Re: New Mac User
David Woodbridge and applevis were and are extremely helpful for me Sincerely, Michael maslo > On Sep 1, 2019, at 00:18, Hemachandran Karaha wrote: > > > Hi Marie, > > I find David Woodbridge audio tutorials extremely good. I have immensely > benefited from them. > > Warmly, > Hem. > > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On > Behalf Of Phil Halton > Sent: 01 September 2019 05:55 > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: New Mac User > > Marie, don’t forget to plow through the getting started guide. You can find > it by pressing the help menu keys VO plus h. The getting started guide is > down at the bottom of the list. You might find some trouble in browsing at > first, but try to bring up the table of contents and you’ll find a wealth of > information about using voiceover on the Mac. Also check out the other items > in the voiceover help menu while you’re at it. I think you’ll find all you > need there along with questions on list you should learn quite quickly. > > Sent from my IPhone > > > On Aug 31, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Marie wrote: > > I listened to the short introductory videos on the Hadley site, as well as > several from David Woodbridge on Applies and some other misc. also from > Apple Vis. Today I am going to sit down with the Air and follow the free > podcast from John, Introduction to Voiceover on the Mac. > I have lots to learn for sure. > Marie > > > From: Petrus Tuerlings > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 1:13 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: New Mac User > > Hi Marie and others, > Welcome to the list Marie, what are the podcasts you’ve listened to so far? I > may have herd some of them already but you never no. I’m also a new user, > well I’ve been using a Mac since January but still consider myself a > beginner. I only ever used windows machines and never liked it, loads of > people told me not to get a Mac but I’m glad I did. The folks this list have > been a huge help and I would have been lost without them. > Petrus > > > On 1/09/2019, at 3:12 AM, 'Gail Selfridge' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > I am another new member, but I am a little more experienced than Marie. I > joined this group because I have a job with my church editing documents. We > are using Pages and I don’t know a whole lot about pages. We are not using > the templates, thank heaven. We are just using it the way one would use text > edit so I don’t have a lot to learn but any fine points would be beneficial. > This looks like a very good group and I know a few of you from other lists > I already know that the Mac is a much better computer than PCs using windows. > > Gail > > Sent from Gail’s iPhone > > On Aug 31, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Marie wrote: > > Thanks for the welcomes by you and John. The Mac for the Blind website is one > I have visited and just downloaded the free tutorial from DEC. I also am > familiar with Apple Vis since I have been using the IPhone since 2011 and > even do a bit of teaching in it’s use for newly vision impaired individuals. > I believe I have the mindset to learn the Mac. > Looking forward to the group interaction. > Marie > > From: Dave Carlson > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 7:50 AM > To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries > Subject: Re: New Mac User > > Marie, > You heard from John already. I recommend you visit his web site at > macfortheblind.com and look at his audio tutorials. Many are cost-based, but > there are about a half dozen basic tutorials that are free, and are very well > done. I learned a lot from John’s tutorials, and also from those done by > David Woodbridge on appleviz.com (did I spell that one right?). > I did a lot of listening and struggling in my first 3 or 4 months using the > Mac, but am becoming more comfortable with the Sox approach. > I made it a point to become familiar first with the Mail and Textedit apps, > and then spent a whole lot of time learning how to get around in Finder. > Calendar and Contacts were a bit more difficult to use, and I’m still not > comfortable with Contacts. > Other places you should spend time poking around would be in the Voiceover > Utility and System Preferences. > And of course post your questions to this list. There are some real experts > on board. > > Dave Carlson > Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian > > > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's
Re: Was anyone disappointed with Apple?
Hello I would never go back to finger print. If my hands are wet or such I can’t unlock the phone also if I have gloves on I can’t unlock the phone. I also think facial is is faster. Sincerely, Michael maslo > On Sep 11, 2019, at 13:12, Mika Pyyhkala wrote: > > Ever since I got the iPhone 10S, I've thought of going back to the > iPhone 8 for touch id. > > While I can use Face id, I think on balance touch id is quicker and > more efficient. > > It is hard to say on the 2019 models how much better the face id angles will > be. > > You really have to move the phone pretty far away to get it to > register with face id, and you can't do this when the phone is in your > pocket. > > Its possible, but hard to believe, if VO users could be absolutely > 100% as quick and efficient with the face id as the touch id. I mean > of course it works, but we're maybe talking about saving 1 second or > lesss in the unlock interaction or the interaction to log in to an app > or authenticate something with touch id vs. face id. > > I would say at least a few to several times a day with touch id, I > have to do the retry. It has improved since I got it, and most of the > time when I do the retry it works. This is usually logging in to an > app, etc. > > But with touch id it was much more rare that I would ever have to do a retry. > > The touch id was such a more natural feeling experience and it just > worked nearly 99% of the time. > > I've gotten more used to the home button gestures and they don't > bother me as much but if I had to I would say I prefer the old school > home button. I did find the virtual home button worked just as well > as the mechanical one. > > Just yesterday I was in the Marriott app and the home gesture did not > work. I think the app somehow overrode the portrait orientation and > put it in landscape. Eventually I got it back but I feel like if I > had a home button, I would have saved that 1 minute or so of time to > get it back or reset it. > > > So I don't know if I will actually do it, but I am still thinking > about switching from the 10S to the 8. > > Normally outside of these products, I am always on the cutting edge > and eager to try the latest thing. > > It seems like it gets to how elegant and effoertless the interface is. > I found touch id to be 99% elegant but the face id maybe 70%. > Best, > Mika > > > >> On 9/11/19, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >> wrote: >>No argument there, exactly my point. >> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>ancient.ali...@icloud.com >> Many believe that we have been visited >> in the past. What if it were true? >> >>> On 9/11/2019 10:32 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote: >>> I would argue that every company that makes a screen reader for the OS >>> should work much more on basics, plain and rich text reading, how the >>> screen reader works with the OS, supporting braille as much as possible, >>> and making the experience as bug free as possible in a timely manner. >>> >>>> On Sep 11, 2019, at 11:32 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >>>> >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> This is why I rarely listen to these events. Apple is not an AT >>>> company but I would much rather they put more resources into improving >>>> what is already there; basic Voiceover performance, including braille >>>> support. No Apple watch in my future by the way. >>>> >>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >>>> Many believe that we have been visited >>>> in the past. What if it were true? >>>> >>>> On 9/11/2019 3:07 AM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote: >>>>> I thought I'd let everyone know that I was disappointed with Apple. >>>>> No new hardware on the I phone, nice for sighted people who could use >>>>> a new camera, but what about stuff for us? How on earth will voice >>>>> over work on a watch with the display on all the time? I'm waiting >>>>> for next year to see what happens. >>>>> Kawal. >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>> Visionaries list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >>>>
Re: forgot password on mac
Hello, Their Are a few ways to do this. It Depends on what version of the Mac OS your running. However if you type in your password three times incorrectly you should get a password hint. From there you should get a box which says to reset Using your Apple ID. This will work if the account on three the Mac is the Same as your iPhoneOr Such. If Not, the only way to reset a password is to go to Recovery. Do that by turning off the Mac and after hitting power then hit command r. Once you get to the recovery screen you herd need sighted help for you need to get to the utilities menu. Voice over Does not read that choice or at least it did not do it for me. Once in the utilities menu, You Have to go to terminal. Once in terminal you herd need to type r e s e t p a s s w o r d. After that you just follow the prompts. Again in my experiences sighted assistance is a Must. Hope this helps. Feel free to ask questions if you have them. Sincerely, Michael maslo > On Oct 18, 2019, at 21:20, wayne coles wrote: > > hello i had to take my mac in to the apple store and have the os reinstalled > but i have forgot the password i set up quickly in the store so on login is > there a way to bypass the log in screen and reset a new password please > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/27a9df97-b5a8-b574-0615-5f39e4832363%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/AF1BF61A-0432-4D18-861B-D9060A5EDAAE%40gmail.com.
Re: Kindle for Mac and iOS
Hello, On the iPhone, kindle Works great. It is fully accessible. I use it on a regular basis. On the Mac on the Other hand is not that accessible at all. It is difficult to to read a book at all. You are able to get to where the voice reads the Book but the screen turns off and the book stops reading. Also there is no way whatsoever of reading a book character by character word by word etc. Basically the only thing you can do is read The book non stop and That is if The screen does not go to sleep. Now Mind you it has been a few months since I last tried it and I have reported it To Amazon. Hope this helps. Sincerely, Michael maslo > On Dec 12, 2019, at 10:43, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > Just curious how Kindle stacks up against Apple Books on both Mac and iOS > accessibility-wise. > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... > ancient.ali...@icloud.com > Many believe that we have been visited > in the past. What if it were true? > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/5fd53cba-5626-b23f-1527-18660082574b%40icloud.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/FA16C571-CE72-4B9A-97A3-A8158E0E10AC%40gmail.com.
Re: Slow Response Switching in/out of Safari on Mac
Hi Dave, I have noticed that Behavior also. I also have it when I first launch safari. I Will get a Busy message sometimes when I am Typing a web address in also. As you Stated though, it is only with safari. Sincerely, Michael maslo > On Dec 29, 2019, at 12:02, Dave Carlson wrote: > > > Anyone else noticed a significant delay when Cmd-Tab switching in or out of > Safari to other open apps? Seems only to happen with Safari, like there’s a > whole lot of thinking/consideration/processing going on. Sort of like it’s > hesitating before finally doing it. Then I also notice that the app I’m > switching to does not come up speaking to tell me which one it is. I think > this is because I have a VO activity set up in Safari — is that something I > just have to live with? > > Dave Carlson > Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian > > > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/7D3363CD-A3BE-4124-AAD6-AD89485FA63D%40sbcglobal.net. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/A6453224-4B13-4C22-AB80-1A7AC5E01DF0%40gmail.com.
Re: Slow Response Switching in/out of Safari on Mac
No I do not. Sincerely, Michael maslo > On Dec 29, 2019, at 12:20, Dave Carlson wrote: > > Michael, do you have any VO activities set up for Safari? > > > Dave Carlson > Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer > > > > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/44196DAA-6B62-452C-9965-4E0B249E4C5C%40sbcglobal.net. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/FDB12EB0-75C6-459B-ADF6-EB8C50BD8737%40gmail.com.
Re: Converting Kindle books to iPub
Hi Paul, I got a program in order to change it from Kindle to a pub. Again I was unable to use it with Catalina because 64-bit does not work. i eventually decided to use my Windows laptop to convert the file over using the epubor ultimate. Sincerely, Michael maslo > On Feb 15, 2020, at 10:04, Paul Hopewell wrote: > > Hello, > I am struggling to read a Kindle book using the Mac OS Kindle App on > Catalina. It seems to work completely differently than other Mac Apps. I > would appreciate any tips on how to use this App, especially if you want to > read parts of the book via the table of contents. > In the past I converted Kindle books to the more VO friendly iPub using the > Calibre App. That worked fine but it needs to access the .AZW file for the > Kindle book. I can no longer find this file. > Have any listers recent experience of converting Kindle books to iPub? > Many thanks … Paul Hopewell > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/64C52D6C-91EC-44B4-9BB6-946956E51293%40hopewell.org.uk. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/D71F66DD-2D42-4338-976E-8090228B2334%40gmail.com.
Re: Looking for VoiceOver accessible "budgeting" software?
I like home budget Sync. It it is fully accessible. I love it. Sincerely, Michael maslo > On Feb 16, 2020, at 11:57, Brandon Olivares wrote: > > Hi, > > You Need A Budget (YNAB) is the best app I’ve found out there. Some elements > could definitely be more accessible but they’ve made huge leaps in that area. > > But more importantly their budgeting philosophy is the most useful I’ve found. > > Brandon > >> On Feb 16, 2020, at 12:55 PM, CHUCK REICHEL >> wrote: >> >> Hi List, >> Looking for VoiceOver accessible "budgeting" software. >> What app is available that can work and be edited both on my mac book air >> running "Mojave" and the latest Ipad pro? >> Ie the budget entries made on my lap top can also be "edited" added to on >> the Ipad Or Iphone?) >> Thanks >> Chuck >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/53FCA642-48EA-4855-896E-6BF153EAA0E2%40gmail.com. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/93859524-D5E7-4613-A1D3-150CB30821D0%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/3096E4F4-A471-4BFE-ADE6-A00A2E7FFD5A%40gmail.com.
Re: Looking for VoiceOver accessible "budgeting" software?
Yes sorry Sincerely, Michael maslo > On Feb 16, 2020, at 14:34, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > That would be HomeBudget with Sync? No space between Home Budget. > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... > ancient.ali...@icloud.com > Many believe that we have been visited > in the past. What if it were true? > >> On 2/16/2020 11:52 AM, Michael Maslo wrote: >> home budget Sync. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/40c7be5c-7107-a94c-9fd2-d4dfc4390042%40icloud.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/51C99E14-A32C-4C4C-A1F4-16E6D28B836C%40gmail.com.
