Re: Need to get rid of a printer/scanner software from Mac Book Air El Capitan

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On 2/12/2018 7:31 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

Hello,

Did you install it from the App Store or from the printer material. I haven’t 
worked with this specific vendor, but some of the code does get dropped into a 
subdirectory of /Library

I wouldn’t worry too much about the driver software if you can’t find an 
uninstall program. It probably takes up less than 10MB of space on your disk.
Best Wishes,

Jonathan


On Feb 9, 2018, at 2:20 PM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:

Hi,

I had installed a Lexmark printer/scanner driver, but I changed my mind and 
want to   use a different brand.  Is there a way to find it and put it in the 
Trash?  I don’t see it in the list of apps.

Thanks,

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Re: Need to get rid of a printer/scanner software from Mac Book Air El Capitan

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,

Did you install it from the App Store or from the printer material. I haven’t 
worked with this specific vendor, but some of the code does get dropped into a 
subdirectory of /Library 

I wouldn’t worry too much about the driver software if you can’t find an 
uninstall program. It probably takes up less than 10MB of space on your disk.
Best Wishes,

Jonathan

> On Feb 9, 2018, at 2:20 PM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I had installed a Lexmark printer/scanner driver, but I changed my mind and 
> want to   use a different brand.  Is there a way to find it and put it in the 
> Trash?  I don’t see it in the list of apps.
> 
> Thanks,
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Need to get rid of a printer/scanner software from Mac Book Air El Capitan

[Sharon Hooley]

Hi,

I had installed a Lexmark printer/scanner driver, but I changed my mind and 
want to   use a different brand.  Is there a way to find it and put it in the 
Trash?  I don’t see it in the list of apps.

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Re: Problems with outbound mail on El Capitan

[matthew dyer]

Hi,

I am using hi Sierra on my iMac 2013 and have no problems sending messages from 
any of my email accounts.  The only exception was my outlook account, but I was 
able to fix it by changing the password to match the password of my incoming 
server.  Who is your email service if I may ask.  Thanks.

Matthew



> On Feb 2, 2018, at 5:43 AM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
> 
> Hello, 
> I am running the latest El Capitan 10.11.6 on my late 2008 iMac. Note that 
> this hardware does not support any more recent Mac OS releases.
> I use Apple Mail which has worked perfectly for years but about 2 weeks ago 
> outbound Email from my iMac stopped working with all outbound messages timed 
> out. Strangely outbound Email via the same router and email servers still 
> worked fine on my iPhone.
> A protracted discussion with my Email provider revealed that this provider no 
> longer supports the SSL protocol used by my version of Apple Mail, claiming 
> that this protocol is insecure. Fortunately I can still send outbound Emails 
> using a different email provider, but for how much longer?
> Have any others encountered this problem? Does this problem happen on High 
> Sierra? 
> Assuming that Apple have fixed Apple Mail on High Sierra might they retrofit 
> this fix to El Capitan especially because it is a security issue? 
> Many thanks and best regards...
> 
> Paul Hopewell 
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Re: Problems with outbound mail on El Capitan

[Jonathan Cohn]

Were they more specific about what they didn't like about SSL? You 
could look at the accounts tab / server settings. In there you should find a 
drop down list of servers for outgoing SMTP servers. The last item in that list 
will be edit. 

Then once you select the correct outgoing service you will probably need to 
click on server settings again to find out the details of the encryption. 
Protocol. 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Feb 2, 2018, at 6:11 AM, Daniel McGee  wrote:
> 
> Hey Paul
> 
> Don't know if this will help but have you tried deleting the account in mail. 
> Then when you go to add the account again, choose other? 
> 
> I've recently had a problem where apple mail wouldn't add my bt email account 
> via the default Yahoo settings and I was at the point of giving up and going 
> to ring up bt and explain what was happening. So as a last attempt, I 
> selected the other option when setting up the account and that for some 
> strange reason, worked. 
> 
> Might be worth ago. Also like you, the default Yahoo settings worked on my 
> ios devices. Weird a? 
> 
> Hope you can get it sorted! 
> 
> Daniel 
> 
>> On 2 Feb 2018, at 10:43, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, 
>> I am running the latest El Capitan 10.11.6 on my late 2008 iMac. Note that 
>> this hardware does not support any more recent Mac OS releases.
>> I use Apple Mail which has worked perfectly for years but about 2 weeks ago 
>> outbound Email from my iMac stopped working with all outbound messages timed 
>> out. Strangely outbound Email via the same router and email servers still 
>> worked fine on my iPhone.
>> A protracted discussion with my Email provider revealed that this provider 
>> no longer supports the SSL protocol used by my version of Apple Mail, 
>> claiming that this protocol is insecure. Fortunately I can still send 
>> outbound Emails using a different email provider, but for how much longer?
>> Have any others encountered this problem? Does this problem happen on High 
>> Sierra? 
>> Assuming that Apple have fixed Apple Mail on High Sierra might they retrofit 
>> this fix to El Capitan especially because it is a security issue? 
>> Many thanks and best regards...
>> 
>> Paul Hopewell 
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Re: Problems with outbound mail on El Capitan

[Daniel McGee]

Hey Paul

Don't know if this will help but have you tried deleting the account in mail. 
Then when you go to add the account again, choose other? 

I've recently had a problem where apple mail wouldn't add my bt email account 
via the default Yahoo settings and I was at the point of giving up and going to 
ring up bt and explain what was happening. So as a last attempt, I selected the 
other option when setting up the account and that for some strange reason, 
worked. 

Might be worth ago. Also like you, the default Yahoo settings worked on my ios 
devices. Weird a? 

Hope you can get it sorted! 

Daniel 

> On 2 Feb 2018, at 10:43, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
> 
> Hello, 
> I am running the latest El Capitan 10.11.6 on my late 2008 iMac. Note that 
> this hardware does not support any more recent Mac OS releases.
> I use Apple Mail which has worked perfectly for years but about 2 weeks ago 
> outbound Email from my iMac stopped working with all outbound messages timed 
> out. Strangely outbound Email via the same router and email servers still 
> worked fine on my iPhone.
> A protracted discussion with my Email provider revealed that this provider no 
> longer supports the SSL protocol used by my version of Apple Mail, claiming 
> that this protocol is insecure. Fortunately I can still send outbound Emails 
> using a different email provider, but for how much longer?
> Have any others encountered this problem? Does this problem happen on High 
> Sierra? 
> Assuming that Apple have fixed Apple Mail on High Sierra might they retrofit 
> this fix to El Capitan especially because it is a security issue? 
> Many thanks and best regards...
> 
> Paul Hopewell 
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Problems with outbound mail on El Capitan

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello, 
I am running the latest El Capitan 10.11.6 on my late 2008 iMac. Note that this 
hardware does not support any more recent Mac OS releases.
I use Apple Mail which has worked perfectly for years but about 2 weeks ago 
outbound Email from my iMac stopped working with all outbound messages timed 
out. Strangely outbound Email via the same router and email servers still 
worked fine on my iPhone.
A protracted discussion with my Email provider revealed that this provider no 
longer supports the SSL protocol used by my version of Apple Mail, claiming 
that this protocol is insecure. Fortunately I can still send outbound Emails 
using a different email provider, but for how much longer?
Have any others encountered this problem? Does this problem happen on High 
Sierra? 
Assuming that Apple have fixed Apple Mail on High Sierra might they retrofit 
this fix to El Capitan especially because it is a security issue? 
Many thanks and best regards...

Paul Hopewell 

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Re: What to try with a frozen Mac Book Air with El Capitan?

[Sharon Hooley]

> Actually, I was apparently able to fix my mac by doing the VO Command Power 
> key combination to shut it down, and option power and then enter.

Thanks again,


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Re: What to try with a frozen Mac Book Air with El Capitan?

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Sharon,

apple accessibility telephone, = free VoiceOver tech support;;  1-877-204-3930
Just tell them your using VO.
Talk soon
Chuck
"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’

On Jan 29, 2018, at 4:47 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> When switching from Windows 10 to my Mac Book Air with El Capitan, I could, 
> at first, turn on VoiceOver, but still heard the dead end sound when pressing 
> a lot of the keys trying to get around.  But I didn't hear other feedback 
> from VoiceOver, so I had to have sighted help to put in my passwords.  It 
> could not connect to Apple.  Now it's either stuck or won't start up 
> completely.  I believe this mac is either a 2014 or 2015 model.  Is there 
> anything I could try before taking it back to Apple?
> 
> Thanks for any input.
> 
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What to try with a frozen Mac Book Air with El Capitan?

[Sharon Hooley]

Hi,

When switching from Windows 10 to my Mac Book Air with El Capitan, I could, at 
first, turn on VoiceOver, but still heard the dead end sound when pressing a 
lot of the keys trying to get around.  But I didn't hear other feedback from 
VoiceOver, so I had to have sighted help to put in my passwords.  It could not 
connect to Apple.  Now it's either stuck or won't start up completely.  I 
believe this mac is either a 2014 or 2015 model.  Is there anything I could try 
before taking it back to Apple?

Thanks for any input.

Sharon H.

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Re: Need help creating signatures in El Capitan

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   Open Mail, go to Mail preferences, Signatures. Select your email 
account from the table, or select All Signatures if you want to use the 
same sigs for all accounts. The rest will be easy to figure out. The 
next table is where you will create the names for each sig, the final 
table where you will enter the corresponding sigs.


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On 11/12/2017 1:34 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

Hi,
I used to no how to do this, but I had to redo my email account.
Now I can’t figure out how to create custom signatures.
Could someone give me step by step instruction please?



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Need help creating signatures in El Capitan

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Hi,
I used to no how to do this, but I had to redo my email account.
Now I can’t figure out how to create custom signatures.
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Re: Problem editing calendar on El Capitan e3diting

[Jonathan Cohn]

Paul,

I don't generally mess with calendar entries in Calendar on my work El
Capitan since once a co-worker complained that I sent out 50 meeting
accepts. But in looking at it right now, what I find best is once the
appointment is highlighted, I press command-i (for info) and then I have no
difficulty tabbing around and editing fields.

Is this a standard iCloud calendar or another source? Also, is there a
specific view / sequence you have been using to view  the entry? I noticed
when in Month View, interacting did not always tell me anything about
individuals appointments on a specific day.

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 9:26 AM Paul Hopewell 
wrote:

> Hello,
> I am running the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac.
> I cannot edit either the event title or any notes to update a calendar
> entry. VO does not speak the characters in either of these fields as I
> arrow over them. Do others have this problem? If updating edit fields in
> calendar entries works for you then what VO speech verbosity settings an
> what VO navigation settings do you have?
> Many thanks.
>
> Paul Hopewell
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Re: Problem editing calendar on El Capitan e3diting

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Paul,

Sometimes, interacting makes these fields easier to edit. I’m on Sierra now so 
can’t test it for you.
Cheers,

Anne



> On 7 Sep 2017, at 15:26, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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> Hello, 
> I am running the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac. 
> I cannot edit either the event title or any notes to update a calendar entry. 
> VO does not speak the characters in either of these fields as I arrow over 
> them. Do others have this problem? If updating edit fields in calendar 
> entries works for you then what VO speech verbosity settings an what VO 
> navigation settings do you have? 
> Many thanks. 
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Problem editing calendar on El Capitan e3diting

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello, 
I am running the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac. 
I cannot edit either the event title or any notes to update a calendar entry. 
VO does not speak the characters in either of these fields as I arrow over 
them. Do others have this problem? If updating edit fields in calendar entries 
works for you then what VO speech verbosity settings an what VO navigation 
settings do you have? 
Many thanks. 

Paul Hopewell 

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Re: Marking an application as trusted in El Capitan

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

This is an issue with how the application this design. It must be modifying 
part of its package contents.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 

> On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:54 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> This is what is supposed to happen.  But in my experience, it just doesn't.  
> I'm on Sierra, and although I always open itext express in this way a,d would 
> expect not to have to open it via contextual menu once I've done it a few 
> times, I still have to do this.  I'm not sure where and how to report this to 
> Apple because it's not strictly accessibility issue.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Andrew
>> On 21 Jan 2017, at 19:58, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Locate the app within your Mac's Applications folder, press VO-shift-m to 
>> bring up the Contextual menu, then choose Open.  A dialog will appear for 
>> you to confirm and it should open without dialogs from then on.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jan 21, 2017, at 09:37, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
>> 
>> hello, 
>> I am running the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac.
>> My security options are set to only open applications from the Mac App store 
>> or from identified developers. 
>> I have an editing application obtained elsewhere which I trust. Is it 
>> possible to mark this application as trusted so that I do not get error 
>> messages when I try too open files which were last modified by this 
>> application? Currently I have to go to system preferences and then security 
>> and then click the button to say that it is OK to open the file with the 
>> above identified application. This is all a pain and I want to avoid having 
>> to do this. 
>> Many thanks.
>> 
>> Paul Hopewell 
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Re: Marking an application as trusted in El Capitan

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi Tim,

This is what is supposed to happen.  But in my experience, it just doesn't.  
I'm on Sierra, and although I always open itext express in this way a,d would 
expect not to have to open it via contextual menu once I've done it a few 
times, I still have to do this.  I'm not sure where and how to report this to 
Apple because it's not strictly accessibility issue.

Best wishes

Andrew
> On 21 Jan 2017, at 19:58, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Locate the app within your Mac's Applications folder, press VO-shift-m to 
> bring up the Contextual menu, then choose Open.  A dialog will appear for you 
> to confirm and it should open without dialogs from then on.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jan 21, 2017, at 09:37, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
> 
> hello, 
> I am running the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac.
> My security options are set to only open applications from the Mac App store 
> or from identified developers. 
> I have an editing application obtained elsewhere which I trust. Is it 
> possible to mark this application as trusted so that I do not get error 
> messages when I try too open files which were last modified by this 
> application? Currently I have to go to system preferences and then security 
> and then click the button to say that it is OK to open the file with the 
> above identified application. This is all a pain and I want to avoid having 
> to do this. 
> Many thanks.
> 
> Paul Hopewell 
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Re: Marking an application as trusted in El Capitan

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Locate the app within your Mac's Applications folder, press VO-shift-m to bring 
up the Contextual menu, then choose Open.  A dialog will appear for you to 
confirm and it should open without dialogs from then on.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 21, 2017, at 09:37, Paul Hopewell  wrote:

hello, 
I am running the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac.
My security options are set to only open applications from the Mac App store or 
from identified developers. 
I have an editing application obtained elsewhere which I trust. Is it possible 
to mark this application as trusted so that I do not get error messages when I 
try too open files which were last modified by this application? Currently I 
have to go to system preferences and then security and then click the button to 
say that it is OK to open the file with the above identified application. This 
is all a pain and I want to avoid having to do this. 
Many thanks.

Paul Hopewell 

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Marking an application as trusted in El Capitan

[Paul Hopewell]

hello, 
I am running the latest El Capitan on my late 2008 iMac.
My security options are set to only open applications from the Mac App store or 
from identified developers. 
I have an editing application obtained elsewhere which I trust. Is it possible 
to mark this application as trusted so that I do not get error messages when I 
try too open files which were last modified by this application? Currently I 
have to go to system preferences and then security and then click the button to 
say that it is OK to open the file with the above identified application. This 
is all a pain and I want to avoid having to do this. 
Many thanks.

Paul Hopewell 

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iBooks on El Capitan

[Marshall Scott]

Hi,
I'm trying to use iBooks to read a book under El Capitan.  I can't seem to 
access the menu bar.  Is this a bug or am I doing something stupid.  Does 
iBooks work better using Sierra?  And please don't tell me to use my iPhone!
Thanks,
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Re: Application for making ringtones for iphone & android phones using El Capitan?

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi,
Does it work on El Capitan or just ios?
Thanks
Chuck

On Sep 27, 2016, at 9:15 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:

> Do you get to choose the point where you want to create your ringtone, or 
> does it just automaticly start at the beginning of the track?  I have this 
> app called ringtones+, I think it’s called, that has over 500 prerecorded 
> ones, but you can create your own as well, but it always seems to start at 
> the beginning of the file, which I really don’t like, unless there’s a way to 
> change that, that’s not accessible.
>> On Sep 26, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
>> 
>> I use an iOS app named ring maker Pro from the Apple App Store. You execute 
>> this app on the iPhone or iPad and then send it to your Mac as an email or 
>> text message attachment. You then open it on the Mac (or PC) and iTunes will 
>> load it into your iTunes folders where it will then be available to download 
>> when you do a sink from your Mac (or PC). When you get this app, it will be 
>> named rmaker pro rather than ringmaker pro.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Sent from Bill's iPhone 6 (iOS 9.3.5)
>> 
>> On Sep 26, 2016, at 2:17 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi List,
>>> subject field says it all!
>>> I need an Application for making ringtones for iphone & android phones 
>>> using El Capitan?
>>> I have a new studio "ringtone" project that needs to be able to play on 
>>> iphone & android type phones?
>>> I  understand that for iphone you change the .m4a to "m4r, is that all you 
>>> half to do?
>>> 
>>> as for the android type phones I believe they use mp3 ring tones or .oog 
>>> files.
>>> I know the ringtones must be shorter than 40 seconds.
>>> I'm using Avid's Pro tools 12.5 so editing is not the issue creating the 
>>> proper format for any phone is the goal! :)
>>> not sure what to get?
>>> any apps that work on el capitan out there?
>>> Thanks
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> 
>>> CHUCK REICHEL
>>> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com
>>> www.SoundPictureRecording.com
>>> 954-742-0019
>>> GUFFAWING :)
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Re: Downgrading to El Capitan

[matthew dyer]

Hi Andrew,

If you have a bootable usb drive connected, holding down the option key for a 
few seconds then pressing left arrow once to select it should work.  HTH.

Matthew


> On Sep 28, 2016, at 9:13 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hi Listers,
> 
> Is it at all possible to downgrade from OS Sierra to El Capitan again?  If 
> yes, would it require a clean install of El Capitan and thus loss of all the 
> data?  Although my late 2010 Macbook air is listed by Apple as being capable 
> of running Sierra, I wonder whether it is too much to ask of it.  It may be 
> just on the border, and If I were not to be able to use Alex on it because of 
> the crashes, I'd be inconsolable.  No other voice seems to come up to 
> scratch.  And other voices seem to be more sluggish as well as interpret 
> things somewhat differently.
> 
> If a clean installation of El Capitan were to be necessary, I have 
> instructions on how to create a bootable El Capitan usb drive.  The only 
> question mark I have is - as you restart your mac with the option key 
> depressed in order to get a list of available booting disks - how can I 
> choose the usb drive reliably?  It's a matter of moving the right or left 
> arrow key once to select a different disk to start from but I can't remember 
> which way I need to move the cursor.  Any ideas?
> 
> Andrew
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Re: Downgrading to El Capitan

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi so on my girlfriend’s upcoming first ever mac will the c shortcut only work 
for USB? Asking as my late 2011 mac the c shortcut only boots from CD/DVD and 
not USB. Need to give her this information should she need to reinstall macOS.


> On 28 Sep 2016, at 18:43, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> Doesn't the C shortcut work for USB in addition to CD/DVD boots? 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 11:17 AM Anne Robertson  wrote:
> Hello Andrew,
> 
> 
>> On 28 Sep 2016, at 15:13, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>> If a clean installation of El Capitan were to be necessary, I have 
>> instructions on how to create a bootable El Capitan usb drive.  The only 
>> question mark I have is - as you restart your mac with the option key 
>> depressed in order to get a list of available booting disks - how can I 
>> choose the usb drive reliably?  It's a matter of moving the right or left 
>> arrow key once to select a different disk to start from but I can't remember 
>> which way I need to move the cursor.  Any ideas?
> 
> Press the right arrow key twice to get to the USB key. The first press takes 
> you to the recovery partition.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
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Re: Downgrading to El Capitan

[Jonathan Cohn]

Doesn't the C shortcut work for USB in addition to CD/DVD boots?

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 11:17 AM Anne Robertson 
wrote:

> Hello Andrew,
>
>
> On 28 Sep 2016, at 15:13, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>
> If a clean installation of El Capitan were to be necessary, I have
> instructions on how to create a bootable El Capitan usb drive.  The only
> question mark I have is - as you restart your mac with the option key
> depressed in order to get a list of available booting disks - how can I
> choose the usb drive reliably?  It's a matter of moving the right or left
> arrow key once to select a different disk to start from but I can't
> remember which way I need to move the cursor.  Any ideas?
>
>
> Press the right arrow key twice to get to the USB key. The first press
> takes you to the recovery partition.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
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Re: Downgrading to El Capitan

[michael babcock]

How to downgrade from macOS Sierra back to OS X El Capitan | iMore
http://www.imore.com/how-downgrade-macos-sierra-back-os-x-el-capitan 
<http://www.imore.com/how-downgrade-macos-sierra-back-os-x-el-capitan>

> On Sep 28, 2016, at 6:13 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
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> downgrade from OS Sierra to El Capitan

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Re: Downgrading to El Capitan

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Andrew,


> On 28 Sep 2016, at 15:13, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
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> If a clean installation of El Capitan were to be necessary, I have 
> instructions on how to create a bootable El Capitan usb drive.  The only 
> question mark I have is - as you restart your mac with the option key 
> depressed in order to get a list of available booting disks - how can I 
> choose the usb drive reliably?  It's a matter of moving the right or left 
> arrow key once to select a different disk to start from but I can't remember 
> which way I need to move the cursor.  Any ideas?

Press the right arrow key twice to get to the USB key. The first press takes 
you to the recovery partition.

Cheers,

Anne


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Downgrading to El Capitan

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi Listers,

Is it at all possible to downgrade from OS Sierra to El Capitan again?  If yes, 
would it require a clean install of El Capitan and thus loss of all the data?  
Although my late 2010 Macbook air is listed by Apple as being capable of 
running Sierra, I wonder whether it is too much to ask of it.  It may be just 
on the border, and If I were not to be able to use Alex on it because of the 
crashes, I'd be inconsolable.  No other voice seems to come up to scratch.  And 
other voices seem to be more sluggish as well as interpret things somewhat 
differently.

If a clean installation of El Capitan were to be necessary, I have instructions 
on how to create a bootable El Capitan usb drive.  The only question mark I 
have is - as you restart your mac with the option key depressed in order to get 
a list of available booting disks - how can I choose the usb drive reliably?  
It's a matter of moving the right or left arrow key once to select a different 
disk to start from but I can't remember which way I need to move the cursor.  
Any ideas?

Andrew

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Re: Application for making ringtones for iphone & android phones using El Capitan?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

Just curious, what is the advantage of using an app like this over just 
creating the ringtone yourself in iTunes?
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 28, 2016, at 12:21 AM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
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> First of all, I need to correct a minor error I made in my original post; the 
> name of the app is ringtone maker Pro.
> 
> As to the question about where it will begin creating the ringtone from a 
> sound source, it does begin at the very beginning. However, there are very 
> accessible features to allow you to start at a point in the sound source 
> where you prefer. The app will also allow you to create a 40 seconds ringtone 
> to as low as a five second ringtone/alarm. It may be less than five seconds, 
> but I'm not sure because I have never tried to go lower than a five second 
> tone.
> 
> The process is as follows:
> – Naturally, you open up the app.
> – You select a sound source – probably a song on your eye device.
> – There is also a provision for recording a new sound source.
> – You are then placed in a dialogue where you are able to select various 
> features such as beginning point and endpoint as well as fade in and fade out.
> – I think it is a very accessible as a well designed and usable app.
> – When finished, you hit the save button.
> – After saving the tone, there is a share button that will allow you to email 
> the tone as an attachment.
> 
> Disclaimer: I have absolutely no financial stake in the successful marketing 
> of this app!
> 
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Re: Application for making ringtones for iphone & android phones using El Capitan?

[Bill Gallik]

First of all, I need to correct a minor error I made in my original post; the 
name of the app is ringtone maker Pro.

As to the question about where it will begin creating the ringtone from a sound 
source, it does begin at the very beginning. However, there are very accessible 
features to allow you to start at a point in the sound source where you prefer. 
The app will also allow you to create a 40 seconds ringtone to as low as a five 
second ringtone/alarm. It may be less than five seconds, but I'm not sure 
because I have never tried to go lower than a five second tone.

The process is as follows:
– Naturally, you open up the app.
– You select a sound source – probably a song on your eye device.
– There is also a provision for recording a new sound source.
– You are then placed in a dialogue where you are able to select various 
features such as beginning point and endpoint as well as fade in and fade out.
– I think it is a very accessible as a well designed and usable app.
– When finished, you hit the save button.
– After saving the tone, there is a share button that will allow you to email 
the tone as an attachment.

Disclaimer: I have absolutely no financial stake in the successful marketing of 
this app!

– Bill & Leader Dog Holland

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Re: Application for making ringtones for iphone & android phones using El Capitan?

[Jessica Moss]

Do you get to choose the point where you want to create your ringtone, or does 
it just automaticly start at the beginning of the track?  I have this app 
called ringtones+, I think it’s called, that has over 500 prerecorded ones, but 
you can create your own as well, but it always seems to start at the beginning 
of the file, which I really don’t like, unless there’s a way to change that, 
that’s not accessible.
> On Sep 26, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
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> I use an iOS app named ring maker Pro from the Apple App Store. You execute 
> this app on the iPhone or iPad and then send it to your Mac as an email or 
> text message attachment. You then open it on the Mac (or PC) and iTunes will 
> load it into your iTunes folders where it will then be available to download 
> when you do a sink from your Mac (or PC). When you get this app, it will be 
> named rmaker pro rather than ringmaker pro.
> 
> 
> 
> - Sent from Bill's iPhone 6 (iOS 9.3.5)
> 
> On Sep 26, 2016, at 2:17 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  <mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi List,
>> subject field says it all!
>> I need an Application for making ringtones for iphone & android phones using 
>> El Capitan?
>> I have a new studio "ringtone" project that needs to be able to play on 
>> iphone & android type phones?
>> I  understand that for iphone you change the .m4a to "m4r, is that all you 
>> half to do?
>> 
>> as for the android type phones I believe they use mp3 ring tones or .oog 
>> files.
>> I know the ringtones must be shorter than 40 seconds.
>> I'm using Avid's Pro tools 12.5 so editing is not the issue creating the 
>> proper format for any phone is the goal! :)
>> not sure what to get?
>> any apps that work on el capitan out there?
>> Thanks
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>> CHUCK REICHEL
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>> www.SoundPictureRecording.com <http://www.soundpicturerecording.com/>
>> 954-742-0019
>> GUFFAWING :)
>> In GOD I Trust
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Re: Application for making ringtones for iphone & android phones using El Capitan?

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Bill,
Thanks again for your in-depth description.
I will half to look in to it.
Chuck

On Sep 26, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Bill Gallik wrote:

> I believe Ringtone Maker Pro is something like $1.99.  You do have to somehow 
> get the resulting ringtone into your iTunes library on your Mac or PC, but 
> this part is quite straight forward; after saving the newly created ringtone  
> you have an option to send an e-mail with the ringtone attached to an e-mail 
> account that’s active on the target Mac/PC.  At that point you simply open 
> the attachment MRA file and the ringtone is loaded into your iTunes library 
> where it will be available to load back to your iPhone via sync.  
> 
> There are a couple of caveats I must include here:
> 
> 1)  On a Windows PC you need to have iTunes set as the default program for 
> MRA files so that opening the newly created/e-mailed ringtone will be loaded 
> into the iTunes structures (yes, it will “magically” copied to the right 
> locations).
> 2)  For Android phones you’ll need a conversion program (i.e., Switch) to 
> convert the M4A/MRA file into an MP3 file.  This will require an additional 
> software library to create the MP3 on  your PC.  Since I don’t have an 
> Android phone I have no idea how to get a ringtone installed on said device, 
> but as I understand Android can be linked to a PC as just another drive I 
> should think this should be reasonably convenient using a COPY and PASTE.
> 
> 
> 
> - Bill & Leader Dog Holland
> - "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure 
> they are going to have some pretty  annoying virtues."
> - Elizabeth Taylor, 20th Century Screen Actress, (1932-2011)--
> 
>> On Sep 26, 2016, at 7:09 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi  Bill,
>> Thanks.
>> So your saying when you open a file from this ap it will put the .m4r file 
>> where its got to  go?
>> I have a friend that said you can get an app. and do it directly on the 
>> iphone, is this true?
>>  
>> How much?
>> Chuck
>> 
>> On Sep 26, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Bill Gallik wrote:
>> 
>>> I use an iOS app named ring maker Pro from the Apple App Store. You execute 
>>> this app on the iPhone or iPad and then send it to your Mac as an email or 
>>> text message attachment. You then open it on the Mac (or PC) and iTunes 
>>> will load it into your iTunes folders where it will then be available to 
>>> download when you do a sink from your Mac (or PC). When you get this app, 
>>> it will be named rmaker pro rather than ringmaker pro.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ****
>>> - Sent from Bill's iPhone 6 (iOS 9.3.5)
>>> 
>>> On Sep 26, 2016, at 2:17 PM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi List,
>>>> subject field says it all!
>>>> I need an Application for making ringtones for iphone & android phones 
>>>> using El Capitan?
>>>> I have a new studio "ringtone" project that needs to be able to play on 
>>>> iphone & android type phones?
>>>> I  understand that for iphone you change the .m4a to "m4r, is that all you 
>>>> half to do?
>>>> 
>>>> as for the android type phones I believe they use mp3 ring tones or .oog 
>>>> files.
>>>> I know the ringtones must be shorter than 40 seconds.
>>>> I'm using Avid's Pro tools 12.5 so editing is not the issue creating the 
>>>> proper format for any phone is the goal! :)
>>>> not sure what to get?
>>>> any apps that work on el capitan out there?
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Chuck
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> CHUCK REICHEL
>>>> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com
>>>> www.SoundPictureRecording.com
>>>> 954-742-0019
>>>> GUFFAWING :)
>>>> In GOD I Trust
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> Visionaries list.
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Re: Application for making ringtones for iphone & android phones using El Capitan?

[Bill Gallik]

I believe Ringtone Maker Pro is something like $1.99.  You do have to somehow 
get the resulting ringtone into your iTunes library on your Mac or PC, but this 
part is quite straight forward; after saving the newly created ringtone  you 
have an option to send an e-mail with the ringtone attached to an e-mail 
account that’s active on the target Mac/PC.  At that point you simply open the 
attachment MRA file and the ringtone is loaded into your iTunes library where 
it will be available to load back to your iPhone via sync.  

There are a couple of caveats I must include here:

1)  On a Windows PC you need to have iTunes set as the default program for MRA 
files so that opening the newly created/e-mailed ringtone will be loaded into 
the iTunes structures (yes, it will “magically” copied to the right locations).
2)  For Android phones you’ll need a conversion program (i.e., Switch) to 
convert the M4A/MRA file into an MP3 file.  This will require an additional 
software library to create the MP3 on  your PC.  Since I don’t have an Android 
phone I have no idea how to get a ringtone installed on said device, but as I 
understand Android can be linked to a PC as just another drive I should think 
this should be reasonably convenient using a COPY and PASTE.



- Bill & Leader Dog Holland
- "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure 
they are going to have some pretty  annoying virtues."
- Elizabeth Taylor, 20th Century Screen Actress, (1932-2011)--

> On Sep 26, 2016, at 7:09 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi  Bill,
> Thanks.
> So your saying when you open a file from this ap it will put the .m4r file 
> where its got to  go?
> I have a friend that said you can get an app. and do it directly on the 
> iphone, is this true?
>  
> How much?
> Chuck
> 
> On Sep 26, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Bill Gallik wrote:
> 
>> I use an iOS app named ring maker Pro from the Apple App Store. You execute 
>> this app on the iPhone or iPad and then send it to your Mac as an email or 
>> text message attachment. You then open it on the Mac (or PC) and iTunes will 
>> load it into your iTunes folders where it will then be available to download 
>> when you do a sink from your Mac (or PC). When you get this app, it will be 
>> named rmaker pro rather than ringmaker pro.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Sent from Bill's iPhone 6 (iOS 9.3.5)
>> 
>> On Sep 26, 2016, at 2:17 PM, CHUCK REICHEL > <mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi List,
>>> subject field says it all!
>>> I need an Application for making ringtones for iphone & android phones 
>>> using El Capitan?
>>> I have a new studio "ringtone" project that needs to be able to play on 
>>> iphone & android type phones?
>>> I  understand that for iphone you change the .m4a to "m4r, is that all you 
>>> half to do?
>>> 
>>> as for the android type phones I believe they use mp3 ring tones or .oog 
>>> files.
>>> I know the ringtones must be shorter than 40 seconds.
>>> I'm using Avid's Pro tools 12.5 so editing is not the issue creating the 
>>> proper format for any phone is the goal! :)
>>> not sure what to get?
>>> any apps that work on el capitan out there?
>>> Thanks
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> 
>>> CHUCK REICHEL
>>> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com <mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>
>>> www.SoundPictureRecording.com <http://www.soundpicturerecording.com/>
>>> 954-742-0019
>>> GUFFAWING :)
>>> In GOD I Trust
>>> 
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Re: Application for making ringtones for iphone & android phones using El Capitan?

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi  Bill,
Thanks.
So your saying when you open a file from this ap it will put the .m4r file 
where its got to  go?
I have a friend that said you can get an app. and do it directly on the iphone, 
is this true?
 
How much?
Chuck

On Sep 26, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Bill Gallik wrote:

> I use an iOS app named ring maker Pro from the Apple App Store. You execute 
> this app on the iPhone or iPad and then send it to your Mac as an email or 
> text message attachment. You then open it on the Mac (or PC) and iTunes will 
> load it into your iTunes folders where it will then be available to download 
> when you do a sink from your Mac (or PC). When you get this app, it will be 
> named rmaker pro rather than ringmaker pro.
> 
> 
> 
> - Sent from Bill's iPhone 6 (iOS 9.3.5)
> 
> On Sep 26, 2016, at 2:17 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi List,
>> subject field says it all!
>> I need an Application for making ringtones for iphone & android phones using 
>> El Capitan?
>> I have a new studio "ringtone" project that needs to be able to play on 
>> iphone & android type phones?
>> I  understand that for iphone you change the .m4a to "m4r, is that all you 
>> half to do?
>> 
>> as for the android type phones I believe they use mp3 ring tones or .oog 
>> files.
>> I know the ringtones must be shorter than 40 seconds.
>> I'm using Avid's Pro tools 12.5 so editing is not the issue creating the 
>> proper format for any phone is the goal! :)
>> not sure what to get?
>> any apps that work on el capitan out there?
>> Thanks
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>> CHUCK REICHEL
>> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com
>> www.SoundPictureRecording.com
>> 954-742-0019
>> GUFFAWING :)
>> In GOD I Trust
>> 
>> 
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Re: Application for making ringtones for iphone & android phones using El Capitan?

[Bill Gallik]

I use an iOS app named ring maker Pro from the Apple App Store. You execute 
this app on the iPhone or iPad and then send it to your Mac as an email or text 
message attachment. You then open it on the Mac (or PC) and iTunes will load it 
into your iTunes folders where it will then be available to download when you 
do a sink from your Mac (or PC). When you get this app, it will be named rmaker 
pro rather than ringmaker pro.



- Sent from Bill's iPhone 6 (iOS 9.3.5)

> On Sep 26, 2016, at 2:17 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
> subject field says it all!
> I need an Application for making ringtones for iphone & android phones using 
> El Capitan?
> I have a new studio "ringtone" project that needs to be able to play on 
> iphone & android type phones?
> I  understand that for iphone you change the .m4a to "m4r, is that all you 
> half to do?
> 
> as for the android type phones I believe they use mp3 ring tones or .oog 
> files.
> I know the ringtones must be shorter than 40 seconds.
> I'm using Avid's Pro tools 12.5 so editing is not the issue creating the 
> proper format for any phone is the goal! :)
> not sure what to get?
> any apps that work on el capitan out there?
> Thanks
> Chuck
> 
> 
> CHUCK REICHEL
> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com
> www.SoundPictureRecording.com
> 954-742-0019
> GUFFAWING :)
> In GOD I Trust
> 
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Application for making ringtones for iphone & android phones using El Capitan?

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi List,
subject field says it all!
I need an Application for making ringtones for iphone & android phones using El 
Capitan?
I have a new studio "ringtone" project that needs to be able to play on iphone 
& android type phones?
I  understand that for iphone you change the .m4a to "m4r, is that all you half 
to do?

as for the android type phones I believe they use mp3 ring tones or .oog files.
I know the ringtones must be shorter than 40 seconds.
I'm using Avid's Pro tools 12.5 so editing is not the issue creating the proper 
format for any phone is the goal! :)
not sure what to get?
any apps that work on el capitan out there?
Thanks
Chuck


CHUCK REICHEL
soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com
www.SoundPictureRecording.com
954-742-0019
GUFFAWING :)
In GOD I Trust

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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all. yes it's indead easy here rather than windows.


On 9/23/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Hey Scott,
>
>  Not sure about calling ramy old, but yeah good work to all with helping.
>
>  Makes things easier for all when we pitch in and assist.
>
>  Yeah installing macs is great,
>
> I was a windows user till a few years ago but now I do more with the mac OS
> than windows
> Although I'm still a heavy windows user.
> But my boss now comes to me for support on his mac and he's been using them
> for 20 plus years.
>
>  Go figure it's just so easy to pick things up.Hopefully this time next
> month I've got a mac OS cert under my belt.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2016 9:33 AM
> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via ;
> Ramy Moustafa 
> Subject: Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini
>
> Hey Ramy, congratulations on getting squared away.  DOn’t hesitate to ask
> questions here it’s a pleasure to help you out and soon you’ll be an old
> hand and able to help the next person starting out with the Mac.
>
> Good news is here that this whole process is accessible to us.  Can’t do
> this sort of thing with Windows nearly as easily although that hopefully
> will change soon.
>
> Let us know how your doing and great on your success.
>
>> On Sep 23, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all my friends:
>> I think  this will be the last message in this long thread.
>> Thanks so much, with your help, my mac mini now has the 10.8 mountain
>> lion which it was shipped with.
>> and am downloading sierra now. Thanks again for your help
>>
>>
>> On 9/22/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>> I can't believe myself,
>>> it'w working? no not working, but at least start installing.
>>> I discovered, the issue.
>>> , it was that the Voice over made automatic interaction with the
>>> table of hard disks. so, I can not find the install button at all.
>>> don't know why this happened. but this is what happened.
>>> anyway.
>>> it start downloading. and hope, it will continue, without any problems.
>>> Thanks for your continus help
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/21/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> There's no way that it should be taking that long.  In the window
>>>> that's on your screen, what sorts of things are announced?  Dimmed
>>>> buttons?
>>>> Progress
>>>> bars? Anything?
>>>>
>>>> Later...
>>>>
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 01:28, Ramy Moustafa 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Good morning Tim Scott and gsimon and all: tell now from about 12
>>>> hours I have  only the Mac HD message and using the VO F2 F2 brains
>>>> just one window install OS window this is the only window so I don't
>>>> know if it's downloading or not
>>>>
>>>> Please I need your help.and my Internet connection is a stable so
>>>> don't know what's going on.thank you.
>>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>>> Musicc instructor at:
>>>> faculty of musical education
>>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:39 AM, Scott Granados >>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named
>>>>> your volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>>>>>
>>>>> Should be good to go.
>>>>>
>>>>> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if
>>>>> the disk isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently
>>>>> but the above is the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>>>>>> mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you Scott.
>>>>>> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose
>>>>>> reinstalling OS or the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my
>>>>>> data on my Mac it's D if I choose reinstall when it

RE: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Simon Fogarty]

Hey Scott,

 Not sure about calling ramy old, but yeah good work to all with helping.

 Makes things easier for all when we pitch in and assist.

 Yeah installing macs is great,

I was a windows user till a few years ago but now I do more with the mac OS 
than windows 
Although I'm still a heavy windows user.
But my boss now comes to me for support on his mac and he's been using them for 
20 plus years.

 Go figure it's just so easy to pick things up.Hopefully this time next month 
I've got a mac OS cert under my belt.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2016 9:33 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via ; Ramy 
Moustafa 
Subject: Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

Hey Ramy, congratulations on getting squared away.  DOn’t hesitate to ask 
questions here it’s a pleasure to help you out and soon you’ll be an old hand 
and able to help the next person starting out with the Mac.

Good news is here that this whole process is accessible to us.  Can’t do this 
sort of thing with Windows nearly as easily although that hopefully will change 
soon.

Let us know how your doing and great on your success.

> On Sep 23, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello all my friends:
> I think  this will be the last message in this long thread.
> Thanks so much, with your help, my mac mini now has the 10.8 mountain 
> lion which it was shipped with.
> and am downloading sierra now. Thanks again for your help
> 
> 
> On 9/22/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> I can't believe myself,
>> it'w working? no not working, but at least start installing.
>> I discovered, the issue.
>> , it was that the Voice over made automatic interaction with the 
>> table of hard disks. so, I can not find the install button at all.
>> don't know why this happened. but this is what happened.
>> anyway.
>> it start downloading. and hope, it will continue, without any problems.
>> Thanks for your continus help
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/21/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> There's no way that it should be taking that long.  In the window 
>>> that's on your screen, what sorts of things are announced?  Dimmed 
>>> buttons?
>>> Progress
>>> bars? Anything?
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 01:28, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good morning Tim Scott and gsimon and all: tell now from about 12 
>>> hours I have  only the Mac HD message and using the VO F2 F2 brains 
>>> just one window install OS window this is the only window so I don't 
>>> know if it's downloading or not
>>> 
>>> Please I need your help.and my Internet connection is a stable so 
>>> don't know what's going on.thank you.
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>> Musicc instructor at:
>>> faculty of musical education
>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:39 AM, Scott Granados >> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named 
>>>> your volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>>>> 
>>>> Should be good to go.
>>>> 
>>>> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if 
>>>> the disk isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently 
>>>> but the above is the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
>>>>> mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you Scott.
>>>>> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose 
>>>>> reinstalling OS or the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my 
>>>>> data on my Mac it's D if I choose reinstall when it's remove my 
>>>>> data? I need to make clean in the store.thank you
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>>>> licturer at:
>>>>> faculty of musical education
>>>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados >>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>&g

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Scott Granados]

Hey Ramy, congratulations on getting squared away.  DOn’t hesitate to ask 
questions here it’s a pleasure to help you out and soon you’ll be an old hand 
and able to help the next person starting out with the Mac.

Good news is here that this whole process is accessible to us.  Can’t do this 
sort of thing with Windows nearly as easily although that hopefully will change 
soon.

Let us know how your doing and great on your success.

> On Sep 23, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello all my friends:
> I think  this will be the last message in this long thread.
> Thanks so much, with your help, my mac mini now has the 10.8 mountain
> lion which it was shipped with.
> and am downloading sierra now. Thanks again for your help
> 
> 
> On 9/22/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> I can't believe myself,
>> it'w working? no not working, but at least start installing.
>> I discovered, the issue.
>> , it was that the Voice over made automatic interaction with the table
>> of hard disks. so, I can not find the install button at all.
>> don't know why this happened. but this is what happened.
>> anyway.
>> it start downloading. and hope, it will continue, without any problems.
>> Thanks for your continus help
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/21/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> There's no way that it should be taking that long.  In the window that's
>>> on
>>> your screen, what sorts of things are announced?  Dimmed buttons?
>>> Progress
>>> bars? Anything?
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 01:28, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good morning Tim Scott and gsimon and all: tell now from about 12 hours I
>>> have  only the Mac HD message and using the VO F2 F2 brains just one
>>> window
>>> install OS window this is the only window so I don't know if it's
>>> downloading or not
>>> 
>>> Please I need your help.and my Internet connection is a stable so don't
>>> know
>>> what's going on.thank you.
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>> Musicc instructor at:
>>> faculty of musical education
>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:39 AM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your
 volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
 
 Should be good to go.
 
 Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the
 disk isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the
 above is the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
 
 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> Thank you Scott.
> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS
> or
> the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if
> I
> choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the
> store.thank you
> 
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
>> install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
>> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
>> 
>> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use
>> your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight
>> forward.
>> 
>> 
>> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Sir Scott
>>> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download
>>> his
>>> assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
>>> Thank
>>> you so much.
>>> 
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>> licturer at:
>>> faculty of musical education
>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
 available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice
 over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.
 Remember
 once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
 command F5 again will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not
 always happen)
 
 To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>  > wrote:
> 
>

RE: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Simon Fogarty]

Ramy,

Hi,

Great to hear you've got it working,

 And yes I forgot all about that issue.

 I have to found that vo wont automatically speak the drive table when it comes 
up.

 I had to turn vo off and on to get it to see things correctly.

 It's an easy fix when you know about it.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
Sent: Saturday, 24 September 2016 1:48 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

Hello all my friends:
I think  this will be the last message in this long thread.
Thanks so much, with your help, my mac mini now has the 10.8 mountain lion 
which it was shipped with.
and am downloading sierra now. Thanks again for your help


On 9/22/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> I can't believe myself,
> it'w working? no not working, but at least start installing.
> I discovered, the issue.
> , it was that the Voice over made automatic interaction with the table 
> of hard disks. so, I can not find the install button at all.
> don't know why this happened. but this is what happened.
> anyway.
> it start downloading. and hope, it will continue, without any problems.
> Thanks for your continus help
>
>
> On 9/21/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> There's no way that it should be taking that long.  In the window 
>> that's on your screen, what sorts of things are announced?  Dimmed 
>> buttons?
>> Progress
>> bars? Anything?
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 01:28, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Good morning Tim Scott and gsimon and all: tell now from about 12 
>> hours I have  only the Mac HD message and using the VO F2 F2 brains 
>> just one window install OS window this is the only window so I don't 
>> know if it's downloading or not
>>
>> Please I need your help.and my Internet connection is a stable so 
>> don't know what's going on.thank you.
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> Musicc instructor at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:39 AM, Scott Granados > <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>
>>> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named 
>>> your volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>>>
>>> Should be good to go.
>>>
>>> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if 
>>> the disk isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently 
>>> but the above is the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
>>>> mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Thank you Scott.
>>>> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling 
>>>> OS or the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac 
>>>> it's D if I choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to 
>>>> make clean in the store.thank you
>>>>
>>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>>> licturer at:
>>>> faculty of musical education
>>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados >>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs 
>>>>> or install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is 
>>>>> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll 
>>>>> use your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight 
>>>>> forward.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
>>>>>> mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Hello Sir Scott
>>>>>> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I 
>>>>>> download his assistant before installing or it will download it 
>>>>>> automatically?
>>>>>> Thank
>>>>>> you so much.
>>&

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

That's good to hear.  I hope this next try is less problematic than your first 
attempt.  Please don't feel bad about asking further questions, we're all here 
to help each other.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 23, 2016, at 07:47, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hello all my friends:
I think  this will be the last message in this long thread.
Thanks so much, with your help, my mac mini now has the 10.8 mountain
lion which it was shipped with.
and am downloading sierra now. Thanks again for your help


On 9/22/16, Ramy Moustafa mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I can't believe myself,
> it'w working? no not working, but at least start installing.
> I discovered, the issue.
> , it was that the Voice over made automatic interaction with the table
> of hard disks. so, I can not find the install button at all.
> don't know why this happened. but this is what happened.
> anyway.
> it start downloading. and hope, it will continue, without any problems.
> Thanks for your continus help
> 
> 
> On 9/21/16, Tim Kilburn mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> There's no way that it should be taking that long.  In the window that's
>> on
>> your screen, what sorts of things are announced?  Dimmed buttons?
>> Progress
>> bars? Anything?
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 01:28, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning Tim Scott and gsimon and all: tell now from about 12 hours I
>> have  only the Mac HD message and using the VO F2 F2 brains just one
>> window
>> install OS window this is the only window so I don't know if it's
>> downloading or not
>> 
>> Please I need your help.and my Internet connection is a stable so don't
>> know
>> what's going on.thank you.
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> Musicc instructor at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:39 AM, Scott Granados > >> wrote:
>> 
>>> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your
>>> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>>> 
>>> Should be good to go.
>>> 
>>> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the
>>> disk isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the
>>> above is the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa >>> 
 >> 
 wrote:
 
 Thank you Scott.
 But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS
 or
 the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if
 I
 choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the
 store.thank you
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados >>> 
 >> wrote:
 
> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
> install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
> 
> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use
> your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight
> forward.
> 
> 
> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa > 
>> >> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Sir Scott
>> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download
>> his
>> assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
>> Thank
>> you so much.
>> 
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados > 
>> >> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
>>> available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice
>>> over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.
>>> Remember
>>> once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
>>> command F5 again will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not
>>> always happen)
>>> 
>>> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa
 mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all my friends:
I think  this will be the last message in this long thread.
Thanks so much, with your help, my mac mini now has the 10.8 mountain
lion which it was shipped with.
and am downloading sierra now. Thanks again for your help


On 9/22/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> I can't believe myself,
> it'w working? no not working, but at least start installing.
> I discovered, the issue.
> , it was that the Voice over made automatic interaction with the table
> of hard disks. so, I can not find the install button at all.
> don't know why this happened. but this is what happened.
> anyway.
> it start downloading. and hope, it will continue, without any problems.
> Thanks for your continus help
>
>
> On 9/21/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> There's no way that it should be taking that long.  In the window that's
>> on
>> your screen, what sorts of things are announced?  Dimmed buttons?
>> Progress
>> bars? Anything?
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 01:28, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Good morning Tim Scott and gsimon and all: tell now from about 12 hours I
>> have  only the Mac HD message and using the VO F2 F2 brains just one
>> window
>> install OS window this is the only window so I don't know if it's
>> downloading or not
>>
>> Please I need your help.and my Internet connection is a stable so don't
>> know
>> what's going on.thank you.
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> Musicc instructor at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:39 AM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>>
>>> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your
>>> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>>>
>>> Should be good to go.
>>>
>>> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the
>>> disk isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the
>>> above is the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>>>
>>>
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa >>> > wrote:

  Thank you Scott.
 But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS
 or
 the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if
 I
 choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the
 store.thank you

 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados >>> > wrote:

> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
> install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
>
> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use
> your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight
> forward.
>
>
> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>>
>>  Hello Sir Scott
>> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download
>> his
>> assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
>> Thank
>> you so much.
>>
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
>>> available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice
>>> over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.
>>> Remember
>>> once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
>>> command F5 again will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not
>>> always happen)
>>>
>>> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa
 >>> > wrote:

 Hello all  people
 I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know
 if there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this
 and
 will VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance

 Ramy moustafa saber
 Musicc instructor at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

I can't believe myself,
it'w working? no not working, but at least start installing.
I discovered, the issue.
, it was that the Voice over made automatic interaction with the table
of hard disks. so, I can not find the install button at all.
don't know why this happened. but this is what happened.
anyway.
it start downloading. and hope, it will continue, without any problems.
Thanks for your continus help


On 9/21/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> There's no way that it should be taking that long.  In the window that's on
> your screen, what sorts of things are announced?  Dimmed buttons?  Progress
> bars? Anything?
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 01:28, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>
> Good morning Tim Scott and gsimon and all: tell now from about 12 hours I
> have  only the Mac HD message and using the VO F2 F2 brains just one window
> install OS window this is the only window so I don't know if it's
> downloading or not
>
> Please I need your help.and my Internet connection is a stable so don't know
> what's going on.thank you.
> Ramy moustafa saber
> Musicc instructor at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:39 AM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
>
>> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your
>> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>>
>> Should be good to go.
>>
>> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the
>> disk isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the
>> above is the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa >> > wrote:
>>>
>>>  Thank you Scott.
>>> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS or
>>> the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if I
>>> choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the
>>> store.thank you
>>>
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>> licturer at:
>>> faculty of musical education
>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>>
 If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
 install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
 partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.

 Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use
 your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight forward.


 Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
>
>  Hello Sir Scott
> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download his
> assistant before installing or it will download it automatically? Thank
> you so much.
>
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
>
>> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
>> available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice
>> over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.  Remember
>> once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
>> command F5 again will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not
>> always happen)
>>
>> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all  people
>>> I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know
>>> if there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and
>>> will VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance
>>>
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>> Musicc instructor at:
>>> faculty of musical education
>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

There's no way that it should be taking that long.  In the window that's on 
your screen, what sorts of things are announced?  Dimmed buttons?  Progress 
bars? Anything?

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 21, 2016, at 01:28, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Good morning Tim Scott and gsimon and all: tell now from about 12 hours I have  
only the Mac HD message and using the VO F2 F2 brains just one window install 
OS window this is the only window so I don't know if it's downloading or not

Please I need your help.and my Internet connection is a stable so don't know 
what's going on.thank you.
Ramy moustafa saber
Musicc instructor at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:39 AM, Scott Granados mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:

> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your 
> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
> 
> Should be good to go.
> 
> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the disk 
> isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the above is the 
> steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>> 
>>  Thank you Scott.
>> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS or 
>> the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if I 
>> choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the 
>> store.thank you
>> 
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>>> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or 
>>> install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is partitioned 
>>> and has the operating system on it for installation.
>>> 
>>> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use your 
>>> Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight forward.  
>>> 
>>> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa >>> > wrote:
 
  Hello Sir Scott
 Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download his 
 assistant before installing or it will download it automatically? Thank 
 you so much.
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados >>> > wrote:
 
> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is 
> available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice over 
> during install and get spoken directions the whole way.  Remember once in 
> a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing command F5 
> again will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not always happen)
> 
> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all  people
>> I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know if 
>> there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and will 
>> VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance
>> 
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> Musicc instructor at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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>> Visionaries list.
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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

Good morning Tim Scott and gsimon and all: tell now from about 12 hours I have  
only the Mac HD message and using the VO F2 F2 brains just one window install 
OS window this is the only window so I don't know if it's downloading or not

Please I need your help.and my Internet connection is a stable so don't know 
what's going on.thank you.
Ramy moustafa saber
Musicc instructor at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:39 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your 
> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
> 
> Should be good to go.
> 
> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the disk 
> isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the above is the 
> steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>>  Thank you Scott.
>> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS or 
>> the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if I 
>> choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the 
>> store.thank you
>> 
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or 
>>> install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is partitioned 
>>> and has the operating system on it for installation.
>>> 
>>> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use your 
>>> Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight forward.  
>>> 
>>> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa  
 wrote:
 
  Hello Sir Scott
 Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download his 
 assistant before installing or it will download it automatically? Thank 
 you so much.
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is 
> available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice over 
> during install and get spoken directions the whole way.  Remember once in 
> a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing command F5 
> again will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not always happen)
> 
> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all  people
>> I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know if 
>> there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and will 
>> VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance
>> 
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> Musicc instructor at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I believe that it should, although, I can't remember for sure how the Mountain 
Lion installer was.  Note, that this is going to download and install the 
Mountain Lion (10.8.*) installer, and you'll need to go to the App Store once 
again and click on the Upgrade to El Capitan (10.11.*) package to get El 
Capitan on your Mini.  Sorry, this didn't go as smoothly as it normally should, 
just your not so good luck it seems.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 20, 2016, at 09:27, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hello  Tim:
I followed all your advices, and I think it starts installing, it
didn't ask me for my Wi-Fi password or something.   it shows now only
my Macintosh HD as a name, I even look with VO+F@ F@, no other
windows.
Hope it starts downloading., just to be calm.
but wouldn't I see a progress indicator or something?


On 9/20/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> It sounds like your HD is fine, it has just been erased.  You should do the
> following:
> 
> 1.  Restart it again with cmd-option-r.  If you have access to a wired
> connection instead of WiFi, that would be better, but not imperative.
> 2.  When given the choices, choose Disk Utility.
> 3.  Press on the Untitled volume in the table.
> 4.  Erase it.  Make sure though to name the drive "Macintosh HD".  If you
> VO-right through the screen, you'll see a field where this can be set.  Do
> this prior to pressing the actual "Erase" button.
> 
> After the erase/reformat is complete, quit the Disk Utility by pressing
> cmd-q.  This will take you back to the main screen with the Recovery.
> 
> 5.  Select Re-Install MacOS, then Continue.
> 6.  Follow the prompts.
> 
> I believe that in one of the screens, there is a request for you to choose
> the disk for the installation.  Normally, it will automatically choose your
> internal Macintosh HD, but things don't always happen as they should.  Make
> sure that you choose this HD then the "Continue" button should be able to be
> pressed.  As in your original issue, it's possible that when your Apple ID
> is required, that dialog may not be visible.  Remember to check with the
> Window Chooser to see if something is waiting for your input.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 06:55, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello all:
> 
> Sorry for all my hascle,
> now, the continue button is dimmbed,
> nothing changed, , no progress etc.
> I made a restart, with command option r, and this time it worked, and
> after it opens,  I went to disk utility, I found my hd is called
> untitled, only 1 hd,
> I quit and I choose install os, but now th econtinue is dimmbed.
> is my HD damaged? or what happened?
> THanks
> 
> 
> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> Hello all:
>> 
>> finally, I found my friend, came to my studio to give me something, I
>> asked him to llok to screen, he found a screen, asking us to select
>> network, of cores the voice over was not speaking in this screen at
>> all.
>> I select the network with Keyboard, I inter my network key, and the
>> recovery starts.
>> it will install the Ox Mountain lion.  I ht agree, then I have only
>> untitled volume. just untitled, there is no way to choose it, no way
>> to press VO+space or something. so, what shall I do to continue?
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>> A Question comes to my mind:
>>> 
>>> did I erased a wrong hd? I mean, will the disk utility allow me to
>>> erase the recovery small partition? I have only 1 TB hd inside my mac
>>> mini.
>>> I'm just thinking outloud. and hope I can know the answer
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>>> Hello Simon:
>>>> Yes, I erezed  my mac hd, but when I was reinstalling the os, I signed
>>>> in, ut nothing changed for  a very long time, so I have to force shut
>>>> down my mac mini.
>>>> and I followed Tim's suggestion to start internet recovery,and the same
>>>> issue.
>>>> so, what might be happened?
>>>> what can I do now?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 9/20/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>>>> HI Ramy,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just reading more of this email and I see you say the el capitan
>>>>> installer
>>>>> had downloaded.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm just wondering if you are able to start the machine up in to a
>>>>> running
>>>>> state at all?
>>&g

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello  Tim:
I followed all your advices, and I think it starts installing, it
didn't ask me for my Wi-Fi password or something.   it shows now only
my Macintosh HD as a name, I even look with VO+F@ F@, no other
windows.
Hope it starts downloading., just to be calm.
 but wouldn't I see a progress indicator or something?


On 9/20/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It sounds like your HD is fine, it has just been erased.  You should do the
> following:
>
> 1.  Restart it again with cmd-option-r.  If you have access to a wired
> connection instead of WiFi, that would be better, but not imperative.
> 2.  When given the choices, choose Disk Utility.
> 3.  Press on the Untitled volume in the table.
> 4.  Erase it.  Make sure though to name the drive "Macintosh HD".  If you
> VO-right through the screen, you'll see a field where this can be set.  Do
> this prior to pressing the actual "Erase" button.
>
> After the erase/reformat is complete, quit the Disk Utility by pressing
> cmd-q.  This will take you back to the main screen with the Recovery.
>
> 5.  Select Re-Install MacOS, then Continue.
> 6.  Follow the prompts.
>
> I believe that in one of the screens, there is a request for you to choose
> the disk for the installation.  Normally, it will automatically choose your
> internal Macintosh HD, but things don't always happen as they should.  Make
> sure that you choose this HD then the "Continue" button should be able to be
> pressed.  As in your original issue, it's possible that when your Apple ID
> is required, that dialog may not be visible.  Remember to check with the
> Window Chooser to see if something is waiting for your input.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 06:55, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>
> Hello all:
>
> Sorry for all my hascle,
> now, the continue button is dimmbed,
> nothing changed, , no progress etc.
> I made a restart, with command option r, and this time it worked, and
> after it opens,  I went to disk utility, I found my hd is called
> untitled, only 1 hd,
> I quit and I choose install os, but now th econtinue is dimmbed.
> is my HD damaged? or what happened?
> THanks
>
>
> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> Hello all:
>>
>> finally, I found my friend, came to my studio to give me something, I
>> asked him to llok to screen, he found a screen, asking us to select
>> network, of cores the voice over was not speaking in this screen at
>> all.
>> I select the network with Keyboard, I inter my network key, and the
>> recovery starts.
>> it will install the Ox Mountain lion.  I ht agree, then I have only
>> untitled volume. just untitled, there is no way to choose it, no way
>> to press VO+space or something. so, what shall I do to continue?
>>
>>
>> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>> A Question comes to my mind:
>>>
>>> did I erased a wrong hd? I mean, will the disk utility allow me to
>>> erase the recovery small partition? I have only 1 TB hd inside my mac
>>> mini.
>>> I'm just thinking outloud. and hope I can know the answer
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>>> Hello Simon:
>>>> Yes, I erezed  my mac hd, but when I was reinstalling the os, I signed
>>>> in, ut nothing changed for  a very long time, so I have to force shut
>>>> down my mac mini.
>>>> and I followed Tim's suggestion to start internet recovery,and the same
>>>> issue.
>>>> so, what might be happened?
>>>> what can I do now?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/20/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>>>> HI Ramy,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just reading more of this email and I see you say the el capitan
>>>>> installer
>>>>> had downloaded.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm just wondering if you are able to start the machine up in to a
>>>>> running
>>>>> state at all?
>>>>>
>>>>> If so then the el capitan installer files are under your applications
>>>>> folder
>>>>> Command shift A to get in there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Running that or the APP file in side the dmg will start the process.
>>>>>
>>>>> If as Tim commented things might be correupted
>>>>> Then my question is do you have any content on the machine that you
>>>>> don't
>>>>> wish to lose?
>>>>>
>&

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

It sounds like your HD is fine, it has just been erased.  You should do the 
following:

1.  Restart it again with cmd-option-r.  If you have access to a wired 
connection instead of WiFi, that would be better, but not imperative.
2.  When given the choices, choose Disk Utility.
3.  Press on the Untitled volume in the table.
4.  Erase it.  Make sure though to name the drive "Macintosh HD".  If you 
VO-right through the screen, you'll see a field where this can be set.  Do this 
prior to pressing the actual "Erase" button.

After the erase/reformat is complete, quit the Disk Utility by pressing cmd-q.  
This will take you back to the main screen with the Recovery.

5.  Select Re-Install MacOS, then Continue.
6.  Follow the prompts.

I believe that in one of the screens, there is a request for you to choose the 
disk for the installation.  Normally, it will automatically choose your 
internal Macintosh HD, but things don't always happen as they should.  Make 
sure that you choose this HD then the "Continue" button should be able to be 
pressed.  As in your original issue, it's possible that when your Apple ID is 
required, that dialog may not be visible.  Remember to check with the Window 
Chooser to see if something is waiting for your input.

Good luck.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 20, 2016, at 06:55, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hello all:

Sorry for all my hascle,
now, the continue button is dimmbed,
nothing changed, , no progress etc.
I made a restart, with command option r, and this time it worked, and
after it opens,  I went to disk utility, I found my hd is called
untitled, only 1 hd,
I quit and I choose install os, but now th econtinue is dimmbed.
is my HD damaged? or what happened?
THanks


On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> Hello all:
> 
> finally, I found my friend, came to my studio to give me something, I
> asked him to llok to screen, he found a screen, asking us to select
> network, of cores the voice over was not speaking in this screen at
> all.
> I select the network with Keyboard, I inter my network key, and the
> recovery starts.
> it will install the Ox Mountain lion.  I ht agree, then I have only
> untitled volume. just untitled, there is no way to choose it, no way
> to press VO+space or something. so, what shall I do to continue?
> 
> 
> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> A Question comes to my mind:
>> 
>> did I erased a wrong hd? I mean, will the disk utility allow me to
>> erase the recovery small partition? I have only 1 TB hd inside my mac
>> mini.
>> I'm just thinking outloud. and hope I can know the answer
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>> Hello Simon:
>>> Yes, I erezed  my mac hd, but when I was reinstalling the os, I signed
>>> in, ut nothing changed for  a very long time, so I have to force shut
>>> down my mac mini.
>>> and I followed Tim's suggestion to start internet recovery,and the same
>>> issue.
>>> so, what might be happened?
>>> what can I do now?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/20/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>>> HI Ramy,
>>>> 
>>>> Just reading more of this email and I see you say the el capitan
>>>> installer
>>>> had downloaded.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm just wondering if you are able to start the machine up in to a
>>>> running
>>>> state at all?
>>>> 
>>>> If so then the el capitan installer files are under your applications
>>>> folder
>>>> Command shift A to get in there.
>>>> 
>>>> Running that or the APP file in side the dmg will start the process.
>>>> 
>>>> If as Tim commented things might be correupted
>>>> Then my question is do you have any content on the machine that you
>>>> don't
>>>> wish to lose?
>>>> 
>>>> I prefer in these situations to wipe my HD and have the install run
>>>> from
>>>> scratch rather than an update of the OS over a possibly corrupted
>>>> existing
>>>> install.
>>>> 
>>>> Hope this makes sense.
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2016 8:29 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini
>>>> 
>>>> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>>>> HThanks so much for your advice, til now nothing. I forc

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all:

Sorry for all my hascle,
now, the continue button is dimmbed,
nothing changed, , no progress etc.
I made a restart, with command option r, and this time it worked, and
after it opens,  I went to disk utility, I found my hd is called
untitled, only 1 hd,
I quit and I choose install os, but now th econtinue is dimmbed.
is my HD damaged? or what happened?
THanks


On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> Hello all:
>
> finally, I found my friend, came to my studio to give me something, I
> asked him to llok to screen, he found a screen, asking us to select
> network, of cores the voice over was not speaking in this screen at
> all.
> I select the network with Keyboard, I inter my network key, and the
> recovery starts.
> it will install the Ox Mountain lion.  I ht agree, then I have only
> untitled volume. just untitled, there is no way to choose it, no way
> to press VO+space or something. so, what shall I do to continue?
>
>
> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> A Question comes to my mind:
>>
>> did I erased a wrong hd? I mean, will the disk utility allow me to
>> erase the recovery small partition? I have only 1 TB hd inside my mac
>> mini.
>> I'm just thinking outloud. and hope I can know the answer
>>
>>
>> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>> Hello Simon:
>>> Yes, I erezed  my mac hd, but when I was reinstalling the os, I signed
>>> in, ut nothing changed for  a very long time, so I have to force shut
>>> down my mac mini.
>>> and I followed Tim's suggestion to start internet recovery,and the same
>>> issue.
>>> so, what might be happened?
>>>  what can I do now?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/20/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>>> HI Ramy,
>>>>
>>>>  Just reading more of this email and I see you say the el capitan
>>>> installer
>>>> had downloaded.
>>>>
>>>> I'm just wondering if you are able to start the machine up in to a
>>>> running
>>>> state at all?
>>>>
>>>>  If so then the el capitan installer files are under your applications
>>>> folder
>>>> Command shift A to get in there.
>>>>
>>>> Running that or the APP file in side the dmg will start the process.
>>>>
>>>> If as Tim commented things might be correupted
>>>> Then my question is do you have any content on the machine that you
>>>> don't
>>>> wish to lose?
>>>>
>>>> I prefer in these situations to wipe my HD and have the install run
>>>> from
>>>> scratch rather than an update of the OS over a possibly corrupted
>>>> existing
>>>> install.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this makes sense.
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2016 8:29 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini
>>>>
>>>> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>>>> HThanks so much for your advice, til now nothing. I force shut down,
>>>>> by long press on the power, and starting again. with Command option r.
>>>>> hope that I can get something in this time
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No problem.  I hope that you don't mind that I'm slow at responding
>>>>>> sometimes.  Too many things going on.  Anyway, whether it's the cmd-r
>>>>>> or the cmd-option-r, you only need to hold it down for about 3 or 4
>>>>>> seconds.  As soon as the Startup Chime sounds, press the key
>>>>>> combination.  Hold it down for the 3 to 4 seconds and release.  The
>>>>>> wait is after the release.  If the cmd-r works, it's likely ready in
>>>>>> about one minute if your Mini has an SSD and probably 2 to 3 minutes
>>>>>> if your Mini has a spinning HD.  If using the cmd-option-r, which
>>>>>> starts up from Apple's servers off in Internet-land, then the wait is
>>>>>> usually much longer before VO is ready to talk.  Again, no need to
>>>>>> hold down the key combination for more than the 3 to 4 seconds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Later...
>>>>

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all:

finally, I found my friend, came to my studio to give me something, I
asked him to llok to screen, he found a screen, asking us to select
network, of cores the voice over was not speaking in this screen at
all.
I select the network with Keyboard, I inter my network key, and the
recovery starts.
it will install the Ox Mountain lion.  I ht agree, then I have only
untitled volume. just untitled, there is no way to choose it, no way
to press VO+space or something. so, what shall I do to continue?


On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> A Question comes to my mind:
>
> did I erased a wrong hd? I mean, will the disk utility allow me to
> erase the recovery small partition? I have only 1 TB hd inside my mac
> mini.
> I'm just thinking outloud. and hope I can know the answer
>
>
> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> Hello Simon:
>> Yes, I erezed  my mac hd, but when I was reinstalling the os, I signed
>> in, ut nothing changed for  a very long time, so I have to force shut
>> down my mac mini.
>> and I followed Tim's suggestion to start internet recovery,and the same
>> issue.
>> so, what might be happened?
>>  what can I do now?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/20/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> HI Ramy,
>>>
>>>  Just reading more of this email and I see you say the el capitan
>>> installer
>>> had downloaded.
>>>
>>> I'm just wondering if you are able to start the machine up in to a
>>> running
>>> state at all?
>>>
>>>  If so then the el capitan installer files are under your applications
>>> folder
>>> Command shift A to get in there.
>>>
>>> Running that or the APP file in side the dmg will start the process.
>>>
>>> If as Tim commented things might be correupted
>>> Then my question is do you have any content on the machine that you
>>> don't
>>> wish to lose?
>>>
>>> I prefer in these situations to wipe my HD and have the install run from
>>> scratch rather than an update of the OS over a possibly corrupted
>>> existing
>>> install.
>>>
>>> Hope this makes sense.
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2016 8:29 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini
>>>
>>> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>>> HThanks so much for your advice, til now nothing. I force shut down,
>>>> by long press on the power, and starting again. with Command option r.
>>>> hope that I can get something in this time
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> No problem.  I hope that you don't mind that I'm slow at responding
>>>>> sometimes.  Too many things going on.  Anyway, whether it's the cmd-r
>>>>> or the cmd-option-r, you only need to hold it down for about 3 or 4
>>>>> seconds.  As soon as the Startup Chime sounds, press the key
>>>>> combination.  Hold it down for the 3 to 4 seconds and release.  The
>>>>> wait is after the release.  If the cmd-r works, it's likely ready in
>>>>> about one minute if your Mini has an SSD and probably 2 to 3 minutes
>>>>> if your Mini has a spinning HD.  If using the cmd-option-r, which
>>>>> starts up from Apple's servers off in Internet-land, then the wait is
>>>>> usually much longer before VO is ready to talk.  Again, no need to
>>>>> hold down the key combination for more than the 3 to 4 seconds.
>>>>>
>>>>> Later...
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:41, Ramy Moustafa 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> great, but must I  press command option r for how many minutes?
>>>>> sorry for all my messages, but really you are my only source
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The cmd-r needs to be down as the Startup Chime is sounding.  It
>>>>>> will usually take a minute or two before VO is available.  It's
>>>>>> possible though that your system got corrupt in the last attempt.
>>>>&

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

A Question comes to my mind:

did I erased a wrong hd? I mean, will the disk utility allow me to
erase the recovery small partition? I have only 1 TB hd inside my mac
mini.
I'm just thinking outloud. and hope I can know the answer


On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> Hello Simon:
> Yes, I erezed  my mac hd, but when I was reinstalling the os, I signed
> in, ut nothing changed for  a very long time, so I have to force shut
> down my mac mini.
> and I followed Tim's suggestion to start internet recovery,and the same
> issue.
> so, what might be happened?
>  what can I do now?
>
>
>
> On 9/20/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> HI Ramy,
>>
>>  Just reading more of this email and I see you say the el capitan
>> installer
>> had downloaded.
>>
>> I'm just wondering if you are able to start the machine up in to a
>> running
>> state at all?
>>
>>  If so then the el capitan installer files are under your applications
>> folder
>> Command shift A to get in there.
>>
>> Running that or the APP file in side the dmg will start the process.
>>
>> If as Tim commented things might be correupted
>> Then my question is do you have any content on the machine that you don't
>> wish to lose?
>>
>> I prefer in these situations to wipe my HD and have the install run from
>> scratch rather than an update of the OS over a possibly corrupted
>> existing
>> install.
>>
>> Hope this makes sense.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
>> Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2016 8:29 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini
>>
>> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>> HThanks so much for your advice, til now nothing. I force shut down,
>>> by long press on the power, and starting again. with Command option r.
>>> hope that I can get something in this time
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> No problem.  I hope that you don't mind that I'm slow at responding
>>>> sometimes.  Too many things going on.  Anyway, whether it's the cmd-r
>>>> or the cmd-option-r, you only need to hold it down for about 3 or 4
>>>> seconds.  As soon as the Startup Chime sounds, press the key
>>>> combination.  Hold it down for the 3 to 4 seconds and release.  The
>>>> wait is after the release.  If the cmd-r works, it's likely ready in
>>>> about one minute if your Mini has an SSD and probably 2 to 3 minutes
>>>> if your Mini has a spinning HD.  If using the cmd-option-r, which
>>>> starts up from Apple's servers off in Internet-land, then the wait is
>>>> usually much longer before VO is ready to talk.  Again, no need to
>>>> hold down the key combination for more than the 3 to 4 seconds.
>>>>
>>>> Later...
>>>>
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:41, Ramy Moustafa 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> great, but must I  press command option r for how many minutes?
>>>> sorry for all my messages, but really you are my only source
>>>>
>>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> The cmd-r needs to be down as the Startup Chime is sounding.  It
>>>>> will usually take a minute or two before VO is available.  It's
>>>>> possible though that your system got corrupt in the last attempt.
>>>>> In that case, use cmd-option-r instead.  This will start your Mac up
>>>>> from the Internet.
>>>>> It
>>>>> may take longer for VO to come up in this situation.  So, give it
>>>>> some extra time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Later...
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:03, Ramy Moustafa 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I made a restart, with command+r, nothing at all, I'm trying to
>>>>> press, command r, while opening, but nothing happened, no voice over
>>>>> at all.
>>>>> after the mac chimes, I press command r, then I release them.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>>>

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello Simon:
Yes, I erezed  my mac hd, but when I was reinstalling the os, I signed
in, ut nothing changed for  a very long time, so I have to force shut
down my mac mini.
and I followed Tim's suggestion to start internet recovery,and the same issue.
so, what might be happened?
 what can I do now?



On 9/20/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> HI Ramy,
>
>  Just reading more of this email and I see you say the el capitan installer
> had downloaded.
>
> I'm just wondering if you are able to start the machine up in to a running
> state at all?
>
>  If so then the el capitan installer files are under your applications
> folder
> Command shift A to get in there.
>
> Running that or the APP file in side the dmg will start the process.
>
> If as Tim commented things might be correupted
> Then my question is do you have any content on the machine that you don't
> wish to lose?
>
> I prefer in these situations to wipe my HD and have the install run from
> scratch rather than an update of the OS over a possibly corrupted existing
> install.
>
> Hope this makes sense.
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
> Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2016 8:29 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini
>
> On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> HThanks so much for your advice, til now nothing. I force shut down,
>> by long press on the power, and starting again. with Command option r.
>> hope that I can get something in this time
>>
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> No problem.  I hope that you don't mind that I'm slow at responding
>>> sometimes.  Too many things going on.  Anyway, whether it's the cmd-r
>>> or the cmd-option-r, you only need to hold it down for about 3 or 4
>>> seconds.  As soon as the Startup Chime sounds, press the key
>>> combination.  Hold it down for the 3 to 4 seconds and release.  The
>>> wait is after the release.  If the cmd-r works, it's likely ready in
>>> about one minute if your Mini has an SSD and probably 2 to 3 minutes
>>> if your Mini has a spinning HD.  If using the cmd-option-r, which
>>> starts up from Apple's servers off in Internet-land, then the wait is
>>> usually much longer before VO is ready to talk.  Again, no need to
>>> hold down the key combination for more than the 3 to 4 seconds.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:41, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> great, but must I  press command option r for how many minutes?
>>> sorry for all my messages, but really you are my only source
>>>
>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> The cmd-r needs to be down as the Startup Chime is sounding.  It
>>>> will usually take a minute or two before VO is available.  It's
>>>> possible though that your system got corrupt in the last attempt.
>>>> In that case, use cmd-option-r instead.  This will start your Mac up
>>>> from the Internet.
>>>> It
>>>> may take longer for VO to come up in this situation.  So, give it
>>>> some extra time.
>>>>
>>>> Later...
>>>>
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:03, Ramy Moustafa 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I made a restart, with command+r, nothing at all, I'm trying to
>>>> press, command r, while opening, but nothing happened, no voice over
>>>> at all.
>>>> after the mac chimes, I press command r, then I release them.
>>>>
>>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>>> Yes, restart it please.
>>>>>
>>>>> Later...
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 14:12, Ramy Moustafa
>>>>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> it says that , no window, hitting command q, command W, doesn't
>>>>> change the matter, should I make a restart, and repeat what was
>>>>> happened?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's not n

RE: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Simon Fogarty]

HI Ramy,

 Just reading more of this email and I see you say the el capitan installer had 
downloaded.

I'm just wondering if you are able to start the machine up in to a running 
state at all?

 If so then the el capitan installer files are under your applications folder
Command shift A to get in there.

Running that or the APP file in side the dmg will start the process.

If as Tim commented things might be correupted 
Then my question is do you have any content on the machine that you don't wish 
to lose?

I prefer in these situations to wipe my HD and have the install run from 
scratch rather than an update of the OS over a possibly corrupted existing 
install.

Hope this makes sense.
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2016 8:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> HThanks so much for your advice, til now nothing. I force shut down, 
> by long press on the power, and starting again. with Command option r.
> hope that I can get something in this time
>
>
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> No problem.  I hope that you don't mind that I'm slow at responding 
>> sometimes.  Too many things going on.  Anyway, whether it's the cmd-r 
>> or the cmd-option-r, you only need to hold it down for about 3 or 4 
>> seconds.  As soon as the Startup Chime sounds, press the key 
>> combination.  Hold it down for the 3 to 4 seconds and release.  The 
>> wait is after the release.  If the cmd-r works, it's likely ready in 
>> about one minute if your Mini has an SSD and probably 2 to 3 minutes 
>> if your Mini has a spinning HD.  If using the cmd-option-r, which 
>> starts up from Apple's servers off in Internet-land, then the wait is 
>> usually much longer before VO is ready to talk.  Again, no need to 
>> hold down the key combination for more than the 3 to 4 seconds.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:41, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> great, but must I  press command option r for how many minutes?
>> sorry for all my messages, but really you are my only source
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The cmd-r needs to be down as the Startup Chime is sounding.  It 
>>> will usually take a minute or two before VO is available.  It's 
>>> possible though that your system got corrupt in the last attempt.  
>>> In that case, use cmd-option-r instead.  This will start your Mac up 
>>> from the Internet.
>>> It
>>> may take longer for VO to come up in this situation.  So, give it 
>>> some extra time.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:03, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I made a restart, with command+r, nothing at all, I'm trying to 
>>> press, command r, while opening, but nothing happened, no voice over 
>>> at all.
>>> after the mac chimes, I press command r, then I release them.
>>>
>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>> Yes, restart it please.
>>>>
>>>> Later...
>>>>
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 14:12, Ramy Moustafa 
>>>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> it says that , no window, hitting command q, command W, doesn't 
>>>> change the matter, should I make a restart, and repeat what was happened?
>>>>
>>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not normal behaviour.  Try pressing cmd-q to Quit the 
>>>>> installer.
>>>>> See
>>>>> what it says.  You may need to start over since there was such a 
>>>>> long time between the initial installation startup process and the 
>>>>> Apple ID entry.
>>>>> Usually shouldn't matter, but you should also be seeing a progress 
>>>>> thing by now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Later...
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 13:53, Ramy Moustafa 
>>>>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>

RE: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Ramy,

 Just a quick catch up here,

 If you have El Capitan on your mac mini and you use Command + R for the 
recovery console then you will get el capitan installing to your machine as it 
is a recovery.

If however you have an earlier OS such as Mavericks or Yosemite 

Then that is what your machine will install using the recovery console.

It will only recover what you have on there and wont give you an updated OS 
using the recovery.

If you can download the el capitan installation media from the app store then 
it will start the auto installation / update once that file has downloaded  and 
then you just follow the prompts through the installation process.

If as another option you have a USB installer media device then you can do the 
following.

Shut the machine completely down.

 Hold down the option key and while holding this turn thepower on,

 Keep holding option I personally hold it for approx. 30 seconds just to be 
sure.

 Then your machine will start up with any bootable drives showing  
The problem here though is this is not accessible with voiceover,
 But if you can get someone to select the correct installer then it will start 
the installation process for you.

Hope this helps.

Simon F


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
Sent: Tuesday, 20 September 2016 8:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> HThanks so much for your advice, til now nothing. I force shut down, 
> by long press on the power, and starting again. with Command option r.
> hope that I can get something in this time
>
>
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> No problem.  I hope that you don't mind that I'm slow at responding 
>> sometimes.  Too many things going on.  Anyway, whether it's the cmd-r 
>> or the cmd-option-r, you only need to hold it down for about 3 or 4 
>> seconds.  As soon as the Startup Chime sounds, press the key 
>> combination.  Hold it down for the 3 to 4 seconds and release.  The 
>> wait is after the release.  If the cmd-r works, it's likely ready in 
>> about one minute if your Mini has an SSD and probably 2 to 3 minutes 
>> if your Mini has a spinning HD.  If using the cmd-option-r, which 
>> starts up from Apple's servers off in Internet-land, then the wait is 
>> usually much longer before VO is ready to talk.  Again, no need to 
>> hold down the key combination for more than the 3 to 4 seconds.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:41, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> great, but must I  press command option r for how many minutes?
>> sorry for all my messages, but really you are my only source
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The cmd-r needs to be down as the Startup Chime is sounding.  It 
>>> will usually take a minute or two before VO is available.  It's 
>>> possible though that your system got corrupt in the last attempt.  
>>> In that case, use cmd-option-r instead.  This will start your Mac up 
>>> from the Internet.
>>> It
>>> may take longer for VO to come up in this situation.  So, give it 
>>> some extra time.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:03, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I made a restart, with command+r, nothing at all, I'm trying to 
>>> press, command r, while opening, but nothing happened, no voice over 
>>> at all.
>>> after the mac chimes, I press command r, then I release them.
>>>
>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>> Yes, restart it please.
>>>>
>>>> Later...
>>>>
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 14:12, Ramy Moustafa 
>>>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> it says that , no window, hitting command q, command W, doesn't 
>>>> change the matter, should I make a restart, and repeat what was happened?
>>>>
>>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not normal behaviour.  Try pressing cmd-q to Quit the 
>>>>> installer.
>>>>> See
>>>>> what it says.  You may need to start over since there was such a 
>>>>> long time between the initial installation sta

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

On 9/20/16, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> HThanks so much for your advice, til now nothing. I force shut down,
> by long press on the power, and starting again. with Command option r.
> hope that I can get something in this time
>
>
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> No problem.  I hope that you don't mind that I'm slow at responding
>> sometimes.  Too many things going on.  Anyway, whether it's the cmd-r or
>> the
>> cmd-option-r, you only need to hold it down for about 3 or 4 seconds.  As
>> soon as the Startup Chime sounds, press the key combination.  Hold it
>> down
>> for the 3 to 4 seconds and release.  The wait is after the release.  If
>> the
>> cmd-r works, it's likely ready in about one minute if your Mini has an
>> SSD
>> and probably 2 to 3 minutes if your Mini has a spinning HD.  If using the
>> cmd-option-r, which starts up from Apple's servers off in Internet-land,
>> then the wait is usually much longer before VO is ready to talk.  Again,
>> no
>> need to hold down the key combination for more than the 3 to 4 seconds.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:41, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> great, but must I  press command option r for how many minutes?
>> sorry for all my messages, but really you are my only source
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The cmd-r needs to be down as the Startup Chime is sounding.  It will
>>> usually take a minute or two before VO is available.  It's possible
>>> though
>>> that your system got corrupt in the last attempt.  In that case, use
>>> cmd-option-r instead.  This will start your Mac up from the Internet.
>>> It
>>> may take longer for VO to come up in this situation.  So, give it some
>>> extra
>>> time.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:03, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I made a restart, with command+r, nothing at all,
>>> I'm trying to press, command r, while opening, but nothing happened,
>>> no voice over at all.
>>> after the mac chimes, I press command r, then I release them.
>>>
>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 Yes, restart it please.

 Later...

 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On Sep 19, 2016, at 14:12, Ramy Moustafa 
 wrote:

 it says that , no window, hitting command q, command W, doesn't change
 the matter, should I make a restart, and repeat what was happened?

 On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> That's not normal behaviour.  Try pressing cmd-q to Quit the
> installer.
> See
> what it says.  You may need to start over since there was such a long
> time
> between the initial installation startup process and the Apple ID
> entry.
> Usually shouldn't matter, but you should also be seeing a progress
> thing
> by
> now.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 13:53, Ramy Moustafa 
> wrote:
>
> Ok, will tell you what's going on, but til now, nothing changed. no
> windows.
>
>
> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> I think it’s starting to install, wait a few minute and let us know
>> if
>> that
>> changes.
>>
>> And we’re glad to help, this list might get chatty and rough here and
>> there
>> but we’re all glad to help out, happy you’re making progress.
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello:
>>>
>>> ok, finally, I did it, with your help,and I signed in with my apple
>>> id.
>>> Thanks allo for helping.
>>> now, I  have  voice over saying that osx has no windows, and even
>>> the
>>> vo+f2f2 says that no windows in the widnow chooser menu.
>>> This happened after I signed in.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/19/16, E.T.  wrote:
 The Apple wired keyboard has an FN key, lower left.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com

 On 9/19/2016 12:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
> I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't
> have
> the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
> so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?
>
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.
>> Sometimes,
>> if
>> your
>> keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a
>> specific
>> manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got on

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

HThanks so much for your advice, til now nothing. I force shut down,
by long press on the power, and starting again. with Command option r.
hope that I can get something in this time


On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> No problem.  I hope that you don't mind that I'm slow at responding
> sometimes.  Too many things going on.  Anyway, whether it's the cmd-r or the
> cmd-option-r, you only need to hold it down for about 3 or 4 seconds.  As
> soon as the Startup Chime sounds, press the key combination.  Hold it down
> for the 3 to 4 seconds and release.  The wait is after the release.  If the
> cmd-r works, it's likely ready in about one minute if your Mini has an SSD
> and probably 2 to 3 minutes if your Mini has a spinning HD.  If using the
> cmd-option-r, which starts up from Apple's servers off in Internet-land,
> then the wait is usually much longer before VO is ready to talk.  Again, no
> need to hold down the key combination for more than the 3 to 4 seconds.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:41, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>
> great, but must I  press command option r for how many minutes?
> sorry for all my messages, but really you are my only source
>
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> The cmd-r needs to be down as the Startup Chime is sounding.  It will
>> usually take a minute or two before VO is available.  It's possible
>> though
>> that your system got corrupt in the last attempt.  In that case, use
>> cmd-option-r instead.  This will start your Mac up from the Internet.  It
>> may take longer for VO to come up in this situation.  So, give it some
>> extra
>> time.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:03, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I made a restart, with command+r, nothing at all,
>> I'm trying to press, command r, while opening, but nothing happened,
>> no voice over at all.
>> after the mac chimes, I press command r, then I release them.
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Yes, restart it please.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 14:12, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> it says that , no window, hitting command q, command W, doesn't change
>>> the matter, should I make a restart, and repeat what was happened?
>>>
>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 Hi,

 That's not normal behaviour.  Try pressing cmd-q to Quit the installer.
 See
 what it says.  You may need to start over since there was such a long
 time
 between the initial installation startup process and the Apple ID
 entry.
 Usually shouldn't matter, but you should also be seeing a progress
 thing
 by
 now.

 Later...

 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On Sep 19, 2016, at 13:53, Ramy Moustafa 
 wrote:

 Ok, will tell you what's going on, but til now, nothing changed. no
 windows.


 On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> I think it’s starting to install, wait a few minute and let us know if
> that
> changes.
>
> And we’re glad to help, this list might get chatty and rough here and
> there
> but we’re all glad to help out, happy you’re making progress.
>
>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello:
>>
>> ok, finally, I did it, with your help,and I signed in with my apple
>> id.
>> Thanks allo for helping.
>> now, I  have  voice over saying that osx has no windows, and even the
>> vo+f2f2 says that no windows in the widnow chooser menu.
>> This happened after I signed in.
>>
>>
>> On 9/19/16, E.T.  wrote:
>>> The Apple wired keyboard has an FN key, lower left.
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 9/19/2016 12:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
 I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
 the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
 so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?

 On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes,
> if
> your
> keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a
> specific
> manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa
> 
> wrote:
>
> Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system,
> I
> didn't get any response.
> so, what is the issue?
>
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter som

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

No problem.  I hope that you don't mind that I'm slow at responding sometimes.  
Too many things going on.  Anyway, whether it's the cmd-r or the cmd-option-r, 
you only need to hold it down for about 3 or 4 seconds.  As soon as the Startup 
Chime sounds, press the key combination.  Hold it down for the 3 to 4 seconds 
and release.  The wait is after the release.  If the cmd-r works, it's likely 
ready in about one minute if your Mini has an SSD and probably 2 to 3 minutes 
if your Mini has a spinning HD.  If using the cmd-option-r, which starts up 
from Apple's servers off in Internet-land, then the wait is usually much longer 
before VO is ready to talk.  Again, no need to hold down the key combination 
for more than the 3 to 4 seconds.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:41, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

great, but must I  press command option r for how many minutes?
sorry for all my messages, but really you are my only source

On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The cmd-r needs to be down as the Startup Chime is sounding.  It will
> usually take a minute or two before VO is available.  It's possible though
> that your system got corrupt in the last attempt.  In that case, use
> cmd-option-r instead.  This will start your Mac up from the Internet.  It
> may take longer for VO to come up in this situation.  So, give it some extra
> time.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:03, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> I made a restart, with command+r, nothing at all,
> I'm trying to press, command r, while opening, but nothing happened,
> no voice over at all.
> after the mac chimes, I press command r, then I release them.
> 
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Yes, restart it please.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 14:12, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> it says that , no window, hitting command q, command W, doesn't change
>> the matter, should I make a restart, and repeat what was happened?
>> 
>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> That's not normal behaviour.  Try pressing cmd-q to Quit the installer.
>>> See
>>> what it says.  You may need to start over since there was such a long
>>> time
>>> between the initial installation startup process and the Apple ID entry.
>>> Usually shouldn't matter, but you should also be seeing a progress thing
>>> by
>>> now.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 13:53, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok, will tell you what's going on, but til now, nothing changed. no
>>> windows.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
 I think it’s starting to install, wait a few minute and let us know if
 that
 changes.
 
 And we’re glad to help, this list might get chatty and rough here and
 there
 but we’re all glad to help out, happy you’re making progress.
 
 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
> wrote:
> 
> Hello:
> 
> ok, finally, I did it, with your help,and I signed in with my apple
> id.
> Thanks allo for helping.
> now, I  have  voice over saying that osx has no windows, and even the
> vo+f2f2 says that no windows in the widnow chooser menu.
> This happened after I signed in.
> 
> 
> On 9/19/16, E.T.  wrote:
>> The Apple wired keyboard has an FN key, lower left.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 9/19/2016 12:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>>> I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
>>> the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
>>> so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?
>>> 
>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes,
 if
 your
 keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a
 specific
 manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa
 
 wrote:
 
 Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system,
 I
 didn't get any response.
 so, what is the issue?
 
 On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press
> VO-f2-f2
> to
> bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting
> for
> your
> password.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa
> 
> wrote:
>>>

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

great, but must I  press command option r for how many minutes?
sorry for all my messages, but really you are my only source

On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The cmd-r needs to be down as the Startup Chime is sounding.  It will
> usually take a minute or two before VO is available.  It's possible though
> that your system got corrupt in the last attempt.  In that case, use
> cmd-option-r instead.  This will start your Mac up from the Internet.  It
> may take longer for VO to come up in this situation.  So, give it some extra
> time.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:03, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>
> I made a restart, with command+r, nothing at all,
> I'm trying to press, command r, while opening, but nothing happened,
> no voice over at all.
> after the mac chimes, I press command r, then I release them.
>
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Yes, restart it please.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 14:12, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> it says that , no window, hitting command q, command W, doesn't change
>> the matter, should I make a restart, and repeat what was happened?
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> That's not normal behaviour.  Try pressing cmd-q to Quit the installer.
>>> See
>>> what it says.  You may need to start over since there was such a long
>>> time
>>> between the initial installation startup process and the Apple ID entry.
>>> Usually shouldn't matter, but you should also be seeing a progress thing
>>> by
>>> now.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 13:53, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok, will tell you what's going on, but til now, nothing changed. no
>>> windows.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
 I think it’s starting to install, wait a few minute and let us know if
 that
 changes.

 And we’re glad to help, this list might get chatty and rough here and
 there
 but we’re all glad to help out, happy you’re making progress.


> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
> wrote:
>
> Hello:
>
> ok, finally, I did it, with your help,and I signed in with my apple
> id.
> Thanks allo for helping.
> now, I  have  voice over saying that osx has no windows, and even the
> vo+f2f2 says that no windows in the widnow chooser menu.
> This happened after I signed in.
>
>
> On 9/19/16, E.T.  wrote:
>> The Apple wired keyboard has an FN key, lower left.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 9/19/2016 12:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>>> I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
>>> the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
>>> so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?
>>>
>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 Hi,

 Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes,
 if
 your
 keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a
 specific
 manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.

 Later...

 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa
 
 wrote:

 Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system,
 I
 didn't get any response.
 so, what is the issue?

 On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press
> VO-f2-f2
> to
> bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting
> for
> your
> password.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa
> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi sir Scotte:
> 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore,
> progress
> bar
> busy.
> I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and
> this
> is the message that I got for 3 hours.
> so what shall I do?
>
> I'm connected to the internet.
> Thanks
>
>
> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you
>> named
>> your
>> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>>
>> Should be good to go.
>>
>> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one
>> if
>> the
>> disk
>> isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the
>> abo

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

The cmd-r needs to be down as the Startup Chime is sounding.  It will usually 
take a minute or two before VO is available.  It's possible though that your 
system got corrupt in the last attempt.  In that case, use cmd-option-r 
instead.  This will start your Mac up from the Internet.  It may take longer 
for VO to come up in this situation.  So, give it some extra time.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 15:03, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

I made a restart, with command+r, nothing at all,
I'm trying to press, command r, while opening, but nothing happened,
no voice over at all.
after the mac chimes, I press command r, then I release them.

On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Yes, restart it please.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 14:12, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> it says that , no window, hitting command q, command W, doesn't change
> the matter, should I make a restart, and repeat what was happened?
> 
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> That's not normal behaviour.  Try pressing cmd-q to Quit the installer.
>> See
>> what it says.  You may need to start over since there was such a long
>> time
>> between the initial installation startup process and the Apple ID entry.
>> Usually shouldn't matter, but you should also be seeing a progress thing
>> by
>> now.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 13:53, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ok, will tell you what's going on, but til now, nothing changed. no
>> windows.
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> I think it’s starting to install, wait a few minute and let us know if
>>> that
>>> changes.
>>> 
>>> And we’re glad to help, this list might get chatty and rough here and
>>> there
>>> but we’re all glad to help out, happy you’re making progress.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
 wrote:
 
 Hello:
 
 ok, finally, I did it, with your help,and I signed in with my apple id.
 Thanks allo for helping.
 now, I  have  voice over saying that osx has no windows, and even the
 vo+f2f2 says that no windows in the widnow chooser menu.
 This happened after I signed in.
 
 
 On 9/19/16, E.T.  wrote:
> The Apple wired keyboard has an FN key, lower left.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 9/19/2016 12:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
>> the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
>> so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?
>> 
>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes,
>>> if
>>> your
>>> keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a
>>> specific
>>> manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
>>> didn't get any response.
>>> so, what is the issue?
>>> 
>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 Hi,
 
 It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press
 VO-f2-f2
 to
 bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting
 for
 your
 password.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa
 
 wrote:
 
 Hi sir Scotte:
 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore,
 progress
 bar
 busy.
 I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and
 this
 is the message that I got for 3 hours.
 so what shall I do?
 
 I'm connected to the internet.
 Thanks
 
 
 On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you
> named
> your
> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
> 
> Should be good to go.
> 
> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if
> the
> disk
> isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the
> above
> is
> the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you Scott.
>> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose
>> reinstalling
>> OS

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

I made a restart, with command+r, nothing at all,
I'm trying to press, command r, while opening, but nothing happened,
no voice over at all.
after the mac chimes, I press command r, then I release them.

On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Yes, restart it please.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 14:12, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>
> it says that , no window, hitting command q, command W, doesn't change
> the matter, should I make a restart, and repeat what was happened?
>
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> That's not normal behaviour.  Try pressing cmd-q to Quit the installer.
>> See
>> what it says.  You may need to start over since there was such a long
>> time
>> between the initial installation startup process and the Apple ID entry.
>> Usually shouldn't matter, but you should also be seeing a progress thing
>> by
>> now.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 13:53, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Ok, will tell you what's going on, but til now, nothing changed. no
>> windows.
>>
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> I think it’s starting to install, wait a few minute and let us know if
>>> that
>>> changes.
>>>
>>> And we’re glad to help, this list might get chatty and rough here and
>>> there
>>> but we’re all glad to help out, happy you’re making progress.
>>>
>>>
 On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
 wrote:

 Hello:

 ok, finally, I did it, with your help,and I signed in with my apple id.
 Thanks allo for helping.
 now, I  have  voice over saying that osx has no windows, and even the
 vo+f2f2 says that no windows in the widnow chooser menu.
 This happened after I signed in.


 On 9/19/16, E.T.  wrote:
>  The Apple wired keyboard has an FN key, lower left.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 9/19/2016 12:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
>> the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
>> so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes,
>>> if
>>> your
>>> keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a
>>> specific
>>> manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
>>> didn't get any response.
>>> so, what is the issue?
>>>
>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 Hi,

 It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press
 VO-f2-f2
 to
 bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting
 for
 your
 password.

 Later...

 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa
 
 wrote:

 Hi sir Scotte:
 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore,
 progress
 bar
 busy.
 I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and
 this
 is the message that I got for 3 hours.
 so what shall I do?

 I'm connected to the internet.
 Thanks


 On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you
> named
> your
> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>
> Should be good to go.
>
> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if
> the
> disk
> isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the
> above
> is
> the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>
>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Scott.
>> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose
>> reinstalling
>> OS
>> or
>> the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's
>> D
>> if
>> I
>> choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean
>> in
>> the
>> store.thank you
>>
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados > 

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Tim Kilburn]

Yes, restart it please.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 14:12, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

it says that , no window, hitting command q, command W, doesn't change
the matter, should I make a restart, and repeat what was happened?

On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> That's not normal behaviour.  Try pressing cmd-q to Quit the installer.  See
> what it says.  You may need to start over since there was such a long time
> between the initial installation startup process and the Apple ID entry.
> Usually shouldn't matter, but you should also be seeing a progress thing by
> now.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 13:53, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Ok, will tell you what's going on, but til now, nothing changed. no
> windows.
> 
> 
> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> I think it’s starting to install, wait a few minute and let us know if
>> that
>> changes.
>> 
>> And we’re glad to help, this list might get chatty and rough here and
>> there
>> but we’re all glad to help out, happy you’re making progress.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello:
>>> 
>>> ok, finally, I did it, with your help,and I signed in with my apple id.
>>> Thanks allo for helping.
>>> now, I  have  voice over saying that osx has no windows, and even the
>>> vo+f2f2 says that no windows in the widnow chooser menu.
>>> This happened after I signed in.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/19/16, E.T.  wrote:
  The Apple wired keyboard has an FN key, lower left.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 9/19/2016 12:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
> I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
> the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
> so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?
> 
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes, if
>> your
>> keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a
>> specific
>> manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
>> didn't get any response.
>> so, what is the issue?
>> 
>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press
>>> VO-f2-f2
>>> to
>>> bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting
>>> for
>>> your
>>> password.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi sir Scotte:
>>> 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore,
>>> progress
>>> bar
>>> busy.
>>> I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and
>>> this
>>> is the message that I got for 3 hours.
>>> so what shall I do?
>>> 
>>> I'm connected to the internet.
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
 Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named
 your
 volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
 
 Should be good to go.
 
 Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if
 the
 disk
 isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the
 above
 is
 the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
 
 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa
> 
> wrote:
> 
> Thank you Scott.
> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose
> reinstalling
> OS
> or
> the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's
> D
> if
> I
> choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in
> the
> store.thank you
> 
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs
>> or
>> install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
>> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
>> 
>> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll
>> use
>> your Apple ID, log

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

it says that , no window, hitting command q, command W, doesn't change
the matter, should I make a restart, and repeat what was happened?

On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> That's not normal behaviour.  Try pressing cmd-q to Quit the installer.  See
> what it says.  You may need to start over since there was such a long time
> between the initial installation startup process and the Apple ID entry.
> Usually shouldn't matter, but you should also be seeing a progress thing by
> now.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 13:53, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>
> Ok, will tell you what's going on, but til now, nothing changed. no
> windows.
>
>
> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> I think it’s starting to install, wait a few minute and let us know if
>> that
>> changes.
>>
>> And we’re glad to help, this list might get chatty and rough here and
>> there
>> but we’re all glad to help out, happy you’re making progress.
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello:
>>>
>>> ok, finally, I did it, with your help,and I signed in with my apple id.
>>> Thanks allo for helping.
>>> now, I  have  voice over saying that osx has no windows, and even the
>>> vo+f2f2 says that no windows in the widnow chooser menu.
>>> This happened after I signed in.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/19/16, E.T.  wrote:
   The Apple wired keyboard has an FN key, lower left.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com

 On 9/19/2016 12:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
> I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
> the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
> so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?
>
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes, if
>> your
>> keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a
>> specific
>> manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
>> didn't get any response.
>> so, what is the issue?
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press
>>> VO-f2-f2
>>> to
>>> bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting
>>> for
>>> your
>>> password.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi sir Scotte:
>>> 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore,
>>> progress
>>> bar
>>> busy.
>>> I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and
>>> this
>>> is the message that I got for 3 hours.
>>> so what shall I do?
>>>
>>> I'm connected to the internet.
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
 Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named
 your
 volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.

 Should be good to go.

 Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if
 the
 disk
 isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the
 above
 is
 the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.


> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa
> 
> wrote:
>
> Thank you Scott.
> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose
> reinstalling
> OS
> or
> the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's
> D
> if
> I
> choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in
> the
> store.thank you
>
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
>
>> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs
>> or
>> install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
>> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
>>
>> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll
>> use
>> your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight
>> forward.
>>
>>
>> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

That's not normal behaviour.  Try pressing cmd-q to Quit the installer.  See 
what it says.  You may need to start over since there was such a long time 
between the initial installation startup process and the Apple ID entry.  
Usually shouldn't matter, but you should also be seeing a progress thing by now.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 13:53, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Ok, will tell you what's going on, but til now, nothing changed. no windows.


On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> I think it’s starting to install, wait a few minute and let us know if that
> changes.
> 
> And we’re glad to help, this list might get chatty and rough here and there
> but we’re all glad to help out, happy you’re making progress.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello:
>> 
>> ok, finally, I did it, with your help,and I signed in with my apple id.
>> Thanks allo for helping.
>> now, I  have  voice over saying that osx has no windows, and even the
>> vo+f2f2 says that no windows in the widnow chooser menu.
>> This happened after I signed in.
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/19/16, E.T.  wrote:
>>>   The Apple wired keyboard has an FN key, lower left.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 9/19/2016 12:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
 I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
 the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
 so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?
 
 On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes, if
> your
> keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a
> specific
> manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa 
> wrote:
> 
> Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
> didn't get any response.
> so, what is the issue?
> 
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press
>> VO-f2-f2
>> to
>> bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting for
>> your
>> password.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi sir Scotte:
>> 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore, progress
>> bar
>> busy.
>> I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and
>> this
>> is the message that I got for 3 hours.
>> so what shall I do?
>> 
>> I'm connected to the internet.
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named
>>> your
>>> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>>> 
>>> Should be good to go.
>>> 
>>> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if
>>> the
>>> disk
>>> isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the
>>> above
>>> is
>>> the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa
 
 wrote:
 
 Thank you Scott.
 But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling
 OS
 or
 the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D
 if
 I
 choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in
 the
 store.thank you
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados >>> > wrote:
 
> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs
> or
> install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
> 
> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll
> use
> your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight
> forward.
> 
> 
> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Sir Scott
>> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I
>> download
>> his
>> assistant before installing or it will download it automat

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

Ok, will tell you what's going on, but til now, nothing changed. no windows.


On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> I think it’s starting to install, wait a few minute and let us know if that
> changes.
>
> And we’re glad to help, this list might get chatty and rough here and there
> but we’re all glad to help out, happy you’re making progress.
>
>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello:
>>
>> ok, finally, I did it, with your help,and I signed in with my apple id.
>> Thanks allo for helping.
>> now, I  have  voice over saying that osx has no windows, and even the
>> vo+f2f2 says that no windows in the widnow chooser menu.
>> This happened after I signed in.
>>
>>
>> On 9/19/16, E.T.  wrote:
>>>The Apple wired keyboard has an FN key, lower left.
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 9/19/2016 12:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
 I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
 the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
 so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?

 On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes, if
> your
> keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a
> specific
> manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa 
> wrote:
>
> Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
> didn't get any response.
> so, what is the issue?
>
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press
>> VO-f2-f2
>> to
>> bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting for
>> your
>> password.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi sir Scotte:
>> 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore, progress
>> bar
>> busy.
>> I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and
>> this
>> is the message that I got for 3 hours.
>> so what shall I do?
>>
>> I'm connected to the internet.
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named
>>> your
>>> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>>>
>>> Should be good to go.
>>>
>>> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if
>>> the
>>> disk
>>> isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the
>>> above
>>> is
>>> the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>>>
>>>
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa
 
 wrote:

 Thank you Scott.
 But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling
 OS
 or
 the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D
 if
 I
 choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in
 the
 store.thank you

 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados >>> > wrote:

> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs
> or
> install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
>
> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll
> use
> your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight
> forward.
>
>
> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> Hello Sir Scott
>> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I
>> download
>> his
>> assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
>> Thank
>> you so much.
>>
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over
>>> is
>>>

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Scott Granados]

I think it’s starting to install, wait a few minute and let us know if that 
changes.

And we’re glad to help, this list might get chatty and rough here and there but 
we’re all glad to help out, happy you’re making progress.


> On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello:
> 
> ok, finally, I did it, with your help,and I signed in with my apple id.
> Thanks allo for helping.
> now, I  have  voice over saying that osx has no windows, and even the
> vo+f2f2 says that no windows in the widnow chooser menu.
> This happened after I signed in.
> 
> 
> On 9/19/16, E.T.  wrote:
>>The Apple wired keyboard has an FN key, lower left.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 9/19/2016 12:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>>> I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
>>> the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
>>> so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?
>>> 
>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes, if
 your
 keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a specific
 manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa 
 wrote:
 
 Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
 didn't get any response.
 so, what is the issue?
 
 On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press VO-f2-f2
> to
> bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting for
> your
> password.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi sir Scotte:
> 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore, progress
> bar
> busy.
> I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and this
> is the message that I got for 3 hours.
> so what shall I do?
> 
> I'm connected to the internet.
> Thanks
> 
> 
> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named
>> your
>> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>> 
>> Should be good to go.
>> 
>> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the
>> disk
>> isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the above
>> is
>> the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you Scott.
>>> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling
>>> OS
>>> or
>>> the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D
>>> if
>>> I
>>> choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in
>>> the
>>> store.thank you
>>> 
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>> licturer at:
>>> faculty of musical education
>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
 install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
 partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
 
 Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll
 use
 your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight
 forward.
 
 
 Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hello Sir Scott
> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download
> his
> assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
> Thank
> you so much.
> 
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
>> available during the entire install process.  You can activate
>> voice
>> over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.
>> Remember
>> once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
>> command F5 again will reactivate 

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello:

ok, finally, I did it, with your help,and I signed in with my apple id.
Thanks allo for helping.
now, I  have  voice over saying that osx has no windows, and even the
vo+f2f2 says that no windows in the widnow chooser menu.
This happened after I signed in.


On 9/19/16, E.T.  wrote:
> The Apple wired keyboard has an FN key, lower left.
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 9/19/2016 12:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
>> the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
>> so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes, if
>>> your
>>> keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a specific
>>> manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
>>> didn't get any response.
>>> so, what is the issue?
>>>
>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 Hi,

 It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press VO-f2-f2
 to
 bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting for
 your
 password.

 Later...

 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa 
 wrote:

 Hi sir Scotte:
 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore, progress
 bar
 busy.
 I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and this
 is the message that I got for 3 hours.
 so what shall I do?

 I'm connected to the internet.
 Thanks


 On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named
> your
> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>
> Should be good to go.
>
> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the
> disk
> isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the above
> is
> the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>
>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Scott.
>> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling
>> OS
>> or
>> the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D
>> if
>> I
>> choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in
>> the
>> store.thank you
>>
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>>
>>> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
>>> install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
>>> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
>>>
>>> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll
>>> use
>>> your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight
>>> forward.
>>>
>>>
>>> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
>>>
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa
 >>> > wrote:

 Hello Sir Scott
 Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download
 his
 assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
 Thank
 you so much.

 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados >>> > wrote:

> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
> available during the entire install process.  You can activate
> voice
> over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.
> Remember
> once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
> command F5 again will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not
> always
> happen)
>
> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> Hello all  people
>> I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to
>> know
>> if
>> there are any procedures that I must follow before 

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[E.T.]

  Sorry wrong keyboard. Its actually above the forward delete key above 
the arrow keys.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/19/2016 12:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?

On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes, if your
keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a specific
manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
didn't get any response.
so, what is the issue?

On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press VO-f2-f2
to
bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting for
your
password.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa 
wrote:

Hi sir Scotte:
3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore, progress bar
busy.
I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and this
is the message that I got for 3 hours.
so what shall I do?

I'm connected to the internet.
Thanks


On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:

Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your
volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.

Should be good to go.

Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the
disk
isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the above
is
the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.



On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
wrote:

Thank you Scott.
But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS
or
the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if
I
choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the
store.thank you

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:


If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.

Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use
your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight
forward.


Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.


On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello Sir Scott
Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download
his
assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
Thank
you so much.

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:


Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice
over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.
Remember
once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
command F5 again will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not
always
happen)

To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.

On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa
mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello all  people
I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know
if
there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and
will
VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance

Ramy moustafa saber
Musicc instructor at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[E.T.]

   The Apple wired keyboard has an FN key, lower left.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
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On 9/19/2016 12:11 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?

On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes, if your
keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a specific
manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
didn't get any response.
so, what is the issue?

On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press VO-f2-f2
to
bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting for
your
password.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa 
wrote:

Hi sir Scotte:
3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore, progress bar
busy.
I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and this
is the message that I got for 3 hours.
so what shall I do?

I'm connected to the internet.
Thanks


On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:

Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your
volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.

Should be good to go.

Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the
disk
isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the above
is
the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.



On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
wrote:

Thank you Scott.
But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS
or
the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if
I
choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the
store.thank you

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:


If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.

Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use
your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight
forward.


Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.


On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello Sir Scott
Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download
his
assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
Thank
you so much.

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:


Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice
over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.
Remember
once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
command F5 again will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not
always
happen)

To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.

On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa
mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello all  people
I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know
if
there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and
will
VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance

Ramy moustafa saber
Musicc instructor at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Yes it does have the FN key.  It's located where the Insert key usually is on a 
Windows keyboard.  So, the top left of the group of six keys where the Home, 
End, Page Up, Page Down and Forward Delete, just above the Forward Delete key.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 13:11, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?

On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes, if your
> keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a specific
> manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
> didn't get any response.
> so, what is the issue?
> 
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press VO-f2-f2
>> to
>> bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting for
>> your
>> password.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi sir Scotte:
>> 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore, progress bar
>> busy.
>> I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and this
>> is the message that I got for 3 hours.
>> so what shall I do?
>> 
>> I'm connected to the internet.
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your
>>> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>>> 
>>> Should be good to go.
>>> 
>>> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the
>>> disk
>>> isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the above
>>> is
>>> the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
 wrote:
 
 Thank you Scott.
 But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS
 or
 the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if
 I
 choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the
 store.thank you
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados >>> > wrote:
 
> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
> install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
> 
> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use
> your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight
> forward.
> 
> 
> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Sir Scott
>> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download
>> his
>> assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
>> Thank
>> you so much.
>> 
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
>>> available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice
>>> over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.
>>> Remember
>>> once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
>>> command F5 again will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not
>>> always
>>> happen)
>>> 
>>> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa
 >>> > wrote:
 
 Hello all  people
 I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know
 if
 there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and
 will
 VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 Musicc instructor at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

I'm using the full Apple wire keyboard, so, I think it doesn't have
the Fn key, this is not a lap top anyway.
so, does this keyboard contains  fn key?

On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes, if your
> keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a specific
> manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>
> Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
> didn't get any response.
> so, what is the issue?
>
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press VO-f2-f2
>> to
>> bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting for
>> your
>> password.
>>
>> Later...
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi sir Scotte:
>> 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore, progress bar
>> busy.
>> I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and this
>> is the message that I got for 3 hours.
>> so what shall I do?
>>
>> I'm connected to the internet.
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your
>>> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>>>
>>> Should be good to go.
>>>
>>> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the
>>> disk
>>> isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the above
>>> is
>>> the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>>>
>>>
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
 wrote:

 Thank you Scott.
 But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS
 or
 the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if
 I
 choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the
 store.thank you

 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados >>> > wrote:

> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
> install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
>
> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use
> your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight
> forward.
>
>
> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>>
>> Hello Sir Scott
>> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download
>> his
>> assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
>> Thank
>> you so much.
>>
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
>>> available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice
>>> over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.
>>> Remember
>>> once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
>>> command F5 again will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not
>>> always
>>> happen)
>>>
>>> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa
 >>> > wrote:

 Hello all  people
 I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know
 if
 there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and
 will
 VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance

 Ramy moustafa saber
 Musicc instructor at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone

 --
 The following information is important for all members of the Mac
 Visionaries list.

 If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this
 list,
 or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please
 contact
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 itself.

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 is
 Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Hold down your FN key at the same time as the VO keys.  Sometimes, if your 
keyboard settings are set to have the Function keys behave in a specific 
manner, the FN key is required along with this key combination.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:52, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
didn't get any response.
so, what is the issue?

On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press VO-f2-f2 to
> bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting for your
> password.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hi sir Scotte:
> 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore, progress bar
> busy.
> I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and this
> is the message that I got for 3 hours.
> so what shall I do?
> 
> I'm connected to the internet.
> Thanks
> 
> 
> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your
>> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>> 
>> Should be good to go.
>> 
>> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the
>> disk
>> isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the above is
>> the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you Scott.
>>> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS
>>> or
>>> the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if I
>>> choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the
>>> store.thank you
>>> 
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>> licturer at:
>>> faculty of musical education
>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
 install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
 partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
 
 Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use
 your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight forward.
 
 
 Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> Hello Sir Scott
> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download his
> assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
> Thank
> you so much.
> 
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
>> available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice
>> over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.
>> Remember
>> once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
>> command F5 again will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not
>> always
>> happen)
>> 
>> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all  people
>>> I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know
>>> if
>>> there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and
>>> will
>>> VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance
>>> 
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>> Musicc instructor at:
>>> faculty of musical education
>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

The voiceover is working sir

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:04 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Try command F5 and see if Voice over restarts, sounds like it might have 
> turned off during the process.
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
>> didn't get any response.
>> so, what is the issue?
>> 
>>> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press VO-f2-f2 to
>>> bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting for your
>>> password.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi sir Scotte:
>>> 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore, progress bar
>>> busy.
>>> I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and this
>>> is the message that I got for 3 hours.
>>> so what shall I do?
>>> 
>>> I'm connected to the internet.
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> 
 On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
 Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your
 volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
 
 Should be good to go.
 
 Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the
 disk
 isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the above is
 the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
 
 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
> wrote:
> 
> Thank you Scott.
> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS
> or
> the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if I
> choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the
> store.thank you
> 
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
>> install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
>> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
>> 
>> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use
>> your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight forward.
>> 
>> 
>> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Sir Scott
>>> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download his
>>> assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
>>> Thank
>>> you so much.
>>> 
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>> licturer at:
>>> faculty of musical education
>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
 available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice
 over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.
 Remember
 once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
 command F5 again will reactivate with out issue. (this does not
 always
 happen)
 
 To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hello all  people
> I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know
> if
> there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and
> will
> VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance
> 
> Ramy moustafa saber
> Musicc instructor at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> --
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac
> Visionaries list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this
> list,
> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact
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> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 

Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Scott Granados]

Try command F5 and see if Voice over restarts, sounds like it might have turned 
off during the process.

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
> didn't get any response.
> so, what is the issue?
> 
> On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press VO-f2-f2 to
>> bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting for your
>> password.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi sir Scotte:
>> 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore, progress bar
>> busy.
>> I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and this
>> is the message that I got for 3 hours.
>> so what shall I do?
>> 
>> I'm connected to the internet.
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>>> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your
>>> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>>> 
>>> Should be good to go.
>>> 
>>> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the
>>> disk
>>> isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the above is
>>> the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
 wrote:
 
 Thank you Scott.
 But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS
 or
 the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if I
 choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the
 store.thank you
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados >>> >> wrote:
 
> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
> install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
> 
> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use
> your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight forward.
> 
> 
> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa > 
>> >> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Sir Scott
>> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download his
>> assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
>> Thank
>> you so much.
>> 
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados > 
>> >> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
>>> available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice
>>> over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.
>>> Remember
>>> once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
>>> command F5 again will reactivate with out issue. (this does not
>>> always
>>> happen)
>>> 
>>> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa
 mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>
 >> 
 wrote:
 
 Hello all  people
 I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know
 if
 there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and
 will
 VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 Musicc instructor at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello, I hit VO+f2f2, and I got only the ding from the Mac system, I
didn't get any response.
so, what is the issue?

On 9/19/16, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press VO-f2-f2 to
> bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting for your
> password.
>
> Later...
>
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>
> Hi sir Scotte:
> 3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore, progress bar
> busy.
> I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and this
> is the message that I got for 3 hours.
> so what shall I do?
>
> I'm connected to the internet.
> Thanks
>
>
> On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your
>> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>>
>> Should be good to go.
>>
>> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the
>> disk
>> isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the above is
>> the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you Scott.
>>> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS
>>> or
>>> the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if I
>>> choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the
>>> store.thank you
>>>
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>> licturer at:
>>> faculty of musical education
>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>>
 If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
 install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
 partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.

 Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use
 your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight forward.


 Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
>
> Hello Sir Scott
> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download his
> assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
> Thank
> you so much.
>
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
>
>> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
>> available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice
>> over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.
>> Remember
>> once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
>> command F5 again will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not
>> always
>> happen)
>>
>> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa
>>> >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all  people
>>> I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know
>>> if
>>> there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and
>>> will
>>> VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance
>>>
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>> Musicc instructor at:
>>> faculty of musical education
>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

It sounds like it's waiting for you to enter something.  Press VO-f2-f2 to 
bring up the Window Chooser and there's probably a dialog waiting for your 
password.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:41, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hi sir Scotte:
3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore, progress bar busy.
I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and this
is the message that I got for 3 hours.
so what shall I do?

I'm connected to the internet.
Thanks


On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your
> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
> 
> Should be good to go.
> 
> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the disk
> isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the above is
> the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you Scott.
>> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS or
>> the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if I
>> choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the
>> store.thank you
>> 
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>>> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
>>> install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
>>> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
>>> 
>>> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use
>>> your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight forward.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa >>> > wrote:
 
 Hello Sir Scott
 Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download his
 assistant before installing or it will download it automatically? Thank
 you so much.
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados >>> > wrote:
 
> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
> available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice
> over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.  Remember
> once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
> command F5 again will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not always
> happen)
> 
> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all  people
>> I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know if
>> there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and will
>> VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance
>> 
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> Musicc instructor at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi sir Scotte:
3 hours now, and I got the message: signing to mac appstore, progress bar busy.
I erezed my Mac hd, and I hit reinstall mac osx, I hit agree, and this
is the message that I got for 3 hours.
so what shall I do?

I'm connected to the internet.
Thanks


On 9/19/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your
> volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.
>
> Should be good to go.
>
> Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the disk
> isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the above is
> the steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.
>
>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Thank you Scott.
>> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS or
>> the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if I
>> choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the
>> store.thank you
>>
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>>
>>> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
>>> install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
>>> partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.
>>>
>>> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use
>>> your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight forward.
>>>
>>>
>>> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
>>>
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa >>> > wrote:

  Hello Sir Scott
 Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download his
 assistant before installing or it will download it automatically? Thank
 you so much.

 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados >>> > wrote:

> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
> available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice
> over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.  Remember
> once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing
> command F5 again will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not always
> happen)
>
> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>>
>> Hello all  people
>> I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know if
>> there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and will
>> VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance
>>
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> Musicc instructor at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Scott Granados]

Select disk utility, select the macintosh hd or what ever you named your 
volume, erase it, exit the utility and run reinstall.

Should be good to go.

Reinstall I think drops the install over the top of the old one if the disk 
isn’t cleared first, this may have changed more recently but the above is the 
steps I take to be sure the disk is clean.


> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
>  Thank you Scott.
> But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS or the 
> disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if I choose 
> reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the store.thank 
> you
> 
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or install 
>> from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is partitioned and has 
>> the operating system on it for installation.
>> 
>> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use your 
>> Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight forward.  
>> 
>> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Hello Sir Scott
>>> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download his 
>>> assistant before installing or it will download it automatically? Thank you 
>>> so much.
>>> 
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>> licturer at:
>>> faculty of musical education
>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is 
 available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice over 
 during install and get spoken directions the whole way.  Remember once in 
 a while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing command F5 again 
 will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not always happen)
 
 To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> Hello all  people
> I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know if 
> there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and will 
> VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance
> 
> Ramy moustafa saber
> Musicc instructor at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

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   Perhaps this Apple support article can answer some of your questions.


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On 9/18/2016 3:44 PM, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

 Thank you Scott.
But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS
or the disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D
if I choose reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in
the store.thank you

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:


If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or
install from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is
partitioned and has the operating system on it for installation.

Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use
your Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight forward.

Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.


On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:

 Hello Sir Scott
Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download
his assistant before installing or it will download it automatically?
Thank you so much.

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:


Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is
available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice
over during install and get spoken directions the whole way.
 Remember once in a while a new phase may start with out voice but
pressing command F5 again will reactivate with out issue.  (this
does not always happen)

To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.

On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa
mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello all  people
I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know
if there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this
and will VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance

Ramy moustafa saber
Musicc instructor at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

 Thank you Scott.
But now I am in the recovery mode.so what Chad I chose reinstalling OS or the 
disk utility? I need to get rid of all my data on my Mac it's D if I choose 
reinstall when it's remove my data? I need to make clean in the store.thank you

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or install 
> from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is partitioned and has 
> the operating system on it for installation.
> 
> Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use your 
> Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight forward.  
> 
> Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>>  Hello Sir Scott
>> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download his 
>> assistant before installing or it will download it automatically? Thank you 
>> so much.
>> 
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is 
>>> available during the entire install process.  You can activate voice over 
>>> during install and get spoken directions the whole way.  Remember once in a 
>>> while a new phase may start with out voice but pressing command F5 again 
>>> will reactivate with out issue.  (this does not always happen)
>>> 
>>> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
 On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa  
 wrote:
 
 Hello all  people
 I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know if 
 there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and will 
 VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 Musicc instructor at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Scott Granados]

If you boot in recover mode it will either download what it needs or install 
from the recover partition.  Part of your hard disk is partitioned and has the 
operating system on it for installation.

Everything you need should be already inlace or automatic. YOu’ll use your 
Apple ID, log in and follow the prompts.  Pretty straight forward.  

Good luck and do let us know if you have any further questions.

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
>  Hello Sir Scott
> Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download his 
> assistant before installing or it will download it automatically? Thank you 
> so much.
> 
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
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>> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is available 
>> during the entire install process.  You can activate voice over during 
>> install and get spoken directions the whole way.  Remember once in a while a 
>> new phase may start with out voice but pressing command F5 again will 
>> reactivate with out issue.  (this does not always happen)
>> 
>> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all  people
>>> I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know if 
>>> there are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and will 
>>> VoiceOver help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance
>>> 
>>> Ramy moustafa saber
>>> Musicc instructor at:
>>> faculty of musical education
>>> music arranger and sound engineer
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

 Hello Sir Scott
Thanks so much but  will it install online or what must I download his 
assistant before installing or it will download it automatically? Thank you so 
much.

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is available 
> during the entire install process.  You can activate voice over during 
> install and get spoken directions the whole way.  Remember once in a while a 
> new phase may start with out voice but pressing command F5 again will 
> reactivate with out issue.  (this does not always happen)
> 
> To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all  people
>> I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know if there 
>> are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and will VoiceOver 
>> help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance
>> 
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> Musicc instructor at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Scott Granados]

Hi there, this is one of the high points of the Mac, voice over is available 
during the entire install process.  You can activate voice over during install 
and get spoken directions the whole way.  Remember once in a while a new phase 
may start with out voice but pressing command F5 again will reactivate with out 
issue.  (this does not always happen)

To reinstall boot holding command R to enter recovery mode.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello all  people
> I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know if there 
> are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and will VoiceOver 
> help me in achieving this? Thanks in advance
> 
> Ramy moustafa saber
> Musicc instructor at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
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Installing a fresh copy of El Capitan on my Mac mini

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all  people
I decided to install a fresh new and Capi 10 but but I need to know if there 
are any procedures that I must follow before doing this and will VoiceOver help 
me in achieving this? Thanks in advance

Ramy moustafa saber
Musicc instructor at:
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RE: A Quick Question About Sorting Finder List View in Either Ascending or Descending Order in El Capitan

[M. Taylor]

That did the trick, Anne.

Thank you.

Mark

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Subject: Re: A Quick Question About Sorting Finder List View in Either 
Ascending or Descending Order in El Capitan

Hello Mark,

In List view, you need to interact with the table then place yourself in the 
column you wish to sort. The command is then VO-Shift-\ to go into headers, 
then VO-Space to do the sort, and VO-Shift-\ to get out of headers.
The first time you press VO-Space while in headers will sort in one direction, 
and another VO-Space will sort in the other direction.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 10 Sep 2016, at 09:22, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello Everyone,
> 
> So, today I inserted a USB drive in to OS X El Capitan.  
> 
> Upon opening the drive, in Finder, I switched to list view.  
> 
> Try as I may, I could not discover how to sort the files via 
> ascending/descending order.  I could organize them by name, date 
> created, etc but there did/does not appear to be a way to change the 
> order, via VoiceOver.
> 
> However, as I post this question, I do seem to remember that there 
> used to be a way to do this in Mountain Lion.  So, perhaps, I just 
> need a reminder on how this is done.
> 
> All replies welcome and thank you.
> 
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Re: A Quick Question About Sorting Finder List View in Either Ascending or Descending Order in El Capitan

[E.T.]

   Very nice, Anne. Had just one folder that needed this.

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On 9/10/2016 4:37 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

Hello Mark,

In List view, you need to interact with the table then place yourself in the 
column you wish to sort. The command is then VO-Shift-\ to go into headers, 
then VO-Space to do the sort, and VO-Shift-\ to get out of headers.
The first time you press VO-Space while in headers will sort in one direction, 
and another VO-Space will sort in the other direction.

Cheers,

Anne




On 10 Sep 2016, at 09:22, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello Everyone,

So, today I inserted a USB drive in to OS X El Capitan.

Upon opening the drive, in Finder, I switched to list view.

Try as I may, I could not discover how to sort the files via
ascending/descending order.  I could organize them by name, date created,
etc but there did/does not appear to be a way to change the order, via
VoiceOver.

However, as I post this question, I do seem to remember that there used to
be a way to do this in Mountain Lion.  So, perhaps, I just need a reminder
on how this is done.

All replies welcome and thank you.

Mark

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Re: A Quick Question About Sorting Finder List View in Either Ascending or Descending Order in El Capitan

[Stacey Robinson]

Ann,
Thanks for this.
I’ve been trying to figure it out for a long time.
Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

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> On Sep 10, 2016, at 6:37 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mark,
> 
> In List view, you need to interact with the table then place yourself in the 
> column you wish to sort. The command is then VO-Shift-\ to go into headers, 
> then VO-Space to do the sort, and VO-Shift-\ to get out of headers.
> The first time you press VO-Space while in headers will sort in one 
> direction, and another VO-Space will sort in the other direction.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10 Sep 2016, at 09:22, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> So, today I inserted a USB drive in to OS X El Capitan.  
>> 
>> Upon opening the drive, in Finder, I switched to list view.  
>> 
>> Try as I may, I could not discover how to sort the files via
>> ascending/descending order.  I could organize them by name, date created,
>> etc but there did/does not appear to be a way to change the order, via
>> VoiceOver.  
>> 
>> However, as I post this question, I do seem to remember that there used to
>> be a way to do this in Mountain Lion.  So, perhaps, I just need a reminder
>> on how this is done.
>> 
>> All replies welcome and thank you.
>> 
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Re: A Quick Question About Sorting Finder List View in Either Ascending or Descending Order in El Capitan

[Kliphton Miller]

The command you need is select all with command A, then command J, there will 
be some pop up menus, you want to sort by date added, modified, or date last 
opened, whatever your preference may be.  You can also select the check box 
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> On Sep 10, 2016, at 3:22 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello Everyone,
> 
> So, today I inserted a USB drive in to OS X El Capitan.  
> 
> Upon opening the drive, in Finder, I switched to list view.  
> 
> Try as I may, I could not discover how to sort the files via
> ascending/descending order.  I could organize them by name, date created,
> etc but there did/does not appear to be a way to change the order, via
> VoiceOver.  
> 
> However, as I post this question, I do seem to remember that there used to
> be a way to do this in Mountain Lion.  So, perhaps, I just need a reminder
> on how this is done.
> 
> All replies welcome and thank you.
> 
> Mark 
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Re: A Quick Question About Sorting Finder List View in Either Ascending or Descending Order in El Capitan

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Mark,

In List view, you need to interact with the table then place yourself in the 
column you wish to sort. The command is then VO-Shift-\ to go into headers, 
then VO-Space to do the sort, and VO-Shift-\ to get out of headers.
The first time you press VO-Space while in headers will sort in one direction, 
and another VO-Space will sort in the other direction.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 10 Sep 2016, at 09:22, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> So, today I inserted a USB drive in to OS X El Capitan.  
> 
> Upon opening the drive, in Finder, I switched to list view.  
> 
> Try as I may, I could not discover how to sort the files via
> ascending/descending order.  I could organize them by name, date created,
> etc but there did/does not appear to be a way to change the order, via
> VoiceOver.  
> 
> However, as I post this question, I do seem to remember that there used to
> be a way to do this in Mountain Lion.  So, perhaps, I just need a reminder
> on how this is done.
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A Quick Question About Sorting Finder List View in Either Ascending or Descending Order in El Capitan

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

So, today I inserted a USB drive in to OS X El Capitan.  

Upon opening the drive, in Finder, I switched to list view.  

Try as I may, I could not discover how to sort the files via
ascending/descending order.  I could organize them by name, date created,
etc but there did/does not appear to be a way to change the order, via
VoiceOver.  

However, as I post this question, I do seem to remember that there used to
be a way to do this in Mountain Lion.  So, perhaps, I just need a reminder
on how this is done.

All replies welcome and thank you.

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Re: Downloading MP3 Music from Amazon via Safari in El Capitan

[Christopher Gilland]

Awe, today's your BD?  Well then... happy birthday!  I hope you're having a 
terrific day.

Chris.


sent from my iPad

> On Aug 19, 2016, at 11:02, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> lol!
> or who failed to read a subject line.
> Thanks, its my birthday, so I am off to prepare for my performance.
> As I positive side note though.
> There really are resources for Simon's situation.  If things had not wondered 
> in the rose garden I could not ask for those.
> Cheers,
> Kare
> 
> 
>> On Fri, 19 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:
>> 
>>  We get it, Karen, we get it. Its perfectly clear now. Forgive those who 
>> have sinned, for we failed to fully understand. Have yourself a wonderful 
>> weekend. (smiles)
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 8/19/2016 7:33 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>>> No,   My question was  perfectly cl
>>> Normally the first thing anyone asks is "what are you using?
>>> I did not ask for troubleshooting at all.  I asked for the name of a
>>> contact who has been provided  on this list before.
>>> Others referenced windows solutions too, and others here use terminal to
>>> virtualize  their systems.
>>> I have said more than once over the years, that  for  reasons tied to a
>>> surgical accident, most digital speech including ios voices stimulate
>>> the dizzy centres of my brain, meaning that until nuance is possible
>>> ios is out...with testing risking hospitalization.
>>> I also responded to our details by referencing my own frame of reference.
>>> I asked for a contact.  how does that sentence translate into "hey I am
>>> using this platform and cannot do this, can you give me some pointers?
>>> I believe it was you who decided, without asking, what was needful
>>> 
>>> Which is why my first follow up spoke of WACG 2.0...with Chris
>>> asking for  an explanation. regardless of circumstance a person
>>> experiencing a disability is entitled to access.
>>>   The laws governing access are based on how things work,  i. e. does
>>> the site function the same if a person hits the enter key  that it does
>>> if a person uses a mouse.
>>> Can a person get things in the accessible format of their choice, say
>>> braille,  even if for example less than 1% of those experiencing
>>> blindness in the UK read braille?
>>> 
>>> Your choice to interpret lies with you.
>>>  Ask for more information, or perhaps read more carefully.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 18 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:
>>> >  Karen,
>>> >To be perfectly blunt, while you did not say you were using a Mac,
>>> >  you also did not state otherwise. After all, you posted to an OS X/iOS
>>> >  group. So you indeed led some astray.
>>> > >  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> >  Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> >  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> > >  On 8/18/2016 9:01 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>>> > >   Did you read my source post?
>>> > >   at no time have I ever referenced that I amusing a mac, or ios.
>>> > >   Instead I spoke of web content access guidelines, which speak of
>>> > >   accessibility for everyone regardless of disability, and are not tool
>>> > >   specific.  I referenced the keyboard, the ability to  access content 
>>> > > > >   in
>>> > >   low graphics enviroments, like Linux,, but I never once asked for > > 
>>> > >   more
>>> > >   than the accessibility contact, nor did I once referenced mac issues.
>>> > >   I respect this list enough to know if I were  seeking to trouble
>>> > >  shoot I
>>> > >   should provide technical specifics.  you are the first to even ask > 
>>> > > >   what
>>> > >   I was doing.
>>> > >   Karen
>>> > > > > > >   On Thu, 18 Aug 2016, M. Taylor wrote:
>>> > > > > >   Hello,
>>> > > > >   Perhaps I'm missing something here.
>>> > > > >   Karen, et al,
>>> > > > >   I just logged into my Amazon.com account in Safari on my Mac and
>>> > >  was
>>> > > >   able to
>>> > > >   download a song with no problem.
>>> > > > >   So, what am I missing?
>>> > > > >   What exactly is it that cannot be done via VoiceOver with regard 
>>> > > > > > > > >   to
>>> > > >   downloading MP3 files on the Mac?
>>> > > > >   Mark
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Re: Downloading MP3 Music from Amazon via Safari in El Capitan

[Karen Lewellen]

lol!
or who failed to read a subject line.
Thanks, its my birthday, so I am off to prepare for my performance.
As I positive side note though.
There really are resources for Simon's situation.  If things had not 
wondered in the rose garden I could not ask for those.

Cheers,
Kare


On Fri, 19 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:

  We get it, Karen, we get it. Its perfectly clear now. Forgive those who 
have sinned, for we failed to fully understand. Have yourself a wonderful 
weekend. (smiles)


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/19/2016 7:33 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 No,   My question was  perfectly cl
 Normally the first thing anyone asks is "what are you using?
 I did not ask for troubleshooting at all.  I asked for the name of a
 contact who has been provided  on this list before.
 Others referenced windows solutions too, and others here use terminal to
 virtualize  their systems.
 I have said more than once over the years, that  for  reasons tied to a
 surgical accident, most digital speech including ios voices stimulate
 the dizzy centres of my brain, meaning that until nuance is possible
 ios is out...with testing risking hospitalization.
 I also responded to our details by referencing my own frame of reference.
 I asked for a contact.  how does that sentence translate into "hey I am
 using this platform and cannot do this, can you give me some pointers?
 I believe it was you who decided, without asking, what was needful

 Which is why my first follow up spoke of WACG 2.0...with Chris
 asking for  an explanation. regardless of circumstance a person
 experiencing a disability is entitled to access.
   The laws governing access are based on how things work,  i. e. does
 the site function the same if a person hits the enter key  that it does
 if a person uses a mouse.
 Can a person get things in the accessible format of their choice, say
 braille,  even if for example less than 1% of those experiencing
 blindness in the UK read braille?

 Your choice to interpret lies with you.
  Ask for more information, or perhaps read more carefully.



 On Thu, 18 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:

>  Karen,
>To be perfectly blunt, while you did not say you were using a Mac,
>  you also did not state otherwise. After all, you posted to an OS X/iOS
>  group. So you indeed led some astray.
> 
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...

>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>  On 8/18/2016 9:01 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> >   Did you read my source post?
> >   at no time have I ever referenced that I amusing a mac, or ios.
> >   Instead I spoke of web content access guidelines, which speak of
> >   accessibility for everyone regardless of disability, and are not tool
> >   specific.  I referenced the keyboard, the ability to  access content 
> >   in
> >   low graphics enviroments, like Linux,, but I never once asked for 
> >   more

> >   than the accessibility contact, nor did I once referenced mac issues.
> >   I respect this list enough to know if I were  seeking to trouble
> >  shoot I
> >   should provide technical specifics.  you are the first to even ask 
> >   what

> >   I was doing.
> >   Karen
> > 
> > 
> >   On Thu, 18 Aug 2016, M. Taylor wrote:
> > 
> > >   Hello,

> > > >   Perhaps I'm missing something here.
> > > >   Karen, et al,
> > > >   I just logged into my Amazon.com account in Safari on my Mac and
> >  was
> > >   able to
> > >   download a song with no problem.
> > > >   So, what am I missing?
> > > >   What exactly is it that cannot be done via VoiceOver with regard 
> > > >   to

> > >   downloading MP3 files on the Mac?
> > > >   Mark
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Re: Downloading MP3 Music from Amazon via Safari in El Capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Amen!  I have to say I totally agree with E.T on this one.
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- Original Message - 
From: "Karen Lewellen" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: Downloading MP3 Music from Amazon via Safari in El Capitan



No,   My question was  perfectly cl
Normally the first thing anyone asks is "what are you using?
I did not ask for troubleshooting at all.  I asked for the name of a 
contact who has been provided  on this list before.
Others referenced windows solutions too, and others here use terminal to 
virtualize  their systems.
I have said more than once over the years, that  for  reasons tied to a 
surgical accident, most digital speech including ios voices stimulate the 
dizzy centres of my brain, meaning that until nuance is possible  ios is 
out...with testing risking hospitalization.

I also responded to our details by referencing my own frame of reference.
I asked for a contact.  how does that sentence translate into "hey I am 
using this platform and cannot do this, can you give me some pointers?

I believe it was you who decided, without asking, what was needful

Which is why my first follow up spoke of WACG 2.0...with Chris asking for 
an explanation. regardless of circumstance a person experiencing a 
disability is entitled to access.
  The laws governing access are based on how things work,  i. e. does the 
site function the same if a person hits the enter key  that it does if a 
person uses a mouse.
Can a person get things in the accessible format of their choice, say 
braille,  even if for example less than 1% of those experiencing blindness 
in the UK read braille?


Your choice to interpret lies with you.
 Ask for more information, or perhaps read more carefully.



On Thu, 18 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:


Karen,
  To be perfectly blunt, while you did not say you were using a Mac, you 
also did not state otherwise. After all, you posted to an OS X/iOS group. 
So you indeed led some astray.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/18/2016 9:01 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 Did you read my source post?
 at no time have I ever referenced that I amusing a mac, or ios.
 Instead I spoke of web content access guidelines, which speak of
 accessibility for everyone regardless of disability, and are not tool
 specific.  I referenced the keyboard, the ability to  access content in
 low graphics enviroments, like Linux,, but I never once asked for more
 than the accessibility contact, nor did I once referenced mac issues.
 I respect this list enough to know if I were  seeking to trouble shoot 
I

 should provide technical specifics.  you are the first to even ask what
 I was doing.
 Karen

 On Thu, 18 Aug 2016, M. Taylor wrote:

>  Hello,
>
>  Perhaps I'm missing something here.
>
>  Karen, et al,
>
>  I just logged into my Amazon.com account in Safari on my Mac and was
>  able to
>  download a song with no problem.
>
>  So, what am I missing?
>
>  What exactly is it that cannot be done via VoiceOver with regard to
>  downloading MP3 files on the Mac?
>
>  Mark
>
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RE: Downloading MP3 Music from Amazon via Safari in El Capitan

[Karen Lewellen]

Not hostel in the least.
In  fact your subject line illustrates perfectly what a question looks 
like seeking troubleshooting.  My subject line sought a contact name.
I also wrote my reply rather late, so I did not project emotion in any 
intentional  way.
I asked for a contact that  others have shared previously.  I referenced my 
frame of context, WACG, with pa positive side meaning I can connect Simon 
with people in NZ who are aware of how those rules may apply to his work 
situation.
 You illustrate here what troubleshooting requests consist of,  and 
nothing in my first question included that information.

Sorry if you felt intensity where none was presented.
Kare


On Thu, 18 Aug 2016, M. Taylor wrote:


Karen,

To answer your question, yes, I did read your original post.

To be honest, your reply comes across as being a bit hostile.  I am not
certain if this is intentional or unintentional but, regardless, I ask that
you keep in mind two very important aspects of this community:

1.
While we do enjoy discussing various aspects of technology, our primary
purpose is to support each other in the use of Apple products.
Consequently, it is not unreasonable for anyone to assume that, unless
otherwise specified, when one describes an unresolved challenge, that one is
referring to, at minimum, an Apple product, most likely being Mac OS.

2.
While, sometimes, the members of this community take time to wade through
all of the messages in order to obtain solutions to various problems, more
often than not, we do so in order to help others resolve their challenges.

When I first saw your message, I was in the middle of a project so could not
give it the time I thought it deserved.  However, I never forgot that you
were unable to enjoy an MP3 file that you purchased.  So, as a result, I
resolved that at the first opportunity, assuming that a solution had not
been discovered, I would attempt to reproduce your scenario as I understood
it, to either confirm your results or determine a workaround.

I think you would be quite surprised at the number of people in this
community who attempted to reproduce your problem in hopes of discovering a
solution.  The fact that the original thread turned a bit harsh, is
unfortunate and probably inhibited some from posting so as not to get into
yet another proverbial firefight.

As E.T. correctly stated, "To be perfectly blunt, while you did not say you
were using a Mac, you also did not state otherwise. After all, you posted to
an OS X/iOS group ..."

Karen, regardless of the net real-world result, I and others took the time
to try to help you.  This is no small thing and should not be taken for
granted as, quite frankly, you were not taken for granted and, subsequently
not ignored.

In conclusion I'll add that I am really happy to learn that your Amazon .MP3
problem was not the result of some kind of bug with an Apple product, all
things being equal.

Mark

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 9:01 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Downloading MP3 Music from Amazon via Safari in El Capitan

Did you read my source post?
at no time have I ever referenced that I amusing a mac, or ios.
Instead I spoke of web content access guidelines, which speak of
accessibility for everyone regardless of disability, and are not tool
specific.  I referenced the keyboard, the ability to  access content in low
graphics enviroments, like Linux,, but I never once asked for more than the
accessibility contact, nor did I once referenced mac issues.
I respect this list enough to know if I were  seeking to trouble shoot I
should provide technical specifics.  you are the first to even ask what I
was doing.
Karen


On Thu, 18 Aug 2016, M. Taylor wrote:


Hello,

Perhaps I'm missing something here.

Karen, et al,

I just logged into my Amazon.com account in Safari on my Mac and was
able to download a song with no problem.

So, what am I missing?

What exactly is it that cannot be done via VoiceOver with regard to
downloading MP3 files on the Mac?

Mark

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Re: Downloading MP3 Music from Amazon via Safari in El Capitan

[E.T.]

   We get it, Karen, we get it. Its perfectly clear now. Forgive those 
who have sinned, for we failed to fully understand. Have yourself a 
wonderful weekend. (smiles)


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/19/2016 7:33 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

No,   My question was  perfectly cl
Normally the first thing anyone asks is "what are you using?
I did not ask for troubleshooting at all.  I asked for the name of a
contact who has been provided  on this list before.
Others referenced windows solutions too, and others here use terminal to
virtualize  their systems.
I have said more than once over the years, that  for  reasons tied to a
surgical accident, most digital speech including ios voices stimulate
the dizzy centres of my brain, meaning that until nuance is possible
ios is out...with testing risking hospitalization.
I also responded to our details by referencing my own frame of reference.
I asked for a contact.  how does that sentence translate into "hey I am
using this platform and cannot do this, can you give me some pointers?
I believe it was you who decided, without asking, what was needful

Which is why my first follow up spoke of WACG 2.0...with Chris
asking for  an explanation. regardless of circumstance a person
experiencing a disability is entitled to access.
  The laws governing access are based on how things work,  i. e. does
the site function the same if a person hits the enter key  that it does
if a person uses a mouse.
Can a person get things in the accessible format of their choice, say
braille,  even if for example less than 1% of those experiencing
blindness in the UK read braille?

Your choice to interpret lies with you.
 Ask for more information, or perhaps read more carefully.



On Thu, 18 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:


Karen,
  To be perfectly blunt, while you did not say you were using a Mac,
you also did not state otherwise. After all, you posted to an OS X/iOS
group. So you indeed led some astray.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/18/2016 9:01 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 Did you read my source post?
 at no time have I ever referenced that I amusing a mac, or ios.
 Instead I spoke of web content access guidelines, which speak of
 accessibility for everyone regardless of disability, and are not tool
 specific.  I referenced the keyboard, the ability to  access content in
 low graphics enviroments, like Linux,, but I never once asked for more
 than the accessibility contact, nor did I once referenced mac issues.
 I respect this list enough to know if I were  seeking to trouble
shoot I
 should provide technical specifics.  you are the first to even ask what
 I was doing.
 Karen


 On Thu, 18 Aug 2016, M. Taylor wrote:

>  Hello,
> >  Perhaps I'm missing something here.
> >  Karen, et al,
> >  I just logged into my Amazon.com account in Safari on my Mac and
was
>  able to
>  download a song with no problem.
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Re: Downloading MP3 Music from Amazon via Safari in El Capitan

[Karen Lewellen]

No,   My question was  perfectly cl
Normally the first thing anyone asks is 
"what are you using?
I did not ask for troubleshooting at all.  I asked for the name of a 
contact who has been provided  on this list before.
Others referenced windows solutions too, and others here use terminal to 
virtualize  their systems.
I have said more than once over the years, that  for  reasons tied to a 
surgical accident, most digital speech including ios voices stimulate the 
dizzy centres of my brain, meaning that until nuance is possible  ios 
is out...with testing risking hospitalization.

I also responded to our details by referencing my own frame of reference.
I asked for a contact.  how does that sentence translate into "hey I am 
using this platform and cannot do this, can you give me some pointers?

I believe it was you who decided, without asking, what was needful

Which is why my first follow up spoke of WACG	 2.0...with Chris asking 
for  an explanation. 
regardless of circumstance a person experiencing a disability is entitled 
to access.
  The laws governing access are based on how things work,  i. e. does 
the site function the same if a person hits the enter key  that it does if 
a person uses a mouse.
Can a person get things in the accessible format of their choice, say 
braille,  even if for example less than 1% of those experiencing blindness 
in the UK read braille?


Your choice to interpret lies with you.
 Ask for more information, or perhaps read more 
carefully.




On Thu, 18 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:


Karen,
  To be perfectly blunt, while you did not say you were using a Mac, you 
also did not state otherwise. After all, you posted to an OS X/iOS group. So 
you indeed led some astray.


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On 8/18/2016 9:01 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 Did you read my source post?
 at no time have I ever referenced that I amusing a mac, or ios.
 Instead I spoke of web content access guidelines, which speak of
 accessibility for everyone regardless of disability, and are not tool
 specific.  I referenced the keyboard, the ability to  access content in
 low graphics enviroments, like Linux,, but I never once asked for more
 than the accessibility contact, nor did I once referenced mac issues.
 I respect this list enough to know if I were  seeking to trouble shoot I
 should provide technical specifics.  you are the first to even ask what
 I was doing.
 Karen


 On Thu, 18 Aug 2016, M. Taylor wrote:

>  Hello,
> 
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> 
>  Karen, et al,
> 
>  I just logged into my Amazon.com account in Safari on my Mac and was

>  able to
>  download a song with no problem.
> 
>  So, what am I missing?
> 
>  What exactly is it that cannot be done via VoiceOver with regard to

>  downloading MP3 files on the Mac?
> 
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RE: Downloading MP3 Music from Amazon via Safari in El Capitan

[M. Taylor]

Karen,

To answer your question, yes, I did read your original post.

To be honest, your reply comes across as being a bit hostile.  I am not
certain if this is intentional or unintentional but, regardless, I ask that
you keep in mind two very important aspects of this community:

1.
While we do enjoy discussing various aspects of technology, our primary
purpose is to support each other in the use of Apple products.
Consequently, it is not unreasonable for anyone to assume that, unless
otherwise specified, when one describes an unresolved challenge, that one is
referring to, at minimum, an Apple product, most likely being Mac OS.

2.
While, sometimes, the members of this community take time to wade through
all of the messages in order to obtain solutions to various problems, more
often than not, we do so in order to help others resolve their challenges.

When I first saw your message, I was in the middle of a project so could not
give it the time I thought it deserved.  However, I never forgot that you
were unable to enjoy an MP3 file that you purchased.  So, as a result, I
resolved that at the first opportunity, assuming that a solution had not
been discovered, I would attempt to reproduce your scenario as I understood
it, to either confirm your results or determine a workaround.

I think you would be quite surprised at the number of people in this
community who attempted to reproduce your problem in hopes of discovering a
solution.  The fact that the original thread turned a bit harsh, is
unfortunate and probably inhibited some from posting so as not to get into
yet another proverbial firefight.

As E.T. correctly stated, "To be perfectly blunt, while you did not say you
were using a Mac, you also did not state otherwise. After all, you posted to
an OS X/iOS group ..."

Karen, regardless of the net real-world result, I and others took the time
to try to help you.  This is no small thing and should not be taken for
granted as, quite frankly, you were not taken for granted and, subsequently
not ignored.

In conclusion I'll add that I am really happy to learn that your Amazon .MP3
problem was not the result of some kind of bug with an Apple product, all
things being equal.

Mark

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 9:01 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Downloading MP3 Music from Amazon via Safari in El Capitan

Did you read my source post?
at no time have I ever referenced that I amusing a mac, or ios.
Instead I spoke of web content access guidelines, which speak of
accessibility for everyone regardless of disability, and are not tool
specific.  I referenced the keyboard, the ability to  access content in low
graphics enviroments, like Linux,, but I never once asked for more than the
accessibility contact, nor did I once referenced mac issues.
I respect this list enough to know if I were  seeking to trouble shoot I
should provide technical specifics.  you are the first to even ask what I
was doing.
Karen


On Thu, 18 Aug 2016, M. Taylor wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Perhaps I'm missing something here.
>
> Karen, et al,
>
> I just logged into my Amazon.com account in Safari on my Mac and was 
> able to download a song with no problem.
>
> So, what am I missing?
>
> What exactly is it that cannot be done via VoiceOver with regard to 
> downloading MP3 files on the Mac?
>
> Mark
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Re: Downloading MP3 Music from Amazon via Safari in El Capitan

[E.T.]

Karen,
   To be perfectly blunt, while you did not say you were using a Mac, 
you also did not state otherwise. After all, you posted to an OS X/iOS 
group. So you indeed led some astray.


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On 8/18/2016 9:01 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Did you read my source post?
at no time have I ever referenced that I amusing a mac, or ios.
Instead I spoke of web content access guidelines, which speak of
accessibility for everyone regardless of disability, and are not tool
specific.  I referenced the keyboard, the ability to  access content in
low graphics enviroments, like Linux,, but I never once asked for more
than the accessibility contact, nor did I once referenced mac issues.
I respect this list enough to know if I were  seeking to trouble shoot I
should provide technical specifics.  you are the first to even ask what
I was doing.
Karen


On Thu, 18 Aug 2016, M. Taylor wrote:


Hello,

Perhaps I'm missing something here.

Karen, et al,

I just logged into my Amazon.com account in Safari on my Mac and was
able to
download a song with no problem.

So, what am I missing?

What exactly is it that cannot be done via VoiceOver with regard to
downloading MP3 files on the Mac?

Mark

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Re: Downloading MP3 Music from Amazon via Safari in El Capitan

[Karen Lewellen]

Did you read my source post?
at no time have I ever referenced that I amusing a mac, or ios.
Instead I spoke of web content access guidelines, which speak of 
accessibility for everyone regardless of disability, and are not tool 
specific.  I referenced the keyboard, the ability to  access content in 
low graphics enviroments, like Linux,, but I never once asked for more than the 
accessibility contact, nor did I once referenced mac issues.
I respect this list enough to know if I were  seeking to trouble shoot I 
should provide technical specifics.  you are the first to even ask what I 
was doing.

Karen


On Thu, 18 Aug 2016, M. Taylor wrote:


Hello,

Perhaps I'm missing something here.

Karen, et al,

I just logged into my Amazon.com account in Safari on my Mac and was able to
download a song with no problem.

So, what am I missing?

What exactly is it that cannot be done via VoiceOver with regard to
downloading MP3 files on the Mac?

Mark

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Re: Downloading MP3 Music from Amazon via Safari in El Capitan

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I agree with Mark.  This thread has veered so dang far off the mac topic, I 
don't even know what the heck we're talking about anymore.

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- Original Message - 
From: "M. Taylor" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 10:08 PM
Subject: Downloading MP3 Music from Amazon via Safari in El Capitan



Hello,

Perhaps I'm missing something here.

Karen, et al,

I just logged into my Amazon.com account in Safari on my Mac and was able 
to

download a song with no problem.

So, what am I missing?

What exactly is it that cannot be done via VoiceOver with regard to
downloading MP3 files on the Mac?

Mark

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Downloading MP3 Music from Amazon via Safari in El Capitan

[M. Taylor]

Hello,

Perhaps I'm missing something here.

Karen, et al, 

I just logged into my Amazon.com account in Safari on my Mac and was able to
download a song with no problem.  

So, what am I missing?  

What exactly is it that cannot be done via VoiceOver with regard to
downloading MP3 files on the Mac?  

Mark

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RE: recovering a deleted contact with El Capitan

[Simon Fogarty]

Have you gone in to your trash and tried to re insert it from there?

-Original Message-
From: Paul Hopewell  [mailto:paulhopewe...@gmail.com] On 
Behalf Of Paul Hopewell
Sent: Saturday, 30 July 2016 10:35 PM
To: macvisionaries 
Subject: recovering a deleted contact with El Capitan

Hello, 
I am running the latest level of El Capitan. I use Time Machine. 
Is it possible using VoiceOver and Time Machine to recover a contact I 
erroneously deleted a few days ago?
Many thanks.

Paul Hopewell 

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