Re: Alternativ web browser

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

I find myself using Brave more and more often.  Very fast.  Download it from 
www.brave.com  and look for an appropriate platform.  
You can install Brave on all your devices and have them synced.

Andrew

> On 24 Feb 2022, at 08:29, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> several times people wrote of the annoiing busy-message of Safari. It my 
> opinion it’s getting even worse. 
> 
> So has anyone experiences in using different browsers and whether this solves 
> the issue? Or do all web browsers use the same engine and produce the same 
> delay?
> 
> Thanks and all the best
> Jürgen
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Re: Alternativ web browser

[Jürgen Fleger]

Thanks to all for your suggestions.
All the best
Jürgen


> Am 26.02.2022 um 20:27 schrieb Terje Strømberg :
> 
> Firefox focus is a new Firefox browser that is a version of Firefox private 
> mode. Firefox Focus is even more private with almost no added features. It 
> has update websites and delete websites. Also settings where you can choose 
> to open the website in Firefox Chrome or standard browser. Firefox Focus app 
> in app store. For the moment i am using iPad. It may work well with voiceover 
> on mac too.
> 
> Take care 
> 
> 
> 
> fre. 25. feb. 2022 kl. 17:51 skrev Jonathan Cohn  >:
> No, Chrome and Edge use the same basic engine, but might use slightly 
> different ways to communicate with VoiceOver.
> Firefox uses a third web rendering tool.
> I am truly amazed at this complaint, I have 7 year old Macintosh running the 
> latest MacOS, and find Safari and VoiceOver are generally working better 
> together than when I first got the computer.
> That being said, websites that are using a lot of JavaScript to move items 
> around visually or constantly update a panel with new items are often 
> problematic with VoiceOver. Also, some sites will provide more information 
> about a point on the screen when the mouse is moved over that point. If Mouse 
> follows VoiceOver cursor is on for these sites, then there might be a delay 
> as the additional information is populated from the DOM to the AOM to 
> VoiceOver. You can create a Macintosh activity to temporarily change Mouse 
> follows behavior, for these sites.
> Jonathan
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 24, 2022, at 03:29, Jürgen Fleger > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> several times people wrote of the annoiing busy-message of Safari. It my 
>> opinion it’s getting even worse. 
>> 
>> So has anyone experiences in using different browsers and whether this 
>> solves the issue? Or do all web browsers use the same engine and produce the 
>> same delay?
>> 
>> Thanks and all the best
>> Jürgen
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Re: Alternativ web browser

[Terje Strømberg]

Firefox focus is a new Firefox browser that is a version of Firefox private
mode. Firefox Focus is even more private with almost no added features. It
has update websites and delete websites. Also settings where you can choose
to open the website in Firefox Chrome or standard browser. Firefox Focus
app in app store. For the moment i am using iPad. It may work well with
voiceover on mac too.

Take care



fre. 25. feb. 2022 kl. 17:51 skrev Jonathan Cohn :

> No, Chrome and Edge use the same basic engine, but might use slightly
> different ways to communicate with VoiceOver.
> Firefox uses a third web rendering tool.
> I am truly amazed at this complaint, I have 7 year old Macintosh running
> the latest MacOS, and find Safari and VoiceOver are generally working
> better together than when I first got the computer.
> That being said, websites that are using a lot of JavaScript to move items
> around visually or constantly update a panel with new items are often
> problematic with VoiceOver. Also, some sites will provide more information
> about a point on the screen when the mouse is moved over that point. If
> Mouse follows VoiceOver cursor is on for these sites, then there might be a
> delay as the additional information is populated from the DOM to the AOM to
> VoiceOver. You can create a Macintosh activity to temporarily change Mouse
> follows behavior, for these sites.
> Jonathan
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan Cohn
>
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2022, at 03:29, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> several times people wrote of the annoiing busy-message of Safari. It my
> opinion it’s getting even worse.
>
> So has anyone experiences in using different browsers and whether this
> solves the issue? Or do all web browsers use the same engine and produce
> the same delay?
>
> Thanks and all the best
> Jürgen
>
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Re: Alternativ web browser

[Jonathan Cohn]

No, Chrome and Edge use the same basic engine, but might use slightly different 
ways to communicate with VoiceOver.
Firefox uses a third web rendering tool.
I am truly amazed at this complaint, I have 7 year old Macintosh running the 
latest MacOS, and find Safari and VoiceOver are generally working better 
together than when I first got the computer.
That being said, websites that are using a lot of JavaScript to move items 
around visually or constantly update a panel with new items are often 
problematic with VoiceOver. Also, some sites will provide more information 
about a point on the screen when the mouse is moved over that point. If Mouse 
follows VoiceOver cursor is on for these sites, then there might be a delay as 
the additional information is populated from the DOM to the AOM to VoiceOver. 
You can create a Macintosh activity to temporarily change Mouse follows 
behavior, for these sites.
Jonathan

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Feb 24, 2022, at 03:29, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> several times people wrote of the annoiing busy-message of Safari. It my 
> opinion it’s getting even worse. 
> 
> So has anyone experiences in using different browsers and whether this solves 
> the issue? Or do all web browsers use the same engine and produce the same 
> delay?
> 
> Thanks and all the best
> Jürgen
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Re: Alternativ web browser

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I use firefox sometimes and it works quite well I think.
The issue with that browser is that VoiceOver announces that Firefox has new 
window every now and then.
/A

> 24 feb. 2022 kl. 09:29 skrev Jürgen Fleger :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> several times people wrote of the annoiing busy-message of Safari. It my 
> opinion it’s getting even worse. 
> 
> So has anyone experiences in using different browsers and whether this solves 
> the issue? Or do all web browsers use the same engine and produce the same 
> delay?
> 
> Thanks and all the best
> Jürgen
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Re: Alternativ web browser

[Herbie Allen]

I have used Chrome and don’t get the busy message. 

> On Feb 24, 2022, at 02:29, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> several times people wrote of the annoiing busy-message of Safari. It my 
> opinion it’s getting even worse. 
> 
> So has anyone experiences in using different browsers and whether this solves 
> the issue? Or do all web browsers use the same engine and produce the same 
> delay?
> 
> Thanks and all the best
> Jürgen
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Alternativ web browser

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi,

several times people wrote of the annoiing busy-message of Safari. It my 
opinion it’s getting even worse. 

So has anyone experiences in using different browsers and whether this solves 
the issue? Or do all web browsers use the same engine and produce the same 
delay?

Thanks and all the best
Jürgen

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