Re: Keyboard Focus / Voice Over Cursor / Mouse Pointer
Hello Robert, The only app I ever use for chatting, and that isn't very often, is Skype, so I don't know how the others work. Cheers, Anne On 18 Apr 2014, at 20:21, Robert C gone.to.da...@gmail.com wrote: Anne, I dont use Skype but imagine this works in any instant messaging as well. What I hear while typing is controlled by the verbosity settings? Here is what I would like to know. What are the steps to follow when I want to start a chat? Not how to initiate one but how to deal with the keyboard and VP focus. Once I have done this a time or two I should be ok. Until now, I have only disabled tracking when installing some apps. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Laws change more slowly than custom, and though dangerous when they fall behind the times are more dangerous still when they presume to anticipate custom. --Marguerite Yourcenar (1903 - 1987) Robert Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/17/2014 10:32 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Robert, What you hear when typing depends on how you have your keyboard echo set. What your correspondent has written can be read automatically in Skype if you have Growl installed, otherwise you need to navigate to it. Cheers, Anne On 17 Apr 2014, at 20:23, Robert C gone.to.da...@gmail.com wrote: Anne, This is an old message but of interest. Specifically, the cursor tracking when in a chat environment. If tracking is off, keyboard fozus is on the edit field, and VO is on the text the other person types, do you hear both spoken or do you need to use commands? This is new to me and I wish to try a chat soon with a friend. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. They should both be changed regularly and for the same reason. Robert Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 1/24/2014 11:32 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Lee, The keyboard focus is the position of the insertion point, which is shown on the screen as a tiny line between two characters. This is where your text will start if you begin typing. The VoiceOver cursor is shown as a box around an area on the screen and you can change its size in the VoiceOver utility. Normally the keyboard focus and the VoiceOver cursor are tied together so that VoiceOver tells you where you can enter information, but in a chat, you want to be able to read what the other person has written without moving the insertion point from the field where you type your reply, so you turn cursor tracking off. In general, we don't need to worry about the mouse cursor, but some operations require the mouse to be on a specific element, in which case, you can bring the mouse cursor to the VO cursor with VO-Cmd-F5 if you don't have the mouse cursor tied to the other cursors already. I prefer not to have my mouse cursor tied to the other cursors as I find it can cause some irritating jumping around. Mouse keys allows you to pilot the mouse using either the numpad or the letter keys on the righthand side of the keyboard. In VoiceOver utility, you can tell VO to speak the text under the mouse with no delay so that you can hear where your mouse pointer is. Moving the mouse pointer in this way can make some elements accessible which the VoiceOver cursor can't reach. Cheers, Anne On 25 Jan 2014, at 02:40, Lee Jones leejones...@sky.com wrote: Dear List I don't understand the difference between keyboard focus and voice over cursor. What can you do with one that you can't do withthe the other? Do people find mouse keys useful? There are shortcuts for mouse up mouse down, double click etc but I am not sure what they would be used for. In setttings is it best to have keyboard focus vo cursor and mouse pointer following each other or moving separately? I am running mavericks. Many Thanks, Lee -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
Re: Keyboard Focus / Voice Over Cursor / Mouse Pointer
Anne, I dont use Skype but imagine this works in any instant messaging as well. What I hear while typing is controlled by the verbosity settings? Here is what I would like to know. What are the steps to follow when I want to start a chat? Not how to initiate one but how to deal with the keyboard and VP focus. Once I have done this a time or two I should be ok. Until now, I have only disabled tracking when installing some apps. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Laws change more slowly than custom, and though dangerous when they fall behind the times are more dangerous still when they presume to anticipate custom. --Marguerite Yourcenar (1903 - 1987) Robert Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/17/2014 10:32 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Robert, What you hear when typing depends on how you have your keyboard echo set. What your correspondent has written can be read automatically in Skype if you have Growl installed, otherwise you need to navigate to it. Cheers, Anne On 17 Apr 2014, at 20:23, Robert C gone.to.da...@gmail.com wrote: Anne, This is an old message but of interest. Specifically, the cursor tracking when in a chat environment. If tracking is off, keyboard fozus is on the edit field, and VO is on the text the other person types, do you hear both spoken or do you need to use commands? This is new to me and I wish to try a chat soon with a friend. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. They should both be changed regularly and for the same reason. Robert Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 1/24/2014 11:32 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Lee, The keyboard focus is the position of the insertion point, which is shown on the screen as a tiny line between two characters. This is where your text will start if you begin typing. The VoiceOver cursor is shown as a box around an area on the screen and you can change its size in the VoiceOver utility. Normally the keyboard focus and the VoiceOver cursor are tied together so that VoiceOver tells you where you can enter information, but in a chat, you want to be able to read what the other person has written without moving the insertion point from the field where you type your reply, so you turn cursor tracking off. In general, we don't need to worry about the mouse cursor, but some operations require the mouse to be on a specific element, in which case, you can bring the mouse cursor to the VO cursor with VO-Cmd-F5 if you don't have the mouse cursor tied to the other cursors already. I prefer not to have my mouse cursor tied to the other cursors as I find it can cause some irritating jumping around. Mouse keys allows you to pilot the mouse using either the numpad or the letter keys on the righthand side of the keyboard. In VoiceOver utility, you can tell VO to speak the text under the mouse with no delay so that you can hear where your mouse pointer is. Moving the mouse pointer in this way can make some elements accessible which the VoiceOver cursor can't reach. Cheers, Anne On 25 Jan 2014, at 02:40, Lee Jones leejones...@sky.com wrote: Dear List I don't understand the difference between keyboard focus and voice over cursor. What can you do with one that you can't do withthe the other? Do people find mouse keys useful? There are shortcuts for mouse up mouse down, double click etc but I am not sure what they would be used for. In setttings is it best to have keyboard focus vo cursor and mouse pointer following each other or moving separately? I am running mavericks. Many Thanks, Lee -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Keyboard Focus / Voice Over Cursor / Mouse Pointer
Anne, This is an old message but of interest. Specifically, the cursor tracking when in a chat environment. If tracking is off, keyboard fozus is on the edit field, and VO is on the text the other person types, do you hear both spoken or do you need to use commands? This is new to me and I wish to try a chat soon with a friend. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. They should both be changed regularly and for the same reason. Robert Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 1/24/2014 11:32 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Lee, The keyboard focus is the position of the insertion point, which is shown on the screen as a tiny line between two characters. This is where your text will start if you begin typing. The VoiceOver cursor is shown as a box around an area on the screen and you can change its size in the VoiceOver utility. Normally the keyboard focus and the VoiceOver cursor are tied together so that VoiceOver tells you where you can enter information, but in a chat, you want to be able to read what the other person has written without moving the insertion point from the field where you type your reply, so you turn cursor tracking off. In general, we don't need to worry about the mouse cursor, but some operations require the mouse to be on a specific element, in which case, you can bring the mouse cursor to the VO cursor with VO-Cmd-F5 if you don't have the mouse cursor tied to the other cursors already. I prefer not to have my mouse cursor tied to the other cursors as I find it can cause some irritating jumping around. Mouse keys allows you to pilot the mouse using either the numpad or the letter keys on the righthand side of the keyboard. In VoiceOver utility, you can tell VO to speak the text under the mouse with no delay so that you can hear where your mouse pointer is. Moving the mouse pointer in this way can make some elements accessible which the VoiceOver cursor can't reach. Cheers, Anne On 25 Jan 2014, at 02:40, Lee Jones leejones...@sky.com wrote: Dear List I don't understand the difference between keyboard focus and voice over cursor. What can you do with one that you can't do withthe the other? Do people find mouse keys useful? There are shortcuts for mouse up mouse down, double click etc but I am not sure what they would be used for. In setttings is it best to have keyboard focus vo cursor and mouse pointer following each other or moving separately? I am running mavericks. Many Thanks, Lee -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Keyboard Focus / Voice Over Cursor / Mouse Pointer
Hello Robert, What you hear when typing depends on how you have your keyboard echo set. What your correspondent has written can be read automatically in Skype if you have Growl installed, otherwise you need to navigate to it. Cheers, Anne On 17 Apr 2014, at 20:23, Robert C gone.to.da...@gmail.com wrote: Anne, This is an old message but of interest. Specifically, the cursor tracking when in a chat environment. If tracking is off, keyboard fozus is on the edit field, and VO is on the text the other person types, do you hear both spoken or do you need to use commands? This is new to me and I wish to try a chat soon with a friend. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. They should both be changed regularly and for the same reason. Robert Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 1/24/2014 11:32 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Lee, The keyboard focus is the position of the insertion point, which is shown on the screen as a tiny line between two characters. This is where your text will start if you begin typing. The VoiceOver cursor is shown as a box around an area on the screen and you can change its size in the VoiceOver utility. Normally the keyboard focus and the VoiceOver cursor are tied together so that VoiceOver tells you where you can enter information, but in a chat, you want to be able to read what the other person has written without moving the insertion point from the field where you type your reply, so you turn cursor tracking off. In general, we don't need to worry about the mouse cursor, but some operations require the mouse to be on a specific element, in which case, you can bring the mouse cursor to the VO cursor with VO-Cmd-F5 if you don't have the mouse cursor tied to the other cursors already. I prefer not to have my mouse cursor tied to the other cursors as I find it can cause some irritating jumping around. Mouse keys allows you to pilot the mouse using either the numpad or the letter keys on the righthand side of the keyboard. In VoiceOver utility, you can tell VO to speak the text under the mouse with no delay so that you can hear where your mouse pointer is. Moving the mouse pointer in this way can make some elements accessible which the VoiceOver cursor can't reach. Cheers, Anne On 25 Jan 2014, at 02:40, Lee Jones leejones...@sky.com wrote: Dear List I don't understand the difference between keyboard focus and voice over cursor. What can you do with one that you can't do withthe the other? Do people find mouse keys useful? There are shortcuts for mouse up mouse down, double click etc but I am not sure what they would be used for. In setttings is it best to have keyboard focus vo cursor and mouse pointer following each other or moving separately? I am running mavericks. Many Thanks, Lee -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Keyboard Focus / Voice Over Cursor / Mouse Pointer
Dear List I don't understand the difference between keyboard focus and voice over cursor. What can you do with one that you can't do withthe the other? Do people find mouse keys useful? There are shortcuts for mouse up mouse down, double click etc but I am not sure what they would be used for. In setttings is it best to have keyboard focus vo cursor and mouse pointer following each other or moving separately? I am running mavericks. Many Thanks, Lee -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Keyboard Focus / Voice Over Cursor / Mouse Pointer
Lee, I too am slightly confused about this, especially using the Mouse cusor. From my understanding they Keyboard cursor is what you use to move around the screen with the keyboard. The VO cursor by default is already with the keyboard cursor. If the VO cursor moves, it will announce what it is. So in a way for a sighted person, if you use a mouse you see the arrow, and move it around, it don't select anything. But if you have the VO cursor snapped to the mouse it will announce anything the mouse pointer moves over. That is same as keyboard cursor. So if you tell the VO cursor to stay there, you will not hear anything when you navigate throughout the screen. For example if you are doing instant messageing. You can snap the VO cursor to the last message. Then you type you can type without the VO moving, so in that way you can get an ongoing conversation instead of having to press VO j to jump back n forth. As for the mouse cursor, I have not yet seen the advantage of it yet. So hopefully someone can comment on that. Daniel Hawkins - Posted from my Macbook Pro iPhone 4S, 16GB, Jailbroken IOS 7.0.4 iPad 2nd Gen, 32gb iPhone 3gs 8gb, as media player 2012 15in. Macbook Pro 2.3 Quad-core i7, Turbo to 3.3Ghz 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 500GB HDD Dual Boot: Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit NVDA installed Phonak Compilot On Jan 24, 2014, at 7:40 PM, Lee Jones leejones...@sky.com wrote: Dear List I don't understand the difference between keyboard focus and voice over cursor. What can you do with one that you can't do withthe the other? Do people find mouse keys useful? There are shortcuts for mouse up mouse down, double click etc but I am not sure what they would be used for. In setttings is it best to have keyboard focus vo cursor and mouse pointer following each other or moving separately? I am running mavericks. Many Thanks, Lee -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Keyboard Focus / Voice Over Cursor / Mouse Pointer
Hello Lee, The keyboard focus is the position of the insertion point, which is shown on the screen as a tiny line between two characters. This is where your text will start if you begin typing. The VoiceOver cursor is shown as a box around an area on the screen and you can change its size in the VoiceOver utility. Normally the keyboard focus and the VoiceOver cursor are tied together so that VoiceOver tells you where you can enter information, but in a chat, you want to be able to read what the other person has written without moving the insertion point from the field where you type your reply, so you turn cursor tracking off. In general, we don’t need to worry about the mouse cursor, but some operations require the mouse to be on a specific element, in which case, you can bring the mouse cursor to the VO cursor with VO-Cmd-F5 if you don’t have the mouse cursor tied to the other cursors already. I prefer not to have my mouse cursor tied to the other cursors as I find it can cause some irritating jumping around. Mouse keys allows you to pilot the mouse using either the numpad or the letter keys on the righthand side of the keyboard. In VoiceOver utility, you can tell VO to speak the text under the mouse with no delay so that you can hear where your mouse pointer is. Moving the mouse pointer in this way can make some elements accessible which the VoiceOver cursor can’t reach. Cheers, Anne On 25 Jan 2014, at 02:40, Lee Jones leejones...@sky.com wrote: Dear List I don’t understand the difference between keyboard focus and voice over cursor. What can you do with one that you can’t do withthe the other? Do people find mouse keys useful? There are shortcuts for mouse up mouse down, double click etc but I am not sure what they would be used for. In setttings is it best to have keyboard focus vo cursor and mouse pointer following each other or moving separately? I am running mavericks. Many Thanks, Lee -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
