Re: Anyone else having trouble dictating messages on their watch since WatchOs 8?

2021-10-16 Thread Brad Snyder
The items are not labeled, and VoiceOver does not speak what these items are.

- Brad -


On Oct 16, 2021, at 19:53, Brett Campbell  wrote:

Does anybody know what the items/clicks are that we’re swiping past to get to 
the end to stop dictation?



> On Oct 16, 2021, at 12:52 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Also, that’s an awful lot of swiping to the right. The whole point of being 
> able to message from your watch is that it be quick, convenient, and easy. By 
> the time I do all that I might as well just get my phone out and message from 
> my phone.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2021, at 1:44 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey, Brad,
>> 
>> I have no idea how you figured that out. Once I press the dictate button, 
>> VoiceOver completely goes silent. So I had no knowledge that I was expected 
>> to swipe all the way to the right and then tap again. I don’t even know what 
>> the button is that’s all the way to the right. Maybe it’s not a disaster, 
>> but I definitely think Apple could’ve done a better job of making this 
>> version of messages on the watch accessible.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2021, at 1:23 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I do not find that the messaging app is a disaster at all. It has just 
>>> changed. You must first navigate to the message edit field, and do a one 
>>> finger double tap to activate it. Once activated, then swipe to the 
>>> dictation button and dictate as in the past. Once finished dictating, you 
>>> should swipe right until you cannot swipe right anymore, then do a one 
>>> finger double tap to complete the dictation process. you will then find 
>>> your dictated message in the message edit field, where you can edit the 
>>> dictated message or add emojis to it if you wish. once you have finished 
>>> and are ready to send your message, swipe less to the send button, then 
>>> double tap to send your message.
>>> That's it.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2021, at 13:07, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna!
>>> Oh Yeah this is an annoying issue I have.
>>> There seems to be a text field also that you can type in.
>>> But yes the messages and also messenger apps are a disaster.
>>> /A
>>> 
> 16 okt. 2021 kl. 14:56 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
 
 Hi all,
 
 Ever since upgrading to WatchOS 8, I am unable to dictate messages.  I can 
 get dictation to start, but I can rarely get it to stop, and I can’t get 
 VO to read back to me what I have dictated, so I can make sure it’s right 
 before sending the message. Anyone have any idea what might be going on?  
 I use the watch for messaging a lot, so this is a major inconvenience.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Re: Anyone else having trouble dictating messages on their watch since WatchOs 8?

2021-10-16 Thread Brett Campbell
Does anybody know what the items/clicks are that we’re swiping past to get to 
the end to stop dictation?



> On Oct 16, 2021, at 12:52 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Also, that’s an awful lot of swiping to the right. The whole point of being 
> able to message from your watch is that it be quick, convenient, and easy. By 
> the time I do all that I might as well just get my phone out and message from 
> my phone.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2021, at 1:44 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey, Brad,
>> 
>> I have no idea how you figured that out. Once I press the dictate button, 
>> VoiceOver completely goes silent. So I had no knowledge that I was expected 
>> to swipe all the way to the right and then tap again. I don’t even know what 
>> the button is that’s all the way to the right. Maybe it’s not a disaster, 
>> but I definitely think Apple could’ve done a better job of making this 
>> version of messages on the watch accessible.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2021, at 1:23 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I do not find that the messaging app is a disaster at all. It has just 
>>> changed. You must first navigate to the message edit field, and do a one 
>>> finger double tap to activate it. Once activated, then swipe to the 
>>> dictation button and dictate as in the past. Once finished dictating, you 
>>> should swipe right until you cannot swipe right anymore, then do a one 
>>> finger double tap to complete the dictation process. you will then find 
>>> your dictated message in the message edit field, where you can edit the 
>>> dictated message or add emojis to it if you wish. once you have finished 
>>> and are ready to send your message, swipe less to the send button, then 
>>> double tap to send your message.
>>> That's it.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2021, at 13:07, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna!
>>> Oh Yeah this is an annoying issue I have.
>>> There seems to be a text field also that you can type in.
>>> But yes the messages and also messenger apps are a disaster.
>>> /A
>>> 
> 16 okt. 2021 kl. 14:56 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
 
 Hi all,
 
 Ever since upgrading to WatchOS 8, I am unable to dictate messages.  I can 
 get dictation to start, but I can rarely get it to stop, and I can’t get 
 VO to read back to me what I have dictated, so I can make sure it’s right 
 before sending the message. Anyone have any idea what might be going on?  
 I use the watch for messaging a lot, so this is a major inconvenience.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Re: Anyone else having trouble dictating messages on their watch since WatchOs 8?

2021-10-16 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
Also, that’s an awful lot of swiping to the right. The whole point of being 
able to message from your watch is that it be quick, convenient, and easy. By 
the time I do all that I might as well just get my phone out and message from 
my phone.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2021, at 1:44 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hey, Brad,
> 
> I have no idea how you figured that out. Once I press the dictate button, 
> VoiceOver completely goes silent. So I had no knowledge that I was expected 
> to swipe all the way to the right and then tap again. I don’t even know what 
> the button is that’s all the way to the right. Maybe it’s not a disaster, but 
> I definitely think Apple could’ve done a better job of making this version of 
> messages on the watch accessible.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2021, at 1:23 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> I do not find that the messaging app is a disaster at all. It has just 
>> changed. You must first navigate to the message edit field, and do a one 
>> finger double tap to activate it. Once activated, then swipe to the 
>> dictation button and dictate as in the past. Once finished dictating, you 
>> should swipe right until you cannot swipe right anymore, then do a one 
>> finger double tap to complete the dictation process. you will then find your 
>> dictated message in the message edit field, where you can edit the dictated 
>> message or add emojis to it if you wish. once you have finished and are 
>> ready to send your message, swipe less to the send button, then double tap 
>> to send your message.
>> That's it.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Oct 16, 2021, at 13:07, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna!
>> Oh Yeah this is an annoying issue I have.
>> There seems to be a text field also that you can type in.
>> But yes the messages and also messenger apps are a disaster.
>> /A
>> 
 16 okt. 2021 kl. 14:56 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 :
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Ever since upgrading to WatchOS 8, I am unable to dictate messages.  I can 
>>> get dictation to start, but I can rarely get it to stop, and I can’t get VO 
>>> to read back to me what I have dictated, so I can make sure it’s right 
>>> before sending the message. Anyone have any idea what might be going on?  I 
>>> use the watch for messaging a lot, so this is a major inconvenience.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Anyone else having trouble dictating messages on their watch since WatchOs 8?

2021-10-16 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
Hey, Brad,

I have no idea how you figured that out. Once I press the dictate button, 
VoiceOver completely goes silent. So I had no knowledge that I was expected to 
swipe all the way to the right and then tap again. I don’t even know what the 
button is that’s all the way to the right. Maybe it’s not a disaster, but I 
definitely think Apple could’ve done a better job of making this version of 
messages on the watch accessible.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2021, at 1:23 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I do not find that the messaging app is a disaster at all. It has just 
> changed. You must first navigate to the message edit field, and do a one 
> finger double tap to activate it. Once activated, then swipe to the dictation 
> button and dictate as in the past. Once finished dictating, you should swipe 
> right until you cannot swipe right anymore, then do a one finger double tap 
> to complete the dictation process. you will then find your dictated message 
> in the message edit field, where you can edit the dictated message or add 
> emojis to it if you wish. once you have finished and are ready to send your 
> message, swipe less to the send button, then double tap to send your message.
> That's it.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Oct 16, 2021, at 13:07, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna!
> Oh Yeah this is an annoying issue I have.
> There seems to be a text field also that you can type in.
> But yes the messages and also messenger apps are a disaster.
> /A
> 
>> 16 okt. 2021 kl. 14:56 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Ever since upgrading to WatchOS 8, I am unable to dictate messages.  I can 
>> get dictation to start, but I can rarely get it to stop, and I can’t get VO 
>> to read back to me what I have dictated, so I can make sure it’s right 
>> before sending the message. Anyone have any idea what might be going on?  I 
>> use the watch for messaging a lot, so this is a major inconvenience.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
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Re: Anyone else having trouble dictating messages on their watch since WatchOs 8?

2021-10-16 Thread Brad Snyder
I do not find that the messaging app is a disaster at all. It has just changed. 
You must first navigate to the message edit field, and do a one finger double 
tap to activate it. Once activated, then swipe to the dictation button and 
dictate as in the past. Once finished dictating, you should swipe right until 
you cannot swipe right anymore, then do a one finger double tap to complete the 
dictation process. you will then find your dictated message in the message edit 
field, where you can edit the dictated message or add emojis to it if you wish. 
once you have finished and are ready to send your message, swipe less to the 
send button, then double tap to send your message.
That's it.

HTH.

- Brad -

On Oct 16, 2021, at 13:07, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi Donna!
Oh Yeah this is an annoying issue I have.
There seems to be a text field also that you can type in.
But yes the messages and also messenger apps are a disaster.
/A

> 16 okt. 2021 kl. 14:56 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Ever since upgrading to WatchOS 8, I am unable to dictate messages.  I can 
> get dictation to start, but I can rarely get it to stop, and I can’t get VO 
> to read back to me what I have dictated, so I can make sure it’s right before 
> sending the message. Anyone have any idea what might be going on?  I use the 
> watch for messaging a lot, so this is a major inconvenience.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Anyone else having trouble dictating messages on their watch since WatchOs 8?

2021-10-16 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi Donna!
Oh Yeah this is an annoying issue I have.
There seems to be a text field also that you can type in.
But yes the messages and also messenger apps are a disaster.
/A

> 16 okt. 2021 kl. 14:56 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Ever since upgrading to WatchOS 8, I am unable to dictate messages.  I can 
> get dictation to start, but I can rarely get it to stop, and I can’t get VO 
> to read back to me what I have dictated, so I can make sure it’s right before 
> sending the message. Anyone have any idea what might be going on?  I use the 
> watch for messaging a lot, so this is a major inconvenience.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Anyone else having trouble dictating messages on their watch since WatchOs 8?

2021-10-16 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
Huh!  This is something Apple needs to fix.  I don’t really like tapping on 
things when I don’t know what I’m tapping on.  Also, I really don’t want my 
messages sent until I’m ready to send them.  I think I will write to Apple 
Accessibility about this.  But I appreciate the explanation of how you do this, 
and I’ll give it a try.  And, I do agree, it’s nice to be able to add emogis.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 16, 2021, at 8:05 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
> It is true that it is much less convenient to dictate under Watch OS8.
> 
> What I do, once I am done dictating, is one finger double tap, swipe once to 
> the right and one finger double tap again.  Not sure what I’m tapping on, but 
> that stops dictation and then I can swipe left until I get back to the text 
> field so I can review what I have dictated.
> 
> Sometimes, when I one finger double tap, the message just sends 
> automatically.  Not sure why as VoiceOver is pretty quiet at that time.
> 
> The nice thing about this annoyance is that you can then add emogees to your 
> message, if desired.
> 
> Hth,
> Jeff
> 
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2021, at 8:56 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Ever since upgrading to WatchOS 8, I am unable to dictate messages.  I can 
>> get dictation to start, but I can rarely get it to stop, and I can’t get VO 
>> to read back to me what I have dictated, so I can make sure it’s right 
>> before sending the message. Anyone have any idea what might be going on?  I 
>> use the watch for messaging a lot, so this is a major inconvenience.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Anyone else having trouble dictating messages on their watch since WatchOs 8?

2021-10-16 Thread Jeff Berwick
It is true that it is much less convenient to dictate under Watch OS8.

What I do, once I am done dictating, is one finger double tap, swipe once to 
the right and one finger double tap again.  Not sure what I’m tapping on, but 
that stops dictation and then I can swipe left until I get back to the text 
field so I can review what I have dictated.

Sometimes, when I one finger double tap, the message just sends automatically.  
Not sure why as VoiceOver is pretty quiet at that time.

The nice thing about this annoyance is that you can then add emogees to your 
message, if desired.

Hth,
Jeff


> On Oct 16, 2021, at 8:56 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Ever since upgrading to WatchOS 8, I am unable to dictate messages.  I can 
> get dictation to start, but I can rarely get it to stop, and I can’t get VO 
> to read back to me what I have dictated, so I can make sure it’s right before 
> sending the message. Anyone have any idea what might be going on?  I use the 
> watch for messaging a lot, so this is a major inconvenience.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Anyone else having trouble dictating messages on their watch since WatchOs 8?

2021-10-16 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
Hi all,

Ever since upgrading to WatchOS 8, I am unable to dictate messages.  I can get 
dictation to start, but I can rarely get it to stop, and I can’t get VO to read 
back to me what I have dictated, so I can make sure it’s right before sending 
the message. Anyone have any idea what might be going on?  I use the watch for 
messaging a lot, so this is a major inconvenience.
Cheers,
Donna

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