Re: Alternative Browsers for Mac

[E.T.]

   It sure is not accessible. I just installed the current version 
which is 43. Not a peep out of the app.


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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 1/11/2016 9:40 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

You have?  The latest stable Firefox release is now accessible on OS X, is it?  
I’m reluctant to try it again and be disappointed again …



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Re: Alternative Browsers for Mac

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

That was my suspicion.  Thank you for the confirmation.

Yeah, for Singing Sparrow.  Can you give us an audio file showing it working 
reliably?


Chris.

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From: "E.T." <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>

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Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: Alternative Browsers for Mac


   It sure is not accessible. I just installed the current version
which is 43. Not a peep out of the app.

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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 1/11/2016 9:40 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
You have?  The latest stable Firefox release is now accessible on OS X, is 
it?  I’m reluctant to try it again and be disappointed again …




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Re: Alternative Browsers for Mac

[Ray Foret Jr]

I am with Christopher in this matter.  I too would like a demo.  Last time I 
tried Firefox, (admitedly a while ago) I had absolutely no success with it what 
so ever.  
!

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Jan 11, 2016, at 2:06 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I tend to be right there with Sadam.  We don't disbelieve you, but it 
> definitely isn't working over here.  I deliberetly booted up a Yosemite 
> installation I have on an external drive, installed the most recent version 
> from
> 
> http://www.getfirefox.com
> 
> and I'm very sorry to bust your bubble, Mr. Sparrow, but it's not working 
> hardly at all here in regards to reading the web content area.  It works, 
> yes, but each time I down arrow, or for that mind, hit vo+right arrow, It 
> almost 100% of the time for about 10 seconds goes busy.
> 
> Even quick nav doesn't help, and neither does numpad commander, so don't go 
> there.
> 
> Again, can you make an audio demo demonstration which not only shows you 
> navigating successfully and responsively but also shows us you openning the 
> browser either from your finder, or from your dock?
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" <listse...@me.com>
> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 12:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Alternative Browsers for Mac
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> 
> You have?  The latest stable Firefox release is now accessible on OS X, is 
> it?  I’m reluctant to try it again and be disappointed again …
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Re: Alternative Browsers for Mac

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I know it does, but did you not see the initial poster's comments?  They flat 
out said they didn't want to use Chrome.

Therefore, I was giving another alternative.  Trust me, I know how Chrome 
works, and use it myself once in a while.

Chris.

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  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 3:59 PM
  Subject: Re: Alternative Browsers for Mac


  Chrome has great performance, features, accessibility, and extensions

  On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:

What about lightning web browser?  It's in the mac app store.  I don't
hardly ever use it, but it's there if you wanna try it.

Chris.

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Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 3:37 PM
Subject: Alternative Browsers for Mac


Dear List, I have been using sleipnir browser on my mac for a long time, but
recently there has been a major reduction in performance.  I wondered if
anyone knew of another voice over accessible safari alternative. I know that
chrome works, but I hate google, and firefox just keeps saying busy, and is
completely unusable.

Many Thanks, Lee

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Re: Alternative Browsers for Mac

[Kevin Chao]

What's the issue with Chrome?
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 5:19 AM Christopher-Mark Gilland <
clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> One reason I don't hardly ever use Chrome, admittedly.
>
> Heck, I won't even use it on my Nexus 6, unless I absolutely absolutely
> absolutely have to as a last resort.  But, that's neither here nor there.
>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "John Panarese" <jpanar...@gmail.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 4:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Alternative Browsers for Mac
>
>
>   Yeah, it’s best to turn off all of their spying. They are the one browser
> that has been documented phones home with quite a bit of data, though they
> deny otherwise.
>
>
> Take Care
>
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> > On Jan 10, 2016, at 4:27 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > mmm, Chrome.  Google “Chrome privacy whitepaper” for a way to turn off
> all
> > the spying.  Chrome is the least Googly of the Google products.
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Re: Alternative Browsers for Mac

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

One reason I don't hardly ever use Chrome, admittedly.

Heck, I won't even use it on my Nexus 6, unless I absolutely absolutely 
absolutely have to as a last resort.  But, that's neither here nor there.


Chris.

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Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: Alternative Browsers for Mac


 Yeah, it’s best to turn off all of their spying. They are the one browser 
that has been documented phones home with quite a bit of data, though they 
deny otherwise.



Take Care

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On Jan 10, 2016, at 4:27 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com> 
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mmm, Chrome.  Google “Chrome privacy whitepaper” for a way to turn off all 
the spying.  Chrome is the least Googly of the Google products.


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Re: Alternative Browsers for Mac

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Not really, no.  It's pretty disgusting!  They keep saying they're gonna fix 
it, but never do.  I've pretty much given up entirely on the Mozilla 
project.  The only place I find Firefox honestly to be worthwhile is on 
Android, but again, that's neither here nor there.  Make it clear that I'm 
not saying it doesn't perform well on I O S.  It does, but I honestly, call 
me stupid if you wish to do so, don't find a need for it there.  Why, when 
Safari works beautifully for the most part on I O S to start with.  OK, yes, 
there are some places where it may perform not so well, but you're gonna get 
that with all web browsers to some degree.


I have Firefox on my IPhone as a backup, but it only gets opened maybe once 
every few weeks.  In fact, I don't even recall the last time that I did! 
open it.


Chris.

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Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 2:21 AM
Subject: RE: Alternative Browsers for Mac


Is firefox accessible with VO yet?

I know it works on the iPhone, but haven't heard if it's working yet with 
the mac os C>




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mmm, Chrome.  Google “Chrome privacy whitepaper” for a way to turn off all 
the spying.  Chrome is the least Googly of the Google products.


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Re: Alternative Browsers for Mac

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

It’s not entirely Mozilla’s fault that Firefox isn’t accessible on OS X, 
though.  The way that Apple makes accessibility APIs heavily dependent on cocoa 
and Objective-C is a big part of it.

Which is a shame, because I’d love to be able to use Thunderbird on OS X, too.

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Re: Alternative Browsers for Mac

[Singing Sparrow]

strange i have gotten fire fox to work with osx yosemity just fine.

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It’s not entirely Mozilla’s fault that Firefox isn’t accessible on OS X, 
though.  The way that Apple makes accessibility APIs heavily dependent on cocoa 
and Objective-C is a big part of it.

Which is a shame, because I’d love to be able to use Thunderbird on OS X, too.




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Re: Alternative Browsers for Mac

[Mike Arrigo]

Safari and chrome are your best bets, I mostly just use safari, works 
great so why fix something that's not broken.

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wondered if anyone knew of another voice over accessible safari 
alternative. I know that chrome works, but I hate google, and firefox 
just keeps saying busy, and is completely unusable.



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Re: Alternative Browsers for Mac

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

You have?  The latest stable Firefox release is now accessible on OS X, is it?  
I’m reluctant to try it again and be disappointed again …

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Re: Alternative Browsers for Mac

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I tend to be right there with Sadam.  We don't disbelieve you, but it 
definitely isn't working over here.  I deliberetly booted up a Yosemite 
installation I have on an external drive, installed the most recent version 
from


http://www.getfirefox.com

and I'm very sorry to bust your bubble, Mr. Sparrow, but it's not working 
hardly at all here in regards to reading the web content area.  It works, 
yes, but each time I down arrow, or for that mind, hit vo+right arrow, It 
almost 100% of the time for about 10 seconds goes busy.


Even quick nav doesn't help, and neither does numpad commander, so don't go 
there.


Again, can you make an audio demo demonstration which not only shows you 
navigating successfully and responsively but also shows us you openning the 
browser either from your finder, or from your dock?


Chris.

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You have?  The latest stable Firefox release is now accessible on OS X, is 
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Re: Alternative Browsers for Mac

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You're kidding me!  And it didn't say busy busy busy almost constantly?

You're definitely the first one I know then who has gotten it to work.  I 
didn't say it's not accessible.  I just said when navigating through the 
content of any web site, it locks up almost constantly.


Can you perhaps record an audio demo showing this to us?  It's not I don't 
believe you, but I just find it very very surprising.


Chris.

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strange i have gotten fire fox to work with osx yosemity just fine.

On 1/11/2016 11:09 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
It’s not entirely Mozilla’s fault that Firefox isn’t accessible on OS X, 
though.  The way that Apple makes accessibility APIs heavily dependent on 
cocoa and Objective-C is a big part of it.


Which is a shame, because I’d love to be able to use Thunderbird on OS X, 
too.





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Re: Alternative Browsers for Mac

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Shruggs.  Good point, and well taken.

Chris.

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It’s not entirely Mozilla’s fault that Firefox isn’t accessible on OS X, 
though.  The way that Apple makes accessibility APIs heavily dependent on 
cocoa and Objective-C is a big part of it.


Which is a shame, because I’d love to be able to use Thunderbird on OS X, 
too.


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RE: Alternative Browsers for Mac

[Simon Fogarty]

Is firefox accessible with VO yet?

 I know it works on the iPhone, but haven't heard if it's working yet with the 
mac os C>



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mmm, Chrome.  Google “Chrome privacy whitepaper” for a way to turn off all the 
spying.  Chrome is the least Googly of the Google products.

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Alternative Browsers for Mac

[Lee Jones]

Dear List, I have been using sleipnir browser on my mac for a long time, but 
recently there has been a major reduction in performance.  I wondered if anyone 
knew of another voice over accessible safari alternative. I know that chrome 
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Re: Alternative Browsers for Mac

[Kevin Chao]

Chrome has great performance, features, accessibility, and extensions
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 12:43 PM Christopher-Mark Gilland <
clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> What about lightning web browser?  It's in the mac app store.  I don't
> hardly ever use it, but it's there if you wanna try it.
>
> Chris.
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Re: Alternative Browsers for Mac

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  Yeah, it’s best to turn off all of their spying. They are the one browser 
that has been documented phones home with quite a bit of data, though they deny 
otherwise.


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Re: Alternative Browsers for Mac

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What about lightning web browser?  It's in the mac app store.  I don't 
hardly ever use it, but it's there if you wanna try it.


Chris.

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Re: Alternative Browsers for Mac

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mmm, Chrome.  Google “Chrome privacy whitepaper” for a way to turn off all the 
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