Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
The Handytech display needs to be upgraded to work with the iphone.
They put a newer bluetooth module onto it.
Costs to much imho.
I don’t remember exactly but the pricing was very high.
Sad because the HandyTech displays imho are one of the most ergonomic displays 
i’ve ever used.
/A
> On 13 May 2016, at 19:02, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> I really like FS’s Focus 14 Blue, but I don’t like note-takers so it suits me 
> perfectly. I hate my old PACMate 20.
> I’ve also used a Focus 40 Blue which I also liked. I prefer these to my 
> Handitech Braillino which only works with my Mac and refuses to pair with my 
> iPhone.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 13 May 2016, at 15:58, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> I just think that other products are more sophisticated and better designed.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On May 13, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Jessica Moss >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> What's wrong with Humanware/fs's Braille displays?  I've never seen them so 
>>> can't give an opinion.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On May 12, 2016, at 8:22 PM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Chris,
 
 It's incredibly nice to see that Apple is doing this at all. However it 
 looks like the only braille displays they carry our humanware. In my view, 
 that's a serious limitation, humanware and freedom scientific being the 
 least interesting braille displays on the market.  No offense to you 
 humanware fans. I just think it's too bad that they're not carrying Hims 
 products or Baum products. cheers,
 Donna
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 12, 2016, at 3:07 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
> Maybe I missed this in another thread but you can now buy braille 
> displays, switch interfaces and eye gaze trackers from the Apple store:
> 
> http://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all-accessories/accessibility 
> 
> 
> Selection is kinda thin at the moment but I'm sure they will keep adding 
> stuff over time.
> 
> CB
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Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I also read that one could spill coffee or liquid on these new braille displays 
and they would still work as they are very tough and rugged meant for outside.  
I may be lucky to view one of these displays soon so if I do, I’ll report back.

About the Freedom Scientific, you can clean the cells as you can go in to the 
tools menu or press the on button and the last two cell routing buttons when 
the display has no power and the pins go up.  Just in case no one knew that.  
One of the reasons why I chose the displays I don’t know if any other displays 
do this.  I’m a bit out of touch with what displays do these days.

Kawal.
> On 15 May 2016, at 04:38, Brent Harding  wrote:
> 
> I wonder how these new displays stack up to what we have now, besides having 
> a lower price? For some uses, having them louder and/or slower might not 
> matter too much, but for work situations, something making constant noise 
> during brake time while the press ctrl-alt-del prompt flashes cells up and 
> down wouldn't be cool. When I remember, I usually pull the cable from the 
> display end on my Focus 40 Blue during brakes as to not overwear the same 
> particular cells that would get a ton of extra exercise flashing needlessly. 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Kawal Gucukoglu <mailto:kgli...@icloud.com>
>> To: Macvisionaries <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 1:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items
>> 
>> There is a new braille display coming out, don’t know when but it’s a joint 
>> project between RNIB and other specialist providers.  I’ve read that these 
>> braille displays are going to cost £250 (not sure that will be in dollars) 
>> but these displays are going to be affordable for any person who is on a low 
>> budget and this will be a game changer.  It will have bluetooth as well.  At 
>> present they are in prototype and were at the Seasun exhibition which 
>> happened in March.  Did anyone see those?  These are intended to be sold 
>> that more people will take up braille and encourage people to read.
>> 
>> I know I’m not talking about Apple here but they will specifically work with 
>> the I phone as Third world countries have the I phones but blind people 
>> can’t get hold of braille devices.
>> 
>> Kawal. 
>>> On 14 May 2016, at 18:11, Brent Harding >> <mailto:br...@hostany.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm in the same boat there, I use the reverse panning feature when I use 
>>> the braille display, at least in Jaws where it is available. I'm sure that 
>>> is something FS could include in a firmware update to put in that 
>>> configuration menu to send the command for right pan when you hit the left 
>>> button, etc.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" >> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>>
>>> To: >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>>> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 3:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> 
>>> VU stands for Vario Ultra, the newest display from Baum.  And just FYI, one 
>>> of it's features is multiple options for configuring how the panning keys 
>>> behave.  I can't remember all the choices off-hand, but I'm pretty sure you 
>>> could set it up to pan the way you describe.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On May 13, 2016, at 2:59 PM, M. Taylor >>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I tend to agree with you, Donna.
>>>> 
>>>> By the way, what is a VU?  You wrote that you like that your VU is 
>>>> completely silent.
>>>> 
>>>> As for me, I am a big fan of the Focus 40 Blue.
>>>> 
>>>> One thing I cannot stand about using the Focus 40 Blue, in iOS 
>>>> particularly, is that one cannot switch the panning keys.
>>>> 
>>>> Currently, although this was not always the case, one could use the left 
>>>> panning keys to advance the Braille display.  Now, one can only use the 
>>>> right panning key to move right and the left panning key to move left.
>>>> 
>>>> I, however, read Braille with my right index finger.  In so doing, I much 
>>>> prefer to pan with my left hand, only.  As it stands, I must now read and 
>>>> pan with my right hand.  This causes an enormous amount of fatigue.
>>>> 
>>>> In Windows, using Jaws, there is a reverse pan feature

Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Brent Harding]

I wonder how these new displays stack up to what we have now, besides having a 
lower price? For some uses, having them louder and/or slower might not matter 
too much, but for work situations, something making constant noise during brake 
time while the press ctrl-alt-del prompt flashes cells up and down wouldn't be 
cool. When I remember, I usually pull the cable from the display end on my 
Focus 40 Blue during brakes as to not overwear the same particular cells that 
would get a ton of extra exercise flashing needlessly. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kawal Gucukoglu 
  To: Macvisionaries 
  Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 1:47 PM
  Subject: Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items


  There is a new braille display coming out, don’t know when but it’s a joint 
project between RNIB and other specialist providers.  I’ve read that these 
braille displays are going to cost £250 (not sure that will be in dollars) but 
these displays are going to be affordable for any person who is on a low budget 
and this will be a game changer.  It will have bluetooth as well.  At present 
they are in prototype and were at the Seasun exhibition which happened in 
March.  Did anyone see those?  These are intended to be sold that more people 
will take up braille and encourage people to read.


  I know I’m not talking about Apple here but they will specifically work with 
the I phone as Third world countries have the I phones but blind people can’t 
get hold of braille devices.


  Kawal. 

On 14 May 2016, at 18:11, Brent Harding  wrote:


I'm in the same boat there, I use the reverse panning feature when I use 
the braille display, at least in Jaws where it is available. I'm sure that is 
something FS could include in a firmware update to put in that configuration 
menu to send the command for right pan when you hit the left button, etc.

- Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 3:23 PM
    Subject: Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items


Hi Mark,

VU stands for Vario Ultra, the newest display from Baum.  And just FYI, one 
of it's features is multiple options for configuring how the panning keys 
behave.  I can't remember all the choices off-hand, but I'm pretty sure you 
could set it up to pan the way you describe.
Cheers,
Donna

  On May 13, 2016, at 2:59 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

  I tend to agree with you, Donna.

  By the way, what is a VU?  You wrote that you like that your VU is 
completely silent.

  As for me, I am a big fan of the Focus 40 Blue.

  One thing I cannot stand about using the Focus 40 Blue, in iOS 
particularly, is that one cannot switch the panning keys.

  Currently, although this was not always the case, one could use the left 
panning keys to advance the Braille display.  Now, one can only use the right 
panning key to move right and the left panning key to move left.

  I, however, read Braille with my right index finger.  In so doing, I much 
prefer to pan with my left hand, only.  As it stands, I must now read and pan 
with my right hand.  This causes an enormous amount of fatigue.

  In Windows, using Jaws, there is a reverse pan feature, thank goodness.

  I say all this to say that my next Braille display purchasing decision 
will be based on whether or not the device has a hardware, rather than a 
software, feature to allow reverse panning.

  If any of you know of such a device, please let me know.

  Mark

  -Original Message-
  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
  Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 12:40 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
      Subject: Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

  Oh, and in answer to your question, Sabahattin, IOS devices are already 
pretty bloody close to replacing a notetaker, at least for me.  But I think it 
may have come as close as its ever going to.  First, it would have to have 
built-in braille, not something paired by bluetooth.  I turn on the device and 
up comes the braille.  There would have to be no lag between the device and the 
braille.   I love that my VU is completely silent.  If I wake up in the middle 
of the night and want to read, I just pick it up and turn it on.  And since I 
was probably in my book in the Word Processor when I turned it off, I come 
right up to the place I left off when I last put it down.  Easy peasy.

  It's funny, as I write this, it occurs to me that for me, having a 
notetaker is sort of my equivalent of having a Kindle or a Nook.  And I know 
sighted people who have both a smart phone, and a reading device. It's really 
just a reading device, and sometimes a quick note-taking device.  I like that 
it's separate from my phone.  My reading will never be interrupted by any game, 
Facebook, text mess

Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

There is a new braille display coming out, don’t know when but it’s a joint 
project between RNIB and other specialist providers.  I’ve read that these 
braille displays are going to cost £250 (not sure that will be in dollars) but 
these displays are going to be affordable for any person who is on a low budget 
and this will be a game changer.  It will have bluetooth as well.  At present 
they are in prototype and were at the Seasun exhibition which happened in 
March.  Did anyone see those?  These are intended to be sold that more people 
will take up braille and encourage people to read.

I know I’m not talking about Apple here but they will specifically work with 
the I phone as Third world countries have the I phones but blind people can’t 
get hold of braille devices.

Kawal. 
> On 14 May 2016, at 18:11, Brent Harding  wrote:
> 
> I'm in the same boat there, I use the reverse panning feature when I use the 
> braille display, at least in Jaws where it is available. I'm sure that is 
> something FS could include in a firmware update to put in that configuration 
> menu to send the command for right pan when you hit the left button, etc.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 3:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items
> 
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> VU stands for Vario Ultra, the newest display from Baum.  And just FYI, one 
> of it's features is multiple options for configuring how the panning keys 
> behave.  I can't remember all the choices off-hand, but I'm pretty sure you 
> could set it up to pan the way you describe.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On May 13, 2016, at 2:59 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> I tend to agree with you, Donna.
>> 
>> By the way, what is a VU?  You wrote that you like that your VU is 
>> completely silent.
>> 
>> As for me, I am a big fan of the Focus 40 Blue.
>> 
>> One thing I cannot stand about using the Focus 40 Blue, in iOS particularly, 
>> is that one cannot switch the panning keys.
>> 
>> Currently, although this was not always the case, one could use the left 
>> panning keys to advance the Braille display.  Now, one can only use the 
>> right panning key to move right and the left panning key to move left.
>> 
>> I, however, read Braille with my right index finger.  In so doing, I much 
>> prefer to pan with my left hand, only.  As it stands, I must now read and 
>> pan with my right hand.  This causes an enormous amount of fatigue.
>> 
>> In Windows, using Jaws, there is a reverse pan feature, thank goodness.
>> 
>> I say all this to say that my next Braille display purchasing decision will 
>> be based on whether or not the device has a hardware, rather than a 
>> software, feature to allow reverse panning.
>> 
>> If any of you know of such a device, please let me know.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 12:40 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items
>> 
>> Oh, and in answer to your question, Sabahattin, IOS devices are already 
>> pretty bloody close to replacing a notetaker, at least for me.  But I think 
>> it may have come as close as its ever going to.  First, it would have to 
>> have built-in braille, not something paired by bluetooth.  I turn on the 
>> device and up comes the braille.  There would have to be no lag between the 
>> device and the braille.   I love that my VU is completely silent.  If I wake 
>> up in the middle of the night and want to read, I just pick it up and turn 
>> it on.  And since I was probably in my book in the Word Processor when I 
>> turned it off, I come right up to the place I left off when I last put it 
>> down.  Easy peasy.
>> 
>> It's funny, as I write this, it occurs to me that for me, having a notetaker 
>> is sort of my equivalent of having a Kindle or a Nook.  And I know sighted 
>> people who have both a smart phone, and a reading device. It's really just a 
>> reading device, and sometimes a quick note-taking device.  I like that it's 
>> separate from my phone.  My reading will never be interrupted by any game, 
>> Facebook, text message, phone call, or one of the myriad of other alerts I 
>> might get from my phone.  This is also why I have a separate iPod.  There's 
>> nothing on it but my music and audiobooks, for the same reason.  If I'm 
>> listening to music, I don't want t

Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Sadam Ahmed]

I have HumanWare's Brilliant.

Really like the thumb keys on the unit.

Don't care much for the Focus range from FS.

Also the braille feels great with the HumanWare products.

On 5/15/2016 3:07 AM, Brent Harding wrote:
I think the part of it for VR is that the Focus displays are among the 
few left that don't have onboard memory or note taking capabilities, 
which is an important thing when wanting to use one at work. The Focus 
40 Blue is a great choice though for a braille display, but I wish 
there could be local repair or some loaner program vailable for when 
you depend on it for work to get around querky controls that won't 
activate with anything else but a cursor routing button.


- Original Message -
*From:* Anne Robertson <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Sent:* Friday, May 13, 2016 12:02 PM
    *Subject:* Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

I really like FS’s Focus 14 Blue, but I don’t like note-takers so
it suits me perfectly. I hate my old PACMate 20.
I’ve also used a Focus 40 Blue which I also liked. I prefer these
to my Handitech Braillino which only works with my Mac and refuses
to pair with my iPhone.

Cheers,

Anne




On 13 May 2016, at 15:58, Donna Goodin mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

I just think that other products are more sophisticated and
better designed.
Cheers,
Donna

On May 13, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Jessica Moss
mailto:junglebookfa...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

What's wrong with Humanware/fs's Braille displays?  I've never
seen them so can't give an opinion.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 12, 2016, at 8:22 PM, Donna Goodin mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:


Hi Chris,

It's incredibly nice to see that Apple is doing this at all.
However it looks like the only braille displays they carry our
humanware. In my view, that's a serious limitation, humanware
and freedom scientific being the least interesting braille
displays on the market.  No offense to you humanware fans. I
just think it's too bad that they're not carrying Hims products
or Baum products. cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

On May 12, 2016, at 3:07 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:


Maybe I missed this in another thread but you can now buy
braille displays, switch interfaces and eye gaze trackers from
the Apple store:

http://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all-accessories/accessibility

Selection is kinda thin at the moment but I'm sure they will
keep adding stuff over time.

CB
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Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Brent Harding]

I never thought we had vat in the US, I've heard of it on websites for Europe, 
but most of us probably never run into it.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Kawal Gucukoglu 
  To: Macvisionaries 
  Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 4:01 PM
  Subject: Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items


  Getting back to Apple selling Braille displays, does it include VAT (for the 
US users), Value Added Tax?  This is a tax that people have to pay when buying 
expensive electronic things but if you have a specialist device that has been 
adapted for the end user such as equipment for the Blind, VAT is excluded.


  I have two Braille displays but don’t seem to use them as much although I use 
braille daily as part of my job being a braille transcriber.  If I want to 
remember notes, phone numbers etc, braille is what I need.  I love braille on 
IOS but am disappointed that I can’t use braille on my Apple Computers.

On 13 May 2016, at 21:23, Donna Goodin  wrote:


Hi Mark,

VU stands for Vario Ultra, the newest display from Baum.  And just FYI, one 
of it's features is multiple options for configuring how the panning keys 
behave.  I can't remember all the choices off-hand, but I'm pretty sure you 
could set it up to pan the way you describe.
Cheers,
Donna

  On May 13, 2016, at 2:59 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

  I tend to agree with you, Donna.

  By the way, what is a VU?  You wrote that you like that your VU is 
completely silent.

  As for me, I am a big fan of the Focus 40 Blue.  

  One thing I cannot stand about using the Focus 40 Blue, in iOS 
particularly, is that one cannot switch the panning keys.  

  Currently, although this was not always the case, one could use the left 
panning keys to advance the Braille display.  Now, one can only use the right 
panning key to move right and the left panning key to move left.  

  I, however, read Braille with my right index finger.  In so doing, I much 
prefer to pan with my left hand, only.  As it stands, I must now read and pan 
with my right hand.  This causes an enormous amount of fatigue.  

  In Windows, using Jaws, there is a reverse pan feature, thank goodness.

  I say all this to say that my next Braille display purchasing decision 
will be based on whether or not the device has a hardware, rather than a 
software, feature to allow reverse panning.  

  If any of you know of such a device, please let me know.

  Mark

  -Original Message-
  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
  Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 12:40 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

  Oh, and in answer to your question, Sabahattin, IOS devices are already 
pretty bloody close to replacing a notetaker, at least for me.  But I think it 
may have come as close as its ever going to.  First, it would have to have 
built-in braille, not something paired by bluetooth.  I turn on the device and 
up comes the braille.  There would have to be no lag between the device and the 
braille.   I love that my VU is completely silent.  If I wake up in the middle 
of the night and want to read, I just pick it up and turn it on.  And since I 
was probably in my book in the Word Processor when I turned it off, I come 
right up to the place I left off when I last put it down.  Easy peasy.

  It's funny, as I write this, it occurs to me that for me, having a 
notetaker is sort of my equivalent of having a Kindle or a Nook.  And I know 
sighted people who have both a smart phone, and a reading device.  It's really 
just a reading device, and sometimes a quick note-taking device.  I like that 
it's separate from my phone.  My reading will never be interrupted by any game, 
Facebook, text message, phone call, or one of the myriad of other alerts I 
might get from my phone.  This is also why I have a separate iPod.  There's 
nothing on it but my music and audiobooks, for the same reason.  If I'm 
listening to music, I don't want the chatter from my phone cutting into it.  
Don't get me wrong, I love that my teeny tiny phone can do all this stuff.  And 
there've been plenty of times I was very happy that that was the only device I 
needed to have with me, and it could keep me connected, entertained, and 
provide me with reading and music pleasure.  But when traveling light is not an 
issue, I prefer doing these things on separate devices.  Our phones are great, 
but boy they do make a racket. :)

  Just my thoughts.
  Cheers,
  Donna


On May 13, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  
wrote:

I really dislike the FS braille displays, but did applaud their efforts 
to go more mainstream than their Humanware rival on the notetaker front.  
Inevitably, though, I stuck with BrailleNote bec

Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Brent Harding]

I'm in the same boat there, I use the reverse panning feature when I use the 
braille display, at least in Jaws where it is available. I'm sure that is 
something FS could include in a firmware update to put in that configuration 
menu to send the command for right pan when you hit the left button, etc.


- Original Message - 
From: "Donna Goodin" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items


Hi Mark,

VU stands for Vario Ultra, the newest display from Baum.  And just FYI, one 
of it's features is multiple options for configuring how the panning keys 
behave.  I can't remember all the choices off-hand, but I'm pretty sure you 
could set it up to pan the way you describe.

Cheers,
Donna

On May 13, 2016, at 2:59 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

I tend to agree with you, Donna.

By the way, what is a VU?  You wrote that you like that your VU is 
completely silent.


As for me, I am a big fan of the Focus 40 Blue.

One thing I cannot stand about using the Focus 40 Blue, in iOS 
particularly, is that one cannot switch the panning keys.


Currently, although this was not always the case, one could use the left 
panning keys to advance the Braille display.  Now, one can only use the 
right panning key to move right and the left panning key to move left.


I, however, read Braille with my right index finger.  In so doing, I much 
prefer to pan with my left hand, only.  As it stands, I must now read and 
pan with my right hand.  This causes an enormous amount of fatigue.


In Windows, using Jaws, there is a reverse pan feature, thank goodness.

I say all this to say that my next Braille display purchasing decision 
will be based on whether or not the device has a hardware, rather than a 
software, feature to allow reverse panning.


If any of you know of such a device, please let me know.

Mark

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin

Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 12:40 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

Oh, and in answer to your question, Sabahattin, IOS devices are already 
pretty bloody close to replacing a notetaker, at least for me.  But I 
think it may have come as close as its ever going to.  First, it would 
have to have built-in braille, not something paired by bluetooth.  I turn 
on the device and up comes the braille.  There would have to be no lag 
between the device and the braille.   I love that my VU is completely 
silent.  If I wake up in the middle of the night and want to read, I just 
pick it up and turn it on.  And since I was probably in my book in the 
Word Processor when I turned it off, I come right up to the place I left 
off when I last put it down.  Easy peasy.


It's funny, as I write this, it occurs to me that for me, having a 
notetaker is sort of my equivalent of having a Kindle or a Nook.  And I 
know sighted people who have both a smart phone, and a reading device. 
It's really just a reading device, and sometimes a quick note-taking 
device.  I like that it's separate from my phone.  My reading will never 
be interrupted by any game, Facebook, text message, phone call, or one of 
the myriad of other alerts I might get from my phone.  This is also why I 
have a separate iPod.  There's nothing on it but my music and audiobooks, 
for the same reason.  If I'm listening to music, I don't want the chatter 
from my phone cutting into it.  Don't get me wrong, I love that my teeny 
tiny phone can do all this stuff.  And there've been plenty of times I was 
very happy that that was the only device I needed to have with me, and it 
could keep me connected, entertained, and provide me with reading and 
music pleasure.  But when traveling light is not an issue, I prefer doing 
these things on separate devices.  Our phones are great, but boy they do 
make a racket. :)


Just my thoughts.
Cheers,
Donna

On May 13, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  
wrote:


I really dislike the FS braille displays, but did applaud their efforts 
to go more mainstream than their Humanware rival on the notetaker front. 
Inevitably, though, I stuck with BrailleNote because their most important 
function, note-taking and braille translation, remained unparalleled in 
my opinion, and above all things a note-taker must do is to be efficient, 
which is another area Humanware really excel at and have done so right 
through the Apex, which I now have.  Now they’re going Android, there is 
even more promise there, except for Google and privacy of course, and the 
fact that it’s running a two-releases-outdated version of Android.  I 
also much prefer the thumb keys and elegant design of Humanware braille 
displays to the fiddly alternatives.  But this is all a matter of 
personal taste, really.


Now, here’s a question: what would it t

Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Devin Prater]

I hope they have the Orbit Reader 20 when it comes out, if it does work with 
iOS. If so, Apple would definitely be encouraging the reading of braille.
Sent from my Mac.

Devin Prater
d.pra...@me.com



> On May 14, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Brent Harding  wrote:
> 
> I think the part of it for VR is that the Focus displays are among the few 
> left that don't have onboard memory or note taking capabilities, which is an 
> important thing when wanting to use one at work. The Focus 40 Blue is a great 
> choice though for a braille display, but I wish there could be local repair 
> or some loaner program vailable for when you depend on it for work to get 
> around querky controls that won't activate with anything else but a cursor 
> routing button.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Anne Robertson <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 12:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items
>> 
>> I really like FS’s Focus 14 Blue, but I don’t like note-takers so it suits 
>> me perfectly. I hate my old PACMate 20.
>> I’ve also used a Focus 40 Blue which I also liked. I prefer these to my 
>> Handitech Braillino which only works with my Mac and refuses to pair with my 
>> iPhone.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 13 May 2016, at 15:58, Donna Goodin >> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just think that other products are more sophisticated and better designed.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On May 13, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Jessica Moss >>> <mailto:junglebookfa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> What's wrong with Humanware/fs's Braille displays?  I've never seen them 
>>>> so can't give an opinion.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On May 12, 2016, at 8:22 PM, Donna Goodin >>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's incredibly nice to see that Apple is doing this at all. However it 
>>>>> looks like the only braille displays they carry our humanware. In my 
>>>>> view, that's a serious limitation, humanware and freedom scientific being 
>>>>> the least interesting braille displays on the market.  No offense to you 
>>>>> humanware fans.  I just think it's too bad that they're not 
>>>>> carrying Hims products or Baum products. cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> On May 12, 2016, at 3:07 PM, 'Chris Blouch'  via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Maybe I missed this in another thread but you can now buy braille 
>>>>>> displays, switch interfaces and eye gaze trackers from the Apple store:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all-accessories/accessibility 
>>>>>> <http://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all-accessories/accessibility>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Selection is kinda thin at the moment but I'm sure they will keep adding 
>>>>>> stuff over time.
>>>>>> 
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Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Brent Harding]

I think the part of it for VR is that the Focus displays are among the few left 
that don't have onboard memory or note taking capabilities, which is an 
important thing when wanting to use one at work. The Focus 40 Blue is a great 
choice though for a braille display, but I wish there could be local repair or 
some loaner program vailable for when you depend on it for work to get around 
querky controls that won't activate with anything else but a cursor routing 
button.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Anne Robertson 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 12:02 PM
  Subject: Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items


  I really like FS’s Focus 14 Blue, but I don’t like note-takers so it suits me 
perfectly. I hate my old PACMate 20.
  I’ve also used a Focus 40 Blue which I also liked. I prefer these to my 
Handitech Braillino which only works with my Mac and refuses to pair with my 
iPhone.


  Cheers,


  Anne






On 13 May 2016, at 15:58, Donna Goodin  wrote:


I just think that other products are more sophisticated and better designed.
Cheers,
Donna

  On May 13, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Jessica Moss  
wrote:


  What's wrong with Humanware/fs's Braille displays?  I've never seen them 
so can't give an opinion.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On May 12, 2016, at 8:22 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:


Hi Chris,

It's incredibly nice to see that Apple is doing this at all. However it 
looks like the only braille displays they carry our humanware. In my view, 
that's a serious limitation, humanware and freedom scientific being the least 
interesting braille displays on the market.  No offense to you humanware fans. 
I just think it's too bad that they're not carrying Hims products or Baum 
products. cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

On May 12, 2016, at 3:07 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


  Maybe I missed this in another thread but you can now buy braille 
displays, switch interfaces and eye gaze trackers from the Apple store:

  http://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all-accessories/accessibility

  Selection is kinda thin at the moment but I'm sure they will keep 
adding stuff over time.

  CB

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RE: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Simon Fogarty]

Point Chris,

 I believe someone I thought it was amazon were going to do something like that 
for a kindle but I've not heard ;more about it and I'm not a kindle  user so 
not overly worried.

  Guess we'll see what comes out 

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my guesses, the device would probably run android under the hood, but it would 
not be android on the part that user would see. Think of it kind of like a 
skin. Or in other words, an overlay.

in other words, the underlying operating system would be android, yes, but my 
guesses, humanware would probably put their own software on top of that which 
would be the main UI of the system.



Sent from my iPhone

> On May 13, 2016, at 17:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Sorry HW are going to release a tablet running android?
> 
> Hmmm, interesting, how over priced will this be?
> 
> It will be interesting to compare it to something say from Samsung or Google 
> 
> I'd still prefer my iPad or iPhone.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> 
> Curious thing, that.  Although I am quite a Humanware fan, by and large, 
> their latest product—a tablet running Android—is shortly to become available. 
>  I don’t suppose that will be on Apple’s store. :)
> 
> Anyway, the great news is that Apple want exactly the same for the Brailliant 
> displays that Humanware does.  Good.  That makes it a lot easier, when the 
> time is right.
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Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Cheree Heppe]

Cheree Heppe Here:
I vote for Hyms and which other Braille display/note takers interface with 
Apple devices.
Regards,
Cheree Heppe


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> On May 12, 2016, at 17:22, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi Chris,
> 
> It's incredibly nice to see that Apple is doing this at all. However it looks 
> like the only braille displays they carry our humanware. In my view, that's a 
> serious limitation, humanware and freedom scientific being the least 
> interesting braille displays on the market.  No offense to you humanware 
> fans. I just think it's too bad that they're not carrying Hims products or 
> Baum products. cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On May 12, 2016, at 3:07 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Maybe I missed this in another thread but you can now buy braille displays, 
>> switch interfaces and eye gaze trackers from the Apple store:
>> 
>> http://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all-accessories/accessibility
>> 
>> Selection is kinda thin at the moment but I'm sure they will keep adding 
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Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[David Chittenden]

After playing with the BrailleNote Touch today, I feel confident in saying, 
KeySoft screen reader is TalkBack with some modifications. Basically, the 
TALKBack angle gestures have been routed to buttons on the braille display. 
There is a braille screen input mode, or a braille keyboard overlay. If the app 
is accessible to TalkBack, it is accessible to KeySoft. There is a KeySoft menu 
which launches the basic KeySoft apps. I go to All Applications at the end of 
the list. Then, I am able to access all the google apps on the device.

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> On 14 May 2016, at 08:33, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> Initial-letter navigation, I think, is the big one that note-takers have.  If 
> we could have that on iOS with input from a braille display, that would be 
> all kinds of awesome.  I love KeySoft just for that, really.  That and pure 
> braille translation with literary finesse, e.g. indenting two cells at the 
> starts of paragraphs.  Oh, and when I had an iPod I agree with you it made a 
> difference.  Now, though, I just want to minimise my devices, so I’m back to 
> a single phone for everything and the BrailleNote for the reading, as you do.
> 
> Yes, an Android tablet from Humanware.  Running 4.4, and costing what the 
> Apex does now, I think.  It runs apps from the Play store, but uses KeySoft 
> and its applications for productivity.  It is not yet an iOS-compatible 
> braille display, so I’m not really interested yet, but I nevertheless look 
> forward to an opportunity of trying it out for myself.
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Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Jessica Moss]

Join the club; I like the idea behind it, but would prefer something 
Apple-based.  I have a feeling though, that they will follow suite.
> On May 13, 2016, at 5:57 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Sorry HW are going to release a tablet running android?
> 
> Hmmm, interesting, how over priced will this be?
> 
> It will be interesting to compare it to something say from Samsung or Google 
> 
> I'd still prefer my iPad or iPhone.
> 
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> Subject: Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items
> 
> Curious thing, that.  Although I am quite a Humanware fan, by and large, 
> their latest product—a tablet running Android—is shortly to become available. 
>  I don’t suppose that will be on Apple’s store. :)
> 
> Anyway, the great news is that Apple want exactly the same for the Brailliant 
> displays that Humanware does.  Good.  That makes it a lot easier, when the 
> time is right.
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Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Initial-letter navigation, I think, is the big one that note-takers have.  If 
we could have that on iOS with input from a braille display, that would be all 
kinds of awesome.  I love KeySoft just for that, really.  That and pure braille 
translation with literary finesse, e.g. indenting two cells at the starts of 
paragraphs.  Oh, and when I had an iPod I agree with you it made a difference.  
Now, though, I just want to minimise my devices, so I’m back to a single phone 
for everything and the BrailleNote for the reading, as you do.

Yes, an Android tablet from Humanware.  Running 4.4, and costing what the Apex 
does now, I think.  It runs apps from the Play store, but uses KeySoft and its 
applications for productivity.  It is not yet an iOS-compatible braille 
display, so I’m not really interested yet, but I nevertheless look forward to 
an opportunity of trying it out for myself.

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Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Chris Gilland]

my guesses, the device would probably run android under the hood, but it would 
not be android on the part that user would see. Think of it kind of like a 
skin. Or in other words, an overlay.

in other words, the underlying operating system would be android, yes, but my 
guesses, humanware would probably put their own software on top of that which 
would be the main UI of the system.



Sent from my iPhone

> On May 13, 2016, at 17:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Sorry HW are going to release a tablet running android?
> 
> Hmmm, interesting, how over priced will this be?
> 
> It will be interesting to compare it to something say from Samsung or Google 
> 
> I'd still prefer my iPad or iPhone.
> 
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> 
> Curious thing, that.  Although I am quite a Humanware fan, by and large, 
> their latest product—a tablet running Android—is shortly to become available. 
>  I don’t suppose that will be on Apple’s store. :)
> 
> Anyway, the great news is that Apple want exactly the same for the Brailliant 
> displays that Humanware does.  Good.  That makes it a lot easier, when the 
> time is right.
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RE: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Simon Fogarty]

And probably cheaper also!

We pay truckloads for this type of technology in New Zealndn

I’m lucky though I don’t use braille if I can help it.

But I’m not currently a fan of HW either I’m still waiting to hear from them re 
Window Eyes inquiry  from 6 months ago

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On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Saturday, 14 May 2016 1:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

I just think that other products are more sophisticated and better designed.
Cheers,
Donna
On May 13, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Jessica Moss 
mailto:junglebookfa...@gmail.com>> wrote:

What's wrong with Humanware/fs's Braille displays?  I've never seen them so 
can't give an opinion.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 12, 2016, at 8:22 PM, Donna Goodin 
mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
Hi Chris,

It's incredibly nice to see that Apple is doing this at all. However it looks 
like the only braille displays they carry our humanware. In my view, that's a 
serious limitation, humanware and freedom scientific being the least 
interesting braille displays on the market.  No offense to you humanware fans. 
I just think it's too bad that they're not carrying Hims products or Baum 
products. cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

On May 12, 2016, at 3:07 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
Maybe I missed this in another thread but you can now buy braille displays, 
switch interfaces and eye gaze trackers from the Apple store:

http://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all-accessories/accessibility

Selection is kinda thin at the moment but I'm sure they will keep adding stuff 
over time.

CB


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RE: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Simon Fogarty]

Sorry HW are going to release a tablet running android?

 Hmmm, interesting, how over priced will this be?

 It will be interesting to compare it to something say from Samsung or Google 

I'd still prefer my iPad or iPhone.

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On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Sent: Friday, 13 May 2016 8:32 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

Curious thing, that.  Although I am quite a Humanware fan, by and large, their 
latest product—a tablet running Android—is shortly to become available.  I 
don’t suppose that will be on Apple’s store. :)

Anyway, the great news is that Apple want exactly the same for the Brailliant 
displays that Humanware does.  Good.  That makes it a lot easier, when the time 
is right.

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Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Getting back to Apple selling Braille displays, does it include VAT (for the US 
users), Value Added Tax?  This is a tax that people have to pay when buying 
expensive electronic things but if you have a specialist device that has been 
adapted for the end user such as equipment for the Blind, VAT is excluded.

I have two Braille displays but don’t seem to use them as much although I use 
braille daily as part of my job being a braille transcriber.  If I want to 
remember notes, phone numbers etc, braille is what I need.  I love braille on 
IOS but am disappointed that I can’t use braille on my Apple Computers.
> On 13 May 2016, at 21:23, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> VU stands for Vario Ultra, the newest display from Baum.  And just FYI, one 
> of it's features is multiple options for configuring how the panning keys 
> behave.  I can't remember all the choices off-hand, but I'm pretty sure you 
> could set it up to pan the way you describe.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On May 13, 2016, at 2:59 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> I tend to agree with you, Donna.
>> 
>> By the way, what is a VU?  You wrote that you like that your VU is 
>> completely silent.
>> 
>> As for me, I am a big fan of the Focus 40 Blue.  
>> 
>> One thing I cannot stand about using the Focus 40 Blue, in iOS particularly, 
>> is that one cannot switch the panning keys.  
>> 
>> Currently, although this was not always the case, one could use the left 
>> panning keys to advance the Braille display.  Now, one can only use the 
>> right panning key to move right and the left panning key to move left.  
>> 
>> I, however, read Braille with my right index finger.  In so doing, I much 
>> prefer to pan with my left hand, only.  As it stands, I must now read and 
>> pan with my right hand.  This causes an enormous amount of fatigue.  
>> 
>> In Windows, using Jaws, there is a reverse pan feature, thank goodness.
>> 
>> I say all this to say that my next Braille display purchasing decision will 
>> be based on whether or not the device has a hardware, rather than a 
>> software, feature to allow reverse panning.  
>> 
>> If any of you know of such a device, please let me know.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 12:40 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items
>> 
>> Oh, and in answer to your question, Sabahattin, IOS devices are already 
>> pretty bloody close to replacing a notetaker, at least for me.  But I think 
>> it may have come as close as its ever going to.  First, it would have to 
>> have built-in braille, not something paired by bluetooth.  I turn on the 
>> device and up comes the braille.  There would have to be no lag between the 
>> device and the braille.   I love that my VU is completely silent.  If I wake 
>> up in the middle of the night and want to read, I just pick it up and turn 
>> it on.  And since I was probably in my book in the Word Processor when I 
>> turned it off, I come right up to the place I left off when I last put it 
>> down.  Easy peasy.
>> 
>> It's funny, as I write this, it occurs to me that for me, having a notetaker 
>> is sort of my equivalent of having a Kindle or a Nook.  And I know sighted 
>> people who have both a smart phone, and a reading device.  It's really just 
>> a reading device, and sometimes a quick note-taking device.  I like that 
>> it's separate from my phone.  My reading will never be interrupted by any 
>> game, Facebook, text message, phone call, or one of the myriad of other 
>> alerts I might get from my phone.  This is also why I have a separate iPod.  
>> There's nothing on it but my music and audiobooks, for the same reason.  If 
>> I'm listening to music, I don't want the chatter from my phone cutting into 
>> it.  Don't get me wrong, I love that my teeny tiny phone can do all this 
>> stuff.  And there've been plenty of times I was very happy that that was the 
>> only device I needed to have with me, and it could keep me connected, 
>> entertained, and provide me with reading and music pleasure.  But when 
>> traveling light is not an issue, I prefer doing these things on separate 
>> devices.  Our phones are great, but boy they do make a racket. :)
>> 
>> Just my thoughts.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On May 13, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>

Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Mark,

VU stands for Vario Ultra, the newest display from Baum.  And just FYI, one of 
it's features is multiple options for configuring how the panning keys behave.  
I can't remember all the choices off-hand, but I'm pretty sure you could set it 
up to pan the way you describe.
Cheers,
Donna
> On May 13, 2016, at 2:59 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> I tend to agree with you, Donna.
> 
> By the way, what is a VU?  You wrote that you like that your VU is completely 
> silent.
> 
> As for me, I am a big fan of the Focus 40 Blue.  
> 
> One thing I cannot stand about using the Focus 40 Blue, in iOS particularly, 
> is that one cannot switch the panning keys.  
> 
> Currently, although this was not always the case, one could use the left 
> panning keys to advance the Braille display.  Now, one can only use the right 
> panning key to move right and the left panning key to move left.  
> 
> I, however, read Braille with my right index finger.  In so doing, I much 
> prefer to pan with my left hand, only.  As it stands, I must now read and pan 
> with my right hand.  This causes an enormous amount of fatigue.  
> 
> In Windows, using Jaws, there is a reverse pan feature, thank goodness.
> 
> I say all this to say that my next Braille display purchasing decision will 
> be based on whether or not the device has a hardware, rather than a software, 
> feature to allow reverse panning.  
> 
> If any of you know of such a device, please let me know.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 12:40 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items
> 
> Oh, and in answer to your question, Sabahattin, IOS devices are already 
> pretty bloody close to replacing a notetaker, at least for me.  But I think 
> it may have come as close as its ever going to.  First, it would have to have 
> built-in braille, not something paired by bluetooth.  I turn on the device 
> and up comes the braille.  There would have to be no lag between the device 
> and the braille.   I love that my VU is completely silent.  If I wake up in 
> the middle of the night and want to read, I just pick it up and turn it on.  
> And since I was probably in my book in the Word Processor when I turned it 
> off, I come right up to the place I left off when I last put it down.  Easy 
> peasy.
> 
> It's funny, as I write this, it occurs to me that for me, having a notetaker 
> is sort of my equivalent of having a Kindle or a Nook.  And I know sighted 
> people who have both a smart phone, and a reading device.  It's really just a 
> reading device, and sometimes a quick note-taking device.  I like that it's 
> separate from my phone.  My reading will never be interrupted by any game, 
> Facebook, text message, phone call, or one of the myriad of other alerts I 
> might get from my phone.  This is also why I have a separate iPod.  There's 
> nothing on it but my music and audiobooks, for the same reason.  If I'm 
> listening to music, I don't want the chatter from my phone cutting into it.  
> Don't get me wrong, I love that my teeny tiny phone can do all this stuff.  
> And there've been plenty of times I was very happy that that was the only 
> device I needed to have with me, and it could keep me connected, entertained, 
> and provide me with reading and music pleasure.  But when traveling light is 
> not an issue, I prefer doing these things on separate devices.  Our phones 
> are great, but boy they do make a racket. :)
> 
> Just my thoughts.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On May 13, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> I really dislike the FS braille displays, but did applaud their efforts to 
>> go more mainstream than their Humanware rival on the notetaker front.  
>> Inevitably, though, I stuck with BrailleNote because their most important 
>> function, note-taking and braille translation, remained unparalleled in my 
>> opinion, and above all things a note-taker must do is to be efficient, which 
>> is another area Humanware really excel at and have done so right through the 
>> Apex, which I now have.  Now they’re going Android, there is even more 
>> promise there, except for Google and privacy of course, and the fact that 
>> it’s running a two-releases-outdated version of Android.  I also much prefer 
>> the thumb keys and elegant design of Humanware braille displays to the 
>> fiddly alternatives.  But this is all a matter of personal taste, really.
>> 
>> Now, here’s a question: what would it take to 

RE: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[M. Taylor]

I tend to agree with you, Donna.

By the way, what is a VU?  You wrote that you like that your VU is completely 
silent.

As for me, I am a big fan of the Focus 40 Blue.  

One thing I cannot stand about using the Focus 40 Blue, in iOS particularly, is 
that one cannot switch the panning keys.  

Currently, although this was not always the case, one could use the left 
panning keys to advance the Braille display.  Now, one can only use the right 
panning key to move right and the left panning key to move left.  

I, however, read Braille with my right index finger.  In so doing, I much 
prefer to pan with my left hand, only.  As it stands, I must now read and pan 
with my right hand.  This causes an enormous amount of fatigue.  

In Windows, using Jaws, there is a reverse pan feature, thank goodness.

I say all this to say that my next Braille display purchasing decision will be 
based on whether or not the device has a hardware, rather than a software, 
feature to allow reverse panning.  

If any of you know of such a device, please let me know.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 12:40 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

Oh, and in answer to your question, Sabahattin, IOS devices are already pretty 
bloody close to replacing a notetaker, at least for me.  But I think it may 
have come as close as its ever going to.  First, it would have to have built-in 
braille, not something paired by bluetooth.  I turn on the device and up comes 
the braille.  There would have to be no lag between the device and the braille. 
  I love that my VU is completely silent.  If I wake up in the middle of the 
night and want to read, I just pick it up and turn it on.  And since I was 
probably in my book in the Word Processor when I turned it off, I come right up 
to the place I left off when I last put it down.  Easy peasy.

It's funny, as I write this, it occurs to me that for me, having a notetaker is 
sort of my equivalent of having a Kindle or a Nook.  And I know sighted people 
who have both a smart phone, and a reading device.  It's really just a reading 
device, and sometimes a quick note-taking device.  I like that it's separate 
from my phone.  My reading will never be interrupted by any game, Facebook, 
text message, phone call, or one of the myriad of other alerts I might get from 
my phone.  This is also why I have a separate iPod.  There's nothing on it but 
my music and audiobooks, for the same reason.  If I'm listening to music, I 
don't want the chatter from my phone cutting into it.  Don't get me wrong, I 
love that my teeny tiny phone can do all this stuff.  And there've been plenty 
of times I was very happy that that was the only device I needed to have with 
me, and it could keep me connected, entertained, and provide me with reading 
and music pleasure.  But when traveling light is not an issue, I prefer doing 
these things on separate devices.  Our phones are great, but boy they do make a 
racket. :)

Just my thoughts.
Cheers,
Donna

> On May 13, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I really dislike the FS braille displays, but did applaud their efforts to go 
> more mainstream than their Humanware rival on the notetaker front.  
> Inevitably, though, I stuck with BrailleNote because their most important 
> function, note-taking and braille translation, remained unparalleled in my 
> opinion, and above all things a note-taker must do is to be efficient, which 
> is another area Humanware really excel at and have done so right through the 
> Apex, which I now have.  Now they’re going Android, there is even more 
> promise there, except for Google and privacy of course, and the fact that 
> it’s running a two-releases-outdated version of Android.  I also much prefer 
> the thumb keys and elegant design of Humanware braille displays to the fiddly 
> alternatives.  But this is all a matter of personal taste, really.
> 
> Now, here’s a question: what would it take to turn an iOS device into a 
> notetaker replacement?
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Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Donna Goodin]

Oh, and in answer to your question, Sabahattin, IOS devices are already pretty 
bloody close to replacing a notetaker, at least for me.  But I think it may 
have come as close as its ever going to.  First, it would have to have built-in 
braille, not something paired by bluetooth.  I turn on the device and up comes 
the braille.  There would have to be no lag between the device and the braille. 
  I love that my VU is completely silent.  If I wake up in the middle of the 
night and want to read, I just pick it up and turn it on.  And since I was 
probably in my book in the Word Processor when I turned it off, I come right up 
to the place I left off when I last put it down.  Easy peasy.

It's funny, as I write this, it occurs to me that for me, having a notetaker is 
sort of my equivalent of having a Kindle or a Nook.  And I know sighted people 
who have both a smart phone, and a reading device.  It's really just a reading 
device, and sometimes a quick note-taking device.  I like that it's separate 
from my phone.  My reading will never be interrupted by any game, Facebook, 
text message, phone call, or one of the myriad of other alerts I might get from 
my phone.  This is also why I have a separate iPod.  There's nothing on it but 
my music and audiobooks, for the same reason.  If I'm listening to music, I 
don't want the chatter from my phone cutting into it.  Don't get me wrong, I 
love that my teeny tiny phone can do all this stuff.  And there've been plenty 
of times I was very happy that that was the only device I needed to have with 
me, and it could keep me connected, entertained, and provide me with reading 
and music pleasure.  But when traveling light is not an issue, I prefer doing 
these things on separate devices.  Our phones are great, but boy they do make a 
racket. :)

Just my thoughts.
Cheers,
Donna

> On May 13, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> I really dislike the FS braille displays, but did applaud their efforts to go 
> more mainstream than their Humanware rival on the notetaker front.  
> Inevitably, though, I stuck with BrailleNote because their most important 
> function, note-taking and braille translation, remained unparalleled in my 
> opinion, and above all things a note-taker must do is to be efficient, which 
> is another area Humanware really excel at and have done so right through the 
> Apex, which I now have.  Now they’re going Android, there is even more 
> promise there, except for Google and privacy of course, and the fact that 
> it’s running a two-releases-outdated version of Android.  I also much prefer 
> the thumb keys and elegant design of Humanware braille displays to the fiddly 
> alternatives.  But this is all a matter of personal taste, really.
> 
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> notetaker replacement?
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Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

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Lol.  That's exactly what I meant about things being subjective.  It was the 
Apex that I demoed not the MPower.  And I thought it was horribly inefficient.  
It felt like they were so invested in making sure that the user couldn't 
accidentally screw things up, that everything had extra steps.  So there you 
go, Scott. :)  Like I said, you really have to try a device out yourself.
Cheers,
Donna
> On May 13, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> I really dislike the FS braille displays, but did applaud their efforts to go 
> more mainstream than their Humanware rival on the notetaker front.  
> Inevitably, though, I stuck with BrailleNote because their most important 
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> opinion, and above all things a note-taker must do is to be efficient, which 
> is another area Humanware really excel at and have done so right through the 
> Apex, which I now have.  Now they’re going Android, there is even more 
> promise there, except for Google and privacy of course, and the fact that 
> it’s running a two-releases-outdated version of Android.  I also much prefer 
> the thumb keys and elegant design of Humanware braille displays to the fiddly 
> alternatives.  But this is all a matter of personal taste, really.
> 
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> notetaker replacement?
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Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

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I really dislike the FS braille displays, but did applaud their efforts to go 
more mainstream than their Humanware rival on the notetaker front.  Inevitably, 
though, I stuck with BrailleNote because their most important function, 
note-taking and braille translation, remained unparalleled in my opinion, and 
above all things a note-taker must do is to be efficient, which is another area 
Humanware really excel at and have done so right through the Apex, which I now 
have.  Now they’re going Android, there is even more promise there, except for 
Google and privacy of course, and the fact that it’s running a 
two-releases-outdated version of Android.  I also much prefer the thumb keys 
and elegant design of Humanware braille displays to the fiddly alternatives.  
But this is all a matter of personal taste, really.

Now, here’s a question: what would it take to turn an iOS device into a 
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Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Donna Goodin]

Hey Scott,

Sure, but keep in mind, I may not be your typical user.  I don't really want a 
full-fledged notetaker, but I do want something that's more than a dumb 
terminal.

I'm using a Baum VarioUltra, and I love, love, love it!  I have it paired 
with my Mac and my iPhone, and a cool thing about this display is that you can 
use it with both simultaneously.  The unit is extremely thin and light, can 
easily be tossed in a suitcase, and it's easy to carry around, even with a 
purse and/or my Mac..  The top is brushed metal, which I much prefer over 
plastic.  The keys are small and very quiet.  The braille is nice and crisp.  
When I'm not using it with my phone or Mac, I primarily use the word processor 
for reading books.  Remember, I'm a heavy braille user going back to first 
grade, so I'd much rather read a book or a document than listen to it.  The VU 
also has a PDF viewer, which has come in very handy.  The VU is a bit more 
complicated to operate than other displays I have used, but obviously that 
would not be a problem for you.  The only real drawback to the VU is that it's 
battery life is significantly shorter than other displays, I charge mine daily.

One thing I didn't like about the Humanware notetaker was that it seemed to 
assume that all users were 80-year-old grandmothers who'd never touched 
technology in their lives.  So everything was very dumbed down, and set up so 
that you really couldn't screw anything up.  That is not the case for the VU, 
if anything I might not recommend it to someone who isn't pretty comfortable 
with technology.

>From what I've seen the FS braille displays aren't bad, but they're just 
>displays.  Since I want something a bit more comprehensive than that, it 
>wouldn't meet my needs.

So, that's my $.02 on braille displays.  This topic has come up on lists 
before, and people's preferences are pretty subjective and vary widely.  If you 
ever get the chance, you might want to go to the CSUN conference in San Diego 
every March.  It's a nice opportunity because all the vendors are there, so you 
can actually give different braille displays a test drive and see what you like 
best.
Cheers,
Donna
> On May 13, 2016, at 1:23 PM, Scott  wrote:
> 
> Donna, would you mind detailing what you like in a braille display  find 
> interesting and what your favorite is?  I have one of the freedom scientific 
> models and It’s ok under winders, not great on the Mac, good on IOS but not 
> life changing or at least not as life changing as I thought it would be.  
> What am I missing?
> 
> :)
> 
>> On May 12, 2016, at 8:22 PM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> It's incredibly nice to see that Apple is doing this at all. However it 
>> looks like the only braille displays they carry our humanware. In my view, 
>> that's a serious limitation, humanware and freedom scientific being the 
>> least interesting braille displays on the market.  No offense to you 
>> humanware fans. I just think it's too bad that they're not carrying Hims 
>> products or Baum products. cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On May 12, 2016, at 3:07 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Maybe I missed this in another thread but you can now buy braille displays, 
>>> switch interfaces and eye gaze trackers from the Apple store:
>>> 
>>> http://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all-accessories/accessibility 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Selection is kinda thin at the moment but I'm sure they will keep adding 
>>> stuff over time.
>>> 
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Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Scott]

Donna, would you mind detailing what you like in a braille display  find 
interesting and what your favorite is?  I have one of the freedom scientific 
models and It’s ok under winders, not great on the Mac, good on IOS but not 
life changing or at least not as life changing as I thought it would be.  What 
am I missing?

:)

> On May 12, 2016, at 8:22 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi Chris,
> 
> It's incredibly nice to see that Apple is doing this at all. However it looks 
> like the only braille displays they carry our humanware. In my view, that's a 
> serious limitation, humanware and freedom scientific being the least 
> interesting braille displays on the market.  No offense to you humanware 
> fans. I just think it's too bad that they're not carrying Hims products or 
> Baum products. cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On May 12, 2016, at 3:07 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Maybe I missed this in another thread but you can now buy braille displays, 
>> switch interfaces and eye gaze trackers from the Apple store:
>> 
>> http://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all-accessories/accessibility 
>> 
>> 
>> Selection is kinda thin at the moment but I'm sure they will keep adding 
>> stuff over time.
>> 
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Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Donna Goodin]

I like having the notetaker functionality b/c it allows me to read books in 
braille without having to be connected to my phone.  I don't use the scheduler 
or the other apps, I do all that on my phone. But I do find the option of being 
able to work with braille text independent of the phone very handy.
Cheers,
Donna
> On May 13, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> I really like FS’s Focus 14 Blue, but I don’t like note-takers so it suits me 
> perfectly. I hate my old PACMate 20.
> I’ve also used a Focus 40 Blue which I also liked. I prefer these to my 
> Handitech Braillino which only works with my Mac and refuses to pair with my 
> iPhone.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 13 May 2016, at 15:58, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> I just think that other products are more sophisticated and better designed.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On May 13, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Jessica Moss >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> What's wrong with Humanware/fs's Braille displays?  I've never seen them so 
>>> can't give an opinion.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On May 12, 2016, at 8:22 PM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Chris,
 
 It's incredibly nice to see that Apple is doing this at all. However it 
 looks like the only braille displays they carry our humanware. In my view, 
 that's a serious limitation, humanware and freedom scientific being the 
 least interesting braille displays on the market.  No offense to you 
 humanware fans. I just think it's too bad that they're not carrying Hims 
 products or Baum products. cheers,
 Donna
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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> Maybe I missed this in another thread but you can now buy braille 
> displays, switch interfaces and eye gaze trackers from the Apple store:
> 
> http://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all-accessories/accessibility 
> 
> 
> Selection is kinda thin at the moment but I'm sure they will keep adding 
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> 
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I really like FS’s Focus 14 Blue, but I don’t like note-takers so it suits me 
perfectly. I hate my old PACMate 20.
I’ve also used a Focus 40 Blue which I also liked. I prefer these to my 
Handitech Braillino which only works with my Mac and refuses to pair with my 
iPhone.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 13 May 2016, at 15:58, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> I just think that other products are more sophisticated and better designed.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On May 13, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Jessica Moss > > wrote:
>> 
>> What's wrong with Humanware/fs's Braille displays?  I've never seen them so 
>> can't give an opinion.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On May 12, 2016, at 8:22 PM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Chris,
>>> 
>>> It's incredibly nice to see that Apple is doing this at all. However it 
>>> looks like the only braille displays they carry our humanware. In my view, 
>>> that's a serious limitation, humanware and freedom scientific being the 
>>> least interesting braille displays on the market.  No offense to you 
>>> humanware fans. I just think it's too bad that they're not carrying Hims 
>>> products or Baum products. cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On May 12, 2016, at 3:07 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Maybe I missed this in another thread but you can now buy braille 
 displays, switch interfaces and eye gaze trackers from the Apple store:
 
 http://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all-accessories/accessibility 
 
 
 Selection is kinda thin at the moment but I'm sure they will keep adding 
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[Donna Goodin]

I just think that other products are more sophisticated and better designed.
Cheers,
Donna
> On May 13, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> What's wrong with Humanware/fs's Braille displays?  I've never seen them so 
> can't give an opinion.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> It's incredibly nice to see that Apple is doing this at all. However it 
>> looks like the only braille displays they carry our humanware. In my view, 
>> that's a serious limitation, humanware and freedom scientific being the 
>> least interesting braille displays on the market.  No offense to you 
>> humanware fans. I just think it's too bad that they're not carrying Hims 
>> products or Baum products. cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
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>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
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>>> Maybe I missed this in another thread but you can now buy braille displays, 
>>> switch interfaces and eye gaze trackers from the Apple store:
>>> 
>>> http://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all-accessories/accessibility 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Selection is kinda thin at the moment but I'm sure they will keep adding 
>>> stuff over time.
>>> 
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Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Jessica Moss]

What's wrong with Humanware/fs's Braille displays?  I've never seen them so 
can't give an opinion.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 12, 2016, at 8:22 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi Chris,
> 
> It's incredibly nice to see that Apple is doing this at all. However it looks 
> like the only braille displays they carry our humanware. In my view, that's a 
> serious limitation, humanware and freedom scientific being the least 
> interesting braille displays on the market.  No offense to you humanware 
> fans. I just think it's too bad that they're not carrying Hims products or 
> Baum products. cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Maybe I missed this in another thread but you can now buy braille displays, 
>> switch interfaces and eye gaze trackers from the Apple store:
>> 
>> http://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all-accessories/accessibility
>> 
>> Selection is kinda thin at the moment but I'm sure they will keep adding 
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Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Jessica Moss]

Thanx for sharing this.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 12, 2016, at 4:07 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
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> Maybe I missed this in another thread but you can now buy braille displays, 
> switch interfaces and eye gaze trackers from the Apple store:
> 
> http://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all-accessories/accessibility
> 
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Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Katie,

I'm glad to learn that VR, at least in California, is purchasing the VU for its 
clients.  A couple years back I had to fight tooth and nail to get our Illinois 
VR to purchase a hims display for someone.  It seems the VR here is very much 
in bed with Freedom Scientific, and they won't even look at products by other 
companies.  Glad that isn't the case everywhere.
Cheers,
Donna
> On May 12, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Katie Zodrow  wrote:
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> Hi Donna.
> I went on Apple's site too earlier this afternoon and checked out some of the 
> accessibility products. That's really cool Apple is offering this now. Yes, 
> that's too bad they aren't selling the Baum Braille displays yet. I just got 
> my VarioUltra 40 Braille display in March. My counselor from Department of 
> rehab in California purchased this for me, and I just started getting 
> training on it this week.
> Katie
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> On May 12, 2016, at 5:22 PM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
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>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> It's incredibly nice to see that Apple is doing this at all. However it 
>> looks like the only braille displays they carry our humanware. In my view, 
>> that's a serious limitation, humanware and freedom scientific being the 
>> least interesting braille displays on the market.  No offense to you 
>> humanware fans. I just think it's too bad that they're not carrying Hims 
>> products or Baum products. cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On May 12, 2016, at 3:07 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Maybe I missed this in another thread but you can now buy braille displays, 
>>> switch interfaces and eye gaze trackers from the Apple store:
>>> 
>>> http://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all-accessories/accessibility 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Selection is kinda thin at the moment but I'm sure they will keep adding 
>>> stuff over time.
>>> 
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Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Donna Goodin]

Lol, I thought about the Android thing, too.  That makes it seem odd that 
Humanware would be the one company Apple would stock.

I should say that the only Humanware product with which I have experience is 
the BrailleNote MPower.  I thought it paled in comparison to other notetakers, 
but obviously that's just my opinion.
Cheers,
Donna
> On May 13, 2016, at 3:31 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> Curious thing, that.  Although I am quite a Humanware fan, by and large, 
> their latest product—a tablet running Android—is shortly to become available. 
>  I don’t suppose that will be on Apple’s store. :)
> 
> Anyway, the great news is that Apple want exactly the same for the Brailliant 
> displays that Humanware does.  Good.  That makes it a lot easier, when the 
> time is right.
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Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

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Curious thing, that.  Although I am quite a Humanware fan, by and large, their 
latest product—a tablet running Android—is shortly to become available.  I 
don’t suppose that will be on Apple’s store. :)

Anyway, the great news is that Apple want exactly the same for the Brailliant 
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Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

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Hi Donna.
I went on Apple's site too earlier this afternoon and checked out some of the 
accessibility products. That's really cool Apple is offering this now. Yes, 
that's too bad they aren't selling the Baum Braille displays yet. I just got my 
VarioUltra 40 Braille display in March. My counselor from Department of rehab 
in California purchased this for me, and I just started getting training on it 
this week.
Katie
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> 
> It's incredibly nice to see that Apple is doing this at all. However it looks 
> like the only braille displays they carry our humanware. In my view, that's a 
> serious limitation, humanware and freedom scientific being the least 
> interesting braille displays on the market.  No offense to you humanware 
> fans. I just think it's too bad that they're not carrying Hims products or 
> Baum products. cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Maybe I missed this in another thread but you can now buy braille displays, 
>> switch interfaces and eye gaze trackers from the Apple store:
>> 
>> http://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all-accessories/accessibility
>> 
>> Selection is kinda thin at the moment but I'm sure they will keep adding 
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>> 
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Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Chris,

It's incredibly nice to see that Apple is doing this at all. However it looks 
like the only braille displays they carry our humanware. In my view, that's a 
serious limitation, humanware and freedom scientific being the least 
interesting braille displays on the market.  No offense to you humanware fans. 
I just think it's too bad that they're not carrying Hims products or Baum 
products. cheers,
Donna

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> 
> http://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all-accessories/accessibility
> 
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Apple store now stocking accessibility items

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Maybe I missed this in another thread but you can now buy braille 
displays, switch interfaces and eye gaze trackers from the Apple store:


http://www.apple.com/shop/accessories/all-accessories/accessibility

Selection is kinda thin at the moment but I'm sure they will keep adding 
stuff over time.


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