Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported

[Scott Granados]

Nah, you don’t want them, they aren’t a good phone.

We recycle them because we want get these devices out of circulation.  Also we 
don’t want any liability for any of the gear so it all gets wiped and broken 
down for their components.
 

> On Aug 21, 2017, at 4:49 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Well rather than throwing them away send a couple my way, I've got family 
> that will use them 
> 
> Hell that's a waste of a good device.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Monday, 21 August 2017 2:11 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported
> 
> The S8 has many reboot issues, freezing, the fingerprint censor is mounted 
> right next to the camera so you smudge your lens every time you authenticate, 
> the processor is slow, the Bixby feature isn’t that compelling other than 
> good internal phone control, and I could keep going.  Mainly another lack 
> luster at best showing from Samsung.  Some like the phone but I used it for a 
> week and at the end convinced work to send over 150 of them to the recycler 
> my experience was so unfavorable.
> 
>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 10:48 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> What's wrong with the S8 devices?
>> 
>> And why re release the note 7, it's a dog of a device, no one will trust it 
>> and besides they will have to release at a lower price to fit in with the 
>> note 8 release
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Saturday, 19 August 2017 4:31 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported
>> 
>> Funnier than that Simon, Samsung is rereleasing the note 7 as well.  SO 
>> there’s almost certainly fires in our future.:). My employer just sent 150 
>> S8 phones to the recycler.
>> 
>>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 4:19 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> Your comments on Samsung and their products recall and release,
>>> 
>>> The proof should be released on Wednesday the 23rd august,
>>> 
>>> Samsung are to release the new note 8,
>>> 
>>> No word yet on it's burn time but hey we all remember the note 7
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Lets see what happens this time round.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2017 9:03 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported
>>> 
>>> Well actually Gary the features they leave out usually make sense including 
>>> in this case.  Let’s review.
>>> 
>>> First, the HSPA. /3G wasn’t supported because the initial chipsets were 
>>> awful.  Also very little was deployed across the network.
>>> Then LTE was with held until the 5, do you remember how bad the other 
>>> LTE phones who were early were?  The HTC phones barely worked and had a 2 
>>> hour battery life, Sprint was using that really bad WIMAX standard, 
>>> T-Mobile was all in on 3G and pushing HSPA+ heavily and there was a 
>>> shortage of LTE chips.
>>> Now in the case of the watch, there’s no good full featured LTE 
>>> chip yet that includes VOLTE.  There’s also no mixed 3 and 4G chips that 
>>> will fit in a watch.  In combination with this, where are you going to put 
>>> the sim?  By the time you have the tray and sim itself plus the slot you 
>>> use up to much space not to mention increase the complexity of water 
>>> proofing.  The E-SIM saves a lot of space for the actual LTE radio and 
>>> modem hardware and you still have the full bluetooth channel back to your 
>>> phone for placing calls. FaceTime or Skype would also likely be options 
>>> over this high speed data channel but VOLTE isn’t included.O. (Qualcomm 
>>> doesn’t have that included yet). So you have to build for the parts you can 
>>> get access to and this year data only is the option.  Remember the phones 
>>> all started out LTE data only at first as well, not just Apple but everyone.
>>> 
>>> Apple doesn’t put something in a phone or product until it really works, 
>>> every time.  You might get more bleeding edge options in other brands but 
>>> you get the instability to go with it.  Samsung is a good example of this 
>>> with their restarts and history of cellular problems.  Samsung has good 
>>> ability to field upgrade with software to correct these problems though but 
>>> Apple is shooting for a stable error free but conservative experience.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Aug 16, 2017, at 2:05 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
 
 Tersting that aple is always taking out  features from the devices. I 
 really 

Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported

[lenron brown]

I said the same thing what a waste, but I still find the phone to be
lovely. Waiting on the IPhone 8 as well though. I won't be getting it
if it will not have touch id because I have gotten use to using that
in most apps. It will probably take most apps to upgrade to face reg.
a couple months.

On 8/21/17, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Well rather than throwing them away send a couple my way, I've got family
> that will use them
>
> Hell that's a waste of a good device.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Monday, 21 August 2017 2:11 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not
> supported
>
> The S8 has many reboot issues, freezing, the fingerprint censor is mounted
> right next to the camera so you smudge your lens every time you
> authenticate, the processor is slow, the Bixby feature isn’t that compelling
> other than good internal phone control, and I could keep going.  Mainly
> another lack luster at best showing from Samsung.  Some like the phone but I
> used it for a week and at the end convinced work to send over 150 of them to
> the recycler my experience was so unfavorable.
>
>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 10:48 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>
>> What's wrong with the S8 devices?
>>
>> And why re release the note 7, it's a dog of a device, no one will trust
>> it and besides they will have to release at a lower price to fit in with
>> the note 8 release
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Saturday, 19 August 2017 4:31 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not
>> supported
>>
>> Funnier than that Simon, Samsung is rereleasing the note 7 as well.  SO
>> there’s almost certainly fires in our future.:). My employer just sent 150
>> S8 phones to the recycler.
>>
>>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 4:19 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>>
>>> Scott,
>>>
>>> Your comments on Samsung and their products recall and release,
>>>
>>> The proof should be released on Wednesday the 23rd august,
>>>
>>> Samsung are to release the new note 8,
>>>
>>> No word yet on it's burn time but hey we all remember the note 7
>>>
>>>
>>> Lets see what happens this time round.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2017 9:03 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not
>>> supported
>>>
>>> Well actually Gary the features they leave out usually make sense
>>> including in this case.  Let’s review.
>>>
>>> First, the HSPA. /3G wasn’t supported because the initial chipsets were
>>> awful.  Also very little was deployed across the network.
>>> Then LTE was with held until the 5, do you remember how bad the other
>>> LTE phones who were early were?  The HTC phones barely worked and had a 2
>>> hour battery life, Sprint was using that really bad WIMAX standard,
>>> T-Mobile was all in on 3G and pushing HSPA+ heavily and there was a
>>> shortage of LTE chips.
>>> Now in the case of the watch, there’s no good full featured LTE 
>>> chip
>>> yet that includes VOLTE.  There’s also no mixed 3 and 4G chips that will
>>> fit in a watch.  In combination with this, where are you going to put the
>>> sim?  By the time you have the tray and sim itself plus the slot you use
>>> up to much space not to mention increase the complexity of water
>>> proofing.  The E-SIM saves a lot of space for the actual LTE radio and
>>> modem hardware and you still have the full bluetooth channel back to your
>>> phone for placing calls. FaceTime or Skype would also likely be options
>>> over this high speed data channel but VOLTE isn’t included.O. (Qualcomm
>>> doesn’t have that included yet). So you have to build for the parts you
>>> can get access to and this year data only is the option.  Remember the
>>> phones all started out LTE data only at first as well, not just Apple but
>>> everyone.
>>>
>>> Apple doesn’t put something in a phone or product until it really works,
>>> every time.  You might get more bleeding edge options in other brands but
>>> you get the instability to go with it.  Samsung is a good example of this
>>> with their restarts and history of cellular problems.  Samsung has good
>>> ability to field upgrade with software to correct these problems though
>>> but Apple is shooting for a stable error free but conservative
>>> experience.
>>>
>>>
>>> Aug 16, 2017, at 2:05 PM, gary-melconian 
>>> wrote:

 Tersting that aple is always taking out  features from the devices. I
 really 

RE: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported

[Simon Fogarty]

Well rather than throwing them away send a couple my way, I've got family that 
will use them 

Hell that's a waste of a good device.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, 21 August 2017 2:11 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported

The S8 has many reboot issues, freezing, the fingerprint censor is mounted 
right next to the camera so you smudge your lens every time you authenticate, 
the processor is slow, the Bixby feature isn’t that compelling other than good 
internal phone control, and I could keep going.  Mainly another lack luster at 
best showing from Samsung.  Some like the phone but I used it for a week and at 
the end convinced work to send over 150 of them to the recycler my experience 
was so unfavorable.

> On Aug 18, 2017, at 10:48 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> What's wrong with the S8 devices?
> 
> And why re release the note 7, it's a dog of a device, no one will trust it 
> and besides they will have to release at a lower price to fit in with the 
> note 8 release
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Saturday, 19 August 2017 4:31 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported
> 
> Funnier than that Simon, Samsung is rereleasing the note 7 as well.  SO 
> there’s almost certainly fires in our future.:). My employer just sent 150 S8 
> phones to the recycler.
> 
>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 4:19 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> Your comments on Samsung and their products recall and release,
>> 
>> The proof should be released on Wednesday the 23rd august,
>> 
>> Samsung are to release the new note 8,
>> 
>> No word yet on it's burn time but hey we all remember the note 7
>> 
>> 
>> Lets see what happens this time round.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2017 9:03 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported
>> 
>> Well actually Gary the features they leave out usually make sense including 
>> in this case.  Let’s review.
>> 
>> First, the HSPA. /3G wasn’t supported because the initial chipsets were 
>> awful.  Also very little was deployed across the network.
>>  Then LTE was with held until the 5, do you remember how bad the other 
>> LTE phones who were early were?  The HTC phones barely worked and had a 2 
>> hour battery life, Sprint was using that really bad WIMAX standard, T-Mobile 
>> was all in on 3G and pushing HSPA+ heavily and there was a shortage of LTE 
>> chips.
>>  Now in the case of the watch, there’s no good full featured LTE 
>> chip yet that includes VOLTE.  There’s also no mixed 3 and 4G chips that 
>> will fit in a watch.  In combination with this, where are you going to put 
>> the sim?  By the time you have the tray and sim itself plus the slot you use 
>> up to much space not to mention increase the complexity of water proofing.  
>> The E-SIM saves a lot of space for the actual LTE radio and modem hardware 
>> and you still have the full bluetooth channel back to your phone for placing 
>> calls. FaceTime or Skype would also likely be options over this high speed 
>> data channel but VOLTE isn’t included.O. (Qualcomm doesn’t have that 
>> included yet). So you have to build for the parts you can get access to and 
>> this year data only is the option.  Remember the phones all started out LTE 
>> data only at first as well, not just Apple but everyone.
>> 
>> Apple doesn’t put something in a phone or product until it really works, 
>> every time.  You might get more bleeding edge options in other brands but 
>> you get the instability to go with it.  Samsung is a good example of this 
>> with their restarts and history of cellular problems.  Samsung has good 
>> ability to field upgrade with software to correct these problems though but 
>> Apple is shooting for a stable error free but conservative experience.
>> 
>> 
>> Aug 16, 2017, at 2:05 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tersting that aple is always taking out  features from the devices. I 
>>> really wonder wht in the hell tim cook is thinking.
>>> 
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Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported

[Scott Granados]

The S8 has many reboot issues, freezing, the fingerprint censor is mounted 
right next to the camera so you smudge your lens every time you authenticate, 
the processor is slow, the Bixby feature isn’t that compelling other than good 
internal phone control, and I could keep going.  Mainly another lack luster at 
best showing from Samsung.  Some like the phone but I used it for a week and at 
the end convinced work to send over 150 of them to the recycler my experience 
was so unfavorable.

> On Aug 18, 2017, at 10:48 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> What's wrong with the S8 devices?
> 
> And why re release the note 7, it's a dog of a device, no one will trust it 
> and besides they will have to release at a lower price to fit in with the 
> note 8 release
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Saturday, 19 August 2017 4:31 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported
> 
> Funnier than that Simon, Samsung is rereleasing the note 7 as well.  SO 
> there’s almost certainly fires in our future.:). My employer just sent 150 S8 
> phones to the recycler.
> 
>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 4:19 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> Your comments on Samsung and their products recall and release,
>> 
>> The proof should be released on Wednesday the 23rd august,
>> 
>> Samsung are to release the new note 8,
>> 
>> No word yet on it's burn time but hey we all remember the note 7
>> 
>> 
>> Lets see what happens this time round.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2017 9:03 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported
>> 
>> Well actually Gary the features they leave out usually make sense including 
>> in this case.  Let’s review.
>> 
>> First, the HSPA. /3G wasn’t supported because the initial chipsets were 
>> awful.  Also very little was deployed across the network.
>>  Then LTE was with held until the 5, do you remember how bad the other 
>> LTE phones who were early were?  The HTC phones barely worked and had a 2 
>> hour battery life, Sprint was using that really bad WIMAX standard, T-Mobile 
>> was all in on 3G and pushing HSPA+ heavily and there was a shortage of LTE 
>> chips.
>>  Now in the case of the watch, there’s no good full featured LTE 
>> chip yet that includes VOLTE.  There’s also no mixed 3 and 4G chips that 
>> will fit in a watch.  In combination with this, where are you going to put 
>> the sim?  By the time you have the tray and sim itself plus the slot you use 
>> up to much space not to mention increase the complexity of water proofing.  
>> The E-SIM saves a lot of space for the actual LTE radio and modem hardware 
>> and you still have the full bluetooth channel back to your phone for placing 
>> calls. FaceTime or Skype would also likely be options over this high speed 
>> data channel but VOLTE isn’t included.O. (Qualcomm doesn’t have that 
>> included yet). So you have to build for the parts you can get access to and 
>> this year data only is the option.  Remember the phones all started out LTE 
>> data only at first as well, not just Apple but everyone.
>> 
>> Apple doesn’t put something in a phone or product until it really works, 
>> every time.  You might get more bleeding edge options in other brands but 
>> you get the instability to go with it.  Samsung is a good example of this 
>> with their restarts and history of cellular problems.  Samsung has good 
>> ability to field upgrade with software to correct these problems though but 
>> Apple is shooting for a stable error free but conservative experience.
>> 
>> 
>> Aug 16, 2017, at 2:05 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tersting that aple is always taking out  features from the devices. I 
>>> really wonder wht in the hell tim cook is thinking.
>>> 
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RE: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported

[Simon Fogarty]

What's wrong with the S8 devices?

And why re release the note 7, it's a dog of a device, no one will trust it and 
besides they will have to release at a lower price to fit in with the note 8 
release 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Saturday, 19 August 2017 4:31 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported

Funnier than that Simon, Samsung is rereleasing the note 7 as well.  SO there’s 
almost certainly fires in our future.:). My employer just sent 150 S8 phones to 
the recycler.

> On Aug 18, 2017, at 4:19 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> Your comments on Samsung and their products recall and release,
> 
> The proof should be released on Wednesday the 23rd august,
> 
> Samsung are to release the new note 8,
> 
> No word yet on it's burn time but hey we all remember the note 7
> 
> 
> Lets see what happens this time round.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2017 9:03 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported
> 
> Well actually Gary the features they leave out usually make sense including 
> in this case.  Let’s review.
> 
> First, the HSPA. /3G wasn’t supported because the initial chipsets were 
> awful.  Also very little was deployed across the network.
>   Then LTE was with held until the 5, do you remember how bad the other 
> LTE phones who were early were?  The HTC phones barely worked and had a 2 
> hour battery life, Sprint was using that really bad WIMAX standard, T-Mobile 
> was all in on 3G and pushing HSPA+ heavily and there was a shortage of LTE 
> chips.
>   Now in the case of the watch, there’s no good full featured LTE 
> chip yet that includes VOLTE.  There’s also no mixed 3 and 4G chips that will 
> fit in a watch.  In combination with this, where are you going to put the 
> sim?  By the time you have the tray and sim itself plus the slot you use up 
> to much space not to mention increase the complexity of water proofing.  The 
> E-SIM saves a lot of space for the actual LTE radio and modem hardware and 
> you still have the full bluetooth channel back to your phone for placing 
> calls. FaceTime or Skype would also likely be options over this high speed 
> data channel but VOLTE isn’t included.O. (Qualcomm doesn’t have that included 
> yet). So you have to build for the parts you can get access to and this year 
> data only is the option.  Remember the phones all started out LTE data only 
> at first as well, not just Apple but everyone.
> 
> Apple doesn’t put something in a phone or product until it really works, 
> every time.  You might get more bleeding edge options in other brands but you 
> get the instability to go with it.  Samsung is a good example of this with 
> their restarts and history of cellular problems.  Samsung has good ability to 
> field upgrade with software to correct these problems though but Apple is 
> shooting for a stable error free but conservative experience.
> 
> 
>  Aug 16, 2017, at 2:05 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
>> 
>> Tersting that aple is always taking out  features from the devices. I really 
>> wonder wht in the hell tim cook is thinking. 
>> 
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Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported

[Scott Granados]

Simon, the watch does this now  If you have WiFi calling support from your 
carrier you can shut your phone off entirely and still place and receive calls 
as long as your watch is connected to WiFi.  This feature came out in 2.1 if 
memory serves of Watch OS.  That may be another tight way of supporting calling 
on the watch.  Since the feature is there now it should work over LTE just 
fine, exactly like the iPad does.


> On Aug 18, 2017, at 6:21 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> This doesn't really make a lot of sense if there is no direct calling.
> 
> Ok you might get mobile data through the LTE but calling directly from the 
> watch would be great, although power draining on something watch sized.
> 
> Besides phone calling is possible through the watch now but as we know only 
> if the phone is within contact distance of the watch.
> 
> What would be wrong with a watch that utilizes the mobile account on the 
> phone to also be able to directly make phone calls  so that one account is 
> used by both devices even though  they are separate units.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2017 5:36 AM
> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
> Subject: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported
> 
> Interesting article about the cellular connection that will be added to the 
> Apple Watch 3.   Looks like an LTE and non LTE version will be available.  No 
> direct phone calling support but no reason SIP or other IP based calling 
> solutions (FaceTime) won’t work.  Read more here.
> 
> https://9to5mac.com/2017/08/16/kgi-apple-watch-lte-esim-phone/?pushup=1
> 
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RE: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported

[Simon Fogarty]

This doesn't really make a lot of sense if there is no direct calling.

Ok you might get mobile data through the LTE but calling directly from the 
watch would be great, although power draining on something watch sized.

 Besides phone calling is possible through the watch now but as we know only if 
the phone is within contact distance of the watch.

What would be wrong with a watch that utilizes the mobile account on the phone 
to also be able to directly make phone calls  so that one account is used by 
both devices even though  they are separate units.

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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2017 5:36 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
Subject: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported

Interesting article about the cellular connection that will be added to the 
Apple Watch 3.   Looks like an LTE and non LTE version will be available.  No 
direct phone calling support but no reason SIP or other IP based calling 
solutions (FaceTime) won’t work.  Read more here.

https://9to5mac.com/2017/08/16/kgi-apple-watch-lte-esim-phone/?pushup=1

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Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported

[lenron brown]

Better than recycling them I would have soled. I guess when your a
major company no need to though. I kind of agree about the note 7
though that device didn't need to be released again.

On 8/18/17, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Funnier than that Simon, Samsung is rereleasing the note 7 as well.  SO
> there’s almost certainly fires in our future.:). My employer just sent 150
> S8 phones to the recycler.
>
>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 4:19 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> Your comments on Samsung and their products recall and release,
>>
>> The proof should be released on Wednesday the 23rd august,
>>
>> Samsung are to release the new note 8,
>>
>> No word yet on it's burn time but hey we all remember the note 7
>>
>>
>> Lets see what happens this time round.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2017 9:03 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not
>> supported
>>
>> Well actually Gary the features they leave out usually make sense
>> including in this case.  Let’s review.
>>
>> First, the HSPA. /3G wasn’t supported because the initial chipsets were
>> awful.  Also very little was deployed across the network.
>>  Then LTE was with held until the 5, do you remember how bad the other 
>> LTE
>> phones who were early were?  The HTC phones barely worked and had a 2 hour
>> battery life, Sprint was using that really bad WIMAX standard, T-Mobile
>> was all in on 3G and pushing HSPA+ heavily and there was a shortage of LTE
>> chips.
>>  Now in the case of the watch, there’s no good full featured LTE 
>> chip yet
>> that includes VOLTE.  There’s also no mixed 3 and 4G chips that will fit
>> in a watch.  In combination with this, where are you going to put the sim?
>>  By the time you have the tray and sim itself plus the slot you use up to
>> much space not to mention increase the complexity of water proofing.  The
>> E-SIM saves a lot of space for the actual LTE radio and modem hardware and
>> you still have the full bluetooth channel back to your phone for placing
>> calls. FaceTime or Skype would also likely be options over this high speed
>> data channel but VOLTE isn’t included.O. (Qualcomm doesn’t have that
>> included yet). So you have to build for the parts you can get access to
>> and this year data only is the option.  Remember the phones all started
>> out LTE data only at first as well, not just Apple but everyone.
>>
>> Apple doesn’t put something in a phone or product until it really works,
>> every time.  You might get more bleeding edge options in other brands but
>> you get the instability to go with it.  Samsung is a good example of this
>> with their restarts and history of cellular problems.  Samsung has good
>> ability to field upgrade with software to correct these problems though
>> but Apple is shooting for a stable error free but conservative
>> experience.
>>
>>
>>  Aug 16, 2017, at 2:05 PM, gary-melconian 
>> wrote:
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>>> really wonder wht in the hell tim cook is thinking.
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Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported

[Scott Granados]

Funnier than that Simon, Samsung is rereleasing the note 7 as well.  SO there’s 
almost certainly fires in our future.:). My employer just sent 150 S8 phones to 
the recycler.

> On Aug 18, 2017, at 4:19 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> Your comments on Samsung and their products recall and release,
> 
> The proof should be released on Wednesday the 23rd august,
> 
> Samsung are to release the new note 8,
> 
> No word yet on it's burn time but hey we all remember the note 7
> 
> 
> Lets see what happens this time round.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2017 9:03 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported
> 
> Well actually Gary the features they leave out usually make sense including 
> in this case.  Let’s review.
> 
> First, the HSPA. /3G wasn’t supported because the initial chipsets were 
> awful.  Also very little was deployed across the network.
>   Then LTE was with held until the 5, do you remember how bad the other 
> LTE phones who were early were?  The HTC phones barely worked and had a 2 
> hour battery life, Sprint was using that really bad WIMAX standard, T-Mobile 
> was all in on 3G and pushing HSPA+ heavily and there was a shortage of LTE 
> chips.
>   Now in the case of the watch, there’s no good full featured LTE 
> chip yet that includes VOLTE.  There’s also no mixed 3 and 4G chips that will 
> fit in a watch.  In combination with this, where are you going to put the 
> sim?  By the time you have the tray and sim itself plus the slot you use up 
> to much space not to mention increase the complexity of water proofing.  The 
> E-SIM saves a lot of space for the actual LTE radio and modem hardware and 
> you still have the full bluetooth channel back to your phone for placing 
> calls. FaceTime or Skype would also likely be options over this high speed 
> data channel but VOLTE isn’t included.O. (Qualcomm doesn’t have that included 
> yet). So you have to build for the parts you can get access to and this year 
> data only is the option.  Remember the phones all started out LTE data only 
> at first as well, not just Apple but everyone.
> 
> Apple doesn’t put something in a phone or product until it really works, 
> every time.  You might get more bleeding edge options in other brands but you 
> get the instability to go with it.  Samsung is a good example of this with 
> their restarts and history of cellular problems.  Samsung has good ability to 
> field upgrade with software to correct these problems though but Apple is 
> shooting for a stable error free but conservative experience.
> 
> 
>  Aug 16, 2017, at 2:05 PM, gary-melconian  wrote:
>> 
>> Tersting that aple is always taking out  features from the devices. I really 
>> wonder wht in the hell tim cook is thinking. 
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RE: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported

[Simon Fogarty]

Scott,

 Your comments on Samsung and their products recall and release,

 The proof should be released on Wednesday the 23rd august,

 Samsung are to release the new note 8,

 No word yet on it's burn time but hey we all remember the note 7


Lets see what happens this time round.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2017 9:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported

Well actually Gary the features they leave out usually make sense including in 
this case.  Let’s review.

First, the HSPA. /3G wasn’t supported because the initial chipsets were awful.  
Also very little was deployed across the network.
Then LTE was with held until the 5, do you remember how bad the other 
LTE phones who were early were?  The HTC phones barely worked and had a 2 hour 
battery life, Sprint was using that really bad WIMAX standard, T-Mobile was all 
in on 3G and pushing HSPA+ heavily and there was a shortage of LTE chips.
Now in the case of the watch, there’s no good full featured LTE 
chip yet that includes VOLTE.  There’s also no mixed 3 and 4G chips that will 
fit in a watch.  In combination with this, where are you going to put the sim?  
By the time you have the tray and sim itself plus the slot you use up to much 
space not to mention increase the complexity of water proofing.  The E-SIM 
saves a lot of space for the actual LTE radio and modem hardware and you still 
have the full bluetooth channel back to your phone for placing calls. FaceTime 
or Skype would also likely be options over this high speed data channel but 
VOLTE isn’t included.O. (Qualcomm doesn’t have that included yet). So you have 
to build for the parts you can get access to and this year data only is the 
option.  Remember the phones all started out LTE data only at first as well, 
not just Apple but everyone.

Apple doesn’t put something in a phone or product until it really works, every 
time.  You might get more bleeding edge options in other brands but you get the 
instability to go with it.  Samsung is a good example of this with their 
restarts and history of cellular problems.  Samsung has good ability to field 
upgrade with software to correct these problems though but Apple is shooting 
for a stable error free but conservative experience.


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> wonder wht in the hell tim cook is thinking. 
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Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported

[lenron brown]

Same here well I will keep it on my wish list for now. The fact that I
will be able to get it directly from T-Mobile is a major plus.

On 8/16/17, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Lenron, you still should be able to.  Remember you can still connect back to
> the phone over bluetooth and with a 60 foot range or more that’s pretty
> useful.  Outside that you should be able to use the data channel for Skype
> or FaceTime.
>
> Most things on the watch are data driven anyway.  I like the idea in a way
> of just wearing the watch, no phone.
>
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>> I was all excited about the damn watch because I figured I would be
>> able to make calls from it. I was for sure going to get one, hell even
>> if I am able to use it for facetime it still might be a go. I have
>> been hoping apple would make a watch where I didn't need the phone
>> around all the time.
>>
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 Tersting that aple is always taking out  features from the devices. I
 really wonder wht in the hell tim cook is thinking.

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Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported

[Scott Granados]

Lenron, you still should be able to.  Remember you can still connect back to 
the phone over bluetooth and with a 60 foot range or more that’s pretty useful. 
 Outside that you should be able to use the data channel for Skype or FaceTime. 
 

Most things on the watch are data driven anyway.  I like the idea in a way of 
just wearing the watch, no phone.
 
> On Aug 16, 2017, at 4:50 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> I was all excited about the damn watch because I figured I would be
> able to make calls from it. I was for sure going to get one, hell even
> if I am able to use it for facetime it still might be a go. I have
> been hoping apple would make a watch where I didn't need the phone
> around all the time.
> 
> On 8/16/17, E.T.  wrote:
>>Ask him.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 8/16/2017 11:05 AM, gary-melconian wrote:
>>> Tersting that aple is always taking out  features from the devices. I
>>> really wonder wht in the hell tim cook is thinking.
>>> 
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Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported

[Scott Granados]

Well actually Gary the features they leave out usually make sense including in 
this case.  Let’s review.

First, the HSPA. /3G wasn’t supported because the initial chipsets were awful.  
Also very little was deployed across the network.
Then LTE was with held until the 5, do you remember how bad the other 
LTE phones who were early were?  The HTC phones barely worked and had a 2 hour 
battery life, Sprint was using that really bad WIMAX standard, T-Mobile was all 
in on 3G and pushing HSPA+ heavily and there was a shortage of LTE chips.
Now in the case of the watch, there’s no good full featured LTE 
chip yet that includes VOLTE.  There’s also no mixed 3 and 4G chips that will 
fit in a watch.  In combination with this, where are you going to put the sim?  
By the time you have the tray and sim itself plus the slot you use up to much 
space not to mention increase the complexity of water proofing.  The E-SIM 
saves a lot of space for the actual LTE radio and modem hardware and you still 
have the full bluetooth channel back to your phone for placing calls. FaceTime 
or Skype would also likely be options over this high speed data channel but 
VOLTE isn’t included.O. (Qualcomm doesn’t have that included yet). So you have 
to build for the parts you can get access to and this year data only is the 
option.  Remember the phones all started out LTE data only at first as well, 
not just Apple but everyone.

Apple doesn’t put something in a phone or product until it really works, every 
time.  You might get more bleeding edge options in other brands but you get the 
instability to go with it.  Samsung is a good example of this with their 
restarts and history of cellular problems.  Samsung has good ability to field 
upgrade with software to correct these problems though but Apple is shooting 
for a stable error free but conservative experience.


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> Tersting that aple is always taking out  features from the devices. I really 
> wonder wht in the hell tim cook is thinking. 
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Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported

[lenron brown]

I was all excited about the damn watch because I figured I would be
able to make calls from it. I was for sure going to get one, hell even
if I am able to use it for facetime it still might be a go. I have
been hoping apple would make a watch where I didn't need the phone
around all the time.

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> On 8/16/2017 11:05 AM, gary-melconian wrote:
>> Tersting that aple is always taking out  features from the devices. I
>> really wonder wht in the hell tim cook is thinking.
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Re: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported

[E.T.]

   Ask him.

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On 8/16/2017 11:05 AM, gary-melconian wrote:

Tersting that aple is always taking out  features from the devices. I really 
wonder wht in the hell tim cook is thinking.



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RE: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported

[gary-melconian]

Tersting that aple is always taking out  features from the devices. I really 
wonder wht in the hell tim cook is thinking. 

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