Re: Mavericks available now

2013-10-23 Thread ramy moustafa
Waaw great news
Can i do the upgrade alone  or i need sited assistance
And how can i upgrade from ml?
I have a bootcamp will it be affected 
. Thanks so much 

Ramy moustafa saber
licturer at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 23, 2013, at 6:07 AM, CJ Daniel cj.bear.dan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Mike,
 
 Normally, I follow the same practice.  However, this time, I just went for it 
 in the first hour.  And, while it is early-days still, I’m not having any 
 problems.  I’m keeping my fingers crossed that this continues.
 
 CJ
 
 
 On Oct 22, 2013, at 6:00 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:
 
 That's why I prefer to wait until at least the first major update.
 On Oct 22, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 thanks for that.
 i just don't want to update the OS to find it so buggy that i can't use it.
 On 23/10/2013, at 7:23 AM, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Michael,
 
 It's still downloading and I haven't found any early podcasts yet, so I'm 
 still waiting to see - I'll let you know what I find.
 
 Ed
 On 22 Oct 2013, at 21:15, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 hey,
 any changes or improvements to VO with the new OS?
 On 23/10/2013, at 6:07 AM, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Subject line says it all.
 
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Re: Mavericks available now

2013-10-23 Thread Krister Ekstrom

22 okt 2013 kl. 22:35 skrev Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com:

 i just don't want to update the OS to find it so buggy that i can't use it.

And when has that ever happened on the Mac? This ain't windows, ya know. I have 
had a Mac since 2008 and i've never ever seen an unusable OS.
/Krister

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Re: Mavericks available now

2013-10-23 Thread Alex Hall
Yep, you can upgrade independently (yay Apple!) Just go to the App Store, find 
and download Maverix, and follow the instructions. The download is over 5gb, so 
have a solid internet connection and some time to kill. Your Bootcamp should 
not be affected at all, though it is always, always, always strongly 
recommended that you make a backup of important files just in case. Personally, 
I just went ahead and dug up an old USB hard drive, then used Time Machine to 
copy my Mac's hard drive. Now, if something goes terribly wrong (it sholdn't, 
but if it does) I have a complete backup and can be up and running in no time. 
A full backup also gives you the option of doing a clean install, though I am 
not sure exactly how that works.
On Oct 23, 2013, at 4:47 AM, ramy moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com wrote:

 Waaw great news
 Can i do the upgrade alone  or i need sited assistance
 And how can i upgrade from ml?
 I have a bootcamp will it be affected 
 . Thanks so much 
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 6:07 AM, CJ Daniel cj.bear.dan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Mike,
 
 Normally, I follow the same practice.  However, this time, I just went for 
 it in the first hour.  And, while it is early-days still, I’m not having any 
 problems.  I’m keeping my fingers crossed that this continues.
 
 CJ
 
 
 On Oct 22, 2013, at 6:00 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:
 
 That's why I prefer to wait until at least the first major update.
 On Oct 22, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 thanks for that.
 i just don't want to update the OS to find it so buggy that i can't use it.
 On 23/10/2013, at 7:23 AM, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Michael,
 
 It's still downloading and I haven't found any early podcasts yet, so I'm 
 still waiting to see - I'll let you know what I find.
 
 Ed
 On 22 Oct 2013, at 21:15, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 hey,
 any changes or improvements to VO with the new OS?
 On 23/10/2013, at 6:07 AM, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
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Re: Mavericks available now

2013-10-23 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

I also keep a copy of the installation file around.  After the OS is finished 
downloading, you will have an app in your app folder called something like 
Install OS X Mavericks.  I usually take this and save it on an external drive.  

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Oct 23, 2013, at 9:16 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yep, you can upgrade independently (yay Apple!) Just go to the App Store, 
 find and download Maverix, and follow the instructions. The download is over 
 5gb, so have a solid internet connection and some time to kill. Your Bootcamp 
 should not be affected at all, though it is always, always, always strongly 
 recommended that you make a backup of important files just in case. 
 Personally, I just went ahead and dug up an old USB hard drive, then used 
 Time Machine to copy my Mac's hard drive. Now, if something goes terribly 
 wrong (it sholdn't, but if it does) I have a complete backup and can be up 
 and running in no time. A full backup also gives you the option of doing a 
 clean install, though I am not sure exactly how that works.
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 4:47 AM, ramy moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Waaw great news
 Can i do the upgrade alone  or i need sited assistance
 And how can i upgrade from ml?
 I have a bootcamp will it be affected 
 . Thanks so much 
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 6:07 AM, CJ Daniel cj.bear.dan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Mike,
 
 Normally, I follow the same practice.  However, this time, I just went for 
 it in the first hour.  And, while it is early-days still, I’m not having 
 any problems.  I’m keeping my fingers crossed that this continues.
 
 CJ
 
 
 On Oct 22, 2013, at 6:00 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:
 
 That's why I prefer to wait until at least the first major update.
 On Oct 22, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 thanks for that.
 i just don't want to update the OS to find it so buggy that i can't use 
 it.
 On 23/10/2013, at 7:23 AM, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Michael,
 
 It's still downloading and I haven't found any early podcasts yet, so 
 I'm still waiting to see - I'll let you know what I find.
 
 Ed
 On 22 Oct 2013, at 21:15, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 hey,
 any changes or improvements to VO with the new OS?
 On 23/10/2013, at 6:07 AM, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Subject line says it all.
 
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Re: Mavericks available now

2013-10-23 Thread erik burggraaf
Wrong, your bootcamp part may in deed be impacted.  Upgrading mac OS will cause 
bootcamp and it's associated windows drivers to be updated.  If this happens, 
windows may decide you have installed on a new computer and deactivate itself.  
This happens to my clients occasionally.  Use magical jellybean keyfinder to 
retrieve and back up your windows product key and make sure that you have an 
activation count left on your windows.  Also, if you are running a screen 
reader such as jaws for windows that uses hardware activation, make sure you 
have it's registration nailed down as well.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
Ebony Consulting will close it's doors for good on december 20th.  Thanks to 
everyone who contributed to the past four years of success for my little 
consulting business.  It means a lot to me.
Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

On 2013-10-23, at 9:24 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I also keep a copy of the installation file around.  After the OS is finished 
 downloading, you will have an app in your app folder called something like 
 Install OS X Mavericks.  I usually take this and save it on an external 
 drive.  
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 9:16 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yep, you can upgrade independently (yay Apple!) Just go to the App Store, 
 find and download Maverix, and follow the instructions. The download is over 
 5gb, so have a solid internet connection and some time to kill. Your 
 Bootcamp should not be affected at all, though it is always, always, always 
 strongly recommended that you make a backup of important files just in case. 
 Personally, I just went ahead and dug up an old USB hard drive, then used 
 Time Machine to copy my Mac's hard drive. Now, if something goes terribly 
 wrong (it sholdn't, but if it does) I have a complete backup and can be up 
 and running in no time. A full backup also gives you the option of doing a 
 clean install, though I am not sure exactly how that works.
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 4:47 AM, ramy moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Waaw great news
 Can i do the upgrade alone  or i need sited assistance
 And how can i upgrade from ml?
 I have a bootcamp will it be affected 
 . Thanks so much 
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 6:07 AM, CJ Daniel cj.bear.dan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Mike,
 
 Normally, I follow the same practice.  However, this time, I just went for 
 it in the first hour.  And, while it is early-days still, I’m not having 
 any problems.  I’m keeping my fingers crossed that this continues.
 
 CJ
 
 
 On Oct 22, 2013, at 6:00 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:
 
 That's why I prefer to wait until at least the first major update.
 On Oct 22, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Michael Marshall 
 mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 thanks for that.
 i just don't want to update the OS to find it so buggy that i can't use 
 it.
 On 23/10/2013, at 7:23 AM, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Michael,
 
 It's still downloading and I haven't found any early podcasts yet, so 
 I'm still waiting to see - I'll let you know what I find.
 
 Ed
 On 22 Oct 2013, at 21:15, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 hey,
 any changes or improvements to VO with the new OS?
 On 23/10/2013, at 6:07 AM, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Subject line says it all.
 
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Re: Mavericks available now

2013-10-23 Thread Alex Hall
You are right, of course, my apologies! Yet another reason to prefer  VM 
solution, though similar problems, particularly where Jaws is concerned, can 
still happen there as well. Using NVDA solves that, though - NVDA is a free 
screen reader with no activations or licenses to worry about.
On Oct 23, 2013, at 10:16 AM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote:

 Wrong, your bootcamp part may in deed be impacted.  Upgrading mac OS will 
 cause bootcamp and it's associated windows drivers to be updated.  If this 
 happens, windows may decide you have installed on a new computer and 
 deactivate itself.  This happens to my clients occasionally.  Use magical 
 jellybean keyfinder to retrieve and back up your windows product key and make 
 sure that you have an activation count left on your windows.  Also, if you 
 are running a screen reader such as jaws for windows that uses hardware 
 activation, make sure you have it's registration nailed down as well.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 Ebony Consulting will close it's doors for good on december 20th.  Thanks to 
 everyone who contributed to the past four years of success for my little 
 consulting business.  It means a lot to me.
 Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
 
 On 2013-10-23, at 9:24 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I also keep a copy of the installation file around.  After the OS is 
 finished downloading, you will have an app in your app folder called 
 something like Install OS X Mavericks.  I usually take this and save it on 
 an external drive.  
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 9:16 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yep, you can upgrade independently (yay Apple!) Just go to the App Store, 
 find and download Maverix, and follow the instructions. The download is 
 over 5gb, so have a solid internet connection and some time to kill. Your 
 Bootcamp should not be affected at all, though it is always, always, always 
 strongly recommended that you make a backup of important files just in 
 case. Personally, I just went ahead and dug up an old USB hard drive, then 
 used Time Machine to copy my Mac's hard drive. Now, if something goes 
 terribly wrong (it sholdn't, but if it does) I have a complete backup and 
 can be up and running in no time. A full backup also gives you the option 
 of doing a clean install, though I am not sure exactly how that works.
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 4:47 AM, ramy moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Waaw great news
 Can i do the upgrade alone  or i need sited assistance
 And how can i upgrade from ml?
 I have a bootcamp will it be affected 
 . Thanks so much 
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 6:07 AM, CJ Daniel cj.bear.dan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Mike,
 
 Normally, I follow the same practice.  However, this time, I just went 
 for it in the first hour.  And, while it is early-days still, I’m not 
 having any problems.  I’m keeping my fingers crossed that this continues.
 
 CJ
 
 
 On Oct 22, 2013, at 6:00 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:
 
 That's why I prefer to wait until at least the first major update.
 On Oct 22, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Michael Marshall 
 mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 thanks for that.
 i just don't want to update the OS to find it so buggy that i can't use 
 it.
 On 23/10/2013, at 7:23 AM, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Michael,
 
 It's still downloading and I haven't found any early podcasts yet, so 
 I'm still waiting to see - I'll let you know what I find.
 
 Ed
 On 22 Oct 2013, at 21:15, Michael Marshall 
 mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 hey,
 any changes or improvements to VO with the new OS?
 On 23/10/2013, at 6:07 AM, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Subject line says it all.
 
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Re: Mavericks available now

2013-10-23 Thread Mary Otten
I have never heard of this magical jellybean key finder. Eric, could you give a 
little bit more information? I do have a boot camp partition, and I would 
certainly not like to lose it. Thanks.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 23, 2013, at 7:16 AM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote:

 Wrong, your bootcamp part may in deed be impacted.  Upgrading mac OS will 
 cause bootcamp and it's associated windows drivers to be updated.  If this 
 happens, windows may decide you have installed on a new computer and 
 deactivate itself.  This happens to my clients occasionally.  Use magical 
 jellybean keyfinder to retrieve and back up your windows product key and make 
 sure that you have an activation count left on your windows.  Also, if you 
 are running a screen reader such as jaws for windows that uses hardware 
 activation, make sure you have it's registration nailed down as well.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 Ebony Consulting will close it's doors for good on december 20th.  Thanks to 
 everyone who contributed to the past four years of success for my little 
 consulting business.  It means a lot to me.
 Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
 
 On 2013-10-23, at 9:24 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I also keep a copy of the installation file around.  After the OS is 
 finished downloading, you will have an app in your app folder called 
 something like Install OS X Mavericks.  I usually take this and save it on 
 an external drive.  
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 9:16 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yep, you can upgrade independently (yay Apple!) Just go to the App Store, 
 find and download Maverix, and follow the instructions. The download is 
 over 5gb, so have a solid internet connection and some time to kill. Your 
 Bootcamp should not be affected at all, though it is always, always, always 
 strongly recommended that you make a backup of important files just in 
 case. Personally, I just went ahead and dug up an old USB hard drive, then 
 used Time Machine to copy my Mac's hard drive. Now, if something goes 
 terribly wrong (it sholdn't, but if it does) I have a complete backup and 
 can be up and running in no time. A full backup also gives you the option 
 of doing a clean install, though I am not sure exactly how that works.
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 4:47 AM, ramy moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Waaw great news
 Can i do the upgrade alone  or i need sited assistance
 And how can i upgrade from ml?
 I have a bootcamp will it be affected 
 . Thanks so much 
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 6:07 AM, CJ Daniel cj.bear.dan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Mike,
 
 Normally, I follow the same practice.  However, this time, I just went 
 for it in the first hour.  And, while it is early-days still, I’m not 
 having any problems.  I’m keeping my fingers crossed that this continues.
 
 CJ
 
 
 On Oct 22, 2013, at 6:00 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:
 
 That's why I prefer to wait until at least the first major update.
 On Oct 22, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Michael Marshall 
 mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 thanks for that.
 i just don't want to update the OS to find it so buggy that i can't use 
 it.
 On 23/10/2013, at 7:23 AM, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Michael,
 
 It's still downloading and I haven't found any early podcasts yet, so 
 I'm still waiting to see - I'll let you know what I find.
 
 Ed
 On 22 Oct 2013, at 21:15, Michael Marshall 
 mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 hey,
 any changes or improvements to VO with the new OS?
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Re: Mavericks available now

2013-10-23 Thread erik burggraaf
I agree.  The idea of buying a mac and then throwing jaws at it makes me 
cringe.  I honestly think nvda is the best thing going right now for consumer 
level windows use and even in some corporate situations it performs very well.  
There's really less and less reason all the time to be using a jaws or a 
window-eyes, but people will be people, and I just wanted to be sure I covered 
all the bases.

Have fun,

Erik Burggraaf
Ebony Consulting will close it's doors for good on december 20th.  Thanks to 
everyone who contributed to the past four years of success for my little 
consulting business.  It means a lot to me.
Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

On 2013-10-23, at 10:14 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 You are right, of course, my apologies! Yet another reason to prefer  VM 
 solution, though similar problems, particularly where Jaws is concerned, can 
 still happen there as well. Using NVDA solves that, though - NVDA is a free 
 screen reader with no activations or licenses to worry about.
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 10:16 AM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote:
 
 Wrong, your bootcamp part may in deed be impacted.  Upgrading mac OS will 
 cause bootcamp and it's associated windows drivers to be updated.  If this 
 happens, windows may decide you have installed on a new computer and 
 deactivate itself.  This happens to my clients occasionally.  Use magical 
 jellybean keyfinder to retrieve and back up your windows product key and 
 make sure that you have an activation count left on your windows.  Also, if 
 you are running a screen reader such as jaws for windows that uses hardware 
 activation, make sure you have it's registration nailed down as well.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 Ebony Consulting will close it's doors for good on december 20th.  Thanks to 
 everyone who contributed to the past four years of success for my little 
 consulting business.  It means a lot to me.
 Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
 
 On 2013-10-23, at 9:24 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I also keep a copy of the installation file around.  After the OS is 
 finished downloading, you will have an app in your app folder called 
 something like Install OS X Mavericks.  I usually take this and save it on 
 an external drive.  
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 9:16 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yep, you can upgrade independently (yay Apple!) Just go to the App Store, 
 find and download Maverix, and follow the instructions. The download is 
 over 5gb, so have a solid internet connection and some time to kill. Your 
 Bootcamp should not be affected at all, though it is always, always, 
 always strongly recommended that you make a backup of important files just 
 in case. Personally, I just went ahead and dug up an old USB hard drive, 
 then used Time Machine to copy my Mac's hard drive. Now, if something goes 
 terribly wrong (it sholdn't, but if it does) I have a complete backup and 
 can be up and running in no time. A full backup also gives you the option 
 of doing a clean install, though I am not sure exactly how that works.
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 4:47 AM, ramy moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Waaw great news
 Can i do the upgrade alone  or i need sited assistance
 And how can i upgrade from ml?
 I have a bootcamp will it be affected 
 . Thanks so much 
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 6:07 AM, CJ Daniel cj.bear.dan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Mike,
 
 Normally, I follow the same practice.  However, this time, I just went 
 for it in the first hour.  And, while it is early-days still, I’m not 
 having any problems.  I’m keeping my fingers crossed that this continues.
 
 CJ
 
 
 On Oct 22, 2013, at 6:00 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:
 
 That's why I prefer to wait until at least the first major update.
 On Oct 22, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Michael Marshall 
 mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 thanks for that.
 i just don't want to update the OS to find it so buggy that i can't 
 use it.
 On 23/10/2013, at 7:23 AM, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Michael,
 
 It's still downloading and I haven't found any early podcasts yet, so 
 I'm still waiting to see - I'll let you know what I find.
 
 Ed
 On 22 Oct 2013, at 21:15, Michael Marshall 
 mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 hey,
 any changes or improvements to VO with the new OS?
 On 23/10/2013, at 6:07 AM, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
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Re: Mavericks available now

2013-10-23 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
And the best reason for going to the Mac is free operating system!

Sent from my I phone

 On 23 Oct 2013, at 03:23 pm, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote:
 
 I agree.  The idea of buying a mac and then throwing jaws at it makes me 
 cringe.  I honestly think nvda is the best thing going right now for consumer 
 level windows use and even in some corporate situations it performs very 
 well.  There's really less and less reason all the time to be using a jaws or 
 a window-eyes, but people will be people, and I just wanted to be sure I 
 covered all the bases.
 
 Have fun,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 Ebony Consulting will close it's doors for good on december 20th.  Thanks to 
 everyone who contributed to the past four years of success for my little 
 consulting business.  It means a lot to me.
 Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
 
 On 2013-10-23, at 10:14 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You are right, of course, my apologies! Yet another reason to prefer  VM 
 solution, though similar problems, particularly where Jaws is concerned, can 
 still happen there as well. Using NVDA solves that, though - NVDA is a free 
 screen reader with no activations or licenses to worry about.
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 10:16 AM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com 
 wrote:
 
 Wrong, your bootcamp part may in deed be impacted.  Upgrading mac OS will 
 cause bootcamp and it's associated windows drivers to be updated.  If this 
 happens, windows may decide you have installed on a new computer and 
 deactivate itself.  This happens to my clients occasionally.  Use magical 
 jellybean keyfinder to retrieve and back up your windows product key and 
 make sure that you have an activation count left on your windows.  Also, if 
 you are running a screen reader such as jaws for windows that uses hardware 
 activation, make sure you have it's registration nailed down as well.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 Ebony Consulting will close it's doors for good on december 20th.  Thanks 
 to everyone who contributed to the past four years of success for my little 
 consulting business.  It means a lot to me.
 Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
 
 On 2013-10-23, at 9:24 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I also keep a copy of the installation file around.  After the OS is 
 finished downloading, you will have an app in your app folder called 
 something like Install OS X Mavericks.  I usually take this and save it on 
 an external drive.  
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 9:16 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yep, you can upgrade independently (yay Apple!) Just go to the App Store, 
 find and download Maverix, and follow the instructions. The download is 
 over 5gb, so have a solid internet connection and some time to kill. Your 
 Bootcamp should not be affected at all, though it is always, always, 
 always strongly recommended that you make a backup of important files 
 just in case. Personally, I just went ahead and dug up an old USB hard 
 drive, then used Time Machine to copy my Mac's hard drive. Now, if 
 something goes terribly wrong (it sholdn't, but if it does) I have a 
 complete backup and can be up and running in no time. A full backup also 
 gives you the option of doing a clean install, though I am not sure 
 exactly how that works.
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 4:47 AM, ramy moustafa moshtaqlealga...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Waaw great news
 Can i do the upgrade alone  or i need sited assistance
 And how can i upgrade from ml?
 I have a bootcamp will it be affected 
 . Thanks so much 
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
 licturer at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 23, 2013, at 6:07 AM, CJ Daniel cj.bear.dan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Mike,
 
 Normally, I follow the same practice.  However, this time, I just went 
 for it in the first hour.  And, while it is early-days still, I’m not 
 having any problems.  I’m keeping my fingers crossed that this 
 continues.
 
 CJ
 
 
 On Oct 22, 2013, at 6:00 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:
 
 That's why I prefer to wait until at least the first major update.
 On Oct 22, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Michael Marshall 
 mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 thanks for that.
 i just don't want to update the OS to find it so buggy that i can't 
 use it.
 On 23/10/2013, at 7:23 AM, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Michael,
 
 It's still downloading and I haven't found any early podcasts yet, 
 so I'm still waiting to see - I'll let you know what I find.
 
 Ed
 On 22 Oct 2013, at 21:15, Michael Marshall 
 mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 hey,
 any changes or improvements to VO with the new OS?
 On 23/10/2013, at 6:07 AM, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Subject line says it all.
 
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Re: Mavericks available now

2013-10-23 Thread BBS
Eric, can this also happen on a VM of Windows? As I’ve stated before, after 
upgrading to Mavericks, I went on to Windows, and I can’t get an internet 
connection.

Shawn
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Re: Mavericks available now

2013-10-23 Thread erik burggraaf
Well, theoretically it could, but this is more likely an issue with either a 
driver or if you are virtualizing with fusion, a bad network setting.  You 
could download the latest bootcamp drivers for mavericks and install them.  
Change your vmware fusion network setting to bridged mode and configure the 
network manually within windows.  That's all I've got off the top of My head.  
I missed the original problem report because I just don't have time to go 
through and read the entire list properly, but if you want to write me off list 
and let me know how these steps work out, I will try to be more help if they 
should fail.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
Ebony Consulting will close it's doors for good on december 20th.  Thanks to 
everyone who contributed to the past four years of success for my little 
consulting business.  It means a lot to me.
Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

On 2013-10-23, at 10:50 AM, BBS bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote:

 Eric, can this also happen on a VM of Windows? As I’ve stated before, after 
 upgrading to Mavericks, I went on to Windows, and I can’t get an internet 
 connection.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White Mac Book
 
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Re: Mavericks available now

2013-10-23 Thread BBS
Hmmm. I don’t really want to mess around with Bootcamp. I guess an alternate 
solution would be to reinstall XP on this thing which is gonna be a pain in the 
A** to do. I hope it’s not a VMWare problem because, like I said before, a 
friend told me that if I wanted Fusion 6, more ram is needed to run Windows 
properly and I can only put 4 gigs of ram on this MacBook so that isn’t an 
option. I guess I could just scrap Windows altogether but I need it for any 
jobs I receive in the future. Decisions decisions.

Shawn
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Re: Mavericks available now

2013-10-23 Thread erik burggraaf
Hi Shawn,

I think you're getting confused between bootcamp and the bootcamp drivers.  
They're basically two sides of the same coin.  You don't need a bootcamp 
partition to install the bootcamp drivers.  In fact, although fusion provides 
drivers that are adequate for practical purposes, you should get much better 
mileage out of your windows vm by installing the bootcamp drivers.  That was my 
experience anyhow on my first macbook.

Hope this helps,

Erik Burggraaf
Ebony Consulting will close it's doors for good on december 20th.  Thanks to 
everyone who contributed to the past four years of success for my little 
consulting business.  It means a lot to me.
Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

On 2013-10-23, at 12:47 PM, BBS bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote:

 Hmmm. I don’t really want to mess around with Bootcamp. I guess an alternate 
 solution would be to reinstall XP on this thing which is gonna be a pain in 
 the A** to do. I hope it’s not a VMWare problem because, like I said before, 
 a friend told me that if I wanted Fusion 6, more ram is needed to run Windows 
 properly and I can only put 4 gigs of ram on this MacBook so that isn’t an 
 option. I guess I could just scrap Windows altogether but I need it for any 
 jobs I receive in the future. Decisions decisions.
 
 Shawn
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Re: Mavericks available now

2013-10-23 Thread BBS
Hi Eric. How do you install that driver then? I’m gonna try to restart my 
router to see if it makes a difference. It kinda doesn’t make sense though if 
that is the case because my Mac can connect to the internet just fine.

Shawn
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Mavericks available now

2013-10-22 Thread Edward Green
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Re: Mavericks available now

2013-10-22 Thread Michael Marshall
hey,
any changes or improvements to VO with the new OS?
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Re: Mavericks available now

2013-10-22 Thread Mike Arrigo
Is it a free or paid upgrade? I will be curious to know how it works, 
but think I will wait until at least the first update in case there are 
any major bugs.

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Re: Mavericks available now

2013-10-22 Thread Edward Green
It's free.

Ed
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 think I will wait until at least the first update in case there are any major 
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Re: Mavericks available now

2013-10-22 Thread Edward Green
Hi Michael,

It's still downloading and I haven't found any early podcasts yet, so I'm still 
waiting to see - I'll let you know what I find.

Ed
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Re: Mavericks available now

2013-10-22 Thread Michael Marshall
thanks for that.
i just don't want to update the OS to find it so buggy that i can't use it.
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 It's still downloading and I haven't found any early podcasts yet, so I'm 
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 Ed
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Re: Mavericks available now

2013-10-22 Thread Mike Arrigo
I guess it's free to all those who have purchased mountain lion. Hopefully you 
can still do a clean install, I prefer to start from scratch any time there is 
a major new version of the operating system.
On Oct 22, 2013, at 3:21 PM, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's free.
 
 Ed
 On 22 Oct 2013, at 21:19, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:
 
 Is it a free or paid upgrade? I will be curious to know how it works, but 
 think I will wait until at least the first update in case there are any 
 major bugs.
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Re: Mavericks available now

2013-10-22 Thread Mike Arrigo
That's why I prefer to wait until at least the first major update.
On Oct 22, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote:

 thanks for that.
 i just don't want to update the OS to find it so buggy that i can't use it.
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 Hi Michael,
 
 It's still downloading and I haven't found any early podcasts yet, so I'm 
 still waiting to see - I'll let you know what I find.
 
 Ed
 On 22 Oct 2013, at 21:15, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 hey,
 any changes or improvements to VO with the new OS?
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Re: Mavericks available now

2013-10-22 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hello,

No.  Its free to pretty much anyone.  Going as far back as snow leopard.

Ricardo Walker
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On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:59 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:

 I guess it's free to all those who have purchased mountain lion. Hopefully 
 you can still do a clean install, I prefer to start from scratch any time 
 there is a major new version of the operating system.
 On Oct 22, 2013, at 3:21 PM, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It's free.
 
 Ed
 On 22 Oct 2013, at 21:19, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:
 
 Is it a free or paid upgrade? I will be curious to know how it works, but 
 think I will wait until at least the first update in case there are any 
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Re: Mavericks available now

2013-10-22 Thread CJ Daniel
Mike,

Normally, I follow the same practice.  However, this time, I just went for it 
in the first hour.  And, while it is early-days still, I’m not having any 
problems.  I’m keeping my fingers crossed that this continues.

CJ


On Oct 22, 2013, at 6:00 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:

 That's why I prefer to wait until at least the first major update.
 On Oct 22, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 thanks for that.
 i just don't want to update the OS to find it so buggy that i can't use it.
 On 23/10/2013, at 7:23 AM, Edward Green ergreen1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Michael,
 
 It's still downloading and I haven't found any early podcasts yet, so I'm 
 still waiting to see - I'll let you know what I find.
 
 Ed
 On 22 Oct 2013, at 21:15, Michael Marshall mightymaggie...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 hey,
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