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Hi Hank, I don't think that if you buy an app that turns out not to be VO friendly that the developer would necessarily refund the amount of purchase from the iTunes Store. But you might contact the developer, O'Reilly Media in this case, and ask whether these book apps are accessible with VO on the iPhone. Incidentally, if you're just looking for information on migrating from Windows, I'd guess that the Take Control book would work fine for you. Reading is very easy under Preview, and you can go directly to the parts you're interested in. I wouldn't know how VO treats ebooks in an app, or how you would navigate through links, and search or jump to selected text on the iPhone. The thing about the Take Control guides is that it's very easy to go in with a specific question and find an answer. For that reason, even some people who don't like reading manuals like these guides. HTH Cheers, Esther On Aug 7, 2009, hank smith wrote: > > Hello > thanks for this verry informative info > one thing I am wondering if I purchase a iphone application and it > isn't vo friendly am I out 4.95? > how does something like that work with software apps? > Hank > On Aug 7, 2009, Esther wrote: > >> >> Hi Hank, >> >> There's a version of "Switching to the Mac: The Missing Manual, >> Leopard edition" from O'Reilly Media, Inc. that's available as an >> iPhone app for $4.99: >> >> http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=325837189&mt=8 >> >> I don't know whether this is accessible through VO on the iPhone. >> From Josh's comments, the ebook versions that are offered through the >> Stanza app interface aren't quite accessible to VO. (I'm not quite >> sure what he meant by his impression that they were "almost >> accessible".) However, many ebooks offered as stand-alone apps for >> the iPhone do seem to be accessible. That said, someone who has an >> iPhone and is proficient with VO navigation would have to check out >> how easy it is to navigate to the various chapters, search for text, >> etc. >> >> There's also a version of Pogue's "iPhone: The Missing Manual, Third >> Edition" that cover the iPhone 3GS available as an iPhone app for >> $4.99: >> >> http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=324601015&mt=8 >> >> When the last version was released, it was the top selling ebook over >> the of a few weeks after it was released. I assume this book may be >> of >> less use to VO users since it won't cover special tips for using the >> VO gestures, but it will give general informtion. Again, no >> information about VO accessibility here. >> >> The reason I would love to know whether Stanza is or can be made >> accessible to VoiceOver on the iPhone is that this is the major >> competitor for ebook usage to the Kindle, and that there are tons of >> both free and paid ebooks, all free of DRM, that can use this >> interface. I've read that some low vision users are using this app >> on >> the iPhone. >> >> If you look in the list archives, you'll see recommendations to both >> the O'Reilly books that are availble from Bookshare (including >> Pogue's >> Missing Manual series -- not just the volume for switching from >> Windows) and to the Take Control downloadable ebooks. For example, >> this November 2008 post even mentions "Switching to the Mac: The >> Missing Manual, Leopard edition" as being of possible interest to >> list >> members even though it was answering a point of someone who was >> coming >> into the Mac from a linux background with a suggestion of another >> O'Reilly book from Bookshare: >> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss%40macvisionaries.com/ >> msg44372.html >> (Mac OS X for Linux and Unix users) >> >> That post details the best way I've found to search for O'Reilly >> books >> at Bookshare and also notes that all O'Reilly books are available to >> international Bookshare users. Since the material is supplied >> directly from the publisher, who also maintains commercial on-line >> versions of the book and sells these in (non-DRM) PDF and other ebook >> formats, the content quality is high, and the available work is up to >> date. For Les, it's sometimes difficult to check the latest version >> of a book on Bookshare; you should always click on the title link and >> check the publish date. I usually also go directly to the O'Reilly >> pages: http://www.oreilly.com where you can also check whether a new >> edition may be coming out. Then I look for it in Bookshare. >> >> Another really excellent series are the "Take Control" books. You >> can try looking at their "Take Control of Switching to the Mac": >> >> http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/switching >> >> These are highly accessible guides in downloadable PDF format that >> typically list for $10. This format allows the authors to quickly >> issue updates, and when you purchase a guide you can check for the >> latest update and download it for free from the We
Re: Book Resource
Hello thanks for this verry informative info one thing I am wondering if I purchase a iphone application and it isn't vo friendly am I out 4.95? how does something like that work with software apps? Hank On Aug 7, 2009, at 2:55 PM, Esther wrote: > > Hi Hank, > > There's a version of "Switching to the Mac: The Missing Manual, > Leopard edition" from O'Reilly Media, Inc. that's available as an > iPhone app for $4.99: > > http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=325837189&mt=8 > > I don't know whether this is accessible through VO on the iPhone. > From Josh's comments, the ebook versions that are offered through the > Stanza app interface aren't quite accessible to VO. (I'm not quite > sure what he meant by his impression that they were "almost > accessible".) However, many ebooks offered as stand-alone apps for > the iPhone do seem to be accessible. That said, someone who has an > iPhone and is proficient with VO navigation would have to check out > how easy it is to navigate to the various chapters, search for text, > etc. > > There's also a version of Pogue's "iPhone: The Missing Manual, Third > Edition" that cover the iPhone 3GS available as an iPhone app for > $4.99: > > http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=324601015&mt=8 > > When the last version was released, it was the top selling ebook over > the of a few weeks after it was released. I assume this book may be of > less use to VO users since it won't cover special tips for using the > VO gestures, but it will give general informtion. Again, no > information about VO accessibility here. > > The reason I would love to know whether Stanza is or can be made > accessible to VoiceOver on the iPhone is that this is the major > competitor for ebook usage to the Kindle, and that there are tons of > both free and paid ebooks, all free of DRM, that can use this > interface. I've read that some low vision users are using this app on > the iPhone. > > If you look in the list archives, you'll see recommendations to both > the O'Reilly books that are availble from Bookshare (including Pogue's > Missing Manual series -- not just the volume for switching from > Windows) and to the Take Control downloadable ebooks. For example, > this November 2008 post even mentions "Switching to the Mac: The > Missing Manual, Leopard edition" as being of possible interest to list > members even though it was answering a point of someone who was coming > into the Mac from a linux background with a suggestion of another > O'Reilly book from Bookshare: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss%40macvisionaries.com/msg44372.html > (Mac OS X for Linux and Unix users) > > That post details the best way I've found to search for O'Reilly books > at Bookshare and also notes that all O'Reilly books are available to > international Bookshare users. Since the material is supplied > directly from the publisher, who also maintains commercial on-line > versions of the book and sells these in (non-DRM) PDF and other ebook > formats, the content quality is high, and the available work is up to > date. For Les, it's sometimes difficult to check the latest version > of a book on Bookshare; you should always click on the title link and > check the publish date. I usually also go directly to the O'Reilly > pages: http://www.oreilly.com where you can also check whether a new > edition may be coming out. Then I look for it in Bookshare. > > Another really excellent series are the "Take Control" books. You > can try looking at their "Take Control of Switching to the Mac": > > http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/switching > > These are highly accessible guides in downloadable PDF format that > typically list for $10. This format allows the authors to quickly > issue updates, and when you purchase a guide you can check for the > latest update and download it for free from the Web site until the > next major revision (a couple of years later). Chances are, if you're > on the mailing list, they'll tell you when the next major release > comes out, and offer you a discount. Their web site allows you to > download free samples of all their books, so you can see whether the > content and style is likely to match your needs. Navigation supports > links to relevant sections in Preview. > > HTH > > Cheers, > > Esther > > P.S. I don't have any of the Windows related Take Control books, but > if I decided to install Fusion on my Mac, I would personally get their > Take Control of VMWare Fusion. > > > > hank smith wrote: > >> >> any other way to get it besides book share? >> On Aug 5, 2009, at 2:26 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Anna, >>> >>> Thanks very much for this resource. I went to bookshare and grabbed >>> it and >>> will be reading it on my Icon BP. I noticed there were 2 books, one >>> for >>> Tiger and one for Leopard which is the one I downloaded. Sounds >>> like this >>> will be right up my alley! >>> >>> Les >>> >>> >> >> >>>
Re: Book Resource
Hi Hank, There's a version of "Switching to the Mac: The Missing Manual, Leopard edition" from O'Reilly Media, Inc. that's available as an iPhone app for $4.99: http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=325837189&mt=8 I don't know whether this is accessible through VO on the iPhone. From Josh's comments, the ebook versions that are offered through the Stanza app interface aren't quite accessible to VO. (I'm not quite sure what he meant by his impression that they were "almost accessible".) However, many ebooks offered as stand-alone apps for the iPhone do seem to be accessible. That said, someone who has an iPhone and is proficient with VO navigation would have to check out how easy it is to navigate to the various chapters, search for text, etc. There's also a version of Pogue's "iPhone: The Missing Manual, Third Edition" that cover the iPhone 3GS available as an iPhone app for $4.99: http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=324601015&mt=8 When the last version was released, it was the top selling ebook over the of a few weeks after it was released. I assume this book may be of less use to VO users since it won't cover special tips for using the VO gestures, but it will give general informtion. Again, no information about VO accessibility here. The reason I would love to know whether Stanza is or can be made accessible to VoiceOver on the iPhone is that this is the major competitor for ebook usage to the Kindle, and that there are tons of both free and paid ebooks, all free of DRM, that can use this interface. I've read that some low vision users are using this app on the iPhone. If you look in the list archives, you'll see recommendations to both the O'Reilly books that are availble from Bookshare (including Pogue's Missing Manual series -- not just the volume for switching from Windows) and to the Take Control downloadable ebooks. For example, this November 2008 post even mentions "Switching to the Mac: The Missing Manual, Leopard edition" as being of possible interest to list members even though it was answering a point of someone who was coming into the Mac from a linux background with a suggestion of another O'Reilly book from Bookshare: http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss%40macvisionaries.com/msg44372.html (Mac OS X for Linux and Unix users) That post details the best way I've found to search for O'Reilly books at Bookshare and also notes that all O'Reilly books are available to international Bookshare users. Since the material is supplied directly from the publisher, who also maintains commercial on-line versions of the book and sells these in (non-DRM) PDF and other ebook formats, the content quality is high, and the available work is up to date. For Les, it's sometimes difficult to check the latest version of a book on Bookshare; you should always click on the title link and check the publish date. I usually also go directly to the O'Reilly pages: http://www.oreilly.com where you can also check whether a new edition may be coming out. Then I look for it in Bookshare. Another really excellent series are the "Take Control" books. You can try looking at their "Take Control of Switching to the Mac": http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/switching These are highly accessible guides in downloadable PDF format that typically list for $10. This format allows the authors to quickly issue updates, and when you purchase a guide you can check for the latest update and download it for free from the Web site until the next major revision (a couple of years later). Chances are, if you're on the mailing list, they'll tell you when the next major release comes out, and offer you a discount. Their web site allows you to download free samples of all their books, so you can see whether the content and style is likely to match your needs. Navigation supports links to relevant sections in Preview. HTH Cheers, Esther P.S. I don't have any of the Windows related Take Control books, but if I decided to install Fusion on my Mac, I would personally get their Take Control of VMWare Fusion. hank smith wrote: > > any other way to get it besides book share? > On Aug 5, 2009, at 2:26 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: > >> >> Hi Anna, >> >> Thanks very much for this resource. I went to bookshare and grabbed >> it and >> will be reading it on my Icon BP. I noticed there were 2 books, one >> for >> Tiger and one for Leopard which is the one I downloaded. Sounds >> like this >> will be right up my alley! >> >> Les >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, v
Re: Book Resource
We offer most of the Apple manuals in DAISY, braille and other formats. www.cucat.org Gregory Kearney Manager - Accessible Media Association for the Blind of Western Australia 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101 Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202 Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America) Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696 Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only) Email: gkear...@gmail.com On 06/08/2009, at 4:29 PM, hank smith wrote: > > any other way to get it besides book share? > On Aug 5, 2009, at 2:26 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: > >> >> Hi Anna, >> >> Thanks very much for this resource. I went to bookshare and grabbed >> it and >> will be reading it on my Icon BP. I noticed there were 2 books, one >> for >> Tiger and one for Leopard which is the one I downloaded. Sounds >> like this >> will be right up my alley! >> >> Les >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Book Resource
How about NLS or Audible? Les -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of hank smith Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:29 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Book Resource any other way to get it besides book share? On Aug 5, 2009, at 2:26 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: > > Hi Anna, > > Thanks very much for this resource. I went to bookshare and grabbed > it and will be reading it on my Icon BP. I noticed there were 2 > books, one for Tiger and one for Leopard which is the one I > downloaded. Sounds like this will be right up my alley! > > Les > > > > __ NOD32 4311 (20090806) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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any other way to get it besides book share? On Aug 5, 2009, at 2:26 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: > > Hi Anna, > > Thanks very much for this resource. I went to bookshare and grabbed > it and > will be reading it on my Icon BP. I noticed there were 2 books, one > for > Tiger and one for Leopard which is the one I downloaded. Sounds > like this > will be right up my alley! > > Les > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Book Resource
Hi Les, You're welcome. My mother-in-law switched to a Mac a couple of weeks after I did, and she recommended the book. I'm so glad she did. There's supposed to be a Snow Leopard edition out in October; since it's an O'Reilly book and O'Reilly lets Bookshare publish all their stuff, I think there's a good chance that version will be available soon after it comes out in print. Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
