Re: Mouse cursor follows voiceover cursor or ignores voiceover cursor

2022-03-15 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Hi,

In Navigation.

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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> On Mar 14, 2022, at 19:01, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> where do I find the place to set the behavior of vo and mouse cursors?
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2022, at 2:00 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> While in VoiceOver Utility, select the Activities category.  Press Add 
>> activity.  Stop interacting with the table, navigate to the Navigation 
>> checkbox and press it.  Set the cursor to Ignore.  Navigate to the Apps & 
>> Websites menu and select web-site.  Enter www.amazon.com 
>>  in the field for the URL and That’s it.  Make sure 
>> to name the Activity as well.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Mar 14, 2022, at 12:41, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I set mine up the other way but I do think that in most cases it works 
>>> better to have the mouse cursor follow the vo cursor. how would I go about 
>>> setting up an activity to change that behavior on sites like Amazon?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
>>> 
 On Mar 14, 2022, at 10:10 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I much prefer it to follow the VO cursor.  For situations like the Amazon 
 web-site that were mentioned, I’ve just created an Activity to change that 
 behaviour for that, or those, specific web-sites.  For me, it’s just 
 easier to ensure that the mouse is where I’m hearing things when trying to 
 do actions on the things I’m hearing through VoiceOver.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Mar 13, 2022, at 15:35, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Sometimes it can be good also to follow the mouse cursor.
> But you can create a shortcut to turn that on or off if that’s needed.
> /A
> 
>> 13 mars 2022 kl. 17:47 skrev Greg Wocher > >:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> It's probably best to set it to ignores VO cursor. There are times where 
>> it is beneficial to not have the mouse cursor follow the VO cursor. An 
>> example of this is the Amazon website. If the mouse cursor is set to 
>> follow the VO cursor it can cause all kinds of issues with the Amazon 
>> site. There is also a command to move the mouse cursor to the VO cursor 
>> so ignoring is probably best.
>> 
>> Greg Wocher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 13, 2022, at 9:47 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> The subject explains my dilemma.  Is it better to set mouse cursorr to 
>>> ignore voiceover cursor or follow it?  What is your experience.  I’d 
>>> appreciate your comments.
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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Re: Mouse cursor follows voiceover cursor or ignores voiceover cursor

2022-03-14 Thread Lorie McCloud 
where do I find the place to set the behavior of vo and mouse cursors?

> On Mar 14, 2022, at 2:00 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> While in VoiceOver Utility, select the Activities category.  Press Add 
> activity.  Stop interacting with the table, navigate to the Navigation 
> checkbox and press it.  Set the cursor to Ignore.  Navigate to the Apps & 
> Websites menu and select web-site.  Enter www.amazon.com 
>  in the field for the URL and That’s it.  Make sure 
> to name the Activity as well.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2022, at 12:41, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I set mine up the other way but I do think that in most cases it works 
>> better to have the mouse cursor follow the vo cursor. how would I go about 
>> setting up an activity to change that behavior on sites like Amazon?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
>>> On Mar 14, 2022, at 10:10 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I much prefer it to follow the VO cursor.  For situations like the Amazon 
>>> web-site that were mentioned, I’ve just created an Activity to change that 
>>> behaviour for that, or those, specific web-sites.  For me, it’s just easier 
>>> to ensure that the mouse is where I’m hearing things when trying to do 
>>> actions on the things I’m hearing through VoiceOver.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Mar 13, 2022, at 15:35, Anders Holmberg >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi!
 Sometimes it can be good also to follow the mouse cursor.
 But you can create a shortcut to turn that on or off if that’s needed.
 /A
 
> 13 mars 2022 kl. 17:47 skrev Greg Wocher  >:
> 
> Hello,
> It's probably best to set it to ignores VO cursor. There are times where 
> it is beneficial to not have the mouse cursor follow the VO cursor. An 
> example of this is the Amazon website. If the mouse cursor is set to 
> follow the VO cursor it can cause all kinds of issues with the Amazon 
> site. There is also a command to move the mouse cursor to the VO cursor 
> so ignoring is probably best.
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On Mar 13, 2022, at 9:47 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The subject explains my dilemma.  Is it better to set mouse cursorr to 
>> ignore voiceover cursor or follow it?  What is your experience.  I’d 
>> appreciate your comments.
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
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Re: Mouse cursor follows voiceover cursor or ignores voiceover cursor

2022-03-14 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Hi,

No, I don’t believe so.  You can, though, easily duplicate the activity and 
then change the web-site associated with it.

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Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Mar 14, 2022, at 15:12, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> if I find other websites later that I want to add to that activity can I do 
> it without creating another activity?
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2022, at 2:00 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> While in VoiceOver Utility, select the Activities category.  Press Add 
>> activity.  Stop interacting with the table, navigate to the Navigation 
>> checkbox and press it.  Set the cursor to Ignore.  Navigate to the Apps & 
>> Websites menu and select web-site.  Enter www.amazon.com 
>>  in the field for the URL and That’s it.  Make sure 
>> to name the Activity as well.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Mar 14, 2022, at 12:41, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I set mine up the other way but I do think that in most cases it works 
>>> better to have the mouse cursor follow the vo cursor. how would I go about 
>>> setting up an activity to change that behavior on sites like Amazon?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
>>> 
 On Mar 14, 2022, at 10:10 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I much prefer it to follow the VO cursor.  For situations like the Amazon 
 web-site that were mentioned, I’ve just created an Activity to change that 
 behaviour for that, or those, specific web-sites.  For me, it’s just 
 easier to ensure that the mouse is where I’m hearing things when trying to 
 do actions on the things I’m hearing through VoiceOver.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Mar 13, 2022, at 15:35, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Sometimes it can be good also to follow the mouse cursor.
> But you can create a shortcut to turn that on or off if that’s needed.
> /A
> 
>> 13 mars 2022 kl. 17:47 skrev Greg Wocher > >:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> It's probably best to set it to ignores VO cursor. There are times where 
>> it is beneficial to not have the mouse cursor follow the VO cursor. An 
>> example of this is the Amazon website. If the mouse cursor is set to 
>> follow the VO cursor it can cause all kinds of issues with the Amazon 
>> site. There is also a command to move the mouse cursor to the VO cursor 
>> so ignoring is probably best.
>> 
>> Greg Wocher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 13, 2022, at 9:47 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> The subject explains my dilemma.  Is it better to set mouse cursorr to 
>>> ignore voiceover cursor or follow it?  What is your experience.  I’d 
>>> appreciate your comments.
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>> 
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Re: Mouse cursor follows voiceover cursor or ignores voiceover cursor

2022-03-14 Thread Lorie McCloud 
if I find other websites later that I want to add to that activity can I do it 
without creating another activity?

> On Mar 14, 2022, at 2:00 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> While in VoiceOver Utility, select the Activities category.  Press Add 
> activity.  Stop interacting with the table, navigate to the Navigation 
> checkbox and press it.  Set the cursor to Ignore.  Navigate to the Apps & 
> Websites menu and select web-site.  Enter www.amazon.com 
>  in the field for the URL and That’s it.  Make sure 
> to name the Activity as well.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2022, at 12:41, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I set mine up the other way but I do think that in most cases it works 
>> better to have the mouse cursor follow the vo cursor. how would I go about 
>> setting up an activity to change that behavior on sites like Amazon?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
>>> On Mar 14, 2022, at 10:10 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I much prefer it to follow the VO cursor.  For situations like the Amazon 
>>> web-site that were mentioned, I’ve just created an Activity to change that 
>>> behaviour for that, or those, specific web-sites.  For me, it’s just easier 
>>> to ensure that the mouse is where I’m hearing things when trying to do 
>>> actions on the things I’m hearing through VoiceOver.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Mar 13, 2022, at 15:35, Anders Holmberg >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi!
 Sometimes it can be good also to follow the mouse cursor.
 But you can create a shortcut to turn that on or off if that’s needed.
 /A
 
> 13 mars 2022 kl. 17:47 skrev Greg Wocher  >:
> 
> Hello,
> It's probably best to set it to ignores VO cursor. There are times where 
> it is beneficial to not have the mouse cursor follow the VO cursor. An 
> example of this is the Amazon website. If the mouse cursor is set to 
> follow the VO cursor it can cause all kinds of issues with the Amazon 
> site. There is also a command to move the mouse cursor to the VO cursor 
> so ignoring is probably best.
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On Mar 13, 2022, at 9:47 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The subject explains my dilemma.  Is it better to set mouse cursorr to 
>> ignore voiceover cursor or follow it?  What is your experience.  I’d 
>> appreciate your comments.
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
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Re: Mouse cursor follows voiceover cursor or ignores voiceover cursor

2022-03-14 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Hi,

While in VoiceOver Utility, select the Activities category.  Press Add 
activity.  Stop interacting with the table, navigate to the Navigation checkbox 
and press it.  Set the cursor to Ignore.  Navigate to the Apps & Websites menu 
and select web-site.  Enter www.amazon.com  in the 
field for the URL and That’s it.  Make sure to name the Activity as well.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Mar 14, 2022, at 12:41, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I set mine up the other way but I do think that in most cases it works better 
> to have the mouse cursor follow the vo cursor. how would I go about setting 
> up an activity to change that behavior on sites like Amazon?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2022, at 10:10 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I much prefer it to follow the VO cursor.  For situations like the Amazon 
>> web-site that were mentioned, I’ve just created an Activity to change that 
>> behaviour for that, or those, specific web-sites.  For me, it’s just easier 
>> to ensure that the mouse is where I’m hearing things when trying to do 
>> actions on the things I’m hearing through VoiceOver.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Mar 13, 2022, at 15:35, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Sometimes it can be good also to follow the mouse cursor.
>>> But you can create a shortcut to turn that on or off if that’s needed.
>>> /A
>>> 
 13 mars 2022 kl. 17:47 skrev Greg Wocher >>> >:
 
 Hello,
 It's probably best to set it to ignores VO cursor. There are times where 
 it is beneficial to not have the mouse cursor follow the VO cursor. An 
 example of this is the Amazon website. If the mouse cursor is set to 
 follow the VO cursor it can cause all kinds of issues with the Amazon 
 site. There is also a command to move the mouse cursor to the VO cursor so 
 ignoring is probably best.
 
 Greg Wocher
 
 
> On Mar 13, 2022, at 9:47 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The subject explains my dilemma.  Is it better to set mouse cursorr to 
> ignore voiceover cursor or follow it?  What is your experience.  I’d 
> appreciate your comments.
> 
> Andrew
> 
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Re: Mouse cursor follows voiceover cursor or ignores voiceover cursor

2022-03-14 Thread Lorie McCloud 
I set mine up the other way but I do think that in most cases it works better 
to have the mouse cursor follow the vo cursor. how would I go about setting up 
an activity to change that behavior on sites like Amazon?

thanks.
Lorie

> On Mar 14, 2022, at 10:10 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I much prefer it to follow the VO cursor.  For situations like the Amazon 
> web-site that were mentioned, I’ve just created an Activity to change that 
> behaviour for that, or those, specific web-sites.  For me, it’s just easier 
> to ensure that the mouse is where I’m hearing things when trying to do 
> actions on the things I’m hearing through VoiceOver.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Mar 13, 2022, at 15:35, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Sometimes it can be good also to follow the mouse cursor.
>> But you can create a shortcut to turn that on or off if that’s needed.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 13 mars 2022 kl. 17:47 skrev Greg Wocher >> >:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> It's probably best to set it to ignores VO cursor. There are times where it 
>>> is beneficial to not have the mouse cursor follow the VO cursor. An example 
>>> of this is the Amazon website. If the mouse cursor is set to follow the VO 
>>> cursor it can cause all kinds of issues with the Amazon site. There is also 
>>> a command to move the mouse cursor to the VO cursor so ignoring is probably 
>>> best.
>>> 
>>> Greg Wocher
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 13, 2022, at 9:47 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 The subject explains my dilemma.  Is it better to set mouse cursorr to 
 ignore voiceover cursor or follow it?  What is your experience.  I’d 
 appreciate your comments.
 
 Andrew
 
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Re: Mouse cursor follows voiceover cursor or ignores voiceover cursor

2022-03-14 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Hi,

I much prefer it to follow the VO cursor.  For situations like the Amazon 
web-site that were mentioned, I’ve just created an Activity to change that 
behaviour for that, or those, specific web-sites.  For me, it’s just easier to 
ensure that the mouse is where I’m hearing things when trying to do actions on 
the things I’m hearing through VoiceOver.

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> On Mar 13, 2022, at 15:35, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Sometimes it can be good also to follow the mouse cursor.
> But you can create a shortcut to turn that on or off if that’s needed.
> /A
> 
>> 13 mars 2022 kl. 17:47 skrev Greg Wocher :
>> 
>> Hello,
>> It's probably best to set it to ignores VO cursor. There are times where it 
>> is beneficial to not have the mouse cursor follow the VO cursor. An example 
>> of this is the Amazon website. If the mouse cursor is set to follow the VO 
>> cursor it can cause all kinds of issues with the Amazon site. There is also 
>> a command to move the mouse cursor to the VO cursor so ignoring is probably 
>> best.
>> 
>> Greg Wocher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 13, 2022, at 9:47 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> The subject explains my dilemma.  Is it better to set mouse cursorr to 
>>> ignore voiceover cursor or follow it?  What is your experience.  I’d 
>>> appreciate your comments.
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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Re: Mouse cursor follows voiceover cursor or ignores voiceover cursor

2022-03-13 Thread Anders Holmberg 
Hi!
Sometimes it can be good also to follow the mouse cursor.
But you can create a shortcut to turn that on or off if that’s needed.
/A

> 13 mars 2022 kl. 17:47 skrev Greg Wocher :
> 
> Hello,
> It's probably best to set it to ignores VO cursor. There are times where it 
> is beneficial to not have the mouse cursor follow the VO cursor. An example 
> of this is the Amazon website. If the mouse cursor is set to follow the VO 
> cursor it can cause all kinds of issues with the Amazon site. There is also a 
> command to move the mouse cursor to the VO cursor so ignoring is probably 
> best.
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On Mar 13, 2022, at 9:47 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The subject explains my dilemma.  Is it better to set mouse cursorr to 
>> ignore voiceover cursor or follow it?  What is your experience.  I’d 
>> appreciate your comments.
>> 
>> Andrew
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Re: Mouse cursor follows voiceover cursor or ignores voiceover cursor

2022-03-13 Thread Mike Arrigo 
In many cases it doesn't matter but on certain web sites it makes a difference. 
On some web sites, a subcategory of links will only appear when the mouse is 
moved over the main link. For example, you might have a link that says 
"products," and then a sublist of products links would appear, but only if the 
mouse is sitting on the products link. Really this is bad web design for 
accessibility since it makes things difficult for those who don't use a mouse, 
but it does happen. Setting the mouse to follow the voiceover cursor will 
ensure that you see these links.

> On Mar 13, 2022, at 8:47 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> The subject explains my dilemma.  Is it better to set mouse cursorr to ignore 
> voiceover cursor or follow it?  What is your experience.  I’d appreciate your 
> comments.
> 
> Andrew
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Re: Mouse cursor follows voiceover cursor or ignores voiceover cursor

2022-03-13 Thread Jonathan Cohn 
That being said, one advantage of the mouse cursor following the VoiceOver 
cursor, is that some voice over commands like 
vo-shift-M contextual menu 
Vo-space activate item 
do not seem to work as consistently when the mouse is not somewhere within the 
current VO cursor bounds.
That being said, the VO-shift-command-space (key seems to first move the mouse 
cursor to the bounds  and then do a mouse down or mouse up. The VO-Space key 
issues probably depend on the role/type of object currently in the VO-cursor. 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Mar 13, 2022, at 12:47, Greg Wocher  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> It's probably best to set it to ignores VO cursor. There are times where it 
> is beneficial to not have the mouse cursor follow the VO cursor. An example 
> of this is the Amazon website. If the mouse cursor is set to follow the VO 
> cursor it can cause all kinds of issues with the Amazon site. There is also a 
> command to move the mouse cursor to the VO cursor so ignoring is probably 
> best.
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On Mar 13, 2022, at 9:47 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
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>> ignore voiceover cursor or follow it?  What is your experience.  I’d 
>> appreciate your comments.
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>> Andrew
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Re: Mouse cursor follows voiceover cursor or ignores voiceover cursor

2022-03-13 Thread Greg Wocher 
Hello,
It's probably best to set it to ignores VO cursor. There are times where it is 
beneficial to not have the mouse cursor follow the VO cursor. An example of 
this is the Amazon website. If the mouse cursor is set to follow the VO cursor 
it can cause all kinds of issues with the Amazon site. There is also a command 
to move the mouse cursor to the VO cursor so ignoring is probably best.

Greg Wocher


> On Mar 13, 2022, at 9:47 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi,
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> The subject explains my dilemma.  Is it better to set mouse cursorr to ignore 
> voiceover cursor or follow it?  What is your experience.  I’d appreciate your 
> comments.
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Mouse cursor follows voiceover cursor or ignores voiceover cursor

2022-03-13 Thread 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
Hi,

The subject explains my dilemma.  Is it better to set mouse cursorr to ignore 
voiceover cursor or follow it?  What is your experience.  I’d appreciate your 
comments.

Andrew

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