Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

2019-12-17 Thread Lorie McCloud 
I did this for Amazon and facebook (the main site) and may do it for Audible 
too. 

thanks.
Lorie

> On Dec 13, 2019, at 3:55 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> As Johnathan suggested.  You can set up an Activity to have Amazon's web 
> address behave in a specific manner with VO.  Using the suggestion I gave of 
> having the Mouse Pointer ignore the VO Cursor instead of attempting to work 
> with Java.  Amazon also has a link on their front page that reads something 
> to the effect of "Amazon has updated its screen reader friendly version of 
> our site.  Click on this link to access it."
> 
> Although, if you'd like to create the activity to do what I've suggested, do 
> the following:
> 
> • open the VO Utility
> • cmd-0, or select Activities from the categories table.
> • press the Add an Activity button.
> • give it a name
> • stop interacting with the table and expand the "Additional Setting to 
> Include" item.
> • check the Navigation checkbox.
> • press the "Set Navigation" button.
> • make sure that the Mouse Pointer ignores the VO Cursor and close this 
> dialog.
> • navigate to the Apps & Web-sites menu item and add www.amazon.com 
> .
> • close everything and you should be good.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 13, 2019, at 14:39, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> this happens to me all the time and it's really frustrating. "close" doesn't 
> seem to do anything. sometimes I can go down past that stuff and slowly move 
> up to read about it. I'd like to disable java script for Amazon. can somebody 
> please coach me on this?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
>> On Dec 13, 2019, at 11:52 AM, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Okay, frustrated enough to ask for help.
>> 
>> I use amazon.com  (and this happens with m.amazon.com 
>> , also) to shop for stuff. I do a search for an item, 
>> find a list of suggestions.
>> I click on a suggestion.
>> I tab or use single-letter nav to jump to headings to try and find a 
>> description of the item.
>> Invariably I get sucked into a page or sub-page or window where all I can 
>> get are the rating percentages and a close button.
>> I click on the close button and the same darn stuff pops up again.
>> 
>> I get dragged into this swamp even if I try to navigate with VO+right/left 
>> arrows. Once I get stuck, I can’t get out. I feel like Brer Rabbit and the 
>> tar-baby in the Uncle Remus story.
>> 
>> Help, I’m stuck and can’t get out.
>> 
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
>> 
>> 
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Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

2019-12-15 Thread 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
Hi,
Here is a message on this subject by Tim Kilburn
  from another list.
———
Hi,

As Johnathan suggested.  You can set up an Activity to have Amazon's web 
address behave in a specific manner with VO.  Using the suggestion I gave of 
having the Mouse Pointer ignore the VO Cursor instead of attempting to work 
with Java.  Amazon also has a link on their front page that reads something to 
the effect of "Amazon has updated its screen reader friendly version of our 
site.  Click on this link to access it."

Although, if you'd like to create the activity to do what I've suggested, do 
the following:

• open the VO Utility
• cmd-0, or select Activities from the categories table.
• press the Add an Activity button.
• give it a name
• stop interacting with the table and expand the "Additional Setting to 
Include" item.
• check the Navigation checkbox.
• press the "Set Navigation" button.
• make sure that the Mouse Pointer ignores the VO Cursor and close this dialog.
• navigate to the Apps & Web-sites menu item and add www.amazon.com 
.
• close everything and you should be good.

HTH.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


> On Dec 13, 2019, at 4:55 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> As Johnathan suggested.  You can set up an Activity to have Amazon's web 
> address behave in a specific manner with VO.  Using the suggestion I gave of 
> having the Mouse Pointer ignore the VO Cursor instead of attempting to work 
> with Java.  Amazon also has a link on their front page that reads something 
> to the effect of "Amazon has updated its screen reader friendly version of 
> our site.  Click on this link to access it."
> 
> Although, if you'd like to create the activity to do what I've suggested, do 
> the following:
> 
> • open the VO Utility
> • cmd-0, or select Activities from the categories table.
> • press the Add an Activity button.
> • give it a name
> • stop interacting with the table and expand the "Additional Setting to 
> Include" item.
> • check the Navigation checkbox.
> • press the "Set Navigation" button.
> • make sure that the Mouse Pointer ignores the VO Cursor and close this 
> dialog.
> • navigate to the Apps & Web-sites menu item and add www.amazon.com 
> .
> • close everything and you should be good.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 13, 2019, at 14:39, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> this happens to me all the time and it's really frustrating. "close" doesn't 
> seem to do anything. sometimes I can go down past that stuff and slowly move 
> up to read about it. I'd like to disable java script for Amazon. can somebody 
> please coach me on this?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
>> On Dec 13, 2019, at 11:52 AM, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Okay, frustrated enough to ask for help.
>> 
>> I use amazon.com  (and this happens with m.amazon.com 
>> , also) to shop for stuff. I do a search for an item, 
>> find a list of suggestions.
>> I click on a suggestion.
>> I tab or use single-letter nav to jump to headings to try and find a 
>> description of the item.
>> Invariably I get sucked into a page or sub-page or window where all I can 
>> get are the rating percentages and a close button.
>> I click on the close button and the same darn stuff pops up again.
>> 
>> I get dragged into this swamp even if I try to navigate with VO+right/left 
>> arrows. Once I get stuck, I can’t get out. I feel like Brer Rabbit and the 
>> tar-baby in the Uncle Remus story.
>> 
>> Help, I’m stuck and can’t get out.
>> 
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

2019-12-14 Thread Barry Hadder 
That is correct.  It is in navigation.

You don’t want to permanently disable java script.  You would only disable it 
in situations where you are having problems.  It’s a band-aid rather than a 
fix.  It also doesn’t always work.  But it is something to try in certain 
situations.  Some times temporarily disabling styles works as well 

> On Dec 14, 2019, at 21:31, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I think it's in the vo utility. I have to go in there and look but there's 
> something maybe in navigation where you can have the vo and mouse cursors 
> synchronized or not. I'm going to go play with it. I'd rather not doanything 
> that I'd have to keep switching back and forth. maybe disabling java script 
> would work better. not sure yet as I don't have to worry about choosing 
> colors. if you set an activity what do you set it up to do?
> 
> Lorie
> 
>> On Dec 14, 2019, at 8:13 PM, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Barry,
>> Not sure I was able to find where you mention to not have VO move the mouse 
>> constantly. Where would I find that?
>> 
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
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Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

2019-12-14 Thread Lorie McCloud 
I think it's in the vo utility. I have to go in there and look but there's 
something maybe in navigation where you can have the vo and mouse cursors 
synchronized or not. I'm going to go play with it. I'd rather not doanything 
that I'd have to keep switching back and forth. maybe disabling java script 
would work better. not sure yet as I don't have to worry about choosing colors. 
if you set an activity what do you set it up to do?

Lorie

> On Dec 14, 2019, at 8:13 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Barry,
> Not sure I was able to find where you mention to not have VO move the mouse 
> constantly. Where would I find that?
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Musician, Engineer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
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Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

2019-12-14 Thread Lorie McCloud 
how do you set up an activity in the vo utility? 

thanks.
Lorie

> On Dec 14, 2019, at 12:10 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Yes, I’ve also noticed Safari being sluggish when there is an activity. To 
> stop that loading message, add a verbosity adjustment to the Safari activity.
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Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

2019-12-14 Thread Dave Carlson 
Barry,
Not sure I was able to find where you mention to not have VO move the mouse 
constantly. Where would I find that?


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Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

2019-12-14 Thread Barry Hadder 
You can stop the loading announcement on the Amazon page just by restarting 
voiceover.
Also, having vo set to constantly move the mouse around will usually slow 
things down to some degree.  There is no benefit in having it set that way for 
normal usage.


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Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

2019-12-14 Thread Dave Carlson 
Yes, I’ve also noticed Safari being sluggish when there is an activity. To stop 
that loading message, add a verbosity adjustment to the Safari activity.

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Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

2019-12-14 Thread Greg Wocher 
Hello,
To enable the developer menu you need to open up safari preferences. Once here 
go to the advanced settings then you should find a checkbox to enable the 
developer menu.

Greg Wocher


> On Dec 13, 2019, at 5:21 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> how do you enable the developer menu in Safari? 
> 
> lately I haven't even been able to use the moving by headings to get around 
> those annoying popups.
> 
> Lorie
> 
>> On Dec 13, 2019, at 12:26 PM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> One work around is to enable the developer menu in Safari. Once this is done 
>> you can disable javascript from within the developer menu. However once this 
>> is done you will not be able to select things like color or other options 
>> for items that include these. To do that you will have to turn javascript 
>> back on. Another way around this is to move by headings and move to the one 
>> right past the items name. You can then move up to get some of the item 
>> details. 
>> 
>> Greg Wocher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 13, 2019, at 1:16 PM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Dave,
>>> Same thing here!
>>> Even with what I think is the special Amazon accessibility link!
>>> Need a work around!
>>> Chuck
>>> "God does not play dice with the universe"
>>> "Albert Einstein’
>>> 
>>> On Dec 13, 2019, at 12:52 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
>>> 
 Okay, frustrated enough to ask for help.
 
 I use amazon.com (and this happens with m.amazon.com, also) to shop for 
 stuff. I do a search for an item, find a list of suggestions.
 I click on a suggestion.
 I tab or use single-letter nav to jump to headings to try and find a 
 description of the item.
 Invariably I get sucked into a page or sub-page or window where all I can 
 get are the rating percentages and a close button.
 I click on the close button and the same darn stuff pops up again.
 
 I get dragged into this swamp even if I try to navigate with VO+right/left 
 arrows. Once I get stuck, I can’t get out. I feel like Brer Rabbit and the 
 tar-baby in the Uncle Remus story.
 
 Help, I’m stuck and can’t get out.
 
 
 Dave Carlson
 Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
 
 
 
 
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Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

2019-12-14 Thread Greg Wocher 
Hello,
I set up an activity to do this. However it really slows down safari when I go 
to the Amazon site. It also keeps saying loading over and over again for 30 
seconds or more.

Greg Wocher


> On Dec 13, 2019, at 4:55 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> As Johnathan suggested.  You can set up an Activity to have Amazon's web 
> address behave in a specific manner with VO.  Using the suggestion I gave of 
> having the Mouse Pointer ignore the VO Cursor instead of attempting to work 
> with Java.  Amazon also has a link on their front page that reads something 
> to the effect of "Amazon has updated its screen reader friendly version of 
> our site.  Click on this link to access it."
> 
> Although, if you'd like to create the activity to do what I've suggested, do 
> the following:
> 
> • open the VO Utility
> • cmd-0, or select Activities from the categories table.
> • press the Add an Activity button.
> • give it a name
> • stop interacting with the table and expand the "Additional Setting to 
> Include" item.
> • check the Navigation checkbox.
> • press the "Set Navigation" button.
> • make sure that the Mouse Pointer ignores the VO Cursor and close this 
> dialog.
> • navigate to the Apps & Web-sites menu item and add www.amazon.com 
> .
> • close everything and you should be good.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> 
> On Dec 13, 2019, at 14:39, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> this happens to me all the time and it's really frustrating. "close" doesn't 
> seem to do anything. sometimes I can go down past that stuff and slowly move 
> up to read about it. I'd like to disable java script for Amazon. can somebody 
> please coach me on this?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
>> On Dec 13, 2019, at 11:52 AM, Dave Carlson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Okay, frustrated enough to ask for help.
>> 
>> I use amazon.com  (and this happens with m.amazon.com 
>> , also) to shop for stuff. I do a search for an item, 
>> find a list of suggestions.
>> I click on a suggestion.
>> I tab or use single-letter nav to jump to headings to try and find a 
>> description of the item.
>> Invariably I get sucked into a page or sub-page or window where all I can 
>> get are the rating percentages and a close button.
>> I click on the close button and the same darn stuff pops up again.
>> 
>> I get dragged into this swamp even if I try to navigate with VO+right/left 
>> arrows. Once I get stuck, I can’t get out. I feel like Brer Rabbit and the 
>> tar-baby in the Uncle Remus story.
>> 
>> Help, I’m stuck and can’t get out.
>> 
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
>> 
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Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

2019-12-13 Thread Dave Carlson 
Tim,
Thanks! That did it. I think there are a couple other web sites with this quirk 
that I’ll try now, that it’s disconnected.


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RE: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

2019-12-13 Thread Simon A Fogarty 
I took it that was the way amazon wanted their site to be.

 Even their accessibility features still give the pages on their site 
truckloads of extra bloatware crap.


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Eric Oyen
Sent: Saturday, 14 December 2019 11:52 AM
To: [MacVisionaries] 
Subject: Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

This happens to me as well. It’s been an ongoing issue with amazon for at least 
3 years. A few other blind people have even made screen capture videos on 
YouTube (among other platforms) and amazon doesn’t appear to be responsive.

Still, if enough people send mail to the Amazon CEO via email ( j...@amazon.com 
) then attention might get paid to the problem.

-Eric


> On Dec 13, 2019, at 10:52 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Okay, frustrated enough to ask for help.
> 
> I use amazon.com (and this happens with m.amazon.com, also) to shop for 
> stuff. I do a search for an item, find a list of suggestions.
> I click on a suggestion.
> I tab or use single-letter nav to jump to headings to try and find a 
> description of the item.
> Invariably I get sucked into a page or sub-page or window where all I can get 
> are the rating percentages and a close button.
> I click on the close button and the same darn stuff pops up again.
> 
> I get dragged into this swamp even if I try to navigate with VO+right/left 
> arrows. Once I get stuck, I can’t get out. I feel like Brer Rabbit and the 
> tar-baby in the Uncle Remus story.
> 
> Help, I’m stuck and can’t get out.
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
> 
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Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

2019-12-13 Thread Eric Oyen 
This happens to me as well. It’s been an ongoing issue with amazon for at least 
3 years. A few other blind people have even made screen capture videos on 
YouTube (among other platforms) and amazon doesn’t appear to be responsive.

Still, if enough people send mail to the Amazon CEO via email ( j...@amazon.com 
) then attention might get paid to the problem.

-Eric


> On Dec 13, 2019, at 10:52 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Okay, frustrated enough to ask for help.
> 
> I use amazon.com (and this happens with m.amazon.com, also) to shop for 
> stuff. I do a search for an item, find a list of suggestions.
> I click on a suggestion.
> I tab or use single-letter nav to jump to headings to try and find a 
> description of the item.
> Invariably I get sucked into a page or sub-page or window where all I can get 
> are the rating percentages and a close button.
> I click on the close button and the same darn stuff pops up again.
> 
> I get dragged into this swamp even if I try to navigate with VO+right/left 
> arrows. Once I get stuck, I can’t get out. I feel like Brer Rabbit and the 
> tar-baby in the Uncle Remus story.
> 
> Help, I’m stuck and can’t get out.
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
> 
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Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

2019-12-13 Thread Lorie McCloud 
how do you enable the developer menu in Safari? 

lately I haven't even been able to use the moving by headings to get around 
those annoying popups.

Lorie

> On Dec 13, 2019, at 12:26 PM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> One work around is to enable the developer menu in Safari. Once this is done 
> you can disable javascript from within the developer menu. However once this 
> is done you will not be able to select things like color or other options for 
> items that include these. To do that you will have to turn javascript back 
> on. Another way around this is to move by headings and move to the one right 
> past the items name. You can then move up to get some of the item details. 
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On Dec 13, 2019, at 1:16 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Dave,
>> Same thing here!
>> Even with what I think is the special Amazon accessibility link!
>> Need a work around!
>> Chuck
>> "God does not play dice with the universe"
>> "Albert Einstein’
>> 
>> On Dec 13, 2019, at 12:52 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
>> 
>>> Okay, frustrated enough to ask for help.
>>> 
>>> I use amazon.com (and this happens with m.amazon.com, also) to shop for 
>>> stuff. I do a search for an item, find a list of suggestions.
>>> I click on a suggestion.
>>> I tab or use single-letter nav to jump to headings to try and find a 
>>> description of the item.
>>> Invariably I get sucked into a page or sub-page or window where all I can 
>>> get are the rating percentages and a close button.
>>> I click on the close button and the same darn stuff pops up again.
>>> 
>>> I get dragged into this swamp even if I try to navigate with VO+right/left 
>>> arrows. Once I get stuck, I can’t get out. I feel like Brer Rabbit and the 
>>> tar-baby in the Uncle Remus story.
>>> 
>>> Help, I’m stuck and can’t get out.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

2019-12-13 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Hi,

As Johnathan suggested.  You can set up an Activity to have Amazon's web 
address behave in a specific manner with VO.  Using the suggestion I gave of 
having the Mouse Pointer ignore the VO Cursor instead of attempting to work 
with Java.  Amazon also has a link on their front page that reads something to 
the effect of "Amazon has updated its screen reader friendly version of our 
site.  Click on this link to access it."

Although, if you'd like to create the activity to do what I've suggested, do 
the following:

• open the VO Utility
• cmd-0, or select Activities from the categories table.
• press the Add an Activity button.
• give it a name
• stop interacting with the table and expand the "Additional Setting to 
Include" item.
• check the Navigation checkbox.
• press the "Set Navigation" button.
• make sure that the Mouse Pointer ignores the VO Cursor and close this dialog.
• navigate to the Apps & Web-sites menu item and add www.amazon.com 
.
• close everything and you should be good.

HTH.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 13, 2019, at 14:39, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

this happens to me all the time and it's really frustrating. "close" doesn't 
seem to do anything. sometimes I can go down past that stuff and slowly move up 
to read about it. I'd like to disable java script for Amazon. can somebody 
please coach me on this?

thanks.
Lorie

> On Dec 13, 2019, at 11:52 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Okay, frustrated enough to ask for help.
> 
> I use amazon.com (and this happens with m.amazon.com, also) to shop for 
> stuff. I do a search for an item, find a list of suggestions.
> I click on a suggestion.
> I tab or use single-letter nav to jump to headings to try and find a 
> description of the item.
> Invariably I get sucked into a page or sub-page or window where all I can get 
> are the rating percentages and a close button.
> I click on the close button and the same darn stuff pops up again.
> 
> I get dragged into this swamp even if I try to navigate with VO+right/left 
> arrows. Once I get stuck, I can’t get out. I feel like Brer Rabbit and the 
> tar-baby in the Uncle Remus story.
> 
> Help, I’m stuck and can’t get out.
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
> 
> 
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Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

2019-12-13 Thread Lorie McCloud 
this happens to me all the time and it's really frustrating. "close" doesn't 
seem to do anything. sometimes I can go down past that stuff and slowly move up 
to read about it. I'd like to disable java script for Amazon. can somebody 
please coach me on this?

thanks.
Lorie

> On Dec 13, 2019, at 11:52 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Okay, frustrated enough to ask for help.
> 
> I use amazon.com (and this happens with m.amazon.com, also) to shop for 
> stuff. I do a search for an item, find a list of suggestions.
> I click on a suggestion.
> I tab or use single-letter nav to jump to headings to try and find a 
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> 
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Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

2019-12-13 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Hi Jonathan,

As far as I can tell, yes.  Like you, I haven't tested it a lot, but by all 
accounts it seems to have that ability.

Later...


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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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On Dec 13, 2019, at 11:44, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

Tim,
Can one set up a VoiceOver activity for the sites like Amazon, Slack, facebook 
where Voiceover keeping Mouse, Focus and VO cursor synchronized is a problem? I 
know one web site can  be listed in an activity, but I haven’t really 
experimented with this much. 
Jonathan


> On Dec 13, 2019, at 1:22 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yeah, Amazon is a pain that way.  I was having similar frustrations.  Kicking 
> things didn't help.  Go into VO Utility,, press cmd-4 to go directly to the 
> Navigation category, the drop-down that relates to the Mouse Pointer, set it 
> to Ignores VO Cursor.  That's not the way I prefer it, but it's what you need 
> to do on Amazon and a few other sites.  What's happening is that a new dialog 
> is popping up on hover.  Every time that the mouse pointer is sitting on that 
> spot, the hover object opens.  Changing it to Ignores fixes that.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 13, 2019, at 10:52, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
> 
> Okay, frustrated enough to ask for help.
> 
> I use amazon.com  (and this happens with m.amazon.com 
> , also) to shop for stuff. I do a search for an item, 
> find a list of suggestions.
> I click on a suggestion.
> I tab or use single-letter nav to jump to headings to try and find a 
> description of the item.
> Invariably I get sucked into a page or sub-page or window where all I can get 
> are the rating percentages and a close button.
> I click on the close button and the same darn stuff pops up again.
> 
> I get dragged into this swamp even if I try to navigate with VO+right/left 
> arrows. Once I get stuck, I can’t get out. I feel like Brer Rabbit and the 
> tar-baby in the Uncle Remus story.
> 
> Help, I’m stuck and can’t get out.
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
> 
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Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

2019-12-13 Thread Jonathan Cohn 
Tim,
Can one set up a VoiceOver activity for the sites like Amazon, Slack, facebook 
where Voiceover keeping Mouse, Focus and VO cursor synchronized is a problem? I 
know one web site can  be listed in an activity, but I haven’t really 
experimented with this much. 
Jonathan


> On Dec 13, 2019, at 1:22 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yeah, Amazon is a pain that way.  I was having similar frustrations.  Kicking 
> things didn't help.  Go into VO Utility,, press cmd-4 to go directly to the 
> Navigation category, the drop-down that relates to the Mouse Pointer, set it 
> to Ignores VO Cursor.  That's not the way I prefer it, but it's what you need 
> to do on Amazon and a few other sites.  What's happening is that a new dialog 
> is popping up on hover.  Every time that the mouse pointer is sitting on that 
> spot, the hover object opens.  Changing it to Ignores fixes that.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 13, 2019, at 10:52, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
> 
> Okay, frustrated enough to ask for help.
> 
> I use amazon.com  (and this happens with m.amazon.com 
> , also) to shop for stuff. I do a search for an item, 
> find a list of suggestions.
> I click on a suggestion.
> I tab or use single-letter nav to jump to headings to try and find a 
> description of the item.
> Invariably I get sucked into a page or sub-page or window where all I can get 
> are the rating percentages and a close button.
> I click on the close button and the same darn stuff pops up again.
> 
> I get dragged into this swamp even if I try to navigate with VO+right/left 
> arrows. Once I get stuck, I can’t get out. I feel like Brer Rabbit and the 
> tar-baby in the Uncle Remus story.
> 
> Help, I’m stuck and can’t get out.
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
> 
> 
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Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

2019-12-13 Thread Greg Wocher 
Hello,
One work around is to enable the developer menu in Safari. Once this is done 
you can disable javascript from within the developer menu. However once this is 
done you will not be able to select things like color or other options for 
items that include these. To do that you will have to turn javascript back on. 
Another way around this is to move by headings and move to the one right past 
the items name. You can then move up to get some of the item details. 

Greg Wocher


> On Dec 13, 2019, at 1:16 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dave,
> Same thing here!
> Even with what I think is the special Amazon accessibility link!
> Need a work around!
> Chuck
> "God does not play dice with the universe"
> "Albert Einstein’
> 
> On Dec 13, 2019, at 12:52 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
> 
>> Okay, frustrated enough to ask for help.
>> 
>> I use amazon.com (and this happens with m.amazon.com, also) to shop for 
>> stuff. I do a search for an item, find a list of suggestions.
>> I click on a suggestion.
>> I tab or use single-letter nav to jump to headings to try and find a 
>> description of the item.
>> Invariably I get sucked into a page or sub-page or window where all I can 
>> get are the rating percentages and a close button.
>> I click on the close button and the same darn stuff pops up again.
>> 
>> I get dragged into this swamp even if I try to navigate with VO+right/left 
>> arrows. Once I get stuck, I can’t get out. I feel like Brer Rabbit and the 
>> tar-baby in the Uncle Remus story.
>> 
>> Help, I’m stuck and can’t get out.
>> 
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
>> 
>> 
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Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

2019-12-13 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Hi,

Yeah, Amazon is a pain that way.  I was having similar frustrations.  Kicking 
things didn't help.  Go into VO Utility,, press cmd-4 to go directly to the 
Navigation category, the drop-down that relates to the Mouse Pointer, set it to 
Ignores VO Cursor.  That's not the way I prefer it, but it's what you need to 
do on Amazon and a few other sites.  What's happening is that a new dialog is 
popping up on hover.  Every time that the mouse pointer is sitting on that 
spot, the hover object opens.  Changing it to Ignores fixes that.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Dec 13, 2019, at 10:52, Dave Carlson  wrote:

Okay, frustrated enough to ask for help.

I use amazon.com (and this happens with m.amazon.com, also) to shop for stuff. 
I do a search for an item, find a list of suggestions.
I click on a suggestion.
I tab or use single-letter nav to jump to headings to try and find a 
description of the item.
Invariably I get sucked into a page or sub-page or window where all I can get 
are the rating percentages and a close button.
I click on the close button and the same darn stuff pops up again.

I get dragged into this swamp even if I try to navigate with VO+right/left 
arrows. Once I get stuck, I can’t get out. I feel like Brer Rabbit and the 
tar-baby in the Uncle Remus story.

Help, I’m stuck and can’t get out.


Dave Carlson
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Re: Getting Stuck in Customer Reviews: Amazon.com

2019-12-13 Thread CHUCK REICHEL 
Hi Dave,
Same thing here!
Even with what I think is the special Amazon accessibility link!
Need a work around!
Chuck
"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’

On Dec 13, 2019, at 12:52 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:

> Okay, frustrated enough to ask for help.
> 
> I use amazon.com (and this happens with m.amazon.com, also) to shop for 
> stuff. I do a search for an item, find a list of suggestions.
> I click on a suggestion.
> I tab or use single-letter nav to jump to headings to try and find a 
> description of the item.
> Invariably I get sucked into a page or sub-page or window where all I can get 
> are the rating percentages and a close button.
> I click on the close button and the same darn stuff pops up again.
> 
> I get dragged into this swamp even if I try to navigate with VO+right/left 
> arrows. Once I get stuck, I can’t get out. I feel like Brer Rabbit and the 
> tar-baby in the Uncle Remus story.
> 
> Help, I’m stuck and can’t get out.
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
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