Re: Magic Trackpad

[Jason Shaw]

Trackpad commander on?

On 3/1/2016 11:40 PM, E.T. wrote:
>Its been ages since I had this connected. Now, while it is connected,
> I am unable to use normal VO gestures such as the flick left and right.
> I think I have looked at all settings but am drawing a blank. Hope
> someone can point me in the right direction. Thanks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 

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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Jason Shaw]

Amazon

On 3/1/2016 7:17 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> I've paid a lot more for books that ar not written with the view of teaching 
> to a blind computer user,
> So I think this 35 is a bloody good price concidering it's written 
> specifically for Voiceover users 
> 
> Show me another book like this that's as cheap.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2016 2:05 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
> with VoiceOver
> 
> That's not the point.  The point is that they put a lot of hard work into 
> creating the book, and they deserve to be paid for it.  Few of us would be 
> very happy if we went to our job one day and at the end of the day we were 
> told that we were providing a beneficial service, so we wouldn't get paid.  
> And unless you think that blind people are special and just deserve to have 
> everything handed to them, everyone else pays for their knowledge.  Want a 
> book about home improvement?  About using a certain kind of software? About 
> cooking or gardening?  Guess what, you're going to pay for it.  There's no 
> reason that this should be any different.
> Donna
>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 12:12 AM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book 
>> is freely available. There are other ways of making money other than 
>> sharing beneficial knowledge.
>>
>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>>   Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>>>
>>>   You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
>>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
>>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>> true?
>>>
>>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
>>>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
>>>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the 
>>>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>>>>
>>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>>>>> I see both sides of this argument.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
>>>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
>>>>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
>>>>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time 
>>>>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves 
>>>>> and or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for 
>>>>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
>>>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
>>>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as 
>>>>> appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of 
>>>>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the 
>>>>> grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this 
>>>>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable 
>>>>> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever 
>>>>> tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
>>>>>
>>>>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
>>>>>
>>>>> DFTBA!
>>>>>
>>>>> John D. Lipsey
>>>>>
>>>>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Twitter: @J_TGL
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>>>>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge 
>>>>>> which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they 
>>>>>> financially able or not.
>>>>>

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Jason Shaw]

On 3/1/2016 2:14 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
> Thank you Ann. I will gladly purchase this book. You deserved to be paid for 
> your talents, and for your work. You shouldn’t be expected to work for free. 
> Blind people need to stop this entitlement crap! This is your niche. You do 
> an awesome job. We all appreciate your dedication.
>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something illegal by 
>> distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public list. Third, 
>> you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you seem to have done 
>> so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you to talk on the same 
>> list as the author and publisher of the book about giving it away. Have you 
>> never had a job? Have you never worried about feeding yourself, a dog if you 
>> have one? Have you really had everything handed to you for your entire life? 
>> I should be so lucky. Until you know what any of this is like, there is no 
>> way you can understand the true value of a good day's work. If you went to 
>> work one day and expected a check, but were told that you wouldn't be 
>> getting one because your talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't 
>> get to be paid. Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their 
>> time, energy and hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and 
>> only charge $15 p
er hour for that training, even though I am recently JAWS certified. This book, 
which doubtless contains several hours of information, costs just over what it 
would to get two hours of training from myself. I find this more than 
reasonable. I for one will probably purchase this book at some point and will 
gain a lot of information from it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will not 
pirate the book just so I can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and Jonathan 
for yet another awesome book. 
>> Aleeha Dudley 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
>>> asks. Contact me if you want it.
>>>
>>>> On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
>>>> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.  so, 
>>>> why can not ann make money on her eduicational material?
>>>>
>>>> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life 
>>>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
>>>>> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>>>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth 
>>>>>> anything to you or your family?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on 
>>>>>> producing this guide,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They've worked hard to put it together,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the 
>>>>>> Mac with VoiceOver
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is 
>>>>>> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than 
>>>>>> sharing beneficial knowledge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>>>>>> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
>>>>>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
>>>>>>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
>>>>>>> you might remember th

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Jason Shaw]

hahaha

On 3/1/2016 12:42 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
> I really hope that's true, because I'm getting tired of having to put up with 
> these little thieving, Disagreeable little brats I'm list. The last one tried 
> to bring us all down for disagreeing with him. now this one wants to tell us 
> how great thievery is
> 
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 6:15 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>>   It does little to discuss this with one who obviously has no moral 
>> compass. The less said on list, the better. Mark knows what to do with 
>> people like this. That is the best we can expect. Let Jonathan deal with it 
>> too.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>
>>> On 2/29/2016 2:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> Aleeha,
>>>
>>> I could not have said your words any better, and I don't think I could
>>> agree more with you, if someone asked me to do so.
>>>
>>> I, too, would sincerely like to thank Anne for her hard work.  You
>>> cannot know how much it's appreciated, and rest assured, I will support
>>> you until the very end through this mess.
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley"
>>> <blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com>
>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:53 PM
>>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the
>>> Mac with VoiceOver
>>>
>>>
>>> That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something
>>> illegal by distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public
>>> list. Third, you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you
>>> seem to have done so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you
>>> to talk on the same list as the author and publisher of the book about
>>> giving it away. Have you never had a job? Have you never worried about
>>> feeding yourself, a dog if you have one? Have you really had everything
>>> handed to you for your entire life? I should be so lucky. Until you know
>>> what any of this is like, there is no way you can understand the true
>>> value of a good day's work. If you went to work one day and expected a
>>> check, but were told that you wouldn't be getting one because your
>>> talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't get to be paid.
>>> Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their time,
>>> energy and hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and
>>> only charge $15 per hour for that training, even though I am recently
>>> JAWS certified. This book, which doubtless contains several hours of
>>> information, costs just over what it would to get two hours of training
>>> from myself. I find this more than reasonable. I for one will probably
>>> purchase this book at some point and will gain a lot of information from
>>> it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will not pirate the book just so
>>> I can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and Jonathan for yet another
>>> awesome book.
>>> Aleeha Dudley
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
>>>> asks. Contact me if you want it.
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
>>>>> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.
>>>>> so, why can not ann make money on her eduicational material?
>>>>>
>>>>> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life
>>>>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
>>>>>> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>>>>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not
>>>>>>> worth anything to you or your family?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on
>>>>>>>

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Jason Shaw]

Those who got a free copy will benefit a lot from this book also. Nobody
will starve or die by freely sharing this book.

On 2/29/2016 11:15 PM, E.T. wrote:
>It does little to discuss this with one who obviously has no moral
> compass. The less said on list, the better. Mark knows what to do with
> people like this. That is the best we can expect. Let Jonathan deal with
> it too.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 2/29/2016 2:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Aleeha,
>>
>> I could not have said your words any better, and I don't think I could
>> agree more with you, if someone asked me to do so.
>>
>> I, too, would sincerely like to thank Anne for her hard work.  You
>> cannot know how much it's appreciated, and rest assured, I will support
>> you until the very end through this mess.
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley"
>> <blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com>
>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the
>> Mac with VoiceOver
>>
>>
>> That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something
>> illegal by distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public
>> list. Third, you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you
>> seem to have done so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you
>> to talk on the same list as the author and publisher of the book about
>> giving it away. Have you never had a job? Have you never worried about
>> feeding yourself, a dog if you have one? Have you really had everything
>> handed to you for your entire life? I should be so lucky. Until you know
>> what any of this is like, there is no way you can understand the true
>> value of a good day's work. If you went to work one day and expected a
>> check, but were told that you wouldn't be getting one because your
>> talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't get to be paid.
>> Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their time,
>> energy and hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and
>> only charge $15 per hour for that training, even though I am recently
>> JAWS certified. This book, which doubtless contains several hours of
>> information, costs just over what it would to get two hours of training
>> from myself. I find this more than reasonable. I for one will probably
>> purchase this book at some point and will gain a lot of information from
>> it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will not pirate the book just so
>> I can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and Jonathan for yet another
>> awesome book.
>> Aleeha Dudley
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
>>> asks. Contact me if you want it.
>>>
>>>> On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
>>>> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.
>>>> so, why can not ann make money on her eduicational material?
>>>>
>>>> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life
>>>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
>>>>> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>>>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not
>>>>>> worth anything to you or your family?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on
>>>>>> producing this guide,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They've worked hard to put it together,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegr

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Jason Shaw]

That's the best thing I've read for you in a while. Thanks kid, but I've
already shared the book to at least 9 people since your message. Thanks
to everybody who reached out.

On 2/29/2016 9:50 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> Thank you Jason for letting us know.  Now, we have evidence of your
> message, and I have already successfully reported you with a full copy
> of your mail and all headers including your IP both to Jonathan, as well
> as to Anne Robertson.
> 
> Smooth move, XLax!
> 
> Never mind my sarcasm.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Jason Shaw" <crazywint...@gmail.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 4:45 PM
> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the
> Mac with VoiceOver
> 
> 
> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
> asks. Contact me if you want it.
> 
> On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
>> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college. 
>> so, why can not ann make money on her eduicational material?
>>
>> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life
>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
>>> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
>>>
>>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not
>>>> worth anything to you or your family?
>>>>
>>>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on
>>>> producing this guide,
>>>>
>>>> They've worked hard to put it together,
>>>>
>>>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
>>>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on
>>>> the Mac with VoiceOver
>>>>
>>>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the
>>>> book is freely available. There are other ways of making money other
>>>> than sharing beneficial knowledge.
>>>>
>>>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>>>>   Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then
>>>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>>>>>
>>>>>   You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day,
>>>>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then
>>>>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>>>>>
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were
>>>>> true?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
>>>>>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to
>>>>>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the
>>>>>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>>>>>>> I see both sides of this argument.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely
>>>>>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as
>>>>>>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this
>>>>>>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time
>>>>>>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and
>>>>>>> or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for
>>>>>>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful
>>>>>>> knowledge.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with
>>>>>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and
>>>>>>> encorporate some of its informa

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Jason Shaw]

I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
asks. Contact me if you want it.

On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.  so, why 
> can not ann make money on her eduicational material?
> 
> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life 
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
>> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
>>
>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth 
>>> anything to you or your family?
>>>
>>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing 
>>> this guide,
>>>
>>> They've worked hard to put it together,
>>>
>>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
>>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
>>> with VoiceOver
>>>
>>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is 
>>> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing 
>>> beneficial knowledge.
>>>
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>>>   Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
>>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>>>>
>>>>   You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
>>>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
>>>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>>>>
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>>> true?
>>>>
>>>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
>>>>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
>>>>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the 
>>>>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>>>>>> I see both sides of this argument.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
>>>>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
>>>>>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
>>>>>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time 
>>>>>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and 
>>>>>> or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for 
>>>>>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
>>>>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
>>>>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as 
>>>>>> appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of 
>>>>>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the 
>>>>>> grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this 
>>>>>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable 
>>>>>> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever 
>>>>>> tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DFTBA!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John D. Lipsey
>>>>>>
>>>>>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Twitter: @J_TGL
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it wil

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Jason Shaw]

There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.

On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not worth 
> anything to you or your family?
> 
>  I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on producing 
> this guide,
> 
>  They've worked hard to put it together,
> 
> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac 
> with VoiceOver
> 
> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is 
> freely available. There are other ways of making money other than sharing 
> beneficial knowledge.
> 
> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then 
>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>>
>>You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, 
>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then 
>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>> true?
>>
>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
>>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to 
>>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the 
>>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>>>
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>>>> I see both sides of this argument.
>>>>
>>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely 
>>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as 
>>>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this 
>>>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time 
>>>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves and 
>>>> or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for 
>>>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
>>>>
>>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with 
>>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and 
>>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as 
>>>> appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of 
>>>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the 
>>>> grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this 
>>>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable 
>>>> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever 
>>>> tried to charge that much for this knowledge.
>>>>
>>>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
>>>>
>>>> DFTBA!
>>>>
>>>> John D. Lipsey
>>>>
>>>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> Twitter: @J_TGL
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>>>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge 
>>>>> which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially 
>>>>> able or not.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
>>>>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have 
>>>>>> a free option to share with my assistive technology class. The 
>>>>>> instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I 
>>>>>> was very unprepared to help them make a course for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>.
>>>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>>> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
>&

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Jason Shaw]

Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the book is
freely available. There are other ways of making money other than
sharing beneficial knowledge.

On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then
> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
> 
>You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day,
> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then you
> might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote:
>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to
>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the
>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.
>>
>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
>>> I see both sides of this argument.
>>>
>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely
>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as
>>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this together
>>> is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time that the
>>> author could be using to do other things for themselves and or their
>>> family.  I have no problem compensating somebody for something as
>>> long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
>>>
>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with
>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and
>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as
>>> appropriate.  Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of
>>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the
>>> grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like this
>>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable prices
>>> from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever tried to
>>> charge that much for this knowledge.
>>>
>>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
>>>
>>> DFTBA!
>>>
>>> John D. Lipsey
>>>
>>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Twitter: @J_TGL
>>>
>>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which
>>>> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able
>>>> or not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
>>>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a
>>>>> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The
>>>>> instructors
>>>>> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very
>>>>> unprepared
>>>>> to help them make a course for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>.
>>>>> Devin Prater
>>>>> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
>>>>> <kevincha...@gmail.com <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
>>>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org
>>>>> <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful
>>>>> people on
>>>>> this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
>>>>> clearly knows it inside-out.
>>>>> Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
>>>>> Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge
>>>>> into an
>>>>> eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has
>>>>> published
>>>>> it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
>>>>> 40,000 words of essential info for making the most

Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Jason Shaw]

$35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to
everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the
ability to will donate, those who cannot won't.

On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote:
> I see both sides of this argument.
> 
> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely available means 
> that it can be given to as wide of an audience as humanly possible. However, 
> I’m sure putting a book like this together is no simple task. It probably 
> requires a lot of time—time that the author could be using to do other things 
> for themselves and or their family.  I have no problem compensating somebody 
> for something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful knowledge.
> 
> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with Voiceover 
> to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and encorporate some of 
> its information into training sessions as appropriate.  Also, even though $35 
> may seem like a lot of money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s 
> not, in the grand scheme of things, a bad price.  I could see a book like 
> this priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable prices 
> from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever tried to charge that 
> much for this knowledge.
> 
> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go.
> 
> DFTBA!
> 
> John D. Lipsey
> 
> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com
> 
> Twitter: @J_TGL
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which
>> would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not.
>>
>>
>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a
>>> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors
>>> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared
>>> to help them make a course for it.
>>>
>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>.
>>> Devin Prater
>>> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
>>> <kevincha...@gmail.com <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
>>>On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org
>>><mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on
>>>this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
>>>clearly knows it inside-out.
>>>Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
>>>Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an
>>>eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published
>>>it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
>>>40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
>>>application.
>>>You can learn more about the book here
>>><http://mosen.org/index.php/mymacpages/>.
>>>Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a
>>>real need out there.
>>>Jonathan Mosen
>>>Mosen Consulting
>>>Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>>http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org>
>>>
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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Jason Shaw]

This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will be.
Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge which
would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they financially able or not.


On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote:
> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to have a
> free option to share with my assistive technology class. The instructors
> know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I was very unprepared
> to help them make a course for it.
> 
> Sent from Outlook Mobile .
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao"
> > wrote:
> 
> Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels?
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen  > wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful people on
> this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She
> clearly knows it inside-out.
> Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her husband
> Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge into an
> eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has published
> it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains over
> 40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the
> application.
> You can learn more about the book here
> .
> Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. It definitely meets a
> real need out there.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
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Re: trillion for mac version 3.4 built 5

[Jason Shaw]

i'm sorry about those messages my account was hacked. i changed my
password but somebody is still sending messages to all the lists i'm
on, how are they using my account if i changed my password. can
someone please help!

On 2/23/16, Jaan Ali  wrote:
> sorry but this message was not for you, it was for jason
> kindly read the last messages of the trillion topic and you will get the
> idea
>
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Re: finally got trillion up and running and have a question.

[Jason Shaw]

qwegdsaadsf

On 2/23/2016 2:07 AM, Jessica Moss wrote:
> Ok cool.
> On Feb 22, 2016, at 9:04 PM, jaan ali  > wrote:
> 
>> Ok will try to provide its dropbox link in a hour or so
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> DISCLAIMER:
>> "The information contained in this message is confidential and may be
>> protected by legal privilege. It is intended only for 
>> the person(s) named as addressee. The dissemination,
>> distribution,copying or disclosure of this message, or its contents is 
>> strictly prohibited unless authorized by the sender. If you have
>> received this message in error, please notify to the sender at the
>> above address and delete the email."
>>
>> On 22-Feb-2016, at 9:01 PM, jaan ali > > wrote:
>>
>>> Click on the download button which is in the starting of the message 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> DISCLAIMER:
>>> "The information contained in this message is confidential and may be
>>> protected by legal privilege. It is intended only for 
>>> the person(s) named as addressee. The dissemination,
>>> distribution,copying or disclosure of this message, or its contents is 
>>> strictly prohibited unless authorized by the sender. If you have
>>> received this message in error, please notify to the sender at the
>>> above address and delete the email."
>>>
>>> On 22-Feb-2016, at 8:55 PM, Jessica Moss >> > wrote:
>>>
 Ok, I don't see anything to download.  I see something that says
 "attachment available until," but don't remember the date, but the
 save attachment option is dimmed.
 On Feb 22, 2016, at 8:50 PM, Jaan Ali > wrote:

>
> Attachment available until Mar 23, 2016
> hi kindly remove the version that you are useing and download
> thisone and copy it in your app’s folder i am running it perfectly
> without any problim
> i think it is 3.2
>  but it is working like a charm
>
>> On Feb 22, 2016, at 6:53 PM, Jessica Moss
>> > wrote:
>>
>> k, I'm not sure if this is the version you were telling me about
>> or not, but when I click the link, it just temporarily goes busy,
>> then says "empty html content," then I see a file name called
>> "trillian," but have no idea what version, but it's just as
>> enaccessible as any of the other's I've ever tried, aside from the
>> older version that I was sent which I could somewhat use, but
>> couldn't access any of my on line contacts, and couldn't figure
>> out how to start a chat with anybody, on line or not just to test
>> it.  I really just want something simple that I can use to chat
>> with people on fb through my computer, sense it takes forever on
>> my phone, and this is frustrating the heck out of me.
>> On Feb 22, 2016, at 1:21 PM, BBS > > wrote:
>>
>>> Here is the link to get Trillian 3.4. Sorry Scott Berry for the
>>> wait as well. www.trillian.im/get/mac/3.4/
>>> .
>>>
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Skype Username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>  
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Jessica Moss
>>> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 7:12 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: finally got trillion up and running and have a question.
>>>
>>> Where are you finding this?  I've done google searches for it,
>>> and the latest I've been able to find is 3.3, which I tried after
>>> the older version still refuses to show my contacts as being on
>>> line, and the 3.3 version is just as useless.
>>> On Feb 20, 2016, at 5:12 AM, BBS >> > wrote:
>>>
 No, it's not the old version. This is 3.4 that he gave me.


 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10 Twitter
 Handle: 
 shawnk_aka_bbs Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Skype Username: 
 bbstheblindrapper Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com
 

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  
 

Re: finally got trillion up and running and have a question.

[Jason Shaw]

wqerdfsvs

On 2/23/2016 2:07 AM, Jessica Moss wrote:
> Ok cool.
> On Feb 22, 2016, at 9:04 PM, jaan ali  > wrote:
> 
>> Ok will try to provide its dropbox link in a hour or so
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> DISCLAIMER:
>> "The information contained in this message is confidential and may be
>> protected by legal privilege. It is intended only for 
>> the person(s) named as addressee. The dissemination,
>> distribution,copying or disclosure of this message, or its contents is 
>> strictly prohibited unless authorized by the sender. If you have
>> received this message in error, please notify to the sender at the
>> above address and delete the email."
>>
>> On 22-Feb-2016, at 9:01 PM, jaan ali > > wrote:
>>
>>> Click on the download button which is in the starting of the message 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> DISCLAIMER:
>>> "The information contained in this message is confidential and may be
>>> protected by legal privilege. It is intended only for 
>>> the person(s) named as addressee. The dissemination,
>>> distribution,copying or disclosure of this message, or its contents is 
>>> strictly prohibited unless authorized by the sender. If you have
>>> received this message in error, please notify to the sender at the
>>> above address and delete the email."
>>>
>>> On 22-Feb-2016, at 8:55 PM, Jessica Moss >> > wrote:
>>>
 Ok, I don't see anything to download.  I see something that says
 "attachment available until," but don't remember the date, but the
 save attachment option is dimmed.
 On Feb 22, 2016, at 8:50 PM, Jaan Ali > wrote:

>
> Attachment available until Mar 23, 2016
> hi kindly remove the version that you are useing and download
> thisone and copy it in your app’s folder i am running it perfectly
> without any problim
> i think it is 3.2
>  but it is working like a charm
>
>> On Feb 22, 2016, at 6:53 PM, Jessica Moss
>> > wrote:
>>
>> k, I'm not sure if this is the version you were telling me about
>> or not, but when I click the link, it just temporarily goes busy,
>> then says "empty html content," then I see a file name called
>> "trillian," but have no idea what version, but it's just as
>> enaccessible as any of the other's I've ever tried, aside from the
>> older version that I was sent which I could somewhat use, but
>> couldn't access any of my on line contacts, and couldn't figure
>> out how to start a chat with anybody, on line or not just to test
>> it.  I really just want something simple that I can use to chat
>> with people on fb through my computer, sense it takes forever on
>> my phone, and this is frustrating the heck out of me.
>> On Feb 22, 2016, at 1:21 PM, BBS > > wrote:
>>
>>> Here is the link to get Trillian 3.4. Sorry Scott Berry for the
>>> wait as well. www.trillian.im/get/mac/3.4/
>>> .
>>>
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Skype Username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>  
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Jessica Moss
>>> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 7:12 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: finally got trillion up and running and have a question.
>>>
>>> Where are you finding this?  I've done google searches for it,
>>> and the latest I've been able to find is 3.3, which I tried after
>>> the older version still refuses to show my contacts as being on
>>> line, and the 3.3 version is just as useless.
>>> On Feb 20, 2016, at 5:12 AM, BBS >> > wrote:
>>>
 No, it's not the old version. This is 3.4 that he gave me.


 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10 Twitter
 Handle: 
 shawnk_aka_bbs Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Skype Username: 
 bbstheblindrapper Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com
 

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  
 

Re: finally got trillion up and running and have a question.

[Jason Shaw]

asfd

On 2/23/2016 2:07 AM, Jessica Moss wrote:
> Ok cool.
> On Feb 22, 2016, at 9:04 PM, jaan ali  > wrote:
> 
>> Ok will try to provide its dropbox link in a hour or so
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> DISCLAIMER:
>> "The information contained in this message is confidential and may be
>> protected by legal privilege. It is intended only for 
>> the person(s) named as addressee. The dissemination,
>> distribution,copying or disclosure of this message, or its contents is 
>> strictly prohibited unless authorized by the sender. If you have
>> received this message in error, please notify to the sender at the
>> above address and delete the email."
>>
>> On 22-Feb-2016, at 9:01 PM, jaan ali > > wrote:
>>
>>> Click on the download button which is in the starting of the message 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> DISCLAIMER:
>>> "The information contained in this message is confidential and may be
>>> protected by legal privilege. It is intended only for 
>>> the person(s) named as addressee. The dissemination,
>>> distribution,copying or disclosure of this message, or its contents is 
>>> strictly prohibited unless authorized by the sender. If you have
>>> received this message in error, please notify to the sender at the
>>> above address and delete the email."
>>>
>>> On 22-Feb-2016, at 8:55 PM, Jessica Moss >> > wrote:
>>>
 Ok, I don't see anything to download.  I see something that says
 "attachment available until," but don't remember the date, but the
 save attachment option is dimmed.
 On Feb 22, 2016, at 8:50 PM, Jaan Ali > wrote:

>
> Attachment available until Mar 23, 2016
> hi kindly remove the version that you are useing and download
> thisone and copy it in your app’s folder i am running it perfectly
> without any problim
> i think it is 3.2
>  but it is working like a charm
>
>> On Feb 22, 2016, at 6:53 PM, Jessica Moss
>> > wrote:
>>
>> k, I'm not sure if this is the version you were telling me about
>> or not, but when I click the link, it just temporarily goes busy,
>> then says "empty html content," then I see a file name called
>> "trillian," but have no idea what version, but it's just as
>> enaccessible as any of the other's I've ever tried, aside from the
>> older version that I was sent which I could somewhat use, but
>> couldn't access any of my on line contacts, and couldn't figure
>> out how to start a chat with anybody, on line or not just to test
>> it.  I really just want something simple that I can use to chat
>> with people on fb through my computer, sense it takes forever on
>> my phone, and this is frustrating the heck out of me.
>> On Feb 22, 2016, at 1:21 PM, BBS > > wrote:
>>
>>> Here is the link to get Trillian 3.4. Sorry Scott Berry for the
>>> wait as well. www.trillian.im/get/mac/3.4/
>>> .
>>>
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Skype Username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>  
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Jessica Moss
>>> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 7:12 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: finally got trillion up and running and have a question.
>>>
>>> Where are you finding this?  I've done google searches for it,
>>> and the latest I've been able to find is 3.3, which I tried after
>>> the older version still refuses to show my contacts as being on
>>> line, and the 3.3 version is just as useless.
>>> On Feb 20, 2016, at 5:12 AM, BBS >> > wrote:
>>>
 No, it's not the old version. This is 3.4 that he gave me.


 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10 Twitter
 Handle: 
 shawnk_aka_bbs Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Skype Username: 
 bbstheblindrapper Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com
 

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  
 

Re: finally got trillion up and running and have a question.

[Jason Shaw]

vsdvdsvsd

On 2/23/2016 2:07 AM, Jessica Moss wrote:
> Ok cool.
> On Feb 22, 2016, at 9:04 PM, jaan ali  > wrote:
> 
>> Ok will try to provide its dropbox link in a hour or so
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> DISCLAIMER:
>> "The information contained in this message is confidential and may be
>> protected by legal privilege. It is intended only for 
>> the person(s) named as addressee. The dissemination,
>> distribution,copying or disclosure of this message, or its contents is 
>> strictly prohibited unless authorized by the sender. If you have
>> received this message in error, please notify to the sender at the
>> above address and delete the email."
>>
>> On 22-Feb-2016, at 9:01 PM, jaan ali > > wrote:
>>
>>> Click on the download button which is in the starting of the message 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> DISCLAIMER:
>>> "The information contained in this message is confidential and may be
>>> protected by legal privilege. It is intended only for 
>>> the person(s) named as addressee. The dissemination,
>>> distribution,copying or disclosure of this message, or its contents is 
>>> strictly prohibited unless authorized by the sender. If you have
>>> received this message in error, please notify to the sender at the
>>> above address and delete the email."
>>>
>>> On 22-Feb-2016, at 8:55 PM, Jessica Moss >> > wrote:
>>>
 Ok, I don't see anything to download.  I see something that says
 "attachment available until," but don't remember the date, but the
 save attachment option is dimmed.
 On Feb 22, 2016, at 8:50 PM, Jaan Ali > wrote:

>
> Attachment available until Mar 23, 2016
> hi kindly remove the version that you are useing and download
> thisone and copy it in your app’s folder i am running it perfectly
> without any problim
> i think it is 3.2
>  but it is working like a charm
>
>> On Feb 22, 2016, at 6:53 PM, Jessica Moss
>> > wrote:
>>
>> k, I'm not sure if this is the version you were telling me about
>> or not, but when I click the link, it just temporarily goes busy,
>> then says "empty html content," then I see a file name called
>> "trillian," but have no idea what version, but it's just as
>> enaccessible as any of the other's I've ever tried, aside from the
>> older version that I was sent which I could somewhat use, but
>> couldn't access any of my on line contacts, and couldn't figure
>> out how to start a chat with anybody, on line or not just to test
>> it.  I really just want something simple that I can use to chat
>> with people on fb through my computer, sense it takes forever on
>> my phone, and this is frustrating the heck out of me.
>> On Feb 22, 2016, at 1:21 PM, BBS > > wrote:
>>
>>> Here is the link to get Trillian 3.4. Sorry Scott Berry for the
>>> wait as well. www.trillian.im/get/mac/3.4/
>>> .
>>>
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Skype Username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>  
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Jessica Moss
>>> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 7:12 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: finally got trillion up and running and have a question.
>>>
>>> Where are you finding this?  I've done google searches for it,
>>> and the latest I've been able to find is 3.3, which I tried after
>>> the older version still refuses to show my contacts as being on
>>> line, and the 3.3 version is just as useless.
>>> On Feb 20, 2016, at 5:12 AM, BBS >> > wrote:
>>>
 No, it's not the old version. This is 3.4 that he gave me.


 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10 Twitter
 Handle: 
 shawnk_aka_bbs Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Skype Username: 
 bbstheblindrapper Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com
 

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  
 

Re: finally got trillion up and running and have a question.

[Jason Shaw]

tjsdaf

On 2/23/2016 2:07 AM, Jessica Moss wrote:
> Ok cool.
> On Feb 22, 2016, at 9:04 PM, jaan ali  > wrote:
> 
>> Ok will try to provide its dropbox link in a hour or so
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> DISCLAIMER:
>> "The information contained in this message is confidential and may be
>> protected by legal privilege. It is intended only for 
>> the person(s) named as addressee. The dissemination,
>> distribution,copying or disclosure of this message, or its contents is 
>> strictly prohibited unless authorized by the sender. If you have
>> received this message in error, please notify to the sender at the
>> above address and delete the email."
>>
>> On 22-Feb-2016, at 9:01 PM, jaan ali > > wrote:
>>
>>> Click on the download button which is in the starting of the message 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> DISCLAIMER:
>>> "The information contained in this message is confidential and may be
>>> protected by legal privilege. It is intended only for 
>>> the person(s) named as addressee. The dissemination,
>>> distribution,copying or disclosure of this message, or its contents is 
>>> strictly prohibited unless authorized by the sender. If you have
>>> received this message in error, please notify to the sender at the
>>> above address and delete the email."
>>>
>>> On 22-Feb-2016, at 8:55 PM, Jessica Moss >> > wrote:
>>>
 Ok, I don't see anything to download.  I see something that says
 "attachment available until," but don't remember the date, but the
 save attachment option is dimmed.
 On Feb 22, 2016, at 8:50 PM, Jaan Ali > wrote:

>
> Attachment available until Mar 23, 2016
> hi kindly remove the version that you are useing and download
> thisone and copy it in your app’s folder i am running it perfectly
> without any problim
> i think it is 3.2
>  but it is working like a charm
>
>> On Feb 22, 2016, at 6:53 PM, Jessica Moss
>> > wrote:
>>
>> k, I'm not sure if this is the version you were telling me about
>> or not, but when I click the link, it just temporarily goes busy,
>> then says "empty html content," then I see a file name called
>> "trillian," but have no idea what version, but it's just as
>> enaccessible as any of the other's I've ever tried, aside from the
>> older version that I was sent which I could somewhat use, but
>> couldn't access any of my on line contacts, and couldn't figure
>> out how to start a chat with anybody, on line or not just to test
>> it.  I really just want something simple that I can use to chat
>> with people on fb through my computer, sense it takes forever on
>> my phone, and this is frustrating the heck out of me.
>> On Feb 22, 2016, at 1:21 PM, BBS > > wrote:
>>
>>> Here is the link to get Trillian 3.4. Sorry Scott Berry for the
>>> wait as well. www.trillian.im/get/mac/3.4/
>>> .
>>>
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Skype Username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>  
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Jessica Moss
>>> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 7:12 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: finally got trillion up and running and have a question.
>>>
>>> Where are you finding this?  I've done google searches for it,
>>> and the latest I've been able to find is 3.3, which I tried after
>>> the older version still refuses to show my contacts as being on
>>> line, and the 3.3 version is just as useless.
>>> On Feb 20, 2016, at 5:12 AM, BBS >> > wrote:
>>>
 No, it's not the old version. This is 3.4 that he gave me.


 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10 Twitter
 Handle: 
 shawnk_aka_bbs Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Skype Username: 
 bbstheblindrapper Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com
 

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  
 

Re: finally got trillion up and running and have a question.

[Jason Shaw]

wtf

On 2/23/2016 2:07 AM, Jessica Moss wrote:
> Ok cool.
> On Feb 22, 2016, at 9:04 PM, jaan ali  > wrote:
> 
>> Ok will try to provide its dropbox link in a hour or so
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> DISCLAIMER:
>> "The information contained in this message is confidential and may be
>> protected by legal privilege. It is intended only for 
>> the person(s) named as addressee. The dissemination,
>> distribution,copying or disclosure of this message, or its contents is 
>> strictly prohibited unless authorized by the sender. If you have
>> received this message in error, please notify to the sender at the
>> above address and delete the email."
>>
>> On 22-Feb-2016, at 9:01 PM, jaan ali > > wrote:
>>
>>> Click on the download button which is in the starting of the message 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> DISCLAIMER:
>>> "The information contained in this message is confidential and may be
>>> protected by legal privilege. It is intended only for 
>>> the person(s) named as addressee. The dissemination,
>>> distribution,copying or disclosure of this message, or its contents is 
>>> strictly prohibited unless authorized by the sender. If you have
>>> received this message in error, please notify to the sender at the
>>> above address and delete the email."
>>>
>>> On 22-Feb-2016, at 8:55 PM, Jessica Moss >> > wrote:
>>>
 Ok, I don't see anything to download.  I see something that says
 "attachment available until," but don't remember the date, but the
 save attachment option is dimmed.
 On Feb 22, 2016, at 8:50 PM, Jaan Ali > wrote:

>
> Attachment available until Mar 23, 2016
> hi kindly remove the version that you are useing and download
> thisone and copy it in your app’s folder i am running it perfectly
> without any problim
> i think it is 3.2
>  but it is working like a charm
>
>> On Feb 22, 2016, at 6:53 PM, Jessica Moss
>> > wrote:
>>
>> k, I'm not sure if this is the version you were telling me about
>> or not, but when I click the link, it just temporarily goes busy,
>> then says "empty html content," then I see a file name called
>> "trillian," but have no idea what version, but it's just as
>> enaccessible as any of the other's I've ever tried, aside from the
>> older version that I was sent which I could somewhat use, but
>> couldn't access any of my on line contacts, and couldn't figure
>> out how to start a chat with anybody, on line or not just to test
>> it.  I really just want something simple that I can use to chat
>> with people on fb through my computer, sense it takes forever on
>> my phone, and this is frustrating the heck out of me.
>> On Feb 22, 2016, at 1:21 PM, BBS > > wrote:
>>
>>> Here is the link to get Trillian 3.4. Sorry Scott Berry for the
>>> wait as well. www.trillian.im/get/mac/3.4/
>>> .
>>>
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Skype Username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>  
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Jessica Moss
>>> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 7:12 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: finally got trillion up and running and have a question.
>>>
>>> Where are you finding this?  I've done google searches for it,
>>> and the latest I've been able to find is 3.3, which I tried after
>>> the older version still refuses to show my contacts as being on
>>> line, and the 3.3 version is just as useless.
>>> On Feb 20, 2016, at 5:12 AM, BBS >> > wrote:
>>>
 No, it's not the old version. This is 3.4 that he gave me.


 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10 Twitter
 Handle: 
 shawnk_aka_bbs Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Skype Username: 
 bbstheblindrapper Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com
 

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  
 

Re: finally got trillion up and running and have a question.

[Jason Shaw]

wtf

On 2/23/2016 2:07 AM, Jessica Moss wrote:
> Ok cool.
> On Feb 22, 2016, at 9:04 PM, jaan ali  > wrote:
> 
>> Ok will try to provide its dropbox link in a hour or so
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> DISCLAIMER:
>> "The information contained in this message is confidential and may be
>> protected by legal privilege. It is intended only for 
>> the person(s) named as addressee. The dissemination,
>> distribution,copying or disclosure of this message, or its contents is 
>> strictly prohibited unless authorized by the sender. If you have
>> received this message in error, please notify to the sender at the
>> above address and delete the email."
>>
>> On 22-Feb-2016, at 9:01 PM, jaan ali > > wrote:
>>
>>> Click on the download button which is in the starting of the message 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> DISCLAIMER:
>>> "The information contained in this message is confidential and may be
>>> protected by legal privilege. It is intended only for 
>>> the person(s) named as addressee. The dissemination,
>>> distribution,copying or disclosure of this message, or its contents is 
>>> strictly prohibited unless authorized by the sender. If you have
>>> received this message in error, please notify to the sender at the
>>> above address and delete the email."
>>>
>>> On 22-Feb-2016, at 8:55 PM, Jessica Moss >> > wrote:
>>>
 Ok, I don't see anything to download.  I see something that says
 "attachment available until," but don't remember the date, but the
 save attachment option is dimmed.
 On Feb 22, 2016, at 8:50 PM, Jaan Ali > wrote:

>
> Attachment available until Mar 23, 2016
> hi kindly remove the version that you are useing and download
> thisone and copy it in your app’s folder i am running it perfectly
> without any problim
> i think it is 3.2
>  but it is working like a charm
>
>> On Feb 22, 2016, at 6:53 PM, Jessica Moss
>> > wrote:
>>
>> k, I'm not sure if this is the version you were telling me about
>> or not, but when I click the link, it just temporarily goes busy,
>> then says "empty html content," then I see a file name called
>> "trillian," but have no idea what version, but it's just as
>> enaccessible as any of the other's I've ever tried, aside from the
>> older version that I was sent which I could somewhat use, but
>> couldn't access any of my on line contacts, and couldn't figure
>> out how to start a chat with anybody, on line or not just to test
>> it.  I really just want something simple that I can use to chat
>> with people on fb through my computer, sense it takes forever on
>> my phone, and this is frustrating the heck out of me.
>> On Feb 22, 2016, at 1:21 PM, BBS > > wrote:
>>
>>> Here is the link to get Trillian 3.4. Sorry Scott Berry for the
>>> wait as well. www.trillian.im/get/mac/3.4/
>>> .
>>>
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Skype Username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>  
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Jessica Moss
>>> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 7:12 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: finally got trillion up and running and have a question.
>>>
>>> Where are you finding this?  I've done google searches for it,
>>> and the latest I've been able to find is 3.3, which I tried after
>>> the older version still refuses to show my contacts as being on
>>> line, and the 3.3 version is just as useless.
>>> On Feb 20, 2016, at 5:12 AM, BBS >> > wrote:
>>>
 No, it's not the old version. This is 3.4 that he gave me.


 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook Via Bootcamp and Windows 10 Twitter
 Handle: 
 shawnk_aka_bbs Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Skype Username: 
 bbstheblindrapper Facetime Username: bbssh...@icloud.com
 

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  
 

Re: trillion for mac version 3.4 built 5

[Jason Shaw]

learn to use fucking punctuation you little dibshit

On 2/23/2016 6:14 AM, Jaan Ali wrote:
> hi download the new version of trillion it is the beta 5 thats why its
> not on mac store, i got it from trillion’s webside it came on 18 feb
> 2016 and working great with voiceover below is the link for download
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/75yimmphe5x9tdr/Trillian.app.zip?dl=0
> 
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