Re: Bluetooth braille using Catalina the 10 point.15.3. Please read below?

2020-02-27 Thread Jonathan Cohn
I have now paired my Braille note touch plus running all current firmware with 
my Catai=lina and with my Mohabi systems. As I said when I did my original 
tests, there is absolutely no need to enter a pairing code, just to confirm it. 
If you want to FaceTime with me I can walk you through the process.
Jonathan Cohn



> On Feb 27, 2020, at 1:16 PM, maurice mines  wrote:
> 
> An update on the situation. I spent about an hour on the phone with tech 
> support for human wear. And unfortunately the same problem existed even with 
> the support professional. This issue has been thoroughly documented. I’ll 
> probably write you all an update when I find out what is being done to fix 
> this problem. Just me normal consumer think the problem is largely breast in 
> Cupertino. This use of a security code generated by my Mac for an adaptive 
> technology device is ready to kill us! If you can exempt speakers and things 
> that people want for purely entertainment purposes why is it that the blind 
> must put in codes and all sorts of specialty things in order to access our 
> hardware and use non visual access techniques. And they wonder why we have a 
> 70% unemployment rate. This is why people won’t hire Russ. Long story short 
> the big boys and operating systems need to understand that if they are going 
> to help people get employed they need to reduce the barriers to employment. 
> That’s not just on the state agencies.
> 
> Sincerely  Maurice Mines.
> 
>> On Feb 26, 2020, at 07:45, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, I’ll try tonight with my Catalina machine, but I expect to have no 
>> problems. Once you click pair in the VoiceOver dialog did you get a chime on 
>> your BrailleNoteTouchPlus?
>> If so at this point hit any braille routing key on the braille display.
>> Then answer the next two question in the affirmative and you should be 
>> paired.
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 26, 2020, at 12:08 AM, maurice mines  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, it’s still not working. In an email earlier today I 
>>> described all of the steps that I go through. I repeated these steps with 
>>> sided assistance this evening. It starts to connect and and immediately 
>>> disconnects. So it’s obviously a problem that’s bigger than me. I don’t 
>>> know who was to blame more here Apple for human where for not updating 
>>> better utility. This process worked under the first generation of the 
>>> braille note touch. But under the braille note touch plus nothing doing. 
>>> Even if you can match the code this device still will not talk to the other 
>>> device.
>>> 
>>> Looks like I’ll be petitioning for a new display. The request rejection and 
>>> the administrative appeals process is so much fun. Let’s hope it doesn’t 
>>> ring true administrative logic. Or I can pick an older display and meant 
>>> to. Long story short I’m giving up on this and tell human where an Apple 
>>> can someday come to terms on this one. Although I don’t know when that day 
>>> will be I suspect no time soon.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely a tired frustrated and very hacked off Lori’s mines.
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Re: Bluetooth braille using Catalina the 10 point.15.3. Please read below?

2020-02-27 Thread maurice mines
 An update on the situation. I spent about an hour on the phone with tech 
support for human wear. And unfortunately the same problem existed even with 
the support professional. This issue has been thoroughly documented. I’ll 
probably write you all an update when I find out what is being done to fix this 
problem. Just me normal consumer think the problem is largely breast in 
Cupertino. This use of a security code generated by my Mac for an adaptive 
technology device is ready to kill us! If you can exempt speakers and things 
that people want for purely entertainment purposes why is it that the blind 
must put in codes and all sorts of specialty things in order to access our 
hardware and use non visual access techniques. And they wonder why we have a 
70% unemployment rate. This is why people won’t hire Russ. Long story short the 
big boys and operating systems need to understand that if they are going to 
help people get employed they need to reduce the barriers to employment. That’s 
not just on the state agencies.

Sincerely  Maurice Mines.

> On Feb 26, 2020, at 07:45, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> OK, I’ll try tonight with my Catalina machine, but I expect to have no 
> problems. Once you click pair in the VoiceOver dialog did you get a chime on 
> your BrailleNoteTouchPlus?
> If so at this point hit any braille routing key on the braille display.
> Then answer the next two question in the affirmative and you should be paired.
> Jonathan
> 
> 
>> On Feb 26, 2020, at 12:08 AM, maurice mines  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Unfortunately, it’s still not working. In an email earlier today I described 
>> all of the steps that I go through. I repeated these steps with sided 
>> assistance this evening. It starts to connect and and immediately 
>> disconnects. So it’s obviously a problem that’s bigger than me. I don’t know 
>> who was to blame more here Apple for human where for not updating better 
>> utility. This process worked under the first generation of the braille note 
>> touch. But under the braille note touch plus nothing doing. Even if you can 
>> match the code this device still will not talk to the other device.
>> 
>> Looks like I’ll be petitioning for a new display. The request rejection and 
>> the administrative appeals process is so much fun. Let’s hope it doesn’t 
>> ring true administrative logic. Or I can pick an older display and meant to. 
>> Long story short I’m giving up on this and tell human where an Apple can 
>> someday come to terms on this one. Although I don’t know when that day will 
>> be I suspect no time soon.
>> 
>> Sincerely a tired frustrated and very hacked off Lori’s mines.
>> 
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Re: Bluetooth braille using Catalina the 10 point.15.3. Please read below?

2020-02-26 Thread Jonathan Cohn
OK, I’ll try tonight with my Catalina machine, but I expect to have no 
problems. Once you click pair in the VoiceOver dialog did you get a chime on 
your BrailleNoteTouchPlus?
If so at this point hit any braille routing key on the braille display.
Then answer the next two question in the affirmative and you should be paired.
Jonathan


> On Feb 26, 2020, at 12:08 AM, maurice mines  
> wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately, it’s still not working. In an email earlier today I described 
> all of the steps that I go through. I repeated these steps with sided 
> assistance this evening. It starts to connect and and immediately 
> disconnects. So it’s obviously a problem that’s bigger than me. I don’t know 
> who was to blame more here Apple for human where for not updating better 
> utility. This process worked under the first generation of the braille note 
> touch. But under the braille note touch plus nothing doing. Even if you can 
> match the code this device still will not talk to the other device.
> 
> Looks like I’ll be petitioning for a new display. The request rejection and 
> the administrative appeals process is so much fun. Let’s hope it doesn’t ring 
> true administrative logic. Or I can pick an older display and meant to. Long 
> story short I’m giving up on this and tell human where an Apple can someday 
> come to terms on this one. Although I don’t know when that day will be I 
> suspect no time soon.
> 
> Sincerely a tired frustrated and very hacked off Lori’s mines.
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Re: Bluetooth braille using Catalina the 10 point.15.3. Please read below?

2020-02-25 Thread maurice mines
 Unfortunately, it’s still not working. In an email earlier today I described 
all of the steps that I go through. I repeated these steps with sided 
assistance this evening. It starts to connect and and immediately disconnects. 
So it’s obviously a problem that’s bigger than me. I don’t know who was to 
blame more here Apple for human where for not updating better utility. This 
process worked under the first generation of the braille note touch. But under 
the braille note touch plus nothing doing. Even if you can match the code this 
device still will not talk to the other device.

Looks like I’ll be petitioning for a new display. The request rejection and the 
administrative appeals process is so much fun. Let’s hope it doesn’t ring true 
administrative logic. Or I can pick an older display and meant to. Long story 
short I’m giving up on this and tell human where an Apple can someday come to 
terms on this one. Although I don’t know when that day will be I suspect no 
time soon.

Sincerely a tired frustrated and very hacked off Lori’s mines.

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Re: Bluetooth braille using Catalina the 10 point.15.3. Please read below?

2020-02-25 Thread Jonathan Cohn
Actually, it is just asking you to confirm that the number is the same on both 
sides.
Jonathan


> On Feb 25, 2020, at 3:43 PM, maurice mines  wrote:
> 
> What I’m saying here, is you must enter in that six digit code exactly as it 
> appears on the screen on the device within 10 to 15 seconds any longer and it 
> corrupts it. There is no facility on the touch to enter that long of a code. 
> This device is set up for a four digit code Apple requires a six digit code 
> because it views it as a foreign device. Security in all.
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
> 
>> On Feb 25, 2020, at 12:38, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> It should be able to  paired via bluetooth but i don’t understand the things 
>> you were saying about the code.
>> Is the code a very long code that you can’t read because it disappears
>> or what?
>> Normally you will not get a code when pairing the display.
>> Remember that the display is not paired via bluetooth settings.
>> Its paired under VoiceOver utilities.
>> Thanks.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 25 feb. 2020 kl. 21:17 skrev maurice mines :
>>> 
>>> Hello, here’s the situation were variety of reasons I am down to using the 
>>> Braille Display that is embedded in a braille note touch plots. My Mac 
>>> defines it as a brilliant 32 display. However, when attempting to pair this 
>>> my Mac gives me a six digit code that must be typed into my braille note 
>>> touch plus which the code appears very quickly. I think the real problem 
>>> here is the fact that the code comes from the computer it is not the 
>>> manufacturer four digit code. So does any attempt to use this will not 
>>> work. Has anyone tried this with her Mac? The manufacturer human where 
>>> indicates that in theory this should work. Apple says there’s nothing that 
>>> can be done about the long code. Who’s right here? Or is this display just 
>>> simply on usable under Bluetooth. For the record USB doesn’t work either 
>>> because again it classifies it as a device needing to be charged if it 
>>> seems that at all.
>>> 
>>> Has anyone on this list experienced this? Also just for the sake of 
>>> clarity, I posted the same message essentially to the Braille Display users 
>>> list. Does anyone have any good suggestions. Or should I suddenly get into 
>>> the market for a new large Braille Display and see what can be found in 
>>> which agency should pay for the FedEx?
>>> 
>>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
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Re: Bluetooth braille using Catalina the 10 point.15.3. Please read below?

2020-02-25 Thread Jonathan Cohn
I answered this on the Braille Users list. The important thing here is 
understanding what to do when the notification pops up on the Braille Note. One 
has to click a routing key and then click yes and finally accept in order to 
tell the BrailleNote Touch it is OK to connect to the Mac.
Jonathan


> On Feb 25, 2020, at 3:17 PM, maurice mines  wrote:
> 
> Hello, here’s the situation were variety of reasons I am down to using the 
> Braille Display that is embedded in a braille note touch plots. My Mac 
> defines it as a brilliant 32 display. However, when attempting to pair this 
> my Mac gives me a six digit code that must be typed into my braille note 
> touch plus which the code appears very quickly. I think the real problem here 
> is the fact that the code comes from the computer it is not the manufacturer 
> four digit code. So does any attempt to use this will not work. Has anyone 
> tried this with her Mac? The manufacturer human where indicates that in 
> theory this should work. Apple says there’s nothing that can be done about 
> the long code. Who’s right here? Or is this display just simply on usable 
> under Bluetooth. For the record USB doesn’t work either because again it 
> classifies it as a device needing to be charged if it seems that at all.
> 
> Has anyone on this list experienced this? Also just for the sake of clarity, 
> I posted the same message essentially to the Braille Display users list. Does 
> anyone have any good suggestions. Or should I suddenly get into the market 
> for a new large Braille Display and see what can be found in which agency 
> should pay for the FedEx?
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
> 
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Re: Bluetooth braille using Catalina the 10 point.15.3. Please read below?

2020-02-25 Thread maurice mines
Good afternoon, unfortunately this doesn’t work. Because I go through these 
steps.

One go to the VoiceOver preferences to go into braille displays under braille. 
Three go to add new display. War interact with the list pick railing BIA 32 
311. Five click on it

A message appears that state waiting for the braille no touch plus or brilliant 
PI 3211 to accept the connection please make sure that the code on the display 
matches the code on the computer screen. There is no way that one can find that 
code in time to accept it. Because by the time I find the code many by the time 
the braille note touch plus gets the code the pairing window has already closed.

I get the message that parenting was “unsuccessful” cannot pay her with the 
brilliant BIA 3211. This is the Braille Display embedded in the braille note 
touch plus. I hope this helps?

Sincerely Maurice Mines

> On Feb 25, 2020, at 16:44, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Still you should not pair the display from the bluetooth preferences.
> Go into Vo utility and select the Braille category.
> Here you have 3 tabs.
> Select the braille display tab and then I think you can add a visible 
> bluetooth display from here.
> That’s actually what i did when pairing my Handytech or Helptech Basic 
> Braille 40.
> Good luck.
> /A
> 
>> 25 feb. 2020 kl. 21:43 skrev maurice mines :
>> 
>> What I’m saying here, is you must enter in that six digit code exactly as it 
>> appears on the screen on the device within 10 to 15 seconds any longer and 
>> it corrupts it. There is no facility on the touch to enter that long of a 
>> code. This device is set up for a four digit code Apple requires a six digit 
>> code because it views it as a foreign device. Security in all.
>> 
>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
>> 
>>> On Feb 25, 2020, at 12:38, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> It should be able to  paired via bluetooth but i don’t understand the 
>>> things you were saying about the code.
>>> Is the code a very long code that you can’t read because it disappears
>>> or what?
>>> Normally you will not get a code when pairing the display.
>>> Remember that the display is not paired via bluetooth settings.
>>> Its paired under VoiceOver utilities.
>>> Thanks.
>>> /A
>>> 
 25 feb. 2020 kl. 21:17 skrev maurice mines :
 
 Hello, here’s the situation were variety of reasons I am down to using the 
 Braille Display that is embedded in a braille note touch plots. My Mac 
 defines it as a brilliant 32 display. However, when attempting to pair 
 this my Mac gives me a six digit code that must be typed into my braille 
 note touch plus which the code appears very quickly. I think the real 
 problem here is the fact that the code comes from the computer it is not 
 the manufacturer four digit code. So does any attempt to use this will not 
 work. Has anyone tried this with her Mac? The manufacturer human where 
 indicates that in theory this should work. Apple says there’s nothing that 
 can be done about the long code. Who’s right here? Or is this display just 
 simply on usable under Bluetooth. For the record USB doesn’t work either 
 because again it classifies it as a device needing to be charged if it 
 seems that at all.
 
 Has anyone on this list experienced this? Also just for the sake of 
 clarity, I posted the same message essentially to the Braille Display 
 users list. Does anyone have any good suggestions. Or should I suddenly 
 get into the market for a new large Braille Display and see what can be 
 found in which agency should pay for the FedEx?
 
 Sincerely Maurice Mines.
 
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Re: Bluetooth braille using Catalina the 10 point.15.3. Please read below?

2020-02-25 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi!
Still you should not pair the display from the bluetooth preferences.
Go into Vo utility and select the Braille category.
Here you have 3 tabs.
Select the braille display tab and then I think you can add a visible bluetooth 
display from here.
That’s actually what i did when pairing my Handytech or Helptech Basic Braille 
40.
Good luck.
/A

> 25 feb. 2020 kl. 21:43 skrev maurice mines :
> 
> What I’m saying here, is you must enter in that six digit code exactly as it 
> appears on the screen on the device within 10 to 15 seconds any longer and it 
> corrupts it. There is no facility on the touch to enter that long of a code. 
> This device is set up for a four digit code Apple requires a six digit code 
> because it views it as a foreign device. Security in all.
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
> 
>> On Feb 25, 2020, at 12:38, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> It should be able to  paired via bluetooth but i don’t understand the things 
>> you were saying about the code.
>> Is the code a very long code that you can’t read because it disappears
>> or what?
>> Normally you will not get a code when pairing the display.
>> Remember that the display is not paired via bluetooth settings.
>> Its paired under VoiceOver utilities.
>> Thanks.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 25 feb. 2020 kl. 21:17 skrev maurice mines :
>>> 
>>> Hello, here’s the situation were variety of reasons I am down to using the 
>>> Braille Display that is embedded in a braille note touch plots. My Mac 
>>> defines it as a brilliant 32 display. However, when attempting to pair this 
>>> my Mac gives me a six digit code that must be typed into my braille note 
>>> touch plus which the code appears very quickly. I think the real problem 
>>> here is the fact that the code comes from the computer it is not the 
>>> manufacturer four digit code. So does any attempt to use this will not 
>>> work. Has anyone tried this with her Mac? The manufacturer human where 
>>> indicates that in theory this should work. Apple says there’s nothing that 
>>> can be done about the long code. Who’s right here? Or is this display just 
>>> simply on usable under Bluetooth. For the record USB doesn’t work either 
>>> because again it classifies it as a device needing to be charged if it 
>>> seems that at all.
>>> 
>>> Has anyone on this list experienced this? Also just for the sake of 
>>> clarity, I posted the same message essentially to the Braille Display users 
>>> list. Does anyone have any good suggestions. Or should I suddenly get into 
>>> the market for a new large Braille Display and see what can be found in 
>>> which agency should pay for the FedEx?
>>> 
>>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
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Re: Bluetooth braille using Catalina the 10 point.15.3. Please read below?

2020-02-25 Thread maurice mines
 What I’m saying here, is you must enter in that six digit code exactly as it 
appears on the screen on the device within 10 to 15 seconds any longer and it 
corrupts it. There is no facility on the touch to enter that long of a code. 
This device is set up for a four digit code Apple requires a six digit code 
because it views it as a foreign device. Security in all.

Sincerely Maurice Mines.

> On Feb 25, 2020, at 12:38, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> It should be able to  paired via bluetooth but i don’t understand the things 
> you were saying about the code.
> Is the code a very long code that you can’t read because it disappears
> or what?
> Normally you will not get a code when pairing the display.
> Remember that the display is not paired via bluetooth settings.
> Its paired under VoiceOver utilities.
> Thanks.
> /A
> 
>> 25 feb. 2020 kl. 21:17 skrev maurice mines :
>> 
>> Hello, here’s the situation were variety of reasons I am down to using the 
>> Braille Display that is embedded in a braille note touch plots. My Mac 
>> defines it as a brilliant 32 display. However, when attempting to pair this 
>> my Mac gives me a six digit code that must be typed into my braille note 
>> touch plus which the code appears very quickly. I think the real problem 
>> here is the fact that the code comes from the computer it is not the 
>> manufacturer four digit code. So does any attempt to use this will not work. 
>> Has anyone tried this with her Mac? The manufacturer human where indicates 
>> that in theory this should work. Apple says there’s nothing that can be done 
>> about the long code. Who’s right here? Or is this display just simply on 
>> usable under Bluetooth. For the record USB doesn’t work either because again 
>> it classifies it as a device needing to be charged if it seems that at all.
>> 
>> Has anyone on this list experienced this? Also just for the sake of clarity, 
>> I posted the same message essentially to the Braille Display users list. 
>> Does anyone have any good suggestions. Or should I suddenly get into the 
>> market for a new large Braille Display and see what can be found in which 
>> agency should pay for the FedEx?
>> 
>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
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Re: Bluetooth braille using Catalina the 10 point.15.3. Please read below?

2020-02-25 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi!
It should be able to  paired via bluetooth but i don’t understand the things 
you were saying about the code.
Is the code a very long code that you can’t read because it disappears
or what?
Normally you will not get a code when pairing the display.
Remember that the display is not paired via bluetooth settings.
Its paired under VoiceOver utilities.
Thanks.
/A

> 25 feb. 2020 kl. 21:17 skrev maurice mines :
> 
> Hello, here’s the situation were variety of reasons I am down to using the 
> Braille Display that is embedded in a braille note touch plots. My Mac 
> defines it as a brilliant 32 display. However, when attempting to pair this 
> my Mac gives me a six digit code that must be typed into my braille note 
> touch plus which the code appears very quickly. I think the real problem here 
> is the fact that the code comes from the computer it is not the manufacturer 
> four digit code. So does any attempt to use this will not work. Has anyone 
> tried this with her Mac? The manufacturer human where indicates that in 
> theory this should work. Apple says there’s nothing that can be done about 
> the long code. Who’s right here? Or is this display just simply on usable 
> under Bluetooth. For the record USB doesn’t work either because again it 
> classifies it as a device needing to be charged if it seems that at all.
> 
> Has anyone on this list experienced this? Also just for the sake of clarity, 
> I posted the same message essentially to the Braille Display users list. Does 
> anyone have any good suggestions. Or should I suddenly get into the market 
> for a new large Braille Display and see what can be found in which agency 
> should pay for the FedEx?
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
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Bluetooth braille using Catalina the 10 point.15.3. Please read below?

2020-02-25 Thread maurice mines
Hello, here’s the situation were variety of reasons I am down to using the 
Braille Display that is embedded in a braille note touch plots. My Mac defines 
it as a brilliant 32 display. However, when attempting to pair this my Mac 
gives me a six digit code that must be typed into my braille note touch plus 
which the code appears very quickly. I think the real problem here is the fact 
that the code comes from the computer it is not the manufacturer four digit 
code. So does any attempt to use this will not work. Has anyone tried this with 
her Mac? The manufacturer human where indicates that in theory this should 
work. Apple says there’s nothing that can be done about the long code. Who’s 
right here? Or is this display just simply on usable under Bluetooth. For the 
record USB doesn’t work either because again it classifies it as a device 
needing to be charged if it seems that at all.

Has anyone on this list experienced this? Also just for the sake of clarity, I 
posted the same message essentially to the Braille Display users list. Does 
anyone have any good suggestions. Or should I suddenly get into the market for 
a new large Braille Display and see what can be found in which agency should 
pay for the FedEx?

Sincerely Maurice Mines.

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