Re: Anyone have Terminal tricks and resources?
Hi Mike, As an addition to the helpful advice Chris gave, I suggest for viewing man page descriptions of Terminal commands that you use the free app, Bwana, available from Bruji.com: http://www.bruji.com/bwana/ This lets you query the commands you want to check with your web browser, and also view the man page description for these commands in your browser. There are other ways to make it simpler to view this content, but I think this is the easiest, and provides good navigation options. Bwana checks out at the Roaring Apps web site as compatible with Mac OS X versions up through Mountain Lion. HTH. Cheers, Esther Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote: There is a command called man which gives you the manual page for any command which can help with figuring things out. So you can do man ls to get all the info you might care to read about the ls command. CB -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Anyone have Terminal tricks and resources?
Brandon, I am very new to this and only know a little like how to change directors as well as simple commends like LS . I am reading through a book in iBooks about uNix but was wondering if you know of a place I can get a simple list of more of the basic commands. I am flying blind her win more tha one way. I guess i just need a direction. I don't really have an end goal which might make things harder. All I know is I want to be able to use this thing because I hear it's powerful and I want to know why. Open source programs and the like. Anyway, thank you for any tips here. Mike On Nov 7, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Brandon Olivares programmer2...@gmail.com wrote: It really depends on what you want to know. I don't have any ersources, but know a lot about using terminal, so ask whatever questions you might have. Brandon Azavia Technologies On Nov 7, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Mike M blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote: Calling all geeks! I have been digging around and trying to heather resources to teach myself how to use Terminal. I have learned some basics but wanted to put out some feelers and see if you guys had some resources that you could recommend. I appreciate any tips and I am off to search archives Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Anyone have Terminal tricks and resources?
Great! Thank you very much! Mike On Nov 8, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote: Hi Mike, As Chris and Brandon mentioned, there's a lot of answers for specific topics about using the terminal. There isn't a lot posted about the best ways to set up VoiceOver for using Terminal. The best and most extensive posts I've seen on that topic have come from Travis Siegel on the mac-access list. Here's the link to an earlier mail archive post I made here that contains a link to one of Travis' mac-access list posts on Hints on using terminal. (This dates from before the mac-access list moved over to using the Mail Archive as a secondary archive that is easily searchable). • Re: terminal and voice over http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg45511.html You're welcome to join that list, too. Here's the info page: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/ I think this is the current web page with more information about their current mailing lists and list policies. Note that discussion of Windows related topics have been split off to a separate Windows-access list. http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/Mailing-Lists.html Cheryl's suggestion of the Take Control of the Mac Command Line with Terminal eBook is also a good one. Here's the link to their web page description: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/command-line There is also another recent related eBook on this subject from O'Reilly: • Learning Unix for OS X Mountain Lion by Dave Taylor (Released: September 2012) This has the subtitle: Using Unix and Linux Tools at the Command Line and the URL for the web page is: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920025870.do It is also available for purchase from iBooks for $9.99: https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/learning-unix-for-os-x-mountain/id563659679?mt=11 I'm not sure whether you would be able to also read this on your computer if you purchased through iBooks, but you might, since O'Reilly does not use any DRM with their books.They also make all their books available to Bookshare, and international Bookshare members can also access all their books. If you create an account and purchase eBooks directly from the O'Reilly web site, you'll be able to download multiple versions (e.g., ePub, mobi, and PDF for this volume), and any errata or minor revisions are always made available through the links on your account. The ePub is readable on your computer as well as on any iOS device. For some other, older books they may offer DAISY versions. These suggestions assume no previous background with Unix or Linux. For Mac users coming from a Linux or Unix background, there are the older O'Reilly books like Mac OS X for Unix Geeks (Leopard), 4th Edition by Ernest E. Rothman, Brian Jepson, and Rich Rosen: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596520632.do There's a really old O'Reilly web page dating in 2002 on the Top Ten Mac OS X Tips for Unix Geeks: http://macdevcenter.com/lpt/a/2792 It's still good for a quick summary info, but the default shell has long since changed from tcsh to bash, and the way startup is handled is completely different. One quick tip for Terminal users is that you can use command-c from the Finder GUI to copy the location of a file or folder, and paste it into a command-line argument in your Terminal shell. The full path to that file is always copied that way, so it doesn't matter whether you are in the same directory in Terminal as the file you want to operate on or not. There's also a free Go2Shell application from the Mac App Store that will let you launch a Terminal session that opens in the folder you're using in Finder. Here's the URL at the Mac App Store: http://itunes.apple.com/app/go2shell/id445770608?mt=12 HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 7, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Mike M blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote: Calling all geeks! I have been digging around and trying to heather resources to teach myself how to use Terminal. I have learned some basics but wanted to put out some feelers and see if you guys had some resources that you could recommend. I appreciate any tips and I am off to search archives Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Anyone have Terminal tricks and resources?
There is a command called man which gives you the manual page for any command which can help with figuring things out. So you can do man ls to get all the info you might care to read about the ls command. CB On 11/9/12 10:46 PM, Mike M wrote: Brandon, I am very new to this and only know a little like how to change directors as well as simple commends like LS . I am reading through a book in iBooks about uNix but was wondering if you know of a place I can get a simple list of more of the basic commands. I am flying blind her win more tha one way. I guess i just need a direction. I don't really have an end goal which might make things harder. All I know is I want to be able to use this thing because I hear it's powerful and I want to know why. Open source programs and the like. Anyway, thank you for any tips here. Mike On Nov 7, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Brandon Olivares programmer2...@gmail.com wrote: It really depends on what you want to know. I don't have any ersources, but know a lot about using terminal, so ask whatever questions you might have. Brandon Azavia Technologies On Nov 7, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Mike M blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote: Calling all geeks! I have been digging around and trying to heather resources to teach myself how to use Terminal. I have learned some basics but wanted to put out some feelers and see if you guys had some resources that you could recommend. I appreciate any tips and I am off to search archives Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Anyone have Terminal tricks and resources?
Great! This will help a lot. Thank you very much! So since there is so much to do with Terminal, what do those of you who use it do with it? What got you into it and why do you use it? Mike On Nov 9, 2012, at 9:47 PM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote: There is a command called man which gives you the manual page for any command which can help with figuring things out. So you can do man ls to get all the info you might care to read about the ls command. CB On 11/9/12 10:46 PM, Mike M wrote: Brandon, I am very new to this and only know a little like how to change directors as well as simple commends like LS . I am reading through a book in iBooks about uNix but was wondering if you know of a place I can get a simple list of more of the basic commands. I am flying blind her win more tha one way. I guess i just need a direction. I don't really have an end goal which might make things harder. All I know is I want to be able to use this thing because I hear it's powerful and I want to know why. Open source programs and the like. Anyway, thank you for any tips here. Mike On Nov 7, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Brandon Olivares programmer2...@gmail.com wrote: It really depends on what you want to know. I don't have any ersources, but know a lot about using terminal, so ask whatever questions you might have. Brandon Azavia Technologies On Nov 7, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Mike M blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote: Calling all geeks! I have been digging around and trying to heather resources to teach myself how to use Terminal. I have learned some basics but wanted to put out some feelers and see if you guys had some resources that you could recommend. I appreciate any tips and I am off to search archives Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Anyone have Terminal tricks and resources?
Sort of the difference between asking someone to do something for you and doing it yourself. When you ask someone else it may or may not get done the way you want it when you want it. Terminal lets you do exactly what you want, so I usually end up there when things are in a weird state like a file I can't seem to delete or to use a special tool to take care of repetitive tasks or bulk changes. So I'd start with working through a few tutorials and post here if you get stuck or something doesn't make sense. Here are a few to start with: http://lifehacker.com/5633909/who-needs-a-mouse-learn-to-use-the-command-line-for-almost-anything http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/index.html CB On 11/9/12 10:53 PM, Mike M wrote: Great! This will help a lot. Thank you very much! So since there is so much to do with Terminal, what do those of you who use it do with it? What got you into it and why do you use it? Mike On Nov 9, 2012, at 9:47 PM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote: There is a command called man which gives you the manual page for any command which can help with figuring things out. So you can do man ls to get all the info you might care to read about the ls command. CB On 11/9/12 10:46 PM, Mike M wrote: Brandon, I am very new to this and only know a little like how to change directors as well as simple commends like LS . I am reading through a book in iBooks about uNix but was wondering if you know of a place I can get a simple list of more of the basic commands. I am flying blind her win more tha one way. I guess i just need a direction. I don't really have an end goal which might make things harder. All I know is I want to be able to use this thing because I hear it's powerful and I want to know why. Open source programs and the like. Anyway, thank you for any tips here. Mike On Nov 7, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Brandon Olivares programmer2...@gmail.com wrote: It really depends on what you want to know. I don't have any ersources, but know a lot about using terminal, so ask whatever questions you might have. Brandon Azavia Technologies On Nov 7, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Mike M blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote: Calling all geeks! I have been digging around and trying to heather resources to teach myself how to use Terminal. I have learned some basics but wanted to put out some feelers and see if you guys had some resources that you could recommend. I appreciate any tips and I am off to search archives Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Anyone have Terminal tricks and resources?
Hi Mike, As Chris and Brandon mentioned, there's a lot of answers for specific topics about using the terminal. There isn't a lot posted about the best ways to set up VoiceOver for using Terminal. The best and most extensive posts I've seen on that topic have come from Travis Siegel on the mac-access list. Here's the link to an earlier mail archive post I made here that contains a link to one of Travis' mac-access list posts on Hints on using terminal. (This dates from before the mac-access list moved over to using the Mail Archive as a secondary archive that is easily searchable). • Re: terminal and voice over http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg45511.html You're welcome to join that list, too. Here's the info page: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/ I think this is the current web page with more information about their current mailing lists and list policies. Note that discussion of Windows related topics have been split off to a separate Windows-access list. http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/Mailing-Lists.html Cheryl's suggestion of the Take Control of the Mac Command Line with Terminal eBook is also a good one. Here's the link to their web page description: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/command-line There is also another recent related eBook on this subject from O'Reilly: • Learning Unix for OS X Mountain Lion by Dave Taylor (Released: September 2012) This has the subtitle: Using Unix and Linux Tools at the Command Line and the URL for the web page is: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920025870.do It is also available for purchase from iBooks for $9.99: https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/learning-unix-for-os-x-mountain/id563659679?mt=11 I'm not sure whether you would be able to also read this on your computer if you purchased through iBooks, but you might, since O'Reilly does not use any DRM with their books.They also make all their books available to Bookshare, and international Bookshare members can also access all their books. If you create an account and purchase eBooks directly from the O'Reilly web site, you'll be able to download multiple versions (e.g., ePub, mobi, and PDF for this volume), and any errata or minor revisions are always made available through the links on your account. The ePub is readable on your computer as well as on any iOS device. For some other, older books they may offer DAISY versions. These suggestions assume no previous background with Unix or Linux. For Mac users coming from a Linux or Unix background, there are the older O'Reilly books like Mac OS X for Unix Geeks (Leopard), 4th Edition by Ernest E. Rothman, Brian Jepson, and Rich Rosen: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596520632.do There's a really old O'Reilly web page dating in 2002 on the Top Ten Mac OS X Tips for Unix Geeks: http://macdevcenter.com/lpt/a/2792 It's still good for a quick summary info, but the default shell has long since changed from tcsh to bash, and the way startup is handled is completely different. One quick tip for Terminal users is that you can use command-c from the Finder GUI to copy the location of a file or folder, and paste it into a command-line argument in your Terminal shell. The full path to that file is always copied that way, so it doesn't matter whether you are in the same directory in Terminal as the file you want to operate on or not. There's also a free Go2Shell application from the Mac App Store that will let you launch a Terminal session that opens in the folder you're using in Finder. Here's the URL at the Mac App Store: http://itunes.apple.com/app/go2shell/id445770608?mt=12 HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 7, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Mike M blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote: Calling all geeks! I have been digging around and trying to heather resources to teach myself how to use Terminal. I have learned some basics but wanted to put out some feelers and see if you guys had some resources that you could recommend. I appreciate any tips and I am off to search archives Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Anyone have Terminal tricks and resources?
Calling all geeks! I have been digging around and trying to heather resources to teach myself how to use Terminal. I have learned some basics but wanted to put out some feelers and see if you guys had some resources that you could recommend. I appreciate any tips and I am off to search archives Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Anyone have Terminal tricks and resources?
It really depends on what you want to know. I don't have any ersources, but know a lot about using terminal, so ask whatever questions you might have. Brandon Azavia Technologies On Nov 7, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Mike M blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote: Calling all geeks! I have been digging around and trying to heather resources to teach myself how to use Terminal. I have learned some basics but wanted to put out some feelers and see if you guys had some resources that you could recommend. I appreciate any tips and I am off to search archives Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Anyone have Terminal tricks and resources?
Terminal/unix has been around for decades so there is lore stretching back to the beginnings of computer science. It's sort of like asking if anyone has any favorite recipes. There are millions of ways to combine the same ingredients. Best things to ask is how to solve a specific problem. For example, I was just reading about using netcat which allows you to pipe data between two commands over a network. So on one machine somebody was doing tar of a huge file archive and sending that output to netcat and on another machine they were taking that data in from the network using netcat and then un-tarring it. Turned out to be multiples faster than just copying files the regular way and avoids having to temporarily store a huge archive file before transferring. Another recent item was my attempt to archive a web site so I could access it locally. I came up with wget -mcrpk -o process.log http://www.sitetoarchive.com which crawls the whole thing and stores it in the current directory. Then there is the whole thing of MacPorts giving simple installation on OSX for piles of open source packages. Right now I'm fiddling with bootpd to get my osx box to respond to bootp requests to try and get the web interface on my APC UPS to pick up a network address. Anyone do this before? CB On 11/7/12 1:10 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote: It really depends on what you want to know. I don't have any ersources, but know a lot about using terminal, so ask whatever questions you might have. Brandon Azavia Technologies On Nov 7, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Mike M blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote: Calling all geeks! I have been digging around and trying to heather resources to teach myself how to use Terminal. I have learned some basics but wanted to put out some feelers and see if you guys had some resources that you could recommend. I appreciate any tips and I am off to search archives Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Ż\_(?)_/Ż -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Anyone have Terminal tricks and resources?
There's a take Control book on using terminal in Mac. -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) On Nov 7, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Brandon Olivares programmer2...@gmail.com wrote: It really depends on what you want to know. I don't have any ersources, but know a lot about using terminal, so ask whatever questions you might have. Brandon Azavia Technologies On Nov 7, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Mike M blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote: Calling all geeks! I have been digging around and trying to heather resources to teach myself how to use Terminal. I have learned some basics but wanted to put out some feelers and see if you guys had some resources that you could recommend. I appreciate any tips and I am off to search archives Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
