Re: Can't Expand Conversations in Mail

2013-11-27 Thread Jonathan Mosen
Thanks Robert, this one fixed it on her computer. A very handy trick to know if 
it ever happens again. Really appreciate everyone's help with this.
Jonathan Mosen
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On 27/11/2013, at 8:11 am, ROBERT CARTER nc5rn...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Jonathan,
 
 Simply hold down the command key and tap the left or right arrow a couple of 
 times. For some reason, this makes the expansion start working again.
 
 Robert Carter
 
  
 On Nov 25, 2013, at 9:27 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 Hi everyone, I'm stumped by an issue my partner is having on her Macbook Air 
 and wonder if anyone can tell me what I'm missing?
 When I'm in a list of email messages grouped by conversation, pressing 
 right-arrow on my Air expands that conversation and lets me down-arrow 
 through the individual messages. But on my partner's computer, group by 
 conversation is selected in the View Menu, and conversations are collapsed. 
 When we press right-arrow to expand the conversation, we get the error ding. 
 I've tried enabling and disabling the toolbar, hiding and showing the 
 mailbox list, and all kinds of other stuff, but no matter what I do I can't 
 get right-arrow to expand the conversations. Yes, quick-nav is definitely 
 off, and I've tried both interacting with the table and not. I can't 
 immediately see a difference between my system and hers and it works for me 
 and not for her. We're both running Mavericks.
 Anyone got any ideas?
 Thanks.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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Re: Can't Expand Conversations in Mail

2013-11-26 Thread Daniel McGee
Maybe try expanding the disclosure triangle. I have never had to do this myself 
in mail but once or maybe twice in iTunes.
To do this:
Hold down the Voiceover keys and hit the back slash key. This is located 
three letters from the letter L to the right.

I hope this helps.

Daniel 
On 26 Nov 2013, at 07:15, David Taylor e.david.tay...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Right arrow expands them for me.
 
 Cheers
 Dave
 
 On 26 Nov 2013, at 03:30, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Maybe open the disclosure triangle.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Nov 25, 2013, at 10:27 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 Hi everyone, I'm stumped by an issue my partner is having on her Macbook 
 Air and wonder if anyone can tell me what I'm missing?
 When I'm in a list of email messages grouped by conversation, pressing 
 right-arrow on my Air expands that conversation and lets me down-arrow 
 through the individual messages. But on my partner's computer, group by 
 conversation is selected in the View Menu, and conversations are collapsed. 
 When we press right-arrow to expand the conversation, we get the error 
 ding. I've tried enabling and disabling the toolbar, hiding and showing the 
 mailbox list, and all kinds of other stuff, but no matter what I do I can't 
 get right-arrow to expand the conversations. Yes, quick-nav is definitely 
 off, and I've tried both interacting with the table and not. I can't 
 immediately see a difference between my system and hers and it works for me 
 and not for her. We're both running Mavericks.
 Anyone got any ideas?
 Thanks.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
 
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Re: Can't Expand Conversations in Mail

2013-11-26 Thread Ray Foret Jr
No David, I think John was asking what the right arrow key does once voiceover 
has been turned off. Truth to tell, I have not the slightest idea. All I know, 
is, that come up for me, it seems to work.



Yes. This message has been dictated entirely by my voice. I have not touched 
the keyboard one single time since I started to dictate this message; and, 
furthermore, because I am using the expanded dictation future under Mavericks, 
I have not had to restart the dictation once during this entire text entry..
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Nov 26, 2013, at 1:15 AM, David Taylor e.david.tay...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Right arrow expands them for me.
 
 Cheers
 Dave
 
 On 26 Nov 2013, at 03:30, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Maybe open the disclosure triangle.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Nov 25, 2013, at 10:27 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 Hi everyone, I'm stumped by an issue my partner is having on her Macbook 
 Air and wonder if anyone can tell me what I'm missing?
 When I'm in a list of email messages grouped by conversation, pressing 
 right-arrow on my Air expands that conversation and lets me down-arrow 
 through the individual messages. But on my partner's computer, group by 
 conversation is selected in the View Menu, and conversations are collapsed. 
 When we press right-arrow to expand the conversation, we get the error 
 ding. I've tried enabling and disabling the toolbar, hiding and showing the 
 mailbox list, and all kinds of other stuff, but no matter what I do I can't 
 get right-arrow to expand the conversations. Yes, quick-nav is definitely 
 off, and I've tried both interacting with the table and not. I can't 
 immediately see a difference between my system and hers and it works for me 
 and not for her. We're both running Mavericks.
 Anyone got any ideas?
 Thanks.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
 
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Re: Can't Expand Conversations in Mail

2013-11-26 Thread Chris Moore
You also need quick nag off.
Chris
On Nov 26, 2013, at 2:15 AM, David Taylor e.david.tay...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Right arrow expands them for me.
 
 Cheers
 Dave
 
 On 26 Nov 2013, at 03:30, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Maybe open the disclosure triangle.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Nov 25, 2013, at 10:27 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 Hi everyone, I'm stumped by an issue my partner is having on her Macbook 
 Air and wonder if anyone can tell me what I'm missing?
 When I'm in a list of email messages grouped by conversation, pressing 
 right-arrow on my Air expands that conversation and lets me down-arrow 
 through the individual messages. But on my partner's computer, group by 
 conversation is selected in the View Menu, and conversations are collapsed. 
 When we press right-arrow to expand the conversation, we get the error 
 ding. I've tried enabling and disabling the toolbar, hiding and showing the 
 mailbox list, and all kinds of other stuff, but no matter what I do I can't 
 get right-arrow to expand the conversations. Yes, quick-nav is definitely 
 off, and I've tried both interacting with the table and not. I can't 
 immediately see a difference between my system and hers and it works for me 
 and not for her. We're both running Mavericks.
 Anyone got any ideas?
 Thanks.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
 
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Re: Can't Expand Conversations in Mail

2013-11-26 Thread Teresa Cochran
As far as I’m aware, it has to do with the disclosure triangle being in focus. 
If nothing else works, I interact with the message info in the list and press 
VO space when VO is actually on the disclosure triangle. This works every time, 
though arrow keys seem to be working ok for me at the moment. The description 
for VO-backslash says: “toggle disclosure triangle” which would seem to be the 
most specific keystroke for this purpose.

HtH,
Teresa

Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough.--Richard P. Feynman

On Nov 26, 2013, at 7:25 AM, Chris Moore chris.w...@gmail.com wrote:

 You also need quick nag off.
 Chris
 On Nov 26, 2013, at 2:15 AM, David Taylor e.david.tay...@googlemail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Right arrow expands them for me.
 
 Cheers
 Dave
 
 On 26 Nov 2013, at 03:30, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Maybe open the disclosure triangle.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Nov 25, 2013, at 10:27 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 Hi everyone, I'm stumped by an issue my partner is having on her Macbook 
 Air and wonder if anyone can tell me what I'm missing?
 When I'm in a list of email messages grouped by conversation, pressing 
 right-arrow on my Air expands that conversation and lets me down-arrow 
 through the individual messages. But on my partner's computer, group by 
 conversation is selected in the View Menu, and conversations are 
 collapsed. When we press right-arrow to expand the conversation, we get 
 the error ding. I've tried enabling and disabling the toolbar, hiding and 
 showing the mailbox list, and all kinds of other stuff, but no matter what 
 I do I can't get right-arrow to expand the conversations. Yes, quick-nav 
 is definitely off, and I've tried both interacting with the table and not. 
 I can't immediately see a difference between my system and hers and it 
 works for me and not for her. We're both running Mavericks.
 Anyone got any ideas?
 Thanks.
 Jonathan Mosen
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Re: Can't Expand Conversations in Mail

2013-11-26 Thread ROBERT CARTER
Hi Jonathan,

Simply hold down the command key and tap the left or right arrow a couple of 
times. For some reason, this makes the expansion start working again.

Robert Carter

 
On Nov 25, 2013, at 9:27 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:

 Hi everyone, I'm stumped by an issue my partner is having on her Macbook Air 
 and wonder if anyone can tell me what I'm missing?
 When I'm in a list of email messages grouped by conversation, pressing 
 right-arrow on my Air expands that conversation and lets me down-arrow 
 through the individual messages. But on my partner's computer, group by 
 conversation is selected in the View Menu, and conversations are collapsed. 
 When we press right-arrow to expand the conversation, we get the error ding. 
 I've tried enabling and disabling the toolbar, hiding and showing the mailbox 
 list, and all kinds of other stuff, but no matter what I do I can't get 
 right-arrow to expand the conversations. Yes, quick-nav is definitely off, 
 and I've tried both interacting with the table and not. I can't immediately 
 see a difference between my system and hers and it works for me and not for 
 her. We're both running Mavericks.
 Anyone got any ideas?
 Thanks.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
 
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Can't Expand Conversations in Mail

2013-11-25 Thread Jonathan Mosen
Hi everyone, I'm stumped by an issue my partner is having on her Macbook Air 
and wonder if anyone can tell me what I'm missing?
When I'm in a list of email messages grouped by conversation, pressing 
right-arrow on my Air expands that conversation and lets me down-arrow through 
the individual messages. But on my partner's computer, group by conversation is 
selected in the View Menu, and conversations are collapsed. When we press 
right-arrow to expand the conversation, we get the error ding. I've tried 
enabling and disabling the toolbar, hiding and showing the mailbox list, and 
all kinds of other stuff, but no matter what I do I can't get right-arrow to 
expand the conversations. Yes, quick-nav is definitely off, and I've tried both 
interacting with the table and not. I can't immediately see a difference 
between my system and hers and it works for me and not for her. We're both 
running Mavericks.
Anyone got any ideas?
Thanks.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

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Re: Can't Expand Conversations in Mail

2013-11-25 Thread Jessica D
Maybe open the disclosure triangle.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 25, 2013, at 10:27 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 Hi everyone, I'm stumped by an issue my partner is having on her Macbook Air 
 and wonder if anyone can tell me what I'm missing?
 When I'm in a list of email messages grouped by conversation, pressing 
 right-arrow on my Air expands that conversation and lets me down-arrow 
 through the individual messages. But on my partner's computer, group by 
 conversation is selected in the View Menu, and conversations are collapsed. 
 When we press right-arrow to expand the conversation, we get the error ding. 
 I've tried enabling and disabling the toolbar, hiding and showing the mailbox 
 list, and all kinds of other stuff, but no matter what I do I can't get 
 right-arrow to expand the conversations. Yes, quick-nav is definitely off, 
 and I've tried both interacting with the table and not. I can't immediately 
 see a difference between my system and hers and it works for me and not for 
 her. We're both running Mavericks.
 Anyone got any ideas?
 Thanks.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
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Re: Can't Expand Conversations in Mail

2013-11-25 Thread Greg Aikens
I’m also having this problem but am able to expand the message with VO+Space.  
Left arrow works to collapse it.  Not sure why this is happening.



On Nov 25, 2013, at 10:27 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:

 Hi everyone, I'm stumped by an issue my partner is having on her Macbook Air 
 and wonder if anyone can tell me what I'm missing?
 When I'm in a list of email messages grouped by conversation, pressing 
 right-arrow on my Air expands that conversation and lets me down-arrow 
 through the individual messages. But on my partner's computer, group by 
 conversation is selected in the View Menu, and conversations are collapsed. 
 When we press right-arrow to expand the conversation, we get the error ding. 
 I've tried enabling and disabling the toolbar, hiding and showing the mailbox 
 list, and all kinds of other stuff, but no matter what I do I can't get 
 right-arrow to expand the conversations. Yes, quick-nav is definitely off, 
 and I've tried both interacting with the table and not. I can't immediately 
 see a difference between my system and hers and it works for me and not for 
 her. We're both running Mavericks.
 Anyone got any ideas?
 Thanks.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
 
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Re: Can't Expand Conversations in Mail

2013-11-25 Thread Les Kriegler
Jonathan, I experiences from time to time as well. When this occurs, I am Lord 
voice over with command F5. Then I start using the down arrow and right arrow 
keys. Once the right arrow does not result in a dang, the problem is usually 
resolved. And then reload voiceover with commander five and all works until I 
happens again usually several weeks later.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 25, 2013, at 10:27 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 Hi everyone, I'm stumped by an issue my partner is having on her Macbook Air 
 and wonder if anyone can tell me what I'm missing?
 When I'm in a list of email messages grouped by conversation, pressing 
 right-arrow on my Air expands that conversation and lets me down-arrow 
 through the individual messages. But on my partner's computer, group by 
 conversation is selected in the View Menu, and conversations are collapsed. 
 When we press right-arrow to expand the conversation, we get the error ding. 
 I've tried enabling and disabling the toolbar, hiding and showing the mailbox 
 list, and all kinds of other stuff, but no matter what I do I can't get 
 right-arrow to expand the conversations. Yes, quick-nav is definitely off, 
 and I've tried both interacting with the table and not. I can't immediately 
 see a difference between my system and hers and it works for me and not for 
 her. We're both running Mavericks.
 Anyone got any ideas?
 Thanks.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
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Re: Can't Expand Conversations in Mail

2013-11-25 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Whenever this happens to me, which is very rare, what I do is turn off voice 
over, then, press the option key plus the white arrow. Then, I turn voiceover 
back on, and all is well. I hope that helps.



Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Nov 25, 2013, at 9:27 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:

 Hi everyone, I'm stumped by an issue my partner is having on her Macbook Air 
 and wonder if anyone can tell me what I'm missing?
 When I'm in a list of email messages grouped by conversation, pressing 
 right-arrow on my Air expands that conversation and lets me down-arrow 
 through the individual messages. But on my partner's computer, group by 
 conversation is selected in the View Menu, and conversations are collapsed. 
 When we press right-arrow to expand the conversation, we get the error ding. 
 I've tried enabling and disabling the toolbar, hiding and showing the mailbox 
 list, and all kinds of other stuff, but no matter what I do I can't get 
 right-arrow to expand the conversations. Yes, quick-nav is definitely off, 
 and I've tried both interacting with the table and not. I can't immediately 
 see a difference between my system and hers and it works for me and not for 
 her. We're both running Mavericks.
 Anyone got any ideas?
 Thanks.
 Jonathan Mosen
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Re: Can't Expand Conversations in Mail

2013-11-25 Thread Jonathan Mosen
I'll try that Ray, thanks. What does option+right-arrow do?
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On 26/11/2013, at 5:33 pm, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:

 Whenever this happens to me, which is very rare, what I do is turn off voice 
 over, then, press the option key plus the white arrow. Then, I turn voiceover 
 back on, and all is well. I hope that helps.
 
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in!
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
 
 On Nov 25, 2013, at 9:27 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 Hi everyone, I'm stumped by an issue my partner is having on her Macbook Air 
 and wonder if anyone can tell me what I'm missing?
 When I'm in a list of email messages grouped by conversation, pressing 
 right-arrow on my Air expands that conversation and lets me down-arrow 
 through the individual messages. But on my partner's computer, group by 
 conversation is selected in the View Menu, and conversations are collapsed. 
 When we press right-arrow to expand the conversation, we get the error ding. 
 I've tried enabling and disabling the toolbar, hiding and showing the 
 mailbox list, and all kinds of other stuff, but no matter what I do I can't 
 get right-arrow to expand the conversations. Yes, quick-nav is definitely 
 off, and I've tried both interacting with the table and not. I can't 
 immediately see a difference between my system and hers and it works for me 
 and not for her. We're both running Mavericks.
 Anyone got any ideas?
 Thanks.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
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 http://Mosen.org
 
 
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Re: Can't Expand Conversations in Mail

2013-11-25 Thread David Taylor
Right arrow expands them for me.

Cheers
Dave

On 26 Nov 2013, at 03:30, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maybe open the disclosure triangle.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Nov 25, 2013, at 10:27 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 Hi everyone, I'm stumped by an issue my partner is having on her Macbook Air 
 and wonder if anyone can tell me what I'm missing?
 When I'm in a list of email messages grouped by conversation, pressing 
 right-arrow on my Air expands that conversation and lets me down-arrow 
 through the individual messages. But on my partner's computer, group by 
 conversation is selected in the View Menu, and conversations are collapsed. 
 When we press right-arrow to expand the conversation, we get the error ding. 
 I've tried enabling and disabling the toolbar, hiding and showing the 
 mailbox list, and all kinds of other stuff, but no matter what I do I can't 
 get right-arrow to expand the conversations. Yes, quick-nav is definitely 
 off, and I've tried both interacting with the table and not. I can't 
 immediately see a difference between my system and hers and it works for me 
 and not for her. We're both running Mavericks.
 Anyone got any ideas?
 Thanks.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
 
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