Re: Calendly

['Suzanne Erb' via MacVisionaries]

Hello All,
My Bad! I figured it out.
Suzanne  

> On Jul 20, 2024, at 10:49, Suzanne Erb  wrote:
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> Hello Everyone,
> Has anyone had any luck with Calendly? THere appears to be buttons to select 
> specific times, but the “buttons” don’t seem to act like buttons. VO-Space 
> doesn’t seem to work, neither does VO-shift-Space. I’m sure I must not have 
> done something right.
> Thanks in advance for any help on this issue.
> Have a great weekend.
> Suzanne Erb
> suze...@comcast.net   

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Calendly

['Suzanne Erb' via MacVisionaries]

Hello Everyone,
Has anyone had any luck with Calendly? THere appears to be buttons to select 
specific times, but the “buttons” don’t seem to act like buttons. VO-Space 
doesn’t seem to work, neither does VO-shift-Space. I’m sure I must not have 
done something right.
Thanks in advance for any help on this issue.
Have a great weekend.
Suzanne Erb
suze...@comcast.net 

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Re: Basic HTML training

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I am interested.
Suzanne Erb
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> On Jun 20, 2024, at 08:25, Rena  wrote:
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> I’m interested.
>  
> Rena
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> Interested 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2024, at 5:07 PM, Dave Carlson > <mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Intereste
>> Dave Carlson
>> Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 19, 2024, at 1:30 PM, Jonathan Cohn > <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>>  
>> I am going to try and set up some training sessions so that blind folks can 
>> understand the language that powers the web and how it can effect 
>> accessibility.
>> This will be a fairly basic class at least at the beginning. 
>> • What is an element 
>> • What is the most basic web page 
>> • What are attributes, classes and text nodes 
>> • Why do I see so many div’s and span’s when I view source
>> •  What about CSS 
>>  
>> This could be either a separate mailing or we might meet on zoom over the 
>> weekend. 
>> Please let me know if you are interested. 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
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Re: Voiceover frequently shutting off

[Suzanne Erb]

Hello,
Have you logged this with Apple Accessibility/ Maybe they can assist. If not, 
it might be good for them to know about the issue, so they can investigate it.
Best,
Suzanne

> On Apr 16, 2024, at 10:30, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> I am running the latest Sonoma on a MacBook Pro M3. Lately, I find voiceover 
> needing to be rebooted because it stops speaking. I don’t know if it has been 
> shut off or somehow muted itself but I can get no speech from any action. So, 
> the solution has been to reboot voiceover with the command F5. I first hit 
> command F5 to shut it off, and then command five again and voice comes back 
> up speaking. i’m worrying about the time when it won’t come back up speaking. 
> This is an oddity I don’t understand. Why is voice needing to be rebooted on 
> a regular basis? 
> By the way, this usually happens after a long period of inactivity on the 
> laptops. Like for example first thing in the morning after a nights 
> inactivity, or even after several hours during the day of not being used. 
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Re: Converting power point into accessible format

[Suzanne Erb]

Hello,
I have used  Scribe, and it does work well, but it is not free. What I like 
about Scribe vs. Scribe for Meetings is that with Scribe, you can access the 
information at any time; it belongs to you. With Scribe for Meetings, the 
meeting host or professor can limit your access to viewing the powerPoint 
during the actual time for the meeting. I prefer listening to the lecturer and 
reading the powerPoint in Braille, not necessarily simultaneously. It depends 
on the content being shared. I like to have choice.
But opening the PowerPOint in Keynote gives you the option to view it 
in an accessible way, and it’s free.
Of course, if your university purchases a site license to Scribe, then 
it could, theoretically, make all campus documents accessible for a price. 
Anyway, the more tools you have in your toolbox, the more you will be 
able to access. Yes, universities are supposed to provide you with accessible 
materials and they should; but they can’t provide everything.
Best,
Suzanne

> On Feb 17, 2024, at 17:50, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> You might want to check out Scribe for Meetings from PneumaSolutions.com, and 
> see if it helps.
> I haven’t used it before, but this application is for making PowerPoint 
> presentations accessible.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 17, 2024, at 14:27, John Panarese  wrote:
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> To my knowledge, they have to have an accessibility check done by the 
> creator of the presentation. If it’s not created accessibly, I don’t know if 
> the user can correct it themselves.
> 
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>> On Feb 17, 2024, at 2:22 PM, Rebecca Sabo  wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> It is for school.  I am working with the disability service on an another 
>> class to be accessible , but I am trying to do things for myself for another 
>> class.  So how do I put it in a way to read it after I download the files?
>> Becky
>>> On Feb 17, 2024, at 1:15 PM, Maurice A. Mines  wrote:
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>>> Hi. If. This  is. For  school , that  must make it accessible, that  is  
>>> under sec 504 under  rehab law for  college students. Hth Maurice Mines.
>>> 
 On Feb 17, 2024, at 19:03, Rebecca Sabo  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 I am having some trouble , I was wondering if anyone could help me out.  I 
 am using canvas for my school.  My instructor has put all of her lectures 
 and handouts on canvas using powerpoint.  I am using a Mac.  I download 
 the powerpoint then how do I convert them so voice over will read them to 
 me?
 Thanks 
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Re: Converting power point into accessible format

[Suzanne Erb]

Hello,
You might try opening the Powerpoint in Keynote, then go to the View menu and 
go down to View as Outline and 
select that option.
You will be able to read the text, but it may not present some of the 
non-text materials. I’ve done it previously, and have been told that sometimes 
it does not provide everything; but it should give you enough information to be 
able to understand the Powerpoint.
HTH
Suzanne Erb

> On Feb 17, 2024, at 14:03, Rebecca Sabo  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I am having some trouble , I was wondering if anyone could help me out.  I am 
> using canvas for my school.  My instructor has put all of her lectures and 
> handouts on canvas using powerpoint.  I am using a Mac.  I download the 
> powerpoint than how do I convert them so voice over will read them to me?
> Thanks 
> Becky 
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Re: Shortcut for next and previous message.

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Hello,
I don’t know of a shortcut, but if you leave the message that you are currently 
reading open, then use Command plus accent, it will probably bring you back to 
your messages table. then you can just use your up and down arrows to find the 
next and previous messages. All this time, your message that you had ben been 
reading will still be there, right where you left it. It’s much simpler than it 
sounds.
So, not a real shortcut, but it does work.
Thanks,
Suzanne Erb
suze...@comcast.net

> On Feb 15, 2024, at 10:04, John Panarese  wrote:
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> That’s a good question. I don’t see anything in the menus that shows a 
> command to do that. If there is, it’s one of those obscure ones one often 
> discovers by accident.
> 
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>> On Feb 15, 2024, at 6:56 AM, 'Gary Price' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Morning everyone on here!
>> 
>> Well it's that time in the UK anyway.
>> 
>> Can I ask is there a shortcut in the native mail app on the mac for next and 
>> previous message, when an Email is actually open?
>> 
>> I'm not asking for myself, although it would be good to know, but for my 
>> friend who isn't a member Chris Graham in Australia.
>> 
>> Thanks very much, look forward to any responses!
>> Gary Price
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Re: A weird issue with typing in Sonoma

[Suzanne Erb]

Joseph,
I’m sorry about cluttering e-mail with a duplicate response which, if I had 
read the whole thread, I would have seen it. And now, I’ve cluttered your 
e-mail even further.
Have a great week.
Suzanne

> On Feb 4, 2024, at 16:31, joseph hudson  wrote:
> 
> Hi Suzanne, yes, that was the issue. As I told Greg, it is now turned off. 
> Thanks for responding also.
> 
>> On Feb 4, 2024, at 3:26 PM, Suzanne Erb  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> Do you have single key QuickNav on? If so, you will run into problems 
>> typing. I don’t know if this is a bug, or if it is a work in progress, but I 
>> keep having to turn it on and off, depending on what I’m trying to 
>> accomplish. Toggle Vo-Q for Single Key Quicknav on and off.
>> Good luck.
>> Suzanne
>> 
>>> On Feb 4, 2024, at 16:15, joseph hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Max, as I've already stated quit, navigation is already turned off. This 
>>> happens regardless, whether a quick navigation is turned on or turned off. 
>>> I actually have to turn it on and interact with the text in order to type.
>>> Joseph Hudson
>>> 
>>> EmailFaceTime/iMessage
>>> jhud7...@twc.com
>>> 
>>> Connect with me on zoom
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>>> https://us06web.zoom.us/j/3437608339?pwd=akNsMHlLTWsyWmk0UXdSaVdsSkhNUT09
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 4, 2024, at 2:31 PM, Max  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> this happened to me some week or so ago.
>>>> I think you have quick nav turned on. Sorry I can’t remember how I turned 
>>>> it off. I don’t have time to search how to do this now but if I don’t see 
>>>> an answer I will try later today.
>>>> Max.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 5 Feb 2024, at 07:17, joseph hudson  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi guys, so I've had a weird issue with typing in Sonoma that started 
>>>>> this morning. Anytime I want to use my physical keyboard on my computer. 
>>>>> Will not allow me to type. If I hit certain letters, it'll either tell me 
>>>>> not found. I have to interact with the text in order to type. This 
>>>>> happened so far in the spotlight, and in emails. Has anybody else 
>>>>> experienced this?
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Re: A weird issue with typing in Sonoma

[Suzanne Erb]

Hello,
Do you have single key QuickNav on? If so, you will run into problems typing. I 
don’t know if this is a bug, or if it is a work in progress, but I keep having 
to turn it on and off, depending on what I’m trying to accomplish. Toggle Vo-Q 
for Single Key Quicknav on and off.
Good luck.
Suzanne

> On Feb 4, 2024, at 16:15, joseph hudson  wrote:
> 
> Hi Max, as I've already stated quit, navigation is already turned off. This 
> happens regardless, whether a quick navigation is turned on or turned off. I 
> actually have to turn it on and interact with the text in order to type.
> Joseph Hudson
> 
> EmailFaceTime/iMessage
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> Connect with me on zoom
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>> On Feb 4, 2024, at 2:31 PM, Max  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> this happened to me some week or so ago.
>> I think you have quick nav turned on. Sorry I can’t remember how I turned it 
>> off. I don’t have time to search how to do this now but if I don’t see an 
>> answer I will try later today.
>> Max.
>> 
>>> On 5 Feb 2024, at 07:17, joseph hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi guys, so I've had a weird issue with typing in Sonoma that started this 
>>> morning. Anytime I want to use my physical keyboard on my computer. Will 
>>> not allow me to type. If I hit certain letters, it'll either tell me not 
>>> found. I have to interact with the text in order to type. This happened so 
>>> far in the spotlight, and in emails. Has anybody else experienced this?
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Re: Good recorder apps for the mac

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Hello,
If you’re just recording lectures using a Mac, you can use QuickTime Player. It 
comes already installed on your Mac.
HTH.

Suzanne
> On Jan 29, 2024, at 15:29, Rebecca Sabo  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> I was wondering what or which Mac apps are good to use to record lectures on ?
> Thank 
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Re: Reading on Pages and Text Edit

[Suzanne Erb]

I also wonder whether it might be helpful to contact Apple Accessibility 
877-204-3930. Perhaps you can show them what you are experiencing so that they 
can address it in a future update.
Best,
Suzanne Erb
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> On Jan 26, 2024, at 12:15, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
> Ok. You might want to try using another word processor like iText you can 
> get from the Mac App Store and see if that works.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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> Director
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> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
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> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2024, at 12:01 PM, moiz tundawala  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't want to open the file in a browser because I want to be able
>> to read and edit simultaneously.
>> Moiz.
>> 
>> On 1/26/24, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> I don't think QuickLook can be used to read a 300–400 page document.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2024, at 09:23, 'jason' via MacVisionaries
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Quick Look can also read a variety of file formats. When you want to edit,
>>> of course, you’ll need to use whichever editor you prefer.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on
>>> behalf of John Panarese 
>>> Date: Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 16:00
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Reading on Pages and Text Edit
>>> 
>>> Actually, Brad had a great idea. Try to open it in Safari and see how it
>>> reads there.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
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>>> Director
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>>> 
>>>> On Jan 25, 2024, at 3:27 PM, moiz tundawala 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi John,
>>>> 
>>>> Nice to know that you are on the group too.
>>>> 
>>>> Sadly it's not working out for me on Text Edit. I have tried all the
>>>> options that you suggested.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, I don't want to open the document in a web brouzer. This is because
>>>> I want to have the option of editing it if required.
>>>> 
>>>> On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 6:16:38 PM UTC wb...@swbell.net wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have you tried opening the file in a browser, such as Safari, Chrome or
>>>>> even Brave on your Mac?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 25, 2024, at 07:59, moiz tundawala  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for your response. As I mentioned, in Text Edit, I am not being
>>>>> able to read paragraph by paragraph. When Voiceover moves to a new page,
>>>>> it reads the first paragraph character by character. The subsequent
>>>>> paragraphs are read properly, and then once again after a page break,  I
>>>>> encounter the same problem.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have tried all possible options, with quick nav on and off, as well as
>>>>> keyboard commanders.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 5:12:10 PM UTC thepian...@gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For things of that length I usually convert to text and read in
>>>>>> TextEdit. I’ve never had a problem with that.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: macvisi...@googlegroups.com  on
>>>>>> behalf of moiz tundawala 
>>>>>> Date: Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 10:53 AM
>>>>>> To: MacVisionaries 
>>>>>> Subject: Reading on Pages and Text Edit
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 

Re: Braille SupportFixes

[Suzanne Erb]

Hello,
Have you contacted Apple Accessibility about the bugs you are experiencing? I 
know it sometimes feels like you’re talking to thin air, but they are more 
likely to fix things when bugs are documented with them.
It’s also particularly helpful if you can be specific and showing them actual 
examples that you are encountering.
Good luck.
Suzanne

> On Jan 19, 2024, at 06:30, roni mathew  wrote:
> 
> Hello, I’ve asked numerous times about this topic and was wondering if anyone 
> has heard any update; from Apple technology services  on this.
> 
> As Apple Accessibility is far-and-away still stronger than Google, there is 
> more to be desired in the areas of braille editting services.  when you type 
> in braille, or make proofs, you expect  consistency in what you are typing, 
> and accuracy in your proofing. After all, it's your voice coming through, 
> ideas and oppoions expessed, and you demand it state exactly what you intend. 
> Any print reader gets this. Your intelligence and expression shall not, and 
> should never, ever  be undermined at all by the technology/platform  that is 
> used.
> I make this statement out of general commendation for the progress in Apple 
> accessibility, with simultaneous sighing frustration about  this area of 
> braille editting and proofing. Specifically, the jumping of the braille 
> cursor, and irregular freezing and scrambling of braille characters while 
> typing, cursur movement, and while proofing documents of varying lengths, 
> whether in Apple Notes, mail, Google or other apps is, franly, at the present 
> time not to be the case any longer. This  is a matter of braille and general 
> literacy, so vital for the advancement of blind persons everywhere in 
> society. It is not just a lluxury, but is still being overlooked, or perhaps 
> not sufficiently addressed by Apple Accessibility: patchwork excuses being 
> given or suggested. 
> Anyone have suggestions on this, and if we have Apple Support available in 
> Visionaries here, please again do consider this less a complaint, and more 
> the strong potential for consistent growth and ability of the blind 
> everywhere to achieve our best, without the troughts and pitfalls of 
> technologies leaps with pitfalls.   No more of this in 2024;  please fix.
> 
> Thank you  They honestly should not be, not this long. 
> Roni Mathew
> The key to satisfaction is faithful service with a smile: the fruits/product 
> of which is a life of impact.
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2024, at 9:15 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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>> Go to System Preferences, and Software Updates.
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2024, at 18:44, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I keep getting a notification that updates need to be installed and asks 
>>> for my system password. I have had no luck in finding out exactly what 
>>> those updates are. suggestions please.
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: Zoomax E-reader again

[Suzanne Erb]

Hello,
When you remove your card, are they still in the internal drive of your Zoomax? 
When your sd or other device is attached to your Zoomax, all the files will 
appear in the book reader. 
If they are still on the internal drive, you can delete them if you 
don’t want them to remain there.

Suzanne

> On Jan 20, 2024, at 16:38, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> My E-reader has copied all the files from the sd card I have in it to its 
> internal files. I didn’t tell it to do this. does anybody know what makes 
> that happen?
> 
> thanks.
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Re: Question about outlook

[Suzanne Erb]

Hello,
At my most recent job, I was encouraged to use Outlook, but I didn’t. I was 
able to just set up my employer’s account in Mail. No one ever knew that I did 
not use Outlook.
I was surprised at how easy it was to set up.  I believe it was 
considered an "Exchange account'. Unfortunately, I don’t remember exactly how I 
did it, but it was certainly doable. All of my mail showed up in my"All 
Inboxes” section with no problem.
Perhaps someone else on the list can give you further instructions, but 
I can definitely say that I was  pleasantly surprised at how well it worked.
Also, I was able to use Pages and TextEdit for word processing. I was 
able to save documents as Word documents with no problem. Granted, I didn’t 
have to use crazy formatting, but I never had any issues
Hope everything works out well for you.
Suzanne

> On Jan 19, 2024, at 15:55, Rebecca Sabo  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> I have a couple of questions .  I have to use outlook for email through my 
> university.  I am using a Mac computer.  I was wondering what are the 
> commands to send a message?  What is the command to create a new message?  
> Also what is the command to reply back to a email in outlook?
> Thank you all 
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Re: Virus Alert Etc.

[Suzanne Erb]

Hi Jonathan,
Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, it didn’t work. 
Have a great day.
Suzanne


> On Jan 15, 2024, at 10:11, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
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> I haven’t seen one of these for a while, easiest thing to do is to turn off 
> your network. But that point the page  can’t go out and reload. And you can 
> close all of your Safari windows. it can also help if you have the develop 
> menu in safari available to Turn off JavaScript there.  is a shortcut key to 
> do that but I never remember it might be command shift J. 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 14, 2024, at 7:23 PM, Suzanne Erb  wrote:
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>> Hello Everyone,
>> I apologize in advance for the cross posting. I accidentally opened a 
>> website I didn’t want to open, and  ow I keep receiving messages that I need 
>> to renew my virus protection, which of course is a lot of junk.
>>   When I go into the notification Center, and hit VO-Command-Space, I can 
>> close it, but it comes right back. I know there is a way to clear this 
>> notice for good, but I can’t think of the keystrokes to accomplish this.  I 
>> have not activated anything, but I would like to get rid of this 
>> notification.
>> Thanks in advance for the assistance, and again, I am sorry for the 
>> cross-posting.
>> Be Well,
>> Suzanne
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Virus Alert Etc.

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Hello Everyone,
I apologize in advance for the cross posting. I accidentally opened a website I 
didn’t want to open, and  ow I keep receiving messages that I need to renew my 
virus protection, which of course is a lot of junk.
When I go into the notification Center, and hit VO-Command-Space, I can 
close it, but it comes right back. I know there is a way to clear this notice 
for good, but I can’t think of the keystrokes to accomplish this.  I have not 
activated anything, but I would like to get rid of this notification.
Thanks in advance for the assistance, and again, I am sorry for the 
cross-posting.
Be Well,
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Re: New Sonoma user has questions I’ve been using Catalina on a MacBook Air and my iOS device with iOS 17 for the longest time. Now I have a new MacBook Pro with Sonoma and I love the thing except for

[Suzanne Erb]

Hello,
The only way I have been able to get rid of things like disk not ejecting 
properly is holding down the Fn, VO, and hitting the o key. Then I get a menu 
with choices, including the close button.
That generally seems to work.
Happy notice squelching,
Suzanne

> On Dec 5, 2023, at 00:20, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Yes, but it seems that you cannot disable the most annoying system generated 
> notifications like a disk that was not ejected properly.
> 
> Dave Carlson
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> On Dec 4, 2023, at 5:58 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> You can go to the notification center to disable the one s you don’t want. 
> You can also access the center with Function N and VO Command Space to bring 
> up the Actions roter. You can dismiss them from there.
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Re: Focus Issues since Sonoma Upgrade

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Hello,
I’m on the phone with Apple Accessibility now.  Apparently, someone else has 
reported this issue.  Someone thought I was referring to iOS, but they did 
actually find a report of something similar happening on Sonoma.  Apparently, 
they are aware of the issue and are working in it.
I am on hold.  If I learn anything, I’ll report back.
Cheers,
Suzanne

> On Oct 3, 2023, at 12:00, Suzanne Erb  wrote:
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> Hello,
> Ever since upgrading to Sonoma, I have been experiencing focus issues. I’ve 
> gone over my settings, and I don’t think I’ve made any drastic changes that 
> could account for this.
> I can’t even write an e-mail without having to check it thoroughly.  I do 
> have my trackpad turned off.
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> Best,
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Focus Issues since Sonoma Upgrade

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Hello,
Ever since upgrading to Sonoma, I have been experiencing focus issues. I’ve 
gone over my settings, and I don’t think I’ve made any drastic changes that 
could account for this.
I can’t even write an e-mail without having to check it thoroughly.  I do have 
my trackpad turned off.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Working with textboxes in Microsoft Word on mac

[Suzanne Erb]

I would be interested as well. Thank you so much to anyone who can figure this 
out. Text boxes are the bane of my existence! I need to read so many documents 
that include them. Have a great day, Suzanne.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 1, 2023, at 09:01, Julie Rattray  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> I would be interested in this answer as I have honestly never found a way 
> 
>> On 15 Jul 2023, at 09:47, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi,
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>> Is it possible to work successfully with textboxes in Ms Word on the mac?  I 
>> mean move from one box to another, read its content and / or write in them?  
>> I have to fill in a questionnaire which is full of textboxes and I have no 
>> idea how to complete the task.
>> 
>> Many thanks for any tips.
>> 
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Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark

[Suzanne Erb]

Hello,
I don’t have any real preference for new features, but I would like to see 
stability, particularly in terms of Braille and SiRI.
Looking forward to WWDC, as always.
Suzanne

> On May 31, 2023, at 12:22, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Mark,
>   Rather than adding more features, I would much prefer the various OSs be 
> made more stable. Ventura and iOS need to be more polished. Especially 
> Voiceover voices.
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>> You know?  The only software feature that I really want added to the OS is
>> the ability to permanently save and organize iMessage content into folders.
>> Are there any features, accessibility-related or not, that you would like to
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Re: Anyone had mail problems with the latest Mac OS?

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Hi,
I have not noticed this.  I have a somewhat older Mac, too, and I have not 
noticed any sluggishness.
Suzanne

> On Apr 4, 2023, at 15:26, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> Since updating my system last week, I’ve noticed that my VO seems to become a 
> little sluggish when opening the default mail app. I’m running an Intel 2019 
> Mac. I did not notice anything before the update. I did try some things like 
> clearing out trash and resetting VO> I have also restarted my system. Has 
> anyone else experienced this or is it just my computer not liking me. 
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Sales Force Accessibility

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Hello,
Does anyone know about the level of accessibility of SalesForce for the Mac 
environment?  I may be using it in my new position.
Thanks, in advance, for your assistance.
Best Wishes,
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Re: youtube

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Hello,
I just used YouTube with the latest update to Ventura.  I do not have a paid 
account with Youtube, so I had to skip ads.  I had no problems.
Hope you get this resolved.
Suzanne

> On Feb 17, 2023, at 18:17, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> Keeping your system up-to-date should help. I am not having any issues, but I 
> am a Youtube Premium subscriber which means no adds.
> 
>> On Feb 17, 2023, at 15:17, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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>> I’ve been having a lot of trouble with youtube lately. it might be because 
>> I’m not up to date on my os. safari gets all tangled up when I try to find 
>> the “skip ads” button and I’ve had some trouble with videos playing with 
>> lots of glitches and stops and starts. is this just me or is anybody else 
>> having trouble like this?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: Accessibility on Mac OS with VoiceOver

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Try using the Caps Lock for VOkey.  Also try using qucik nav.
This simplifies things immensely.
Suzanne

> On Jan 26, 2023, at 10:04, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> I agree about the VO keys.  Many things on the Mac require the use of several 
> keys at once that on Windows can be accomplished with just one or two keys.
> Cheers,
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>> On Jan 26, 2023, at 8:45 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
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>> the vo keys drive me nuts. I mean every time I have had a mac before
>> now using so many keys for certain things have made me go crazy, but
>> part of that is because I don't know all the little tricks around all
>> of that. Logic and work is one of the reasons I have decided to get
>> another Mac Book Pro. OH yeah and audio hijack sounds amazing, and I
>> can't for get wanting to try out Xcode. I will just have to force
>> myself to use the Macbook more than my windows pc for a couple weeks.
>> 
>> On 1/26/23, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
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>>> I do use both.  I teach online, and I do prefer to do most of my teaching
>>> stuff on the PC.  However, to be fair, I’m not sure whether my feeling that
>>> that is easier is because it really is easier, or because it’s habit and I
>>> have good muscle memory for it.  On the other hand, I prefer to do most
>>> media related stuff on my Mac.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Jan 26, 2023, at 6:27 AM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
 
 I personally have not noticed any degradation of accessibility on the
 MacOS platforms.  I suspect that the old adage “Familiarity breeds
 contempt” may be at play here!
 
 Furthermore, unless someone is using both MacOS with VoiceOver and
 MS-Windows with JAWS (or an alternative screen reader) what would be the
 basis of comparison anyway?
 
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Re: Accessibility on Mac OS with VoiceOver

[Suzanne Erb]

I have found that I can read Microsoft materials just fine on my Mac, and I can 
save materials written in Pages, Numbers, etc., as Microsoft Word or Excel 
formats, whichever is necessary.  
Microsoft Teams is a bit of a problem, but then again, Teams takes some 
getting used to, and Microsoft should address this.
I can participate in meetings using Teams, but I have not figured out how to 
schedule meetings using Teams.
I have also ben able to participate in chats using Teams, but it is not 
my preferred way for conversing with others on my team.
Suzanne

> On Jan 25, 2023, at 13:34, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
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> I have a MacBook Pro M1 16 GB, 1TB and a Windows i7 9th Gen 32GB, 1TB SSD 
> Windows 11 Pro running Jaws 2023. 
> I feel as if VoiceOver is continually improving and has not lost 
> accessibility. Although this is my first Mac I have been exposed to the Apple 
> environment for years as a retired instructor of Assistive Technology and 
> before that a Teacher and I have seen Apple make tremendous strides in both 
> technology and Accessibility.
> 
> I use both my windows 11 Pro and my Ventura 13.2 Mac hard. Neither one is 
> slow. Although I am grateful for the greater flexibility that Jaws offers me 
> when working with Office applications, I am also grateful for the greater 
> flexibility and functionality that the Mac and Voiceover offers me with Audio 
> Applications.
> 
> Merv
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>> On Jan 25, 2023, at 1:24 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
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>> sure you can. It could be so much better. I don't feel like it were
>> the same teams working on the Iphones accessibility. I really need to
>> get better with a mac but I always feel like it is so slow.
>> 
>> On 1/25/23, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
>> wrote:
>>>   Nothing is ever perfect but and Voiceover will always need work. But
>>> at least with Ventura 13.2 things are much better. Can't compare to Jaws
>>> or NVDA for those are not macOS.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>>> --John F. Kennedy
>>> My e-Mail:
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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>>> On 1/25/2023 9:56 AM, Tibor Niesner wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 what do you think about the accessibility on Mac OS?
 Do you think accessibility is worse and worse? Or what do you see it?
 I think that Mac OS is usable with VoiceOver. Because people say that
 accessibility on Mac OS with VoiceOver is worse and worse.
 
 Thank you.
 
 Best regard
 
 Tibor Niesner
 
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Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

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Hello,
I almost never use my thumbs to type.  My thumbs are rather small, so I 
primarily use my index finger to type.  Sometimes I type with my left hand, 
sometimes my right.  I always use touch typing.
When actually sending a text, I often use the dictate feature within 
the messages app itself, and then correct mistakes once it’s been typed.  I 
find that Siri works better sending texts within the messages app, rather than 
just asking her to send a text from outside the app.
Suzanne


> On Jan 18, 2023, at 01:55, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello All,
> 
> A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS, when
> sending text messages.
> 
> It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though I know
> that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on iPhone,
> personally I find the technique slow and awkward.
> 
> How do I enter text in iOS?
> 
> First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."
> 
> Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the display
> when not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the phone in one
> hand, fingers-free.
> 
> When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the wallet
> side to the left and the phone to the right.  I position the phone case in
> the crook of my left hand (where the base of my thumb meets my hand) so that
> the back of the phone, in the case of course, is resting against the palm of
> my left hand, leaving all five digits on my left hand, free.  
> 
> The wallet side of the case acts as a kind of counter balance so that the
> phone does not slip out of my hand, even when the phone is tilted, off-axis,
> so to speak.
> 
> I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the left
> side of the onscreen keyboard and the index finger of my right hand, to
> access the letters and numbers located on the right side of the onscreen
> keyboard.
> 
> I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; except in
> that instance, I use my right index finger, only.
> 
> Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.  
> 
> How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?
> 
> When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).
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> Mark
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Re: R.I.P Tim Kilburn

[Suzanne Erb]

My prayers and best wishes go to his family and all his friends.  He was truly 
a git to the community. May he rest in peace.
Suzanne

> On Dec 16, 2022, at 21:33, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> Oh, I am stumped and shocked, I wished if the news is false. Very 
> knowledgeable and helpful guy. RIP, my friend, you left us said.
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> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2022 6:02 PM
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> Wow!  I knew Tim had a brain tumor, but I was hopeful for his recovery.
>  
> Tim was my go-to person.  He was the best person I knew for answering Mac 
> questions.  He was always generous with his help, and never judgmental about 
> what you did or didn’t know.
>  
> Does anyone know about his funeral arrangements?  Is there any fund we can 
> contribute to?
> Best,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2022, at 7:16 PM, John Panarese > > wrote:
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>> Thoughts and prayers definitely go out from here. He will be sorely 
>> missed in the blindness community and among the blind Apple users.
>>  
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
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>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
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>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
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>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
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>>> On Dec 16, 2022, at 6:52 PM, Kliph >> > wrote:
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 It is with a heavy heart that I inform all of you that our good Friend Tim 
 Kilburn lost his battle with glioblastoma this past wednesday. He was a 
 great co worker, he knew his apple products, and if he didn’t know it, 
 then it hadn’t been invented yet.  We worked on a lot of projects over the 
 years. He taught me a lot, and he will be missed greatly! Here at 
 SturItUp, TTJTech.biz , and MacForTheBlind we send 
 our condolences to his wife and Children. John Matt and I had great times 
 with Tim, he had a one of a kind since of humor.  So again Tim, rest in 
 Peace, and we will see you on the other side. Your life time Student.
 Kliph!
 
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Re: Some Mac questions

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Hello,
The command for sending an e-mail is Command-Shift-D.
In general, to find application specific commands for each application, 
use your voice-Over keys plus m
 to view th menus.  Use your right and left arrows to navigate between 
categories, and the up and down arrows to look at all the choices unbder each 
menu.
If I need to provide a document in Word format, I usually write the 
document in Pages and save it as a .docx file.  
If I generally use TextEdit or Pages.
Best,
Suzanne
> On Aug 14, 2022, at 16:37, Rebecca Sabo  wrote:
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> Hi all 
> I have some Mac questions again.
> What is the command to send a email ?
> I installed Microsoft word on my Mac , what are the different commands in 
> editing a document?
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