programming too the lidar in the 12 pro?

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

I am considering  starting programming too the LIDAR  on my iphone 12 pro. But 
how much do we know about it ,  ideally i would want it too detect things when 
i am near too themand maybe trek haptic output a little bit when i ma say close 
too a wall or some such, i want too use it when i ride my horse. Any thoughts?

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Re: To keep my iPhone 11, or go for the iPhone SE

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

I am using diffrent phones for, diffrent things, even an android, yes you heard 
me right. I am most likely going to get a SE. it should be better than my 7, 
and why not the 7 says it needs its battery changed, so now is a good time as 
ever too do it.

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> On 11 May 2020, at 22.33, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> I want an I phone with Touch ID and Face ID at the same time so I have a 
> choice of using Touch ID or Face ID.  Touch ID needs to be under the glass.
> 
> Kawal.
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>> On 10 May 2020, at 15:58, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning, listers,
>> 
>> I'm mostly just posting this for fun. Obviously this is more about 
>> subjective preference, but I am nonetheless curious about others opinions.
>> 
>> I've never really paid any attention to the iPhone SE, but  since reading 
>> the following article,
>> https://doubletap.online/opinion-the-blind-iphone-is-back I have been 
>> thinking seriously about "downgrading" from my iPhone 11 to the new SE. I 
>> love the idea of the smaller form factor, and, though I've gotten used to 
>> face ID, wouldn't at all mind just having a home button again. Neither of 
>> these things in and of themselves would have gotten me to switch, but the 
>> fact that I could get those things and get a phone with the A13 processor is 
>> very intriguing. My one reservation is that the SE will not have as good an 
>> upgrade path as the 11, which I mostly care about if Apple comes out with a 
>> 5G phone next fall. Thoughts?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Question About E-mails from Ramy

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

I have seen this many times, too me it is just another person on an mailing 
list, and for all we know his Sirname can have family values, my ipad changes 
too an Arab voice, so no issue for me at all.

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> On 5 May 2020, at 18.07, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Pete,
> Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. But not absolutely certain.
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
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Re: Operating system accessibility (was RE: Ios 13.4.1)

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

Well, one thing i like about the chromebook is that they are so cheap, if they 
dont work, you toss it , and well buy a new one. If you are into that, of 
course. A laptop for $100 with Screenreader inbuild, yes me likes, me likes 
lots. I use a Acer for all of my medical work, and so far it is taking all i am 
tossing at it. Needless too say i am impressed. There are a couple of things 
that android have that apple do have on their iphone, but they day it changes i 
might not look back, and that is what makes life interesting, we move, we move 
on from something good, too something better.
 

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> On 12 Apr 2020, at 14.01, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> There is basic braille support in that what chrome speaks is presented on the 
> braille display. Also I found the math support lacking last time I reviewed. 
> I believe that chromevox did use abbreviations for control types but 
> Iremember bing disappointed with either web alerts or item describtions. 
> That being said, I find braille on Macs to frustating also with how locked 
> the braille cursor is with the vo cursor. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 7:22 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Let's find out what happens when the European Accessibility Act starts to 
>> take effect, later this decade. It might speed up the process of improvement.
>> 
>> It will also be interesting to observe what accessibility enhancements Apple 
>> developers make over the next few years. Voice Control was a major advance 
>> introduced last year.
>> 
>> On 4/11/20, 05:51, "Simon A Fogarty" > behalf of si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>>   Jason,
>> 
>>   Not to mention it's not a top priority for these companys to make the 
>> accessibility fully functional and there for as much as we complain about 
>> the bugs,
>>   We don't celebrate the great products that we are given to work with.
>> 
>> 
>>   -Original Message-
>>   From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  
>>   Sent: Saturday, 11 April 2020 3:21 AM
>>   To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>   Subject: Operating system accessibility (was RE: Ios 13.4.1)
>> 
>>   The short answer in my view is that, in general, the people who develop 
>> screen readers, support for accessibility within operating systems, and 
>> support for accessibility in at least some applications are hard-working, 
>> knowledgeable, and strive to get it right. Unfortunately, whether they work 
>> for multinational corporations or for small organizations, they tend to be 
>> under-resourced. Too many software developers writing applications and 
>> application components don't know how to implement accessibility support 
>> well - or don't give it sufficient priority.
>>   The result is that there are too many bugs and rough edges, and this won't 
>> change until there are stronger policies in place requiring higher quality, 
>> as well as more software developers working on accessibility issues 
>> effectively.
>>   I don't think for a moment that this situation is acceptable. I think it's 
>> a policy issue, not a technical one, ultimately.
>> 
>>   -Original Message-
>>   From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
>>   Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 10:17 PM
>>   To: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>   Subject: Re: Ios 13.4.1
>> 
>>   Jason,
>>   You  raise an issue that frankly baffles me.
>>   why is it not possible for  an  individual to choose a single operating 
>>   system and   have their needs met from an accessibility standpoint?
>>   why  is it an acceptable situation to need   multiple devices in various 
>>   systems to complete tasks.
>>   It certainly was not always  the case.
>>   I can respect having a laptop or desktop and also a phone or tablet, but 
>> those  should work in harmony with each other if that makes sense. and the 
>> accessibility should be consistent on those devices regardless of program 
>> being used.
>>   I have no idea where the concept of creating a single program to manage a 
>>   single task   then  incorporating accessibility in came from, perhaps the 
>>   windows arena.
>>   Still as someone pointed out earlier in this thread Google believes that 
>> controlling punctuation  should not be something a user can do  on the 
>> Android platform.  Yet text to speech is not a screen reader,  with google 
>> failing to understand  this a major concern.
>>   as you note, most of the individuals meeting with accessibility will not 
>> have  the technological ability to figure things out..so will simply believe 
>>  access is an impossibility in  general.
>>   However such complacency about what access is expected to do in part 
>> started with the population benefiting from that access, not demanding that  
>> a screen reader tool work uniformly across the board much the way in theory 
>> the physical functions  the adaptive tool enhances work in the human body.
>>   Kare
>>   Who frankly wonders on aver

Re: Operating system accessibility (was RE: Ios 13.4.1)

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

I am not going to get any friends from saying this, but it have too be said. I 
have used chromebooks for over a year now , and have not had one single 
situation where i could not. Get stuff done. And if they have broken something 
in an update, they have fixed it for me when i have mentioned it , can the same 
be said for apple?
If you are geeky enough you will at beast be left with 3 major OS. IOS 
chromeos, and android. I use them all for diffrent things. Wait i forgot Linux. 
Too me it is about using the right tool for the right thing, so too speak.


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> On 10 Apr 2020, at 17.20, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> The short answer in my view is that, in general, the people who develop 
> screen readers, support for accessibility within operating systems, and 
> support for accessibility in at least some applications are hard-working, 
> knowledgeable, and strive to get it right. Unfortunately, whether they work 
> for multinational corporations or for small organizations, they tend to be 
> under-resourced. Too many software developers writing applications and 
> application components don't know how to implement accessibility support well 
> - or don't give it sufficient priority.
> The result is that there are too many bugs and rough edges, and this won't 
> change until there are stronger policies in place requiring higher quality, 
> as well as more software developers working on accessibility issues 
> effectively.
> I don't think for a moment that this situation is acceptable. I think it's a 
> policy issue, not a technical one, ultimately.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
> Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 10:17 PM
> To: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Ios 13.4.1
> 
> Jason,
> You  raise an issue that frankly baffles me.
> why is it not possible for  an  individual to choose a single operating 
> system and   have their needs met from an accessibility standpoint?
> why  is it an acceptable situation to need   multiple devices in various 
> systems to complete tasks.
> It certainly was not always  the case.
> I can respect having a laptop or desktop and also a phone or tablet, but 
> those  should work in harmony with each other if that makes sense. and the 
> accessibility should be consistent on those devices regardless of program 
> being used.
> I have no idea where the concept of creating a single program to manage a 
> single task   then  incorporating accessibility in came from, perhaps the 
> windows arena.
> Still as someone pointed out earlier in this thread Google believes that 
> controlling punctuation  should not be something a user can do  on the 
> Android platform.  Yet text to speech is not a screen reader,  with google 
> failing to understand  this a major concern.
> as you note, most of the individuals meeting with accessibility will not have 
>  the technological ability to figure things out..so will simply believe  
> access is an impossibility in  general.
> However such complacency about what access is expected to do in part started 
> with the population benefiting from that access, not demanding that  a screen 
> reader tool work uniformly across the board much the way in theory the 
> physical functions  the adaptive tool enhances work in the human body.
> Kare
> Who frankly wonders on average how many machines an individual using adaptive 
> technology  owns?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, 9 Apr 2020, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> 
>> I haven’t updated to iOS 13.4.1 yet, but I plan to do it soon. Based on 
>> what I’ve read, I don’t expect any changes that will affect me or other 
>> VoiceOver users significantly.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Every modern operating system has accessibility bugs, unfortunately. 
>> That’s why I sometimes have to switch operating systems just to get work 
>> done. For example, I’ve switched from Windows to Mac to complete a task in 
>> the last week or two due to accessibility issues on the Windows  side. 
>> Fortunately, the laptop with Windows installed and the MacBook Pro are on 
>> the same desk, so it’s really easy to move from one to the other. Of 
>> course, I really shouldn’t have to move between two computers just to do 
>> my work properly, but that’s how it is at the moment. This isn’t the 
>> place to discuss application and screen reader crashes on Windows, or 
>> accessibility regressions there either, or having to switch between Windows 
>> screen readers to work around bugs. In my experience, the Mac has had its 
>> share of accessibility problems as well, and I’ve been using it since 
>> 2014. Some applications are more accessible under Windows than under Mac OS, 
>> and vice versa.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have Windows 10, Mac OS, Linux and iOS here, so I believe I can make 
>> fair comparisons. As it stands, I think the practical advice is to 
>> have multiple operating systems available and to switch

Re: Mac Mini Now Here

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

Wait , reboot! What is that , we dont do that in Linux, at least not often! LOL.
For the guy asking for Linux help i might be able too help out as well i run my 
own on VM on the chromebook. That is another subject.
All of this ssh on mac reminds me of a story, back in the times when i was 
young well younger than what i am now I ssh’ed into a friends mac, and had 
saying wake him up, what i did not know what that his stereo was set too 11!


Nothing like Say interminal. And girl can it read fast.
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> On 4 Apr 2020, at 18.24, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Jason. That support file is just what I needed, and it was
> updated last December so is quite up to date.
> 
> Task accomplished!
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries writes:
>> Assuming these instructions are not out of date, you cane rename your user 
>> account and home directory:
>> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201548
>> 
>> On 4/4/20, 08:59, "'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>Thanks for the pointer, Andrew. I was there before, but didn't realize I
>>needed to adjust the browser to show applications. It doesn't default to
>>applications, and I missed that one thing.
>> 
>>Got it now!
>> 
>>However, here's a somewhat bigger concern. The setup wizzard
>>concatinated my name to create the user account. Perhaps there was a
>>screen where I could have changed that, but I blithely powered through
>>it.
>> 
>>Now I need to undo that. It does matter because it complicates ssh and
>>similar cross machine activity.
>> 
>>Can I change my login name, and have it rename my default user folder
>>plus whatever else it databases on that identity?
>> 
>>Or should I create a new account the way I want it, assign admin to it
>>and then delete the old account I don't want?
>> 
>>Not sure which is best path forward here.
>> 
>>Best,
>> 
>>Janina
>> 
>>'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries writes:
>>> Janina,
>>> 
>>> If you go to system preferences and users, and choose logging options, one 
>>> of the choices is to enable voiceover on login screen.  This should solve 
>>> your problem of not having speech when logging in.
>>> 
>>> By the way, I hadn’t responded to your last message when discussing OT 
>>> Linux because I couldn’t identify your off-list email address anywhere and 
>>> of course I didn’t want to continue on list.
>>> 
>>> Good luck with your mini.
>>> 
>>> Andrew 
 On 4 Apr 2020, at 12:11, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 And, she's on line on my LAN slowly getting configured for service. BTW:
 Her name is cantata, cantata.rednote.net. look her up! 
 
 It's not surprising, but still somewhat annoying all the things I've
 forgotten about configuring the OS X environment to my liking. I've
 forgotten, of course, because I've only done it once before in my life,
 about six years ago. I'm referring to the kinds of tasks you do once and
 not again until you get your next machine.
 
 Yes, I'm stuck on one in particular at the moment that's driving me
 crazy. I like my apps (and files) in list mode, alphabetized. List is
 checked, but I seem to be actually getting columns, i.e. moving down
 arrow jumbles the alphabet.
 
 Not quite as annoying, but still a nuisance every time I have to reboot
 for some reason is that I haven't succeeded making Voice Over on by
 default at login. I have to do the Command+F5 thing every time. Of
 course, I'm now rebooting less and less, but this is still an annoyance.
 
 All else is slowly getting there. All the help on this list was very
 helpful indeed. A few notes:
 
 The Mini did not come up talking, perhaps because I'd utilized the
 headphone jack with a cable to my desktop Mackie 1202 audio mixer?
 Whatever the reason, I had to manually do Commend+F5 to get the offer of
 Voice Over tutorial, and then the default setup process.
 The magic keyboard and magic mouse were identified without issue, except
 that the Mini complains if I turn the mouse off. I'd like it not to
 complain if it can't find a mouse. Sheesh!
 
 The Mini seems to have no issue identifying and using my Alexa enabled
 2019 vintage Insignia TV as a monitor. I gave it the last of my 3 hdmi
 ports. We'll see whether it complains when I switch away from that
 port--haven't done that yet in the office, but I typically have this TV
 muted, but on a news channel that I can quickly unmute with its remote
 control.
 
 Unplugging the headphone does NOT auto switch to the builtin speaker. I
 wish it could. If I go to Sound under System Preferences, I can enable
 the builtin speaker and I would agree it's good enough for Voice Over,
 but not for music--as previously debated when I asked here.
 
 Oh, and miracle of m

Re: Editing and comporessing videos

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

It is very simple, if you wanna go beyond the 12 minute limitation that YouTube 
have , pay for it , it is worth it. As for cutting them together , i thought we 
could do do that on our iPads. Let me check and come back on that 


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> On 16 Feb 2020, at 03.44, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I understand that Quicktime can join videos together and I have also seen 
> references to compression techniques in its AppleScript dictionary. 
>  
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2020, at 8:55 PM, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
>> <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com⁩> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all:
>> 
>> I took 3 videos using my Iphone, and need to combine them together in 1 
>> video and also compressing them to be able to upload to youtube, is there an 
>> accessible app to do this on mac?
>> Thanks
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Re: More training questions on the apple watch.

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

I have been really in doubt if the watch is worth it for me, it have too do 
with me being doing yoga, and i am not sure how it will see all the diffrent 
posses we do in Hathatha yoga, and or yin yoga, so well a timer is what works 
for me , for the most poses.

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> On 29 Jan 2020, at 15.55, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Set the timer.  I think you are making this more complicated than it really 
> is.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jan 29, 2020, at 01:22, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Ok, today i started a 7 minutes workout from my apple watch.
> It worked like a charm but it did not stop after 7 minutes.
> I can’t for sure say if it told me that my time was out because i felt a 
> small vibration on my wrist and then i had to step down from the machine to 
> take a look on my watch and it was on 7 minutes and 13 second continuing up 
> to 7.21 minutes after i realized i had to do the pause myself.
> So can the watch just stop after a specific amount of time with the training 
> ap or do i have to set a timer for that?
> Sorry for all these questions.
> I realize i can do a google search too but its so comfortable after the 
> training to just ask.
> Now its time for shower and some super strong coffee.
> /A
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Re: IRC client for either macOS or iOS

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

I believe there is Xchat, for mac , at least not sure about iOS.




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> Hello all,
> Anyone know of an accessible IRC client for either macOS or iOS? I am taking 
> a python course and they set up an IRC channel for the class.
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Re: How to use Google Maps Detailed Voice Guidance

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Url not working



Sandie


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> 
> 
> Yesterday, we wrote about how Google is adding a new visual accessibility 
> tool to Chrome. In honor of World Sight Day, Google continues to
>   champion tech accessibility with its latest addition to Google Maps: a 
> "Detailed Voice Guidance" feature that makes it easier for the blind
>   and visually impaired to navigate on foot. Here's how it works and how to 
> use it.
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> https://www.androidauthority.com/google-maps-detailed-voice-guidance-1039816/--
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Re: Update to iOS 13?

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Is there a website where one can read about all these new features for us?

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> And a good reason for updating is for the continued security updates.
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>> On 30/09/2019, at 06:33, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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>> Hi!
>> THe only reason for not upgrading is if you don’t want all the new features.
>> Actually i have no issues or very small ones that i can deal with.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 28 sep. 2019 kl. 23:10 skrev Phil Halton :
>>> 
>>> I'm still running iOS 12.4.1, is 13.1.1 acceptable and that it is fixed 
>>> most of these bugs I keep hearing about introduced in iOS 13? Is there any 
>>> reason I shouldn't upgrade?
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Re: A Substitute for Alex -- Where is Eloquence?

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It is not often i agree with Anders, but i have too this time , Fred is 
workable, light memoeryvise, and can speak super fast

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> Hi!
> Fred is a good or ok alternative.
> /A
> 
>> 15 sep. 2019 kl. 05:47 skrev Mary Otten :
>> 
>> If Apple ever decides to open up the system so that you can use voices that 
>> you bought somewhere, such as if you have voice dream reader and have 
>> purchased voices there, then maybe there will be a greater selection 
>> available for systemwide usage. And should that happen, if somebody decided 
>> somehow legally to Port eloquence over, then maybe. But that is a lot of 
>> if‘s. And somebody would have to decide it was worth their time and that 
>> they could make money. Another dubious possibility.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> Mary,
>>> Okay, thought I’d ask.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Call for action: Astreos exo hunting

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

Yuma, usually I certainly dont do this ... but i have a few scanned books 
around you might liked reading .
Do you by chance have anything with SCP?


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> On 13 Mar 2019, at 17.20, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
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> Hi Sandy,
> 
> Maybe I'm the one who doesn't write in proper English, I'm multi lingual 
> after all, which may make my grammar less than stellar at certain times.
> 
> However, I re-read again, and it seems pretty clear that the feature I am 
> working on, and talking about, is about exoplanet identification using the 
> app. This is the main objective of my Holman prize submission, and whether I 
> get it or not, I am investigating with astrophysicists about the use of audio 
> signals to hear the dip of host star light curves to potentially discover 
> those exoplanets. So when I say it can be one of us, or many of us, I mean 
> discovering exoplanets using the app.
> 
> The ability to perhaps get someone onboard space X is actually a stretch 
> goal, as in by completing the objectives I outlined in my submission, there 
> will be enough media coverage and exposure across various communities, from 
> my uni, astrophysics, astronomy, the app eco-system, some other communities I 
> can't really talk about right at this moment but are there, the tech 
> industry, as well as a few others, to reach the mentioned Tycoon, and perhaps 
> get someone onboard that scheduled mission. 
> 
> Yes, I fully admit that It's a dream of mine to get onboard that flight. i 
> have read countless books on missions, systems, planets, black holes, 
> physics, the cosmos, sci-fi from classics to page turners like contact, and 
> still much more, but I can't be so selfish as to do this just for my own 
> enjoyment. There has to be a goal that reaches beyond the individual for 
> something to be valuable, and so my active time investment is about making 
> STEM subjects accessible to kids with blindness or visual impairment.
> 
> And please do flood me with your knowledge, I'm open to any and all 
> suggestions, comments and feature requests on Astreos, and am happy to 
> implement them. such as visiting the ISS in 3D audio, for example, which is 
> something I have deeply reflected on as the ISS is currently around 8 
> football fields and 10 storeys high in dimension, and still growing.
> 
> Anyway, I digress :)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 14 Mar 2019, at 1:14 am, Sandie Jazmin Kruse  wrote:
>> 
>> Rereads, and rereads again... let me see if i get this right ... you are 
>> most certainly right in that Space x have just flown its demo 1 mission with 
>> its Dragon who will take humans too the space station.
>> But. The way i read your mail, you make it sound like 100 people at the same 
>> time , will go into space? And one of them being blind?
>>  If i am mistaken and they will go , 7 after each other , read up about what 
>> it will cost nasa, just for that one demo 1 mission.
>> I truly understand your fascination for space. I truly do, i am just 
>> scanning a wonderful book about ISS. So i can flooow you better than you 
>> might think. And your  i can do it all attitude is damn uplifting , but 
>> stop... think... a blind person? That would be for the media scoop alone.
>> However if think if anyone should go , you should be the one , you made the 
>> App after all.
>> I can be wrong , but i doubt it ,
>> I should add ... when the dragon docked, and undocked from ISS i was crying 
>> my eyes out , this is so good we are back in business
>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On 13 Mar 2019, at 15.35, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your kind words Mike,
>>> 
>>> I think it really is about passion, a bit of madness in that you will spend 
>>> hours to validate what you think is a thread that can lead somewhere, long 
>>> hours of fun and sometimes not so fun work, but all the way is the 
>>> certitude that this will help promote education, cross over activities and 
>>> especially the value of blind people the world around.
>>> 
>>> And well, I love travelling for investigation :)
>>> 
>>> Have a great day 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yuma 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 13 Mar 2019, at 10:59 pm, Michael Busboom  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> You have a phenomenal can-do attitude, and it is extremely motivational! 
>>>> Keep up the excellent work, and thanks for making it possible for those of 
>>>> us who are interested in space to participate in the study of the cosmos.
>>>> 
>>>> Mike
>>>> 
>>>>

Re: Call for action: Astreos exo hunting

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

Rereads, and rereads again... let me see if i get this right ... you are most 
certainly right in that Space x have just flown its demo 1 mission with its 
Dragon who will take humans too the space station.
But. The way i read your mail, you make it sound like 100 people at the same 
time , will go into space? And one of them being blind?
 If i am mistaken and they will go , 7 after each other , read up about what it 
will cost nasa, just for that one demo 1 mission.
I truly understand your fascination for space. I truly do, i am just scanning a 
wonderful book about ISS. So i can flooow you better than you might think. And 
your  i can do it all attitude is damn uplifting , but stop... think... a blind 
person? That would be for the media scoop alone.
However if think if anyone should go , you should be the one , you made the App 
after all.
I can be wrong , but i doubt it ,
I should add ... when the dragon docked, and undocked from ISS i was crying my 
eyes out , this is so good we are back in business
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> On 13 Mar 2019, at 15.35, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for your kind words Mike,
> 
> I think it really is about passion, a bit of madness in that you will spend 
> hours to validate what you think is a thread that can lead somewhere, long 
> hours of fun and sometimes not so fun work, but all the way is the certitude 
> that this will help promote education, cross over activities and especially 
> the value of blind people the world around.
> 
> And well, I love travelling for investigation :)
> 
> Have a great day 
> 
> 
> Yuma 
> 
> 
>> On 13 Mar 2019, at 10:59 pm, Michael Busboom  wrote:
>> 
>> You have a phenomenal can-do attitude, and it is extremely motivational! 
>> Keep up the excellent work, and thanks for making it possible for those of 
>> us who are interested in space to participate in the study of the cosmos.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 13.03.2019, at 11:00, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Also,
>>> 
>>> Having won the NASA space app challenge here in Brisbane, and being in 
>>> touch with a few engineers working at NASA, the job is about going to them 
>>> and communicating. if no-one does it, no-one at NASA will really think 
>>> anyone who is visually impaired is interested in working for them. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 13 Mar 2019, at 7:49 pm, Raymond Foret Jr  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Very interesting:  but, do you really think that Nasa actually believes a 
>>>> blind person will ever actually go in to space?  Hate to tell you, but as 
>>>> for me, I think not;  their noises to the contrary not with standing.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
>>>> blind:
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> 
>>>> The constantly barefooted Ray
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 13, 2019, at 4:25 AM, Sandie Jazmin Kruse  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Lool. While i really respect your work, i really do, a blind person 
>>>>> in space. I will believe it when i see it .
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 13 Mar 2019, at 03.01, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have spoken to Mark about this off list and he has been kind enough to 
>>>>>> support the endeavour I have been embarked on for the past year, as well 
>>>>>> as what I am about to ask.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Some of you know that I have been working on the first star gazing app 
>>>>>> for sighted and blind, Astreos. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Let's say that it has gotten very far since I first started playing 
>>>>>> around with NASA's data trove. It won a NASA space app challenge, has 
>>>>>> appeared across the globe, at an Apple summit for education, and even a 
>>>>>> physics magazine from the U.k. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Some also might know that I have spoken at a recent TEDx in Brisbane, 
>>>>>> Australia.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am about to release a version which now has every object which has 
>>>>>> been classified and is known to pro astronomers, and some objects which 
>>>>>> are only known in the scientific field, along with some bi

Re: Call for action: Astreos exo hunting

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

Lool. While i really respect your work, i really do, a blind person in 
space. I will believe it when i see it .


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> On 13 Mar 2019, at 03.01, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I have spoken to Mark about this off list and he has been kind enough to 
> support the endeavour I have been embarked on for the past year, as well as 
> what I am about to ask.
> 
> Some of you know that I have been working on the first star gazing app for 
> sighted and blind, Astreos. 
> 
> Let's say that it has gotten very far since I first started playing around 
> with NASA's data trove. It won a NASA space app challenge, has appeared 
> across the globe, at an Apple summit for education, and even a physics 
> magazine from the U.k. 
> 
> Some also might know that I have spoken at a recent TEDx in Brisbane, 
> Australia.
> 
> I am about to release a version which now has every object which has been 
> classified and is known to pro astronomers, and some objects which are only 
> known in the scientific field, along with some big improvements, bug fixes 
> and a special feature which is the reason of this invitation.
> 
> I have spoken to several astrophysicists, both at my uni and one close to my 
> city which is the only one in the SOuthern hemisphere working with MIT on a 
> data set coming from a recently launched satellite, the TESS or Transit 
> Exoplanet Search Satellite. Our discussion is ongoing as they are validating 
> what I thought would be possible as a blind person.
> 
> What the TESS satellite basically does is to capture what is known as light 
> curves, a time based light value set of pixels from hundreds of thousands of 
> stars in the night sky.
> 
> With a set of tools, scientists usually try to identify various phenomenon, 
> such as the explosion of a super nova, what is called tidal disruptions which 
> are basically black holes ripping stars apart, and also exoplanets transiting 
> their host stars. Visually, this is quite messy, so teams around the world 
> try to use algorithms. However, human perception is way more advanced than 
> computers.
> 
> And this is where the idea came. What if we as blind users can actually hear 
> the transition of an exoplanet? it happens to be very much a reality.
> 
> So I am working with those astrophysicists to create a sequence of tools for 
> the blind, so that we can download light curves associated to what are called 
> authorised campaigns, use the tools to identify yet undiscovered exoplanets, 
> report it to the scientific team working on that quadrant, and if the 
> discovery is confirmed, the exoplanet will be named under whatever you want 
> it named.
> 
> This is citizen science to its most universal.
> 
> And this is my proposal for the Holman prize, so that I can keep 
> investigating, and speaking to the people who will make this a reality, 
> including 2 blind astrophysicists, one in SOuth Africa, who has also spoken 
> at TED, and another in the U.K, who will most probably love the work being 
> done.
> 
> Finally, the last leg of the investigation will be to NASA's jet propulsion 
> labs, where the engineer I have been working on for solar system objects as 
> well as asteroids and comets, will help me promote science topics for blind 
> kids who have an inclination for maths and sciences.
> 
> And this one being a stretch goal, but still a possibility, is to approach a 
> Japanese tycoon who has recently booked a flight with space X to the moon 
> scheduled in 2023, with the intent of having various human citizens onboard. 
> This is to get one of us, picked from a facebook page I will establish, to be 
> on that flight.
> 
> I know this is ambitious, but there are no limitations to what we can do, and 
> I guarantee this is the case, from my own experience. And I am sure most of 
> you think the same.
> 
> Here is the link to the video, please press on the like button and help me 
> get this investigation through to the first blind citizen having an exoplanet 
> named after him/her. It might be one of us, or many of us. But in the end, it 
> will only show the world that being blind does not limit us to anything, and 
> that we are fully part of the space age.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TDsHHuT3CQ&feature=youtu.be
> 
> Also, here's the link to get the app Astreos, and be part of the beta testing 
> stage when the exoplanet hunting sequence starts.
> 
> https://astreos.oseyeris.com
> 
> Thanks a lot for your attention, and have an awesome week :)
> 
> Yuma, the space indiana jones
> 
> If you can, please help propagate this around your networks, family and 
> friends. I and many others think this can usher in a lot of new ideas and 
> promote accessibility to a whole lot more for us.
> 
> 
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Re: Mark on Apple Smart Keyboard, Folio, for iPad Pro 10.5

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

Have been using my iPad Pro for the better part of 2 years, and the keyboard 
just works.





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> On 28 Feb 2019, at 02.24, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Just a quick update.  I must admit, I am liking the Apple smart keyboard,
> more and more, each day.  I found some extremely helpful articles and videos
> on how best to use it.
> 
> For example, I discovered that iPad Pro 10.5 can be placed in two different
> viewing positions; one with the keyboard extended and one without the
> keyboard.  This is extremely useful when watching videos.
> 
> Just as an F.Y.I., I downloaded a 3D fireplace app that just looks and
> sounds fabulous on iPad Pro.  When I am at my desk, not using iPad, I launch
> the app, place iPad Pro, 10.5 in the un-extended keyboard landscape
> position, and truly enjoy the view.  Silly, I know but, I like it.  (Smile).
> 
> Also, typing on the Smart keyboard works very well on my lap or even on one
> knee.  It is extremely sturdy, and,  more importantly, lightweight.  
> 
> Now as for the lack of the function keys?  I'm finding that it matters not,
> to me, at present.  
> 
> Although I am surprised to hear myself say it, I have to admit that I would
> recommend the Apple Smart keyboard, folio, 10.5, for iPad Pro.
> 
> Mark
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Re: Single user mode.

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

You do not ... mount a user, only drives. But honest guys, it is not often you 
have to do that at all, i did it to start with back in the day when mac was new 
and exciting, now a day everyone uses it , you pretty much use it as it is , 
unless if you do of course have special needs.
Should you need it anyways, google is the better option to go. Too with such 
things, if i start talking i will loose half the list  i fear.
>From what i do remember you have read write rights too all your disks from 
>recovery mode. 


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> On 25 Feb 2019, at 15.24, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Yes i come to think of that too.
> How do one mount the root user?
> Am i not root when in recovery mode from scratch?
> /A
> 
>> 24 feb. 2019 kl. 02:07 skrev Jonathan C. Cohn :
>> 
>> Another  possibilty whd be to start in recovery mode yoand then mount the 
>> root partition from the terminal there. that terminal does have VoiceOver 
>> available.
>> I haven't tried this in 2 versions but it should still work. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 23, 2019, at 7:11 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Sometimes but not very often you may be wanting to use Single user mode on 
>>> your mac.
>>> BUt can this be done with VoiceOver?
>>> I suppose that this is not possible as i guess there’s no audio and maybe 
>>> not even other drivers loading.
>>> I know this is only console or commandline environment.
>>> So maybe if one could install brltty on the mac.
>>> Has anyone ever tried it?
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> /A
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Re: Wait, what happened to my wifi?

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

Janina, i moved from Cph out in the country so right these days I’m all about 
artificial sight , so i dont think i will run into them. I will say hi if i do, 
of course.
What is funny to me is that i might end up running the project on some form of 
Linux, and when i look around in the office, i can see at least 4 mac 
computers, it is interesting to me how stuff runs in circles sometiems.


Sent from my iPad

> On 11 Feb 2019, at 00.36, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Sandie:
> 
> Yes, yes, I remember my trips to Copenhagen very well. I was very happy
> to share what I knew at the time, and Hans and all the folks at the
> Institute were always so very gracious. It's a fond memory for me.
> 
> Speaking of music, I see there's a very interesting project with
> MusicXML at the Danish Institute. It seems it's all for JAWS right now,
> but I'm hoping they have bigger plans. I don't have all the details, but
> I think they're on a very good path.
> 
> BTW: If you run into Hans and Mitsy, please say Hello from me. I've been
> thinking of them recently and hope they're doing well.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> Sandie Jazmin Kruse writes:
>> Janina, agree i run my artificial sight on some Linux stuff, the thing is 
>> amazing... but what is best, on Linux you can submit, torture,whip the 
>> system into exactly what you want it to be.
>> Something i had to the first time i took my setup riding on horseback...
>> That is a story far from this list though.
>> I remember clearly when you was in Denmark talking about Linux Hans 
>> Rasmussen was all over me months after to find out what i used, and, what is 
>> as important, how.
>> I am glad most blind people have learned to use apple, now we just have to 
>> teach them how to use android.
>> As for music, with you on that , Linux socks, i would love to have my Keytar 
>> module on Linux, but it is on mac, so i can live with that .
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 10 Feb 2019, at 13.39, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Sandie:
>>> 
>>> All I can say is that anyone who has known me over the years knows how
>>> devoted a Linux evangelist I've been. Heck, I'm officially a Linux
>>> Fellow of the Linux Foundation--for real.
>>> 
>>> Having said that, I want to add that I've found it highly revealing how
>>> differently different web browsers handle various web pages. I can show
>>> you sites that only work under Chrome, or that work best under Safari,
>>> or best under Firefox. The differences are quite astonishing, actually.
>>> So, for professional reasons, as a Working Group Chair in the W3C, I'm
>>> likely to try to keep a multi OS environment going.
>>> 
>>> Beyond that I've found there are some things I want to do with music and
>>> audio that I can't do on Linux, and I'm tired of waiting for the day I
>>> can do them there.
>>> 
>>> Still, It's the OS I'm using right now, as I write this email. I'm on an
>>> Arch Linux tower machine running Speakup in a console with Mutt as my
>>> email client. While I also have Thunderbird open, and Apple Mail on my
>>> laptop, I default to mutt unless there's some reason to move to one of
>>> the other clients. Usually the reason that gets me to move is the need
>>> to clink on embedded links in an email message.
>>> 
>>> When it comes to hardware though, I may agree with you. I'm not sure I
>>> like the idea of no physical function keys, and I certainly don't like
>>> the idea of no boot chime. That would make using a more modern Apple
>>> laptop a real nuisance in a triple boot environment. So, much as I like
>>> using Safari and several other Apple software apps, I'm unlikely to get
>>> another Airbook.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> Sandie Jazmin Kruse writes:
>>>> Janina, let this be proof to you that Linux, always ... not just sometimes 
>>>> but always works... 
>>>> i have i believe in public so i cant even run from it said “Linux is cute”
>>>> And one thing is sure, next computer is not going to be a Apple product.
>>>> Ive had the same issue when going to England, it is not acceptable. Going 
>>>> to the us everything works cutely as one would expect.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>

Re: Wait, what happened to my wifi?

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

Janina, agree i run my artificial sight on some Linux stuff, the thing is 
amazing... but what is best, on Linux you can submit, torture,whip the system 
into exactly what you want it to be.
Something i had to the first time i took my setup riding on horseback...
That is a story far from this list though.
I remember clearly when you was in Denmark talking about Linux Hans Rasmussen 
was all over me months after to find out what i used, and, what is as 
important, how.
I am glad most blind people have learned to use apple, now we just have to 
teach them how to use android.
As for music, with you on that , Linux socks, i would love to have my Keytar 
module on Linux, but it is on mac, so i can live with that .

Sent from my iPad

> On 10 Feb 2019, at 13.39, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Sandie:
> 
> All I can say is that anyone who has known me over the years knows how
> devoted a Linux evangelist I've been. Heck, I'm officially a Linux
> Fellow of the Linux Foundation--for real.
> 
> Having said that, I want to add that I've found it highly revealing how
> differently different web browsers handle various web pages. I can show
> you sites that only work under Chrome, or that work best under Safari,
> or best under Firefox. The differences are quite astonishing, actually.
> So, for professional reasons, as a Working Group Chair in the W3C, I'm
> likely to try to keep a multi OS environment going.
> 
> Beyond that I've found there are some things I want to do with music and
> audio that I can't do on Linux, and I'm tired of waiting for the day I
> can do them there.
> 
> Still, It's the OS I'm using right now, as I write this email. I'm on an
> Arch Linux tower machine running Speakup in a console with Mutt as my
> email client. While I also have Thunderbird open, and Apple Mail on my
> laptop, I default to mutt unless there's some reason to move to one of
> the other clients. Usually the reason that gets me to move is the need
> to clink on embedded links in an email message.
> 
> When it comes to hardware though, I may agree with you. I'm not sure I
> like the idea of no physical function keys, and I certainly don't like
> the idea of no boot chime. That would make using a more modern Apple
> laptop a real nuisance in a triple boot environment. So, much as I like
> using Safari and several other Apple software apps, I'm unlikely to get
> another Airbook.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
> Sandie Jazmin Kruse writes:
>> Janina, let this be proof to you that Linux, always ... not just sometimes 
>> but always works... 
>> i have i believe in public so i cant even run from it said “Linux is cute”
>> And one thing is sure, next computer is not going to be a Apple product.
>> Ive had the same issue when going to England, it is not acceptable. Going to 
>> the us everything works cutely as one would expect.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 10 Feb 2019, at 09.17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not really something people do.
>>> 
>>> Hiding the ssid would be something but a different software shouldn't hide 
>>> the ssid or change the frequency of the network signal.
>>> 
>>> The signal would be still in the 2400 or 5G range for the device to see.
>>> 
>>> Connectivity is a different situation again.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2019 3:06 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Wait, what happened to my wifi?
>>> 
>>> It would be a possibility were there a radio signal to attach to, but there 
>>> isn't. The only way this could be possible is if they were using a 
>>> nonstandard radio frequency for which the Apple hardware isn't tuned.
>>> I'm not even sure you could retune via software alone. Maybe.
>>> 
>>> Pete Nalda writes:
>>>> I know that you’re having the same problem at other places, but is it 
>>>> possible the university has a piece of software you’d need to download to 
>>>> use their wi-fi?  I had to do that to use the WiFi on my MacBook Air 2018 
>>>> here at Austiin Community college. 
>>>> 
>>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>>>> MySpace.com/musikonalda Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 7, 2019, at 7:35 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
&g

Re: Wait, what happened to my wifi?

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

Janina, let this be proof to you that Linux, always ... not just sometimes but 
always works... 
i have i believe in public so i cant even run from it said “Linux is cute”
And one thing is sure, next computer is not going to be a Apple product.
Ive had the same issue when going to England, it is not acceptable. Going to 
the us everything works cutely as one would expect.




Sent from my iPad

> On 10 Feb 2019, at 09.17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Not really something people do.
> 
> Hiding the ssid would be something but a different software shouldn't hide 
> the ssid or change the frequency of the network signal.
> 
> The signal would be still in the 2400 or 5G range for the device to see.
> 
> Connectivity is a different situation again.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2019 3:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Wait, what happened to my wifi?
> 
> It would be a possibility were there a radio signal to attach to, but there 
> isn't. The only way this could be possible is if they were using a 
> nonstandard radio frequency for which the Apple hardware isn't tuned.
> I'm not even sure you could retune via software alone. Maybe.
> 
> Pete Nalda writes:
>> I know that you’re having the same problem at other places, but is it 
>> possible the university has a piece of software you’d need to download to 
>> use their wi-fi?  I had to do that to use the WiFi on my MacBook Air 2018 
>> here at Austiin Community college. 
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
>> MySpace.com/musikonalda Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
>>> On Feb 7, 2019, at 7:35 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Jonathan:
>>> 
>>> Yes, I tried searching online for
>>> +wifi +"no signal"
>>> 
>>> But that yields so many, many results that are far more prosaic. In 
>>> the time I spent looking at those results, I didn't find anything 
>>> that actually seemed pertinent.
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn writes:
 Sorry, I can’t look up WiFi standards right here and now, but I believe 
 that UK uses different frequencies for WiFi than Macintosh. I have not 
 done any international travel since ethernet switched from primarily 
 coaxial to primarily RJ45 connectors, so I have no direct experience. 
 Perhaps if you had changed your Region to UK maybe the Radio would be 
 properly programmed? I kind of doubt it, since usually it is just the base 
 stations that need to be configure and the devices will pick up the 
 signals from there.
 Did you try a web search?
 
 Best Wishes,
 
 Jonathan Cohn
 
> On Feb 6, 2019, at 7:55 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi, I'm befuddled by losing wifi while in the south of England 
> this last week. Thankfully, I had a Bootcamp hosted Windows 10 
> available which was able to use wifi.
> 
> What could the the explanation possibly be? And, more importantly, 
> what's the fix? I expect to travel again with my Airbook, and I 
> certainly can't accept having wifi access be a crapshoot.
> 
> Let me be clear:
> 
> 1.)Wifi has been working perfectly at home and on the go in the
> States. I should note I'm fully updated with Mojave.
> 
> 2.)I travel to the University of Southampton in the U.K., and I get 
> "no signal." But,
> if I boot to Windows or to Linux, I have wifi.
> 
> 3.)I return home to the States, and wifi is working again in Mojave.
> 
> All thoughts on this conundrum most welcome.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: Apple tells app developers to disclose or remove screen recording code, TechCrunch

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

I am not chocked. If people can get away with things, they will.

Sent from my iPad

> On 8 Feb 2019, at 06.09, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Apple tells app developers to disclose or remove screen recording code
> 6 hours ago
> 
> Apple is telling app developers to remove or properly disclose their use of
> analytics code that allows them to record how a user interacts with their
> iPhone apps - or face removal from the app store, TechCrunch can confirm.
> In an email, an Apple spokesperson said: "Protecting user privacy is
> paramount in the Apple ecosystem. Our App Store Review Guidelines require
> that apps request explicit user consent and provide a clear visual
> indication when recording, logging, or otherwise making a record of user
> activity."
> "We have notified the developers that are in violation of these strict
> privacy terms and guidelines, and will take immediate action if necessary,"
> the spokesperson added.
> It follows an investigation by TechCrunch that revealed major companies,
> like Expedia, Hollister and Hotels.com, were using a third-party analytics
> tool to record every tap and swipe inside the app. We found that none of the
> apps we tested asked the user for permission, and none of the companies said
> in their privacy policies that they were recording a user's app activity.
> Even though sensitive data is supposed to be masked, some data - like
> passport numbers and credit card numbers - was leaking.
> Glassbox is a cross-platform analytics tool that specializes in session
> replay technology. It allows companies to integrate its screen recording
> technology into their apps to replay how a user interacts with the apps.
> Glassbox says it provides the technology, among many reasons, to help reduce
> app error rates. But the company "doesn't enforce its customers" to mention
> that they use Glassbox's screen recording tools in their privacy policies.
> But Apple expressly forbids apps that covertly collect data without a user's
> permission.
> TechCrunch began hearing on Thursday that app developers had already been
> notified that their apps had fallen afoul of Apple's rules. One app
> developer was told by Apple to remove code that recorded app activities,
> citing the company's app store guidelines.
> "Your app uses analytics software to collect and send user or device data to
> a third party without the user's consent. Apps must request explicit user
> consent and provide a clear visual indication when recording, logging, or
> otherwise making a record of user activity," Apple said in the email.
> Apple gave the developer less than a day to remove the code and resubmit
> their app or the app would be removed from the app store, the email said.
> When asked if Glassbox was aware of the app store removals, a spokesperson
> for Glassbox said that "the communication with Apple is through our
> customers."
> Glassbox is also available to Android app developers. Google did not
> immediately comment if it would also ban the screen recording code. Google
> Play also expressly prohibits apps from secretly collecting device usage.
> "Apps must not hide or cloak tracking behavior or attempt to mislead users
> about such functionality," the developer rules state. We'll update if and
> when we hear back.
> It's the latest privacy debacle that has forced Apple to wade in to protect
> its customers after apps were caught misbehaving.
> Last week, TechCrunch reported that Apple banned Facebook's "research" app
> that the social media giant paid teenagers to collect all of their data.
> It followed another investigation by TechCrunch that revealed Facebook
> misused its Apple-issued enterprise developer certificate to build and
> provide apps for consumers outside Apple's App Store. Apple temporarily
> revoked Facebook's enterprise developer certificate, knocking all of the
> company's internal iOS apps offline for close to a day.
> 
> Original Article at::
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Re: VM fusion question

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

I do the same ,if it doesn’t work, write again so we can help you.

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> On 8 Feb 2019, at 04.13, Hemachandran Karaha  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Pete and all for chiming in.
>  
> Let me try and get back.
>  
> Warmly,
> Hema.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Pete De Vasto
> Sent: 08 February 2019 04:53
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: VM fusion question
>  
> Hema,
>  
> It’s a bit tricky, but let me see if I can explain it right: When you’re in 
> Windows, press Control+Command. Then, you can use Command+Tab to move away 
> from VMware Fusion to any other app you might have running. All the VO 
> command will work once you have done the Control+command keystroke.
>  
> Now, to get back to Windows under VM is where it’s a little tricky. First, 
> Use either command+Tab or the dock to get back to VMware Fusion. Then, wait a 
> few seconds. Wait a few seconds, and hopefully VO will say something like 
> VMware Fusion, full screen, the name of your Windows virtual machine. If this 
> happens, press Control+G to tell VMware Fusion to get control of the 
> keyboard. If Control+G doesn’t work, I have to press Control+Command+F. I 
> will hear VO say “space with applications” followed by all the applications 
> you have currently open. You then may have to use Command+Tab to get back to 
> VMware Fusion once more. Then wait a few seconds until hopefully you hear VO 
> Say “space containing” the name of your windows machine, full screen. Once 
> that happens, you should be back in your Windows environment and the keyboard 
> commands will work for you.
>  
> Please, anyone else who uses VMware Fusion, feel free to chime in if you 
> think you can make this explanation clearer. I’ve been thinking how to write 
> this all afternoon, and I’m still not sure I’ve explained it clearly but 
> didn’t want any more time to go by before posting.
>  
> Pete De Vasto
> 
> 
> On Feb 7, 2019, at 9:40 AM, Hemachandran Karaha  wrote:
>  
> Hi all,
>  
> Kindly let me know how to use VM fusion effectively to alternate between 
> Windows and Mac. I am making this request for the third time on this list. 
> Hope I will get a response this time.
>  
> Warmly,
> Hema.
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Re: DBT help

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

And if it isn’t, just do the math so it is 5.00 where yall are ,
Good that you got the problem solved.


Best 
Sandie
¨
Sent from my iPad

> On 5 Feb 2019, at 19.18, RATTRAY, JULIE  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> From what I recall of the Canadian Whisky I tried when in Halifax your wife 
> is quite right - and indeed it is always 5.oclock somewhere! 
> Best wishes
> Julie
> 
> Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA 
> Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
> School of Education 
> Durham University 
> Leazes Road 
> DURHAM 
> DH1 1TA
> 
> Tel: 0191 3348249 
> Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk
> Twitter @joolsled 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 5 Feb 2019, at 18:05, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Glad that you found a solution.  Didn't want to encourage such behaviour so 
>> early in the morning.  Although, it's likely 5 o'clock somewhere.  Canadian 
>> whiskey is also tasty in coffee according to my wife.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Feb 5, 2019, at 11:01, RATTRAY, JULIE  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> OK so I have cracked it! But it is silly - instead of trying to move round 
>> the dialogue box I just hit enter and it opened the file - not sure if I 
>> feel stupid for not trying this in the first place or puzzled that it lets 
>> me do it but won’t let me navigate the box - will inform Duxbury of the 
>> whole issue but glad for now to have found a solution.
>> 
>> Thanks for all the different suggestions - turns out I won’t need whisky in 
>> the morning coffee after all 😉 
>> Best wishes
>> Julie
>> 
>> Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA 
>> Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
>> School of Education 
>> Durham University 
>> Leazes Road 
>> DURHAM 
>> DH1 1TA
>> 
>> Tel: 0191 3348249 
>> Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk
>> Twitter @joolsled 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 5 Feb 2019, at 17:56, RATTRAY, JULIE  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Will try that - just tried ET’s suggestion of quick nav but even with it 
>>> off it just closes the programme - going to look at cursor tracking now - 
>>> will keep you updated 
>>> Best wishes
>>> Julie
>>> 
>>> Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA 
>>> Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
>>> School of Education 
>>> Durham University 
>>> Leazes Road 
>>> DURHAM 
>>> DH1 1TA
>>> 
>>> Tel: 0191 3348249 
>>> Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk
>>> Twitter @joolsled 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 5 Feb 2019, at 17:54, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
 
 Another thing to try is turning off Cursor Tracking. Sometimes when focus 
 tries to follow the VoiceOver cursor vice-versus the application gets 
 totally confused. Obviously if they had tested this panel while using 
 VoiceOver, it could have been corrected. 
 So, even if you can get around by turning off cursor tracking make sure 
 Duxberry is aware.
 
> On Feb 5, 2019, at 12:43 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>  I'm running in demo mode. I did not land in that table (which I do in 
> the Windows version). So just a guess. Is Quick Nav on? QN can do strange 
> things. If you interacted then chose a translation table did you stop 
> interacting?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>> On 2/5/2019 9:18 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Hmmm.  That sounds like a job for DBT support people.  If they use some 
>> sort of proprietary Open dialog instead of the bulb-in MacOS dialog, it 
>> might cause issues.  Yes, she is really enjoying it.  We were having fun 
>> over the weekend as we heard that you had some cold and snow.  Her cold 
>> and snow would be T-shirt weather for us right now.  It's been -40 C the 
>> last few mornings with a feels like between -45 and -51 C.  It's amazing 
>> how your body gets used to things.  By the end of the day yesterday, it 
>> had made it up to a balmy -26 and it actually felt nice out.  Anyway, I 
>> digress.  Sorry, I doesn't appear that I can be much help with your DBT 
>> issue.
>> Later...
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> On Feb 5, 2019, at 10:07, RATTRAY, JULIE > > wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Just tried it and got same problem just keeps closing
>> And yes small world - durham is lovely is she enjoying it?
>> Best wishes
>> Julie
>> Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA
>> Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
>> School of Education
>> Durham University
>> Leazes Road
>> DURHAM
>> DH1 1TA
>> Tel: 0191 3348249
>> Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk 
>> Twitter @joolsled
>>>

Re: Alex and irc text output on live speaking client (Textual 7) can't speak after 2 words requiring restart. Any way to restart just the speech itself?

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

Who needs plugins when we have Grep and Tail. Wimp xd .

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> On 4 Feb 2019, at 02.16, d.prater via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Lol, Grep for capturing speech. Nah, just use TDSR, IRSSI, with the 
> irssi-sounds plugin, and it all works pretty good.
> 
> Devin Prater
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 1:28 PM -0600, "Sandie Jazmin Kruse" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> He should use Irssi, and Grep for catching the speech, than that would not 
>> have happened.
>> Nods all eagerlike
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 3 Feb 2019, at 18.27, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm running Mojave and not encountering this issue at all. There must be 
>>> something in your audio set-up that makes the difference.
>>> 
>>>> On 2/3/19 11:09 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>>>> Are you using Apple USB or BlueTooth for your audio, or is this through 
>>>> the speakers or  headphone jack? I have seen similar behavior when using 
>>>> BlueTooth device that went out of range and then came back into range. 
>>>>  
>>>>Best wishes,
>>>> 
>>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 3, 2019, at 7:20 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> good that i didnt make the update then.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2/2/19, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>>>>>> Ok, just as an update, I discovered it wasn’t just Alex, or the irc 
>>>>>> client.
>>>>>> It’s something going on with sound in general. My new mail sound got cut 
>>>>>> off
>>>>>> too. On the Apple discussion similar problems were discussed regarding 
>>>>>> sound
>>>>>> in Mojave.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>>>>>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>>>>>> MySpace.com/musikonalda
>>>>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>>>>>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>>>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 2, 2019, at 11:18 PM, Sandie Jazmin Kruse 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Quit irc, and restart, if you have it set up correctly, it will just 
>>>>>>> boot
>>>>>>> join the channels and do its thing.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 2 Feb 2019, at 11.02, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I use Textual as an irc client, and have each channel set to speak
>>>>>>>> channel messages using my system voice, which is Alex in my case. 
>>>>>>>> Problem
>>>>>>>> is, after about 4 hours, it gets to where it can’t speak after 2 words.
>>>>>>>> Is there any way to just restart speech?  Running Mojave 10.14.3.  TIA
>>>>>>>> 
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Re: Alex and irc text output on live speaking client (Textual 7) can't speak after 2 words requiring restart. Any way to restart just the speech itself?

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

He should use Irssi, and Grep for catching the speech, than that would not have 
happened.
Nods all eagerlike
Sent from my iPad

> On 3 Feb 2019, at 18.27, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm running Mojave and not encountering this issue at all. There must be 
> something in your audio set-up that makes the difference.
> 
>> On 2/3/19 11:09 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>> Are you using Apple USB or BlueTooth for your audio, or is this through the 
>> speakers or  headphone jack? I have seen similar behavior when using 
>> BlueTooth device that went out of range and then came back into range. 
>>  
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2019, at 7:20 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:
>>> 
>>> good that i didnt make the update then.
>>> 
>>>> On 2/2/19, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>>>> Ok, just as an update, I discovered it wasn’t just Alex, or the irc client.
>>>> It’s something going on with sound in general. My new mail sound got cut 
>>>> off
>>>> too. On the Apple discussion similar problems were discussed regarding 
>>>> sound
>>>> in Mojave.
>>>> 
>>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>>>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>>>> MySpace.com/musikonalda
>>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>>>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 2, 2019, at 11:18 PM, Sandie Jazmin Kruse 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Quit irc, and restart, if you have it set up correctly, it will just boot
>>>>> join the channels and do its thing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2 Feb 2019, at 11.02, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I use Textual as an irc client, and have each channel set to speak
>>>>>> channel messages using my system voice, which is Alex in my case. Problem
>>>>>> is, after about 4 hours, it gets to where it can’t speak after 2 words.
>>>>>> Is there any way to just restart speech?  Running Mojave 10.14.3.  TIA
>>>>>> 
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Re: Alex and irc text output on live speaking client (Textual 7) can't speak after 2 words requiring restart. Any way to restart just the speech itself?

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

Quit irc, and restart, if you have it set up correctly, it will just boot join 
the channels and do its thing.

Sent from my iPad

> On 2 Feb 2019, at 11.02, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> I use Textual as an irc client, and have each channel set to speak channel 
> messages using my system voice, which is Alex in my case. Problem is, after 
> about 4 hours, it gets to where it can’t speak after 2 words. Is there any 
> way to just restart speech?  Running Mojave 10.14.3.  TIA
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Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

Actually you can pretty much do the same on android as you can on IOS. It is 
just done differently, and you kinda have to know more to do the same.
The note is cutesy, yes, but a little too big for what i am used too...
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> On 25 Jan 2019, at 08.33, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> You mean go backwards?!
> 
> No they just need to keep up the quality and lower the pricing.
> 
> People know they have a quality product or more so a few years back,
> 
> It's the pricing of devices that is killing their sales.
> 
> 
> Samsung for example also do less in the way of computer devices but more in 
> the way of home appliances such as tv's microwave oven and normal oven 
> devices 
> 
> Apples accessibility still in my book leads the way but Android is getting 
> slowly better,
> 
> As for hardware,
> Android devices can be found with better processors and ram etc,
> And it's a shame that apple rely on such companys as Samsung for things like 
> flash memory for their devices 
> 
> Like the release of the iPhone XS and Max 512 GB devices,
> 
> Production was delayed due to Samsung not being able to provide the 512Gig 
> memory 
> 
> Samsung also now have 1TB mobile devices in the S9 galaxy and Note 9 ranges.
> 
> And having just looked at a Note 9 a couple of days ago I can honestly say,
> Apple need to look at their design of product.
> 
> The note is a very very smooth and comfortable designed device.
> 
> And appears to be all glass.
> I'm not going to run from apple at this point but it's only a money thing 
> that stops me updating 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Eric Oyen
> Sent: Friday, 25 January 2019 7:40 PM
> To: [MacVisionaries] 
> Subject: Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine
> 
> Well,
> Even if apple were to dispense with their computer/datapad/idevice lines, 
> they would still be profitable as a cloud storage and electronic publisher 
> with at least $150 billion annually in sales. One other thing they could do, 
> bring back licensed OS X on third party hardware and then just produce a 
> supported hardware index. This would allow them to sell their OS X for just 
> under $30 and still maintain quality control of the OS. Mind you, this is 
> similar to the windows software model, only the hardware would be a bit more 
> limited (like certain brands or models of video hardware, CPU/motherboard 
> combos, sound devices, etc.). Back in ’08, I used to run a “Hackintosh” here 
> using OS X Leopard (10.4) and snow leopard. Nice OS when you used the right 
> hardware (like an Nvidia GTX-9600 or later video card, Intel multicore cpu 
> (pre i5) on an ASUS IL-9 Pro Motherboard and a True SoundBlaster Audigy Pro 
> device with built-in Firewire and DSP.  Btw, I still have that machine here 
> and I use it for some things that don’t require the latest OS to run. It is 
> still a beast (it can run the latest world of warships or world of tanks and 
> can even handle the latest world of warcraft). I know, my room mate uses it 
> when his windows machine can’t handle the load. Not too shabby for a machine 
> that’s 10 years old! :)
> 
> Anyway, Apple is far from dead, but they are not going to be able to sustain 
> their current business model without some significant changes.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2019, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> I'd be surprised if apples end is even close to near.
>> 
>> Remember they have a shit load of dollars to last them along time.
>> 
>> Their trouble is that the brains of the outfit didn't leave anyone else to 
>> follow with the injanuity!
>> There is still time to find that missing link.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2019 2:41 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine
>> 
>> Well, I hope he's wrong about Apple's end being near, but what he describes 
>> is certainly true in our house.  I used to upgrade just about every year.  
>> But I did not upgrade this past year, and I'm thinking about sitting out 
>> next year, too.  If I'm going to pay $1000 for a phone, I definitely want 
>> more than one year's use out of it.  While I'm happy to spend a little more 
>> to support Apple because of all they've done for accessibility, my bank 
>> account isn't bottomless.  You'd think someone at Apple would be putting all 
>> this together.  It's one thing to charge top dollar because you can get it.  
>> But if products aren't selling, then they need to revise their business 
>> model.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 21, 2019, at 11:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The End Of Apple
>>> By Stephen McBride
>>> 
>>> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
>>> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
>>> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the 
>>> first-ever American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for 
>>> free here.) 

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

I use artificial sight, and i will put it like this, the iphone shines, the 
android phone crimes.
If people dont want apple , by god let them change, either you drive an Audi or 
an old Toyota, just remember if your life is on the line, dont you want the 
very best money can buy?
Right now i strongly believe its apple, i dont even think android have phones 
that comes close as in ram and cpu... but i could be wrong about that one 
My only reason to use android is, it is open, and i will admit that, it is a 
good testing platform.


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> On 25 Jan 2019, at 07.39, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> Well,
> Even if apple were to dispense with their computer/datapad/idevice lines, 
> they would still be profitable as a cloud storage and electronic publisher 
> with at least $150 billion annually in sales. One other thing they could do, 
> bring back licensed OS X on third party hardware and then just produce a 
> supported hardware index. This would allow them to sell their OS X for just 
> under $30 and still maintain quality control of the OS. Mind you, this is 
> similar to the windows software model, only the hardware would be a bit more 
> limited (like certain brands or models of video hardware, CPU/motherboard 
> combos, sound devices, etc.). Back in ’08, I used to run a “Hackintosh” here 
> using OS X Leopard (10.4) and snow leopard. Nice OS when you used the right 
> hardware (like an Nvidia GTX-9600 or later video card, Intel multicore cpu 
> (pre i5) on an ASUS IL-9 Pro Motherboard and a True SoundBlaster Audigy Pro 
> device with built-in Firewire and DSP.  Btw, I still have that machine here 
> and I use it for some things that don’t require the latest OS to run. It is 
> still a beast (it can run the latest world of warships or world of tanks and 
> can even handle the latest world of warcraft). I know, my room mate uses it 
> when his windows machine can’t handle the load. Not too shabby for a machine 
> that’s 10 years old! :)
> 
> Anyway, Apple is far from dead, but they are not going to be able to sustain 
> their current business model without some significant changes.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2019, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> I'd be surprised if apples end is even close to near.
>> 
>> Remember they have a shit load of dollars to last them along time.
>> 
>> Their trouble is that the brains of the outfit didn't leave anyone else to 
>> follow with the injanuity!
>> There is still time to find that missing link.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
>> Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2019 2:41 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine
>> 
>> Well, I hope he's wrong about Apple's end being near, but what he describes 
>> is certainly true in our house.  I used to upgrade just about every year.  
>> But I did not upgrade this past year, and I'm thinking about sitting out 
>> next year, too.  If I'm going to pay $1000 for a phone, I definitely want 
>> more than one year's use out of it.  While I'm happy to spend a little more 
>> to support Apple because of all they've done for accessibility, my bank 
>> account isn't bottomless.  You'd think someone at Apple would be putting all 
>> this together.  It's one thing to charge top dollar because you can get it.  
>> But if products aren't selling, then they need to revise their business 
>> model.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 21, 2019, at 11:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The End Of Apple
>>> By Stephen McBride
>>> 
>>> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
>>> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
>>> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the 
>>> first-ever American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for 
>>> free here.) The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of 
>>> the latest Apple
>>> (AAPL) iPhone.
>>> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
>>> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
>>> 
>>> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
>>> Apple has had an incredible decade.
>>> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold.
>>> The stock has soared over 700%.
>>> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded 
>>> company.
>>> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
>>> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
>>> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
>>> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed 
>>> about 35% from its November peak.
>>> 
>>> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of 
>>> wealth in a single stock ever.
>>> And it's only the beginning.
>>> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret If you looked at 
>>> Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
>>> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
>>> 
>>> By this measure, Apple's busi

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

I got both an android phone and iphone, each have their strong and weak sides.
The Cpu in the iphone is the strongest though, so is the one i use the most at 
least for sensing my surroundings unless if i need to record it , then i need 
to use the Android phone.


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> On 23 Jan 2019, at 05.29, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> 
> I didn’t upgrade my phone this year but if i did I would have probably have 
> gotten the XR. Right now I have the X
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2019, at 4:58 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> At the moment, there is no feature which is worth an upgrade on the iPhone. 
>> I purchased an iPhone X last year, and did not feel that there was any 
>> reason to upgrade as Apple did not bring anything new out. Maybe, if people 
>> stopped buying the iPhone for a short while, then Apple would not be so 
>> greedy in making us pay exorbitant prices. Unless there is something really 
>> new in the hardware, I won’t be upgrading to a new iPhone.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 22 Jan 2019, at 9:54 pm, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just upgraded last October. it was last year's phone and I still had to 
>>> pay it out. I wasn't planning to upgrade again for 4 or 5 years. in my 
>>> opinion there's nothing like Apple for accessibility. I hope they change 
>>> their business model in the coming years.
>>> 
 On Jan 22, 2019, at 7:52 AM, Jessica Moss  
 wrote:
 
 Same here.  I don’t plan on upgrading any time soon unless my 7+ conks 
 completely.
 
> On Jan 22, 2019, at 8:40 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, I hope he's wrong about Apple's end being near, but what he 
> describes is certainly true in our house.  I used to upgrade just about 
> every year.  But I did not upgrade this past year, and I'm thinking about 
> sitting out next year, too.  If I'm going to pay $1000 for a phone, I 
> definitely want more than one year's use out of it.  While I'm happy to 
> spend a little more to support Apple because of all they've done for 
> accessibility, my bank account isn't bottomless.  You'd think someone at 
> Apple would be putting all this together.  It's one thing to charge top 
> dollar because you can get it.  But if products aren't selling, then they 
> need to revise their business model.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jan 21, 2019, at 11:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> The End Of Apple
>> By Stephen McBride
>> 
>> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
>> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
>> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever
>> American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.)
>> The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest 
>> Apple
>> (AAPL) iPhone.
>> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
>> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
>> 
>> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
>> Apple has had an incredible decade.
>> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped 
>> tenfold.
>> The stock has soared over 700%.
>> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded
>> company.
>> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
>> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
>> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
>> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 
>> 35%
>> from its November peak.
>> 
>> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of 
>> wealth
>> in a single stock ever.
>> And it's only the beginning.
>> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret
>> If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
>> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
>> 
>> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a
>> secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
>> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
>> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple 
>> sold 14
>> million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
>> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices
>> In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
>> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
>> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
>> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
>> But technology always gets cheaper over time.
>> Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a 
>> small
>> one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best 
>> Buy
>> for $500.

Re: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

I have a leg in both camps, and let’s just say it a super good and fast android 
phone, can run up too, it depends on what you want ,design, or just 
functionality? I use my phones for artificial sight, and let me tell you i 
trust the iphone over android everyday, but because of apples unwillingness too 
open up for APIS i need android too.
If you drive Audi you pay the price, that’s how it is 


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> On 22 Jan 2019, at 06.17, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> The End Of Apple
> By Stephen McBride
> 
> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the first-ever
> American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for free here.)
> The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag of the latest Apple
> (AAPL) iPhone.
> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
> 
> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
> Apple has had an incredible decade.
> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped tenfold.
> The stock has soared over 700%.
> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly traded
> company.
> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked investors.
> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings forecast.
> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed about 35%
> from its November peak.
> 
> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout of wealth
> in a single stock ever.
> And it's only the beginning.
> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret
> If you looked at Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
> 
> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But there's a
> secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every year.
> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple sold 14
> million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices
> In 2010, you could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
> But technology always gets cheaper over time.
> Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even a small
> one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch one from Best Buy
> for $500.
> In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average price
> for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC.
> Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has hiked its
> smartphone prices by 500%!
> Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off.
> But let me tell you this.
> Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore
> It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses.
> Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today over
> five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC.
> Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant player in
> a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable publicly traded
> company in history.
> Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end for
> most businesses.
> But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price hikes.
> Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge prices
> that seemed crazy just a few years ago.
> But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go.
> After all, what's the most you would pay for a smartphone?
> $1,500?
> $2,000?
> 
> How bad is this? It's so bad that Apple now keeps it a secret.
> In November, Apple announced it would stop disclosing iPhone unit sales.
> This is a very important piece of information. Investors deserve to know it.
> Yet Apple now keeps it secret.
> Keep in Mind, the iPhone is Apple's Crown Jewel
> iPhone generates two-thirds of Apple's overall sales.
> Let that sink in.
> A publicly traded company that makes most of its money from selling phones
> is no longer telling investors how many phones it sells!
> And its other business lines can't pick up the slack for falling iPhone
> sales.
> Twenty percent of Apple's revenue comes from iPads and computers. Those
> segments are also stagnant.
> Which means 86% of Apple's business is going nowhere.
> Could Apple go the other way and slash iPhone prices?
> I ran the numbers.
> If Apple cut prices back to 2016 levels, it would have to sell 41 million
> additional phones just to match 2018's revenue.
> 
> Will Apple Meet Nokia's Fate?
> Before Apple, Nokia (NOK) was king of cell phones.
> In 2007 the front-cover headline of a major business magazine read:
> "

Word suggestions using messages.

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

Subject says is all , when i need to write a danish message, it does happen, 
you know, i dont get word suggestions like i do  if i set it too the English 
keyboard, is this the same for everyone, or am I doing something wrong

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Re: the last Ipad with standard headphone jacks?

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

I am a little in doubt about the drive, but i do believe Ipad pros have 3.5 mm 
headphone jacks on them.


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> On 21 Nov 2018, at 14.03, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> really?
> My thought was that one could connect such a drive via the USB port, thanks 
> for that correction.
> Honestly?  My desire  is / was a macbook pro that still had a cd drive. In 
> theory I might then use the iPhone for the few truly IOS programs I imagine 
> using.  my challenge with the macbook pro is not only finding the drive but 
> now the standard jack as well.
> I dare say I can attach the external burner to a laptop, assuming one can do 
> this and have an external keyboard too.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2018, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> 
>> Re the head phone question,
>> I believe the newest iPad pro has a standard headphone jack still.
>> 
>> You can't connect an external drive be it hard drive or dvd burner to an 
>> iPad.
>> 
>> Is it atablet or a computer that your really looking for?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
>> Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2018 1:11 PM
>> To: list voiceover 
>> Subject: the last Ipad with standard headphone jacks?
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> Question part two.
>> Please feel free to correct my ideas here, with solid alternatives based on 
>> what I outline as  things about which I cannot compromise.
>> First, I have an iPhone 5 ish, that I have yet to find a way to use truth be 
>> told.  I believe though I may have found, based on my specific needs, a 
>> possible quality voice.  Whatever Apple item I get will need to manage some 
>> programs that I feel are not available for the mac.  Symphony pro for 
>> example, voice dream reader too, for the reading quality.  I will  be adding 
>> a full sized keyboard, and  because the ability to burn  items to cd is an 
>> absolute necessity, an external drive I already own.
>> From what I understand that means an IPad.
>> So two questions.  First how is Audible with the IPad?  My goal here are the 
>> more presentation related items, audible studio for example.  Still as I 
>> will be moving my items elsewhere, the software itself, linking to Amazon, I 
>> hope is solid in IOs?
>> Second,  which is the last IPad model that still has a standard headphone 
>> jack?  I cannot compromise  on this because  of my headphone requirements.
>> Yes there are adapters,  but using one is a last resort, especially how long 
>> lived apple technology is in the long run.  after all some here are using 
>> machines from 2010.
>> Thoughts?
>> Kare
>> 
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Re: .tgz file?

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

Unpack it like zip.

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> On 9 Nov 2018, at 14.21, Matt  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks.
> 
> Just wondering how I would install this?
> 
> Its a driver for and audio interface.
> 
> I no the .dmg is a disc image.
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Re: Apple iPhone XR Reviews, Barron's

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

Seems it is time for a new phone if its camera is better in low lighting for 
artificial sight,
Have the 7 now, and while it. Is good , it could always be better...


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> On 29 Oct 2018, at 10.52, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Very interesting as usual Mark.
> Sadly its to big for me.
> I have both the Nokia 8 and an Iphone Se and the Se is pritty neat.
> A bit hard to type on but i love it.
> THe Nokia 8 is the Best Android phone i’ve used so far.
> But if i would buy me a new apple Iphone i think i’d go for the xs.
> /A
> 
>> 29 okt. 2018 kl. 01:33 skrev M. Taylor :
>> 
>> What Reviewers Are Saying About the New Apple iPhone XR
>> By David Marino-Nachison
>> Oct. 28, 2018 8:00 a.m. ET
>> 
>> When Apple 's (ticker: APPL) first two new iPhones-the XS and XS Max-came
>> out, many reviewers suggested that shoppers wait a few weeks until the
>> slightly less-expensive XR came out. 
>> "Good news, Apple loyalists: You won't have to burn $1,000 on your next
>> iPhone," Brian X. Chen wrote for the New York Times. "That's because for
>> about $750, you can have the iPhone XR, which is just as fast and nearly as
>> capable as its more expensive counterparts. The cheaper iPhone, which
>> becomes available this Friday, is the model that most people should buy."
>> We already rounded up reviews of the first phones. Here's a selection of
>> highlights from reviews of the newest one. 
>> . First off: What's the difference? Edward Baig collected some of the
>> distinctions, including different screen technology and some cosmetic
>> changes, for USA Today. There's also screen size:
>> The XR, he wrote, "has a display size of 6.1 inches, putting it in between
>> the XS screen (5.8 inches) and the XS Max (6.5 inches). Accordingly, the
>> phone is slightly larger than the XS and slightly smaller than the XS Max."
>> . Nilay Patel, writing for the Verge, went pretty deep on what the screen
>> technology differences really mean to users. 
>> "The iPhone XR LCD definitely shifts a little pink and drops brightness
>> quickly when you look at it off-axis, which often leads to a bit of a
>> shimmery effect when you move the phone around," Patel wrote. "I noticed
>> that shimmer right away, but I had to point it out to other people for them
>> to see it. (It's one of those things you might not notice at first, but you
>> can't un-see it.)"
>> . Power users of phone cameras may wish they had the more expensive models,
>> according to The Wall Street Journal's Joanna Stern. 
>> "The XR has the same great wide-angle camera as the XS phones, but lacks the
>> second telephoto lens for true optical zoom..With just one camera, Apple
>> still enables Portrait Mode-the setting that tries to mimic SLR cameras by
>> applying artificial blur around a subject. Instead of using the two cameras,
>> Apple uses software tricks to try to distinguish the main subject from the
>> background," Stern wrote. 
>> "As crazy as it seems, this is actually a deal breaker for me, as I snap
>> tons of photos of my son and dog together. (I did confirm, however, that the
>> front-facing selfie camera will work for those animal portrait shots.) On
>> the plus side, portrait shots in low light on the XR were better than on the
>> XS since the wide-angle camera lets in more light," according to Stern. 
>> . And the phone doesn't share a touch feature with its more expensive
>> siblings, noted Scott Stein for CNET.
>> "The iPhone XR doesn't have the pressure-sensitive 3-D Touch feature that
>> lets you do things like preview links, messages and files before opening
>> them, as the iPhones 6S, 7, 8, X and XS series do," he wrote. "In its place,
>> the iPhone XR gives little pulses of vibration feedback-called 'haptics'-for
>> the lock screen camera and flashlight icons. Instead of pressing down,
>> holding a finger on them will open them. Same for the Control Center's
>> deeper controls. It kinda feels the same as 3-D Touch."
>> . The XR may be the least expensive of the phones, Chris Velazco wrote for
>> Engaget, but that doesn't mean it's "cheap."
>> "The XR is a little wider, thicker and taller than the XS, but it never
>> feels unwieldy," he wrote. "In fact, since it in sits in a nice little sweet
>> spot between the XS and the massive Max, the XR arguably offers the best
>> blend of size and usability. Build quality is up to Apple's usual standards,
>> which is to say it's impeccable. The iPhone XR may cost less than the phones
>> I reviewed a month ago, but it doesn't feel like it."
>> . If you care about phone colors, read Raymond Wong's review for Mashable. 
>> "I've been using the yellow iPhone XR for a week, and oooh, is it gorgeous,"
>> he wrote. "Besides pairing well with my yellow sunglasses, the color just
>> makes me happy. Imagine that: In 2018, when phone anxiety is real and tech
>> companies are inventing new ways to make us use our phones less, a gadget's
>> brightly colored paint job actually puts me at ease. The five other c

Re: Youtube in safari.

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

It works fine , i am guessing it is the paranoid guy from SE who have forgotten 
to enable , or maybe in this case disable something that he did , previously, 
enable.
It works absolutely adoringly fine for me , on 4 different os versions, smiles.
S
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> On 11 Oct 2018, at 21.14, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> It seems  not to work with most videos i play.
> I will do a google search on this and see what i come up with.
> /A
> 
>> 11 okt. 2018 kl. 21:09 skrev 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> It appears to be working fine for me as well.  Have you tried different 
>> videos?  Is it causing grief on them all, or just specific videos?
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 11, 2018, at 12:53, alia robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> youtube is working fine for me.
>> 
>> On Oct 11, 2018, at 2:49 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks!
>> The paranoid company called Apple seem to have made it impossible to play 
>> youtube videos inside safari.
>> At least on my computer even though i have gone through the autoplay 
>> settings and allowed youtube.
>> Are there more settings that youtube need access to?
>> Thanks.
>> /A
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Re: Verifying Credit Card Info

[Sandie Jazmin Kruse]

IT IS THE ALIENS! They dont want you to use your hard spend money.
Smiles.
Lets see, try turning VO off, and on, again?
I think that is is the only other thing i can come up with.

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> On 21 Sep 2018, at 21.13, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
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> Maybe try a tap and hold on the element.
> Jeff
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>> On Sep 21, 2018, at 3:12 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>>  No picker, no on screen keyboard. When I double tap to put that field in 
>> edit mode, nothing happens. Swiping around does not get me anything tro work 
>> with. Strange.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>>> On 9/21/2018 12:02 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
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>>> Sometimes those are pickers.  Try swiping up/down to see if they change.
>>> Later...
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>>> On Sep 21, 2018, at 12:41, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>  iOS 12 and iPhone 8+. I need to verify credit card info but am unable to 
>>> edit the expiration date. I can edit the other fields. Suggestions?
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