Is this really Apple software???

[Larry Wanger]

Hi,

I'm sure that some of what I'm about to say has already been posted by others 
on this list. But, in the interests of documenting bugs and seeking solutions 
that may have been found I want to share some of my experiences with Lion. 
Honestly, I can't believe that Lion was released in its present state. This 
along with the continuing problems I have with the software running my Apple TV 
make me wonder what the heck is happening at Apple headquarters. Apple is known 
for quality software and products that just work. Lion in my view is an epic 
failure.

I upgraded to Lion last week when it was released and have experienced 
increasing problems. Some of them include:

1. Voiceover has a bug where for no reason what so ever the voice changes to 
what sounds like a demonic tone. I may be in the middle of reading something 
and the voice will change for absolutely no reason and then it changes back. 
This happens fairly often but I have not yet figured out a cause.

2. Mail has serious bugs. I'm using the new mail view and have noticed that the 
application freezes and is not responsive when looking at certain types of 
email. These seem to be emails with graphics such as messages from Amazon.com 
and Facebook. I am able to read general messages just fine but the heavier 
graphics seem to kill the program entirely.

3. The zoom feature consistently does not work. I might be able to use it for a 
while but at some point it just stops functioning entirely. Turning the feature 
off and on again has no effect. The only solution I've been able to find is 
logging off and signing on again.

4. I often find it easier to reverse the contrast on screen but this feature 
will not function when Voiceover is running. I must turn Voiceover off, hit 
control option command 8 and then turn Voiceover back on again. Yes, I 
sometimes use both features together.

5. Late on Monday I thought I'd check to see if there were any software updates 
for Lion in hoes that I might find something. When selecting software update I 
could not even get the OS to run the application to check. I had to log off and 
then sign on again.

In general I'm experiencing massive slowness and serious issues when using 
Voiceover and many applications. I'm not using obscure programs either and They 
are shown to work under Lion. I mean absolutely no criticism at anyone out 
there who was involved with beta testing this software as it relates to 
Voiceover but this product has no business being widely available when you take 
in to consideration past standards and expectations of Apple. This is extremely 
frustrating to say the least.

If anyone has solutions that might help I'm very interested. Perhaps there are 
some system settings I can change or some maintenance operations that could be 
run to help with these issues. Perhaps a 3rd party program could be run to help 
with cleaning things up. Perhaps I need to figure out how to do a clean 
install? That would be extremely time consuming and I'm not entirely sure how 
to restore from time Machine but that may be necessary. Should I just put up 
with all of this until Apple releases a software update?

Thanks for any tips or suggestions. 

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Re: Word processing Q and intro

[Larry Wanger]

Hi,

I purchased Pages a few years ago, maybe in 2009, and at that time it did not 
work well with VO. While I was able to work within the application VO had 
difficulties with focus and with continius reading from one page to another. 
Perhaps things have been improved in subsiquent releases? What version are you 
using?


On Jul 25, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Larry,
> 
> What are your problems with Pages? If you could be specific, I might be able 
> to help you.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 25 Jul 2011, at 15:56, Larry Wanger wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I used to be on this list and with the release of Lion and some issues I'm 
>> having I decided to begin participating once again. I've been using a Mac 
>> since at least 2006.
>> 
>> My question relates to finding a good word processing program. I'm starting 
>> graduate school in a few weeks and a big part of that will be research and 
>> writing. I currently have Pages and Text Edit on my iMac. Pages has ongoing 
>> Voiceover issues and Text Edit seemingly is very basic and lacks the tools I 
>> might need. I've tried Open Office with mixed results. That could be an 
>> option as I may not have spent enough time with it. 
>> 
>> I wonder if anyone has other suggestions for fully accessible word 
>> processing programs that are equivalent to MS Office in terms of 
>> functionality?
>> 
>> Thanks.
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Word processing Q and intro

[Larry Wanger]

Hi,

I used to be on this list and with the release of Lion and some issues I'm 
having I decided to begin participating once again. I've been using a Mac since 
at least 2006.

My question relates to finding a good word processing program. I'm starting 
graduate school in a few weeks and a big part of that will be research and 
writing. I currently have Pages and Text Edit on my iMac. Pages has ongoing 
Voiceover issues and Text Edit seemingly is very basic and lacks the tools I 
might need. I've tried Open Office with mixed results. That could be an option 
as I may not have spent enough time with it. 

I wonder if anyone has other suggestions for fully accessible word processing 
programs that are equivalent to MS Office in terms of functionality?

Thanks.

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RE: saytext is available

[Larry Wanger]

How do you turn on the LED light and leave it on?


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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 11:37 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: saytext is available

remember lighting isn't much of an issue now that you have the led light in
the front of the phone  that can be left on
On Jun 28, 2010, at 11:47 PM, Larry Wanger wrote:

> I just tried it on the new iPhone 4 and it works. It beeps when the
document is in focus and the camera is steady; best done with two hands
unless you've got a very steady hand, and it takes the picture. OCR doesn't
take a terribly long time. The quality of lighting in the room is a big
deal. When I first scanned I had poor results but then moved to somewhat
better lighting and could read the letter in front of me with a fair amount
of errors. I'm not after perfection though, just after something that can
give me enough information to make heads or tails out of things. I think
that if I'm using it with better lighting it will be great.
> 
> 
> On Jun 28, 2010, at 6:29 PM, joseph wrote:
> 
>> hi listers, finally, saytext is their.  head to the app store and put
>> In the surch box, "saytext doc scanner".  I tested it with iphone 3gs
>> but found that OCR results are bad.  Also, the phone would not beep to
>> tell me that the document is in focus as explained in the youtube
>> demo.  I hope someone els can try it and perhaps you would have better
>> luck than me.
>> 
>> regards.
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Re: saytext is available

[Larry Wanger]

I just tried it on the new iPhone 4 and it works. It beeps when the document is 
in focus and the camera is steady; best done with two hands unless you've got a 
very steady hand, and it takes the picture. OCR doesn't take a terribly long 
time. The quality of lighting in the room is a big deal. When I first scanned I 
had poor results but then moved to somewhat better lighting and could read the 
letter in front of me with a fair amount of errors. I'm not after perfection 
though, just after something that can give me enough information to make heads 
or tails out of things. I think that if I'm using it with better lighting it 
will be great.


On Jun 28, 2010, at 6:29 PM, joseph wrote:

> hi listers, finally, saytext is their.  head to the app store and put
> In the surch box, "saytext doc scanner".  I tested it with iphone 3gs
> but found that OCR results are bad.  Also, the phone would not beep to
> tell me that the document is in focus as explained in the youtube
> demo.  I hope someone els can try it and perhaps you would have better
> luck than me.
> 
> regards.
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Re: ACB Convention

[Larry Wanger]

Hey Chris, I'm here in PHX as well and will be around the convention. Maybe we 
could try to plan some kind of meet-up for people on the list at one of the 
restaurants around the convention hotel in the evening. We could chat off list 
if necessary, formulate some plans and then maybe come up with an announcement 
or something. Just a thought. 


On Jun 27, 2010, at 3:43 AM, Chris Snyder wrote:

> Hi ladies and gentlemen,
> I am one of the people who is unfortunate enough to live in the hottest state 
> in the US which I lovingly refer to as Arid Zona. Anyway, I am wondering if 
> any of you fine visionaries are planning to attend the ACB convention in my 
> hot city. If so, it might be fun to take a break from our safari, gather 
> round the firewire, and have some toast. Since it's hot though, perhaps we 
> might want to meet up on the dock and iChat over java and cookies. I would 
> have tried to come up with more mac programs, but not many deal with food. lol
> 
> Friendly,
> Chris
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converting DVD

[Larry Wanger]

Hi,

Can someone point me to software that I can use to convert DVD to MP4 or 
another file format that I can use. My wife has several DVDs she owns that have 
arobic workouts on them and, as she will be traveling quite a bit in the near 
future, she wants to end up being able to use the air video app on the iPad to 
watch them. This application plays many video file formats and my real issue is 
finding a Mac product that will capture the audio/video and copy it to my 
computer hard drive.

Thanks for any help with this.


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Re: Install iOS 4 today!

[Larry Wanger]

The options before June of last year were to use one of the phones from LG or 
other providers that offered limited access to basic phone functions or to 
purchase one of the phones and put Talks or one of the other speech programs on 
it. And, after using the iPhone, I really think those solutions were sub par. 
The iPhone is far better than those solutions.

On Jun 20, 2010, at 6:23 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Only realistic option?  So what were blind people using before last June?  I 
> agree the iPhone gives the most accessibility for the best overall price but 
> it's not the only game in town.
> On Jun 20, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Michael Thurman wrote:
> 
>> yes and only 1 for the I phone the only realistic accessibility solutionfor 
>> portable use
>> On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> Not enough competition?
>>> 
>>> I can think of 4 other carriers off the top of my head.  How much 
>>> competition is needed?
>>> On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Ryan Mann wrote:
>>> 
 I agree with you Donna.  The problem is that there is not much competition 
 in the phone carrier market in the United States, so Atnt is not really 
 motivated to beaf up their network.  For a perspective on why this is bad 
 for consumers, read http://www.freepress.net/node/80372.
 
 On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 
> Good points, but I wonder if you're right about people being more 
> careful. I'm sure that some will, but many will probably just pay for the 
> larger amount of data, and continue their current behavior.
> 
> I think the better solution to the problem you're talking about would be 
> for ATT to get their act together and build a decent infrastructure.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:
> 
>> You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the 
>> more I like it.
>> 
>> Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network 
>> performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. 
>> Has become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in 
>> large part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, 
>> those people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively 
>> do anything on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, 
>> anyone can go get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth 
>> for $30 per month. You don't need many of those people in your area 
>> before most of the network capacity is gone.
>> 
>> Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can 
>> afford to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most 
>> people won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider 
>> what they're doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all 
>> day at their desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. 
>> They'll be worried about bills now, which means they'll stay off the 
>> network, which means more bandwidth for me.
>> 
>> I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or 
>> all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of 
>> those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the 
>> bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the 
>> other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that 
>> you can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet 
>> restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that 
>> actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they provide. 
>> If not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality of 
>> unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more upset 
>> with AT&T's network being clogged than I am about the price. If I can 
>> pay more to have it work well, then sign me up.
>> 
>> Bryan
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman
>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today!
>> 
>> how do you figure that  if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but 
>> i want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone  i 
>> also want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on 
>> the telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple 
>> hours of streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just 
>> needs to get off thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's 
>> not like I'm tryinh o ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything 
>> and god forbid i ever did 

Re: Is the Numbers app accessible on iPad?

[Larry Wanger]

Yes, it works with VO. Figuring out how to use it is on my list but I've been 
able to enter data and mess around with it.


On Apr 30, 2010, at 7:24 PM, Brett Campbell wrote:

> Is the Numbers app accessible with VoiceOver on the iPad?
> 
> 
> Brett C.
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RE: Which iPad mode is better?

[Larry Wanger]

No right answer for this. Portrait or landscape depends entirely on the app
you are using. Some of the iPhone apps only work in portrait on either
platform for example. How you hold it is a very personal decision in terms
of what's comfortable for you. It depends on whether you're in constant
contact with the screen or just holding it while reading a book. 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Bollinger
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Subject: Which iPad mode is better?

Hi all,

Just wondering what those who have iPads think. Is portrait or landscape 
better and which way is the best way to hold it?

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RE: considering an iPad but have questions

[Larry Wanger]

It is 5G. They are not offering a true unlimited data plan. But, I'd be
surprised if I consume anything close to 5GB of data per month. I might
because I download several video podcasts but even then I highly doubt it.


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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Ivey Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 2:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: considering an iPad but have questions

out of curiousity is that unlimited or the new standard 5 gb a month?  
thanks, Max
On Apr 7, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
>
> The data plans for the iPad are pay as you go.  There is no  
> contract.  You can get the $15 250MB plan as well as the $30  
> umlimited plan.
>
> hth
> On Apr 7, 2010, at 4:52 PM, Larry Wanger wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> So, I think I'm going to get an iPad but have data related  
>> questions. While
>> wifi is probably a good option, the fact is that free and reliable  
>> wifi is
>> not as available as we might hope. I often find myself on the  
>> train, a bus,
>> waiting at a business, Etc. where wifi is not available. Both the  
>> iPhone and
>> iPad are very data centric devices and most of the apps I use  
>> require an
>> Internet connection. Therefore, I can easily see situations where  
>> the lack
>> of Internet access is going to be a problem. Yet, I absolutely hate  
>> the idea
>> of paying for a data plan with AT&T when I'm already doing so with  
>> the
>> iPhone. My iPhone is not jail broken so tethering really isn't a  
>> good option
>> for me.
>>
>> I've looked at purchasing a mifi from Verizon as another option.  
>> The cost is
>> $50 after a rebate and either $40 or $60 per month on a 2 year  
>> agreement
>> depending on the data plan I want. I'm finding that I'm very mobile  
>> and not
>> at home much of the time now days and am considering canceling or  
>> sharply
>> cutting back on my broadband costs there so that would offset the  
>> cost of
>> the access through a mifi.
>>
>> For those who don't know, the mifi is a device a bit larger than a  
>> credit
>> card that provides Internet access via the Verizon 3G network.
>>
>> Ultimately, there is a question here which relates to the  
>> requirement of
>> having a data plan on the iPhone. Is a data plan required? Does  
>> AT&T offer a
>> limited data plan at a lower cost or is the $30 unlimited plan my  
>> only
>> choice. I really don't want to pay for multiple data plans if I can  
>> get out
>> of it.
>>
>> Thanks for any thoughts.
>>
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RE: considering an iPad but have questions

[Larry Wanger]

I understand the iPad data plans and their costs. However, I'm not a fan of
AT&T, I have found places with terrible 3G access and I don't want to pay
them for 2 data plans. I'd ultimately like to cancel the iPhone data plan if
it is possible and just have the Verizon Mifi for data. However, my question
is whether or not the data plans are required for the iPhone and or if they
have a lower priced option even if it has data limits.

Thanks.



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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 2:05 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: considering an iPad but have questions

Hi,

The data plans for the iPad are pay as you go.  There is no contract.  You
can get the $15 250MB plan as well as the $30 umlimited plan.

hth 
On Apr 7, 2010, at 4:52 PM, Larry Wanger wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> So, I think I'm going to get an iPad but have data related questions.
While
> wifi is probably a good option, the fact is that free and reliable wifi is
> not as available as we might hope. I often find myself on the train, a
bus,
> waiting at a business, Etc. where wifi is not available. Both the iPhone
and
> iPad are very data centric devices and most of the apps I use require an
> Internet connection. Therefore, I can easily see situations where the lack
> of Internet access is going to be a problem. Yet, I absolutely hate the
idea
> of paying for a data plan with AT&T when I'm already doing so with the
> iPhone. My iPhone is not jail broken so tethering really isn't a good
option
> for me.
> 
> I've looked at purchasing a mifi from Verizon as another option. The cost
is
> $50 after a rebate and either $40 or $60 per month on a 2 year agreement
> depending on the data plan I want. I'm finding that I'm very mobile and
not
> at home much of the time now days and am considering canceling or sharply
> cutting back on my broadband costs there so that would offset the cost of
> the access through a mifi. 
> 
> For those who don't know, the mifi is a device a bit larger than a credit
> card that provides Internet access via the Verizon 3G network. 
> 
> Ultimately, there is a question here which relates to the requirement of
> having a data plan on the iPhone. Is a data plan required? Does AT&T offer
a
> limited data plan at a lower cost or is the $30 unlimited plan my only
> choice. I really don't want to pay for multiple data plans if I can get
out
> of it.
> 
> Thanks for any thoughts.
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considering an iPad but have questions

[Larry Wanger]

Hi,

So, I think I'm going to get an iPad but have data related questions. While
wifi is probably a good option, the fact is that free and reliable wifi is
not as available as we might hope. I often find myself on the train, a bus,
waiting at a business, Etc. where wifi is not available. Both the iPhone and
iPad are very data centric devices and most of the apps I use require an
Internet connection. Therefore, I can easily see situations where the lack
of Internet access is going to be a problem. Yet, I absolutely hate the idea
of paying for a data plan with AT&T when I'm already doing so with the
iPhone. My iPhone is not jail broken so tethering really isn't a good option
for me.

I've looked at purchasing a mifi from Verizon as another option. The cost is
$50 after a rebate and either $40 or $60 per month on a 2 year agreement
depending on the data plan I want. I'm finding that I'm very mobile and not
at home much of the time now days and am considering canceling or sharply
cutting back on my broadband costs there so that would offset the cost of
the access through a mifi. 

For those who don't know, the mifi is a device a bit larger than a credit
card that provides Internet access via the Verizon 3G network. 

Ultimately, there is a question here which relates to the requirement of
having a data plan on the iPhone. Is a data plan required? Does AT&T offer a
limited data plan at a lower cost or is the $30 unlimited plan my only
choice. I really don't want to pay for multiple data plans if I can get out
of it.

Thanks for any thoughts.


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Re: Macintosh application for tagging .mp3 and other sound files

[Larry Wanger]

Not sure this is what you want but I have a huge library that had hundreds of 
tagging issues with files. I used Pollux to tag all of them. Its $10 and very 
accurate. Saved me tons of time. Warning, if you don't have a little usable 
vision or someone with vision to help you it will be difficult to use this as 
its not really friendly with Voice Over if I recall.



On Mar 31, 2010, at 3:18 AM, John André Netland wrote:

> Hi Krister,
> 
> Why not use iTunes for this? You will always find the untagged files at the 
> bottom of your song list when all songs are shown.
> 
> Take care,
> John André
> 
> On 31. mars 2010, at 11.31, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> Sorry if this has been discussed before, but i would like to know if there's 
>> an app out there with which to tag and possible batch tag sound files like 
>> mp3s or such? In leopard i could tag a file from Finder but that doesn't 
>> seem to be possible anymore so i'm curious as to what people use to tag 
>> their files.
>> /Krister
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RE: scanner software

[Larry Wanger]

Hi,

Related to this software discussion is the issue of finding the best
scanner. I have been trying to connect an HP PSC1315 to my Mac with no
success. Apparently Snow Leopard is the problem somehow. I can make it print
as its an all-in-one unit but scanning isn't happening. I've had this for
years and have opted to just get something different and recycle the HP. Can
someone recommend a good all-in-one unit that will cooperate with the Mac
under Snow Leopard. I've spent hours on this HP and am done with the thing!



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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:18 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: scanner software

Hello May,

I would strongly advise against ReadIris. The setting to correct page
orientation has to be reset every time you launch the application. If you
scan the left-hand and right-hand pages at the time, it regularly gets them
the wrong way round, making nonsense of the text. It also has a limitation
of 50 pages, that is, 50 images at a time.

Abbyy FineReader, on the other hand, is extremely good. There is no
limitation on the number of pages to be processed at one time, it can
recognise up to 3 languages in one document and is cheaper than ReadIris.

If your scanner is not supported by Abbyy FineReader, you can always use
Image CApture, which comes with your Mac, but which I find a bit laborious
to use, or purchase VueScan which does a very good job and is easy to use.

Prices:
ReadIris Pro 12 - $129
Abbyy FineReader Express - $89
VueScan - $39 for one year, $79 for life.

Cheers,

Anne

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RE: mini CD's?

[Larry Wanger]

Don't do it! I made that mistake and had to take it to the Apple Store to
have it removed. You won't be able to get it out withough store assistance.


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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
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Subject: Re: mini CD's?

Hello Erik,

I'm afraid your MBP won't take mini CDs.

Cheers,

Anne
On Jan 19, 2010, at 2:27 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> Hey guys, I just wanted a quick nook at a driver CD for an old part I have
laying around here, and it's a mini CD.  Uh, I am really reluctant to just
shove this disk into the slot on the side of my mbp.  Does any one know if
the drive will take these discs?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> erik burggraaf
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Re: Connecting HP All-in-One

[Larry Wanger]

Hi,

I thought of that but when I launch Immage Capture it says no devices were 
detected.


On Jan 17, 2010, at 9:34 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Larry, I don't know which model you have, but I just launched the image 
> capture program in Applications/Utilities to perform a scan.  I have the HP 
> Deskjet Pro L7650.
> On Jan 17, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Larry Wanger wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Somewhat VO related, somewhat off topic...sorry but I'm at a loss!
>> 
>> I have an HP all-in-one printer/copier/fax/scanner that I'm attempting to 
>> connect to my Mac for the first time. I have successfully installed the 
>> printer driver and enabled the printer to work correctly. I can print from 
>> text edit and other programs. However, I can't get the scanner function to 
>> work. When I hit the scan button on the unit nothing happens. I am trying to 
>> scan in several old photos and then want to use the scanner for OCR purposes.
>> 
>> Any ideas on what I'm missing and how I can get the scanner working?
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Connecting HP All-in-One

[Larry Wanger]

Hi,

Somewhat VO related, somewhat off topic...sorry but I'm at a loss!

I have an HP all-in-one printer/copier/fax/scanner that I'm attempting to 
connect to my Mac for the first time. I have successfully installed the printer 
driver and enabled the printer to work correctly. I can print from text edit 
and other programs. However, I can't get the scanner function to work. When I 
hit the scan button on the unit nothing happens. I am trying to scan in several 
old photos and then want to use the scanner for OCR purposes.

Any ideas on what I'm missing and how I can get the scanner working?

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RE: Blio e-book reader

[Larry Wanger]

I didn't find it in the app store.


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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:50 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blio e-book reader

Reading the first article gives one the impression it is already available
for the iPHone and iPod Touch. Maybe I'm just to hopeful. :)  
On Jan 4, 2010, at 1:36 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> This article says it will be out on the Mac
> 
>
http://nexus404.com/Blog/2009/12/29/blio-software-revealed-full-color-book-r
eading-software-goes-after-ebook-readers/
> 
> CB
> 
> Christina wrote:
>> It appears that it will be available for the ipod touch and iphone but I
haven't seen a mention about the mac.  I don't know if they're working on it
for the mac or if it's not possible.
>> 
>>
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/12/blio-ray-kurzweil-book/?utm_source=fe
edburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wired%2Fgadgets+%28Wired%3A+Ga
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RE: Blio e-book reader

[Larry Wanger]

Home page at http://www.blioreader.com/


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Subject: Blio e-book reader

It appears that it will be available for the ipod touch and iphone but I
haven't seen a mention about the mac.  I don't know if they're working on it
for the mac or if it's not possible.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/12/blio-ray-kurzweil-book/?utm_source=fe
edburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wired%2Fgadgets+%28Wired%3A+Ga
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RE: Blio e-book reader

[Larry Wanger]

As I'm sure you noticed, this article says the service will be unveiled at
CES which happens this week. I'm looking for the official site now and will
post anything I find. Looks really interesting.


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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christina
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:15 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Blio e-book reader

It appears that it will be available for the ipod touch and iphone but I
haven't seen a mention about the mac.  I don't know if they're working on it
for the mac or if it's not possible.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/12/blio-ray-kurzweil-book/?utm_source=fe
edburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wired%2Fgadgets+%28Wired%3A+Ga
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RE: It's pointless!

[Larry Wanger]

Sure, just buy them a mac and take away their old PC. I did it to my wife
and it worked. She complained at first but got over it.


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Subject: It's pointless!

Folks, if you want to argue with a die hard Windows user and try to convince
him or her that the Mac is better, good luck. I challenge anybody to convert
a Windows user to the Mac. Can it be done?

Jess

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Re: Text-to-Speech Support on Kindle coming for Vision Impaired users

[Larry Wanger]

I'm not saying we should pay for anything but its an option. Once we have 
access to the device, we are part of the market for this product and we as much 
as anyone else can choose to purchase materials. Once you purchase the device, 
you purchase books and magazines as you wish. Obviously you would not purchase 
a book or magazine that didn't support TTS if you required that. But, 
understand that you're not being asked to pay for any content at all unless you 
choose to. 

On Dec 8, 2009, at 5:54 PM, Jake wrote:

> Hi Larry
> But what blind individual in their right mind would pay for access to
> just some content? I know the tts feature works, if I'm not mistaken
> it uses Nuance Vocalizer, but as long as it's up to someone else to
> decide which individual content we have access to then it simply won't
> be worth my money, especially when we have to buy the books anyway. I
> won't buy a book and then find out it doesn't have tts allowed, and I
> shouldn't have to worry about such a thing just because some
> buttonpusher decided it is a theoretical loss of money for them if I
> do so.
> 
> On Dec 8, 3:02 pm, "Larry Wanger"  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> My wife has a Kindle and, despite the publishers refusing us access, it's
>> actually optional for magazines and books to offer this. My wife has
>> demonstrated the text to speech feature and it's fairly good. Many magazines
>> and some books do still offer the speech option so know that once this
>> change is made to the menus we will enjoy some of what is available.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries+ow...@googlegroups.com
>> 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries+ow...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 1:29 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Text-to-Speech Support on Kindle coming for Vision Impaired
>> users
>> 
>> Hi Jacob,
>> 
>> Jake wrote:
>> 
>>> But will we be able to actually read the books after the author's
>>> guild basically said we have no right to and Amazon caved to them? It
>>> can have all the audible menus in the world, but if I can't read the
>>> book based on a licensing decision then it's still of no use.
>> That's the next step! and I agree that I'd rather have an accessible  
>> iPhone app through Stanza.
>> Cheers,
>> Esther
>>> Personally, I'd rather have an accessible version of the iPhone app
>>> anyway. $400 simply for an Ebook reader is just too much.
>>> Currently, the Kindle II has tts capability for books but only if
>>> thepublisher allows it, and most do not thanks to the author's guild.
>> 
>>> Esther wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>> 
>>>> I'm surprised that I haven't seen any mention on this list of  
>>>> Amazon's
>>>> announcement that they will update the Kindle 2 and Kindle DX to
>>>> include an audible menu that will use text-to-speech and add new  
>>>> large
>>>> fonts to better support vision-impaired users, and will implement
>>>> these changes in 2010. This has been covered in a few places since
>>>> yesterday.
>> 
>>>> Here's the press release at Amazon:
>> 
>> http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=176060&p=irol-newsArticle...
>> 2556&highlight=
>> 
>>>> A few links to articles reporting on this:
>>>> . Yahoo (basically the news release)
>> 
>> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Blind-and-VisionImpaired-bw-2422175966
>> 0&.v=1
>>>> . Techflash (has some commentary from the NFB, student reaction, and
>>>> other description)
>> 
>> http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2009/12/kindle_to_feature_new_tools_...
>> nd_visually_impaired.html
>> 
>>>> and here's some of the older (November 2009) criticism of the  
>>>> Kindle's
>>>> text-to-speech access from geek.com:
>> 
>> http://www.geek.com/articles/gadgets/kindle-dx-text-to-speech-access-...
>> zed-2009/
>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>> 
>>>> Esther
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RE: Text-to-Speech Support on Kindle coming for Vision Impaired users

[Larry Wanger]

I don't think so.

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[mailto:macvisionaries+ow...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of louie
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:05 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Text-to-Speech Support on Kindle coming for Vision Impaired
users

Do you think we will have to pay more to read a book that is  
restricted to visual only?

S
On Dec 8, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Larry Wanger wrote:

> Hi,
>
> My wife has a Kindle and, despite the publishers refusing us access,  
> it's
> actually optional for magazines and books to offer this. My wife has
> demonstrated the text to speech feature and it's fairly good. Many  
> magazines
> and some books do still offer the speech option so know that once this
> change is made to the menus we will enjoy some of what is available.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries+ow...@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries+ow...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 1:29 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Text-to-Speech Support on Kindle coming for Vision  
> Impaired
> users
>
> Hi Jacob,
>
> Jake wrote:
>
>> But will we be able to actually read the books after the author's
>> guild basically said we have no right to and Amazon caved to them? It
>> can have all the audible menus in the world, but if I can't read the
>> book based on a licensing decision then it's still of no use.
> That's the next step! and I agree that I'd rather have an accessible
> iPhone app through Stanza.
> Cheers,
> Esther
>> Personally, I'd rather have an accessible version of the iPhone app
>> anyway. $400 simply for an Ebook reader is just too much.
>> Currently, the Kindle II has tts capability for books but only if
>> thepublisher allows it, and most do not thanks to the author's guild.
>>
>> Esther wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm surprised that I haven't seen any mention on this list of
>>> Amazon's
>>> announcement that they will update the Kindle 2 and Kindle DX to
>>> include an audible menu that will use text-to-speech and add new
>>> large
>>> fonts to better support vision-impaired users, and will implement
>>> these changes in 2010. This has been covered in a few places since
>>> yesterday.
>>>
>>> Here's the press release at Amazon:
>>>
>>>
>
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=176060&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=136
> 2556&highlight=
>>>
>>> A few links to articles reporting on this:
>>> . Yahoo (basically the news release)
>>>
>
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Blind-and-VisionImpaired-bw-2422175966.html?x=
> 0&.v=1
>>> . Techflash (has some commentary from the NFB, student reaction, and
>>> other description)
>>>
>
http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2009/12/kindle_to_feature_new_tools_for_bli
> nd_visually_impaired.html
>>>
>>> and here's some of the older (November 2009) criticism of the
>>> Kindle's
>>> text-to-speech access from geek.com:
>>>
>
http://www.geek.com/articles/gadgets/kindle-dx-text-to-speech-access-critici
> zed-2009/
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Esther
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RE: Text-to-Speech Support on Kindle coming for Vision Impaired users

[Larry Wanger]

Hi,

My wife has a Kindle and, despite the publishers refusing us access, it's
actually optional for magazines and books to offer this. My wife has
demonstrated the text to speech feature and it's fairly good. Many magazines
and some books do still offer the speech option so know that once this
change is made to the menus we will enjoy some of what is available.



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From: macvisionaries+ow...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries+ow...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 1:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Text-to-Speech Support on Kindle coming for Vision Impaired
users

Hi Jacob,

Jake wrote:

> But will we be able to actually read the books after the author's
> guild basically said we have no right to and Amazon caved to them? It
> can have all the audible menus in the world, but if I can't read the
> book based on a licensing decision then it's still of no use.
That's the next step! and I agree that I'd rather have an accessible  
iPhone app through Stanza.
Cheers,
Esther
> Personally, I'd rather have an accessible version of the iPhone app
> anyway. $400 simply for an Ebook reader is just too much.
> Currently, the Kindle II has tts capability for books but only if
> thepublisher allows it, and most do not thanks to the author's guild.
>
> Esther wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm surprised that I haven't seen any mention on this list of  
>> Amazon's
>> announcement that they will update the Kindle 2 and Kindle DX to
>> include an audible menu that will use text-to-speech and add new  
>> large
>> fonts to better support vision-impaired users, and will implement
>> these changes in 2010. This has been covered in a few places since
>> yesterday.
>>
>> Here's the press release at Amazon:
>>
>>
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=176060&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=136
2556&highlight=
>>
>> A few links to articles reporting on this:
>> . Yahoo (basically the news release)
>>
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Blind-and-VisionImpaired-bw-2422175966.html?x=
0&.v=1
>> . Techflash (has some commentary from the NFB, student reaction, and
>> other description)
>>
http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2009/12/kindle_to_feature_new_tools_for_bli
nd_visually_impaired.html
>>
>> and here's some of the older (November 2009) criticism of the  
>> Kindle's
>> text-to-speech access from geek.com:
>>
http://www.geek.com/articles/gadgets/kindle-dx-text-to-speech-access-critici
zed-2009/
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Esther
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RE: Using A T & T Navigator

[Larry Wanger]

Hi Mark,

One simple reason I prefer Navigon is the cost factor. In 7 months of using
the AT&T product you've bought Navigon and, I don't feel the functionality
in the AT&T product justifies paying $10 per month on an ongoing basis. I
suppose I do miss the call feature to get an address and set your
destination but to be truthful, I found that unless conditions were optimal
the system just didn't recognize streets and numbers all that well. I never
got the audio repete button to work. At some point I'll try to do a
side-by-side comparison but don't hold your breath. One gripe I guess I'll
throw out about Navigon is that one needs more lead time and warning when in
a car doing a route with short d distances on a section of the route. It
just doesn't announce things soon enough and the inability to see a route
summary adds to that frustration. Both didn't seem to be issues on the AT&T
product as a route summary is available at the touch of a button.



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Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Using A T & T Navigator

Hello Larry,  

Thank you for the input.  

A couple of hours ago, I installed A T & T Navigator and I must admit that I
was/am very impressed with its ease of use.  However, I cannot get the app
to repeat the last spoken instruction, either.  The pedestrian routing works
marvelously well and the business lookup and route summary are superior.  If
I can only get the repeat button to work ...  

One feature that amazes me is the fact that one can merely call in the
address or intersection and it gets updated to the phone.  This is nice for
when you are in a moving vehicle and don't want to type in the address via
the virtual keyboard.  

You said that you prefer Navigon?  If you have time, can you tell me a
couple of reasons why?  

I'll be honest, I have not looked at Navigon in a while.  The last time I
checked, which was quite a while ago, I seemed to get stuck.  I know that
sounds weird but I couldn't seem to make heads or tails of it.  I remember
not being able to get it to do anything.  

Since many of the people on this list love Navigon, I will have to install
it yet again on my iPhone and give it a whirl.

If only Mobile Geo were ported to iPhone, how happy I would be.  

I wish there was some kind of iPhone app that would announce the names of
cross streets as they are passed, like in Geo.  Such a feature virtually
eliminates the need to ask a bus driver to tell you when your stop is
approaching.  

Oh well.

Thank you for any info.

Mark 




  









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[mailto:macvisionaries+ow...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Wanger
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 6:51 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using A T & T Navigator

Mark,

I too have used AT&T Navigator and only recently dropped it in favor of the
much preferred Navigon. There are a few on screen buttons that are not
accessible. One I found most difficult is a button that you press to cause
the app to repeat the last audio instruction. I only could get that to work
if I turned off voice over and hit the particular spot on the screen. I
found the Navigator app to be very usable but like Navigon better. I'm not
familiar with a podcast but several months ago, perhaps in July or early
August, I posted a pretty detailed review on how to use the Navigator
application.

Good luck.


On Dec 7, 2009, at 7:17 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Matt,
> 
> This is very interesting to me.  You are the first, that I know, to use A
T
> & T Navigator.  
> 
> Any information you can share with us on this would be greatly
appreciated.
> You mentioned that the buttons have to be memorized?  Please explain.  
> 
> Also, does this work for pedestrian routes as well?  
> 
> To Everyone,
> If any of you know of a podcast or a tutorial on this, I would greatly
> Appreciate the link to it.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Roberts [mailto:n9gmr...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 5:30 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Is the IPod Touch just a toy, or what?
> 
> On Dec 7, 2009, at 2:35 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> What do you use to plan and follow routes? 
> 
> I currently use AT&T Navigator and the Maps application built-in the
iPhone.
> AT&T Navigator works well with VoiceOver.  Some of the buttons in the
> program are not labeled, but once you memorize the screen the program is
> usable.  I like the fact you can call in destinations as well as type them
> in the application.
> If you have an address in contacts tha

Re: Using A T & T Navigator

[Larry Wanger]

Mark,

I too have used AT&T Navigator and only recently dropped it in favor of the 
much preferred Navigon. There are a few on screen buttons that are not 
accessible. One I found most difficult is a button that you press to cause the 
app to repeat the last audio instruction. I only could get that to work if I 
turned off voice over and hit the particular spot on the screen. I found the 
Navigator app to be very usable but like Navigon better. I'm not familiar with 
a podcast but several months ago, perhaps in July or early August, I posted a 
pretty detailed review on how to use the Navigator application.

Good luck.


On Dec 7, 2009, at 7:17 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

> Matt,
> 
> This is very interesting to me.  You are the first, that I know, to use A T
> & T Navigator.  
> 
> Any information you can share with us on this would be greatly appreciated.
> You mentioned that the buttons have to be memorized?  Please explain.  
> 
> Also, does this work for pedestrian routes as well?  
> 
> To Everyone,
> If any of you know of a podcast or a tutorial on this, I would greatly
> Appreciate the link to it.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Roberts [mailto:n9gmr...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 5:30 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Is the IPod Touch just a toy, or what?
> 
> On Dec 7, 2009, at 2:35 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
> 
>> What do you use to plan and follow routes? 
> 
> I currently use AT&T Navigator and the Maps application built-in the iPhone.
> AT&T Navigator works well with VoiceOver.  Some of the buttons in the
> program are not labeled, but once you memorize the screen the program is
> usable.  I like the fact you can call in destinations as well as type them
> in the application.
> If you have an address in contacts that can be used if you want to go to a
> particular place.
> 
> Matt Roberts n9gmr...@gmail.com
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Re: Kindle reader for the Mac

[Larry Wanger]

I heard the NFB software would be out the end of this month. Any further word 
on that?

On Nov 18, 2009, at 6:29 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:

> Keep dreaming. The Windows version isn't accessible either. I think our best 
> hope so far for mainstream books in huge quantities is the new eBook reading 
> software from KNFB.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 18, 2009, at 7:46 AM, Howard Dupuis wrote:
> 
>> News of an upcoming Kindle reader for the Mac has me hoping -- like
>> Charlie Brown with the football? -- that Amazon will get this one
>> right. They promised back in March that they'd get the text-to-speech
>> feature working on the Kindle menus, but that has come to nothing. The
>> Kindle app for the iPhone/iPod Touch offered some brief hope, but
>> that, too, was a bust. Now, this news has me wondering if maybe, just
>> maybe, Amazon will remember the blind community and ensure that the
>> upcoming Kindle reader for the Mac works with VoiceOver. (I just wrote
>> to them about this, though I expect to get nothing more than a
>> perfunctory "thanks, we've forwarded your message along to our Kindle
>> team" by way of reply. Still, I persist.)
>> I own a Kindle, and have used it a bit, but it is a terrible pain
>> without being able to access the menus. Missed a sentence? Want to go
>> back a page? Want to re-read that particularly interesting paragraph?
>> Hah! Good luck. You'll likely forget what it was you were after by the
>> time you are able to get somewhere. If the Mac reader works with VO,
>> and if it synchs back to the Kindle ...
>> Yes, you may say I'm a dreamer.
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New iMac

[Larry Wanger]

Hi,

Well, after 4 years with my first iMac I decided to make the jump to  
the new 27 inch iMac. It's really a great machine. I have the 3.02  
processor with 8GB of RAM and both the new wireless blue tooth  
keyboard and mouse. And, while I previously said I'd never do it, I  
installed Windows 7 via Fusion as well. For the most part everything  
is working just fine but for a few small issues.

First, the iMac isn't recognizing DVD movies when I insert a disk in  
to the machine. The DVD appears on the desktop and, Front Row even  
opens. However, when I select DVD the disk spins and nothing happens.  
I then get an error saying it could not be played. I'm able to open  
the DVD in finder and can see all of the files. I'm thinking that  
something is wrong with the file types. Any thought on how I might fix  
this so that Front Row or whatever application of my choosing opens  
the DVD? I assume I fix this in preferences?

Second, this wireless keyboard is tough to use in Windows 7. I thought  
everything was fine but I'm discovering some issues now that I really  
get in to this. Specifically with controlling JAWS. Any tips here or a  
page where I can access a list of commands for navigation and use of  
the number pad since the new keyboard doesn't offer one?

FInally, I'm selling my old iMac. its the 17 inch Power PC iMac G5  
model. Comes with Tiger pre-installed and a Leopard upgrade (OS 10.5),  
iLife 07 as well. $200 plus shipping.


Thanks.
  

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Re: [Mac-cessibility News] FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes

[Larry Wanger]

I don't mind the updates from the Mac site but would rather get the  
full posting rather than just a half paragraph. I know that one reason  
updates come in this way is to encourage people to visit the actual  
site. But, I think its an extra and unnecessary step myself.



On Sep 4, 2009, at 7:56 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:

>
> Hello;  I get a lot of email daily from the several lists I'm
> subscribed to.  I don't personally have a problem with the news
> updates as long as they are really news.  I think the more important
> question with this one is does this mean they have or plan to fix the
> regular facebook so mac users can start enjoying it again?  I
> understand the iphone is the current wave and all, but I hope that
> doesn't mean the people at facebook have forgotten about how
> unaccessible their site is with a mac.  Let me know if you have heard
> or experienced anything different regarding this issue.  Thanks, Max
> On Sep 4, 2009, at 6:03 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I don't mean to come over as unsupportive Josh, because I'm 110%
>> behind what you do with lioncourt and maccessibility, to the point
>> where soon after Christmas when my schedule will have changed
>> significantly I'd love to start contributing myself or at least  
>> figure
>> out some way of supporting more actively.
>>
>> Having said all that, that wasn't the reply I expected James and Ben
>> would get man.  The kind chap who offers me very competitive deals on
>> Viagra usually slightly less than once per day isn't of dissimilar
>> mind when it comes to the actual principal here.  It doesn't say
>> anywhere to my knowledge that this list doubles up as a kind of
>> newswire, so perhaps this would be a good point to have one of Cara's
>> polls... she loves 'em!  If it turns out that myself James and Ben  
>> are
>> grouchy old men so be it, but if not then perhaps you could tweak the
>> automation to deliver automatic posts to the most relevant list?  My
>> personal gripe here is that even when I don't pass over one of these
>> automated posts, I only get a snippet of the story.  As long as the
>> subject lines are well thought out, which so far they always have
>> been, I'll know whether I want to read a news story or not - having  
>> to
>> load the extra page seems superfluous.
>>
>> Again, no treading on toes intended, I just think they have a point
>> where the principal is concerned here and wanted to add a bit of
>> weight.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On 9/4/09, Josh de Lioncourt  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> iPhone discussion has always been welcome here. :) The other list is
>>> more strictly focused on the iPhone, but we would have to also ban
>>> iPod, Airport Express/Extreme, and all sorts of other things from
>>> this
>>> list if we banned iPhone discussion. After all, the iPhone is used  
>>> in
>>> conjunction with your computer, one of those computer types is the
>>> Mac.
>>>
>>> Cara and I discussed posting the news updates to this list. They  
>>> have
>>> pretty much always been posted by someone, usually me, manually.
>>> We've
>>> automated the process to give ourselves a little less work. Since  
>>> the
>>> updates average less than a message a day, we feel they are of use  
>>> to
>>> more people than to whom they are an irritation.
>>>
>>> You can also filter those messages, if you wish, using your mail
>>> client's message rules.
>>>
>>> On Sep 4, 2009, at 12:02 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote:
>>>

 Why am I getting these? When the 3gs first came out, I seem to
 remember that Cara was quite adamant that discussion of it on the  
 mv
 list was off topic so she created a new list for it. Surely, things
 like this would fit in better on the other list?

 Sorry if I spelt your name wrong btw Cara.

 On 04/09/2009, Maccessibility  wrote:
>
> FaceBook iPhone Application Updated With Accessibility Fixes
>
> The FaceBook.com iPhone application has been updated to version
> 3.02. The
> update focuses on VoiceOver compatibility, and accessibility  
> fixes.
> The
> rapidity
> with which the developer has addressed the accessibility issues is
> extraordinary, and we applaud FaceBook for this response.
> The application is exceptionally usable now, with only a couple of
> unlabeled
> controls which can be quickly [...]
>
> You can read the rest of this news item at:
> http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/09/04/facebook-iphone-application-updated-with-accessibility-fixes/
>
> The Mac-cessibility Network
> "...it's all within our reach..."
> http://maccessibility.net
>
>
>>
>


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>
>>>
>>>

>>>
>>
>>>
>
>
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RE: Apple expected to offer iPhone on new U.S. carriers within a year

[Larry Wanger]

Scott,

 

This is an interesting read, especially the bits on TV shows. I was reading
something on Sunday where a Microsoft Executive was warning the television
industry that Apple could do to it what it's done to music. Apparently the
fact that they made it easy for consumers to purchase what they wanted,
albums or song by song and in an extremely easy way has been a problem for
the record companies. And that we don't go down to the record store and
purchase albums. You can bet the cable companies are going to line up and
fight this. I think this will be different than how music went because,
while you had a few big chains of record stores that lost out because we
don't purchase CDs along with a lot of mom and pop shops, with TV shows
you've got billion dollar corporations that stand in the way as
distributors. You can bet that these guys (Comcast, Cox, Time Warner) and
others aren't going to just let this happen. Could be entertaining to watch
how new technology and product distribution methods battle with dinosaur
cable and satellite companies.

 

 

  _  

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 1:01 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Fwd: Apple expected to offer iPhone on new U.S. carriers within a
year

 

Folks, I know there has been a lot of excitement

 about SL, but I wanted to share this article, which updates some other
areas Apple is working on.  One of these is about the iPhone and even the
future of the Apple TV perhaps.

Check it out, there are some interesting bits in here.Begin forwarded
message:





Date: August 31, 2009 9:00:00 AM EDT

Subject: Apple expected to offer iPhone on new U.S. carriers within a year

Source: AppleInsider





Apple's worldwide single-carrier exclusivity model for each nation is seen
as fleeting, as a new report suggests the iPhone could be available for
carriers other than AT&T in the U.S. within a year.

 
 

Read more
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Re: Bugs in Snow Leopard?

[Larry Wanger]

Figured out the second issue but the issue with the screen contrast is  
strange. This having to turn off VO to change the contrast is new in  
Snow Leopard and not a welcome change if I must say. I hope this is  
corrected in the future. Some of us have enough vision to see where we  
are on a page with the VO curser but want to have VO do the reading.  
Having to turn off VO to make this change means that we've got to turn  
it on again and, most likely, we've got to start navigating from the  
top of the page again. Not fun.


On Aug 30, 2009, at 6:02 PM, Justin Harford wrote:

>
> Hey there
>
> I just made the screen go white on black.  Turn off vo, press the cmd
> vo 8, and turn vo back on.
>
> I can't help you with the second one.
>
> Justin
> El Aug 30, 2009, a las 3:42 PM, Larry Wanger escribió:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've noticed that you can't change the screen contrast from black on
>> white to white on black or, to inverted color scheme. You should be
>> able to hit control, option and command with the number 8 and have it
>> switch. And, in the VO utility it clearly says this as well. However,
>> it won't work on either my Macbook or my wife's Macbook. Anyone else
>> experience this?
>>
>> Also, after upgrading to Snow Leopard the two Macbooks in our house
>> can connect to the network but can't get Internet access. However,  
>> the
>> older iMac running OSX 5 and the PC can get to the Internet. Any
>> thoughts here?
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
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Re: Boxee?

[Larry Wanger]

Nope, won't work with VO at all.

On Aug 29, 2009, at 1:30 AM, hank smith wrote:

> is it vo friendy?s
> - Original Message -----
> From: Larry Wanger
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:30 AM
> Subject: Re: Boxee?
>
> Its an entertainment oriented app. Ultimately, you'd hook your  
> computer to your TV. You can access Netflix, Hulu, and all sorts of  
> other online video and audio services in addition to media on your  
> own network. It has bit torrent built in and all sorts of other  
> features. It also allows you to share what you're watching or  
> listening to and you can see what others are checking out as well. A  
> great social networking aspect. It looks very cool.
>
>
> On Aug 28, 2009, at 12:09 AM, hank smith wrote:
>
>> what does this thing do?
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Larry Wanger
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:53 PM
>> Subject: Boxee?
>>
>> Is anyone successfully able to use VO with Boxee? I’m considering  
>> downloading and investigating it but thought I’d ask.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Bugs in Snow Leopard?

[Larry Wanger]

Hi,

I've noticed that you can't change the screen contrast from black on  
white to white on black or, to inverted color scheme. You should be  
able to hit control, option and command with the number 8 and have it  
switch. And, in the VO utility it clearly says this as well. However,  
it won't work on either my Macbook or my wife's Macbook. Anyone else  
experience this?

Also, after upgrading to Snow Leopard the two Macbooks in our house  
can connect to the network but can't get Internet access. However, the  
older iMac running OSX 5 and the PC can get to the Internet. Any  
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Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver

[Larry Wanger]

Great review. I was going to wait and get SL later as I didn't seee it  
as a must have but after reading this I can't wait to get my hands on  
it. My Macbook Pro is from May of 2007 and I suspect it does not allow  
for the track pad navigation but the other improvements sound  
terrific. My poor iMac G5 is a power PC model that is 4 years old now.  
Its being left in the dust, can't even upgrade it.  Too bad.


On Aug 28, 2009, at 7:19 AM, Maccessibility wrote:

>
> Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver
>
> We're pleased to bring you our review of Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard  
> with
> VoiceOver, where Josh de Lioncourt takes a look at the latest  
> iteration of
> Apple's Macintosh operating system from a VoiceOver users perspective.
> As always, enjoy, and feel free to comment with your own thoughts on  
> Snow
> Leopard.
>
> You can read the rest of this news item at:
> http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/08/28/review-mac-os-x-10-6-snow-leopard-with-voiceover/
>
> The Mac-cessibility Network
> "...it's all within our reach..."
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Re: Boxee?

[Larry Wanger]

Its an entertainment oriented app. Ultimately, you'd hook your  
computer to your TV. You can access Netflix, Hulu, and all sorts of  
other online video and audio services in addition to media on your own  
network. It has bit torrent built in and all sorts of other features.  
It also allows you to share what you're watching or listening to and  
you can see what others are checking out as well. A great social  
networking aspect. It looks very cool.


On Aug 28, 2009, at 12:09 AM, hank smith wrote:

> what does this thing do?
> - Original Message -----
> From: Larry Wanger
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:53 PM
> Subject: Boxee?
>
> Is anyone successfully able to use VO with Boxee? I’m considering  
> downloading and investigating it but thought I’d ask.
>
>
>
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Boxee?

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Is anyone successfully able to use VO with Boxee? I'm considering
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RE: Mac Box Set

[Larry Wanger]

How about Numbers and Pages? Those are the real apps I'd use.



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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:18 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac Box Set


Hi,

I've used Pages just a bit. It seems to be mostly accessible, though a  
few controls don't speak. I could select Blank Document from the list  
of templates, and  the items on the menu speak. I haven't tried to do  
anything complicated, though. Commands like moving to the next bold  
text don't work, but I've heard that's supposed to be better in Snow  
Leopard.

Best,
Anna





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Mac Box Set

[Larry Wanger]

Hi,

I noticed that you can purchase a package that gives you Snow Leopard along
with Ilife 09 and iWork 09 as well. I'm wondering about the accessibility of
pages and the other apps that are part of the iWork suite. I've heard
terrific things about these programs and would love to use them but, before
I shell out the money I'd like to find out if VO works with them.

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Mobile Me again

[Larry Wanger]

Hi,

 

I've almost completed the steps to replace Mobile Me services but have one
question. One thing I like that Mobile Me does is that it cyncs bookmarks
both on my Macs and on my iPhone. Does anyone know of a service or process
that will enable me to do this without Mobile Me? I've moved to Gmail and
have imap services through Google and have subscribed to a much lower cost
off-site backup service and the last thing I need to figure out is syncing
bookmarks. Any help is much appreciated.

 

 

 

 


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RE: FW: ports, firewalls and questions

[Larry Wanger]

Right, that's the set up. Sorry if its not quite list appropriate. I'm not
sure what I need to do to make this all work on my Mac thus the post to this
list.



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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ben mustill-rose
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 3:36 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: FW: ports, firewalls and questions


This isn't really a mac issue, its got more to do with the things that
connect your computers to the internet.
To confirm, your setup looks like:
modem
airport express
computers?

On 10/08/2009, Larry Wanger  wrote:
>
> Let me try this again.
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Yesterday I found myself trying to get a couple of
> services/applications working on my Mac that require me to allow access to
> ports and seemingly complex setup options. I first was trying to set up an
> application called Ootunes that enables you to stream your iTunes library
> from computers or web enabled devices away from your home computer. I plan
> on streaming it to my iPhone but the problem is with setting everything up
> on my Mac. In this case, Ootunes has a test program you can run that
checks
> if you can access your network computer from outside. The test failed
saying
> it could not access port 1972 and because my firewall blocked access.
>
> In the second situation I was trying to set up off-site backup through
Mozy.
> The instructions said I needed to forward a port but I am unsure of how to
> do this as well.
>
> I'm thinking that in the first, if not both cases, the fact that I have
the
> firewall in the OS plus the firewall on my wireless Apple Airport Express
> running in addition to being behind the actual modem is causing problems.
I
> went in to security and allowed access for all applications but it still
> would not pass the testing for Ootunes.
>
> Does anyone have experience with this and would they be able to offer some
> help either via email or off list?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>


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Ootunes working

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Thanks for the tips on port forwarding. I was able to get Ootunes up  
and running and streaming all of my iTunes library to my iPhone. What  
a cool bit of software. Very neat.


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Re: ports, firewalls and questions

[Larry Wanger]

Hi,

Just tried my ip address in the browser and got something about apache  
or something. I'm going to the airport utility now. I remember seeing  
something about port forwarding there but can'tt remember. Its been a  
while.

On Aug 10, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote:

>
> A lot of routers are usually accessed via the web browser by going to
> an ip address, but couldn't Larry access the AE by opening up airport
> utility rather than going into the  browser?  I don't think any of the
> airport routers have a web interface of any kind, like that of a
> linksys, netgear router, or any other brand.
> On Aug 10, 2009, at 6:37 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:
>
>>
>> Larry,
>>
>> I can't be sure, but it sounds to me like you need to go into the
>> settings
>> of Airport Express and forward a port.  You will access it through
>> your
>> browser with an IP address that you will have to read the
>> documentation to
>> find.  I can't tell you what it is because I don't use it.  I very
>> much
>> doubt that the problem is in the OS10 fire wall, but if you want to
>> be sure
>> you can turn it off until you get this squared away.  As long as you
>> are
>> behind the Airport express, you are protected by nat..
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Larry Wanger" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 4:34 PM
>> Subject: FW: ports, firewalls and questions
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Let me try this again.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Yesterday I found myself trying to get a couple of
>>> services/applications working on my Mac that require me to allow
>>> access to
>>> ports and seemingly complex setup options. I first was trying to
>>> set up an
>>> application called Ootunes that enables you to stream your iTunes
>>> library
>>> from computers or web enabled devices away from your home computer.
>>> I plan
>>> on streaming it to my iPhone but the problem is with setting
>>> everything up
>>> on my Mac. In this case, Ootunes has a test program you can run that
>>> checks
>>> if you can access your network computer from outside. The test  
>>> failed
>>> saying
>>> it could not access port 1972 and because my firewall blocked  
>>> access.
>>>
>>> In the second situation I was trying to set up off-site backup
>>> through
>>> Mozy.
>>> The instructions said I needed to forward a port but I am unsure of
>>> how to
>>> do this as well.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking that in the first, if not both cases, the fact that I
>>> have
>>> the
>>> firewall in the OS plus the firewall on my wireless Apple Airport
>>> Express
>>> running in addition to being behind the actual modem is causing
>>> problems.
>>> I
>>> went in to security and allowed access for all applications but it
>>> still
>>> would not pass the testing for Ootunes.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have experience with this and would they be able to
>>> offer some
>>> help either via email or off list?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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FW: ports, firewalls and questions

[Larry Wanger]

Let me try this again.


Hi,

Yesterday I found myself trying to get a couple of
services/applications working on my Mac that require me to allow access to
ports and seemingly complex setup options. I first was trying to set up an
application called Ootunes that enables you to stream your iTunes library
from computers or web enabled devices away from your home computer. I plan
on streaming it to my iPhone but the problem is with setting everything up
on my Mac. In this case, Ootunes has a test program you can run that checks
if you can access your network computer from outside. The test failed saying
it could not access port 1972 and because my firewall blocked access. 

In the second situation I was trying to set up off-site backup through Mozy.
The instructions said I needed to forward a port but I am unsure of how to
do this as well.

I'm thinking that in the first, if not both cases, the fact that I have the
firewall in the OS plus the firewall on my wireless Apple Airport Express
running in addition to being behind the actual modem is causing problems. I
went in to security and allowed access for all applications but it still
would not pass the testing for Ootunes.

Does anyone have experience with this and would they be able to offer some
help either via email or off list? 

Thanks.
 





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ports, firewalls and questions

[Larry Wanger]

Hi,

Yesterday I sunnenly found myself trying to get a couple of
services/applications working on my Mac that require me to allow access to
ports and seemingly complex setup options. I first was trying to set up an
application called ootunes that enables you to stream your iTunes library
from computers or web enabled devices away from your home computer. I plan
on streaming it to my iPhone but the problem is with setting everything up
on my Mac. In this case, Ootunes has a test program you can run that checks
if you can access your network computer from outside. The test failed saying
it could not access port 1972 and because my firewall blocked access. 

In the second situation I was trying to set up off-site backup through Mozy.
The instructions said I needed to forward a port but I am unsure of how to
do this as well.

I'm thinking that in the first, if not both cases, the fact that I have the
firewall in the OS plus the firewall on my wireless Apple Airport Express
running in addition to being behind the actual modem is causing problems.

Does anyone have experience with this and would they be able to offer some
help either via email or off list?

Thanks.
 


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Alternatives to Mobile me

[Larry Wanger]

Hi,

With the discussion last week of Mobile Me I realized that my subscription
is about up and that soon I will need to pay for the family plan I have once
again. I'm really not interested in doing that as I feel the service is
priced a bit high and I am looking for some alternatives. The main things I
see as benefits to the service are syncing contacts and email account
information across the 2 macs I have and my iPhone, syncing calendars and
the web storage I could but don't often use well. 

I have found some alternatives in that I can sync calendar and contacts via
Google. Further, I can use Gmail as an iMap service and therefore the Mobile
Me email service just isn't needed. If I want to, I could use another
service such as Carbonite for data storage and backup as well I think. So,
with that in mind, are there any other compelling reasons to stay with
Mobile Me that I'm overlooking? Have others dropped the service and or just
found better options?




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RE: Article Slamming the iPhone

[Larry Wanger]

I've been trying to get my head around an idea of creating a screen cover
with markings or even Braille on it for the keyboard. The problem though for
starters is that the keyboard changes and is contextual. In some text
fields, where you're entering email addresses for example, the keyboard adds
the period, @ sign and even a .com button. In other cases those symbols are
not present on the main keyboard and you need to hit the more button to
access these functions. Therefore, I think creating an overlay would be
challenging but its something I've thought of.

 

 

 

  _  

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mann
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:45 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone

 

With the Iphone, can bumps be put on the spots where the F and J keys are
supposed to be?  If not, I could see why it would take some people a little
too long to find the virtual home row.  If somebody can't find the home row,
it will probably be a struggle to type each key.

 

 

 

On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote:





 

What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so inefficient is:
How efficient were you three weeks after the first time you ever touched a
QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for human interface interaction.
After three weeks, I have no problems just touching the battery status, or
really much of anything else. Things are not hard to find. They do not move
around, and the flick method of navigation is great when you are having
trouble with a brand-new and unfamiliar screen.

 

Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, inefficient,
and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever growing number of VI
iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it takes time to be comfortable.
Once you are, it's fantastic. :)


Josh de Lioncourt

.my other mail provider is an owl.

 

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RE: Article Slamming the iPhone

[Larry Wanger]

For me it's a couple of things. The phone and how you do things is just more
intuitive. It just makes sense. Its hard to explain this until you try it.
Second, it's the apps. Apple warned us that we may not have ready access to
significant numbers of apps because the accessibility standards were new.
But, I think I speak for many people when I say that I've been blown away at
what does work. With just a few finger flicks I can check out reviews and
info on the latest movies, get the weather, find a new place to dine, read
the news, check my email, maybe listen to some tunes, and manage my calendar
and an endless list of things. I'm sorry, surfing the web was terrible on my
Blackjack. I had to turn a wheel, click buttons and all sorts of things and
even still did not have the easy navigation on the net like I do on the
iPhone. The tight integration with the Mac is great too. Bottom line, its
comfortable, easy to use and there are apps out there that enable me to
access almost anything.

 

 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Damon Fibraio
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:22 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Article Slamming the iPhone

 

OK. I understand what you are saying. But is there anything about the
I-phone beyond that? I mean, featurewise or functionality. I am replying to
somebody who said they get more from the i-phone than they get from their
windows mobile phone and I am curious to know why. What is different? I
mean, I have been on the net with my blackjack 2. Why is the i-phone better
and easier? What else does the i-phone do besides make calls and get on the
net, for example? This goes beyond the fact that voice over is built in and
it saves money. I got that part. I just hear that people are finding this
more powerful than a windows smart phone and I am curious to know how.

 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 3:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone

 

Well let me put it into perspective from my point of view. When it comes
right down to it, cost, cost, and cost. All the adaptive solutions you
mention cost lots of money. I'm by no means unable to afford the adaptive
solutions, but I also realize that the adaptive market is small and the cost
will be considerably more do to the limited market. However, why should I
pay oh, maybe $150 for the phone, $300  or so for the screen reader, and
then another $895 for the GPS solution. So, now I have invested $1,345 into
a phone that will get me around and generally offer me fairly accessible
benefits to some apps. Where now with the iPhone I can spend $199 or $299
and get great access to pretty much anything I need, tight integration with
my Mac without needing a third-party app that I would likely have to pay
for, and a future of other capabilities that will not cost me nearly as
much. So, really in my opinion I'd rather spend the money on other things
and really to be honest, it always will come down to what works for you and
fits within your budget. If you are happy with the setup you have, then that
is great and I am pleased for you. However, the other thing here is choice
and that is probably a close second in my book. Having choice is great and
yes, it is also great that I can just go to the Apple store and buy the
phone if I choose to do so and be up and running right away. I don't have to
unregister and reregister a phone etc. Now of course don't take my message
as picking on you or any of the developers of the software, I'm merely
answering your question with my opinion. Again , hey what works for you is
all that matters in the end and you are happy with your choice because you
are the one using it, not me. :)

On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Damon Fibraio wrote:

 

OK, consider me a newbie. I have a Samsung blackjack 2 windows mobile smart
phone with mobile speak and was planning on purchasing mobile geo. I keep
hearing everybody going absolutely  crazy over access to the I-phone. Can
somebody tell me why this is so great? I don't really understand the hype. I
do understand we get access right out of the box with voice over. I do
understand that once you get used to the touch screen and the VO gestures
and whatnot that this is really great access, according to what everybody is
saying. But, why is the I-phone so great? Does it do GPS comparable to
mobile Geo or wayfinder? What does this phone do that is making everybody
turn inside out? I'd love to understand this, so any help you can provide
would be great. I 

RE: Article Slamming the iPhone

[Larry Wanger]

Who cares if we win them over. We talk with our pocket books and, if enough
of us stop paying thousands for their products and hundreds more each year
in SMA agreements it will get their attention. It's like any other product
and the markets they compete in. 

 

 

  _  

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:01 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone

 

You know I truly am not into slamming people, but in Mr. Mosen's case, I
have heard his previous show/podcast and just based on observations from
that and things he has said/written, I seriously doubt he would sit down
with you or an iPhone and certainly not to be objective about his findings.
I think he would be quite argumentative and take a hardline on his position
regardless of whether he is proven right or wrong. In other words, you'd
accomplish nothing more than wasting your time and giving yourself a
headache. I'll not name names or so forth, but a conversation I had with a
particular adaptive technology developer ran along the lines of me
expressing my enthusiasm about the Mac and VO and how it was nice to see
their product could be used under a VM. Of course that met with a very much
"I don't care" attitude. I think I was looked upon as being at the very
least miledly daft and why in hell would you want to use a stupid Mac when
you have a great solution and a good os at your disposal. :) So, the market
being what it is, I don't think you'll ever win him or most of these folks
over. I guess I sort of understand considering that Apple is truly a
competitor now and any competition is a threat.

On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:17 PM, Larry Wanger wrote:





Josh,

 

I may complain about the keyboard but overall this phone is great. I am more
productive with this phone and able to do so much more than I could with my
Samsung Blackjack II, even with its quarty keyboard. And, I had terrible
luck finding applications for that phone that were accessible. I have pages
of apps on my iPhone that I use all the time.

 

What frustrates me about Jonathan's article/email is that he wrote this
before ever touching the iPhone and his position is quite clear about how he
feels. And, like it or not, he's a "leader" if you want to call him that, in
the access technology world. I don't mean leader in the traditional sense; I
mean it in that he's a vice president at one of the largest blindness
technology providers in the world and with that role comes some
responsibility. Responsibility to not jump to conclusions and to speak
rashly about products from competitors lest you take the appearance of being
self promoting and carrying the company line. I'd love the opportunity to
set down with Mr. Mosen and to show him just how productive I am on my
iPhone. No, it doesn't run the KNFB reader and it doesn't have an advanced
camera like some other phones in the world but it works a hell of a lot
better than Mosen makes it sound in this article. I wonder if he would be
willing to sit down and write out his observations after the iPhone has been
in the marketplace for almost a month now. But, I bet he's never even held
one in his hand so, as with his initial observations, any response he might
give now would be baseless.

 

 

  _  

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh de Lioncourt
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:19 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone

 

 

What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so inefficient is:
How efficient were you three weeks after the first time you ever touched a
QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for human interface interaction.
After three weeks, I have no problems just touching the battery status, or
really much of anything else. Things are not hard to find. They do not move
around, and the flick method of navigation is great when you are having
trouble with a brand-new and unfamiliar screen.

 

Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, inefficient,
and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever growing number of VI
iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it takes time to be comfortable.
Once you are, it's fantastic. :)


Josh de Lioncourt

.my other mail provider is an owl.

 

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Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com

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GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt

 

 











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RE: Article Slamming the iPhone

[Larry Wanger]

I don't think anyone is afraid of criticism, just criticism written by those
who have not used the product for any length of time and therefore are
writing reviews and the like without practical experience. If you're going
to level criticism you'd better have the knowledge and experience to back up
your claims.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Dietz
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:54 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone


I think that anyone reading the article would know themselves that it
was written before the release of the iPhone; if I remember correctly
he stated so (correct me if I'm wrong - I'll look at it when I get
home).  Anyone can speculate. A lot of the initial hype regarding the
iPhone was almost deliriously positive. I don't even think his
assessment was so blaringly negative as lots seem to think it was -
just some thoughts on challenges one might face.  For all the flack
organizations like the NFB get for writing articles which criticize
voiceover, I don't think it's fair to say Mosen was "slamming" the
iPhone or that all of the points NFB made were invalid.  I think we'd
be taken a little more seriously if we could accept criticism.  I'm
definitely not saying that the iPhone is crap or anything close - I
actually think I'd be able to type more effectively on it than my
current phone as once I jab one of the tiny little keyboard buttons
the letter has been typed (and it's often th ewrong one since buttons
are hard to locate).  I'm just saying that some of the functionality
is tied to the viusal interface, making it a little more cumbersome to
access.  From what Shane said on the podcast, the battery icon was a
very small icon which makes it difficult to touch with the tip of
one's finger. He often had lots of trouble locating icons himself - I
remember he spent at least a minute lookking for the address bar in
safari.  Of course he just received his iPhone, but in a pinch buttons
which are tied to specific actions when pressed and are (for the most
part) guaranteed to perform such an action once pressed are easier to
remember for most since that's what they are used to. Easier to locate
too, as they feel physically different to the fingertips.  The iPhone
isn't necessarily right for everyone.

On 7/13/09, John Panarese  wrote:
>
>  I assume one could search for it now.  It's been a while and
> since I viewed it as trash, I didn't keep the url or bother
> downloading the actual article.
>
>
> Take Care
>
> John Panarese
>
> On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:03 PM, patrickneazer wrote:
>
>> Hello John and all:
>>
>> I know this has been asked so please forgive me.
>>
>> Where can this article be obtained? I have not seen it yet though it
>> seems to have captured people's attention ... LOL
>> On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:51 PM, John Panarese wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I know a few folks have said this, but you have to consider the
>>> special interests of the article's author.  A quick attempt to try to
>>> take some of the excitement and buzz of the iPhone out of the
>>> picture.  Yes, as Scott and others have said, the logic can be turned
>>> on just about every innovation and step forward the blind have had to
>>> deal with as technology as progressed.  Once again, Apple has done
>>> what was said to be the impossible, and has improved the options and
>>> capabilities for all blind people, and grudging credit is given at
>>> best.  It's actually quite sad.  When VoiceOver first came out and I
>>> heard a respected AFB person try to explain to me that a free screen
>>> reader on the Mac was "bad" for the blind, I knew then that there
>>> were
>>> going to be some people who would rather put politics and special
>>> interests ahead of advancement for blind users.
>>>
>>>
>>> Take Care
>>>
>>> John Panarese
>>>
>>> On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>>
 Hey Josh, I think the same question can be asked of those users who
 first laid hands on one of those touch-screen PDAs, but I guess some
 of those or most had keyboards. However, then we can take this same
 logic to any new interface. For example, those who remember the days
 of switching from DOS to Windows or who used the Linux command line
 and then moved to Gnome etc. Ah how the debate rages, but alas this
 to shall pass. I myself can't wait to get an iPhone and I can
 already see all the advantages it will offer over the windows mobile
 device I am using currently and don't much care for.
 On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote:

>
> What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so
> inefficient is: How efficient were you three weeks after the first
> time you ever touched a QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for
> human interface interaction. After three weeks, I have no problems
> just touching the battery s

RE: Article Slamming the iPhone

[Larry Wanger]

Josh,

 

I may complain about the keyboard but overall this phone is great. I am more
productive with this phone and able to do so much more than I could with my
Samsung Blackjack II, even with its quarty keyboard. And, I had terrible
luck finding applications for that phone that were accessible. I have pages
of apps on my iPhone that I use all the time. 

 

What frustrates me about Jonathan's article/email is that he wrote this
before ever touching the iPhone and his position is quite clear about how he
feels. And, like it or not, he's a "leader" if you want to call him that, in
the access technology world. I don't mean leader in the traditional sense; I
mean it in that he's a vice president at one of the largest blindness
technology providers in the world and with that role comes some
responsibility. Responsibility to not jump to conclusions and to speak
rashly about products from competitors lest you take the appearance of being
self promoting and carrying the company line. I'd love the opportunity to
set down with Mr. Mosen and to show him just how productive I am on my
iPhone. No, it doesn't run the KNFB reader and it doesn't have an advanced
camera like some other phones in the world but it works a hell of a lot
better than Mosen makes it sound in this article. I wonder if he would be
willing to sit down and write out his observations after the iPhone has been
in the marketplace for almost a month now. But, I bet he's never even held
one in his hand so, as with his initial observations, any response he might
give now would be baseless.

 

 

  _  

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh de Lioncourt
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:19 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Article Slamming the iPhone

 

 

What I'd like to ask all these folks saying the iPhone is so inefficient is:
How efficient were you three weeks after the first time you ever touched a
QWERTY keyboard? It's a whole new model for human interface interaction.
After three weeks, I have no problems just touching the battery status, or
really much of anything else. Things are not hard to find. They do not move
around, and the flick method of navigation is great when you are having
trouble with a brand-new and unfamiliar screen.

 

Sitting with an iPhone for an hour and then declaring it slow, inefficient,
and difficult to navigate is just silly. :) The ever growing number of VI
iPhone users will tell you the same. Sure, it takes time to be comfortable.
Once you are, it's fantastic. :)


Josh de Lioncourt

.my other mail provider is an owl.

 

Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt

Music: http://stage19music.com

Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com

Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com

GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt

 





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Re: Article Slamming the iPhone

[Larry Wanger]

This comes up when you do a search for Mosen and iPhone on Google.  
Written before the iPhone with VO came to market I might add.

- Original Message -
From: "Jonathan Mosen" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 11:15 PM
Subject: iPhone, a Reality Check


 > There's been some pretty lively discussion on Twitter since the
 > announcement
 > of the new iPhone, which some are calling accessible. As 140  
characters
 > can
 > be quite limiting, I thought I would make some extended comment  
through
 > this
 > list.
 >
 > There seems to be a great deal of excitement over the fact that  
Apple have
 > put a screen reader into the iPhone. For no extra cost, someone can  
go to
 > AT&T in the US, or your iPhone carrier in other countries, pick up an
 > iPhone, and get speech without installing any additional software.  
It can
 > be
 > made to talk by enabling the feature from the PC, so no sighted  
assistance
 > is required. At face value, the principle is an enticing one,  
although the
 > concept is not entirely new. Phones such as some of the LG range have
 > offered an out of box experience that has varied in its degree of
 > accessibility for some time. There is also the question of how  
easily we
 > as
 > blind people can influence product enhancements. But hats off to  
Apple for
 > getting this done for sure.
 >
 > Just because we're blind, doesn't mean we're immune to the latest  
trend
 > and
 > marketing hype. Sighted iPhone devotees love the look of the  
iPhone, and
 > its
 > touch screen. So there are blind people who want an iPhone because  
it's
 > trendy. There's nothing inherently wrong with this either. If we  
want to
 > be
 > part of the latest big thing, it is wrong for consumers that happen  
to be
 > blind to be locked out. It is worth baring in mind though that  
Nokia still
 > well outsells all of its competitors put together in the global  
market.
 >
 > We all use our phones for different purposes, and perhaps it is  
true that
 > because screen readers have only run on smartphones, some of us are  
using
 > smartphones when we otherwise wouldn't be. A smartphone is all about
 > productivity. Getting information in and out of the device with  
ease is
 > critical.
 >
 > There are comments in the Apple documentation, found at
 > http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html that intrigue  
me
 > with
 > respect to reviewing what is on the screen. They say in part:
 >
 > What makes VoiceOver on iPhone truly remarkable is that you control  
it
 > using
 > simple gestures that let you physically interact with items on  
screen.
 > It's
 > easy to learn and fun to use. Instead of memorizing hundreds of  
keyboard
 > commands, or endlessly pressing tiny arrow keys to find what you're
 > looking
 > for, with VoiceOver, you simply touch the screen to hear a  
description of
 > the item under your finger, then gesture with a double-tap, drag,  
or flick
 > to control the phone.
 >
 > VoiceOver delivers an experience unlike any screen reader you've  
ever used
 > before. Traditional screen readers describe individual elements on  
the
 > screen, but struggle to communicate where each element is located or
 > provide
 > information about adjoining objects. This contextual information is  
very
 > important but typically filtered out by other screen readers. For  
example,
 > "off-screen" models used by traditional screen readers to represent
 > applications and web pages intentionally strip away contextual  
information
 > and describe web pages as a list or menu of items. But with  
VoiceOver on
 > iPhone 3G S, you'll experience something entirely new.
 >
 >
 >
 > So say the people at Apple. It seems they are indulging in some  
serious
 > hyperbole here. As a Talks and Mobile Speak user who uses a lot of  
the
 > screen readers' functionality, it is simply not the case that there  
are
 > hundreds of commands to remember. Further, are arrow keys and a  
keyboard
 > or
 > number pad really so bad? It would appear to me to be an optimal  
interface
 > for a blind person to use.
 >
 >
 >
 > But the really interesting philosophical point for me relates to  
their
 > comment about knowing where information appears on the screen.  
Apple says
 > this is important. But this begs the question, who says that where
 > information appears on the screen of a phone is important? Not  
many, if
 > any,
 > blind people. We're not talking about formatting complex documents  
here.
 > We
 > want to get at our information, whether that be reading a message or
 > checking our battery status, efficiently. I've used accessible  
phones for
 > six years now. Never once has it even occurred to me to wonder  
where the
 > power and battery status appears on the screen of my phone. Why  
should it?
 > Irrespective of where it appears, I want a foolproof, 100%  
guaranteed way
 > of
 > hearing that information without fuss. The description on the Apple  
site
 > simply seeks to turn what is a negative fo

Re: Article Slamming the iPhone

[Larry Wanger]

Yes, I read it. What do you expectt from leadership of companies being  
turned on their ear by the Apple accessibility model? Its a growing  
problem for them. Too bad!

On Jul 12, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote:

>
> Did anyone read the article forwarded by Jonathan Mosen on various
> lists, which slammed the iPhone?  I got it from a friend of mine and I
> told her that, if she had any prejudices against the iPhone, to talk
> to people who has the iPhone and can speak from firsthand
> experiences.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.  PS  I plan to
> purchase my iPhone in August.
>
> >


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Re: is this program iphone friendly? Fw: The Orbitcast Daily Update

[Larry Wanger]

Yes, the app is VO friendly on the iPhone but speech tends to crack-up  
at times. One hint is to hit the pause button in the upper left corner  
of the app to stop the current station if you wish to change to  
another one. From a pure performance perspective, I listened to this  
on the train here in Phoenix the other day where in general we have 5  
bars the entire way. The app seems to have some problems. Music  
cracked and skipped a few times. I tried listening to AOL Radio on a  
different day and did not experience this. The point being that AOL  
Radio is free and you pay for XM. Sometimes free is better.


On Jul 6, 2009, at 1:32 PM, hank smith wrote:

>
> - Original Message -
> From: Orbitcast
> To: hanksmi...@gmail.com
> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 12:09 PM
> Subject: The Orbitcast Daily Update
>
> The Orbitcast Daily Update
>
> Sirius XM iPhone App beats 1 million downloads
> Posted: 06 Jul 2009 09:57 AM PDT
>
> Just 2 weeks after its debut, the Sirius XM iPhone App has surpassed  
> more than 1 million downloads. But what continues to amaze me is  
> that the App has remained as the #1 top free music App - having  
> reached that status only 12 hours after its launch.
>
> All this, despite not featuring Howard Stern.
> "Reaching more than 1 million downloads so quickly is a strong  
> testament to our world-class programming and Sirius XM's instant  
> brand recognition," said Sirius XM Radio Inc. President and Chief  
> Content Officer Scott Greenstein. "Our goal is to give people access  
> to the best audio entertainment wherever they go with what we think  
> is the best music and audio entertainment application available on  
> the App Store."
>
> You know what would be a masterful move? To wait until the momentum  
> begins to wane, and then issue an App update which would include  
> additional features and the "contractual rights" issues with Stern  
> would get magically fixed.
>
> ...or maybe to execute the above "updates" in phases, to maintain  
> that momentum over an extended period of time.
>
> 
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Re: Can't log on to Macbook Pro

[Larry Wanger]

Very strange. I changed botth the system admin and my user passwords  
and neither would work. I'm going to now end up creating a new account  
and archiving the old data from the previous account. Yuck! I justt  
don't know what happened here.


On Jul 5, 2009, at 4:21 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

>
> Dan suggested you use the install DVD and under utilities use the
> reset password option. If this does not work for some reason, you can
> create a new account and delete the old one. WHen you delete the old
> account, it will give you the opportunity to save the contents of the
> user account you are deleting. This way you can recover the data. I
> recommend you make a backup of the home folder regardless of what you
> do as an extra safety measure.
> On Jul 5, 2009, at 2:28 PM, Larry Wanger wrote:
>
>>
>> ÎHi,
>>
>> I'm having a problem with logging in to my Macbook Pro and hope
>> someone can offer some help. I'll try to be concise here but this  
>> is a
>> bit of a long story.
>>
>> 1. For some reason when I turned on my Macbook last week it would not
>> boot up. I hear the startup sound and the apple logo appears on  
>> screen
>> but it won't go further.
>> 2. After doing some reading it appeared that the best course of  
>> action
>> was to insert the OSX Leopard disk and re-install the OS but not to
>> delete the existing contents of the drive.
>> 3. I inserted the Mac OSX installation disk, turned off the machine
>> and re-started while holding down the C key.
>> 4. The OSX installation began and I was able to re-install  
>> everything.
>> 5. The machine re-started after the installation and took mee to the
>> usual log-in screen. The screen shows me as the admin user, has my
>> picture and my name and asks for the password for the account. This  
>> is
>> the only account on the machine and I am obviously the admin.
>> 6. I typed in the password that I had before the system had these
>> problems and it would not accept it. I had it reveal the password  
>> hint
>> which is exactly the same as previous. I absolutely do remember the
>> password and have used the same one for almost a year now with no
>> problems. I conclude the account still exists because my user account
>> is still showing at log-in.
>>
>> I've tried a couple of solutions here, the most promising seemed to  
>> be
>> that you could launch the OSX installation disk again and get to a
>> utilities option rather than installing anything. However, I can't
>> locate a utilities button anywhere.
>>
>> Has this happened to anyone and do you have any suggestions about how
>> to deal with this. Unfortunately, I have some but not all of the
>> contents of this drive backed-up and would seriously rather not end  
>> up
>> having to format it.
>>
>> Thanks for any help you can offer.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Can't log on to Macbook Pro

[Larry Wanger]

ÎHi,

I'm having a problem with logging in to my Macbook Pro and hope  
someone can offer some help. I'll try to be concise here but this is a  
bit of a long story.

1. For some reason when I turned on my Macbook last week it would not  
boot up. I hear the startup sound and the apple logo appears on screen  
but it won't go further.
2. After doing some reading it appeared that the best course of action  
was to insert the OSX Leopard disk and re-install the OS but not to  
delete the existing contents of the drive.
3. I inserted the Mac OSX installation disk, turned off the machine  
and re-started while holding down the C key.
4. The OSX installation began and I was able to re-install everything.
5. The machine re-started after the installation and took mee to the  
usual log-in screen. The screen shows me as the admin user, has my  
picture and my name and asks for the password for the account. This is  
the only account on the machine and I am obviously the admin.
6. I typed in the password that I had before the system had these  
problems and it would not accept it. I had it reveal the password hint  
which is exactly the same as previous. I absolutely do remember the  
password and have used the same one for almost a year now with no  
problems. I conclude the account still exists because my user account  
is still showing at log-in.

I've tried a couple of solutions here, the most promising seemed to be  
that you could launch the OSX installation disk again and get to a  
utilities option rather than installing anything. However, I can't  
locate a utilities button anywhere.

Has this happened to anyone and do you have any suggestions about how  
to deal with this. Unfortunately, I have some but not all of the  
contents of this drive backed-up and would seriously rather not end up  
having to format it.

Thanks for any help you can offer.



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Re: Optical character recognition for iPhone

[Larry Wanger]

Developers of hardware have access to the port on the iPhone 3GS I  
believe and therefore isn't it possible that someone could develop an  
extension for the camera that offers a better camera attachment?
On Jun 14, 2009, at 2:39 PM, E.J. Zufelt wrote:

>
> Good evening,
>
> I did give that some thought.  To the best of my knowledge the camera
> on the iPhone is 3 megapixel whereas the camera on the KNFB Reader
> (comparable device) is 5 megapixel.
>
> Thanks,
> Everett
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> On 14-Jun-09, at 4:11 PM, Justin Harford wrote:
>
>>
>> It's extremely doubtful that an application like this would be very
>> useful on the latest iPhone 3gs model since it's camera isn't yet
>> powerful enough.  But perhaps the focus feature could help it make up
>> for its low amount of pixels?
>>
>> Justin Harford
>> On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:05 PM, Larry Wanger wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I went looking for this Raspbery application and can not find it.  
>>> Its
>>> not on the app store and I don't find anything with a Google search.
>>> Do you have a link?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 14, 2009, at 10:16 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> HI,
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> Raspbery Reader is designed for such a purpose.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Alex,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 14-Jun-09, at 6:42 AM, E.J. Zufelt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good morning,
>>>>>
>>>>> Curious if anyone knows if there is currently an OCR app for the
>>>>> iPhone?  If you know of any I'd love to know their names so that I
>>>>> can
>>>>> contact their devlopers regarding making the app accessible with
>>>>> Voiceover as quickly as possible.  With an out of the box
>>>>> accessible
>>>>> phone, with built-in camera and 3rd party accessible OCR software
>>>>> many
>>>>> peoples lives would be greatly improved.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Everett
>>>>>
>>>>> Follow me on Twitter
>>>>> http://twitter.com/ezufelt
>>>>>
>>>>> View my LinkedIn Profile
>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> >


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Re: Optical character recognition for iPhone

[Larry Wanger]

Hi,

I went looking for this Raspbery application and can not find it. Its  
not on the app store and I don't find anything with a Google search.  
Do you have a link?


On Jun 14, 2009, at 10:16 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:

>
> HI,
> All,
>
> Raspbery Reader is designed for such a purpose.
>
> Regards,
> Alex,
>
>
> On 14-Jun-09, at 6:42 AM, E.J. Zufelt wrote:
>
>>
>> Good morning,
>>
>> Curious if anyone knows if there is currently an OCR app for the
>> iPhone?  If you know of any I'd love to know their names so that I  
>> can
>> contact their devlopers regarding making the app accessible with
>> Voiceover as quickly as possible.  With an out of the box accessible
>> phone, with built-in camera and 3rd party accessible OCR software  
>> many
>> peoples lives would be greatly improved.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Everett
>>
>> Follow me on Twitter
>> http://twitter.com/ezufelt
>>
>> View my LinkedIn Profile
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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iTunes keyboard shortcut

[Larry Wanger]

Hi,

I have a very large iTunes library and, ahead of receiving my new 32GB  
iPhone, I'm going through it and deciding what I want to have sync to  
the new phone. I'm essentially trying to go through and uncheck songs  
that I don't want to have sync and then will check the option in  
preferences to only have checked items sync. I'm wondering if there is  
a keyboard shortcut in general or through VO to quickly check or  
uncheck an item. I've figured out how to do this with larger lists  
and, I've noted that I can bring up the menu under individual items  
and select the appropriate action but this is time consuming. Any  
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Re: New IPhone 3GS list regarding accessibility

[Larry Wanger]

Hi,

I think the iPod is different than the iPhone. The iPhone is a much  
more dynamic platform and I think that there could be many messages  
about the iPhone both at the release and then over time. There is  
certainly a group of people on the current list that are only Mac  
users and may not want the bother of all the iPhone related traffic.
On Jun 12, 2009, at 3:26 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote:

>
> Why do we have to have a separate list for every single thing that
> happens regarding voiceover and such like? Are we going to have a
> separate list for Ipod too? It just fragments things and makes it
> impossible to follow things. But if that's what people want, that's
> fine with me. Has there been a request for a separate list for IPhone?
>
> Best wishes
>
> Simon
> On 12 Jun 2009, at 21:47, Cara Quinn wrote:
>
>>
>>  Hello All;
>>
>>  I've just started a list called VIPhone, (Visually Impaired -
>> IPhone) on GoogleGroups to discuss the new Apple IPhone 3GS.
>>
>>  the url is:
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/VIPhone
>>
>>  Please feel free to share this url anywhere you like, to anyone you
>> feel might want to discuss this sort of thing.  The list is both for
>> those of us whom are early-adopters, as well as for anyone whom may
>> have questions / political views etc on the new IPhone.
>>
>>  As far as list etiquette goes, as far as I'm concerned, the list
>> will reflect the character of its members.   -You want flame
>> wars, fine, have them! -Want a friendly, welcoming, well-informed
>> list, then wonderful! You've got that!  You'll have the list you
>> create!
>>
>>
>>
>>  If there's something drastic, and I need to step in as mod, then be
>> assured, I will; other than that, -Be the list you want…
>>
>>  Enjoy and let's explore the IPhone together!…
>>
>> Smiles,
>>
>> Cara  :)
>> ---
>> Follow me on Twitter!
>>
>> https://twitter.com/ModelCara
>>
>> View my Online Portfolio at:
>> http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: voice over comes to the I phone

[Larry Wanger]

I've never heard of such restrictions on the iPhone. Apple had  
restricted GPS functionality on the previous versions of the iPhone  
but those have been lifted. The company that showed their application  
yesterday was TomTom. I suspect this application is geared to drivers  
and not people like you and I who are walking.
On Jun 9, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Brent Harding wrote:

>
> I thought I heard that GPS like we need will never be a possibility  
> with the
> maps program it comes with. I thought Apple is contractually  
> obligated to
> stop short of turn by turn directions and not approve apps that do it.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Larry Wanger" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 7:44 AM
> Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
>
>
>>
>> And, you've made the point. You have more choices and the main  
>> drivers
>> behind your decision aren't what's accessible to you in the phone
>> market, its what phone offers you what you need. And that my friend  
>> is
>> what this is all about. You have another choice.
>>
>> Just as an FYI, you don't need iTunes once you get this set up. You
>> need iTunes to get speech and other accessibility functions working  
>> on
>> the phone for sure. But, after that, all bets are off. I know for a
>> fact that there are 3rd party products out there that can allow you  
>> to
>> sync your iPhone without ever using iTunes. In fact, I use one of
>> those 3rd party products to sync up my Samsung right now. So, iTunes
>> is not required.
>>
>> A BRF/Daisey reader, in due time I suspect. I'm sure that will  
>> happen.
>> Like anything else, a developer just needs to step forward and do it.
>>
>> GPS solution for the blind? Who says that MobileGeo couldn't be
>> written for the OS/phone platform? And, like the Windows based  
>> phones,
>> I'm sure that through blue tooth you could use an independent GPS
>> receiver as most of us do now.
>>
>> It is interesting that they don't mention Braille and I wonder about
>> that feature as well. I don't use it but could see that being of
>> value. So, maybe its in the works.
>>
>> However, nothing you've thrown out here seems impossible and, just
>> like everyone else, you have a choice about what platform and phone
>> you use.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:19 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi guys,  I have to admit, when I read this, the sweat started  
>>> pouring
>>> and the hart started thumping.  It was better than my third cup of
>>> coffee in the morning which I'm still looking forward to with some
>>> anticipation, smiles.  Speaking of which, one sec while I go pour  
>>> the
>>> second one...
>>>
>>> OK, So here's why I won't be tossing my mobile speak pocket  
>>> licence in
>>> the trash any time soon.
>>>
>>> First, I'm a scronnie, crabbie, and none too good-looking blind man.
>>> An IPhone won't get me more girls, put 10 pounds of muscle on me in
>>> exactly the right preportions, or make me a nicer person.  So forget
>>> it for the time being at least.
>>>
>>> So far, we have no braille display support.  I haven't read anything
>>> about a fully featured gps solution for the IPhone which I have to
>>> have, or a brf reader which I don't have to have, but will use on
>>> ocasion.  So it's really exciting to see the support coming along.
>>> I'd love to fly down to the apple store and play with one for half  
>>> an
>>> hour.  But I really use braille on my phone, and I really use a gps
>>> system, and I won't be replacing my current set up until these
>>> features are tested and true.
>>>
>>> So forgetting all the software you don't get, look at what you do
>>> get...  ITunes.  You need ITunes to sync your calendar and
>>> contacts?  ...seriously?  What happened to ISync?  Forget it.  I  
>>> can't
>>> wait to get rid of my IPod, because the software I tried to replace
>>> ITunes for syncing my music doesn't work and I'm sick of the whole
>>> mess.  Why would I want to buy another device that forces me to  
>>> ITunes
>>> to sync my calendar and contacts?  No thank you.  ITunes is getting
>>> the old command option delete as soon as this IPod is gone.  Not  
>>> that
>>> I have anything against the I

Re: voice over comes to the I phone

[Larry Wanger]

Scott,

In a couple of previous messages you've said that the iPhone will be  
on the Verizon network. I'm not sure about the validity of what you  
are saying. Apple and at&t have an exclusive contract. The length of  
this contract isn't really clear and, in light of some things said  
yesterday, I am thinking that Apple might look to make some changes at  
the end of the deal. But, its very well known that these two companies  
have an exclusive deal in the United States.


On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

>
> It does work, will work, and blind people will have no problems using
> the iPhone. I know for fact this is the case and I have gotten
> Confirmation from a source. Point is, like anything, there may be a
> learning curve, but it will work and it will be up to you to determine
> if it fits your needs.
>
>
> >


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Re: voice over comes to the I phone

[Larry Wanger]

To throw some more fuel on this discussion, Apple tends to be a  
company that plans ahead and has a road map in terms of where it is  
going. Wouldn't you think that they knew that over time they  
anticipated adding voice over to the iPhone? And, we know that VO was  
on the Mac for a few years previous to it going to the iPhone. It  
would seem that as they helped developers design applications that  
they have been giving them the tools to make them accessible? So, what  
I'm really saying is that yesterday might not have been the first time  
that developers heard about VO on the iPhone. Or, its possible that  
they've just been developing applications following design  
specifications from Apple that will enable us to have good access to a  
lot of the applications. Not sure, just thinking. I'm thinking that  
games and some of the other very graphical applications won't work for  
us but many are very text rich and that could work. Also, I know there  
is a Kendle application and I wonder if we can get access to those  
books?




On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:03 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:

>
> I might be wrong, but Mac OS X has been around for quite a long time
> now, and it is possible to create Mac compatible apps without using
> the Cocoa framework. This is were I might really be wrong, but from
> what I heard yesterday from the WWDC keynote, and from what I've read,
> developers who make iPhone apps can only use a series of tools
> provided by Apple, with some 1000 API's, to create their software. So
> in such a restricted environment (that is, if I'm still not really
> wrong) shouldn't most apps just work with VO?
>
> Ignasi
> On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:54 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> HI,
>>>
>>> YOU ARE MISSING THE FEATURE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO FIX APPLICATIONS THAT
>>> ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE.
>>
>> ...Which I only saw mention of in the OS X section, not in the iPhone
>> section. Not to say it won't be possible. And this feature likely
>> won't fix apps that simply expose nothing (or very little) to VO in
>> the first place.
>>
>> All that said, my understanding is that iPhone apps, like most modern
>> OS X apps, use a common set of development tools and standard
>> controls. This should mean that most will be at least somewhat
>> accessible from the start. No?
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
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Re: voice over comes to the I phone

[Larry Wanger]

And, you've made the point. You have more choices and the main drivers  
behind your decision aren't what's accessible to you in the phone  
market, its what phone offers you what you need. And that my friend is  
what this is all about. You have another choice.

Just as an FYI, you don't need iTunes once you get this set up. You  
need iTunes to get speech and other accessibility functions working on  
the phone for sure. But, after that, all bets are off. I know for a  
fact that there are 3rd party products out there that can allow you to  
sync your iPhone without ever using iTunes. In fact, I use one of  
those 3rd party products to sync up my Samsung right now. So, iTunes  
is not required.

A BRF/Daisey reader, in due time I suspect. I'm sure that will happen.  
Like anything else, a developer just needs to step forward and do it.

GPS solution for the blind? Who says that MobileGeo couldn't be  
written for the OS/phone platform? And, like the Windows based phones,  
I'm sure that through blue tooth you could use an independent GPS  
receiver as most of us do now.

It is interesting that they don't mention Braille and I wonder about  
that feature as well. I don't use it but could see that being of  
value. So, maybe its in the works.

However, nothing you've thrown out here seems impossible and, just  
like everyone else, you have a choice about what platform and phone  
you use.






On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:19 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

>
> Hi guys,  I have to admit, when I read this, the sweat started pouring
> and the hart started thumping.  It was better than my third cup of
> coffee in the morning which I'm still looking forward to with some
> anticipation, smiles.  Speaking of which, one sec while I go pour the
> second one...
>
> OK, So here's why I won't be tossing my mobile speak pocket licence in
> the trash any time soon.
>
> First, I'm a scronnie, crabbie, and none too good-looking blind man.
> An IPhone won't get me more girls, put 10 pounds of muscle on me in
> exactly the right preportions, or make me a nicer person.  So forget
> it for the time being at least.
>
> So far, we have no braille display support.  I haven't read anything
> about a fully featured gps solution for the IPhone which I have to
> have, or a brf reader which I don't have to have, but will use on
> ocasion.  So it's really exciting to see the support coming along.
> I'd love to fly down to the apple store and play with one for half an
> hour.  But I really use braille on my phone, and I really use a gps
> system, and I won't be replacing my current set up until these
> features are tested and true.
>
> So forgetting all the software you don't get, look at what you do
> get...  ITunes.  You need ITunes to sync your calendar and
> contacts?  ...seriously?  What happened to ISync?  Forget it.  I can't
> wait to get rid of my IPod, because the software I tried to replace
> ITunes for syncing my music doesn't work and I'm sick of the whole
> mess.  Why would I want to buy another device that forces me to ITunes
> to sync my calendar and contacts?  No thank you.  ITunes is getting
> the old command option delete as soon as this IPod is gone.  Not that
> I have anything against the IPod. It's a beautiful machine.  My only
> problems with it are that it dumps my library every time the battery
> dies, and ITunes crashes whenever it tries to sync.  Oh, and ITunes
> doesn't update my library properly, and it won't let me change the
> settings for ripping/encoding cd's, and it corupts my library every
> three months or so and makes me start all over again, and it fills my
> screen with all kinds of clutter I don't need, and Oh yeh, I generally
> hate being forced into using software that I don't like...  Fwew!
>
> So basicly I'll wait till I can have the functionality that I have on
> my I-Paq, especially gps navigation, braille support, and copy and
> paste file transfers.
>
> Another thing the IPhone didn't have previously which I hope they've
> fixed now is cdma support. It's got to have cdma support to be really
> viable here where CDMA is king.  I'm using gsm, and would be more ore
> less happy with it if my carrier didn't lie to me, price gouge me, and
> go behind my back at every turn.  I am counting down the days left on
> my contract so I can cut my rediculous sell phone bill.  There are way
> more CDMA carriers here than gsm though, in fact there are only two
> gsm carriers here and they are both owned by the same company which is
> universally hated here.  It's not just me this time.  So, we have to
> have cdma support if we want to make the IPhone attractive to the %75
> of us who don't use a gsm carrier here in ontario, and probably the
> rest of canada as well.  Right now, the only supported platform that
> runs on CDMA unless the new IPhone comes with CDMA support is windows
> mobile and mobile speak pocket/smartphone.  So that's what technology
> companies here are going to keep selling.  When orator and the

Re: safari 4 issue

[Larry Wanger]

Try command with backspace instead.


On Jun 8, 2009, at 9:14 PM, Brandon Misch wrote:

>
> Hey all. i'm having a safari 4 issue. when i try to go back with
> command left arrow, it doesn't go back like it did in version 3. is
> there a fix for this?
>
>
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Re: voice over comes to the I phone

[Larry Wanger]

I've been looking in to whether or not VO and some of the newer  
features of software version 3.0 will run on the older iPhones. It  
sounds like the hardware between the new iPhone and the iPhone 3G  
aren't that different. However, I can't tell for sure about iPhones  
older than that.  My wife has the model that came out just before the  
3G did and it looks like she's upgrading so I may try to use her older  
phone. Not sure if that will work.

What I have found out is that the new iPhone is not priced as neatly  
as they claim it is. Those under more recent contracts with At&T will  
need to pay much more for the new phone.

So, for example, my wife and I have 2 year contracts. I priced out the  
new iPhone if I purchase one on my line and its $499 for the 32GB  
model. Meanwhile, my wife got her iPhone in April of last year and can  
get an upgrade price of $299 for the new phone. I don't understand  
this arrangement because I don't even have an iPhone and I purchased  
my Samsung Blackjack II 2 months before she got her iPhone.

In any case, the software comes out on the 17th and we'll see what I  
can do with it.




On Jun 8, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I think it will be.
>
> They will be upgradable for $10 for all the firmware. Unfortunately  
> they did add CPU power, ... So who knows about VO running on the  
> older phones.
>
> Regards,
> Alex,
>
>
> On 8-Jun-09, at 8:07 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
>
>> Well, I'm guessing it will be...I mean wouldn't it be part of the  
>> OS? We'll have to wait and see...
>> On Jun 8, 2009, at 9:52 PM, Larry Wanger wrote:
>>
>>> The iPhone 3.0 software update will be available on June 17 from  
>>> what I heard. I don't know though if voice over will be included  
>>> in that.
>>> On Jun 8, 2009, at 5:11 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh, and now that I think about it, does anyone know if existing  
>>>> iPod touch or iPhones can be upgraded to the new system? They all  
>>>> have the necessary touch screen, so hypothetically VO should be  
>>>> able to work on them, unless Apple added a lot of processing  
>>>> power and memory to the new iPhones, which makes accessibility  
>>>> viable...
>>>>
>>>> Ignasi
>>>> On Jun 8, 2009, at 7:28 PM, glenn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello
>>>>> Does anyone know of any demonstration videos showing the  
>>>>> addition of Voiceover?
>>>>> Any word whether Voiceover will be available for the ipod touch?
>>>>>
>>>>> Glenn
>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>> From: Josh de Lioncourt
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:54 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll  
>>>>> have to get me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can. This is just  
>>>>> tremendous.
>>>>>
>>>>> The description of how it works sounds very inuitive. I  
>>>>> absoltuely cannot wait.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh de Lioncourt
>>>>> …my other mail provider is an owl…
>>>>>
>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt
>>>>> Music: http://stage19music.com
>>>>> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com
>>>>> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com
>>>>> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:41 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read.
>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> >


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Re: voice over comes to the I phone

[Larry Wanger]

The iPhone 3.0 software update will be available on June 17 from what  
I heard. I don't know though if voice over will be included in that.
On Jun 8, 2009, at 5:11 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:

> Oh, and now that I think about it, does anyone know if existing iPod  
> touch or iPhones can be upgraded to the new system? They all have  
> the necessary touch screen, so hypothetically VO should be able to  
> work on them, unless Apple added a lot of processing power and  
> memory to the new iPhones, which makes accessibility viable...
>
> Ignasi
> On Jun 8, 2009, at 7:28 PM, glenn wrote:
>
>> Hello
>> Does anyone know of any demonstration videos showing the addition  
>> of Voiceover?
>> Any word whether Voiceover will be available for the ipod touch?
>>
>> Glenn
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Josh de Lioncourt
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone
>>
>>
>> I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll  
>> have to get me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can. This is just  
>> tremendous.
>>
>> The description of how it works sounds very inuitive. I absoltuely  
>> cannot wait.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh de Lioncourt
>> …my other mail provider is an owl…
>>
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt
>> Music: http://stage19music.com
>> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com
>> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com
>> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt
>>
>> On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:41 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote:
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>>> Read.
>>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html
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Tweetie for Mac

[Larry Wanger]

Hi,

FYI, I just tested a new Mac desktop app called Tweetie. Its made by  
the same peeps who make the Tweetie application for the iPhone.  
Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work well with VO. It looks like a  
terrific program but I can not get VO to interact with the program.  
Just thought I'd pass this on. If someone else has better luck let me  
know.



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RE: Reading large amounts of text on a web page

[Larry Wanger]

And, that's just nuts Apple. This is one particular area where JAWS is far
and away better. Taking all of these steps just to read a full web page from
one point to another is insane. Apple, are you listening?


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Reading large amounts of text on a web page


Hello Mike,

> Yes, you can start from a particular point and read to the end of a  
> web page. It's easiest if you have all your cursors tracking one  
> another:
>
> . Find the point from which you wish to start (it must not be a link);
> . Click 3 times with the physical mouse;
> . Move to end (VO-Shift-End), it must not be a link;
> . Hold down Shift key and click with the physical mouse:
> . Use the Start Speaking Text command.
>
> It's quite quick to do when you get used to it, but it's best to  
> have set a shortcut for Start Speaking Text.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne


On Mar 5, 2009, at 1:54 AM, Mike wrote:

>
> Hi all:
>
> Is there a method of reading large amounts of text on a web page using
> VO?
> Right now, I have to use the VO right arrow to read line by line.
>
> TNX:
> Mike
>
> >





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