Re: Mail classic view in Catalina

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hello,

yes, it feels like classic layout, kind of. But actually it’s more like a 
mixture of classic and conversation layout. I’d rather have the old clasic 
layout back. ;-)

Jürgen


> Am 13.10.2019 um 22:51 schrieb Jonathan Cohn :
> 
> I have started to read the ArzTechnica review of Catalina as an activity for 
> preparing to upgrade. In the section on the Mail Application I found the 
> following:
> 
> ...The sole visual change only applies if you use the Classic layout, which 
> normally condenses your list of messages and displays the current message 
> below the list rather than to the right; you can now use the condensed 
> message list view and keep the message pane on the right. Since you can't 
> update something called the "Classic layout" and keep calling it the "Classic 
> layout," the setting has moved from the Preferences screen to the View menu; 
> check Use Column Layout to condense the message list, and uncheck Show Side 
> Preview to get back to the classic-classic layout….
> 
> I know there are some on this list who enjoy Classic layout, so perhaps this 
> will be of use.
> 
> 
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Re: Mail classic view in Catalina

[Tim M]

Now they are sounding like Microsoft windows renaming classic view to something 
else because it is a classic view?
How about we fix the bugs before release, and what version of bugs is this one 
fixing? Because I still see bugs from elCapiton voiceover don’t see but the 
sighted do.


> On Oct 13, 2019, at 5:15 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I am currently on ~page 10 of I believe 15 of this review. The page I am 
> currently on is:
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/10/macos-10-15-catalina-the-ars-technica-review/11/
>  
> 
> 
> This page is discussing the changes to the APFS file systems in Catalina, 
> including making all system files read only. I believe you had asked about 
> that. It appears from what I have read so far, that iCloud is still managed 
> the same way within the Library directory. The only mention I found was about 
> the new Podcast support where Andrew provided a specific path to where to 
> find you’re Podcasts.
> Best Wishes,
> Jonathan
> 
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2019, at 5:10 PM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jonathan!
>> It certanly will.
>> Where do you read this review?
>> I would be very intrested to take a look at it.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 13 okt. 2019 kl. 22:51 skrev Jonathan Cohn >> >:
>>> 
>>> I have started to read the ArzTechnica review of Catalina as an activity 
>>> for preparing to upgrade. In the section on the Mail Application I found 
>>> the following:
>>> 
>>> ...The sole visual change only applies if you use the Classic layout, which 
>>> normally condenses your list of messages and displays the current message 
>>> below the list rather than to the right; you can now use the condensed 
>>> message list view and keep the message pane on the right. Since you can't 
>>> update something called the "Classic layout" and keep calling it the 
>>> "Classic layout," the setting has moved from the Preferences screen to the 
>>> View menu; check Use Column Layout to condense the message list, and 
>>> uncheck Show Side Preview to get back to the classic-classic layout….
>>> 
>>> I know there are some on this list who enjoy Classic layout, so perhaps 
>>> this will be of use.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Mail classic view in Catalina

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,

I am currently on ~page 10 of I believe 15 of this review. The page I am 
currently on is:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/10/macos-10-15-catalina-the-ars-technica-review/11/
 


This page is discussing the changes to the APFS file systems in Catalina, 
including making all system files read only. I believe you had asked about 
that. It appears from what I have read so far, that iCloud is still managed the 
same way within the Library directory. The only mention I found was about the 
new Podcast support where Andrew provided a specific path to where to find 
you’re Podcasts.
Best Wishes,
Jonathan


> On Oct 13, 2019, at 5:10 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan!
> It certanly will.
> Where do you read this review?
> I would be very intrested to take a look at it.
> /A
> 
>> 13 okt. 2019 kl. 22:51 skrev Jonathan Cohn :
>> 
>> I have started to read the ArzTechnica review of Catalina as an activity for 
>> preparing to upgrade. In the section on the Mail Application I found the 
>> following:
>> 
>> ...The sole visual change only applies if you use the Classic layout, which 
>> normally condenses your list of messages and displays the current message 
>> below the list rather than to the right; you can now use the condensed 
>> message list view and keep the message pane on the right. Since you can't 
>> update something called the "Classic layout" and keep calling it the 
>> "Classic layout," the setting has moved from the Preferences screen to the 
>> View menu; check Use Column Layout to condense the message list, and uncheck 
>> Show Side Preview to get back to the classic-classic layout….
>> 
>> I know there are some on this list who enjoy Classic layout, so perhaps this 
>> will be of use.
>> 
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Re: Mail classic view in Catalina

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi Jonathan!
It certanly will.
Where do you read this review?
I would be very intrested to take a look at it.
/A

> 13 okt. 2019 kl. 22:51 skrev Jonathan Cohn :
> 
> I have started to read the ArzTechnica review of Catalina as an activity for 
> preparing to upgrade. In the section on the Mail Application I found the 
> following:
> 
> ...The sole visual change only applies if you use the Classic layout, which 
> normally condenses your list of messages and displays the current message 
> below the list rather than to the right; you can now use the condensed 
> message list view and keep the message pane on the right. Since you can't 
> update something called the "Classic layout" and keep calling it the "Classic 
> layout," the setting has moved from the Preferences screen to the View menu; 
> check Use Column Layout to condense the message list, and uncheck Show Side 
> Preview to get back to the classic-classic layout….
> 
> I know there are some on this list who enjoy Classic layout, so perhaps this 
> will be of use.
> 
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Re: Mail classic view in Catalina

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks for this, Jonathan.  Not sure when I'm going to upgrade - I'll probably 
wait till they get some of the bugs worked out.  But I'm glad to know there's a 
way to continue using Classic View.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Oct 13, 2019, at 3:54 PM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
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> Very much of use from my point of view and thanks for posting.
> 
> 
>> On 14 Oct 2019, at 7:51 am, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> I have started to read the ArzTechnica review of Catalina as an activity for 
>> preparing to upgrade. In the section on the Mail Application I found the 
>> following:
>> 
>> ...The sole visual change only applies if you use the Classic layout, which 
>> normally condenses your list of messages and displays the current message 
>> below the list rather than to the right; you can now use the condensed 
>> message list view and keep the message pane on the right. Since you can't 
>> update something called the "Classic layout" and keep calling it the 
>> "Classic layout," the setting has moved from the Preferences screen to the 
>> View menu; check Use Column Layout to condense the message list, and uncheck 
>> Show Side Preview to get back to the classic-classic layout….
>> 
>> I know there are some on this list who enjoy Classic layout, so perhaps this 
>> will be of use.
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Re: Mail classic view in Catalina

[Dane Trethowan]

Very much of use from my point of view and thanks for posting.


> On 14 Oct 2019, at 7:51 am, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I have started to read the ArzTechnica review of Catalina as an activity for 
> preparing to upgrade. In the section on the Mail Application I found the 
> following:
> 
> ...The sole visual change only applies if you use the Classic layout, which 
> normally condenses your list of messages and displays the current message 
> below the list rather than to the right; you can now use the condensed 
> message list view and keep the message pane on the right. Since you can't 
> update something called the "Classic layout" and keep calling it the "Classic 
> layout," the setting has moved from the Preferences screen to the View menu; 
> check Use Column Layout to condense the message list, and uncheck Show Side 
> Preview to get back to the classic-classic layout….
> 
> I know there are some on this list who enjoy Classic layout, so perhaps this 
> will be of use.
> 
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Mail classic view in Catalina

[Jonathan Cohn]

 I have started to read the ArzTechnica review of Catalina as an activity for 
preparing to upgrade. In the section on the Mail Application I found the 
following:

...The sole visual change only applies if you use the Classic layout, which 
normally condenses your list of messages and displays the current message below 
the list rather than to the right; you can now use the condensed message list 
view and keep the message pane on the right. Since you can't update something 
called the "Classic layout" and keep calling it the "Classic layout," the 
setting has moved from the Preferences screen to the View menu; check Use 
Column Layout to condense the message list, and uncheck Show Side Preview to 
get back to the classic-classic layout….

I know there are some on this list who enjoy Classic layout, so perhaps this 
will be of use.

 

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Re: Mail classic view

[Chris Moore]

Yes I have seen this too, and it happens in standard view also.  I think it has 
something to do with Mail sorting the items into newest first, previously the 
oldest message would appear first. I have reported this to Apple, I suggest you 
do the same.
On 1 Aug 2011, at 06:52, Shen wrote:

> Hi,
> Wondering if anyone has seen this. You probably have to have your Mail setup 
> the same as mine to see this behavior. I have my Mail set to classic view, 
> and group messages by conversation.
> I generally put VoiceOver on the subject line since I don't really need to 
> know who is sending the emails.
> OK, so I arrow to a conversation. I arrow left once to hear the sender. Now 
> let's say I arrow up or down away from that conversation, then decided to go 
> back. This time, a different name is in the from field.
> I have not opened the conversation ahd have not read any messages in this 
> conversation. Yet, the second time when I see the sender, it is different 
> from the first time.
> I can't pinpoint any particular pattern. But it seems to be happening 
> randomly.
> Has anyone seen this behavior?
> 
> 
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Mail classic view

[Shen]

Hi,
Wondering if anyone has seen this. You probably have to have your Mail setup 
the same as mine to see this behavior. I have my Mail set to classic view, and 
group messages by conversation.
I generally put VoiceOver on the subject line since I don't really need to know 
who is sending the emails.
OK, so I arrow to a conversation. I arrow left once to hear the sender. Now 
let's say I arrow up or down away from that conversation, then decided to go 
back. This time, a different name is in the from field.
I have not opened the conversation ahd have not read any messages in this 
conversation. Yet, the second time when I see the sender, it is different from 
the first time.
I can't pinpoint any particular pattern. But it seems to be happening randomly.
Has anyone seen this behavior?



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