, I hope that they do.

You know, when I was using HIMS products, I always had very good customer 
service from them.  But that's been a few years now.  I haven't really followed 
what's going on, but I've heard that things have changed there.

Cheers,
Donna
> On Apr 29, 2018, at 12:48 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Well, one of the advantages of a company like vfo is you figure they’re 
> actually going to do what they say. Smaller companies have problems. Look at 
> what happened to Baum. I am sure they’re going to come out with that 
> functionality with the braille note taking. The fact that you can’t do 
> wireless transfers is a drag. And I have not heard them say that this is in 
> the plan. On the other hand the handitechdistribution in the United States is 
> now handled through hims. So you got the braille edge and now these high 
> priced handitechdisplays. And you sort of wonder how long that is going to 
> hold up. Hims is a big company, but I’ve heard enough stuff about Customer 
> Service in the US that would make me think twice or three times before I went 
> that way.
> 
> 
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>> 
>> this is just my opinion, of course, but I would never by anything as 
>> expensive as a braille display on the promise that a feature will be 
>> implemented in the future.  Many of us--or at least I--have gotten burned 
>> that way. 😊
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> As of now, the focus only has a Calendar and o’clock, but note taking 
>>> ability is coming they say, currently under testing and do for release this 
>>> year.  Unfortunately, at least as I understand it, the way to get notes you 
>>> take off of the display and onto your other devices is via an SD card. In 
>>> other words, no direct connectivity for transferring things.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 29, 2018, at 10:34 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 The focus used to be dumb.  So far as I know, it still is, but I haven't 
 paid much attention  to it so I could be wrong.
 Donna
> On Apr 29, 2018, at 12:32 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> I am absorbing way too much on a Sunday. (smiles)
> 
> Oh I agree about having to use the SD card for the Edge.
> 
> This brings up a question. Is there such a thing as a dumb braille 
> display these days? One that is strictly a display? That I want to stay 
> away from.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>> On 4/29/2018 10:21 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> Hi ET,
>> Well, others have answered your first question. 😊
>> Like I said, the two things I most care about are word processor and 
>> file manager.  All the social media stuff and all that that the Braille 
>> Sense devices have has little appeal, as I do that from my phone or Mac. 
>>  I guess the three things that bug me most about the Edge are: the gross 
>> under utilization of the function  keys, the bulky size--admittedly I am 
>> probably spoiled by the VU--and the fact that you have to use an SD card 
>> to transfer files.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 11:53 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> Who actually develops the Focus line of products? Can you tell what 
>>> little I know? (smiles)
>>> 
>>> What I do like about the Edge is its not loaded down. I have a 
>>> Brailesense Plus (dead now) and I barely used its features. Having a 
>>> Mac, I can do heavy work there, and an iPhone, for quick access to 
>>> basic things. I read a lot of braille books on the Edge, and want to 
>>> use the display for backup if something happens to my hearing. That is 
>>> why the concept of access to multiple Bluetooth devices is so 
>>> attractive now.
>>> 
>>> While I am focused on the Focus 5th (smiles at self here), I will take 
>>> a closer look at the other brands. If I had understood that new VUs is 
>>> not happening, I wold have spent more time with the other displays but 
>>> will have another opportunity.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
 On 4/29/2018 9:33 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 Yep.  Their last truly innovative product was the PacMate.  That's 
 been a brick for a long time now, and they haven't done anything since 
>>>

Re: Trying out word and outlook on the Mac

['Peggy' via MacVisionaries]

Amazon has it too.

Peggy and Dixie Marie

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On Apr 4, 2018, at 11:29 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Daniel McGee  wrote:
> Hi all, any way of trying out microsoft's products on the Mac? 

Yes - buy an Office 365 subscription that includes the desktop applications.
> 
> In particular, I would be interested in word and outlook. I won't need excel 
> or power point. 

I have these installed on my Mac via Office 365. They're reasonably accessible
with VoiceOver, but I ahven't used them sufficiently to comment on any
specific issues. Interaction can be slow, however, since they don't provide
equivalent keyboard functionality to the corresponding Windows versions.
Nevertheless, navigating with VoiceOver and operating the controls generally
works.

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Re: Amazon Web Dialog Interference

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I have the same problem. Hitting the close button doesn't help.
Peggy and Dixie Marie

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On Nov 26, 2017, at 9:24 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello Christine,

I just performed a couple of searches on Amazon.com, after reading your post.

I receive no such web dialog box, as described in your post.  

I am using Safari on Mac OS High Sierra.

Perhaps it might be useful to clear your website cookies and temp files.

Mark

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Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 5:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Amazon Web Dialog Interference

I apologize if someone has brought this up already, but every single time I try 
shopping on Amazon lately, a web dialog keeps coming up; there’s a close 
button, but it doesn’t help. It is a nonstop occurrence, preventing me from 
going through search results or from navigating the screen. Is anyone else 
experiencing this, and does anyone know if there is a way to stop this idiocy? 
Thanks much.
Christine

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Re: Refreshable Braille devices?

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The Blitab has won lots of awards, I contacted them about being a tester and to 
pre-order back in February. I have sent several e-mails since, but have heard 
nothing.
Peggy and Dixie Marie

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On Jul 28, 2017, at 7:01 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

The BliTab is the most exciting technology in my book. Unlike the Kanute, it’s 
full page can refresh instantly, and it’s very small. Unlike the similarly 
priced Orbit, it shows a lot of cells, not just 20. Unfortunately, it’s been in 
the works for a long time, but the company seems mum on details when asked, and 
their website isn’t very nice to use with screen readers. I have to wonder if 
this one will ever see the light of day. I sincerely hope it will, but who 
knows?

As to the Orbit, people were buying them at the summer conventions. APH reports 
that they can’t keep them in stock, due to the limited supply made specifically 
for conventions. They’re working on it, though, and hope to have more soon. To 
my knowledge, no dates or date ranges were given for when this might be.

> On Jul 27, 2017, at 5:51 PM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am waiting for the Blitab to come out. It is supposed to display a full 
> page of Braille and will also do graphics. The cost for the tablet is $500.00.
> Peggy and Dixie Marie
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 26, 2017, at 5:29 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> The orbit reader is coming out as I have been told that a new version has 
> been finalised and the instructions for the reader have been put in to 
> braille as my department did these instructions a couple of weeks ago.  I 
> work in the Transcription department at RNIB, (Royal National Institute of 
> Blind people) in the UK and we do most of the commercial stuff that RNIB 
> produce.
> 
> The Chairman at RNIB started this project as he told me that it was his idea. 
>  So it will come out in due course as the factory are at this moment 
> assembling the new version.
> 
> It's just a question as to when it will come out and not if.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 26 Jul 2017, at 17:55, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I know somebody in the US who has one. She got it at one of the 
>> blindness summer conventions. They didn't have very many of them. But she 
>> definitely has one. I have not seen it yet. Not in person anyway.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 26, 2017, at 9:51 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> There has been so much talk on other lists about the Orbit reader that it 
>>> will come this or that month and it hasn’t come out yet.
>>> I really doubt its ever going to be released. But we’ll see.
>>> /A
>>> 
>>>> 25 juli 2017 kl. 23:05 skrev Kliphton Miller :
>>>> 
>>>> I doubt that the expensive ones will go away.  Yes the orbit gives a 
>>>> cheaper option, but it has been rumored to have a lot of bugs, it only 
>>>> connects to 1 device at a time, and as long as state agencies are paying 
>>>> for there clients to have them, they will continue to be around.  JMO
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The orbit reader is coming and it's going to cost £500 (nort sure what 
>>>>> that is in dollars) but it's a whole lot cheaper.  When that comes out on 
>>>>> the market, braille displays, the expensive ones may be finished!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kawal.
>>>>>> On 24 Jul 2017, at 17:02, E.T.  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Did not understand that but well, if a user is dependent on braille, 
>>>>>> that user will not feel a solidly-made braille display to be overpriced. 
>>>>>> Understand that concept? But here is the thing. How large a market do 
>>>>>> braille displays have? I dare say if if you can produce fantastic 
>>>>>> displays and sell a thousand a year, think you could sell them cheap and 
>>>>>> make a profit? Or would a million a year be more in line?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've never studied marketing and all that but can say that if a company 
>>>>>> does not make a profit, it cannot stay in business.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>&g

Re: Refreshable Braille devices?

['Peggy' via MacVisionaries]

I am waiting for the Blitab to come out. It is supposed to display a full page 
of Braille and will also do graphics. The cost for the tablet is $500.00.
Peggy and Dixie Marie

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On Jul 26, 2017, at 5:29 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

The orbit reader is coming out as I have been told that a new version has been 
finalised and the instructions for the reader have been put in to braille as my 
department did these instructions a couple of weeks ago.  I work in the 
Transcription department at RNIB, (Royal National Institute of Blind people) in 
the UK and we do most of the commercial stuff that RNIB produce.

The Chairman at RNIB started this project as he told me that it was his idea.  
So it will come out in due course as the factory are at this moment assembling 
the new version.

It's just a question as to when it will come out and not if.

Kawal.
> On 26 Jul 2017, at 17:55, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Well, I know somebody in the US who has one. She got it at one of the 
> blindness summer conventions. They didn't have very many of them. But she 
> definitely has one. I have not seen it yet. Not in person anyway.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2017, at 9:51 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> There has been so much talk on other lists about the Orbit reader that it 
>> will come this or that month and it hasn’t come out yet.
>> I really doubt its ever going to be released. But we’ll see.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 25 juli 2017 kl. 23:05 skrev Kliphton Miller :
>>> 
>>> I doubt that the expensive ones will go away.  Yes the orbit gives a 
>>> cheaper option, but it has been rumored to have a lot of bugs, it only 
>>> connects to 1 device at a time, and as long as state agencies are paying 
>>> for there clients to have them, they will continue to be around.  JMO
 On Jul 25, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 The orbit reader is coming and it's going to cost £500 (nort sure what 
 that is in dollars) but it's a whole lot cheaper.  When that comes out on 
 the market, braille displays, the expensive ones may be finished!
 
 Kawal.
> On 24 Jul 2017, at 17:02, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Did not understand that but well, if a user is dependent on braille, that 
> user will not feel a solidly-made braille display to be overpriced. 
> Understand that concept? But here is the thing. How large a market do 
> braille displays have? I dare say if if you can produce fantastic 
> displays and sell a thousand a year, think you could sell them cheap and 
> make a profit? Or would a million a year be more in line?
> 
> I've never studied marketing and all that but can say that if a company 
> does not make a profit, it cannot stay in business.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 7/24/2017 8:50 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>> And iPhone with the braille display would be much less expensive than 
>> the blandest waited well no takers. However, I understand people like 
>> them, I just think they are way too costly. Just one person's opinion.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 24, 2017, at 11:43 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Les,
>>> Overpriced compared to? Is there a mainstream solution especially for 
>>> the deafblind?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 7/24/2017 8:39 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
 Hi Mary,
 
 In my opinion, all the no takers including the ultra or overpriced. The
 ultra the last time I checked for the 40 so my will cost her about
 $4000. Not worth it in my opinion for what you get. Anybody who buys a
 blind is no taking device is really paying premium for it.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 24, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Mary Otten >>> > wrote:
 
> If you don't want the full blown capability of a very expensive
> blindness note taker, such as the new Polaris, you might consider the
> varrio ultra. That has the ability to transfer files with a USB stick.
> And it also has note taking capability. It has an excellent warranty.
> Some people also find it more complicated than the traditional regular
> braille displays such as the edge. They do have excellent US customer
> support, as well as an online manual, and an active helpful email
> list. This display comes in 20 or 40 s

Re: Sirius xm app

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Just looked at the XM site, you do not need a radio to subscribe.
Peggy and Dixie Marie

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On Apr 20, 2017, at 10:05 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:

You can just use the app.  The app has the access to the same content as they 
beam over the air.

> On Apr 20, 2017, at 9:24 AM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Thanks.
> Do you have to have a radio or can you just use the app?
> I have a free trial now.
> Peace,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
> 
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 8:21 AM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> You can also do a 3 year subscription which makes it a little cheaper. The 
>> cheapest plan is mostly music, you can look at the web site or call them at 
>> 866-6352343
>> Peggy and Dixie Marie
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Packages are paid on a yearly basis I believe.  I know I get charged about 
>> $330 yearly which includes all the channels, all the special channels like 
>> Howard and such, and the traffic and electronic data services for the car.  
>> You would need a subset of this.  All the package information is on the 
>> company web site.
>> 
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>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ben,
>>> You may wish to write off list about this.
>>> How do I find out about getting a free trial and how much are the different 
>>> packages?
>>> 
>>> Peace,
>>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>> 
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Re: Sirius xm app

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You can also do a 3 year subscription which makes it a little cheaper. The 
cheapest plan is mostly music, you can look at the web site or call them at 
866-6352343
Peggy and Dixie Marie

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On Apr 19, 2017, at 11:45 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:

Packages are paid on a yearly basis I believe.  I know I get charged about $330 
yearly which includes all the channels, all the special channels like Howard 
and such, and the traffic and electronic data services for the car.  You would 
need a subset of this.  All the package information is on the company web site.

> On Apr 19, 2017, at 5:32 PM, Stacey Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Ben,
> You may wish to write off list about this.
> How do I find out about getting a free trial and how much are the different 
> packages?
> 
> Peace,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
> 
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
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Accessible games for Mac

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Subject says it all, have tons of games on my phone. Are there any for the Mac?
Peggy and Dixie Marie

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Re: reading battery level in sierra, and a few other things

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I have a Macbook Air. I didn't have a problem checking battery status until I 
updated my mac a couple of weeks ago. I use siri to check the battery, very 
easy to do.
Peggy and Dixie Marie

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On Dec 30, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

Hey everyone, going to cover a few different things in one message. First, as 
the subject says, has anyone else had issues reading the time remaining or 
percentage of a macbook battery in sierra? This happens on my 2010 macbook, and 
my girl friend's 2015 macbook pro. While in the status menus, moving left and 
right with the voiceover cursor allows you to get to the battery item, but it 
just says battery or something similar, no time remaining or percentage, this 
happens whether the option to show the percentage is checked or not in the 
menu. The only way I know of to get around this is to check it in the energy 
saver settings in system preferences. Interestingly, you can no longer use the 
regular arrow keys to navigate the status menus, you must use VO navigation. I 
don't mind this, actually it's more consistent this way since before, the arrow 
keys only navigated built in items like wifi or the battery, third party items 
such as dropbox always have required VO navigation to access them.
I can confirm that on the 2010 macbook, the same issue I had with my 2010 mac 
mini does happen, when using Alex, speech disappears, sometimes for a few 
seconds, sometimes completely, again, switching to a Nuance voice resolved it.
I actually got a Christmas present for myself, a new mac mini, the issue does 
not happen on the newer hardware. I am using a fit headless adapter connected 
to the HDMI port, out of curiosity, I decided to disconnect it and see if 
voiceover was as sluggish as it used to be, surprisingly, I didn't notice much 
difference. I didn't run it this way for a long time, but I wonder if Apple has 
finally fixed this issue for voiceover users. If not, the fit headless adapter 
is definitely a good solution.

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Re: braille translation for the mac

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Hi Becky, there is a free program called louis that should work with El 
Capitan. Braille Blaster is also free, but when I went to the site to try to 
download it a couple of weeks ago, the only way I could do it was if I was 
willing to be a beta tester. Duxbury Systems also has software for the Mac. 
They have a beta version, but it costs about $600.00. However, you can download 
a demo version for free. Hope this helps.
Peggy & Dixie Marie


Peggy
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From: Becky 
To: macvisionaries 
Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2016 10:09 pm
Subject: Braille translation App for Mac

Hi all,

I will be starting an online class that requires that I do braille translation 
in both Nimbus code and you EB math on my Mac. Does anyone know of a braille 
translation software that is VoiceOver compatible and works well on the Mac? As 
of right now until I know Sierra is completely stable I'm still running El 
Capitan. Thank you for your help.

Becky & Hazel
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Re: Ios10 and accessibility

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I just tried using a brailliant display on mail with ios10 update and it worked 
fine.
Peggy and Dixie Marie

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On Sep 11, 2016, at 3:37 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:

Hi, I don’t make that claim I have no idea whether braille will work well but I 
will try it now that you mention it.  I am not normally a braille user but I do 
have a display to test.

Maybe someone has a more informed opinion.  My complaints are generally about 
the mail app and voice over. Not that it’s unusable but I just feel the 
interface now is more clumsy.  I’ve spoken to a few who dislike the new mail 
setup from a voice over perspective.

> On Sep 11, 2016, at 12:15 AM, Helga Schreiber  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott.  How are you? I read braille, but I don't use it so much with my 
> Iphone, only sometimes! However, my boyfriend is a braille user to his iPhone 
> since he is deafblind. I really want him to get IOS 10. Why do you say it wil 
> not work with the mail app? H euse that a lot with his focus 14 display. I 
> know you are nto allow to mention it before he release, but do you have any 
> ideas why it may not work yet. I look forward in hearing from you soon. 
> Thanks and God bless!
> 
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> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.5   
> 
>> On Sep 9, 2016, at 4:01 PM, Scott Davert  wrote:
>> 
>> If you're a braille display user and use the Mail app heavily, I'd
>> hold off on updating. More details to follow on release day.
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>>> On 9/9/16, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>> Not for my Bose AE 2 wireless.
>>> But i think this is more a Bose problem than an Apple one.
>>> I am not sure how to update the firmware on my Bose headphones.
>>> /A
 On 9 Sep 2016, at 00:44, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 Update with out hesitation, it’s a great release.  It fixes a lot of the
 audio routing problems as well at least the ones I was having so well
 worth it in my case and I feel it will be for others as well.
 
 The mac OSX release is also very very good.  Update em if you got em.
 
 For what it’s worth, this is the best software release Apple has done post
 Jobs in my opinion.  Not necessarily for features but more for stability
 and just a good all around solid release with fewer bugs than previous
 whole number updates.
 
 
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> Can You AsA Developer-BetaTester Give YourRecommendation as WhetherOrNot
> to Update Your Apple iDevice-iOSDevice TO iOS10 when its Launched ON
> Tuesday,September13th? Is iOS10 Ready4PrimeTime MoreSpecifically
> ForTotallyBlind&ForLowVision users?
> JustWonderin'
> At 10:26 AM 9/8/2016, you wrote:
>> With me also being a dev, I along with Alex can concur with Shawn.
>> Being the official release date isn't until next week, we devs as well
>> as public testers are still on NDA for just a little while longer.  Hang
>> in there though guys, it won't be much longer.
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>> - Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk"
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: Ios10 and accessibility
>> 
>> 
>>> Yes, but they wait until the official release date to tell you the
>>> accessibility features because they're still under NDA like everyone
>>> else. Alex Hall can confirm this.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
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 On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Stacey Robinson 
 wrote:
 
 Can someone tell me where I can go to read about the accessibility
 features in IOS10?
 
 Peace,
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Re: Duxbury for Mac and Embossers

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The EmBraille model that I want does either single sheet or tractor-fed paper.
Peggy and Dixie Marie

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On Sep 9, 2016, at 3:06 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Send a message to supp...@indexbraille.com and ask them.
I hope this was the right mailadress, if not i have to come bac lately.
/A
> On 8 Sep 2016, at 21:57, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Have been told this. So does this mean one cannot send documents created 
> with Duxbury?
> 
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>> On 9/8/2016 11:47 AM, gkearney wrote:
>> Danger Will Robertson! Doing Braille translation inside the embosser
>> does not permit you to correct any translation errors the internal
>> software might make, and every translation software make errors even
>> DBT. You also can not modify the layout of the Braille pages. What is
>> happening is the text is sent to the embosser which has a copy of
>> liblouis translation software in it. That software make a translation
>> which is then sent to the embossing mechanism there is no method of
>> making any kind of changes or corrections.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, 6 September 2016 17:30:34 UTC-5, anders wrote:
>> 
>>Hi!
>>I guess its doable but unnessesarry as it translates braille on its
>>own.
>>I don’t know any other embossers that works on the mac other than
>>the Index.
>>/A
>>> On 6 Sep 2016, at 22:25, E.T.  wrote:
>>>
>>>   If anyone is running the beta software, what embossers are
>>working well on the Mac? My old Juliet has broken down which is not
>>directly working under OS X anyway.
>>>
>>>   So am exploring my options. I think it was said that the Index
>>does its own translation. Does that mean using DBT with an Index is
>>not doable? If so, what embossers will work? Thanks.
>>>
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Re: Duxbury for Mac and Embossers

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I want an EmBraille.
Peggy and Dixie Marie

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On Sep 7, 2016, at 6:09 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Yes you are absolutly right.
Mine is sheet fed and the basic is tractor fed.
THe basic is smaller in size though.
I had one long ago.
The downside is the box with paper on the flor.
/A
> 7 sep. 2016 kl. 21:22 skrev E.T. :
> 
>  The only difference betweem the Everest and Basic is the Everest is sheet 
> fed, not tractor fed? That might be more convenient since one would not have 
> to have a box of paper on the floor in just the right position.
> 
>  Well one day I hope to get my hands on one and see for myself. Appreciate 
> your feedback.
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>> On 9/7/2016 12:01 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>> Hi!
>> I have the Index everest 4 and its really great.
>> I have been printing from text edit and that worked well.
>> You have to do some settings on the embosser ofcourse but i guess thats not 
>> a problem for you.
>> /A
>>> On 7 Sep 2016, at 00:33, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anders,
>>> Just curious. Is the translation error free? What format of document files 
>>> work well? My needs are pretty simple so if the Index does a good job of 
>>> translating, it will be worth a good look.
>>> 
>>> I do not recall what model you have. The Index Basic D v5 interests me 
>>> though it does not support wide paper.
>>> 
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>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 9/6/2016 3:30 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
 Hi!
 I guess its doable but unnessesarry as it translates braille on its own.
 I don’t know any other embossers that works on the mac other than the 
 Index.
 /A
> On 6 Sep 2016, at 22:25, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> If anyone is running the beta software, what embossers are working well 
> on the Mac? My old Juliet has broken down which is not directly working 
> under OS X anyway.
> 
> So am exploring my options. I think it was said that the Index does its 
> own translation. Does that mean using DBT with an Index is not doable? If 
> so, what embossers will work? Thanks.
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

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I never knew my Air had an SD card slot. I feel really stupid.
Peggy and Dixie Marie

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On Jul 9, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

There's also the updates to consider, Rumors have it that Apple will announce a 
new Pro, and maybe a new 12-inch retina MacBook, sometime this fall. At that 
time, you can get the new one, or take advantage of deals on the older ones 
(what is now the current model). In other words, the iPads likely won't be 
updated for a while, but the MacBooks could be updated soon. If you're thinking 
of a Mac, I'd wait until the end of the year to see what changes.

I, too, don't really see the advantage of the Pro over the Air2 for a blind 
user. The Pro has a more powerful CPU and better graphics performance, 
certainly, but other than that it has little the Air2 doesn't. It comes in the 
larger screen size, which I suppose could work out for those needing a good 
deal of screen enlargement. As to Macs, people have already described the 
differences. For a more thorough and (maybe overly) detailed breakdown, see my 
guide to all of Apple's Mac computers:
http://www.applevis.com/guides/miscellaneous/explaining-myriad-models-macs
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 05:55, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Max,
>  
> The air is either 11 or 13 inch screan size,
> With a less powerfull I5 or I7 processor range,
> Starting at 128 gb hard drive up to 512 gb drive space, both use PCE flash 
> storage
>   And up to 8gb ram.
>  
> Note the up to is considered a custom build and has to be ordered as they 
> only have sertain machines as general builds.
>  
> The 11 inch has 2 usb 3 ports and 1 thunderbolt where as the 13 inch has the 
> same plus an sd card slot on the right edge.
>  
> They are thiner around 1.1 KG approx. 2 pounds,
> And a great battery life
>  
> The pros are more powerfull processors, coming in 13, 15 & 17 inch screan 
> sizes,
>  And the other specs like ram and harddrive space go up in stages also.
>  
> As do the prices.
>  
> I have a 11inch air which has full specs of I7 processor, 8gb ram and 512gb 
> hard drive space and it’s great I get approx. 7 hours of life out of it when 
> using windows and more than that if using the mac osx  unless I’m watching tv 
> or movies in which case things drop by about 25%
>  
> The air is really an entry level product but has guts to work hard.
>  
> The pro is for the power user and slightly heavier at around 2Kg in weight.
>  
> Depending on what your doing most people can get away with the air but as I 
> said it depends on your kind of usage.
>  
>  
> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
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> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:43 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>  
> i think a mac book is still right for me. next question is what are the 
> differences between the pro and air. thanks, max 
> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
> 
> The iPad Pro is 12.9 inches. It comes with a maximum of 256gb, I believe, 
> which is a lot, but far less than you can get for MacBooks. Plus, it lacks 
> the expansion ports of a Mac.
>  
> As to which is better, that depends on your use case. iOS still lacks many 
> keyboard shortcuts found in macOS, and honestly, an Air or a 12-inch MacBook 
> isn't much larger or heavier than the Pro. Plus, if you need Windows, you 
> can't run that on iOS like you can on macOS. I haven't used an iPad Pro, but 
> I do have an iPhone 6s Plus, and the OS will be the same on both. Personally, 
> I'd rather save up a little more money and get a good MacBook. The iPad Pro 
> is a fine device, but I've never understood having an iPad if I already have 
> an iPhone. Aside from the braille screen input and battery, what can an iPad 
> do for me, as a blind person, that my (much more portable) iPhone can't? JMO, 
> obviously. :)
> On Jul 8, 2016, at 22:15, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
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>  
> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max 
> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of stuff 
> on their cloud drive? thanks, max 
> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> 
> 
> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 inch 
> IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing!
> 
> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch.  Did I 
> miss something obvious?
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> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
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> 
> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was 
> going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue 
> tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just abou

Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

['Peggy' via MacVisionaries]

I would like this, I have been using a mac for a very long time, but think 
there is a lot that I don't know.
Peggy and Dixie Marie

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On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

Guys,
 
I have been using a mac now for just over 10 years.  I started in the days of 
mac OSX 10.4.1 Tiger with a Power Mac G4 Quick Silver.
 
I am at the point now where I could not function without my mac, end of story!  
There are a few things on Windows I still do, but very few.  I'd say out of an 
8 hour work day, I'm probably only in Windows maybe 30 minutes to an hour out 
of that timeframe.
 
So, here is what I am thinking.  For those who live in the US, or have 
telephone calling to the states, how interested would people like Andy, or 
Arnald etc. be with me coordinating and teaching a 1 hour class on the basics 
of the mac OS from the standpoint of someone blind who has used Windows all 
their life?  Make it very clear that I do not plan to charge for this class.  I 
would very gladly vollenteer my time to do this for you all in a group setting. 
 The classes would not be all lecture based.  I would make them very 
interactive.  This means, though I might have a small portion of the class 
devoted to lecture, 95% of the hour would be helping you all better understand 
Voiceover, and your new mac system.  Over time, the coriculum would be:
 
Deciding which mac is right for you
The differences in keyboard layouts
Identifying the FN, CTRL, Option, and command keys
Discussing the Voiceover modifier keys
Turning on your mac for the very first time ever
Turning on Voiceover with no sighted help
Basic VO keyboard navigation
Basic VO trackpad navigation
Why trackpad gestures over keyboard navigation
Completing the first time setup assistant
Creating an Apple ID/ICloud ID, and why
The basics of Quick Nav
Accessing and navigating menu bars
Accessing and navigating menu extras, and what they are
Connecting to a wifi network
Configuring Finder view options to your liking
Accessing right click context menus
Navigating the dock, and what is it
Switching between opened applications
The Running applications window
Switching between opened windows within an application
The Window chooser
System Preferences, and useful configurations
The Finder, and basic navigation
Opening files/folders
Explaining concepts of volumes vs. drives
The Finder sidebar
The finder browser
Icon, list, and column views within the Finder
Changing between the three different views
Renaming files/folders
Copy/pasting files/folders
Selecting files/folders contiguously
Selecting file/folders noncontiguously
Adding items to the dock
Aliuses, what are they, and how to create them
Properly disconnecting USB drives, and external media
Closing opened windows
Quitting applications
Force quitting applications, and when to do so
An entire class hour long devoted to the Voiceover Utility
An entire class devoted to the concept of interacting
Routing the mouse pointer
Querying location of keyboard, Voiceover, and mouse focus
Getting very detailed coordinant locations of cursors
Moving and resizing windows with no sightedhelp
Hiding vs. minimizing
Zooming vs. maximizing
Closing vs. quitting
Setting some useful preferences for Safari
Two dedicated classes to surfing the web
One dedicated class to working with E-mail
Three dedicated classes to the basics of ITunes
The extreme basics of Quicktime, and why you'd need it
Basic word processing/text editting
A very basic introduction to Pages
A very basic introduction to Numbers
A very basic introduction to Keynote
The mac App Store
Software Update
Disk Utility
An incredibly extremely basic intro to Terminal
The notification Center
Audio/Midi Setup, and its rare uses
An intro to the stocked DVD player
An intro to Airplay
Booting into System Recovery
Imaging your drive with Super Duper
Time Machine, and its uses
Migration Assistant, and its uses
Installing, reinstalling, and clean installing OSX
Troubleshooting misbehaving login items
An intro to Activity Monitor
An intro to ICloud Drive
An Intro to Keychain Manager
 
The final class will be wishing everyone farewell with the mac, and answerring 
any questions which may have not already been covered.
 
Upon completion, everyone would receive an electronically e-mailed certifiquet 
certifying their full completion in the corse.
 
Along the way, some weeks will have weekly assignments which I will ask the 
group to complete for the next class.
 
If I do this for you guys, and I do it for free, then realize, I am giving you 
a $300 value.  Normally, this corse is charged at $300, but seeing how many on 
this list have lately seemed to be struggling, I believe in you guys enough, 
and I believe in Apple, and their products enough, that I would like to offer 
this to you all as a free gift.  It's not something I normally do, but if it 
will help you guys, then, I'll do it.
 
Let me say this though, if I do this for you all, I need to see true 
commi

braille embosser

['Peggy' via MacVisionaries]

I am thinking about getting a braille embosser that is wireless so I can print 
from my phone. I know Index has printers that will do this, are their any other 
printers that I could look at? Only want it for personal use, so wanted 
something small and inexpensive.
Peggy and Dixie Marie 

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Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO and my new Mac

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The Lighthouse for the Blind in San Francisco has books on using a mac also.
Peggy and Dixie Marie

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On Jun 15, 2016, at 11:57 AM, Andy  wrote:

Hi again Kimber.

Got it and for only $22.00

I'm going to start reading tonight or over the next few days.  I'm all excited 
now because I've a whole book with chapters on Voice over, mail, the internet 
and loads more.  I can now take my time and enjoy the learning of my new system.

Just need to sort out a couple of logging on and sleeping issues that are 
bugging me.

So thanks a million times for the link.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
- Original Message - From: "Kimber Gardner" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started with VO 
and my new Mac


> Hi Andy,
> 
> You aren't being a pest. It's a document you can read on the computer.
> In fact there are several formats from which you can choose depending
> on how you wish to access the book. Here is a link to the most recent
> version of the book for those running el capitan. If you need the book
> for yoseminy just let me know and I can send you a link.
> 
> http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/MAC-CAPITAN.html?id=hLGdzmXA
> 
>> On 6/14/16, Andy  wrote:
>> Hi again Kimber.
>> 
>> Sorry to be a pest, but are you talking about a text document that I can
>> read on my computer or a paper-back book which requires sight?
>> 
>> If the former, would you have a url to the particular site or page?
>> 
>> very best wishes and sorry if I'm annoying everyone know with my questions.
>> 
>> Very best wishes.
>> Andy.
>> 
>>  - Original Message -
>>  From: Kimberly
>>  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>  Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:27 AM
>>  Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started
>> with VO and my new Mac
>> 
>> 
>>  The books are available as text files which can be downloaded.
>> 
>> 
>>  Sent from Kimber's iPhone
>> 
>>  On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:28 AM, Andy  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>Hi Kimeer.
>> 
>>where these books available as text files or Braille?
>> 
>>I ask because I never took to braille, given my poor sense of touch.
>> 
>>Very best wishes.
>>Andy.
>>  - Original Message -
>>  From: Kimberly
>>  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>  Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:16 AM
>>  Subject: Re: Looking for audio or even txt tutorials to get me started
>> with VO and my new Mac
>> 
>> 
>>  Andy,
>> 
>> 
>>  There are a couple of books available from the national Braille press
>> that will give you a good starting point. They are written by Janet Ingber
>> and are specific to the operating system you have. I bought the one written
>> for Yosemite and found it very helpful even though I am still running Lion
>> due to the age of my computer. This book was the best resource I found, no
>> lie.
>> 
>> 
>>  Kimber
>> 
>>  Sent from Kimber's iPhone
>> 
>>  On Jun 13, 2016, at 1:19 PM, Andy 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>Hi all.
>> 
>>I've jumped ship from Win 7 to a beutiful 27 inch Imac with
>> Elcapitan and I'm stuck.
>> 
>>I cannot for the life of me find affordable tutorials, in any
>> format, to get me started.
>> 
>>I bought the new computer and jumped ship because I was convinced
>> that there must be lpoads of training materials available to help me, but
>> unfortunately, the lovely shine is quickly leaving my new computer.
>> 
>>So I need some form of formate media to help me learn about voice
>> over and how to get started .
>> 
>>Any information would be absolutely appricieated.
>> 
>>Andy.
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Safari unexpectedly quitting

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Subject says it all, safari quits on some sites. When VO is turned off, it 
works fine. Does it have something to do with settings in VO? One of the sites 
that this happens on is the social security site. Any thoughts?
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Re: Trekker Breeze units

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As long as I leve it plugged in when it is not being used, it still works. I 
used it a lot when I had para-transit service, but since I no longer have that, 
Trekker doesn't get turned on very often.
Peggy and Dixie Marie

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On Mar 12, 2016, at 3:10 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:

Wow, Peggy, is your original Trekker still working? 

I have the Breeze, first generation. 
Jenine Stanley
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> I have the original Trekker. The thing that I don't like is that with the one 
> that I have is if the battery dies, the software needs to be reinstalled 
> using a PC. I know they do not make that Trekker anymore but even if I just 
> want to install maps you need a PC.
> Peggy and Dixie Marie
> 
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> Hello there everyone,
> 
> I am curious how many people have a Trekker Breeze GPS?  The reason I am 
> asking is I think it’s about time for us to have a Mac application which can 
> copy maps, copy route data, update the device if there is new updates.  I 
> happen to have one.  I am also looking at doing the same thing for the Victor 
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Re: Trekker Breeze units

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I have the original Trekker. The thing that I don't like is that with the one 
that I have is if the battery dies, the software needs to be reinstalled using 
a PC. I know they do not make that Trekker anymore but even if I just want to 
install maps you need a PC.
Peggy and Dixie Marie

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Hello there everyone,

I am curious how many people have a Trekker Breeze GPS?  The reason I am asking 
is I think it’s about time for us to have a Mac application which can copy 
maps, copy route data, update the device if there is new updates.  I happen to 
have one.  I am also looking at doing the same thing for the Victor Stream 
reader.

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Re: response from SpeedDots

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I did see that info on the site.
Peggy and Dixie Marie

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On Mar 6, 2016, at 8:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi all,

Since I shared my negative opinions on SpeedDots yesterday, I also wanted to 
write and share some positive follow-up.

As I wrote earlier, I wrote to SpeedDots yesterday.  I did not ask for a 
refund, but shared my disappointment with the product, and specifically the 
lack of instruction for how to properly place it on the phone.  I received a 
response from them within four hours, which to my thinking is pretty 
impressive, especially since it was a Saturday.  Their response stated that on 
their website it states that this protector will not work without the OtterBox 
case on the phone.  I had not seen anything that said that when I was at the 
site, and I had also had an email exchange with them before purchasing that did 
not indicate that that was the case, but I assume the information is there 
somewhere.  At any rate, they offered me a choice, either a refund or a 
replacement with the correct protector for phones that don't have the OtterBox 
Case.  I chose the latter, as I figure I ought to give it a fair try under the 
conditions that they say will work.

Though I could have done without yesterday's frustrations, I couldn't have 
asked for a more prompt or customer-oriented response.  I still don't know 
where I'm going to end re these tactile covers, but the people at SpeedDots get 
high marks from me for the way they've handled my situation.
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: Don't waste your money on Speed Dots screen protectors!

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I have the speed dots screen protector on my phone and I have had no problems 
with it. I also have the tempered glass underneath. My sister put them on for 
me.
Peggy and Dixie Marie

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On Mar 5, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi Mary,

In my case there was nothing in the envelope accept the cleaning cloth and the 
cover.

I, too, find the dots disconcerting, but am not sure whether it's because I'm 
not used to the dots, or because the placement of the protector is off.  If I 
place my finger on a dot on the home screen, by very slightly shifting my 
finger, I can get VO to read out multiple icons, which makes me think that the 
placement is incorrect.  Also, in the Messages app, the dot is above the Send 
button, where it tells me that the previous message was delivered.  there may 
be a perfectly good reason for that, e.g. that dot was intended to mark a 
different control, but it's another thing that makes me wonder.

I did write them and tell them I was not happy with the product, but I'm not 
going to ask for a refund.  I figure those guys aren't rolling in money, and 
sometimes you try new things only to discover that you don't like it.  I do 
hope they'll include some instructions when shipping the covers in the future, 
though.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Mar 5, 2016, at 3:21 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I seem to recall that the speed dots in the past anyway, did give such 
> information. Or it might've been the folks at AT guys, who were selling that 
> product and may still be, we're the ones who gave that info. One of my 
> friends who has the speed Dotz did have it with the OtterBox defender. It was 
> not for the same model of phone that you have. It was an older model, a 5S I 
> believe. But he loved them. I personally don't like them.  I probably would 
> have, but when I got my first I device, and iPod touch third-generation, they 
> weren't available. So I just learned to use the touchscreen without the dots. 
> And now, when I see a friends phone with the dots, I find them sort of 
> disconcerting. I do hope you can get your money back, since you obviously 
> didn't have a good experience.
> Mary
> 
> 
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>> On Mar 5, 2016, at 12:59 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> That is why I included the information about the model that I bought.  It 
>> may be that buying the standard model is more useful, but I cannot recommend 
>> the model that I bought.  And I do think Speed Dots could give you a bit of 
>> information about how to correctly place it on the phone, because if you 
>> can't do that, no model is going to be worth much.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>>> On Mar 5, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> I never bought speed Dotz. But I have friends who have, and they think the 
>>> cover is great. I am sorry your experience was not a good one. But I don't 
>>> think it is reasonable to generalize from one bad experience to say that 
>>> the entire product is lame. Were that the case, the product wouldn't be 
>>> around anymore. Maybe you can get your money back.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 5, 2016, at 12:29 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I just wanted to share my experience with the list.
 
 As you know, I decided to try out a tactile screen protector from Speed 
 Dots.  I got the Otterbox version.  I do not currently have an otterBox 
 case, but got this model so that I would have the right screen protector 
 if I do eventually get one.
 
 There is absolutely no way to tell how to correctly line up the tactile 
 cover on the phone.  It ends just above the home button, so putting your 
 finger in the hole for the home button, as was suggested on list, is not 
 an option.  There is therefore no way to determine how high up or not to 
 place the cover.  There's also no way to line it up so that it's straight. 
  I finally gave up and asked my sighted husband to put it on, but the 
 buttons still don't read consistently when I touch the dots in the bottom 
 row, i.e. the dock.  At this point, I'd say my location of buttons is more 
 accurate without the tactile cover.  And, at this point, I've taken the 
 stupid cover on and off so many times, I'll be surprised if it sticks for 
 very long at all.
 
 I'm glad it was only $13, but still sorry I gave them even that much of my 
 money.  My advice to the rest of you is don't bother, this is a really 
 lame product.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Re: Romola captcha solver

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Hi Jennine, I use it all the time, works great. Good to see you on this list.
Peggy and Dixie Marie

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On Mar 3, 2016, at 11:12 AM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:

Maybe I’m not spelling it correctly but could someone give a link for more info 
on the Romola captcha solver? 

Is it a monthly subscription? How is it working for you? 

Thanks. 
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Re: Choosing a Mac, getting started

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I have a Mac Book Air, I love it.
Peggy and Dixie Marie

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On Dec 31, 2015, at 5:19 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:

John, I wouldn’t really go Mini unless you have a specific reason.  By the time 
you add the monitor and keyboard and other items you don’t save much and I’m 
not sure what you gain but maybe you have a specialized application that 
requires this so I’m happy to be corrected.

I myself like the Macbook Pro line if you want a laptop.  This gives you lots 
of horse power for that audio editing and running virtual machines and you can 
take the memory up as well.  I would suggest at least 8GB if you want to run 
more than one virtual machine at a time.  If you just want a single windows 
instance and nothing tricky you can certainly do it with less but I find once 
you start one you want more and I run all sorts of operating systems so you may 
wish to consider doubling down on the RAM.
   All the other stuff you want to do should be no problem with the lower end 
devices.  The AIR is nice and thin but it’s not a huge power house although 
it’s by no means weak.  It’s just on the lower end of the product line in terms 
of power but it’s a great solution for it’s size and weight.  



> On Dec 30, 2015, at 11:50 PM, John Ylioja  wrote:
> 
> I recently joined this group and would like to learn more about using the Mac 
> and its accessibility.  I am considering buying a Mac, and have been 
> exploring some different models.  I would appreciate any input anyone may 
> have before I buy one.
> 
> My main purposes right now for using the mac would be for learning how the OS 
> works, using web browsing, email, word processing, listening to audio files, 
> and trying some audio editing.  I'd also like to try Apple Script, Python, 
> and maybe the new Swift programming language.  Does VoiceOver work well in 
> the terminal?
> 
> I would also like to have the option to run Windows as a virtual machine, and 
> am considering whether to get 8 GB of RAM or go with 4.
> 
> Recently when working on my resume, I found it helpful that my Windows screen 
> reader was able to tell me the horizontal and vertical position of the cursor 
> so that I could tell how far down on the page the text was, and make sure 
> text was lined up horizontally.  Does VoiceOver offer this kind of feedback 
> in either Pages or Microsoft Office?
> 
> I'm mainly considering the Mac Mini, Macbook Air, or Macbook.  From reading 
> Apple's OS X requirements, many 2012 or newer models of the Mac Mini are 
> supported.  If I go with a Macbook Air or Macbook, I may go for a newer 
> machine to maximize its battery life since the battery isn't easily 
> replaceable.  Would I be ok with getting a Mac Mini from 2012 or newer if I 
> decide to go with one of those, instead of buying the latest model, or are 
> there any drawbacks from an accessibility standpoint?
> 
> How valuable is it to have a numeric pad?  I understand VoiceOver has a 
> numpad commander that can be used to assign keyboard commands.  Would it be 
> worth considering an external Apple keyboard with a numeric pad if I buy a 
> laptop without one?  How about a trackpad, if I choose a Mac Mini without one 
> built in?
> 
> One of the things I am excited about is access to the recovery software, and 
> being able to easily create and run Mac OS from an external hard drive or 
> flash drive for troubleshooting or as a second system for experimenting.  Can 
> I use an existing external hard drive and repartition it so that I have a 
> partition for backup file storage and a second partition to install OS X, or 
> would it be better to have OS X as the only thing on the external drive?  I 
> recall reading that when choosing a startup OS by holding the option key at 
> startup that there is no speech.  Are there other screens like this to be 
> aware of?
> 
> Thanks for any ideas.
> 
> John
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