RE: Mojave not workingg well for me

[Simon Fogarty]

What,
8gig ram isn’t enough,
Hell that’s news to me.

From: 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Saturday, 19 January 2019 4:40 AM
To: Mac Users Group 
Subject: Re: Mojave not workingg well for me

I have the same issue and I never saw anyone else with it until this E-Mail. I 
have a Mac mini from 2014 and it only has eight gigs of RAM. In my case, I have 
pretty much narrowed it down to not having enough memory. Don’t know exactly 
why VO is targeted, but I know memory is a problem for me. Unfortunately, I 
can’t upgrade to more memory. I am very angry at this fact.

When VO crashes for me, I do a command+shift+q and log out and then back in. 
Sometimes I have to do it a couple of times before VO will come back up.

Kristeen



On Jan 13, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Georgina Joyce 
mailto:g...@gena-j.me.uk>> wrote:

Hello All,

I have a Mac Mini 2013 with 16GB of RAM. All previous upgrades have gone well. 
However, just before Christmas I upgraded to Mojave and I keep having some kind 
of VoiceOver crash. I have reinstalled Mojave 3 times now. Each time it works 
well for a week or so. Then I get busy notices. I can leave it and it doesn't 
calm down. If I CMD + tab it crashes i.e. VoiceOver will not talk nor restart. 
When I try to restart although VO does not speak sound has not crashed as time 
announcements are announced as configured. I have set all voice output to 
Daniel. If I leave the machine for a while the same crash occurs. I can CMD + w 
and q in an attempt to close running applications. I can Eject + CTL and 
shutdown which works. It is something to do with VoiceOver but I haven't seen 
anyone else have the same issues. I have a Brailliant 40 display connected via 
USB which doesn't work during normal operation. However, it does during the 
install process.

I intended upon doing a fresh install last time but neglected to wipe the disk 
first.

How do I look through the logs to see what is going on? If a clean fresh 
install does not fix these issues. What other investigations can I undertake?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Gena

Call: M0EBP
Loc: IO83PS




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Re: Mojave not workingg well for me

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello Kristeen,

As far as the crashing is concerned I think my fresh clean install has fixed 
that. Did you just install over the previous version of Mac OS X? I’ve just 
noticed that in my security section of system prefs some startup program has 
been blocked and there’s a button to allow. As there is no indication of what 
it is it can stay as it is because if that is creating the problem it is better 
being blocked.

I also note that Mojave didn’t like the Software I installed for my Samsung 
phone. Nor did it like some Adobe flash program. So these are have been removed.

As for me, it has been pretty steady since I formatted the disk and used the 
migration assistant to restore from a time machine backup. My old brailliant 
doesn’t work, lucky I rely more on the speech output and need the braille when 
I’m mis-hearing things that VO won’t let me explore character by character.

Have you reported it to:

accessibil...@apple.com

It is really a drag when it is like that, I hope you find a solution.

All the best,

Gena
> On 18 Jan 2019, at 15:40, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have the same issue and I never saw anyone else with it until this E-Mail. 
> I have a Mac mini from 2014 and it only has eight gigs of RAM. In my case, I 
> have pretty much narrowed it down to not having enough memory. Don’t know 
> exactly why VO is targeted, but I know memory is a problem for me. 
> Unfortunately, I can’t upgrade to more memory. I am very angry at this fact.
> 
> When VO crashes for me, I do a command+shift+q and log out and then back in. 
> Sometimes I have to do it a couple of times before VO will come back up.
> 
> Kristeen
> 
> 
>> On Jan 13, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Georgina Joyce > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I have a Mac Mini 2013 with 16GB of RAM. All previous upgrades have gone 
>> well. However, just before Christmas I upgraded to Mojave and I keep having 
>> some kind of VoiceOver crash. I have reinstalled Mojave 3 times now. Each 
>> time it works well for a week or so. Then I get busy notices. I can leave it 
>> and it doesn't calm down. If I CMD + tab it crashes i.e. VoiceOver will not 
>> talk nor restart. When I try to restart although VO does not speak sound has 
>> not crashed as time announcements are announced as configured. I have set 
>> all voice output to Daniel. If I leave the machine for a while the same 
>> crash occurs. I can CMD + w and q in an attempt to close running 
>> applications. I can Eject + CTL and shutdown which works. It is something to 
>> do with VoiceOver but I haven't seen anyone else have the same issues. I 
>> have a Brailliant 40 display connected via USB which doesn't work during 
>> normal operation. However, it does during the install process.
>> 
>> I intended upon doing a fresh install last time but neglected to wipe the 
>> disk first.
>> 
>> How do I look through the logs to see what is going on? If a clean fresh 
>> install does not fix these issues. What other investigations can I undertake?
>> 
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>> Call: M0EBP
>> Loc: IO83PS
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Mojave not workingg well for me

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

I have the same issue and I never saw anyone else with it until this E-Mail. I 
have a Mac mini from 2014 and it only has eight gigs of RAM. In my case, I have 
pretty much narrowed it down to not having enough memory. Don’t know exactly 
why VO is targeted, but I know memory is a problem for me. Unfortunately, I 
can’t upgrade to more memory. I am very angry at this fact.

When VO crashes for me, I do a command+shift+q and log out and then back in. 
Sometimes I have to do it a couple of times before VO will come back up.

Kristeen


> On Jan 13, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I have a Mac Mini 2013 with 16GB of RAM. All previous upgrades have gone 
> well. However, just before Christmas I upgraded to Mojave and I keep having 
> some kind of VoiceOver crash. I have reinstalled Mojave 3 times now. Each 
> time it works well for a week or so. Then I get busy notices. I can leave it 
> and it doesn't calm down. If I CMD + tab it crashes i.e. VoiceOver will not 
> talk nor restart. When I try to restart although VO does not speak sound has 
> not crashed as time announcements are announced as configured. I have set all 
> voice output to Daniel. If I leave the machine for a while the same crash 
> occurs. I can CMD + w and q in an attempt to close running applications. I 
> can Eject + CTL and shutdown which works. It is something to do with 
> VoiceOver but I haven't seen anyone else have the same issues. I have a 
> Brailliant 40 display connected via USB which doesn't work during normal 
> operation. However, it does during the install process.
> 
> I intended upon doing a fresh install last time but neglected to wipe the 
> disk first.
> 
> How do I look through the logs to see what is going on? If a clean fresh 
> install does not fix these issues. What other investigations can I undertake?
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gena
> 
> Call: M0EBP
> Loc: IO83PS
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Mojave not workingg well for me

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

it could still be useful !to try with a new account on your machine. Just go 
into system preferences and click the add account button. After testing it is 
just as easy to delete the account.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 16, 2019, at 9:06 AM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello Jonathan,
> 
> As I have said and now Jason has said. It has worked previously but doesn’t 
> work now. You have the newer version. If Apple are going to deprecate braille 
> support for certain braille displays then they should be open with the 
> community. But as I sent the text from the accessibility team suggests that 
> this problem is not intentional and they are looking into it.
> 
> I’ll state again. The Brailliant worked on previous versions of OS X and 
> works on the installer of Mojave but when Mojave is installed the display 
> does not work. I hope the accessibility team are genuine in stating that it 
> is being looked at.
> 
> Good for you in that you have a newer model but your observations do not 
> apply to the original Brailliant.
> 
> Regards,
> 
>> On 16 Jan 2019, at 03:26, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> will, as I stated in another message, 
>> I am able 
>> to use a Braillan with current birmware on my MacBook Air. One question that 
>> did come up on this thread was if it could emulate another display, I did  
>> find a protocol setting that can be changed to  OpenBraile I did not see any 
>> other modes available. 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn 
>> 
>>> On Jan 15, 2019, at 6:01 PM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> Here’s a response from accessibility:
>>> 
>>> Hello Gena,
>>> 
>>> Thank you for your email. We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you 
>>> know that Apple is currently investigating this issue. We cannot comment on 
>>> when it may be resolved.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Apple Accessibility
>>> 
 On 14 Jan 2019, at 18:33, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 As I stated the display works well during the install. Well in it’s 8 dot 
 messy braille way. It bleeps through out the boot process so the Mac sees 
 it.
 
> On 14 Jan 2019, at 15:07, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Hmm, if the brailliant worked in previous versions that’s very strange 
> indeed.
> I don’t have a brailliant but can’t the brailliant displays emulate 
> Handytech displays?
> You might try that first.
> Does other things work on this port you connected your braille display to?
> Might be worth checking.
> /A
> 
>> 14 jan. 2019 kl. 08:53 skrev Georgina Joyce :
>> 
>> Hello Mike,
>> 
>> I have now just done that. VoiceOver died during the migration assistant 
>> so I left it over night. CMD + F5 has brought Daniel back. However, no 
>> braille. Has USB braille support for the Brailliant displays been 
>> deprecated? How do I review VoiceOver crash logs?
>> 
>> Yes I’ve heard of anecdotal references to doing a clean install but 
>> where is the scientific evidence? One person doesn’t make scientific 
>> evidence and we have other things to do. I’m sure I am not the only one 
>> to apply time saving measures to activities in my life. After all, Apple 
>> would force a fresh install if it was absolutely necessary.
>> 
>> I had no intention of upgrading but the nags to upgrade became a pain.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>>> On 14 Jan 2019, at 00:38, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> First thing I would do is erase the drive and do a clean fresh install. 
>>> I always do this every time a new major release comes out, it takes 
>>> longer but avoids these kinds of problems.
>>> 
 On Jan 13, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 
 I have a Mac Mini 2013 with 16GB of RAM. All previous upgrades have 
 gone well. However, just before Christmas I upgraded to Mojave and I 
 keep having some kind of VoiceOver crash. I have reinstalled Mojave 3 
 times now. Each time it works well for a week or so. Then I get busy 
 notices. I can leave it and it doesn't calm down. If I CMD + tab it 
 crashes i.e. VoiceOver will not talk nor restart. When I try to 
 restart although VO does not speak sound has not crashed as time 
 announcements are announced as configured. I have set all voice output 
 to Daniel. If I leave the machine for a while the same crash occurs. I 
 can CMD + w and q in an attempt to close running applications. I can 
 Eject + CTL and shutdown which works. It is something to do with 
 VoiceOver but I haven't seen anyone else have the same issues. I have 
 a Brailliant 40 display connected via USB which doesn't work during 
 normal operation. However, it does during the install process.
 
 I intended upon doing a fresh install last time but 

Re: Mojave not workingg well for me

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello Jonathan,

As I have said and now Jason has said. It has worked previously but doesn’t 
work now. You have the newer version. If Apple are going to deprecate braille 
support for certain braille displays then they should be open with the 
community. But as I sent the text from the accessibility team suggests that 
this problem is not intentional and they are looking into it.

I’ll state again. The Brailliant worked on previous versions of OS X and works 
on the installer of Mojave but when Mojave is installed the display does not 
work. I hope the accessibility team are genuine in stating that it is being 
looked at.

Good for you in that you have a newer model but your observations do not apply 
to the original Brailliant.

Regards,

> On 16 Jan 2019, at 03:26, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> will, as I stated in another message, 
> I am able 
> to use a Braillan with current birmware on my MacBook Air. One question that 
> did come up on this thread was if it could emulate another display, I did  
> find a protocol setting that can be changed to  OpenBraile I did not see any 
> other modes available. 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
> On Jan 15, 2019, at 6:01 PM, Georgina Joyce  > wrote:
> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> Here’s a response from accessibility:
>> 
>> Hello Gena,
>> 
>> Thank you for your email. We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you 
>> know that Apple is currently investigating this issue. We cannot comment on 
>> when it may be resolved.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Apple Accessibility
>> 
>>> On 14 Jan 2019, at 18:33, Georgina Joyce >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> As I stated the display works well during the install. Well in it’s 8 dot 
>>> messy braille way. It bleeps through out the boot process so the Mac sees 
>>> it.
>>> 
 On 14 Jan 2019, at 15:07, Anders Holmberg >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi!
 Hmm, if the brailliant worked in previous versions that’s very strange 
 indeed.
 I don’t have a brailliant but can’t the brailliant displays emulate 
 Handytech displays?
 You might try that first.
 Does other things work on this port you connected your braille display to?
 Might be worth checking.
 /A
 
> 14 jan. 2019 kl. 08:53 skrev Georgina Joyce  >:
> 
> Hello Mike,
> 
> I have now just done that. VoiceOver died during the migration assistant 
> so I left it over night. CMD + F5 has brought Daniel back. However, no 
> braille. Has USB braille support for the Brailliant displays been 
> deprecated? How do I review VoiceOver crash logs?
> 
> Yes I’ve heard of anecdotal references to doing a clean install but where 
> is the scientific evidence? One person doesn’t make scientific evidence 
> and we have other things to do. I’m sure I am not the only one to apply 
> time saving measures to activities in my life. After all, Apple would 
> force a fresh install if it was absolutely necessary.
> 
> I had no intention of upgrading but the nags to upgrade became a pain.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
> 
>> On 14 Jan 2019, at 00:38, Mike Arrigo > > wrote:
>> 
>> First thing I would do is erase the drive and do a clean fresh install. 
>> I always do this every time a new major release comes out, it takes 
>> longer but avoids these kinds of problems.
>> 
>>> On Jan 13, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Georgina Joyce >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> I have a Mac Mini 2013 with 16GB of RAM. All previous upgrades have 
>>> gone well. However, just before Christmas I upgraded to Mojave and I 
>>> keep having some kind of VoiceOver crash. I have reinstalled Mojave 3 
>>> times now. Each time it works well for a week or so. Then I get busy 
>>> notices. I can leave it and it doesn't calm down. If I CMD + tab it 
>>> crashes i.e. VoiceOver will not talk nor restart. When I try to restart 
>>> although VO does not speak sound has not crashed as time announcements 
>>> are announced as configured. I have set all voice output to Daniel. If 
>>> I leave the machine for a while the same crash occurs. I can CMD + w 
>>> and q in an attempt to close running applications. I can Eject + CTL 
>>> and shutdown which works. It is something to do with VoiceOver but I 
>>> haven't seen anyone else have the same issues. I have a Brailliant 40 
>>> display connected via USB which doesn't work during normal operation. 
>>> However, it does during the install process.
>>> 
>>> I intended upon doing a fresh install last time but neglected to wipe 
>>> the disk first.
>>> 
>>> How do I look through the logs to see what is going on? If a clean 
>>> fresh install does not fix these issues. What other investigations can 
>

Re: Mojave not workingg well for me

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

When I last tried it, my Baum SuperVario 40 braille display (the original 
“Brailliant” device as marketed by HumanWare – a Baum display under a different 
name) did not work under Mojave. It had previously worked well. To be specific, 
the display went into sleep mode when connected via USB, and VoiceOver no 
longer recognized that a braille display was connected.

 

From: Macvisionaries  on behalf of Jonathan 
Cohn 
Reply-To: Macvisionaries 
Date: Monday, January 14, 2019 at 10:44
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: Mojave not workingg well for me

 

I have only used the Brilliant in bluetooth mode when working with MacOS. I’ll 
try it with a cable tonight and let you know my experience. There was a 
Brilliant Firmware update available via the HumanWare Windows installer tool 
that I received last month. I have no idea what was in that firmware, and you 
can probably only do the update in Windows. 

Keep us up to date, with your issue Please.

 

Jonathan

 

On Jan 14, 2019, at 2:53 AM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

 

Hello Mike,

 

I have now just done that. VoiceOver died during the migration assistant so I 
left it over night. CMD + F5 has brought Daniel back. However, no braille. Has 
USB braille support for the Brailliant displays been deprecated? How do I 
review VoiceOver crash logs?

 

Yes I’ve heard of anecdotal references to doing a clean install but where is 
the scientific evidence? One person doesn’t make scientific evidence and we 
have other things to do. I’m sure I am not the only one to apply time saving 
measures to activities in my life. After all, Apple would force a fresh install 
if it was absolutely necessary.

 

I had no intention of upgrading but the nags to upgrade became a pain.

 

Regards,

 

Gena



On 14 Jan 2019, at 00:38, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

 

First thing I would do is erase the drive and do a clean fresh install. I 
always do this every time a new major release comes out, it takes longer but 
avoids these kinds of problems.



On Jan 13, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

Hello All,

I have a Mac Mini 2013 with 16GB of RAM. All previous upgrades have gone well. 
However, just before Christmas I upgraded to Mojave and I keep having some kind 
of VoiceOver crash. I have reinstalled Mojave 3 times now. Each time it works 
well for a week or so. Then I get busy notices. I can leave it and it doesn't 
calm down. If I CMD + tab it crashes i.e. VoiceOver will not talk nor restart. 
When I try to restart although VO does not speak sound has not crashed as time 
announcements are announced as configured. I have set all voice output to 
Daniel. If I leave the machine for a while the same crash occurs. I can CMD + w 
and q in an attempt to close running applications. I can Eject + CTL and 
shutdown which works. It is something to do with VoiceOver but I haven't seen 
anyone else have the same issues. I have a Brailliant 40 display connected via 
USB which doesn't work during normal operation. However, it does during the 
install process.

I intended upon doing a fresh install last time but neglected to wipe the disk 
first.

How do I look through the logs to see what is going on? If a clean fresh 
install does not fix these issues. What other investigations can I undertake?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Gena

Call: M0EBP
Loc: IO83PS




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Re: Mojave not workingg well for me

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

will, as I stated in another message, 
I am able 
to use a Braillan with current birmware on my MacBook Air. One question that 
did come up on this thread was if it could emulate another display, I did  find 
a protocol setting that can be changed to  OpenBraile I did not see any other 
modes available. 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 

> On Jan 15, 2019, at 6:01 PM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Here’s a response from accessibility:
> 
> Hello Gena,
> 
> Thank you for your email. We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you 
> know that Apple is currently investigating this issue. We cannot comment on 
> when it may be resolved.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Apple Accessibility
> 
>> On 14 Jan 2019, at 18:33, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> As I stated the display works well during the install. Well in it’s 8 dot 
>> messy braille way. It bleeps through out the boot process so the Mac sees it.
>> 
>>> On 14 Jan 2019, at 15:07, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Hmm, if the brailliant worked in previous versions that’s very strange 
>>> indeed.
>>> I don’t have a brailliant but can’t the brailliant displays emulate 
>>> Handytech displays?
>>> You might try that first.
>>> Does other things work on this port you connected your braille display to?
>>> Might be worth checking.
>>> /A
>>> 
 14 jan. 2019 kl. 08:53 skrev Georgina Joyce :
 
 Hello Mike,
 
 I have now just done that. VoiceOver died during the migration assistant 
 so I left it over night. CMD + F5 has brought Daniel back. However, no 
 braille. Has USB braille support for the Brailliant displays been 
 deprecated? How do I review VoiceOver crash logs?
 
 Yes I’ve heard of anecdotal references to doing a clean install but where 
 is the scientific evidence? One person doesn’t make scientific evidence 
 and we have other things to do. I’m sure I am not the only one to apply 
 time saving measures to activities in my life. After all, Apple would 
 force a fresh install if it was absolutely necessary.
 
 I had no intention of upgrading but the nags to upgrade became a pain.
 
 Regards,
 
 Gena
 
> On 14 Jan 2019, at 00:38, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> First thing I would do is erase the drive and do a clean fresh install. I 
> always do this every time a new major release comes out, it takes longer 
> but avoids these kinds of problems.
> 
>> On Jan 13, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I have a Mac Mini 2013 with 16GB of RAM. All previous upgrades have gone 
>> well. However, just before Christmas I upgraded to Mojave and I keep 
>> having some kind of VoiceOver crash. I have reinstalled Mojave 3 times 
>> now. Each time it works well for a week or so. Then I get busy notices. 
>> I can leave it and it doesn't calm down. If I CMD + tab it crashes i.e. 
>> VoiceOver will not talk nor restart. When I try to restart although VO 
>> does not speak sound has not crashed as time announcements are announced 
>> as configured. I have set all voice output to Daniel. If I leave the 
>> machine for a while the same crash occurs. I can CMD + w and q in an 
>> attempt to close running applications. I can Eject + CTL and shutdown 
>> which works. It is something to do with VoiceOver but I haven't seen 
>> anyone else have the same issues. I have a Brailliant 40 display 
>> connected via USB which doesn't work during normal operation. However, 
>> it does during the install process.
>> 
>> I intended upon doing a fresh install last time but neglected to wipe 
>> the disk first.
>> 
>> How do I look through the logs to see what is going on? If a clean fresh 
>> install does not fix these issues. What other investigations can I 
>> undertake?
>> 
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>> Call: M0EBP
>> Loc: IO83PS
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Mojave not workingg well for me

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello All,

Here’s a response from accessibility:

Hello Gena,

Thank you for your email. We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you know 
that Apple is currently investigating this issue. We cannot comment on when it 
may be resolved.

Sincerely,
Apple Accessibility

> On 14 Jan 2019, at 18:33, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> As I stated the display works well during the install. Well in it’s 8 dot 
> messy braille way. It bleeps through out the boot process so the Mac sees it.
> 
>> On 14 Jan 2019, at 15:07, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Hmm, if the brailliant worked in previous versions that’s very strange 
>> indeed.
>> I don’t have a brailliant but can’t the brailliant displays emulate 
>> Handytech displays?
>> You might try that first.
>> Does other things work on this port you connected your braille display to?
>> Might be worth checking.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 14 jan. 2019 kl. 08:53 skrev Georgina Joyce >> >:
>>> 
>>> Hello Mike,
>>> 
>>> I have now just done that. VoiceOver died during the migration assistant so 
>>> I left it over night. CMD + F5 has brought Daniel back. However, no 
>>> braille. Has USB braille support for the Brailliant displays been 
>>> deprecated? How do I review VoiceOver crash logs?
>>> 
>>> Yes I’ve heard of anecdotal references to doing a clean install but where 
>>> is the scientific evidence? One person doesn’t make scientific evidence and 
>>> we have other things to do. I’m sure I am not the only one to apply time 
>>> saving measures to activities in my life. After all, Apple would force a 
>>> fresh install if it was absolutely necessary.
>>> 
>>> I had no intention of upgrading but the nags to upgrade became a pain.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
 On 14 Jan 2019, at 00:38, Mike Arrigo >>> > wrote:
 
 First thing I would do is erase the drive and do a clean fresh install. I 
 always do this every time a new major release comes out, it takes longer 
 but avoids these kinds of problems.
 
> On Jan 13, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Georgina Joyce  > wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I have a Mac Mini 2013 with 16GB of RAM. All previous upgrades have gone 
> well. However, just before Christmas I upgraded to Mojave and I keep 
> having some kind of VoiceOver crash. I have reinstalled Mojave 3 times 
> now. Each time it works well for a week or so. Then I get busy notices. I 
> can leave it and it doesn't calm down. If I CMD + tab it crashes i.e. 
> VoiceOver will not talk nor restart. When I try to restart although VO 
> does not speak sound has not crashed as time announcements are announced 
> as configured. I have set all voice output to Daniel. If I leave the 
> machine for a while the same crash occurs. I can CMD + w and q in an 
> attempt to close running applications. I can Eject + CTL and shutdown 
> which works. It is something to do with VoiceOver but I haven't seen 
> anyone else have the same issues. I have a Brailliant 40 display 
> connected via USB which doesn't work during normal operation. However, it 
> does during the install process.
> 
> I intended upon doing a fresh install last time but neglected to wipe the 
> disk first.
> 
> How do I look through the logs to see what is going on? If a clean fresh 
> install does not fix these issues. What other investigations can I 
> undertake?
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gena
> 
> Call: M0EBP
> Loc: IO83PS
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Mojave not workingg well for me

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   I thought time was precious for you. (smiles)

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On 1/14/2019 10:37 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Hello,

Only will I take such a step if I can read the log that states what has 
gone wrong. Just blindly doing something that has been done with the 
clean fresh install seems like a waste of time.


Regards,
On 14 Jan 2019, at 15:16, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


Gena,
  Scientific evidence? Hmm. Well who knows but if you had done a clean 
install at the outset...


  One thing you might try is to wipe the Voiceover settings and reset 
them from scratch.


  Same thing with the braille display.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 1/13/2019 11:53 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Hello Mike,
I have now just done that. VoiceOver died during the migration 
assistant so I left it over night. CMD + F5 has brought Daniel back. 
However, no braille. Has USB braille support for the Brailliant 
displays been deprecated? How do I review VoiceOver crash logs?
Yes I’ve heard of anecdotal references to doing a clean install but 
where is the scientific evidence? One person doesn’t make scientific 
evidence and we have other things to do. I’m sure I am not the only 
one to apply time saving measures to activities in my life. After 
all, Apple would force a fresh install if it was absolutely necessary.

I had no intention of upgrading but the nags to upgrade became a pain.
Regards,
Gena
On 14 Jan 2019, at 00:38, Mike Arrigo  > wrote:


First thing I would do is erase the drive and do a clean fresh 
install. I always do this every time a new major release comes out, 
it takes longer but avoids these kinds of problems.


On Jan 13, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Georgina Joyce  > wrote:


Hello All,

I have a Mac Mini 2013 with 16GB of RAM. All previous upgrades have 
gone well. However, just before Christmas I upgraded to Mojave and 
I keep having some kind of VoiceOver crash. I have reinstalled 
Mojave 3 times now. Each time it works well for a week or so. Then 
I get busy notices. I can leave it and it doesn't calm down. If I 
CMD + tab it crashes i.e. VoiceOver will not talk nor restart. When 
I try to restart although VO does not speak sound has not crashed 
as time announcements are announced as configured. I have set all 
voice output to Daniel. If I leave the machine for a while the same 
crash occurs. I can CMD + w and q in an attempt to close running 
applications. I can Eject + CTL and shutdown which works. It is 
something to do with VoiceOver but I haven't seen anyone else have 
the same issues. I have a Brailliant 40 display connected via USB 
which doesn't work during normal operation. However, it does during 
the install process.


I intended upon doing a fresh install last time but neglected to 
wipe the disk first.


How do I look through the logs to see what is going on? If a clean 
fresh install does not fix these issues. What other investigations 
can I undertake?


Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Gena

Call: M0EBP
Loc: IO83PS




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Re: Mojave not workingg well for me

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello,

Perhaps you should be a good boy then. You will get further with honey than 
vinegar. LOL!




> On 14 Jan 2019, at 15:44, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Personally, I have come to enjoy the Mojave nag screen. It used to bother me, 
> but now I kind of like it. It reminds me of my girlfriend, nag, nag, nag... 😎
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2019, at 10:16 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Gena,
>>  Scientific evidence? Hmm. Well who knows but if you had done a clean 
>> install at the outset...
>> 
>>  One thing you might try is to wipe the Voiceover settings and reset them 
>> from scratch.
>> 
>>  Same thing with the braille display.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>>> On 1/13/2019 11:53 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
>>> Hello Mike,
>>> I have now just done that. VoiceOver died during the migration assistant so 
>>> I left it over night. CMD + F5 has brought Daniel back. However, no 
>>> braille. Has USB braille support for the Brailliant displays been 
>>> deprecated? How do I review VoiceOver crash logs?
>>> Yes I’ve heard of anecdotal references to doing a clean install but where 
>>> is the scientific evidence? One person doesn’t make scientific evidence and 
>>> we have other things to do. I’m sure I am not the only one to apply time 
>>> saving measures to activities in my life. After all, Apple would force a 
>>> fresh install if it was absolutely necessary.
>>> I had no intention of upgrading but the nags to upgrade became a pain.
>>> Regards,
>>> Gena
 On 14 Jan 2019, at 00:38, Mike Arrigo >>> > wrote:
 
 First thing I would do is erase the drive and do a clean fresh install. I 
 always do this every time a new major release comes out, it takes longer 
 but avoids these kinds of problems.
 
> On Jan 13, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Georgina Joyce  > wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I have a Mac Mini 2013 with 16GB of RAM. All previous upgrades have gone 
> well. However, just before Christmas I upgraded to Mojave and I keep 
> having some kind of VoiceOver crash. I have reinstalled Mojave 3 times 
> now. Each time it works well for a week or so. Then I get busy notices. I 
> can leave it and it doesn't calm down. If I CMD + tab it crashes i.e. 
> VoiceOver will not talk nor restart. When I try to restart although VO 
> does not speak sound has not crashed as time announcements are announced 
> as configured. I have set all voice output to Daniel. If I leave the 
> machine for a while the same crash occurs. I can CMD + w and q in an 
> attempt to close running applications. I can Eject + CTL and shutdown 
> which works. It is something to do with VoiceOver but I haven't seen 
> anyone else have the same issues. I have a Brailliant 40 display 
> connected via USB which doesn't work during normal operation. However, it 
> does during the install process.
> 
> I intended upon doing a fresh install last time but neglected to wipe the 
> disk first.
> 
> How do I look through the logs to see what is going on? If a clean fresh 
> install does not fix these issues. What other investigations can I 
> undertake?
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gena
> 
> Call: M0EBP
> Loc: IO83PS
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Mojave not workingg well for me

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello,

Only will I take such a step if I can read the log that states what has gone 
wrong. Just blindly doing something that has been done with the clean fresh 
install seems like a waste of time.

Regards,
> On 14 Jan 2019, at 15:16, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Gena,
>   Scientific evidence? Hmm. Well who knows but if you had done a clean 
> install at the outset...
> 
>   One thing you might try is to wipe the Voiceover settings and reset them 
> from scratch.
> 
>   Same thing with the braille display.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 1/13/2019 11:53 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
>> Hello Mike,
>> I have now just done that. VoiceOver died during the migration assistant so 
>> I left it over night. CMD + F5 has brought Daniel back. However, no braille. 
>> Has USB braille support for the Brailliant displays been deprecated? How do 
>> I review VoiceOver crash logs?
>> Yes I’ve heard of anecdotal references to doing a clean install but where is 
>> the scientific evidence? One person doesn’t make scientific evidence and we 
>> have other things to do. I’m sure I am not the only one to apply time saving 
>> measures to activities in my life. After all, Apple would force a fresh 
>> install if it was absolutely necessary.
>> I had no intention of upgrading but the nags to upgrade became a pain.
>> Regards,
>> Gena
>>> On 14 Jan 2019, at 00:38, Mike Arrigo >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> First thing I would do is erase the drive and do a clean fresh install. I 
>>> always do this every time a new major release comes out, it takes longer 
>>> but avoids these kinds of problems.
>>> 
 On Jan 13, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Georgina Joyce >>> > wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 
 I have a Mac Mini 2013 with 16GB of RAM. All previous upgrades have gone 
 well. However, just before Christmas I upgraded to Mojave and I keep 
 having some kind of VoiceOver crash. I have reinstalled Mojave 3 times 
 now. Each time it works well for a week or so. Then I get busy notices. I 
 can leave it and it doesn't calm down. If I CMD + tab it crashes i.e. 
 VoiceOver will not talk nor restart. When I try to restart although VO 
 does not speak sound has not crashed as time announcements are announced 
 as configured. I have set all voice output to Daniel. If I leave the 
 machine for a while the same crash occurs. I can CMD + w and q in an 
 attempt to close running applications. I can Eject + CTL and shutdown 
 which works. It is something to do with VoiceOver but I haven't seen 
 anyone else have the same issues. I have a Brailliant 40 display connected 
 via USB which doesn't work during normal operation. However, it does 
 during the install process.
 
 I intended upon doing a fresh install last time but neglected to wipe the 
 disk first.
 
 How do I look through the logs to see what is going on? If a clean fresh 
 install does not fix these issues. What other investigations can I 
 undertake?
 
 Any help would be appreciated.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Gena
 
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Re: Mojave not workingg well for me

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello,

As I stated the display works well during the install. Well in it’s 8 dot messy 
braille way. It bleeps through out the boot process so the Mac sees it.

> On 14 Jan 2019, at 15:07, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Hmm, if the brailliant worked in previous versions that’s very strange indeed.
> I don’t have a brailliant but can’t the brailliant displays emulate Handytech 
> displays?
> You might try that first.
> Does other things work on this port you connected your braille display to?
> Might be worth checking.
> /A
> 
>> 14 jan. 2019 kl. 08:53 skrev Georgina Joyce > >:
>> 
>> Hello Mike,
>> 
>> I have now just done that. VoiceOver died during the migration assistant so 
>> I left it over night. CMD + F5 has brought Daniel back. However, no braille. 
>> Has USB braille support for the Brailliant displays been deprecated? How do 
>> I review VoiceOver crash logs?
>> 
>> Yes I’ve heard of anecdotal references to doing a clean install but where is 
>> the scientific evidence? One person doesn’t make scientific evidence and we 
>> have other things to do. I’m sure I am not the only one to apply time saving 
>> measures to activities in my life. After all, Apple would force a fresh 
>> install if it was absolutely necessary.
>> 
>> I had no intention of upgrading but the nags to upgrade became a pain.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>>> On 14 Jan 2019, at 00:38, Mike Arrigo >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> First thing I would do is erase the drive and do a clean fresh install. I 
>>> always do this every time a new major release comes out, it takes longer 
>>> but avoids these kinds of problems.
>>> 
 On Jan 13, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Georgina Joyce >>> > wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 
 I have a Mac Mini 2013 with 16GB of RAM. All previous upgrades have gone 
 well. However, just before Christmas I upgraded to Mojave and I keep 
 having some kind of VoiceOver crash. I have reinstalled Mojave 3 times 
 now. Each time it works well for a week or so. Then I get busy notices. I 
 can leave it and it doesn't calm down. If I CMD + tab it crashes i.e. 
 VoiceOver will not talk nor restart. When I try to restart although VO 
 does not speak sound has not crashed as time announcements are announced 
 as configured. I have set all voice output to Daniel. If I leave the 
 machine for a while the same crash occurs. I can CMD + w and q in an 
 attempt to close running applications. I can Eject + CTL and shutdown 
 which works. It is something to do with VoiceOver but I haven't seen 
 anyone else have the same issues. I have a Brailliant 40 display connected 
 via USB which doesn't work during normal operation. However, it does 
 during the install process.
 
 I intended upon doing a fresh install last time but neglected to wipe the 
 disk first.
 
 How do I look through the logs to see what is going on? If a clean fresh 
 install does not fix these issues. What other investigations can I 
 undertake?
 
 Any help would be appreciated.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Gena
 
 Call: M0EBP
 Loc: IO83PS
 
 
 
 
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Re: Mojave not workingg well for me

[Jonathan Cohn]

I have only used the Brilliant in bluetooth mode when working with MacOS. I’ll 
try it with a cable tonight and let you know my experience. There was a 
Brilliant Firmware update available via the HumanWare Windows installer tool 
that I received last month. I have no idea what was in that firmware, and you 
can probably only do the update in Windows. 
Keep us up to date, with your issue Please.

Jonathan

> On Jan 14, 2019, at 2:53 AM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mike,
> 
> I have now just done that. VoiceOver died during the migration assistant so I 
> left it over night. CMD + F5 has brought Daniel back. However, no braille. 
> Has USB braille support for the Brailliant displays been deprecated? How do I 
> review VoiceOver crash logs?
> 
> Yes I’ve heard of anecdotal references to doing a clean install but where is 
> the scientific evidence? One person doesn’t make scientific evidence and we 
> have other things to do. I’m sure I am not the only one to apply time saving 
> measures to activities in my life. After all, Apple would force a fresh 
> install if it was absolutely necessary.
> 
> I had no intention of upgrading but the nags to upgrade became a pain.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
> 
>> On 14 Jan 2019, at 00:38, Mike Arrigo > > wrote:
>> 
>> First thing I would do is erase the drive and do a clean fresh install. I 
>> always do this every time a new major release comes out, it takes longer but 
>> avoids these kinds of problems.
>> 
>>> On Jan 13, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Georgina Joyce >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> I have a Mac Mini 2013 with 16GB of RAM. All previous upgrades have gone 
>>> well. However, just before Christmas I upgraded to Mojave and I keep having 
>>> some kind of VoiceOver crash. I have reinstalled Mojave 3 times now. Each 
>>> time it works well for a week or so. Then I get busy notices. I can leave 
>>> it and it doesn't calm down. If I CMD + tab it crashes i.e. VoiceOver will 
>>> not talk nor restart. When I try to restart although VO does not speak 
>>> sound has not crashed as time announcements are announced as configured. I 
>>> have set all voice output to Daniel. If I leave the machine for a while the 
>>> same crash occurs. I can CMD + w and q in an attempt to close running 
>>> applications. I can Eject + CTL and shutdown which works. It is something 
>>> to do with VoiceOver but I haven't seen anyone else have the same issues. I 
>>> have a Brailliant 40 display connected via USB which doesn't work during 
>>> normal operation. However, it does during the install process.
>>> 
>>> I intended upon doing a fresh install last time but neglected to wipe the 
>>> disk first.
>>> 
>>> How do I look through the logs to see what is going on? If a clean fresh 
>>> install does not fix these issues. What other investigations can I 
>>> undertake?
>>> 
>>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
>>> Call: M0EBP
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Re: Mojave not workingg well for me

[Phil Halton]

Personally, I have come to enjoy the Mojave nag screen. It used to bother me, 
but now I kind of like it. It reminds me of my girlfriend, nag, nag, nag... 😎

Sent from my IPhone


> On Jan 14, 2019, at 10:16 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Gena,
>   Scientific evidence? Hmm. Well who knows but if you had done a clean 
> install at the outset...
> 
>   One thing you might try is to wipe the Voiceover settings and reset them 
> from scratch.
> 
>   Same thing with the braille display.
> 
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> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>> On 1/13/2019 11:53 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:
>> Hello Mike,
>> I have now just done that. VoiceOver died during the migration assistant so 
>> I left it over night. CMD + F5 has brought Daniel back. However, no braille. 
>> Has USB braille support for the Brailliant displays been deprecated? How do 
>> I review VoiceOver crash logs?
>> Yes I’ve heard of anecdotal references to doing a clean install but where is 
>> the scientific evidence? One person doesn’t make scientific evidence and we 
>> have other things to do. I’m sure I am not the only one to apply time saving 
>> measures to activities in my life. After all, Apple would force a fresh 
>> install if it was absolutely necessary.
>> I had no intention of upgrading but the nags to upgrade became a pain.
>> Regards,
>> Gena
>>> On 14 Jan 2019, at 00:38, Mike Arrigo >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> First thing I would do is erase the drive and do a clean fresh install. I 
>>> always do this every time a new major release comes out, it takes longer 
>>> but avoids these kinds of problems.
>>> 
 On Jan 13, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Georgina Joyce >>> > wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 
 I have a Mac Mini 2013 with 16GB of RAM. All previous upgrades have gone 
 well. However, just before Christmas I upgraded to Mojave and I keep 
 having some kind of VoiceOver crash. I have reinstalled Mojave 3 times 
 now. Each time it works well for a week or so. Then I get busy notices. I 
 can leave it and it doesn't calm down. If I CMD + tab it crashes i.e. 
 VoiceOver will not talk nor restart. When I try to restart although VO 
 does not speak sound has not crashed as time announcements are announced 
 as configured. I have set all voice output to Daniel. If I leave the 
 machine for a while the same crash occurs. I can CMD + w and q in an 
 attempt to close running applications. I can Eject + CTL and shutdown 
 which works. It is something to do with VoiceOver but I haven't seen 
 anyone else have the same issues. I have a Brailliant 40 display connected 
 via USB which doesn't work during normal operation. However, it does 
 during the install process.
 
 I intended upon doing a fresh install last time but neglected to wipe the 
 disk first.
 
 How do I look through the logs to see what is going on? If a clean fresh 
 install does not fix these issues. What other investigations can I 
 undertake?
 
 Any help would be appreciated.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Gena
 
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Re: Mojave not workingg well for me

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

Gena,
   Scientific evidence? Hmm. Well who knows but if you had done a 
clean install at the outset...


   One thing you might try is to wipe the Voiceover settings and reset 
them from scratch.


   Same thing with the braille display.

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On 1/13/2019 11:53 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

Hello Mike,

I have now just done that. VoiceOver died during the migration assistant 
so I left it over night. CMD + F5 has brought Daniel back. However, no 
braille. Has USB braille support for the Brailliant displays been 
deprecated? How do I review VoiceOver crash logs?


Yes I’ve heard of anecdotal references to doing a clean install but 
where is the scientific evidence? One person doesn’t make scientific 
evidence and we have other things to do. I’m sure I am not the only one 
to apply time saving measures to activities in my life. After all, Apple 
would force a fresh install if it was absolutely necessary.


I had no intention of upgrading but the nags to upgrade became a pain.

Regards,

Gena

On 14 Jan 2019, at 00:38, Mike Arrigo > wrote:


First thing I would do is erase the drive and do a clean fresh 
install. I always do this every time a new major release comes out, it 
takes longer but avoids these kinds of problems.


On Jan 13, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Georgina Joyce > wrote:


Hello All,

I have a Mac Mini 2013 with 16GB of RAM. All previous upgrades have 
gone well. However, just before Christmas I upgraded to Mojave and I 
keep having some kind of VoiceOver crash. I have reinstalled Mojave 3 
times now. Each time it works well for a week or so. Then I get busy 
notices. I can leave it and it doesn't calm down. If I CMD + tab it 
crashes i.e. VoiceOver will not talk nor restart. When I try to 
restart although VO does not speak sound has not crashed as time 
announcements are announced as configured. I have set all voice 
output to Daniel. If I leave the machine for a while the same crash 
occurs. I can CMD + w and q in an attempt to close running 
applications. I can Eject + CTL and shutdown which works. It is 
something to do with VoiceOver but I haven't seen anyone else have 
the same issues. I have a Brailliant 40 display connected via USB 
which doesn't work during normal operation. However, it does during 
the install process.


I intended upon doing a fresh install last time but neglected to wipe 
the disk first.


How do I look through the logs to see what is going on? If a clean 
fresh install does not fix these issues. What other investigations 
can I undertake?


Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Gena

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Re: Mojave not workingg well for me

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Hmm, if the brailliant worked in previous versions that’s very strange indeed.
I don’t have a brailliant but can’t the brailliant displays emulate Handytech 
displays?
You might try that first.
Does other things work on this port you connected your braille display to?
Might be worth checking.
/A

> 14 jan. 2019 kl. 08:53 skrev Georgina Joyce :
> 
> Hello Mike,
> 
> I have now just done that. VoiceOver died during the migration assistant so I 
> left it over night. CMD + F5 has brought Daniel back. However, no braille. 
> Has USB braille support for the Brailliant displays been deprecated? How do I 
> review VoiceOver crash logs?
> 
> Yes I’ve heard of anecdotal references to doing a clean install but where is 
> the scientific evidence? One person doesn’t make scientific evidence and we 
> have other things to do. I’m sure I am not the only one to apply time saving 
> measures to activities in my life. After all, Apple would force a fresh 
> install if it was absolutely necessary.
> 
> I had no intention of upgrading but the nags to upgrade became a pain.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
> 
>> On 14 Jan 2019, at 00:38, Mike Arrigo > > wrote:
>> 
>> First thing I would do is erase the drive and do a clean fresh install. I 
>> always do this every time a new major release comes out, it takes longer but 
>> avoids these kinds of problems.
>> 
>>> On Jan 13, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Georgina Joyce >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> I have a Mac Mini 2013 with 16GB of RAM. All previous upgrades have gone 
>>> well. However, just before Christmas I upgraded to Mojave and I keep having 
>>> some kind of VoiceOver crash. I have reinstalled Mojave 3 times now. Each 
>>> time it works well for a week or so. Then I get busy notices. I can leave 
>>> it and it doesn't calm down. If I CMD + tab it crashes i.e. VoiceOver will 
>>> not talk nor restart. When I try to restart although VO does not speak 
>>> sound has not crashed as time announcements are announced as configured. I 
>>> have set all voice output to Daniel. If I leave the machine for a while the 
>>> same crash occurs. I can CMD + w and q in an attempt to close running 
>>> applications. I can Eject + CTL and shutdown which works. It is something 
>>> to do with VoiceOver but I haven't seen anyone else have the same issues. I 
>>> have a Brailliant 40 display connected via USB which doesn't work during 
>>> normal operation. However, it does during the install process.
>>> 
>>> I intended upon doing a fresh install last time but neglected to wipe the 
>>> disk first.
>>> 
>>> How do I look through the logs to see what is going on? If a clean fresh 
>>> install does not fix these issues. What other investigations can I 
>>> undertake?
>>> 
>>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
>>> Call: M0EBP
>>> Loc: IO83PS
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Mojave not workingg well for me

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello Mike,

I have now just done that. VoiceOver died during the migration assistant so I 
left it over night. CMD + F5 has brought Daniel back. However, no braille. Has 
USB braille support for the Brailliant displays been deprecated? How do I 
review VoiceOver crash logs?

Yes I’ve heard of anecdotal references to doing a clean install but where is 
the scientific evidence? One person doesn’t make scientific evidence and we 
have other things to do. I’m sure I am not the only one to apply time saving 
measures to activities in my life. After all, Apple would force a fresh install 
if it was absolutely necessary.

I had no intention of upgrading but the nags to upgrade became a pain.

Regards,

Gena

> On 14 Jan 2019, at 00:38, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> First thing I would do is erase the drive and do a clean fresh install. I 
> always do this every time a new major release comes out, it takes longer but 
> avoids these kinds of problems.
> 
>> On Jan 13, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I have a Mac Mini 2013 with 16GB of RAM. All previous upgrades have gone 
>> well. However, just before Christmas I upgraded to Mojave and I keep having 
>> some kind of VoiceOver crash. I have reinstalled Mojave 3 times now. Each 
>> time it works well for a week or so. Then I get busy notices. I can leave it 
>> and it doesn't calm down. If I CMD + tab it crashes i.e. VoiceOver will not 
>> talk nor restart. When I try to restart although VO does not speak sound has 
>> not crashed as time announcements are announced as configured. I have set 
>> all voice output to Daniel. If I leave the machine for a while the same 
>> crash occurs. I can CMD + w and q in an attempt to close running 
>> applications. I can Eject + CTL and shutdown which works. It is something to 
>> do with VoiceOver but I haven't seen anyone else have the same issues. I 
>> have a Brailliant 40 display connected via USB which doesn't work during 
>> normal operation. However, it does during the install process.
>> 
>> I intended upon doing a fresh install last time but neglected to wipe the 
>> disk first.
>> 
>> How do I look through the logs to see what is going on? If a clean fresh 
>> install does not fix these issues. What other investigations can I undertake?
>> 
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>> Call: M0EBP
>> Loc: IO83PS
>> 
>> 
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['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   I thought I was the only one doing clean installs. (smiles) Yes it 
takes more work but each time it gets easier because I take notes and 
save them for the next major release.


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On 1/13/2019 4:38 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

First thing I would do is erase the drive and do a clean fresh install. I 
always do this every time a new major release comes out, it takes longer but 
avoids these kinds of problems.


On Jan 13, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

Hello All,

I have a Mac Mini 2013 with 16GB of RAM. All previous upgrades have gone well. 
However, just before Christmas I upgraded to Mojave and I keep having some kind 
of VoiceOver crash. I have reinstalled Mojave 3 times now. Each time it works 
well for a week or so. Then I get busy notices. I can leave it and it doesn't 
calm down. If I CMD + tab it crashes i.e. VoiceOver will not talk nor restart. 
When I try to restart although VO does not speak sound has not crashed as time 
announcements are announced as configured. I have set all voice output to 
Daniel. If I leave the machine for a while the same crash occurs. I can CMD + w 
and q in an attempt to close running applications. I can Eject + CTL and 
shutdown which works. It is something to do with VoiceOver but I haven't seen 
anyone else have the same issues. I have a Brailliant 40 display connected via 
USB which doesn't work during normal operation. However, it does during the 
install process.

I intended upon doing a fresh install last time but neglected to wipe the disk 
first.

How do I look through the logs to see what is going on? If a clean fresh 
install does not fix these issues. What other investigations can I undertake?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Gena

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Re: Mojave not workingg well for me

[Mike Arrigo]

First thing I would do is erase the drive and do a clean fresh install. I 
always do this every time a new major release comes out, it takes longer but 
avoids these kinds of problems.

> On Jan 13, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I have a Mac Mini 2013 with 16GB of RAM. All previous upgrades have gone 
> well. However, just before Christmas I upgraded to Mojave and I keep having 
> some kind of VoiceOver crash. I have reinstalled Mojave 3 times now. Each 
> time it works well for a week or so. Then I get busy notices. I can leave it 
> and it doesn't calm down. If I CMD + tab it crashes i.e. VoiceOver will not 
> talk nor restart. When I try to restart although VO does not speak sound has 
> not crashed as time announcements are announced as configured. I have set all 
> voice output to Daniel. If I leave the machine for a while the same crash 
> occurs. I can CMD + w and q in an attempt to close running applications. I 
> can Eject + CTL and shutdown which works. It is something to do with 
> VoiceOver but I haven't seen anyone else have the same issues. I have a 
> Brailliant 40 display connected via USB which doesn't work during normal 
> operation. However, it does during the install process.
> 
> I intended upon doing a fresh install last time but neglected to wipe the 
> disk first.
> 
> How do I look through the logs to see what is going on? If a clean fresh 
> install does not fix these issues. What other investigations can I undertake?
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gena
> 
> Call: M0EBP
> Loc: IO83PS
> 
> 
> 
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Mojave not workingg well for me

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello All,

I have a Mac Mini 2013 with 16GB of RAM. All previous upgrades have gone well. 
However, just before Christmas I upgraded to Mojave and I keep having some kind 
of VoiceOver crash. I have reinstalled Mojave 3 times now. Each time it works 
well for a week or so. Then I get busy notices. I can leave it and it doesn't 
calm down. If I CMD + tab it crashes i.e. VoiceOver will not talk nor restart. 
When I try to restart although VO does not speak sound has not crashed as time 
announcements are announced as configured. I have set all voice output to 
Daniel. If I leave the machine for a while the same crash occurs. I can CMD + w 
and q in an attempt to close running applications. I can Eject + CTL and 
shutdown which works. It is something to do with VoiceOver but I haven't seen 
anyone else have the same issues. I have a Brailliant 40 display connected via 
USB which doesn't work during normal operation. However, it does during the 
install process.

I intended upon doing a fresh install last time but neglected to wipe the disk 
first.

How do I look through the logs to see what is going on? If a clean fresh 
install does not fix these issues. What other investigations can I undertake?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Gena

Call: M0EBP
Loc: IO83PS



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