Using Ms office 2016 in my mac

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all:

don't know if this the right decision or not, but I decided to use the
Ms Office 2016 on mac or windows  to write down and finish my PHD
research.

- Is tehere any good book or podcast that explain the app from a voice
over prospective?
I have many reasons  which push me to take this decision:
1- If I  Need any help in using pages, with some Arabic minor
problems, don't think that anyone can ehlp me.
2- When converting the Pages document to docx file, some times, the
format changes, and some times I need to do thos, to let a sited
people look to see if I'm doing ok or not.
3- I'm not so familiar with ms 2016  products, bu the Office in
general is not  so strange for me. the pages, after Reading the Mymac
pages, it seems very easy, but when using the Arabic letters,
don't know the results.
4- In some situations,  our Uinversity asks  us to use strange
styloes, and don't know if I can achieve them using Ms Pages or not

THanks for reading, and correct me if I'm wrong.



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Re: Pages or OFfice 2016, need your advice

[Brian Howerton]

Great, Thanks Anne.  I will read up on these sections.  I appreciate it.
Brian
> On Jul 3, 2016, at 3:27 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Brian,
> 
> The best way to go about what you want to do is to create a template for 
> Terabian format. This template would include all the paragraph styles you 
> need with shortcuts to save you time and effort. There are explanations how 
> to create your own templates in chapters 6 Document Setup, 8 Saving, 
> Exporting and Printing Documents, 9 Paragraph Styles, 16 Making Placeholder 
> Text, 26 Creating a blank document template, and 30 Uses for Templates.
> It might take some time to get the template right, but it will save you a lot 
> of time in the end.
> If you find it too difficult, I’m sure we can help you out.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> . . 
> 
>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 19:19, Brian Howerton > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Anne,
>> I have the mac pages book that you wrote, and I had a question on styles.  
>> Can we create our own paragraph styles in pages?  For example, my papers for 
>> grad school need to be written in Terabian format, and so they have 
>> particular ways that headings need to look, so can I create my own heading 1 
>> paragraph style or do you have to modify the styles that are already there.  
>> Hope this makes sense.  Thanks for the awesome book!
>> Brian
>>> On Jul 2, 2016, at 9:16 AM, Anne Robertson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Ramy,
>>> 
>>> I don’t know whether you can easily do the things you need to do using Word 
>>> 2016 for Mac, but they can all be done using Pages.
>>> Along with my husband, Archie, I wrote a book on Pages which explains how 
>>> to do all the things you need. You can buy it for $35 US from:
>>> >
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 2 Jul 2016, at 14:19, Ramy Moustafa >>> > wrote:
 
 Hello all:
 
 after i finish my master, on windows, i decided to use my mac for any
 future researches.
 i was using an old version of office  because i can do everything that
 i need. but i need to update.
 so, what is your recommendation? in the 2 cases i will start learning
 on mac, but what is the best to study, pages or office on mac?
 i need some complex issues, like creating styles,
 using foot notes, incerting tables, etc, not just writing a simple 
 document.
 so any help will be highly abbrecitated to guide me on my future use of 
 mac.
 Thanks
 
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Re: Pages or OFfice 2016, need your advice

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Brian,

The best way to go about what you want to do is to create a template for 
Terabian format. This template would include all the paragraph styles you need 
with shortcuts to save you time and effort. There are explanations how to 
create your own templates in chapters 6 Document Setup, 8 Saving, Exporting and 
Printing Documents, 9 Paragraph Styles, 16 Making Placeholder Text, 26 Creating 
a blank document template, and 30 Uses for Templates.
It might take some time to get the template right, but it will save you a lot 
of time in the end.
If you find it too difficult, I’m sure we can help you out.

Cheers,

Anne

. . 

> On 2 Jul 2016, at 19:19, Brian Howerton  wrote:
> 
> Hello Anne,
> I have the mac pages book that you wrote, and I had a question on styles.  
> Can we create our own paragraph styles in pages?  For example, my papers for 
> grad school need to be written in Terabian format, and so they have 
> particular ways that headings need to look, so can I create my own heading 1 
> paragraph style or do you have to modify the styles that are already there.  
> Hope this makes sense.  Thanks for the awesome book!
> Brian
>> On Jul 2, 2016, at 9:16 AM, Anne Robertson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Ramy,
>> 
>> I don’t know whether you can easily do the things you need to do using Word 
>> 2016 for Mac, but they can all be done using Pages.
>> Along with my husband, Archie, I wrote a book on Pages which explains how to 
>> do all the things you need. You can buy it for $35 US from:
>> >
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 14:19, Ramy Moustafa >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all:
>>> 
>>> after i finish my master, on windows, i decided to use my mac for any
>>> future researches.
>>> i was using an old version of office  because i can do everything that
>>> i need. but i need to update.
>>> so, what is your recommendation? in the 2 cases i will start learning
>>> on mac, but what is the best to study, pages or office on mac?
>>> i need some complex issues, like creating styles,
>>> using foot notes, incerting tables, etc, not just writing a simple document.
>>> so any help will be highly abbrecitated to guide me on my future use of mac.
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Ramy MoustafaSaber
>>> Music instructor @:
>>> Faculty ofmusical education
>>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>>> Harmony Recording Studio
>>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg 
>>> 
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Re: Pages or OFfice 2016, need your advice

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Ramy,

No, the book is only available from Jonathan Mosen’s site.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 2 Jul 2016, at 19:07, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello anne
> Do u sell i it on another site? 
> 
> Ramy moustafa saber
> Musicc instructor at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 2, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Anne Robertson  > wrote:
> 
>> Hello Ramy,
>> 
>> I don’t know whether you can easily do the things you need to do using Word 
>> 2016 for Mac, but they can all be done using Pages.
>> Along with my husband, Archie, I wrote a book on Pages which explains how to 
>> do all the things you need. You can buy it for $35 US from:
>> >
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 14:19, Ramy Moustafa >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all:
>>> 
>>> after i finish my master, on windows, i decided to use my mac for any
>>> future researches.
>>> i was using an old version of office  because i can do everything that
>>> i need. but i need to update.
>>> so, what is your recommendation? in the 2 cases i will start learning
>>> on mac, but what is the best to study, pages or office on mac?
>>> i need some complex issues, like creating styles,
>>> using foot notes, incerting tables, etc, not just writing a simple document.
>>> so any help will be highly abbrecitated to guide me on my future use of mac.
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Ramy MoustafaSaber
>>> Music instructor @:
>>> Faculty ofmusical education
>>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>>> Harmony Recording Studio
>>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg 
>>> 
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Re: Pages or OFfice 2016, need your advice

[Brian Howerton]

Hello Anne,
I have the mac pages book that you wrote, and I had a question on styles.  Can 
we create our own paragraph styles in pages?  For example, my papers for grad 
school need to be written in Terabian format, and so they have particular ways 
that headings need to look, so can I create my own heading 1 paragraph style or 
do you have to modify the styles that are already there.  Hope this makes 
sense.  Thanks for the awesome book!
Brian
> On Jul 2, 2016, at 9:16 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Ramy,
> 
> I don’t know whether you can easily do the things you need to do using Word 
> 2016 for Mac, but they can all be done using Pages.
> Along with my husband, Archie, I wrote a book on Pages which explains how to 
> do all the things you need. You can buy it for $35 US from:
> >
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 14:19, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all:
>> 
>> after i finish my master, on windows, i decided to use my mac for any
>> future researches.
>> i was using an old version of office  because i can do everything that
>> i need. but i need to update.
>> so, what is your recommendation? in the 2 cases i will start learning
>> on mac, but what is the best to study, pages or office on mac?
>> i need some complex issues, like creating styles,
>> using foot notes, incerting tables, etc, not just writing a simple document.
>> so any help will be highly abbrecitated to guide me on my future use of mac.
>> Thanks
>> 
>> -- 
>> Ramy MoustafaSaber
>> Music instructor @:
>> Faculty ofmusical education
>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>> Harmony Recording Studio
>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg 
>> 
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Re: Pages or OFfice 2016, need your advice

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello anne
Do u sell i it on another site? 

Ramy moustafa saber
Musicc instructor at:
faculty of musical education
music arranger and sound engineer
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 2, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Ramy,
> 
> I don’t know whether you can easily do the things you need to do using Word 
> 2016 for Mac, but they can all be done using Pages.
> Along with my husband, Archie, I wrote a book on Pages which explains how to 
> do all the things you need. You can buy it for $35 US from:
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 14:19, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all:
>> 
>> after i finish my master, on windows, i decided to use my mac for any
>> future researches.
>> i was using an old version of office  because i can do everything that
>> i need. but i need to update.
>> so, what is your recommendation? in the 2 cases i will start learning
>> on mac, but what is the best to study, pages or office on mac?
>> i need some complex issues, like creating styles,
>> using foot notes, incerting tables, etc, not just writing a simple document.
>> so any help will be highly abbrecitated to guide me on my future use of mac.
>> Thanks
>> 
>> -- 
>> Ramy MoustafaSaber
>> Music instructor @:
>> Faculty ofmusical education
>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>> Harmony Recording Studio
>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg
>> 
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Re: Pages or OFfice 2016, need your advice

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Pages is better for accessibility than Word.  Office 2016 has improved by leaps 
and bounds over previous Office products, but I believe that Pages is still 
better in the accessibility realm.  Regarding moving back and forth between 
Pages and Word Docs, Pages will open Word docs and retain formatting, and Pages 
has the feature set to export to Word, again retaining the formatting.  Realize 
that this is Pages, not Word, so there is translation of formats, so 
translation isn't always perfect.  It does very well, though, as far as I'm 
aware.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 2, 2016, at 09:39, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hello Anne:
I was  using office 2003 on windows, a very old app i know, but this
is the one that i know quite god.
so now, before starting to study Word 2016 on mac, is it better or
pages, specially for accessibility?


On 7/2/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> If a person writes a document in Pages, can a person using Word open it and
> everything will appear as it appeared in Pages?  Or, can a person open a
> complex Word document in Pages and its formatting will be preserved? I
> thought both parties had to use the same word processor to preserve all the
> formatting.   If I were still writing college level papers, I would have
> stuck with windows and word, being that is what everybody else would be
> using.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
>  - Original Message -
>  From: Anne Robertson
>  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 9:16 AM
>  Subject: Re: Pages or OFfice 2016, need your advice
> 
> 
>  Hello Ramy,
> 
> 
>  I don’t know whether you can easily do the things you need to do using
> Word 2016 for Mac, but they can all be done using Pages.
>  Along with my husband, Archie, I wrote a book on Pages which explains how
> to do all the things you need. You can buy it for $35 US from:
>  <http://mosen.org/mymacpages/>
> 
> 
>  Cheers,
> 
> 
>  Anne
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>On 2 Jul 2016, at 14:19, Ramy Moustafa 
> wrote:
> 
> 
>Hello all:
> 
>after i finish my master, on windows, i decided to use my mac for any
>future researches.
>i was using an old version of office  because i can do everything that
>i need. but i need to update.
>so, what is your recommendation? in the 2 cases i will start learning
>on mac, but what is the best to study, pages or office on mac?
>i need some complex issues, like creating styles,
>using foot notes, incerting tables, etc, not just writing a simple
> document.
>so any help will be highly abbrecitated to guide me on my future use of
> mac.
>Thanks
> 
>--
>Ramy MoustafaSaber
>Music instructor @:
>Faculty ofmusical education
>Music arranger and Sound engineer @:
>Harmony Recording Studio
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Re: Pages or OFfice 2016, need your advice

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello Anne:
I was  using office 2003 on windows, a very old app i know, but this
is the one that i know quite god.
so now, before starting to study Word 2016 on mac, is it better or
pages, specially for accessibility?


On 7/2/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> If a person writes a document in Pages, can a person using Word open it and
> everything will appear as it appeared in Pages?  Or, can a person open a
> complex Word document in Pages and its formatting will be preserved? I
> thought both parties had to use the same word processor to preserve all the
> formatting.   If I were still writing college level papers, I would have
> stuck with windows and word, being that is what everybody else would be
> using.
>
> Arnold Schmidt
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Anne Robertson
>   To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 9:16 AM
>   Subject: Re: Pages or OFfice 2016, need your advice
>
>
>   Hello Ramy,
>
>
>   I don’t know whether you can easily do the things you need to do using
> Word 2016 for Mac, but they can all be done using Pages.
>   Along with my husband, Archie, I wrote a book on Pages which explains how
> to do all the things you need. You can buy it for $35 US from:
>   <http://mosen.org/mymacpages/>
>
>
>   Cheers,
>
>
>   Anne
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2 Jul 2016, at 14:19, Ramy Moustafa 
> wrote:
>
>
> Hello all:
>
> after i finish my master, on windows, i decided to use my mac for any
> future researches.
> i was using an old version of office  because i can do everything that
> i need. but i need to update.
> so, what is your recommendation? in the 2 cases i will start learning
> on mac, but what is the best to study, pages or office on mac?
> i need some complex issues, like creating styles,
> using foot notes, incerting tables, etc, not just writing a simple
> document.
> so any help will be highly abbrecitated to guide me on my future use of
> mac.
> Thanks
>
> --
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Re: Pages or OFfice 2016, need your advice

[Arnold Schmidt]

If a person writes a document in Pages, can a person using Word open it and 
everything will appear as it appeared in Pages?  Or, can a person open a 
complex Word document in Pages and its formatting will be preserved? I thought 
both parties had to use the same word processor to preserve all the formatting. 
  If I were still writing college level papers, I would have stuck with windows 
and word, being that is what everybody else would be using.

Arnold Schmidt 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Anne Robertson 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 9:16 AM
  Subject: Re: Pages or OFfice 2016, need your advice


  Hello Ramy,


  I don’t know whether you can easily do the things you need to do using Word 
2016 for Mac, but they can all be done using Pages.
  Along with my husband, Archie, I wrote a book on Pages which explains how to 
do all the things you need. You can buy it for $35 US from:
  <http://mosen.org/mymacpages/>


  Cheers,


  Anne






On 2 Jul 2016, at 14:19, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:


Hello all:

after i finish my master, on windows, i decided to use my mac for any
future researches.
i was using an old version of office  because i can do everything that
i need. but i need to update.
so, what is your recommendation? in the 2 cases i will start learning
on mac, but what is the best to study, pages or office on mac?
i need some complex issues, like creating styles,
using foot notes, incerting tables, etc, not just writing a simple document.
so any help will be highly abbrecitated to guide me on my future use of mac.
Thanks

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Re: Pages or OFfice 2016, need your advice

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Ramy,

I don’t know whether you can easily do the things you need to do using Word 
2016 for Mac, but they can all be done using Pages.
Along with my husband, Archie, I wrote a book on Pages which explains how to do 
all the things you need. You can buy it for $35 US from:
>

Cheers,

Anne



> On 2 Jul 2016, at 14:19, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello all:
> 
> after i finish my master, on windows, i decided to use my mac for any
> future researches.
> i was using an old version of office  because i can do everything that
> i need. but i need to update.
> so, what is your recommendation? in the 2 cases i will start learning
> on mac, but what is the best to study, pages or office on mac?
> i need some complex issues, like creating styles,
> using foot notes, incerting tables, etc, not just writing a simple document.
> so any help will be highly abbrecitated to guide me on my future use of mac.
> Thanks
> 
> -- 
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Pages or OFfice 2016, need your advice

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all:

after i finish my master, on windows, i decided to use my mac for any
future researches.
i was using an old version of office  because i can do everything that
i need. but i need to update.
so, what is your recommendation? in the 2 cases i will start learning
on mac, but what is the best to study, pages or office on mac?
i need some complex issues, like creating styles,
using foot notes, incerting tables, etc, not just writing a simple document.
so any help will be highly abbrecitated to guide me on my future use of mac.
Thanks

-- 
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Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[Scott Granados]

Office is running well here on a brand new Mac running El Capitan 


On 6/4/16, 11:59 AM, "Cheree Heppe"  wrote:

>Cheree Heppe here:
>I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
>It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft cosmology, 
>while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition of blindness and 
>make directors and managers comfortable around blindness, work for what looks 
>modern, without letting the function paradigm trouble the waters overly much.
>Universal accessibility for them becomes a floating, situational impediment 
>instead of a standard.
>Of course, such dodging and compromising significantly impacts consumer 
>productivity, giving blind users who pay full price for such programs as 
>Microsoft's offerings, three-fifths of the access.
>
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 18:26, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Glad it works for you. :)
>> Just FYI, if you go to the Help menu in any of the Office Apps and type 
>> “Accessibility” in the search box, you will get a page telling about all the 
>> Accessibility features in each Office app, and what works and what doesn’t 
>> currently work, if anything, with assistive technology, including VoiceOver, 
>> in this case.
>> Hope this helps,
>> Jeffrey
>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My bad as for some reason it took awhile for th first excel doc to open. 
>>> Strange as it was an image for five minutes then the doc appeared. 
>>> Definitely weird, but seems to be working now.
>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hey all,
>>>> 
>>>> Curious as I thought I had read that Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was 
>>>> accessible? I am running the latest build of El Cap, and I got everything 
>>>> installed, and just tried opening a excel document and all VoiceOVer keeps 
>>>> reading is image image image. Nothing will get me out of it not return, VO 
>>>> space, tab. Any ideas? Thanks,
>>>> 
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Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[Brian Fischler]

Thanks for the tip to type accessibility in to help will check that out. You 
think that Microsoft employee was bad. In 2010 when I got my first iMac the 
Apple store employee sold me Office 2010 claiming it worked with VO. I spent 
about a week pulling my hair out trying to figure it out only to find out that 
no Office 2010 did not work with VO, and of course Apple did not give me money 
back. Since I had to learn a screen reader I stuck with the Mac, but that was 
not a great start with Apple. It seems the employees in the stores are much 
more knowledgable of VO these days. One thing that bummed me out is I just got 
a new iMac and Numbers is having the same VO bugs that my old system had which 
I assumed were machine specific. Funny one computer running El Cap and the 
other Yosemite and the same issues. The two main issues which have killed 
Numbers for me is navigating large spreadsheets and I can be in row 75 and move 
up a few rows and VO jumps focus to the top row, so then I get the fun of 
arrowing down 75 rows to get back to where I was. Only happens when going up 
not down but a total deal breaker. The other issue is Numbers seems to 
duplicate multiple versions of my spreadsheet but not all the info is in every 
version. I have spent hours going over this with Apple Accessibility and they 
kicked it up to engineering and told me they would get back to me, but never 
heard anything. Oh well.
> On Jun 5, 2016, at 10:45 AM, matthew dyer  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes I have office 2016 for mac installed here and outlook at least works fine 
> have not tried any of the other apps.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> On 06/04/2016 07:42 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> Hi Ladies,
>> 
>> Tha'ts officece 2011 for the mac and office 2013 for the windows platform.
>> 
>>  No office 2011 and earlier versions of office on the mac were not 
>> accessible with voiceover,
>>  Office 2016 is meant to be accessible but I've not tried it myself,
>> 
>>  The issues were due I believe to how the mac versions of office were coded, 
>> MS hadn't taken accessibility in to account.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Sunday, 5 June 2016 4:05 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be 
>> accessible
>> 
>>  There was never any claim made for the accessibility of office 2013 on the 
>> Mac. Unless you misspoke and meant  2016, your complaint has no basis in 
>> reality, since the inaccessibility of all previous office versions on the 
>> Mac was well known and much complain about.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Cheree Heppe here:
>>> I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
>>> It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft cosmology, 
>>> while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition of blindness 
>>> and make directors and managers comfortable around blindness, work for what 
>>> looks modern, without letting the function paradigm trouble the waters 
>>> overly much.
>>> Universal accessibility for them becomes a floating, situational impediment 
>>> instead of a standard.
>>> Of course, such dodging and compromising significantly impacts consumer 
>>> productivity, giving blind users who pay full price for such programs as 
>>> Microsoft's offerings, three-fifths of the access.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 18:26, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Glad it works for you. :)
>>>> Just FYI, if you go to the Help menu in any of the Office Apps and type 
>>>> “Accessibility” in the search box, you will get a page telling about all 
>>>> the Accessibility features in each Office app, and what works and what 
>>>> doesn’t currently work, if anything, with assistive technology, including 
>>>> VoiceOver, in this case.
>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>> Jeffrey
>>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> My bad as for some reason it took awhile for th first excel doc to open. 
>>>>> Strange as it was an image for five minutes then the doc appeared. 
>>>>> Definitely weird, but seems to be working now.
>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote

Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[matthew dyer]

Hi,

Yes I have office 2016 for mac installed here and outlook at least works 
fine have not tried any of the other apps.


Matthew



On 06/04/2016 07:42 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Hi Ladies,

Tha'ts officece 2011 for the mac and office 2013 for the windows platform.

  No office 2011 and earlier versions of office on the mac were not accessible 
with voiceover,
  Office 2016 is meant to be accessible but I've not tried it myself,

  The issues were due I believe to how the mac versions of office were coded, 
MS hadn't taken accessibility in to account.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, 5 June 2016 4:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be 
accessible

  There was never any claim made for the accessibility of office 2013 on the 
Mac. Unless you misspoke and meant  2016, your complaint has no basis in 
reality, since the inaccessibility of all previous office versions on the Mac 
was well known and much complain about.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:

Cheree Heppe here:
I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft cosmology, 
while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition of blindness and 
make directors and managers comfortable around blindness, work for what looks 
modern, without letting the function paradigm trouble the waters overly much.
Universal accessibility for them becomes a floating, situational impediment 
instead of a standard.
Of course, such dodging and compromising significantly impacts consumer 
productivity, giving blind users who pay full price for such programs as 
Microsoft's offerings, three-fifths of the access.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 3, 2016, at 18:26, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:

Hi,
Glad it works for you. :)
Just FYI, if you go to the Help menu in any of the Office Apps and type 
“Accessibility” in the search box, you will get a page telling about all the 
Accessibility features in each Office app, and what works and what doesn’t 
currently work, if anything, with assistive technology, including VoiceOver, in 
this case.
Hope this helps,
Jeffrey

On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

My bad as for some reason it took awhile for th first excel doc to open. 
Strange as it was an image for five minutes then the doc appeared. Definitely 
weird, but seems to be working now.

On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

Hey all,

Curious as I thought I had read that Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was 
accessible? I am running the latest build of El Cap, and I got everything 
installed, and just tried opening a excel document and all VoiceOVer keeps 
reading is image image image. Nothing will get me out of it not return, VO 
space, tab. Any ideas? Thanks,

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Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[sadam ahmed]

Hi Brian,

Your able to create paragraphs and other stuff.

I did download from the App Store.

Another thing to consider is Pages.

Not sure about a guide as such.

All the best,

Sadam Ahmed

On 5/06/2016 11:30 AM, Brian Howerton wrote:

Thanks for this man, I appreciate it.  Did you download from the mac app store 
or from their website?  I did download it, but the only thing that I saw that 
was dimmed was the footnote feature.  Thought that was strange though, but 
didn’t know if you could shed any light on this.  I’ve just been having a look 
around.  Looks very accessible with voiceover.  I am assuming that I can go 
ahead and hide the ruler since it looks like every thing you need is in the 
menus.  Are you able to actually create your own paragraph styles like you 
could in microsoft word?  For example, for my papers in college, I have to 
write in Terabian format, so was wondering if I could create paragraph styles 
for my default paragraph style and also for my heading styles and things like 
that.  For citations and bibliographies, I am assuming that you have to 
manually create your own citations and bibliography/works cited page.  Looks 
very good though with voiceover.  I was very impressed.  I could see myself 
using this over pages possibly.  Is there a manual to learn how to use the word 
processor?  I read the read me first document, but was curious to see if there 
was a manual for learning how to use it.  Thanks for recommending and turning 
me on to this.  I had never heard of it before.  Much appreciated.
Brian

On Jun 4, 2016, at 9:22 PM, sadam ahmed  wrote:


Hi Brian,

iText Express will do what you want.

I too use it for college.

Here's the Mac App Store description:

iText Express is a cute, intuitive, and refined text editor with simple word 
processing completely rewritten in Cocoa. iText Express provides the simplest 
way to make gorgeous manuscripts on your Mac!

iText Express has lots of functional and attractive features it shares with 
word processor, besides giving good vibes by fully complying with Mac OS X. 
iText Express blends seamlessly into the OS X environment, and will continue to 
grow with the power of Mac OS X.

iText Express follows the original simplicity of Macs, and perfectly covers 
every feature of TextEdit basics and Microsoft(R) Word compatibility as well.

iText Express even supports still more lovely features including header/footer, 
footnotes/endnotes, page layout and numbers, multiple columns, hyperlinks, 
bookmarks, and vertical writing, yet is so much easier to use.

iText Express will definitely make your writing a pleasure. Remarkable for 
anyone who expects a reliable simple word processor for Mac OS X

Any more questions feel free to write back.

All the best,

Sadam Ahmed
On 5/06/2016 10:55 AM, Brian Howerton wrote:

Hi Sadam,
I am trying to learn pages myself, but can you tell me a little more about 
Itext express?  I am assuming that it is another word processor option.  
Currently, I am in grad school right now, and am looking for something that 
will allow me to do pretty advanced formatting for papers such as foot notes 
and citations and bibliographies, like I said I do know that pages will work 
for me, but was just curious to hear about this option.  Thanks so much,
Brian

On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:32 PM, sadam ahmed  wrote:


Hi,

Office on the Mac is accessible however no where as good as the Windows version.

There always going to prioritize the   Windows client first.

For working with documents I use the excellent Pages or iText express.

Kind regards,

Sadam Ahmed

On 5/06/2016 9:42 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Hi Ladies,

Tha'ts officece 2011 for the mac and office 2013 for the windows platform.

  No office 2011 and earlier versions of office on the mac were not accessible 
with voiceover,
  Office 2016 is meant to be accessible but I've not tried it myself,

  The issues were due I believe to how the mac versions of office were coded, 
MS hadn't taken accessibility in to account.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, 5 June 2016 4:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be 
accessible

  There was never any claim made for the accessibility of office 2013 on the 
Mac. Unless you misspoke and meant  2016, your complaint has no basis in 
reality, since the inaccessibility of all previous office versions on the Mac 
was well known and much complain about.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:

Cheree Heppe here:
I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft cosmology, 
while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition of blindness and 
make directors and managers comfortable around blindness, wo

Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[Brian Howerton]

Thanks for this man, I appreciate it.  Did you download from the mac app store 
or from their website?  I did download it, but the only thing that I saw that 
was dimmed was the footnote feature.  Thought that was strange though, but 
didn’t know if you could shed any light on this.  I’ve just been having a look 
around.  Looks very accessible with voiceover.  I am assuming that I can go 
ahead and hide the ruler since it looks like every thing you need is in the 
menus.  Are you able to actually create your own paragraph styles like you 
could in microsoft word?  For example, for my papers in college, I have to 
write in Terabian format, so was wondering if I could create paragraph styles 
for my default paragraph style and also for my heading styles and things like 
that.  For citations and bibliographies, I am assuming that you have to 
manually create your own citations and bibliography/works cited page.  Looks 
very good though with voiceover.  I was very impressed.  I could see myself 
using this over pages possibly.  Is there a manual to learn how to use the word 
processor?  I read the read me first document, but was curious to see if there 
was a manual for learning how to use it.  Thanks for recommending and turning 
me on to this.  I had never heard of it before.  Much appreciated.
Brian
> On Jun 4, 2016, at 9:22 PM, sadam ahmed  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Brian,
> 
> iText Express will do what you want.
> 
> I too use it for college.
> 
> Here's the Mac App Store description:
> 
> iText Express is a cute, intuitive, and refined text editor with simple word 
> processing completely rewritten in Cocoa. iText Express provides the simplest 
> way to make gorgeous manuscripts on your Mac!
> 
> iText Express has lots of functional and attractive features it shares with 
> word processor, besides giving good vibes by fully complying with Mac OS X. 
> iText Express blends seamlessly into the OS X environment, and will continue 
> to grow with the power of Mac OS X.
> 
> iText Express follows the original simplicity of Macs, and perfectly covers 
> every feature of TextEdit basics and Microsoft(R) Word compatibility as well.
> 
> iText Express even supports still more lovely features including 
> header/footer, footnotes/endnotes, page layout and numbers, multiple columns, 
> hyperlinks, bookmarks, and vertical writing, yet is so much easier to use.
> 
> iText Express will definitely make your writing a pleasure. Remarkable for 
> anyone who expects a reliable simple word processor for Mac OS X
> 
> Any more questions feel free to write back.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Sadam Ahmed
> On 5/06/2016 10:55 AM, Brian Howerton wrote:
>> Hi Sadam,
>> I am trying to learn pages myself, but can you tell me a little more about 
>> Itext express?  I am assuming that it is another word processor option.  
>> Currently, I am in grad school right now, and am looking for something that 
>> will allow me to do pretty advanced formatting for papers such as foot notes 
>> and citations and bibliographies, like I said I do know that pages will work 
>> for me, but was just curious to hear about this option.  Thanks so much,
>> Brian
>>> On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:32 PM, sadam ahmed  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Office on the Mac is accessible however no where as good as the Windows 
>>> version.
>>> 
>>> There always going to prioritize the   Windows client first.
>>> 
>>> For working with documents I use the excellent Pages or iText express.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> Sadam Ahmed
>>> 
>>> On 5/06/2016 9:42 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>> Hi Ladies,
>>>> 
>>>> Tha'ts officece 2011 for the mac and office 2013 for the windows platform.
>>>> 
>>>>  No office 2011 and earlier versions of office on the mac were not 
>>>> accessible with voiceover,
>>>>  Office 2016 is meant to be accessible but I've not tried it myself,
>>>> 
>>>>  The issues were due I believe to how the mac versions of office were 
>>>> coded, MS hadn't taken accessibility in to account.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>>>> Sent: Sunday, 5 June 2016 4:05 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be 
>>>> accessible
>>>> 
>>>>  There was never any claim made for the accessibility of office 2013 on 
>>>> the

Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[sadam ahmed]

Hi Brian,

iText Express will do what you want.

I too use it for college.

Here's the Mac App Store description:

iText Express is a cute, intuitive, and refined text editor with simple 
word processing completely rewritten in Cocoa. iText Express provides 
the simplest way to make gorgeous manuscripts on your Mac!


iText Express has lots of functional and attractive features it shares 
with word processor, besides giving good vibes by fully complying with 
Mac OS X. iText Express blends seamlessly into the OS X environment, and 
will continue to grow with the power of Mac OS X.


iText Express follows the original simplicity of Macs, and perfectly 
covers every feature of TextEdit basics and Microsoft(R) Word 
compatibility as well.


iText Express even supports still more lovely features including 
header/footer, footnotes/endnotes, page layout and numbers, multiple 
columns, hyperlinks, bookmarks, and vertical writing, yet is so much 
easier to use.


iText Express will definitely make your writing a pleasure. Remarkable 
for anyone who expects a reliable simple word processor for Mac OS X


Any more questions feel free to write back.

All the best,

Sadam Ahmed
On 5/06/2016 10:55 AM, Brian Howerton wrote:

Hi Sadam,
I am trying to learn pages myself, but can you tell me a little more about 
Itext express?  I am assuming that it is another word processor option.  
Currently, I am in grad school right now, and am looking for something that 
will allow me to do pretty advanced formatting for papers such as foot notes 
and citations and bibliographies, like I said I do know that pages will work 
for me, but was just curious to hear about this option.  Thanks so much,
Brian

On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:32 PM, sadam ahmed  wrote:


Hi,

Office on the Mac is accessible however no where as good as the Windows version.

There always going to prioritize the   Windows client first.

For working with documents I use the excellent Pages or iText express.

Kind regards,

Sadam Ahmed

On 5/06/2016 9:42 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Hi Ladies,

Tha'ts officece 2011 for the mac and office 2013 for the windows platform.

  No office 2011 and earlier versions of office on the mac were not accessible 
with voiceover,
  Office 2016 is meant to be accessible but I've not tried it myself,

  The issues were due I believe to how the mac versions of office were coded, 
MS hadn't taken accessibility in to account.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, 5 June 2016 4:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be 
accessible

  There was never any claim made for the accessibility of office 2013 on the 
Mac. Unless you misspoke and meant  2016, your complaint has no basis in 
reality, since the inaccessibility of all previous office versions on the Mac 
was well known and much complain about.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:

Cheree Heppe here:
I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft cosmology, 
while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition of blindness and 
make directors and managers comfortable around blindness, work for what looks 
modern, without letting the function paradigm trouble the waters overly much.
Universal accessibility for them becomes a floating, situational impediment 
instead of a standard.
Of course, such dodging and compromising significantly impacts consumer 
productivity, giving blind users who pay full price for such programs as 
Microsoft's offerings, three-fifths of the access.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 3, 2016, at 18:26, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:

Hi,
Glad it works for you. :)
Just FYI, if you go to the Help menu in any of the Office Apps and type 
“Accessibility” in the search box, you will get a page telling about all the 
Accessibility features in each Office app, and what works and what doesn’t 
currently work, if anything, with assistive technology, including VoiceOver, in 
this case.
Hope this helps,
Jeffrey

On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

My bad as for some reason it took awhile for th first excel doc to open. 
Strange as it was an image for five minutes then the doc appeared. Definitely 
weird, but seems to be working now.

On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

Hey all,

Curious as I thought I had read that Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was 
accessible? I am running the latest build of El Cap, and I got everything 
installed, and just tried opening a excel document and all VoiceOVer keeps 
reading is image image image. Nothing will get me out of it not return, VO 
space, tab. Any ideas? Thanks,

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Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[Brian Howerton]

Hi Sadam,
I am trying to learn pages myself, but can you tell me a little more about 
Itext express?  I am assuming that it is another word processor option.  
Currently, I am in grad school right now, and am looking for something that 
will allow me to do pretty advanced formatting for papers such as foot notes 
and citations and bibliographies, like I said I do know that pages will work 
for me, but was just curious to hear about this option.  Thanks so much,
Brian
> On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:32 PM, sadam ahmed  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Office on the Mac is accessible however no where as good as the Windows 
> version.
> 
> There always going to prioritize the   Windows client first.
> 
> For working with documents I use the excellent Pages or iText express.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Sadam Ahmed
> 
> On 5/06/2016 9:42 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> Hi Ladies,
>> 
>> Tha'ts officece 2011 for the mac and office 2013 for the windows platform.
>> 
>>  No office 2011 and earlier versions of office on the mac were not 
>> accessible with voiceover,
>>  Office 2016 is meant to be accessible but I've not tried it myself,
>> 
>>  The issues were due I believe to how the mac versions of office were coded, 
>> MS hadn't taken accessibility in to account.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Sunday, 5 June 2016 4:05 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be 
>> accessible
>> 
>>  There was never any claim made for the accessibility of office 2013 on the 
>> Mac. Unless you misspoke and meant  2016, your complaint has no basis in 
>> reality, since the inaccessibility of all previous office versions on the 
>> Mac was well known and much complain about.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Cheree Heppe here:
>>> I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
>>> It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft cosmology, 
>>> while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition of blindness 
>>> and make directors and managers comfortable around blindness, work for what 
>>> looks modern, without letting the function paradigm trouble the waters 
>>> overly much.
>>> Universal accessibility for them becomes a floating, situational impediment 
>>> instead of a standard.
>>> Of course, such dodging and compromising significantly impacts consumer 
>>> productivity, giving blind users who pay full price for such programs as 
>>> Microsoft's offerings, three-fifths of the access.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 18:26, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Glad it works for you. :)
>>>> Just FYI, if you go to the Help menu in any of the Office Apps and type 
>>>> “Accessibility” in the search box, you will get a page telling about all 
>>>> the Accessibility features in each Office app, and what works and what 
>>>> doesn’t currently work, if anything, with assistive technology, including 
>>>> VoiceOver, in this case.
>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>> Jeffrey
>>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> My bad as for some reason it took awhile for th first excel doc to open. 
>>>>> Strange as it was an image for five minutes then the doc appeared. 
>>>>> Definitely weird, but seems to be working now.
>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Curious as I thought I had read that Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was 
>>>>>> accessible? I am running the latest build of El Cap, and I got 
>>>>>> everything installed, and just tried opening a excel document and all 
>>>>>> VoiceOVer keeps reading is image image image. Nothing will get me out of 
>>>>>> it not return, VO space, tab. Any ideas? Thanks,
>>>>>> 
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Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[sadam ahmed]

Hi,

Office on the Mac is accessible however no where as good as the Windows 
version.


There always going to prioritize the   Windows client first.

For working with documents I use the excellent Pages or iText express.

Kind regards,

Sadam Ahmed

On 5/06/2016 9:42 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Hi Ladies,

Tha'ts officece 2011 for the mac and office 2013 for the windows platform.

  No office 2011 and earlier versions of office on the mac were not accessible 
with voiceover,
  Office 2016 is meant to be accessible but I've not tried it myself,

  The issues were due I believe to how the mac versions of office were coded, 
MS hadn't taken accessibility in to account.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, 5 June 2016 4:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be 
accessible

  There was never any claim made for the accessibility of office 2013 on the 
Mac. Unless you misspoke and meant  2016, your complaint has no basis in 
reality, since the inaccessibility of all previous office versions on the Mac 
was well known and much complain about.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:

Cheree Heppe here:
I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft cosmology, 
while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition of blindness and 
make directors and managers comfortable around blindness, work for what looks 
modern, without letting the function paradigm trouble the waters overly much.
Universal accessibility for them becomes a floating, situational impediment 
instead of a standard.
Of course, such dodging and compromising significantly impacts consumer 
productivity, giving blind users who pay full price for such programs as 
Microsoft's offerings, three-fifths of the access.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 3, 2016, at 18:26, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:

Hi,
Glad it works for you. :)
Just FYI, if you go to the Help menu in any of the Office Apps and type 
“Accessibility” in the search box, you will get a page telling about all the 
Accessibility features in each Office app, and what works and what doesn’t 
currently work, if anything, with assistive technology, including VoiceOver, in 
this case.
Hope this helps,
Jeffrey

On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

My bad as for some reason it took awhile for th first excel doc to open. 
Strange as it was an image for five minutes then the doc appeared. Definitely 
weird, but seems to be working now.

On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

Hey all,

Curious as I thought I had read that Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was 
accessible? I am running the latest build of El Cap, and I got everything 
installed, and just tried opening a excel document and all VoiceOVer keeps 
reading is image image image. Nothing will get me out of it not return, VO 
space, tab. Any ideas? Thanks,

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RE: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Cheree,

 Not misled but more like uninformed about accessibility issues, 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Cheree Heppe
Sent: Sunday, 5 June 2016 4:25 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be 
accessible

Cheree Heppe here:
That's not what the Microsoft reps who sold me the MS Office product said.
Apparently, they had also been mis-led.

Regards,
Cheree Heppe


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 4, 2016, at 09:04, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> There was never any claim made for the accessibility of office 2013 on the 
> Mac. Unless you misspoke and meant  2016, your complaint has no basis in 
> reality, since the inaccessibility of all previous office versions on the Mac 
> was well known and much complain about.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
>> 
>> Cheree Heppe here:
>> I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
>> It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft cosmology, 
>> while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition of blindness 
>> and make directors and managers comfortable around blindness, work for what 
>> looks modern, without letting the function paradigm trouble the waters 
>> overly much.
>> Universal accessibility for them becomes a floating, situational impediment 
>> instead of a standard.
>> Of course, such dodging and compromising significantly impacts consumer 
>> productivity, giving blind users who pay full price for such programs as 
>> Microsoft's offerings, three-fifths of the access.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 18:26, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Glad it works for you. :)
>>> Just FYI, if you go to the Help menu in any of the Office Apps and type 
>>> “Accessibility” in the search box, you will get a page telling about all 
>>> the Accessibility features in each Office app, and what works and what 
>>> doesn’t currently work, if anything, with assistive technology, including 
>>> VoiceOver, in this case.
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> Jeffrey
>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> My bad as for some reason it took awhile for th first excel doc to open. 
>>>> Strange as it was an image for five minutes then the doc appeared. 
>>>> Definitely weird, but seems to be working now.
>>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Curious as I thought I had read that Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was 
>>>>> accessible? I am running the latest build of El Cap, and I got everything 
>>>>> installed, and just tried opening a excel document and all VoiceOVer 
>>>>> keeps reading is image image image. Nothing will get me out of it not 
>>>>> return, VO space, tab. Any ideas? Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>>>>> Visionaries list.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
>>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
>>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara 
>>>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>>>> 
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>>>> Visionaries list.
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&

RE: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Ladies,

Tha'ts officece 2011 for the mac and office 2013 for the windows platform.

 No office 2011 and earlier versions of office on the mac were not accessible 
with voiceover,
 Office 2016 is meant to be accessible but I've not tried it myself,

 The issues were due I believe to how the mac versions of office were coded, MS 
hadn't taken accessibility in to account.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, 5 June 2016 4:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be 
accessible

 There was never any claim made for the accessibility of office 2013 on the 
Mac. Unless you misspoke and meant  2016, your complaint has no basis in 
reality, since the inaccessibility of all previous office versions on the Mac 
was well known and much complain about.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
> 
> Cheree Heppe here:
> I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
> It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft cosmology, 
> while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition of blindness 
> and make directors and managers comfortable around blindness, work for what 
> looks modern, without letting the function paradigm trouble the waters overly 
> much.
> Universal accessibility for them becomes a floating, situational impediment 
> instead of a standard.
> Of course, such dodging and compromising significantly impacts consumer 
> productivity, giving blind users who pay full price for such programs as 
> Microsoft's offerings, three-fifths of the access.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 18:26, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Glad it works for you. :)
>> Just FYI, if you go to the Help menu in any of the Office Apps and type 
>> “Accessibility” in the search box, you will get a page telling about all the 
>> Accessibility features in each Office app, and what works and what doesn’t 
>> currently work, if anything, with assistive technology, including VoiceOver, 
>> in this case.
>> Hope this helps,
>> Jeffrey
>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My bad as for some reason it took awhile for th first excel doc to open. 
>>> Strange as it was an image for five minutes then the doc appeared. 
>>> Definitely weird, but seems to be working now.
>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hey all,
>>>> 
>>>> Curious as I thought I had read that Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was 
>>>> accessible? I am running the latest build of El Cap, and I got everything 
>>>> installed, and just tried opening a excel document and all VoiceOVer keeps 
>>>> reading is image image image. Nothing will get me out of it not return, VO 
>>>> space, tab. Any ideas? Thanks,
>>>> 
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Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[Cheree]

Cheree Heppe here:
Once upon a time, after everything else did not work, blind people 
participated in on site protests, complete with signs, slogans and songs.
One of those songs could just as well be adapted for the accessibility 
issues dividing our productivity now.

The old song goes:
Wait, wait, wait, your book's not in yet,
We're bound to have it next year without fail,
We can not do any more,
We are not your corner store,
After all, you know, just one per cent read Braille.

Regards,
Cheree Heppe


On 6/4/2016 10:40 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

I wonder if VO has been better at reading long documents in Word. Before in 
Office 2016 VO read a couple of pages in a document and then all of a sudden 
jumped back to the beginning for no apparent reason. Accessibility at Microsoft 
says they’re continuing to work on making Office better, so i haven’t quite 
given up yet.:-)
/Krister


4 juni 2016 kl. 18:48 skrev Mary Otten :

Well, they certainly should have known better at Microsoft. I hope you can get 
your money back or at least get a free  upgrade to the accessible version. I'm 
not sure it's totally accessible. But people have reported good luck more or 
less.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 4, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:

Cheree Heppe here:
That's not what the Microsoft reps who sold me the MS Office product said.
Apparently, they had also been mis-led.

Regards,
Cheree Heppe


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 4, 2016, at 09:04, Mary Otten  wrote:

There was never any claim made for the accessibility of office 2013 on the Mac. 
Unless you misspoke and meant  2016, your complaint has no basis in reality, 
since the inaccessibility of all previous office versions on the Mac was well 
known and much complain about.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:

Cheree Heppe here:
I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft cosmology, 
while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition of blindness and 
make directors and managers comfortable around blindness, work for what looks 
modern, without letting the function paradigm trouble the waters overly much.
Universal accessibility for them becomes a floating, situational impediment 
instead of a standard.
Of course, such dodging and compromising significantly impacts consumer 
productivity, giving blind users who pay full price for such programs as 
Microsoft's offerings, three-fifths of the access.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 3, 2016, at 18:26, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:

Hi,
Glad it works for you. :)
Just FYI, if you go to the Help menu in any of the Office Apps and type 
“Accessibility” in the search box, you will get a page telling about all the 
Accessibility features in each Office app, and what works and what doesn’t 
currently work, if anything, with assistive technology, including VoiceOver, in 
this case.
Hope this helps,
Jeffrey

On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

My bad as for some reason it took awhile for th first excel doc to open. 
Strange as it was an image for five minutes then the doc appeared. Definitely 
weird, but seems to be working now.

On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

Hey all,

Curious as I thought I had read that Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was 
accessible? I am running the latest build of El Cap, and I got everything 
installed, and just tried opening a excel document and all VoiceOVer keeps 
reading is image image image. Nothing will get me out of it not return, VO 
space, tab. Any ideas? Thanks,

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Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[Krister Ekstrom]

I wonder if VO has been better at reading long documents in Word. Before in 
Office 2016 VO read a couple of pages in a document and then all of a sudden 
jumped back to the beginning for no apparent reason. Accessibility at Microsoft 
says they’re continuing to work on making Office better, so i haven’t quite 
given up yet.:-)
/Krister

> 4 juni 2016 kl. 18:48 skrev Mary Otten :
> 
> Well, they certainly should have known better at Microsoft. I hope you can 
> get your money back or at least get a free  upgrade to the accessible 
> version. I'm not sure it's totally accessible. But people have reported good 
> luck more or less.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 4, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
>> 
>> Cheree Heppe here:
>> That's not what the Microsoft reps who sold me the MS Office product said.
>> Apparently, they had also been mis-led.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Cheree Heppe
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 4, 2016, at 09:04, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There was never any claim made for the accessibility of office 2013 on the 
>>> Mac. Unless you misspoke and meant  2016, your complaint has no basis in 
>>> reality, since the inaccessibility of all previous office versions on the 
>>> Mac was well known and much complain about.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Cheree Heppe here:
>>>> I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
>>>> It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft 
>>>> cosmology, while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition 
>>>> of blindness and make directors and managers comfortable around blindness, 
>>>> work for what looks modern, without letting the function paradigm trouble 
>>>> the waters overly much.
>>>> Universal accessibility for them becomes a floating, situational 
>>>> impediment instead of a standard.
>>>> Of course, such dodging and compromising significantly impacts consumer 
>>>> productivity, giving blind users who pay full price for such programs as 
>>>> Microsoft's offerings, three-fifths of the access.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 18:26, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> Glad it works for you. :)
>>>>> Just FYI, if you go to the Help menu in any of the Office Apps and type 
>>>>> “Accessibility” in the search box, you will get a page telling about all 
>>>>> the Accessibility features in each Office app, and what works and what 
>>>>> doesn’t currently work, if anything, with assistive technology, including 
>>>>> VoiceOver, in this case.
>>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>> Jeffrey
>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My bad as for some reason it took awhile for th first excel doc to open. 
>>>>>> Strange as it was an image for five minutes then the doc appeared. 
>>>>>> Definitely weird, but seems to be working now.
>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Curious as I thought I had read that Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was 
>>>>>>> accessible? I am running the latest build of El Cap, and I got 
>>>>>>> everything installed, and just tried opening a excel document and all 
>>>>>>> VoiceOVer keeps reading is image image image. Nothing will get me out 
>>>>>>> of it not return, VO space, tab. Any ideas? Thanks,
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> Visionaries list.
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> itself.
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Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[Mary Otten]

Well, they certainly should have known better at Microsoft. I hope you can get 
your money back or at least get a free  upgrade to the accessible version. I'm 
not sure it's totally accessible. But people have reported good luck more or 
less.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 4, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
> 
> Cheree Heppe here:
> That's not what the Microsoft reps who sold me the MS Office product said.
> Apparently, they had also been mis-led.
> 
> Regards,
> Cheree Heppe
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 4, 2016, at 09:04, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> There was never any claim made for the accessibility of office 2013 on the 
>> Mac. Unless you misspoke and meant  2016, your complaint has no basis in 
>> reality, since the inaccessibility of all previous office versions on the 
>> Mac was well known and much complain about.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Cheree Heppe here:
>>> I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
>>> It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft cosmology, 
>>> while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition of blindness 
>>> and make directors and managers comfortable around blindness, work for what 
>>> looks modern, without letting the function paradigm trouble the waters 
>>> overly much.
>>> Universal accessibility for them becomes a floating, situational impediment 
>>> instead of a standard.
>>> Of course, such dodging and compromising significantly impacts consumer 
>>> productivity, giving blind users who pay full price for such programs as 
>>> Microsoft's offerings, three-fifths of the access.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 18:26, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Glad it works for you. :)
>>>> Just FYI, if you go to the Help menu in any of the Office Apps and type 
>>>> “Accessibility” in the search box, you will get a page telling about all 
>>>> the Accessibility features in each Office app, and what works and what 
>>>> doesn’t currently work, if anything, with assistive technology, including 
>>>> VoiceOver, in this case.
>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>> Jeffrey
>>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> My bad as for some reason it took awhile for th first excel doc to open. 
>>>>> Strange as it was an image for five minutes then the doc appeared. 
>>>>> Definitely weird, but seems to be working now.
>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Curious as I thought I had read that Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was 
>>>>>> accessible? I am running the latest build of El Cap, and I got 
>>>>>> everything installed, and just tried opening a excel document and all 
>>>>>> VoiceOVer keeps reading is image image image. Nothing will get me out of 
>>>>>> it not return, VO space, tab. Any ideas? Thanks,
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> Visionaries list.
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>>>>> 
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Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[Devin Prater]

That's a terrible loss of money. You should definitely ask for your money back 
if possible, or see if you can upgrade to 2016. I enjoy Pages myself, but 
Office has it's uses, I suppose. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 4, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
> 
> Cheree Heppe here:
> That's not what the Microsoft reps who sold me the MS Office product said.
> Apparently, they had also been mis-led.
> 
> Regards,
> Cheree Heppe
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 4, 2016, at 09:04, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> There was never any claim made for the accessibility of office 2013 on the 
>> Mac. Unless you misspoke and meant  2016, your complaint has no basis in 
>> reality, since the inaccessibility of all previous office versions on the 
>> Mac was well known and much complain about.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Cheree Heppe here:
>>> I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
>>> It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft cosmology, 
>>> while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition of blindness 
>>> and make directors and managers comfortable around blindness, work for what 
>>> looks modern, without letting the function paradigm trouble the waters 
>>> overly much.
>>> Universal accessibility for them becomes a floating, situational impediment 
>>> instead of a standard.
>>> Of course, such dodging and compromising significantly impacts consumer 
>>> productivity, giving blind users who pay full price for such programs as 
>>> Microsoft's offerings, three-fifths of the access.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 18:26, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Glad it works for you. :)
>>>> Just FYI, if you go to the Help menu in any of the Office Apps and type 
>>>> “Accessibility” in the search box, you will get a page telling about all 
>>>> the Accessibility features in each Office app, and what works and what 
>>>> doesn’t currently work, if anything, with assistive technology, including 
>>>> VoiceOver, in this case.
>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>> Jeffrey
>>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> My bad as for some reason it took awhile for th first excel doc to open. 
>>>>> Strange as it was an image for five minutes then the doc appeared. 
>>>>> Definitely weird, but seems to be working now.
>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Curious as I thought I had read that Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was 
>>>>>> accessible? I am running the latest build of El Cap, and I got 
>>>>>> everything installed, and just tried opening a excel document and all 
>>>>>> VoiceOVer keeps reading is image image image. Nothing will get me out of 
>>>>>> it not return, VO space, tab. Any ideas? Thanks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
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>>>>>> Visionaries list.
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
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Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[Cheree Heppe]

Cheree Heppe here:
That's not what the Microsoft reps who sold me the MS Office product said.
Apparently, they had also been mis-led.

Regards,
Cheree Heppe


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 4, 2016, at 09:04, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> There was never any claim made for the accessibility of office 2013 on the 
> Mac. Unless you misspoke and meant  2016, your complaint has no basis in 
> reality, since the inaccessibility of all previous office versions on the Mac 
> was well known and much complain about.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
>> 
>> Cheree Heppe here:
>> I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
>> It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft cosmology, 
>> while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition of blindness 
>> and make directors and managers comfortable around blindness, work for what 
>> looks modern, without letting the function paradigm trouble the waters 
>> overly much.
>> Universal accessibility for them becomes a floating, situational impediment 
>> instead of a standard.
>> Of course, such dodging and compromising significantly impacts consumer 
>> productivity, giving blind users who pay full price for such programs as 
>> Microsoft's offerings, three-fifths of the access.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 18:26, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Glad it works for you. :)
>>> Just FYI, if you go to the Help menu in any of the Office Apps and type 
>>> “Accessibility” in the search box, you will get a page telling about all 
>>> the Accessibility features in each Office app, and what works and what 
>>> doesn’t currently work, if anything, with assistive technology, including 
>>> VoiceOver, in this case.
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> Jeffrey
>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> My bad as for some reason it took awhile for th first excel doc to open. 
>>>> Strange as it was an image for five minutes then the doc appeared. 
>>>> Definitely weird, but seems to be working now.
>>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Curious as I thought I had read that Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was 
>>>>> accessible? I am running the latest build of El Cap, and I got everything 
>>>>> installed, and just tried opening a excel document and all VoiceOVer 
>>>>> keeps reading is image image image. Nothing will get me out of it not 
>>>>> return, VO space, tab. Any ideas? Thanks,
>>>>> 
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>>>>> Visionaries list.
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>>>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
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Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[Mary Otten]

 There was never any claim made for the accessibility of office 2013 on the 
Mac. Unless you misspoke and meant  2016, your complaint has no basis in 
reality, since the inaccessibility of all previous office versions on the Mac 
was well known and much complain about.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 4, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:
> 
> Cheree Heppe here:
> I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
> It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft cosmology, 
> while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition of blindness 
> and make directors and managers comfortable around blindness, work for what 
> looks modern, without letting the function paradigm trouble the waters overly 
> much.
> Universal accessibility for them becomes a floating, situational impediment 
> instead of a standard.
> Of course, such dodging and compromising significantly impacts consumer 
> productivity, giving blind users who pay full price for such programs as 
> Microsoft's offerings, three-fifths of the access.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 18:26, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Glad it works for you. :)
>> Just FYI, if you go to the Help menu in any of the Office Apps and type 
>> “Accessibility” in the search box, you will get a page telling about all the 
>> Accessibility features in each Office app, and what works and what doesn’t 
>> currently work, if anything, with assistive technology, including VoiceOver, 
>> in this case.
>> Hope this helps,
>> Jeffrey
>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My bad as for some reason it took awhile for th first excel doc to open. 
>>> Strange as it was an image for five minutes then the doc appeared. 
>>> Definitely weird, but seems to be working now.
>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hey all,
>>>> 
>>>> Curious as I thought I had read that Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was 
>>>> accessible? I am running the latest build of El Cap, and I got everything 
>>>> installed, and just tried opening a excel document and all VoiceOVer keeps 
>>>> reading is image image image. Nothing will get me out of it not return, VO 
>>>> space, tab. Any ideas? Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>>>> Visionaries list.
>>>> 
>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>>> 
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>>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>>> 
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Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[Cheree Heppe]

Cheree Heppe here:
I purchased MS Office 2013, a purchase I continue to regret.
It's my guess that totally blind testers are scarce in Microsoft cosmology, 
while partially sighted testers who meet the legal definition of blindness and 
make directors and managers comfortable around blindness, work for what looks 
modern, without letting the function paradigm trouble the waters overly much.
Universal accessibility for them becomes a floating, situational impediment 
instead of a standard.
Of course, such dodging and compromising significantly impacts consumer 
productivity, giving blind users who pay full price for such programs as 
Microsoft's offerings, three-fifths of the access.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2016, at 18:26, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Glad it works for you. :)
> Just FYI, if you go to the Help menu in any of the Office Apps and type 
> “Accessibility” in the search box, you will get a page telling about all the 
> Accessibility features in each Office app, and what works and what doesn’t 
> currently work, if anything, with assistive technology, including VoiceOver, 
> in this case.
> Hope this helps,
> Jeffrey
>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> My bad as for some reason it took awhile for th first excel doc to open. 
>> Strange as it was an image for five minutes then the doc appeared. 
>> Definitely weird, but seems to be working now.
>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> Curious as I thought I had read that Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was 
>>> accessible? I am running the latest build of El Cap, and I got everything 
>>> installed, and just tried opening a excel document and all VoiceOVer keeps 
>>> reading is image image image. Nothing will get me out of it not return, VO 
>>> space, tab. Any ideas? Thanks,
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Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[Jeffrey Shockley]

Hi,
Glad it works for you. :)
Just FYI, if you go to the Help menu in any of the Office Apps and type 
“Accessibility” in the search box, you will get a page telling about all the 
Accessibility features in each Office app, and what works and what doesn’t 
currently work, if anything, with assistive technology, including VoiceOver, in 
this case.
Hope this helps,
Jeffrey
> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> My bad as for some reason it took awhile for th first excel doc to open. 
> Strange as it was an image for five minutes then the doc appeared. Definitely 
> weird, but seems to be working now.
>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> Curious as I thought I had read that Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was 
>> accessible? I am running the latest build of El Cap, and I got everything 
>> installed, and just tried opening a excel document and all VoiceOVer keeps 
>> reading is image image image. Nothing will get me out of it not return, VO 
>> space, tab. Any ideas? Thanks,
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Re: I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[Brian Fischler]

My bad as for some reason it took awhile for th first excel doc to open. 
Strange as it was an image for five minutes then the doc appeared. Definitely 
weird, but seems to be working now.
> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> Curious as I thought I had read that Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was 
> accessible? I am running the latest build of El Cap, and I got everything 
> installed, and just tried opening a excel document and all VoiceOVer keeps 
> reading is image image image. Nothing will get me out of it not return, VO 
> space, tab. Any ideas? Thanks,
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I thought Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was suppose to be accessible

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

Curious as I thought I had read that Microsoft Office 2016 for Mac was 
accessible? I am running the latest build of El Cap, and I got everything 
installed, and just tried opening a excel document and all VoiceOVer keeps 
reading is image image image. Nothing will get me out of it not return, VO 
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ms office 2016 and apple accessibility

[William Windels]

Hello all,

I have just bought ms office 2016 for the mac. During my first use, outlook , 
word is accessible, excel I haven’t played with it.
However, I hope but I am very curious if Apple accessibility should make 
optimalisations for voiceover so that we can use ms office as good as possible.
I mean: in 10.11.1 , there was a optimalisation for osx with ms office 2016 for 
all users.

E.g. In ms outlook: the suggestions of mail-dresses if you type some letters, 
aren’t shown I think or aren’t shown on a equal way like in mail.

And also a big challenge for apple accessibility is testing, testing and 
testing…

Any hints/comments/suggestions are very welcome.

William Windels (send from microsoft outlook)

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RE: Microsoft office 2016 for mac

[george b]

Go to

www.microsoft.com/office

you look on that page and you can find the links to buy the office suites.

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Hello all,
I am trying to find a direct link to purchase office 2016 for mac. Does anyone 
have it? Do I have to purchase Microsoft 365 to use from the web or is there an 
app I purchase to download to my Mac? thanks for any assistance.

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Microsoft office 2016 for mac

[denise avant]

Hello all,
I am trying to find a direct link to purchase office 2016 for mac. Does anyone 
have it? Do I have to purchase Microsoft 365 to use from the web or is there an 
app I purchase to download to my Mac? thanks for any assistance.

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Re: Office 2016?

[sadam . lists]

2016. It's still rather clunky for my taste.

Sent from my iPhone 

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> On 29 Aug 2015, at 3:22 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Wait a second.  You're saying the accessibility isn't any good in 2016, or 
> are you saying in 2011.  I'm a little confused.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 7:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Office 2016?
> 
> 
> Don't bother. The accessibility has regressed majorly.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> 
>> On 28 Aug 2015, at 9:22 AM, Joe Quinn  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks man. So under the  installation they don't have 2011 for the mac?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, so I just called Microsoft for you to ask about this, as I was actually 
>>> curious myself.
>>> 
>>> So, here's the deal.  Office 2016 for the mac is available, yes, not even 
>>> as the public preview.  It's out, but! hold on!  there is a little small 
>>> catch. It is out, yes, but right now, it's only available to Office 365 
>>> subscribers.  Not to official non-365 subscribers who just want it as is, 
>>> full fledged.  However, on the plus side of this, it is apparently supposed 
>>> to be fully released without the need for Office 365 come next month.
>>> 
>>> Once this is done, they will also then be releasing Office 2016 for Windows 
>>> for both 365 members as well as non-365 full fledged users.
>>> 
>>> Please realize that none of what I am saying here breaks any NDA.  I'm 
>>> telling you exactly what I was directly told by a Microsoft sales agent 
>>> named Hermon.
>>> 
>>> If you want to get either of the versions out now of Microsoft Office for a 
>>> mac, or a Windows PC, then here's what you need to do.
>>> 
>>> First off, be sure you're subscribed to Office 365.  You can do this through
>>> 
>>> http://www.office.com
>>> 
>>> Once you have done this, go back to the above link, and sign in with your 
>>> Microsoft passport.
>>> 
>>> Once in, click on the link for my account.
>>> 
>>> I think a more direct link actually is:
>>> 
>>> http://account.office.com
>>> 
>>> It might be
>>> 
>>> http://myaccount.office.com
>>> 
>>> It's one of the two, I just don't recall which.
>>> 
>>> Once you're at this page and logged in, you  should see a section for 
>>> installation.  If you look under here, you'll see the option to download 
>>> either of these installers, for the mac, or for a PC.  Pick the one you 
>>> want, download it, and install it by running the installer.  Then, make 
>>> sure during the installer that you sign in with your Microsoft passport if 
>>> asked to do so.  It's been a while since I've needed to install, so I don't 
>>> recall exactly what that process is, but I know it's very very straight 
>>> forward.
>>> 
>>> Once done, you're good to go.
>>> 
>>> As for the accessibility, I've not used it in a while, but I did try one of 
>>> the older public previews, and for what it was worth, yes, there were some 
>>> major issues, but for the most part, unless you were doing really really 
>>> really heavy editting, it worked quite well.  Even MS Word finally has been 
>>> fixed where now you can read the document window.  Remember that this was 
>>> quite a few preview builds back though, so I'd honestly give it a shot.  I 
>>> think you'll be at least somewhat, if not very impressed.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Joe Quinn" 
>>> To: "mac list" 
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:12 PM
>>> Subject: Office 2016?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Is ms office 2016 for the mac out yet? If so is it accessible?
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Re: Office 2016?

[Joe Quinn]

i don't want it, i just wanted to make sure that it's not there on the
install page. :)

On 8/28/15, Christopher-Mark Gilland  wrote:
> I'm sure that you could probably get 2011, but why?  For one, it's not
> accessible.  I think you still could get it, but not with the method I
> outlined.  I'm not sure how you'd go about that.
>
> Chris.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Joe Quinn" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 7:22 PM
> Subject: Re: Office 2016?
>
>
> Thanks man. So under the  installation they don't have 2011 for the mac?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
>>  wrote:
>>
>> OK, so I just called Microsoft for you to ask about this, as I was
>> actually curious myself.
>>
>> So, here's the deal.  Office 2016 for the mac is available, yes, not even
>>
>> as the public preview.  It's out, but! hold on!  there is a little small
>> catch. It is out, yes, but right now, it's only available to Office 365
>> subscribers.  Not to official non-365 subscribers who just want it as is,
>>
>> full fledged.  However, on the plus side of this, it is apparently
>> supposed to be fully released without the need for Office 365 come next
>> month.
>>
>> Once this is done, they will also then be releasing Office 2016 for
>> Windows for both 365 members as well as non-365 full fledged users.
>>
>> Please realize that none of what I am saying here breaks any NDA.  I'm
>> telling you exactly what I was directly told by a Microsoft sales agent
>> named Hermon.
>>
>> If you want to get either of the versions out now of Microsoft Office for
>>
>> a mac, or a Windows PC, then here's what you need to do.
>>
>> First off, be sure you're subscribed to Office 365.  You can do this
>> through
>>
>> http://www.office.com
>>
>> Once you have done this, go back to the above link, and sign in with your
>>
>> Microsoft passport.
>>
>> Once in, click on the link for my account.
>>
>> I think a more direct link actually is:
>>
>> http://account.office.com
>>
>> It might be
>>
>> http://myaccount.office.com
>>
>> It's one of the two, I just don't recall which.
>>
>> Once you're at this page and logged in, you  should see a section for
>> installation.  If you look under here, you'll see the option to download
>> either of these installers, for the mac, or for a PC.  Pick the one you
>> want, download it, and install it by running the installer.  Then, make
>> sure during the installer that you sign in with your Microsoft passport if
>>
>> asked to do so.  It's been a while since I've needed to install, so I
>> don't recall exactly what that process is, but I know it's very very
>> straight forward.
>>
>> Once done, you're good to go.
>>
>> As for the accessibility, I've not used it in a while, but I did try one
>> of the older public previews, and for what it was worth, yes, there were
>> some major issues, but for the most part, unless you were doing really
>> really really heavy editting, it worked quite well.  Even MS Word finally
>>
>> has been fixed where now you can read the document window.  Remember that
>>
>> this was quite a few preview builds back though, so I'd honestly give it a
>>
>> shot.  I think you'll be at least somewhat, if not very impressed.
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Joe Quinn" 
>> To: "mac list" 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:12 PM
>> Subject: Office 2016?
>>
>>
>>> Is ms office 2016 for the mac out yet? If so is it accessible?
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Re: Office 2016?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I'm sure that you could probably get 2011, but why?  For one, it's not 
accessible.  I think you still could get it, but not with the method I 
outlined.  I'm not sure how you'd go about that.


Chris.

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From: "Joe Quinn" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: Office 2016?


Thanks man. So under the  installation they don't have 2011 for the mac?

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


OK, so I just called Microsoft for you to ask about this, as I was 
actually curious myself.


So, here's the deal.  Office 2016 for the mac is available, yes, not even 
as the public preview.  It's out, but! hold on!  there is a little small 
catch. It is out, yes, but right now, it's only available to Office 365 
subscribers.  Not to official non-365 subscribers who just want it as is, 
full fledged.  However, on the plus side of this, it is apparently 
supposed to be fully released without the need for Office 365 come next 
month.


Once this is done, they will also then be releasing Office 2016 for 
Windows for both 365 members as well as non-365 full fledged users.


Please realize that none of what I am saying here breaks any NDA.  I'm 
telling you exactly what I was directly told by a Microsoft sales agent 
named Hermon.


If you want to get either of the versions out now of Microsoft Office for 
a mac, or a Windows PC, then here's what you need to do.


First off, be sure you're subscribed to Office 365.  You can do this 
through


http://www.office.com

Once you have done this, go back to the above link, and sign in with your 
Microsoft passport.


Once in, click on the link for my account.

I think a more direct link actually is:

http://account.office.com

It might be

http://myaccount.office.com

It's one of the two, I just don't recall which.

Once you're at this page and logged in, you  should see a section for 
installation.  If you look under here, you'll see the option to download 
either of these installers, for the mac, or for a PC.  Pick the one you 
want, download it, and install it by running the installer.  Then, make 
sure during the installer that you sign in with your Microsoft passport if 
asked to do so.  It's been a while since I've needed to install, so I 
don't recall exactly what that process is, but I know it's very very 
straight forward.


Once done, you're good to go.

As for the accessibility, I've not used it in a while, but I did try one 
of the older public previews, and for what it was worth, yes, there were 
some major issues, but for the most part, unless you were doing really 
really really heavy editting, it worked quite well.  Even MS Word finally 
has been fixed where now you can read the document window.  Remember that 
this was quite a few preview builds back though, so I'd honestly give it a 
shot.  I think you'll be at least somewhat, if not very impressed.


Chris.

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To: "mac list" 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:12 PM
Subject: Office 2016?



Is ms office 2016 for the mac out yet? If so is it accessible?

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Re: Office 2016?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Wait a second.  You're saying the accessibility isn't any good in 2016, or 
are you saying in 2011.  I'm a little confused.


Chris.

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From: 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: Office 2016?


Don't bother. The accessibility has regressed majorly.

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On 28 Aug 2015, at 9:22 AM, Joe Quinn  wrote:

Thanks man. So under the  installation they don't have 2011 for the mac?

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


OK, so I just called Microsoft for you to ask about this, as I was 
actually curious myself.


So, here's the deal.  Office 2016 for the mac is available, yes, not even 
as the public preview.  It's out, but! hold on!  there is a little small 
catch. It is out, yes, but right now, it's only available to Office 365 
subscribers.  Not to official non-365 subscribers who just want it as is, 
full fledged.  However, on the plus side of this, it is apparently 
supposed to be fully released without the need for Office 365 come next 
month.


Once this is done, they will also then be releasing Office 2016 for 
Windows for both 365 members as well as non-365 full fledged users.


Please realize that none of what I am saying here breaks any NDA.  I'm 
telling you exactly what I was directly told by a Microsoft sales agent 
named Hermon.


If you want to get either of the versions out now of Microsoft Office for 
a mac, or a Windows PC, then here's what you need to do.


First off, be sure you're subscribed to Office 365.  You can do this 
through


http://www.office.com

Once you have done this, go back to the above link, and sign in with your 
Microsoft passport.


Once in, click on the link for my account.

I think a more direct link actually is:

http://account.office.com

It might be

http://myaccount.office.com

It's one of the two, I just don't recall which.

Once you're at this page and logged in, you  should see a section for 
installation.  If you look under here, you'll see the option to download 
either of these installers, for the mac, or for a PC.  Pick the one you 
want, download it, and install it by running the installer.  Then, make 
sure during the installer that you sign in with your Microsoft passport 
if asked to do so.  It's been a while since I've needed to install, so I 
don't recall exactly what that process is, but I know it's very very 
straight forward.


Once done, you're good to go.

As for the accessibility, I've not used it in a while, but I did try one 
of the older public previews, and for what it was worth, yes, there were 
some major issues, but for the most part, unless you were doing really 
really really heavy editting, it worked quite well.  Even MS Word finally 
has been fixed where now you can read the document window.  Remember that 
this was quite a few preview builds back though, so I'd honestly give it 
a shot.  I think you'll be at least somewhat, if not very impressed.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Joe Quinn" 
To: "mac list" 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:12 PM
Subject: Office 2016?



Is ms office 2016 for the mac out yet? If so is it accessible?

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Re: Office 2016?

[sadam . lists]

Don't bother. The accessibility has regressed majorly. 

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> On 28 Aug 2015, at 9:22 AM, Joe Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Thanks man. So under the  installation they don't have 2011 for the mac?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, so I just called Microsoft for you to ask about this, as I was actually 
>> curious myself.
>> 
>> So, here's the deal.  Office 2016 for the mac is available, yes, not even as 
>> the public preview.  It's out, but! hold on!  there is a little small catch. 
>> It is out, yes, but right now, it's only available to Office 365 
>> subscribers.  Not to official non-365 subscribers who just want it as is, 
>> full fledged.  However, on the plus side of this, it is apparently supposed 
>> to be fully released without the need for Office 365 come next month.
>> 
>> Once this is done, they will also then be releasing Office 2016 for Windows 
>> for both 365 members as well as non-365 full fledged users.
>> 
>> Please realize that none of what I am saying here breaks any NDA.  I'm 
>> telling you exactly what I was directly told by a Microsoft sales agent 
>> named Hermon.
>> 
>> If you want to get either of the versions out now of Microsoft Office for a 
>> mac, or a Windows PC, then here's what you need to do.
>> 
>> First off, be sure you're subscribed to Office 365.  You can do this through
>> 
>> http://www.office.com
>> 
>> Once you have done this, go back to the above link, and sign in with your 
>> Microsoft passport.
>> 
>> Once in, click on the link for my account.
>> 
>> I think a more direct link actually is:
>> 
>> http://account.office.com
>> 
>> It might be
>> 
>> http://myaccount.office.com
>> 
>> It's one of the two, I just don't recall which.
>> 
>> Once you're at this page and logged in, you  should see a section for 
>> installation.  If you look under here, you'll see the option to download 
>> either of these installers, for the mac, or for a PC.  Pick the one you 
>> want, download it, and install it by running the installer.  Then, make sure 
>> during the installer that you sign in with your Microsoft passport if asked 
>> to do so.  It's been a while since I've needed to install, so I don't recall 
>> exactly what that process is, but I know it's very very straight forward.
>> 
>> Once done, you're good to go.
>> 
>> As for the accessibility, I've not used it in a while, but I did try one of 
>> the older public previews, and for what it was worth, yes, there were some 
>> major issues, but for the most part, unless you were doing really really 
>> really heavy editting, it worked quite well.  Even MS Word finally has been 
>> fixed where now you can read the document window.  Remember that this was 
>> quite a few preview builds back though, so I'd honestly give it a shot.  I 
>> think you'll be at least somewhat, if not very impressed.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Joe Quinn" 
>> To: "mac list" 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:12 PM
>> Subject: Office 2016?
>> 
>> 
>>> Is ms office 2016 for the mac out yet? If so is it accessible?
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Re: Office 2016?

[Scott Granados]

I am told that word is still having accessibility issues on the Mac so make 
sure you try it out first.

Also, on a positive note, I’ve been using outlook on the Mac for a while now 
and it’s very accessible and works well.  So they are making progress.

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK, so I just called Microsoft for you to ask about this, as I was actually 
> curious myself.
> 
> So, here's the deal.  Office 2016 for the mac is available, yes, not even as 
> the public preview.  It's out, but! hold on!  there is a little small catch. 
> It is out, yes, but right now, it's only available to Office 365 subscribers. 
>  Not to official non-365 subscribers who just want it as is, full fledged.  
> However, on the plus side of this, it is apparently supposed to be fully 
> released without the need for Office 365 come next month.
> 
> Once this is done, they will also then be releasing Office 2016 for Windows 
> for both 365 members as well as non-365 full fledged users.
> 
> Please realize that none of what I am saying here breaks any NDA.  I'm 
> telling you exactly what I was directly told by a Microsoft sales agent named 
> Hermon.
> 
> If you want to get either of the versions out now of Microsoft Office for a 
> mac, or a Windows PC, then here's what you need to do.
> 
> First off, be sure you're subscribed to Office 365.  You can do this through
> 
> http://www.office.com
> 
> Once you have done this, go back to the above link, and sign in with your 
> Microsoft passport.
> 
> Once in, click on the link for my account.
> 
> I think a more direct link actually is:
> 
> http://account.office.com
> 
> It might be
> 
> http://myaccount.office.com
> 
> It's one of the two, I just don't recall which.
> 
> Once you're at this page and logged in, you  should see a section for 
> installation.  If you look under here, you'll see the option to download 
> either of these installers, for the mac, or for a PC.  Pick the one you want, 
> download it, and install it by running the installer.  Then, make sure during 
> the installer that you sign in with your Microsoft passport if asked to do 
> so.  It's been a while since I've needed to install, so I don't recall 
> exactly what that process is, but I know it's very very straight forward.
> 
> Once done, you're good to go.
> 
> As for the accessibility, I've not used it in a while, but I did try one of 
> the older public previews, and for what it was worth, yes, there were some 
> major issues, but for the most part, unless you were doing really really 
> really heavy editting, it worked quite well.  Even MS Word finally has been 
> fixed where now you can read the document window.  Remember that this was 
> quite a few preview builds back though, so I'd honestly give it a shot.  I 
> think you'll be at least somewhat, if not very impressed.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Joe Quinn" 
> To: "mac list" 
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:12 PM
> Subject: Office 2016?
> 
> 
>> Is ms office 2016 for the mac out yet? If so is it accessible?
>> 
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Re: Office 2016?

[Joe Quinn]

Thanks man. So under the  installation they don't have 2011 for the mac?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK, so I just called Microsoft for you to ask about this, as I was actually 
> curious myself.
> 
> So, here's the deal.  Office 2016 for the mac is available, yes, not even as 
> the public preview.  It's out, but! hold on!  there is a little small catch. 
> It is out, yes, but right now, it's only available to Office 365 subscribers. 
>  Not to official non-365 subscribers who just want it as is, full fledged.  
> However, on the plus side of this, it is apparently supposed to be fully 
> released without the need for Office 365 come next month.
> 
> Once this is done, they will also then be releasing Office 2016 for Windows 
> for both 365 members as well as non-365 full fledged users.
> 
> Please realize that none of what I am saying here breaks any NDA.  I'm 
> telling you exactly what I was directly told by a Microsoft sales agent named 
> Hermon.
> 
> If you want to get either of the versions out now of Microsoft Office for a 
> mac, or a Windows PC, then here's what you need to do.
> 
> First off, be sure you're subscribed to Office 365.  You can do this through
> 
> http://www.office.com
> 
> Once you have done this, go back to the above link, and sign in with your 
> Microsoft passport.
> 
> Once in, click on the link for my account.
> 
> I think a more direct link actually is:
> 
> http://account.office.com
> 
> It might be
> 
> http://myaccount.office.com
> 
> It's one of the two, I just don't recall which.
> 
> Once you're at this page and logged in, you  should see a section for 
> installation.  If you look under here, you'll see the option to download 
> either of these installers, for the mac, or for a PC.  Pick the one you want, 
> download it, and install it by running the installer.  Then, make sure during 
> the installer that you sign in with your Microsoft passport if asked to do 
> so.  It's been a while since I've needed to install, so I don't recall 
> exactly what that process is, but I know it's very very straight forward.
> 
> Once done, you're good to go.
> 
> As for the accessibility, I've not used it in a while, but I did try one of 
> the older public previews, and for what it was worth, yes, there were some 
> major issues, but for the most part, unless you were doing really really 
> really heavy editting, it worked quite well.  Even MS Word finally has been 
> fixed where now you can read the document window.  Remember that this was 
> quite a few preview builds back though, so I'd honestly give it a shot.  I 
> think you'll be at least somewhat, if not very impressed.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Joe Quinn" 
> To: "mac list" 
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:12 PM
> Subject: Office 2016?
> 
> 
>> Is ms office 2016 for the mac out yet? If so is it accessible?
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Re: Office 2016?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, so I just called Microsoft for you to ask about this, as I was actually 
curious myself.


So, here's the deal.  Office 2016 for the mac is available, yes, not even as 
the public preview.  It's out, but! hold on!  there is a little small catch. 
It is out, yes, but right now, it's only available to Office 365 
subscribers.  Not to official non-365 subscribers who just want it as is, 
full fledged.  However, on the plus side of this, it is apparently supposed 
to be fully released without the need for Office 365 come next month.


Once this is done, they will also then be releasing Office 2016 for Windows 
for both 365 members as well as non-365 full fledged users.


Please realize that none of what I am saying here breaks any NDA.  I'm 
telling you exactly what I was directly told by a Microsoft sales agent 
named Hermon.


If you want to get either of the versions out now of Microsoft Office for a 
mac, or a Windows PC, then here's what you need to do.


First off, be sure you're subscribed to Office 365.  You can do this through

http://www.office.com

Once you have done this, go back to the above link, and sign in with your 
Microsoft passport.


Once in, click on the link for my account.

I think a more direct link actually is:

http://account.office.com

It might be

http://myaccount.office.com

It's one of the two, I just don't recall which.

Once you're at this page and logged in, you  should see a section for 
installation.  If you look under here, you'll see the option to download 
either of these installers, for the mac, or for a PC.  Pick the one you 
want, download it, and install it by running the installer.  Then, make sure 
during the installer that you sign in with your Microsoft passport if asked 
to do so.  It's been a while since I've needed to install, so I don't recall 
exactly what that process is, but I know it's very very straight forward.


Once done, you're good to go.

As for the accessibility, I've not used it in a while, but I did try one of 
the older public previews, and for what it was worth, yes, there were some 
major issues, but for the most part, unless you were doing really really 
really heavy editting, it worked quite well.  Even MS Word finally has been 
fixed where now you can read the document window.  Remember that this was 
quite a few preview builds back though, so I'd honestly give it a shot.  I 
think you'll be at least somewhat, if not very impressed.


Chris.

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Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 12:12 PM
Subject: Office 2016?



Is ms office 2016 for the mac out yet? If so is it accessible?

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Office 2016?

[Joe Quinn]

Is ms office 2016 for the mac out yet? If so is it accessible?

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Re: ms office 2016 for mac?

[Nicholas Parsons]

I found powerpoint to be good for viewing presentations, but I haven’t tried 
creating a powerpoint presentation yet.

Unfortunately, I’ve found word not to be a viable option, particularly if the 
document is long or contains track changes. This is despite the fact that there 
is a huge incentive for me to use it so I can collaborate more easily at work. 
Importing and exporting from Pages can often mess up formatting which is not 
apparent to VoiceOver. However, Word at the moment is just too flaky.

I have only played with Outlook to set up a few email accounts and tweak the 
settings so far, and haven’t actually begun to send and read email yet, but it 
seems very promising. Everything appears to be accessible so far.

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Re: ms office 2016 for mac?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yes, lots of people've tried the public preview, and for what it's worth, 
it's actually not all that bad.  It's definitely definitely way better than 
it was back in the days, that's for sure.


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Hi,
I was wondering if anyone has experience with htis as of yet or is going 
to try it out?

Greetings, Anouk,

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Re: ms office 2016 for mac?

[Krister Ekstrom]

The deal breaker lies in the fact that you unlike in Openoffice or 
Libreoffice which have their own formats as well can’t just save the 
document in the format in which you first launched it, but have to go 
and export a .doc or .docx file back to .doc or .docx.

/Krister


On 19 Aug 2015, at 14:49, Anouk Radix wrote:

If you can EXPORT it within pages to word I dont really see what is 
the dealbreaker then….

Greetings, Anouk,
On 19 Aug 2015, at 14:24, Krister Ekstrom  
wrote:


Hi,
Pages and the other Apple tools are good, but at least Pages has 
something that’s kind of a deal breaker for me and that’s the 
fact that they persist in only allowing me to save to their own 
format. If i could have opened a Word document, edited it and then 
saved it back to word foemat, that’d be really great, but you have 
to export it to word and still it asks if you want to save your 
document to pages format.

/Krister
19 aug. 2015 kl. 13:52 skrev Scott Granados 
:


You know, don’t sell pages and the other apple tools short.

I’ve had decent luck with them.

On Aug 19, 2015, at 3:55 AM, Anouk Radix  
wrote:


Hi Anne
Oh that is a real bummer that will mean I will probbably need to 
keep using my vm for productivity.

Oh well thanks for the info
Greetings, Anouk,
On 19 Aug 2015, at 08:54, Anne Robertson  
wrote:


Hello Anouk,

While it was still in beta, I really tried to work with Word, and 
although it was technically accessible, it was horrible to work 
with.
Several people on this list had even worse experiences with it 
than I did.


Cheers,

Anne


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wrote:


Hi,
I was wondering if anyone has experience with htis as of yet or 
is going to try it out?

Greetings, Anouk,

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Re: ms office 2016 for mac?

[Anouk Radix]

If you can EXPORT it within pages to word I dont really see what is the 
dealbreaker then….
Greetings, Anouk,
> On 19 Aug 2015, at 14:24, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Pages and the other Apple tools are good, but at least Pages has something 
> that’s kind of a deal breaker for me and that’s the fact that they persist in 
> only allowing me to save to their own format. If i could have opened a Word 
> document, edited it and then saved it back to word foemat, that’d be really 
> great, but you have to export it to word and still it asks if you want to 
> save your document to pages format.
> /Krister
>> 19 aug. 2015 kl. 13:52 skrev Scott Granados :
>> 
>> You know, don’t sell pages and the other apple tools short.
>> 
>> I’ve had decent luck with them.
>> 
>>> On Aug 19, 2015, at 3:55 AM, Anouk Radix  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Anne
>>> Oh that is a real bummer that will mean I will probbably need to keep using 
>>> my vm for productivity.
>>> Oh well thanks for the info
>>> Greetings, Anouk,
 On 19 Aug 2015, at 08:54, Anne Robertson  wrote:
 
 Hello Anouk,
 
 While it was still in beta, I really tried to work with Word, and although 
 it was technically accessible, it was horrible to work with.
 Several people on this list had even worse experiences with it than I did.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
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Re: ms office 2016 for mac?

[Anouk Radix]

Perhaps but I find office onwindows easier to work with especially with docx. 
Even though they have the ribbon. I need to use windows for pdf anyway (qread) 
so using office there is not a big deal. I guess its just what you are used to…
Greetings, Anouk,
> On 19 Aug 2015, at 13:52, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> You know, don’t sell pages and the other apple tools short.
> 
> I’ve had decent luck with them.
> 
>> On Aug 19, 2015, at 3:55 AM, Anouk Radix  wrote:
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>> Hi Anne
>> Oh that is a real bummer that will mean I will probbably need to keep using 
>> my vm for productivity.
>> Oh well thanks for the info
>> Greetings, Anouk,
>>> On 19 Aug 2015, at 08:54, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Anouk,
>>> 
>>> While it was still in beta, I really tried to work with Word, and although 
>>> it was technically accessible, it was horrible to work with.
>>> Several people on this list had even worse experiences with it than I did.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: ms office 2016 for mac?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
Pages and the other Apple tools are good, but at least Pages has something 
that’s kind of a deal breaker for me and that’s the fact that they persist in 
only allowing me to save to their own format. If i could have opened a Word 
document, edited it and then saved it back to word foemat, that’d be really 
great, but you have to export it to word and still it asks if you want to save 
your document to pages format.
/Krister
> 19 aug. 2015 kl. 13:52 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> You know, don’t sell pages and the other apple tools short.
> 
> I’ve had decent luck with them.
> 
>> On Aug 19, 2015, at 3:55 AM, Anouk Radix  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Anne
>> Oh that is a real bummer that will mean I will probbably need to keep using 
>> my vm for productivity.
>> Oh well thanks for the info
>> Greetings, Anouk,
>>> On 19 Aug 2015, at 08:54, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Anouk,
>>> 
>>> While it was still in beta, I really tried to work with Word, and although 
>>> it was technically accessible, it was horrible to work with.
>>> Several people on this list had even worse experiences with it than I did.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
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 Hi,
 I was wondering if anyone has experience with htis as of yet or is going 
 to try it out?
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Re: ms office 2016 for mac?

[Scott Granados]

You know, don’t sell pages and the other apple tools short.

I’ve had decent luck with them.

> On Aug 19, 2015, at 3:55 AM, Anouk Radix  wrote:
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> Hi Anne
> Oh that is a real bummer that will mean I will probbably need to keep using 
> my vm for productivity.
> Oh well thanks for the info
> Greetings, Anouk,
>> On 19 Aug 2015, at 08:54, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Anouk,
>> 
>> While it was still in beta, I really tried to work with Word, and although 
>> it was technically accessible, it was horrible to work with.
>> Several people on this list had even worse experiences with it than I did.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 19 Aug 2015, at 00:47, Anouk Radix  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I was wondering if anyone has experience with htis as of yet or is going to 
>>> try it out?
>>> Greetings, Anouk,
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Re: ms office 2016 for mac?

[Scott Granados]

The only part I’ve worked with is outlook and that’s actually not bad.  I don’t 
like it as much as Apple Mail but if you have to use it for work it’s more than 
just tolerable it’s not bad at all.  Can’t speak for any of the other tools 
though.

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Re: ms office 2016 for mac?

[Anouk Radix]

Hi Anne
Oh that is a real bummer that will mean I will probbably need to keep using my 
vm for productivity.
Oh well thanks for the info
Greetings, Anouk,
> On 19 Aug 2015, at 08:54, Anne Robertson  wrote:
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> Hello Anouk,
> 
> While it was still in beta, I really tried to work with Word, and although it 
> was technically accessible, it was horrible to work with.
> Several people on this list had even worse experiences with it than I did.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
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>> try it out?
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Re: ms office 2016 for mac?

[Andrew Lamanche]

I've tried hard to work with Ms Office on the mac.  While it was still in beta, 
I often reported problems with it. But when it came out of beta, it was even 
worse than it was in beta.  In the end, I cancelled my subscription to 
Office365 and uninstalled the whole lot of it.  Waste of money and effort.  
Really frustrating.  It was a promising start but it ended in a lot of waste of 
time.
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Re: ms office 2016 for mac?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Anouk,

While it was still in beta, I really tried to work with Word, and although it 
was technically accessible, it was horrible to work with.
Several people on this list had even worse experiences with it than I did.

Cheers,

Anne


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ms office 2016 for mac?

[Anouk Radix]

Hi,
I was wondering if anyone has experience with htis as of yet or is going to try 
it out?
Greetings, Anouk,

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Re: ms office 2016 for mac

[Nicholas Parsons]

In my opinion, while the accessibility with VoiceOver has greatly improved 
since earlier versions of Office for Mac, it is still patchy and Pages and 
TextEdit are much better options.

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Re: ms office 2016 for mac

[eileen . misrahi]

Hi Denise,

>From my recollection, a hardcopy of MS office for the Mac won't be available 
>until the fall. The only way right now to have access to it is through Office 
>365. HTH.

Eileen

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> On Jul 30, 2015, at 6:20 PM, george b  wrote:
> 
> Go to
> 
> www.microsoft.com/office
> 
> on that page you will find the entire seuite for office or you can get word 
> and excel as stand alones.
> 
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> 
> Hwllo all,
> 
> I am wondering  about the overall accessibility for vo with office 2016 on 
> the Mac. I am thinking of getting it since I use the windows version at work, 
> and other major endeavors. I use pages and text edit for some other things, 
> but still find there are situations when ms word is necessary. if I don’t 
> have access to office 365, how would I get office 2016 without getting 365? 
> thanks.
> I would say what I really need are word and excell. I can do without outlook.
> thanks.
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RE: ms office 2016 for mac

[george b]

Go to

www.microsoft.com/office

on that page you will find the entire seuite for office or you can get word and 
excel as stand alones.

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Hwllo all,

I am wondering  about the overall accessibility for vo with office 2016 on the 
Mac. I am thinking of getting it since I use the windows version at work, and 
other major endeavors. I use pages and text edit for some other things, but 
still find there are situations when ms word is necessary. if I don’t have 
access to office 365, how would I get office 2016 without getting 365? thanks.
I would say what I really need are word and excell. I can do without outlook.
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ms office 2016 for mac

[denise avant]

Hwllo all,

I am wondering  about the overall accessibility for vo with office 2016 on the 
Mac. I am thinking of getting it since I use the windows version at work, and 
other major endeavors. I use pages and text edit for some other things, but 
still find there are situations when ms word is necessary. if I don’t have 
access to office 365, how would I get office 2016 without getting 365? thanks.
I would say what I really need are word and excell. I can do without outlook.
thanks.

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Re: Office 2016: Sending Feedback On Found Bugs

[Sean Murphy]

Hi,

I Could not find the keystrokes to activate the ribbon bar like windows. Cmd is 
the same as Alt under windows by the way. This is a feature request that needs 
to be added. Also be aware, word uses Windows keystrokes to select and navigate 
through the document. I have already lodged this as a bug. Do not know if they 
will fix it.  For example:

ctrl a does not take you to the beginning of the paragraph. Rather it selects 
all the text.

Sean 


> On 20 May 2015, at 11:57 am, Eileen  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi George and Sean Again,
> 
> First, let me apologize to you Sean for misspelling your name. I have seen it 
> spelled 3 different ways 'now. I know this is slightly different then the 
> current subject line, but I'll post it anyways. Is the navigation in Word 
> 2016 following the voiceover commands found in let's say Pages or TextEdit? 
> Because I have been a heavy PC user of the Office Suite products, I keep 
> thinking that the Office Suite on the Mac would react the same with similar 
> keystroke equivalents. So, what I mean is on the Office PC side, one could 
> use ALT-H to open the "Home" tab and then arrow down to access the ribbon. On 
> the Mac, the ALT key is the Option key, so would this logic work? I just 
> closed out Word 2016, so I can't test that. I have an idea that the answer is 
> no. That's why I posed my question at the top of this post in order for me to 
> begin to rethink the whole Navigation process in Office on the Mac.
> 
> Thanks for my rambling and reading this.
> 
> Best,
> Eileen
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 19, 2015, at 3:58 PM, george b  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah, yes, I remember they moved it to the ribbon and I am not at my mac at 
>> this moment either or I would look.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sean Murphy
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 15:42
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Office 2016: Sending Feedback On Found Bugs
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> The option to send feedback in relation to improvements or bugs is found on 
>> the ribbon bar. Not on the menu. I am not on my Mac, so I cannot give you 
>> step by step instructions.
>> 
>> In relation to bug reporting, everyone should post them here so other's can 
>> test them and also report them.
>> 
>> 
>> MS is aware of the table problem and spell check bugs.  In saying this, it 
>> doesn't stop you reporting the issue.
>> 
>> I will have to look into the list and header issues. I will report this to 
>> MS directly to my contact.
>> 
>> So if anyone else has issues, please post them so others are aware and can 
>> support your case. If you have idea's to improve also post. We have a 
>> perfect time to improve office for the Mac. Let's not miss it.
>> 
>> 
>> Sean 
>> 
>> My experience is the part 
>> 
>>> On 20 May 2015, at 3:28 am, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All, 
>>> 
>>> I know that this has been discussed before, but I have missed placed where 
>>> I need to send my feedback to (address) in regards to bugs that or features 
>>> that are not fixed or accessible to voiceover. I would appreciate it if 
>>> someone could post that email address. There are several items that I want 
>>> to have MS address or at least document that these are still bugs for those 
>>> who need to use voiceover. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance. 
>>> 
>>> Cheers, 
>>> Eileen  
>>> 
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Re: Mac Office 2016 new pre-release is out

[Andrew Lamanche]

This is a set of Office apps you can download and use locally on your mac 
computer.
> On 20 May 2015, at 03:35, denise avant  wrote:
> 
> Is this the Office onlin version i.e. office 365 or is there a product that 
> can be downloaded?
> 
>> On May 17, 2015, at 8:49 AM, george b  wrote:
>> 
>> Go to
>> 
>> www.office.com
>> 
>> in the search field type in office 2016 preview for mac
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of denise avant
>> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 05:21
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mac Office 2016 new pre-release is out
>> 
>> hello all,
>> How can one get a copy of office 2016 for the MAC?
>> For example is it part of office 365?
>> Thanks.
>> 
>>> On May 17, 2015, at 3:22 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sean,
>>> 
>>> Perfect!  Thank you so much for letting us know.  Do you see any more 
>>> improvements, off hand?
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Sean Murphy" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 3:58 AM
>>> Subject: Mac Office 2016 new pre-release is out
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> All,
>>>> 
>>>> A new release of Microsoft Office 2016 is now available via the automatic 
>>>> update if you have already downloaded it before.
>>>> 
>>>> Sean
>>>> 
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Re: Mac Office 2016 new pre-release is out

[denise avant]

Is this the Office onlin version i.e. office 365 or is there a product that can 
be downloaded?

> On May 17, 2015, at 8:49 AM, george b  wrote:
> 
> Go to
> 
> www.office.com
> 
> in the search field type in office 2016 preview for mac
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of denise avant
> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 05:21
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac Office 2016 new pre-release is out
> 
> hello all,
> How can one get a copy of office 2016 for the MAC?
> For example is it part of office 365?
> Thanks.
> 
>> On May 17, 2015, at 3:22 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Sean,
>> 
>> Perfect!  Thank you so much for letting us know.  Do you see any more 
>> improvements, off hand?
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Sean Murphy" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 3:58 AM
>> Subject: Mac Office 2016 new pre-release is out
>> 
>> 
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> A new release of Microsoft Office 2016 is now available via the automatic 
>>> update if you have already downloaded it before.
>>> 
>>> Sean
>>> 
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Re: Office 2016: Sending Feedback On Found Bugs

[Eileen]

Hi George and Sean Again,

First, let me apologize to you Sean for misspelling your name. I have seen it 
spelled 3 different ways 'now. I know this is slightly different then the 
current subject line, but I'll post it anyways. Is the navigation in Word 2016 
following the voiceover commands found in let's say Pages or TextEdit? Because 
I have been a heavy PC user of the Office Suite products, I keep thinking that 
the Office Suite on the Mac would react the same with similar keystroke 
equivalents. So, what I mean is on the Office PC side, one could use ALT-H to 
open the "Home" tab and then arrow down to access the ribbon. On the Mac, the 
ALT key is the Option key, so would this logic work? I just closed out Word 
2016, so I can't test that. I have an idea that the answer is no. That's why I 
posed my question at the top of this post in order for me to begin to rethink 
the whole Navigation process in Office on the Mac.

Thanks for my rambling and reading this.

Best,
Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 19, 2015, at 3:58 PM, george b  wrote:
> 
> Ah, yes, I remember they moved it to the ribbon and I am not at my mac at 
> this moment either or I would look.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sean Murphy
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 15:42
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Office 2016: Sending Feedback On Found Bugs
> 
> Hello,
> 
> The option to send feedback in relation to improvements or bugs is found on 
> the ribbon bar. Not on the menu. I am not on my Mac, so I cannot give you 
> step by step instructions.
> 
> In relation to bug reporting, everyone should post them here so other's can 
> test them and also report them.
> 
> 
> MS is aware of the table problem and spell check bugs.  In saying this, it 
> doesn't stop you reporting the issue.
> 
> I will have to look into the list and header issues. I will report this to MS 
> directly to my contact.
> 
> So if anyone else has issues, please post them so others are aware and can 
> support your case. If you have idea's to improve also post. We have a perfect 
> time to improve office for the Mac. Let's not miss it.
> 
> 
> Sean 
> 
> My experience is the part 
> 
>> On 20 May 2015, at 3:28 am, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All, 
>> 
>> I know that this has been discussed before, but I have missed placed where I 
>> need to send my feedback to (address) in regards to bugs that or features 
>> that are not fixed or accessible to voiceover. I would appreciate it if 
>> someone could post that email address. There are several items that I want 
>> to have MS address or at least document that these are still bugs for those 
>> who need to use voiceover. 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance. 
>> 
>> Cheers, 
>> Eileen  
>> 
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Re: Office 2016: Sending Feedback On Found Bugs

[Eileen]

Hi George, and shawn,

Thanks for suggesting to check the ribbon. I need to get use to the Mac way of 
doing things and where or how to access them. I found the "Help Improve Office" 
tab next to my "Developer" tab. and used a VO-SPACE on it. I'm now going to 
explore all of the tabs and see if I can solve some of it, if that's possible 
and will definitely send my findings to MS. 

Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction.

Cheers,
Eileen 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 19, 2015, at 3:58 PM, george b  wrote:
> 
> Ah, yes, I remember they moved it to the ribbon and I am not at my mac at 
> this moment either or I would look.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sean Murphy
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 15:42
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Office 2016: Sending Feedback On Found Bugs
> 
> Hello,
> 
> The option to send feedback in relation to improvements or bugs is found on 
> the ribbon bar. Not on the menu. I am not on my Mac, so I cannot give you 
> step by step instructions.
> 
> In relation to bug reporting, everyone should post them here so other's can 
> test them and also report them.
> 
> 
> MS is aware of the table problem and spell check bugs.  In saying this, it 
> doesn't stop you reporting the issue.
> 
> I will have to look into the list and header issues. I will report this to MS 
> directly to my contact.
> 
> So if anyone else has issues, please post them so others are aware and can 
> support your case. If you have idea's to improve also post. We have a perfect 
> time to improve office for the Mac. Let's not miss it.
> 
> 
> Sean 
> 
> My experience is the part 
> 
>> On 20 May 2015, at 3:28 am, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All, 
>> 
>> I know that this has been discussed before, but I have missed placed where I 
>> need to send my feedback to (address) in regards to bugs that or features 
>> that are not fixed or accessible to voiceover. I would appreciate it if 
>> someone could post that email address. There are several items that I want 
>> to have MS address or at least document that these are still bugs for those 
>> who need to use voiceover. 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance. 
>> 
>> Cheers, 
>> Eileen  
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RE: Office 2016: Sending Feedback On Found Bugs

[george b]

Ah, yes, I remember they moved it to the ribbon and I am not at my mac at this 
moment either or I would look.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Sean Murphy
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 15:42
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Office 2016: Sending Feedback On Found Bugs

Hello,

The option to send feedback in relation to improvements or bugs is found on the 
ribbon bar. Not on the menu. I am not on my Mac, so I cannot give you step by 
step instructions.

In relation to bug reporting, everyone should post them here so other's can 
test them and also report them.


MS is aware of the table problem and spell check bugs.  In saying this, it 
doesn't stop you reporting the issue.

I will have to look into the list and header issues. I will report this to MS 
directly to my contact.

So if anyone else has issues, please post them so others are aware and can 
support your case. If you have idea's to improve also post. We have a perfect 
time to improve office for the Mac. Let's not miss it.


Sean 

My experience is the part 

> On 20 May 2015, at 3:28 am, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
> 
> Hello All, 
> 
> I know that this has been discussed before, but I have missed placed where I 
> need to send my feedback to (address) in regards to bugs that or features 
> that are not fixed or accessible to voiceover. I would appreciate it if 
> someone could post that email address. There are several items that I want to 
> have MS address or at least document that these are still bugs for those who 
> need to use voiceover. 
> 
> Thanks in advance. 
> 
> Cheers, 
> Eileen  
> 
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Re: Office 2016: Sending Feedback On Found Bugs

[Sean Murphy]

Hello,

The option to send feedback in relation to improvements or bugs is found on the 
ribbon bar. Not on the menu. I am not on my Mac, so I cannot give you step by 
step instructions.

In relation to bug reporting, everyone should post them here so other's can 
test them and also report them.


MS is aware of the table problem and spell check bugs.  In saying this, it 
doesn't stop you reporting the issue.

I will have to look into the list and header issues. I will report this to MS 
directly to my contact.

So if anyone else has issues, please post them so others are aware and can 
support your case. If you have idea's to improve also post. We have a perfect 
time to improve office for the Mac. Let's not miss it.


Sean 

My experience is the part 

> On 20 May 2015, at 3:28 am, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
> 
> Hello All, 
> 
> I know that this has been discussed before, but I have missed placed where I 
> need to send my feedback to (address) in regards to bugs that or features 
> that are not fixed or accessible to voiceover. I would appreciate it if 
> someone could post that email address. There are several items that I want to 
> have MS address or at least document that these are still bugs for those who 
> need to use voiceover. 
> 
> Thanks in advance. 
> 
> Cheers, 
> Eileen  
> 
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RE: Office 2016: Sending Feedback On Found Bugs

[george b]

When I am in word, I go to help, then using the trackpad I flick down with one 
finger to I get to send feedback and doubble tap with one finger on the 
trackpad to open the window.

I can not access this with voice over keys and arrows or just even arrows

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Eileen
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 15:07
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Office 2016: Sending Feedback On Found Bugs


Hello, 

First, I want to say that I did open the help menu hoping to find a support or 
send feedback button, but that option was not listed. That's why I posted on 
the list. I know this was discussed before, but I have misplaced the info on 
that email address.

Secondly, here are some of the items that I guess I'm calling bugs or are not 
accessible with VO.

1. I typed a few misspelled words in a doc. The spell checker is better than 
before, but when I open it VO annnounces "image," which gives me no idea on 
which word is not spelled right. Only when I tab over to the suggestions table 
do I know the word in question.
2. I created a table of 3 rows and 3 columns, but I can't do much more than 
have VO read this to me. There is no grid to navigate in or out of a cell. I 
know that there was another recent post on accessing tables, so I won't discuss 
this one further. 
3. I use bullets in my docs from time to time. I could access the 
bulleted/numbers dialog and select the bullet type I wanted to use. However, 
when back in a doc and creating my list, I couldn't tell if the bullets were 
placed infront of the text where I wanted it to be. This is something that one 
has access to in Word 2010 or 2013 with the Pc screen readers of choice. 
4. When creating instructional materials for work, I use either 3-4 different 
heading styles. I did open the styles dialog and tabbed over to the list table. 
When I interacted with the table, I only had 7 choices and heading 1-2-3-4 were 
not in the choices. In previous Office 2016 Preview, I could at least scroll 
through many rows, but find these options. There isn't a simple solution like 
on the Windows side in Office 2010 or 2013 where one can use a Windows 
keystroke to add the various heading levels. Maybe someone else can chime in on 
this one, but it shouldn't be so lavorious to do these attribute changes. 

Sorry for the long post, but you wanted to know my experience with the new 
update. I finally got frustrated enough and closed Word 2016 and performed my 
tasks with Word 2010 where everything works. :) 

Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 19, 2015, at 10:41 AM, george b  wrote:
> 
> First of all what are the bugs? We are all in this together.
> Second you can go to the help menu and down to I think it is send feedback
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eileen Misrahi
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 10:28
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Office 2016: Sending Feedback On Found Bugs
> 
> Hello All, 
> 
> I know that this has been discussed before, but I have missed placed where I 
> need to send my feedback to (address) in regards to bugs that or features 
> that are not fixed or accessible to voiceover. I would appreciate it if 
> someone could post that email address. There are several items that I want to 
> have MS address or at least document that these are still bugs for those who 
> need to use voiceover. 
> 
> Thanks in advance. 
> 
> Cheers, 
> Eileen  
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Re: Office 2016: Sending Feedback On Found Bugs

[Eileen]

Hello, 

First, I want to say that I did open the help menu hoping to find a support or 
send feedback button, but that option was not listed. That's why I posted on 
the list. I know this was discussed before, but I have misplaced the info on 
that email address.

Secondly, here are some of the items that I guess I'm calling bugs or are not 
accessible with VO.

1. I typed a few misspelled words in a doc. The spell checker is better than 
before, but when I open it VO annnounces "image," which gives me no idea on 
which word is not spelled right. Only when I tab over to the suggestions table 
do I know the word in question.
2. I created a table of 3 rows and 3 columns, but I can't do much more than 
have VO read this to me. There is no grid to navigate in or out of a cell. I 
know that there was another recent post on accessing tables, so I won't discuss 
this one further. 
3. I use bullets in my docs from time to time. I could access the 
bulleted/numbers dialog and select the bullet type I wanted to use. However, 
when back in a doc and creating my list, I couldn't tell if the bullets were 
placed infront of the text where I wanted it to be. This is something that one 
has access to in Word 2010 or 2013 with the Pc screen readers of choice. 
4. When creating instructional materials for work, I use either 3-4 different 
heading styles. I did open the styles dialog and tabbed over to the list table. 
When I interacted with the table, I only had 7 choices and heading 1-2-3-4 were 
not in the choices. In previous Office 2016 Preview, I could at least scroll 
through many rows, but find these options. There isn't a simple solution like 
on the Windows side in Office 2010 or 2013 where one can use a Windows 
keystroke to add the various heading levels. Maybe someone else can chime in on 
this one, but it shouldn't be so lavorious to do these attribute changes. 

Sorry for the long post, but you wanted to know my experience with the new 
update. I finally got frustrated enough and closed Word 2016 and performed my 
tasks with Word 2010 where everything works. :) 

Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 19, 2015, at 10:41 AM, george b  wrote:
> 
> First of all what are the bugs? We are all in this together.
> Second you can go to the help menu and down to I think it is send feedback
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eileen Misrahi
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 10:28
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Office 2016: Sending Feedback On Found Bugs
> 
> Hello All, 
> 
> I know that this has been discussed before, but I have missed placed where I 
> need to send my feedback to (address) in regards to bugs that or features 
> that are not fixed or accessible to voiceover. I would appreciate it if 
> someone could post that email address. There are several items that I want to 
> have MS address or at least document that these are still bugs for those who 
> need to use voiceover. 
> 
> Thanks in advance. 
> 
> Cheers, 
> Eileen  
> 
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RE: Office 2016: Sending Feedback On Found Bugs

[george b]

First of all what are the bugs? We are all in this together.
Second you can go to the help menu and down to I think it is send feedback

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On Behalf Of Eileen Misrahi
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 10:28
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Office 2016: Sending Feedback On Found Bugs

Hello All, 

I know that this has been discussed before, but I have missed placed where I 
need to send my feedback to (address) in regards to bugs that or features that 
are not fixed or accessible to voiceover. I would appreciate it if someone 
could post that email address. There are several items that I want to have MS 
address or at least document that these are still bugs for those who need to 
use voiceover. 

Thanks in advance. 

Cheers, 
Eileen  

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Office 2016: Sending Feedback On Found Bugs

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello All, 

I know that this has been discussed before, but I have missed placed where I 
need to send my feedback to (address) in regards to bugs that or features that 
are not fixed or accessible to voiceover. I would appreciate it if someone 
could post that email address. There are several items that I want to have MS 
address or at least document that these are still bugs for those who need to 
use voiceover. 

Thanks in advance. 

Cheers, 
Eileen  

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Re: Mac Office 2016 new pre-release is out

[Sean Murphy]

All,

A simple search on google provided the link.

https://products.office.com/en-us/office-2016-preview 
<https://products.office.com/en-us/office-2016-preview>

Sean  

> On 18 May 2015, at 5:48 am, Deb Lewis  wrote:
> 
> I’ve noticed that it doesn’t offer the updates but if you go to update, 
> you’ll get it if it’s there and it will download the updater if needed.
> I just check about once a week since it’s not too reliable about offering 
> them.
> 
>> On May 17, 2015, at 5:23 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Is the auto updater a separate download? I haven’t gotten a notification 
>> about an update here so i suspect i don’t have the update.
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 17 maj 2015 kl. 14:20 skrev denise avant :
>>> 
>>> hello all,
>>> How can one get a copy of office 2016 for the MAC?
>>> For example is it part of office 365?
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>>> On May 17, 2015, at 3:22 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Sean,
>>>> 
>>>> Perfect!  Thank you so much for letting us know.  Do you see any more 
>>>> improvements, off hand?
>>>> 
>>>> Chris.
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message - From: "Sean Murphy" 
>>>> To: 
>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 3:58 AM
>>>> Subject: Mac Office 2016 new pre-release is out
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> A new release of Microsoft Office 2016 is now available via the automatic 
>>>>> update if you have already downloaded it before.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sean
>>>>> 
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Re: Mac Office 2016 new pre-release is out

[Deb Lewis]

I’ve noticed that it doesn’t offer the updates but if you go to update, you’ll 
get it if it’s there and it will download the updater if needed.
I just check about once a week since it’s not too reliable about offering them.

> On May 17, 2015, at 5:23 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> Is the auto updater a separate download? I haven’t gotten a notification 
> about an update here so i suspect i don’t have the update.
> /Krister
> 
>> 17 maj 2015 kl. 14:20 skrev denise avant :
>> 
>> hello all,
>> How can one get a copy of office 2016 for the MAC?
>> For example is it part of office 365?
>> Thanks.
>> 
>>> On May 17, 2015, at 3:22 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sean,
>>> 
>>> Perfect!  Thank you so much for letting us know.  Do you see any more 
>>> improvements, off hand?
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Sean Murphy" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 3:58 AM
>>> Subject: Mac Office 2016 new pre-release is out
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> All,
>>>> 
>>>> A new release of Microsoft Office 2016 is now available via the automatic 
>>>> update if you have already downloaded it before.
>>>> 
>>>> Sean
>>>> 
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RE: Mac Office 2016 new pre-release is out

[george b]

Go to

www.office.com

in the search field type in office 2016 preview for mac

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On Behalf Of denise avant
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 05:21
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mac Office 2016 new pre-release is out

hello all,
How can one get a copy of office 2016 for the MAC?
For example is it part of office 365?
Thanks.

> On May 17, 2015, at 3:22 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Sean,
> 
> Perfect!  Thank you so much for letting us know.  Do you see any more 
> improvements, off hand?
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Sean Murphy" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 3:58 AM
> Subject: Mac Office 2016 new pre-release is out
> 
> 
>> All,
>> 
>> A new release of Microsoft Office 2016 is now available via the automatic 
>> update if you have already downloaded it before.
>> 
>> Sean
>> 
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Re: Mac Office 2016 new pre-release is out

[Krister Ekstrom]

Is the auto updater a separate download? I haven’t gotten a notification about 
an update here so i suspect i don’t have the update.
/Krister

> 17 maj 2015 kl. 14:20 skrev denise avant :
> 
> hello all,
> How can one get a copy of office 2016 for the MAC?
> For example is it part of office 365?
> Thanks.
> 
>> On May 17, 2015, at 3:22 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Sean,
>> 
>> Perfect!  Thank you so much for letting us know.  Do you see any more 
>> improvements, off hand?
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message ----- From: "Sean Murphy" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 3:58 AM
>> Subject: Mac Office 2016 new pre-release is out
>> 
>> 
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> A new release of Microsoft Office 2016 is now available via the automatic 
>>> update if you have already downloaded it before.
>>> 
>>> Sean
>>> 
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Re: Mac Office 2016 new pre-release is out

[denise avant]

hello all,
How can one get a copy of office 2016 for the MAC?
For example is it part of office 365?
Thanks.

> On May 17, 2015, at 3:22 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Sean,
> 
> Perfect!  Thank you so much for letting us know.  Do you see any more 
> improvements, off hand?
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Sean Murphy" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 3:58 AM
> Subject: Mac Office 2016 new pre-release is out
> 
> 
>> All,
>> 
>> A new release of Microsoft Office 2016 is now available via the automatic 
>> update if you have already downloaded it before.
>> 
>> Sean
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Re: Mac Office 2016 new pre-release is out

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Sean,

Perfect!  Thank you so much for letting us know.  Do you see any more 
improvements, off hand?


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Sean Murphy" 

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Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 3:58 AM
Subject: Mac Office 2016 new pre-release is out



All,

A new release of Microsoft Office 2016 is now available via the automatic 
update if you have already downloaded it before.


Sean

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Mac Office 2016 new pre-release is out

[Sean Murphy]

All,

A new release of Microsoft Office 2016 is now available via the automatic 
update if you have already downloaded it before. 

Sean 

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Re: Programmability of Office 2016

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Barry, that is a darn good thing to know!  So in theory, if we needed more 
flexability, within reason, it could be possibly done.


Wow, this day is getting better and better by the minute.  LOL!

Chris.

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From: "Barry Hadder" 

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Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 4:12 PM
Subject: Programmability of Office 2016


Just wanted to give all OS X automators a heads up that there is massive 
scripting support for Word and Office in general.  Can’t say for the other 
apps, but I would think that there probably is for them as well.
I don’t think I will perches any office apps myself, but I’m finding this 
development very interesting

Later.

Barry Hadder
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Programmability of Office 2016

[Barry Hadder]

Just wanted to give all OS X automators a heads up that there is massive 
scripting support for Word and Office in general.  Can’t say for the other 
apps, but I would think that there probably is for them as well.
I don’t think I will perches any office apps myself, but I’m finding this 
development very interesting
Later.

Barry Hadder
bhad...@gmail.com



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Re: office 2016 preview

[Sean Murphy]

Not yet for accessablity. 

My experience is the part 

> On 5 Mar 2015, at 10:30 am, Juan Hernandez  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone tried the new office 2016 preview released today?
>  
> I’m going to try and install it in a few minutes.
>  
> Best,
>  
> Juan M. Hernandez
> Access technology Specialist
> Braille Institute of America
> 4555 Executive Drive
> San Diego CA, 92121
> 858-452- Ext. 5020
> juanhbi...@gmail.com
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Re: office 2016 preview

[Joe Quinn]

So much for them saying it'd be accessible. 

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> On Mar 5, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Justin Mann  wrote:
> 
> I did, and it is not accessible.  you can’t edit documents in the document 
> payne.  We’re left out in the cold again.
>> On Mar 5, 2015, at 12:30 PM, Juan Hernandez  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone tried the new office 2016 preview released today?
>>  
>> I’m going to try and install it in a few minutes.
>>  
>> Best,
>>  
>> Juan M. Hernandez
>> Access technology Specialist
>> Braille Institute of America
>> 4555 Executive Drive
>> San Diego CA, 92121
>> 858-452- Ext. 5020
>> juanhbi...@gmail.com
>>  
>> 
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office 2016 preview

[Juan Hernandez]

Has anyone tried the new office 2016 preview released today?

 

I'm going to try and install it in a few minutes.

 

Best,

 

Juan M. Hernandez

Access technology Specialist

Braille Institute of America

4555 Executive Drive

San Diego CA, 92121

858-452- Ext. 5020

juanhbi...@gmail.com

 

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Re: office 2016 preview

[Justin Mann]

I did, and it is not accessible.  you can’t edit documents in the document 
payne.  We’re left out in the cold again.
> On Mar 5, 2015, at 12:30 PM, Juan Hernandez  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone tried the new office 2016 preview released today?
>  
> I’m going to try and install it in a few minutes.
>  
> Best,
>  
> Juan M. Hernandez
> Access technology Specialist
> Braille Institute of America
> 4555 Executive Drive
> San Diego CA, 92121
> 858-452- Ext. 5020
> juanhbi...@gmail.com <mailto:juanhbi...@gmail.com>
>  
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